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Welcome back, Katie! RHOC Recap with Alexis Bellino · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
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  Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
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  Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey
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  Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and
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  Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the
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  Speaker 1: Real Housewives franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in
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  Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
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  Speaker 1: scripted as well.
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  Speaker 2: Hey Rain dropped on today's episode of Reality with the King. Listen,
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  Speaker 2: I am here with a new person because her last
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  Speaker 2: name has avisually changed, So give it up for me.
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  Speaker 3: Alexis Ballino, Jason. I'm not gonna say, are you keeping
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  Speaker 3: ball What are we doing here?
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  Speaker 4: Well, Hi, everybody, So, I'm I'm wearing a little this
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  Speaker 4: is this is the party. Favorite's funny that they did
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  Speaker 4: custom hats on that on this this this episode, because
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  Speaker 4: this is what all of my guests got to leave
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  Speaker 4: the wedding a custom cowboy hat.
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  Speaker 5: Look at that from the Rancher Hat company.
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  Speaker 4: In that cute Yeah, because we were doing a whimsical
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  Speaker 4: rustic wedding, so whimsical rustic cowboy is perfect for that
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  Speaker 4: but so with the name we are.
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  Speaker 5: I am legally Alexis Jansen, but for work.
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  Speaker 4: For right now, we're trying to like, Yeah, it's gonna
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  Speaker 4: be hard because it's like people won't know Alexis Janson.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I'm known for Blino. So we'll it will
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  Speaker 4: we'll face it in kind of like tamer did. I
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  Speaker 4: think Tamara took a year or.
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  Speaker 5: So to do it, So we'll see how We'll see
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  Speaker 5: how fully.
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  Speaker 2: Because because obviously Tamra's professional name, I think for the
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  Speaker 2: rest of our career will be Tamar Judge.
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  Speaker 3: But legally it's it's one an Eddie last name.
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  Speaker 4: No, it's je No, Tamar when she married Eddie was
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  Speaker 4: Tamarra Barney and had been that for ten or twelve
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  Speaker 4: years however long she'd been married to Simon and then
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  Speaker 4: and then she you know, married Eddie Judge and it
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  Speaker 4: took it took her time. She didn't do it right away.
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  Speaker 4: I think she's told me a year or more a
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  Speaker 4: little more. So we're just we're gonna slow roll it
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  Speaker 4: in eventually.
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  Speaker 3: Well look, but it works. Yeah, but.
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  Speaker 5: Alexis Jansen sounds good together.
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  Speaker 2: No, I think so too, And I would say I
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  Speaker 2: really thought Tama just has been her name since she
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  Speaker 2: got on the on the freaking show.
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  Speaker 3: So there you go, honey.
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  Speaker 2: It does work when you change it, and you when.
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  Speaker 4: I first started filming with her, she was Tama Barney
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  Speaker 4: for the first three years or yeah, because then on
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  Speaker 4: your four she married Eddie.
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  Speaker 5: I went to the wedding or no, it was a year.
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  Speaker 4: I don't remember, but anyways, I went to the wedding
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  Speaker 4: and then she was still Tama Barney for a little
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  Speaker 4: bit longer. And I've asked her before. I think she
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  Speaker 4: said a year, so we'll see.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, and I know how was the.
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  Speaker 5: Wed the birthday weekend?
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  Speaker 3: Real quick?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? The birthday was amazing. I was in Cabo. We
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  Speaker 2: had a great time. I had so much fun. It
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  Speaker 2: was great, like absolutely zero complaints, like whatsoever, Right, this
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  Speaker 2: is my tradition, is what I do. So we had
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  Speaker 2: a really, really good time. It was nice just to
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  Speaker 2: be off the grid. So brain drops, thanks for hanging
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  Speaker 2: in there, because they're like, where's.
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  Speaker 3: Your episode of oh see?
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  Speaker 2: And I recorded it later I'm like, there's no Alexis
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  Speaker 2: and I'm bored. But you know, listen, I could keep
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  Speaker 2: my own some company. But it's better when I have
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  Speaker 2: you with me. So I'm happy that we are back
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  Speaker 2: in your wedding. Oh my gosh, the pictures from People magazine,
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  Speaker 2: your Instagram page as well, it looks so beautiful and
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  Speaker 2: the best part about it to me, just to be
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  Speaker 2: honest with you, it looked very intimate, like it like
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  Speaker 2: it was only for the people that you guys wanted there.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we started at eighty but that was barely
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  Speaker 4: like family and first group of friends, and then we
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  Speaker 4: got up to one hundred and fifty and that was
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  Speaker 4: way more than we actually wanted, but it was still intimate,
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  Speaker 4: and we did we did want something rustic. My last
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  Speaker 4: wedding was black tie every you know, tuxedos, everything black.
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  Speaker 4: So this wedding I asked for no black. I wanted
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  Speaker 4: things that matched the canyon and the drop.
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  Speaker 5: Setting that we had.
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  Speaker 4: We had done the wedding end and then we had
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  Speaker 4: instead of rows of seating, we did a circle of love,
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  Speaker 4: so everybody was in a circle around all the guests
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  Speaker 4: were in a circle.
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  Speaker 5: Around John and I.
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  Speaker 4: So that was a whole new concept and my wedding
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  Speaker 4: planner was not nervous about it at all, although we
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  Speaker 4: were because we were like, is this even possible?
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  Speaker 5: Is it going to work out? Okay?
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  Speaker 4: Can everybody still see us? And it won all it was.
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  Speaker 4: It was beautiful, It is amazing, so.
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  Speaker 3: Good, good, good, So listen.
