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1999's Varsity Blues · Off The Shelf With Phil and Dave- A Movie Review Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to Off the Shelf with Phil and Dave, the
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  Movie talk Show where each week one of us takes a movie off our
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  shelf, presents it to the other, and discusses it at length.
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  This week we've got coming off of Dave's Shelf, 1999's Varsity
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  Blues, directed by Brian Robbins, written by W Peter
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  Liuf. Correct.
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  Very good. But also, maybe more
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  importantly, starring James Van Der Beek, Jon Voight, Paul
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  Walker, Scott Kahn and many others.
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  Here it is, David. We're back on the couch one week
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  later and we have I. Think you're right?
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  I think it's exactly one week. Later, I think you're right, we
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  have Varsity Blues coming off the shelf.
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  I have to ask, of course, why this movie and why now?
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  Would you be terribly upset if I answered those in the opposite
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  way that you asked them? I don't expect an answer to any
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  of those questions typically every week, so I'm glad you even
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  have one. Well, Phillip, the why now?
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  Similar to Naked Gun, football season started about a month
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  ago, maybe even longer by the time this came, roughly.
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  Sure. Four to six weeks.
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  Gotcha. Kind of like an injury.
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  Yeah. That's why I wanted to do a
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  football movie. And here I am, Right on time.
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  Right on. Right on time.
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  Why this one? I feel like one of the main
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  premises of our show, this delightful little program we
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  have here, was watching it then, yes, and then revisiting it ten
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  years or 20 years, of course, whatever later, to see how it
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  held up visually and thematically.
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  See if it belongs on the shelf. Ultimately, and then we kind of
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  got loose with it. Next thing you know we're doing
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  made for TV, movies, random pics off the shelf.
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  Now that's mostly me. A few themed ones around
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  October, November which is approaching.
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  Four to six weeks. So I decided to go with this one
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  for those reasons because I remember watching it when I was
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  just out of high school. OK, so I figured we've grown.
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  Boy, have we. Have we out words and upwards?
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  So I thought it would be a treat for you to watch this, I'm
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  guessing for the first time. That's correct.
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  I've never seen this movie before.
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  How did you miss it? The thing is, we talked so much
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  about 99 being this great year for movies and so many classics.
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  I guess there's too much. This one didn't quite make it,
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  in large part, frankly, to what I thought was a very lackluster
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  trailer. A piss poor cast and, well, a
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  line that I just couldn't. Oh, there's a.
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  Couple to choose couldn't handle.
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  I really didn't know what to expect.
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  For some reason, I had watched all seasons of Friday Night
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  Lights, the television show. And you're not.
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  For the listeners out there who don't know, who have been
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  following along, you're not a big football guy. 2 * 2 times
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  fantasy championship. Yes, you're right.
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  Right, that's a. Good credit worth and you did
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  beat me last week and. I did the inaugural and I loved
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  it. It felt great.
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  However, you're right, I am not a big football fan generally,
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  and I also will kind of a little posit here that there are no
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  good football movies. You'd mention that in our little
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  preamble. And I started thinking, I'm
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  like, maybe Phil is right about this.
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  And I tried to think of some football movies, and I think the
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  good ones are ones I haven't seen maybe, but maybe, I guess
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  they may not be good. But I think Remember the Titans
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  might be an exception to that to.
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  Me, I don't know, I watched that.
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  I'm just thinking like schlocky Disney touchstone movie of
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  glossy bullshit. With any sports movie, though,
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  it's hard not to fall into those tropes.
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  Totally agree. I find it funny because I love
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  so much baseball movies. Yeah, and find that those
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  translate very well to the screen.
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  Yeah, I think you unveiled unravelled the secret to that,
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  or at least for me, I didn't put it together, but it makes sense,
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  is the pace of the game sure comes down to the.
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  Pace, yeah. Whereas I find this movie and
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  most other football movies to be uninteresting.
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  The drama of that is it's not there.
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  But did you like Friday Night Lights?
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  The TV. Show what I was saying.
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  I actually really like that show a lot, but it's not really about
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  football. That's what the taking a
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  television show, you're not having 22 episodes is not 22
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  games. You're having story about the
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  town, the players, this and that, which is kind of what this
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  movie is doing. So when you said this was this
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  week's movie, I anticipated, even though they made a Friday
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  Night Lights movie, I thought that this would be that.