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  Speaker 2: I want to ask you this before we get into
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  Speaker 2: recapping the latest episode of The Real House Wash of
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  Speaker 2: Orange County. I'm not sure if you've seen this or not,
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  Speaker 2: but heaf of the bro was on Wash What Happens
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  Speaker 2: Live last night and a fan did ask her if
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  Speaker 2: she attended your wedding. She said that she was invited,
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  Speaker 2: but that it was parents weekend and that although she's
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  Speaker 2: close to you, she is close to Shannon, and that
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  Speaker 2: she did a little bit weird, but she said, you know,
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  Speaker 2: she wished to do the best.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I saw it, and I'm a little perplexed by it.
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  Speaker 4: I haven't I haven't texted her or reached out yet.
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  Speaker 5: But it's funny.
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  Speaker 3: Because I.
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  Speaker 4: Don't understand it because we've gone to dinner with them
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  Speaker 4: several times, and I guess maybe it's a work friendship
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  Speaker 4: that I didn't think it.
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  Speaker 5: I thought we had a deeper friendship than that.
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  Speaker 4: But it's it's a kind of an awkward answer that
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  Speaker 4: she gave, and it sounded like, you know, like a
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  Speaker 4: couple of watch what happened live ago when she was
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  Speaker 4: trying to get me on the show. She said, well,
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  Speaker 4: I talked to Alexis more than I talked to Shannon,
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  Speaker 4: and now all of a sudden, yeah, she's filming with
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  Speaker 4: Shannon and I'm not filming. But we still just texted
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  Speaker 4: a couple of days ago and even a couple of
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  Speaker 4: days before that, and then she wished me well on
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  Speaker 4: my wedding day or after right after. I mean, it's like, so,
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  Speaker 4: I don't I know, we're both really busy. I was
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  Speaker 4: very perplexed by it, Carlos, to be honest, and I'm
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  Speaker 4: still I'm still kind of thrown off because I just
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  Speaker 4: heard it, you know what, ten hours ago last night
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  Speaker 4: after hed So yeah, I don't know. I have to
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  Speaker 4: get to the bottom of that. But yeah, it's awkward
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  Speaker 4: and weird. And she was very excited when she was
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  Speaker 4: knowing that she was, you know, when she found out
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  Speaker 4: we were get engaged. I even have to ask her
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  Speaker 4: to sing. I was like, do you want to sing
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  Speaker 4: at my wedding too? And she was like, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 4: I was too stressful at Tamra's wedding. I don't want
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  Speaker 4: to do it again, and so you know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I'm thrown off a little.
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  Speaker 3: So no, I could tell.
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  Speaker 2: I could tell no, Lessen, You're always honest, and I
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  Speaker 2: could tell and Listen, I will.
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  Speaker 3: Say this because we've been doing this. Oh my gosh, Pa,
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  Speaker 3: how many.
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  Speaker 2: Months now, and even last year when I was talking
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  Speaker 2: to you about the show, and again, based on our
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  Speaker 2: conversations a year ago, up until right now, it always
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  Speaker 2: appeared that listen, you, her and Tamra seemed to be
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  Speaker 2: the closest of the cast, and even even after the reunion,
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  Speaker 2: you were honest about my listen, me having Tamra had
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  Speaker 2: a conversation. I don't like things that I saw, but
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  Speaker 2: we were able to work through it. And I've seen
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  Speaker 2: pictures of you guys together since then. I've seen double
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  Speaker 2: dates since then. When she described your relationship that appeared
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  Speaker 2: to be a working friendship, I'll say this much. I
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  Speaker 2: had no idea and I watched the show colored me
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  Speaker 2: surprised that Heather's close to Shannon.
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  Speaker 3: I as a viewer, I was like.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't know that you and Shannon were close.
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  Speaker 2: I know that heathern and Tamar are close, and they've
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  Speaker 2: they've had their issues in the last episode, but I
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  Speaker 2: was surprised.
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to make sure to ask you because I
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  Speaker 3: don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I felt icky about it when I when I saw
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  Speaker 2: the response to me, felt very cold and very dry
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  Speaker 2: and listen, I'm not saying that, you know, you forego
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  Speaker 2: your parents weekend for your kids' kids come first, But
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  Speaker 2: I did feel that the response after that was weird.
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  Speaker 2: The parents think, okay, fine, the response after that when
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  Speaker 2: she said she was closer to Shannon, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I found that out today and I was.
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  Speaker 4: I had the exact same knee jerk reaction you just said.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, when I was watching it, I was like, huh,
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  Speaker 4: Like it was like the I mean, it was so
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  Speaker 4: it was just it did feel icky, but it also
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  Speaker 4: felt like calculated and weird, Like I don't know, there
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  Speaker 4: was something weird about it, Like the whole thing is
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  Speaker 4: like it's like that's it didn't even sound like how
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  Speaker 4: they're really like, like, that's not how howther and I
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  Speaker 4: talk on the phone.
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  Speaker 5: So, so did something happen that I don't know about.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, we do have a couple episodes left to
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  Speaker 4: see on the show still I mean like, I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and that's probably when I'm in a text her,
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna be like.
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  Speaker 5: Weird, ears up, like what what was that about? Like
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  Speaker 5: what that doesn't sound like you?
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  Speaker 4: And it doesn't sound like how we've talked on the
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  Speaker 4: phone and the friendship that we have. I mean, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I haven't seen you in quite a few months, but
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  Speaker 4: I'm planning a wedding and you're off traveling to four
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  Speaker 4: different schools for your kids and filming a TV show.
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  Speaker 4: I get it, but it's like the whole thing was
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  Speaker 4: just bizarre. So I'll stay tuned. I'll try to get
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  Speaker 4: to the bottom of it. But yeah, change and reality
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  Speaker 4: TV does do weird things to you.
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  Speaker 5: And so if the alliance has to shift and she
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  Speaker 5: has to.
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  Speaker 4: Go all the way that way, then you know whatever
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  Speaker 4: I mean then that we really weren't friends to begin with.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm trust you me, I've got plenty of people
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  Speaker 4: that are real and true and those are the people
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  Speaker 4: I want around. So at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 4: whatever happens was meant to be. So that's how I
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  Speaker 4: look at it.
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  Speaker 3: That's it.
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  Speaker 2: And listen, at the end of the day, you married
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  Speaker 2: the love of your life and that is the concentration
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  Speaker 2: that you should be feeling anyway. And I just want
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  Speaker 2: to say this as your friend, I'm so happy for you.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I always tell people love does come around
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  Speaker 2: a second time for people who really had to just
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  Speaker 2: remind themselves that, look, this may not have worked out,
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  Speaker 2: but it doesn't means the end of me finding love.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm happy for you.
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  Speaker 2: You are such a good girl, and I in the
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  Speaker 2: smiles that I saw in the pictures and not only
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  Speaker 2: from you, and job with the kids, and that's all
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  Speaker 2: that matter, that's.
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  Speaker 3: All that mat earth And congratulations.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 4: No, I think the number one key to finding love
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  Speaker 4: a second time around is number one. You can't stay
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  Speaker 4: bitter about the past and about what has happened. They're
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  Speaker 4: transpired in other relationships and you can't bring your baggage
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  Speaker 4: to the next relationship.
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  Speaker 5: But you have to be open minded. And you know,
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  Speaker 5: I'm shocked.
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  Speaker 4: And it came when John and I were both broken
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  Speaker 4: and not thinking we were going to ever find love
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  Speaker 4: like that, and there it was. It's like God has
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  Speaker 4: his own plan. So hang in there, everybody looking for
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  Speaker 4: that second time around or.
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  Speaker 3: Third Yeah, there you go. There you got to go,
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  Speaker 3: so listen. Speaking up.
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  Speaker 2: This second time around, we have Gretchen and Emily meeting
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  Speaker 2: up again after last week's episode where we saw that
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  Speaker 2: Emily told Tamera, look, I'm gonna be honest with you.
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  Speaker 2: We had a conversation about the person we trust the
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  Speaker 2: least and me and Heather said it was you. And
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  Speaker 2: we didn't recap last week's episode obviously, but I will
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  Speaker 2: say this, I and I get in so much trouble
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  Speaker 2: for just being honest, but I just have to do
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  Speaker 2: my job. I was even shocked when Heather told Tamra,
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  Speaker 2: I do trust you the least, and I do feel
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  Speaker 2: like you know, you may say things about me. We're
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  Speaker 2: now on the same page, and I just thought like Tamra,
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  Speaker 2: in my opinion, has only defended herself for people that
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  Speaker 2: she has beep with, and it as a way to
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  Speaker 2: defend herself. So anyways, in this episode, Gretchen meets with.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: Emily meets with Gretchen to talk to her about what
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  Speaker 2: happened at Tamar's house and to also stay back look.
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  Speaker 2: Tamar wants to meet with Katie to get down to
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  Speaker 2: the bottom of it, and Emily was not happy about it,
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  Speaker 2: and Gretchen seemed to be pissed.
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  Speaker 3: I meet really knew this, and I said this.
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  Speaker 2: Last week Alexis, Katie knows information that Gretchen does not
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  Speaker 2: want to come out.
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  Speaker 3: And now now rain drops, I will say this.
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  Speaker 2: I now am on Katie's side because it's obvious that
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  Speaker 2: Slade and Gretchen purposefully I stout Katie.
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  Speaker 3: Because she knew the truth.
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  Speaker 2: She knew the truth, and that's why Gretchen and Jen,
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  Speaker 2: who I think is still innocent in all of this,
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  Speaker 2: worked together to foot of Like I saw, Katie, what
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  Speaker 2: do you think?
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  Speaker 4: Well, the funny thing is is that you know, you
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  Speaker 4: think that the truth would always be what the girls
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  Speaker 4: want to hear. But in season eighteen, which I was
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  Speaker 4: the friend of, they had all the truth right laid
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  Speaker 4: out right in front of them. I had the evidence,
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  Speaker 4: I had the proof, the attorneys had the proof. We
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  Speaker 4: had the paperwork showing that John Pays were more than
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  Speaker 4: the other girl, the the other person. But it's like,
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  Speaker 4: it's like the girls don't really care about the truth,
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  Speaker 4: is what I'm finding out now watching season nineteen two.
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  Speaker 4: What they care about is doing what either the storyline
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  Speaker 4: is supposed to be doing. Or they they want to
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  Speaker 4: ice someone out for whatever personal reason they have on
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  Speaker 4: that person, they don't want to really listen to the truth.
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  Speaker 5: So that's another ick factor.
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  Speaker 4: Carlos, maybe we need to say this episode is called
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  Speaker 4: the Ick, But like, you know, I don't know, it
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  Speaker 4: just feels it feels off to me. It feels like,
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  Speaker 4: how can people not see the truth?
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  Speaker 5: I don't.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I can see it watching it as a second,
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  Speaker 4: you know, sitting back being objective to the show, not
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  Speaker 4: being like I used to be on a TV show,
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  Speaker 4: but like just being.
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  Speaker 5: Objective about it. It's like wow.
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  Speaker 4: But I feel they don't care about the truth and
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  Speaker 4: they just they do want to ice Katie out. And
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  Speaker 4: I think that, Yeah, maybe the girls are rallying around
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  Speaker 4: Gretchen for whatever reason, but I think deep down the
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  Speaker 4: girls know that that what was said that night at
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  Speaker 4: Mastros or whatever restaurant they were at with Katie, that
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  Speaker 4: it Katie is telling the truth. I do believe deep
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  Speaker 4: down the women think that Katie's telling the truth on
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  Speaker 4: this one.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I think so too. And I think so too.