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  And I don't think it delivers on what that is.
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  Now, I never saw the movie Friday Night Lights either, but
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  the television show, Jason Katims and Kyle Chandler and
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  Connie Britton are phenomenal. Michael B Jordan in that as
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  well. I believe you.
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  But this one just doesn't really hit any levels of interest to
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  me. Doesn't really elevate the story
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  or this character. General, I forgot to tell you to
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  go with low expectations. I always do.
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  Every other week, every other week, every other week,
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  coincidentally. Interesting.
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  Yeah, checks out. And I'm probably guessing that
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  this is not a director that you're overly familiar with.
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  No, not a director I've ever heard of.
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  Being a pick of mine and, you know, being an MTV.
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  Yeah, you know, I don't want to cast too many aspersions on the
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  MTV Movie aspect of it. Just give.
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  Me one aspersion. Because it did produce election
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  also in 99 which was a fantastic.
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  Movie Oh with Reese. Yeah, yeah.
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  So they're not all bad. Let's say you love political
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  thrillers. That's a great movie.
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  I don't know if you've ever seen that.
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  But no, really, she's smart. Yeah, well, it's up to you.
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  You can bring it off anytime. But anytime, yeah.
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  I don't know anything that Brian Robbins has really done.
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  He seemed to have produced a lot.
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  He performed. He was an actor.
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  He was actually in the television series Head of the
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  Class from 1986 to 1991. Now I know you've seen the show.
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  Of course that's that's back when you used to watch TV.
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  Yeah, there's a cute redhead. I believe in that.
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  Maybe in that movie there's a pocket protector.
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  OK, Yeah, Yeah. Very important.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  This guy, he's directed garbage. He directed in orbit.
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  He directed the nonsense. Really.
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  It's a movie called Nonsense or no, just nonsense, generally
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  kind of garbage. So I have no time for him and I
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  never. Will.
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  See anything he's ever directed? I will say the writer though,
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  Peter Illiff also wrote Patriot Games.
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  Oh wow, and you must love that. Why we both really loved the
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  first hour of that movie. Really loved.
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  I mean I. Definitely no, I'm teasing.
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  I'm. Teasing.
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  Yeah, it's I. Used to like the whole thing
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  until I watched it with you and then like you're right, you know
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  the last 20 minutes isn't that great.
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  Thanks. Yeah, if I can ruin something
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  I'd try to. I have no no problems there
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  buddy, don't you worry. He also wrote Point Break if
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  you've ever seen. That no, but that's.
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  Gary Busey and Keanu Reeves. Yeah, that's a movie that's just
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  known. Yeah, yeah, I got it.
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  Been remade a couple times or one other time, but Kathryn
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  Bigelow directing. Oh, there you go.
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  Yeah, yeah, ex presidents are surfers.
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  Great line from. That spoiler, I've seen it.
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  There you go. Everything that comes out of
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  that mouth is gold, buddy. That's right, these days it's a
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  hell. Of a mouth to come out of all
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  teeth and gum. So there's the gentleman that
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  made the movie. But Phillip, I wonder what the
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  movie's about now. I know, you know and I know.
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  But for those who don't, let's get all faithful.
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  Up here and we find out, Yes, give it to me straight.
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  A backup quarterback is chosen to lead a Texas football team to
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  victory after the star quarterback is injured.
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  I don't like that, no. It tells you what happens on the
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  field, yeah, but doesn't get into the crux of the story, the
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  characters, the town. It really just happens on the
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  field. Yeah, that's it.
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  I mean, that's a big pivot point.
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  Sure. Means nothing, means nothing for
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  those who don't. Know they don't enjoy it.
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  OK, we'll we'll bring it to life here, of course, on the show.
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  We'll give it its due. We skipped kind of the first
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  impressions we just gave our history about the movie, but I
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  think throughout the movie we'll get a pretty good idea of our
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  feelings towards the film. Absolutely.
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  That's the kind of the point of the episode.
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  Yeah, we don't want to give it all away.
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  We want you to wait till the end of.
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  Course, of course, such a payoff after last week.
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  Wait for it. Yeah, if you disappointed
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  people, I'm sure it wouldn't be the first time, Phillip, that we
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  start off with a little bit of a voice over.
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  Yep, Yep, this time with an accent.
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  Not the first time for that either.