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  Speaker 2: And look, I think what I've always said for years
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  Speaker 2: from this podcast that always sort of like made social
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  Speaker 2: media upset, I don't only give a shit. Was the
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  Speaker 2: fact that these shows are built on alliances, and we
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  Speaker 2: just talked about that earlier. It is so obvious that
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  Speaker 2: what feels icky and disjointed election that you're feeling. And
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  Speaker 2: that's the reason why I'm so happy to be having
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  Speaker 2: this conversation with you, because you were a part of
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  Speaker 2: that show. You know these women, and you know that
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  Speaker 2: world of being a reality star. Even you can can
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  Speaker 2: tell that things feel icky, and the ickness is the
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  Speaker 2: fact that it's selective. Outrage is not a situation of look,
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  Speaker 2: this is black or white, this is this is obviously
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  Speaker 2: an attempt to take someone down despite my life for them.
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  Speaker 3: It is what it is.
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  Speaker 2: And I think when it comes to Katie, the reason
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  Speaker 2: why Emily has a heart on for her is because
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  Speaker 2: and listen, I said this from day one.
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  Speaker 3: I one thousand and ten percent.
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  Speaker 2: Believe that Emily was talking shit about Heather around her
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  Speaker 2: kids and the nanny. Like I believe it because guess
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  Speaker 2: what it happens sometimes I think parents sometimes forget that
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  Speaker 2: the kids already their earshot.
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  Speaker 3: And you say shit over the phone. I don't think she.
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  Speaker 2: Said it to the kids, Like guess what that woman
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  Speaker 2: Heather's is of whatever. I think she was having a
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  Speaker 2: free conversation and the kids overheard it, and that's okay.
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  Speaker 2: And I think they iced out Katie because they just
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  Speaker 2: don't want the truth to be revealed, which is why
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was so funny that Gretchen called Emily
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  Speaker 2: a popstorer and she got offended and she left, And
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  Speaker 2: it's sort of.
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  Speaker 3: Like Emily your potstorer.
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  Speaker 4: Like you actually watched Are seven seasons over again a
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: few seasons ago and keep seeing how much of the.
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: Stirring is going on exactly. You have a pot line
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: at Williams Sonoma. You are a podstarer.
• 16:17
  Speaker 6: You know what.
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: I respect people who just go, yeah, I am like
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: when people say you're kind of dizzy.
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I graduated with like.
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: A four something from Bachelors of Marketing, But yeah I
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: am dizzy sometimes. Okay, so I got a brain. But
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: I'll own it and I'll laugh about it. It's like
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: you could own it and not like get offended. If
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: you get offended, you know what it means. It's true
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: if you don't get offended and you go, I am
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: not a potst or whatever. If you think that woul are,
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: then you're not it's not true, you know what I mean,
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: it's like your reaction. So the reactions tell it all
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: for me. Like you know, people call me ditzy. I
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: don't go I am not diffyt and walk off, you know,
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, I say funny things sometimes and I'm.
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: Like, wait, did I say that really? And I didn't
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: mean that.
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: You know, my brain was going faster than my I mean,
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: my mouth is going faster than my brain, And I like.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: No, But I think that's that's what's so charming about you,
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: sort of like just all who you are. I like
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: the fact that you know camera's sort of like, look,
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: I was I was a big a bit in that moment.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: I was angry or or yes, in this moment, that's
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: who I am.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: I like it when the women are able to say
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: just that.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: And I think Emily has the only fact that listen,
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: you are poster but you're also as reality star doing
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: your job, and I'm I'm not upset with it. I'm
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: only upset with Alexis and I can both see that
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: you ladies aren't being normal because you're trying to ice
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: out somebody and you're trying to build upon an alliance
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: based on your likeness of somebody, not even a friendship,
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: it's the likeness.
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: I think what they're doing right now is they know
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: that season twenty is a big season, and there's been
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: rumors that there's going to be a huge recast.
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: Okay, I think what the.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: Women are doing is figuring out exactly who they want
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: to work with next year, and they're trying to build
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: that cast on their own by saying, Okay, I'm gonna
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: ice this person out because we don't want her. I'm
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: going to ice this person out because we don't want her,
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: and we're all going to act like we're friends. By
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: the way, none of.
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: Them are really friends.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: Can you see it?
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: It's like every last episode we didn't get to recap
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: on college that would have been thirteen, it's fourteen now
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: last episode. In this episode, it is so clear as
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: day that there is so much strife and just like
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: none of them really really have a friendship. They're just
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: really there to do a job. And the problem with
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: that is you can't just have a TV cast only.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: There has to be some genuine true friendships in the
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: cast to also then bring in some of just the
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: TV friendships you don't have to be good friends with
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: all of them. But the best time the TV show
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: looks and works good, in my opinion, is when there
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: are a couple that are you know, are true die
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: hard friends.
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: And they still get in the tips and do that.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: But I meant, watching the last two episodes, I'm like,
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: there is I just know. It's like it's so much fighting,
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: it's so much combative and so much Oh, let's act
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: like we're friends now, even though I'm mad at you
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: about this and I don't know. It just seems like
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: there's no real glue or gel to any of it.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: But that's why I think the women are trying to
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: behind the scenes, yeah, and behind production kind of like, go,
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: this is who we want to film with next season.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: So here's here's what we're laying it out for you.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: Here's what we're gonna do, and we're gonna fake everything else.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: I saw people that don't even need to be iced
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: out and do have some truth being told because this
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: is what we want our cast to look like.
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: That's what I feel.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: I have AHA moment, and you don't have to say anything.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: This is my opinion. Based on what you just said,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: I now understand why Heather said what she said and
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: watch What Happens Live about her and Shanna being closed.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I actually agree with everything you said about these women
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: are trying to make it appear that I'm friends with
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: this per so that we all can go together for
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: season twenty, because season twenty is such an important season
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: that news flash, rain drops.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna save this to you now.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: This is not me having insider information, it's just me
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: being a producer.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: You will not see the same cast next season.
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: Oh just what, Carlos, There's no way I could do
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: this cast next season because, like I just told you
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: watching last episode that we didn't get to talk about,
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: there's no glue.
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: There's no like true friendships.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: There's no And also it's gotten so dark and nasty
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: between so many of them that it's like there's gotta
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: be some kind of you know, like just two or
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: three episodes ago that we were podcasting about together or
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: recapping on, I felt like there was some fun and
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: some some light. You saw some light and not such
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: a dark thing. But I feel like the last two
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: episodes are just like it's just fighting. Even though they
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: sold some charity work and they showed, you know, the
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: girls getting ready at their houses and the dog's psychic
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: was funny and fun and cute, but it's like there's
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: just too much not getting a long list, too much
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: batting and not seeing eye to eye or even like
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: trying to. Like, let's talk about Tamara and Heather. They're
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: not seeing eye to eye at all. And this is
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: what makes me the maddest about the whole thing is
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: Tamar was that last year nineteen when Teddy first got diagnosed,
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: Tamar was so broken. I'm talking like, like, can nobody
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: understand how hurt she was and how hard that is
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: to know that your best friend they didn't have. You know,
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: Teddy's got a better you know, look it's looking better
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: now or whatever.
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: But it's like it's like you don't know what Tamer
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: was going through.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: I think they would if you think you're one of
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: your best friends is really really really really really really
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: sick and possibly fighting for their life. And it's like
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: none of the women gave two shits. Pardon my French,
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: I'm not cussing. I you know, I say that every time,
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: But nobody gave a care about that, And all they
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: did was just to want to still tell tear Tammar down.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: And it's like Tamara has not been that awful to
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: these women, more awful than they've been to everyone else
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: on the show.
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: Every single one of these women.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: If we go back and we recap any of the
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: other up, we could go back Carlowshu and I and
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: we could go, oh remember this scene, would you know
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: when she called Shannon a bad parent and said that
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: the government was going to or was that Shannon Degina whatever.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: But I'm saying, each person, what my point to this was,
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: each cast member, we could go around and say you
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: were not a good person at that point.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: You have been bad, You have been naughty, you have
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: been mean, and you have been dirty. And now it's
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: all going on Tamor's shoulders.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: When Tamara was having the hardest year of her life
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: and nobody gave a crap about it, That's the part
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: that bothers me.
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: And it's not because I'm buddy buddy with Tamara.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, as I'm being an objective viewer, if somebody
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: else had gotten in a car accident, Oh my god,
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: like they wrapped around talk about a car accident.
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: Shannon got a dui, They wrap around her. They sure
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: care about her. But then and that's her.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: Own, you know, on her own, she decided to do
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: that and made that choice.
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: Tama's going through something she has no control over.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: But then they don't want to give her any kind
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: of love or support like organic or true because you know,
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: Heather tried to act like she was, but you could
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: tell that she wasn't really hearing Tamora, and Tamara wasn't
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: really hearing Heather. I mean, I understand where Heather was,
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: like I was trying to explain to you and open up
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: to you about my dad. But Tama is not in
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: a place to go deep with someone right now. Tamora
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: was in a play at that moment. I think Tamor
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: is in a place she needs a hug. Tamar needs
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: somebody just to cry on someone's shoulder, and none of
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: the women gave her that.
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: They just keep coming at her. I don't know.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: I agree with you.
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: I don't know how she did it.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: This is why I know why she quit, because I
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: would be on the other end of the line with
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: her crying or when she's crying about it. I can
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: see why she would want to quit, like there's no
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: support in her darkest hour you know it's horrible.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: No, I agree with you, and listen, I was fucking
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: to Tamar while she was going through the things with
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Teddy because you know me, me, Tamara and Teddy we
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: are friends and even like I think two years ago,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: this is right, but this is really like maybe months
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: before Teddy was diagnosed with having the cancerous tumors, we
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: were going to go on tour, not not not not
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: a tour, but we got a tour stop in the
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: o C. And around that time we were talking. And
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: then after that, you know, you know we don't have
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: with Teddy. But Tama was very emotional, and look, I
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: also think this.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: I agree with you that.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Look, each of those women have had moments where they
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: weren't the best of friends with each other. I told
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Tama to her ears, okay, you were not nice to Shannon,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: and when she was going through it, sorry, and she's like,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: but Carlos.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Then you know she gave her reasons.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: I said, I understand it, but you also have to
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: understand this.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: She is going through something so.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Horrific that it doesn't matter what you may know and experience.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: In this moment.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: What happened was horrific, and I understand why the audience
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: had a reaction. They all jumped on Tama's throw for
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: that at the reunion. I find it quite funny that
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: now Tamra, like you said, she didn't do anything self inflicted.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Her best friend, co host of their hit podcast, has
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: cancer bring to marks in the hospital, and she's she
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: obviously seems a bit off emotionally.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: Tamra does on the show.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Give her some grace for this moment, whether or not
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: the audience thing she deserves it. Whatever, because the audience
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: has selective outrage based on their favorites.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: It is what it is.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: But I just think, at the end of the day,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: this is my opinion. I don't think Heather is friends
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: with anybody on that show. I think Heather's friends are
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: a Beverly Hills and that's that's. That's she The logitective
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: tests confirmed that she wants to be there. She she
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: It is what it is, and that's why I said
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: last week, Tamra and these girls are not your friends.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: I think the only friends on that show this season, honestly,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: by being real, will always be Emily and Gina. I
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: think they're like each other.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: That's it. That's that.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: The rest of them. I see, we're here to work.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: It's an alliance and that's that. So I actually agree
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: with you on that one. I want to move on though,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: because Katie came back in this episode.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: And Tamara said, look this, we're gonna sit.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Down and have a Ponderosa and Alexis we have to
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: get into the revelation that Katie revealed. Katie pretty much
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: told Tamra that Slade pretty much orchestrated all of this.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: That Slade told Matt that Katie needs to stick to
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: the story because it's.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: A legal issue.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Is that Katie no, And we'll get to what happened
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: later because everything sort of and rain drops. I want
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: you guys to be able to always watch this show
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: and kind of see like how everything comes together full circle.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: I believe Katie. I believe that Slade said that to Matt.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: It all makes sense to me. And that's the one
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: thing they did not want to come out, is the
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: fact that I do believe that Gretchen allegedly did tell
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Haiti and Jin that Tama drugged her.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: I believe it. I believe I believe it too.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: I believe I did too, and it's I I think,
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: I mean, give it time. Maybe we'll find out more
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: than you know. Maybe there'll be more about this on
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: the next couple episodes. I'm not sure, but like it's
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: interesting to me how once again there's evidence like that
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: that text that Katie showed does show that, Okay, I
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: was saying, I'll cover up for you. I promise I'll
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: cover up for you. But it's like, there's the evidence.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: The proof is in the pudding. It's right there, and
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: and people are deciding to turn the other way.