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  We'll start with James Vanderbrook Vanderbeek.
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  We'll start with Mox. Yeah.
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  I'm not going to call him Dawson.
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  That's a disservice to him. Disrespectful.
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  Yes. I don't think he appreciates it.
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  No, I'm sure he's put up with that over the years.
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  He's done more than. Not much, not much, not much.
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  But he's done this. You know, it's only Vanderbeeks
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  that bothers me and I'm not exactly sure why.
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  I haven't fully investigated if it's just I know him as the
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  Dawson and therefore I don't accept OK or that it's not good.
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  I think it's a little bit. Of both, I think it's probably
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  you're right because Scott Kahn throws one on and it doesn't
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  really bother me, doesn't really stick out.
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  Yeah, his does not stick out at all.
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  His does. I think it gets better.
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  No, I thought it was bad the whole time.
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  OK, I did not like him just with the voice for sure.
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  Yeah, over the voice over right away back.
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  Yeah, I was pretty much out right away.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also the speech, like it just
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  not interesting, man. You're trying to set the scene.
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  This is the town. It's all football all the time.
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  It's the relevance. It's the importance, yeah.
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  And I don't think the writing is strong enough to really have
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  that matter. Whereas, you know, we've talked
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  about in Field of Dreams and in Moneyball as an example of
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  sports movies that give you the speeches that like, explain why
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  sports slash baseball. And then in those instances
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  matter, whether it's voice over from Kinsella talking about his
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  dad and the arguments that they had and whatever else, or it's
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  Brad Pitt and Jonah Hill talking about romance in baseball,
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  right? Like it's just like the magic of
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  sport in what it can do to a town, community, person,
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  whatever. And this movie wants to do that.
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  But right away I'm like, I don't feel it.
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  I felt it in Romancing the Stone.
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  I felt the romance in that I should make a movie called
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  Romancing the Bat or Romancing the Ball.
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  They did. It's on one of your sites, one
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  of the parody sites that you like to.
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  Go Mart. It did remind me how much I love
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  Moneyball. Just I want to throw that out
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  there. Sure, it's just when you're
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  watching a bad movie, it can often remind you that there were
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  good movies. Makes you appreciate them maybe.
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  Yeah, absolutely. Little bit, a little bit,
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  absolutely. What I also found challenging
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  right away is the speech, as it were.
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  He's remembering childhood football with his friends that
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  looking at a photograph reading Slaughterhouse 5, the Vonnegut
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  novel. OK, so you're trying to tell us
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  this guy's smart because he's reading a classy book and he's
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  torn between sort of football star and that whatever, that's
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  fine. But his brother is standing in
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  the room wearing a cross. It's.
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  Texas buddy. I don't know what that means. 2
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  scenes later, he's a Muslim and two scenes after that cult
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  leader. So my point is just like he's
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  experimenting. Yeah.
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  I just don't understand why. The point when I say I don't get
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  what it means, it's because I don't understand why Texas is
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  not the answer because those other religions don't really fit
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  into it's. Texas 2 out of 3 sure.
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  Christianity and. Cult leaders I guess.
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  So I just feel like, is this supposed to be funny?
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  Yes. Anyway, it does.
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  Offer some good lines for mocks to say because his dad's like,
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  did you pray for tonight's game? So I have Jesus in my room
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  upstairs, but it's not worth the line, you know what I mean?
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  That whole thing. It doesn't make sense.
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  Also, it means that it just started today, so they're
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  completely unaware. So why today of all days, is he
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  dressed up as Jesus? Well, I think the mom is always
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  unaware of what's going on, that she likes the marijuana.
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  I think that's pretty clear. I was thinking she's drunk all
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  the. Time I was really going with the
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  weed side of things. I never saw weed in the movie.
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  I never saw alcohol in the movie with her.
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  At the picnic, she's absolutely drunk off her ass.
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  Okay, so. Maybe moms are drinking.
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  All right, maybe you're right. Then I'll give it to you.
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  Either way, she's inebriated instead of right.
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  Yeah, okay. Anyway, it just was right away.
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  I was like, I don't understand the the tone.
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  I'm watching and the movie doesn't get any better as it
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  goes from there. You're out.
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  Not even out. I just, I'm like, I don't
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  understand the tone. But, you know, it's still early.
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  Yeah. I just thought that's such a
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  brash side joke to whatever is happening.