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: So I I it's so baffling.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: And and you know, that's why I do think it
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: does need a recast. I think it's going to be
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: good to have a recast and and keep some and
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: get rid of some or whatever they want to do
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: or start all rush again.
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: I don't know, but but I.
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: Just feel like because of the fact that no one's
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: really looking at the true or believing what's really out
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: like that what's right in front of her eyes, I
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: feel like it's just it's it's hard to watch it, Carlos,
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: you know, because you're sitting there going but wait, but wait,
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: you want to like come through the screen and be like,
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: but look look at what's right here, Like you know,
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: and the poor Katie.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: Because not poor Katie. She kind of caused herself, but
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: she lied.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: At the beginning a couple of times that that that
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: really have hurt her.
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: The feeling that the women can ever trust her again,
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: it has her.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the boy who cried Wall you know what I mean,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: It is my best story.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: You and I both said before just because you've lied
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: once or twice doesn't mean you lie all the time.
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: It doesn't.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: Maybe she has learned, maybe I feel like for me,
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: for Katie, when she first got on the show, she
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: was like a deer in headlights. I've said this on
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: another podcasts with you, and I think that she's learning
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: now and she's kind of getting her getting her footing,
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: you know a little bit more, because she even even
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: though she's broken right now, that conversation she had with
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: Tamra at the at the restaurant or the bar or whatever,
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: I feel like she even seemed like she was more poised,
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: broken but poised, but like like she's getting it a
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: little bit more now, Like now she's like, look, I
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: am so sick of covering up for people, and you know,
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: YadA YadA. But so I think that that's what has
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: to happen. I think that the recast, but I think
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: that the women are never going to believe Katie now.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: I think she's unfortunately, but I'm with you. I agree
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: that Katie's telling the truth on this one, one hundred percent.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: No, It's crazy to me because I love Gretchen. I've
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: been watching OC since season two. When Gretchen came on,
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: I was like, who is this bat chick?
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: I love her. I don't care if her man is
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: this age. I'm like, I'm like Gretchen, Gretchen is so
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: likable and what's funny? Gorgeous? And I was like, yay,
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: this is some fresh energy that this show. I don't
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: know I needed it.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: So when we learned she was coming back, I'm like, yes,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: because I expected that same level of freshness.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: And and and.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Like you said, like you know, she's fun, you know,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: like like let's inject some fun into this show. You know,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: she's a fun girl. I am worried about Gretchen. And
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: I'm worried about her because who she was in this episode.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: When she's around Slade, I don't recognize her. I'm concerned
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: about what influence Slade has on her. And and and
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: The reason why I'm sounding so serious is because.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: It I'm just gonna.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Say, she seems to be influenced by Slade, because I
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: don't know any woman, especially the Gretchen that I saw
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: years ago, that would gleefully want their male partner to
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: confront a woman.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: I was.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: I was so disturbed by it. It's one thing, Listen,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: I've worked on a lot of housewives, right, Niini Leaks
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: and Greg were married at the time, and so was
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Cynthia Bailey and Peter Thomas. The difference is those two
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: couples were the best of friends, vacation together, off camera.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: Hung out.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: When Nini and Peter had their issue, it was never
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: a situation where both of their partners weren't around. And again,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: they were really friends, so they also knew, like, look,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: there's love here in the midst of.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: Our disagreement, like brother and sister.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Slave's attention and confronting camera who he does not and
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: never did have a friendship with was weird, and it
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: was weird that Gretchen was put up to do it.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: And now I've connecting the dots and what Katie said
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: about what was laid told Matt, and now I'm seeing
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Gretchen lead the charge to have this man upfront camera
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: is I was. I was extremely disappointed in that and
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: I thought it was gross.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: Well yeah, and I don't feel like like the men
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: really on this show shouldn't get involved like it really.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, if you if you haven't learned by you know,
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: she was on it for for seasons before, and it's
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: like it never, it never pans out well for the man.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: If it's it's called Housewives of Orange County, yes, the
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: men are a nice little you know, you know, sidekick,
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: but it's never the men should be getting involved in
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: the fight unless it's an argument between two of the men.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: What if two of the husbands have an issue, no problem, right,
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: it's it's that's respectable and okay, you guys have an
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: issue and deal with it. But they're probably not going
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: to air out of that because it's Housewives, not house
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: Husbands of OC.
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: So yeah, I don't agree.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: With it, But I the part that concerns me most
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: is just why would they even try to go up
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: to Tamar at that point, You're at a charity event,
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: it's the end of the night. Why are you even
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: going to confront anyone? It's just it's all about timing too,
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: you know. And and what if Gretchen and Slaye had said,
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: you know, Tamar and Eddie, can we sit down and
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: have a talk, like let's talk, let's let's meet up
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: next week for coffee or whatever, and let's have it.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: Let's sit it out and just hash it all out.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: Totally different, totally respectable. At the end of the night,
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: when a couple of people have had cocktails, it's you're
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: you're you're raising money forty something thousand dollars. Good job,
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: It's like or maybe that was Heather's charity. I forget
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: what that one raised, but anyways, you're you're doing you're
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: there for a charitable cause. You don't want to start
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: drama at that and and then to bring your you know,
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: boyfriend into it with it, It's like, no, not okay,
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: I'm with you.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it was it was. It was really
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: weird to me.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: And that's why, look, Emily ride the fence, but whatever,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: that's just who she is.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: But I did appreciate her telling Gretchen and like, look, that.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Was pretty you know aggressive what you guys were trying
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: to do to Tamra, Like, I'm not here for it,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, yeah, it's not. And the fact that
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Gretchen didn't understand that she and she yells at her
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: then yelling at each other, then they leave, and Gretcha's
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: saying like, well, it's the fact that you know, Tamra
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: is say things about Slay, and Slay has the issue.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: As a man, I would have done what Alexi just outline.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: As two couples. Let's all sit down.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Let let Eddie, Tamra, Slay and Gretchen have a conversation.
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: Then no one's no one's ganged up on.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: It's equal.
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: It's like there's two men and there's two women. It's
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: they're both, you.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: Know, couples, and you can hash it all out because
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: otherwise it's it's slave and Gretchen on Tamera. It's not okay.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: Then no one likes the gang up. And it's also
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: not okay for some man to be yelled in a
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: woman's face. Like you said, it's not okay. But you
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: can see that the anger seething from Slay, like he
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: just is never going to be happy until he gets
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: to scream at her or something.
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: I don't know if he'll even be happy then, but.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's pretty deep.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: You can see it, and you can see Tamara not
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: wanting anything to do with the issues they've had twelve
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: years ago in this and that you can you could
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: literally see her like I'm over it, Like when are
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: they going to get over it? And then it's just
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: I just can see Slade and Gretchen just hanging on
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: to it, all of it, just hanging holding it, you know,
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: like we're not going to move past this. When will they?
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: That's what I'm going to ask Carlos. When will they
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: get over it? They've already made their point. They've already
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: made several accusations that have panned out to not be true.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: They've already yelled at each other like when is it
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: going to be?
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: Enough? Is enough?
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: What is it going to have to do?
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: Like like that one season when Heather said, do you
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: want me to give you my first born child? Like,
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: like what do they want Tamar to do to move
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: past this? Because it's obvious Tamar's ready to let's let's
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: all do it.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: I can't believe.
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: I can't believe yourers aren't sick of hearing about this. Also,
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: I'm like so over it.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Well, no, there's on a few things I've seen on
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: social media. A lot of people are over it because
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: it's sort of like the thing is this, there's no resolve,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: and it's sort of like there's there's there's no resolve
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: because the difference is.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Slave and Gretchen. They don't want to resolve this.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: They just they don't have any intention of saying, look,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: we've had this issu in the past, let's move forward,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: and I.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: Will say this bad move. I listen.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: What they should have done, alexis that would have been
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: smart and iconic and would have guaranteed another season. I
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: would have definitely made the beginning like, let's have this conversation.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: We could like argue whatever.
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: But I would have shocked the world by by having
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: Gretchen and camera be friends. I would have shocked the
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: world by having all of them hang out and then
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: being like, oh shit.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: This is this.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: This is the duol we didn't know we needed it was.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: It was named bad bluve of their part that they
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: kept the beef on. We're talking about episode fourteen, and
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: I'm over it.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: I'm over it. I'm over it.
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: We got over the Katie stuff, now we're over this stuff.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: It's like it's like you do want, you want the
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: story to move, so unfortunately it's not. It was we
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: were hung up on the Katie thing for so overly long,
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: and now we're hung up on this overly long.
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: It's like, Okay, how many more episodes do we have?
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: Because do you know, I don't know how many there are,
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: but we've got that was fourteen.
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: I know there's at least sixteen or seventeen.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think of like seventeen eighteen. Yeah.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're going on the trip we saw next week,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: and I think we have two more. They just take
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: their reunion.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: Yesterday.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Before I let you go, I do want to ask
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: you this. They did release the seating chart. First chair
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: went to Tamra. Surprised there, and the other first chair
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: went to Gin.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was. I was surprised by that.
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: Why you're just the biggest fan.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, I loved it.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: But see, unlike look, unlike the cast, I out the Lions.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: So I can call shit out the way I see it.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: I was, I listen, I love Jen.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: I didn't think jin this this season last season, Jen,
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: first chair, Yes.
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: I who did you think should have had it?
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, Carlos King my prediction was first chair camera obviously, honestly,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: you're about to gag I would have given it based on.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: Performance this season. Who kept the story?
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: It would have been between Emily and Gina. If I'm
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: basic in on story, first chair should have been either
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Emily or Gina, and I'm gonna gag you some more.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: I probably would have leaned more towards m if I'm
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: basicing it off of just story. Emily was a was
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: a podstar tepe shit going.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: Gina was great this season. Base on story, it'd been
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: Emily and Gina. What about you?
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: I don't agree with you at all.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: I think you know because because Gina and Emily, to me,
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: their story was about their kids at work.
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: And like that's it.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: It's like there was not or like the charities and
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: this that I don't remember one thing a story like.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: I think it would be Jen. I mean, I was shocked.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: When I saw it.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie, but I think it would go
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: to Gen because I feel like Jen has enough beef
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: with Tamera and and held her own and has you know,
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: like it is like is like trying is like trying
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: to become bff with Gretchen or whatever and bringing that
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: into it. So I feel like Jen was such a
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: catalyst and so many of the stories that it's like,
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: you know, and she gets along with Shannon now really
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: well when last season they weren't so close or you know.
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: So I don't I don't know.
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: I just feel like out of all of it, because honestly,
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: the rest of them all kind of are in the
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: same boat.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: Like there.
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: I feel like, I feel like Shannon, we know, has.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: No storyline like zero, and then Heather is just kind
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: of Switzerland and does her thing and wants to be
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: in Beverly Hills. And then we've got and then we've
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: got Gina and Emily, who I don't feel like, there
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: was no like drama other than the family and the charities,
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: and then there would be Katie. So I mean, honestly,
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: Katie carried it up at the beginning of the show.
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: Maybe she did a first chair you know.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: Oh, let's be clear.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if Katie, Oh, let's be clear, honey, if Katie
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: was on the show for the rest of the season,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: Katie should for sure have been first chair, one one
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: hundred and forty five percent for freaking sure. But I knew,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: based on being producer, I knew that they were going
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: to bring Katie out towards the middle of.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: Filming the reunion, which I get although I listen.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: If I was producing it, I would have done this, Alexis,
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: I would have started the the reunion without Katie.
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: And by maybe.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Twenty thirty minutes in I would have brought Katie out.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: I would have told Gina or Emily's school down. Katie
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: sits next.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: To Andy.
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: For that portion of when she was the most part.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: Of the biggest market.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then eventually, you know what would have been
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: cool about that?
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: So did she I didn't ask him or this, But
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: did she leave Hart way through the reunion?
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: I believe. I believe.
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: I believe based on her getting the last seat.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: I believe that they brought her back out towards like
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: the middle of filming the reunion, and that she may
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: have either either she stayed towards the end and toasted
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: to them, or she left before the toast.
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: Got it.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: And you know what would have been great about your
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: idea about scooting everybody down and putting her there is
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: it's never happened before, number one, so that's always you know,
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: audience loves that, the viewers love the new thing that's
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: never happened. And also it would have given Katie what
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: Katie was doing, like she carried the first what ten
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: episodes of the show, So yeah, that would have yeah,
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: that would have been yeah, yeah, good idea of Carlos
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: iadline at RHOC. They don't know who they're missing here.
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: I mean, Dateline needs me, r h C needs you.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: We got we gotta put this in the universe.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: You know, I love you so much, Alexas Jansen, honey
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: once again congratulates my love.
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, look at my shirt. Girlfriend, no fiance, no wife.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, happy for you.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: Give my life to John.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: You can only wear this cheesy stuff for like the
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: first week and today it works my one week anniversary.
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: By the way, everyone's questioning why we got married on
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: a Friday. Let me clear the air car.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, let's talk about that.
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: Everybody is like, why they get married on a Friday.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: My friends got married on a Tuesday because they wanted
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: the date to twenty two twenty two.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: That was back in.
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: Twenty twenty two. It doesn't matter what day you get
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: married on.
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: But our resort that we wanted to be at didn't
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: have a Saturday for two and a half years from
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: when we back a year ago and we booked the resort,
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: we had no choice but a Friday or a Sunday
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: or a different date. So we chose Friday the third
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: because the three is one of our numbers, and so
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: we're like, Friday.
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: The Third's perfect. It doesn't who cares what day.
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: I don't know why it's such a big hook, Like
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: what they think we saved money, honey bunny. Our wedding
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: was way over six figures and more. So just no, okay, no,
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: it was we did not save any money or need
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: to do it for any other reason we wanted to.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: I that was so funny. I felt that getting married
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: a Friday was a big is not a rule a day.
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: I think that people think.
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: I do know that certain resorts give discounts on different days,
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: like if you do it on a Sunday because they
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: don't have as many weddings. But when Saturday's book out
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: for two and a half years, you get an establishment.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: You can guarantee you ain't saving any money on a
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: Friday or a Sunday because then they know everyone's coming
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: on a Friday or Sunday because all the Saturdays are
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: booked so I mean, it's like, I don't know, but
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: I think people just like to talk. But there you go,
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: so everyone can now put their mind to rest and
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: just know that we had to take a Friday people,
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: and it worked out beautifully and or you know what
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: we liked about it as our guests had to take
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: off Thursday off work, but then the ones that needed
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: to leave town and get back to work on Monday
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: had Saturday to come to our chef brunch over here
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: and then they could, you know, fly out on Sunday
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: and make it to work on Monday.
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: So they actually, some of them actually really liked.
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: It because if you get married on a Saturday, if
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: you get married on a Saturday, then they do the brunch.
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: They have to miss work on Friday too, So.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I did.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: At the end of the day, there's no day when
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: it comes to celebrating your matrimony with the person you love.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: I think I don't care if it was a Wednesday, Like,
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: at the end of.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: The day, this is for the two of you, and
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: if anybody wanted to be there, whether it was a
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Wednesday or Friday, Like, I don't think the day of
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: the week matters. Was exactly appropriate or not, but whatever.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Congratulations missus Janson.
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: We will see we will see everybody next week and
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: or what's next Next Friday?
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: TJ. Yeah, next Friday. All right, So tell John.
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: I'll be in Missouri's a littill be a weird podcast.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: It will be at my Auntie's house and I don't
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: know what that set up will be like, just warning you,
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: but it's gonna be fun in Missouri.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: Okay, good wait?
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: I love you, dolph Aides and I'll see you in
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: the next one. Bye bye, bye, bye bye baby.
• 45:35
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• 45:39
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• 45:43
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