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  I think what they're pointing out is that he does not like
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  football. He's totally not going to be a
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  football player. And his dad is in such denial.
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  He even talks about later, oh, yeah, he's excited to play
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  football. Yeah, yeah.
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  Lies. About it?
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  Sure, just. Showing how much pride they have
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  in this game to the point where the blinds them to what's
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  happening in their own household.
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  I was also curious to know if it's true that the football
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  players wear their jersey like as their everyday wear.
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  Oh, like to and from the school or whatever.
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  Yeah, because Mox is wearing his number four.
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  They all are. This is the scene.
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  Billy Bob's got his big truck. I'm in it.
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  I'm with it. That makes sense.
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  He's got a pig named Bacon. Thinks it's a dog.
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  But the crew is coming together. That's true, and it really gives
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  us a good introduction to the main 4/5.
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  Yeah, give or take. We drive past Lance so he's not
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  in the. Truck.
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  No. Exactly.
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  But he is the other guy. But he's the other.
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  Guy. Yeah, he's already picked up
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  Brown. He's in the back.
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  We get a a window into Billy Bob's eating habits.
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  This is. OK, yeah, I no, I watched this
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  with my wife. OK.
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  I showed her the trailer first, OK, and it gave away a lot.
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  By the way, it was a bad trailer.
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  Like you said, it was bad, but that's one of the reasons why it
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  was bad. I just stopped.
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  My wife deserves to go in fresh. That's right.
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  And she just gave me a couple. Looks like this is really gross
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  and I'm like, it is. I'm tolerating it more because
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  of well, I have to. I have to, but it made me really
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  feel kind of old. Really.
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  Watching this in when I'm 20, it probably didn't bother me that
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  much. I probably got a kick out of it,
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  sure. Funny, silly, goofy, whatever.
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  Watching it now, like OK, now we have the guy who's incredibly
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  out of shape. Oh yeah.
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  Diabetic, if not now, very soon making a lot of poor dietary
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  choices we have. I can see why you're feeling
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  old. What's this fiber intake?
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  We have tweeter just this obnoxious sex crazed teenager.
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  I got to get laid. I got to Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Again when I'm 20. OK, sure.
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  Now. Check, check, check.
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  I just want a good night's sleep, you know what I mean?
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  I fake it if I, if I have to, just to, you know, make sure I
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  get my 8 hours. And then you have Brown, who
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  seems a little nerdy in this. Yeah, they don't really.
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  He's the he has no character until yeah, much ever really.
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  But but they try and do it a little later.
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  Yeah, what we really see here is camaraderie, friendship.
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  We get to see Lance Harbour, as I said that, played by Paul
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  Walker. Paul Walker, and he walks out,
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  he's given the hero shot, He walks out low angle.
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  He's got a little billboard next to his house.
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  Which apparently is a thing. I think it's a thing.
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  I think it's a thing. They do it later for mock.
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  So it's clearly like consistent, you know, I, I sometimes by you
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  get criticized for my. By me, I would never.
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  For my fat takes. For your fat takes.
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  Fat takes, you know, teasing me about my dislike of Jack Black,
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  in particular Chris Farley. Oh yes, that's true.
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  Yeah, and so I watched this and I thought I'm going to get
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  criticized for this, but this fucking character.
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  Oh my God, yes, too much. Is is the worst and beyond
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  performance? Because I actually think
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  performance wise he's good. Actually played himself in the
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  No, no, he didn't play himself, but he played in the he played
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  in the parody version of this movie.
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  Oh yeah, yeah, naked. Was it a porn parody on that?
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  No, thank God no. OK, no, but watching him eat
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  pancakes dipped in peanut butter and guzzling Maple syrup, to me
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  that is not real. That's just jokes for joke's
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  sake. That's making fun of fat people.
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  Which we don't do anymore. No, I just think it's such a
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  cheap and this is the things that I hate.
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  It's like fat people Just Dance and do stupid things like Jack
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  Black running around and being loud and being obnoxious.
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  It's like, that's what fat people do.
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  Chris Farley doing pratfalls and this and that because it's funny
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  to watch fat people fall down. So I'm offended by it generally
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  because I think it's so cheap and easy and watching this guy,
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  it's just like so heightened that it becomes completely
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  unreal and unbelievable. And to your point, just
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  disgusting and dangerous, but mostly just gross.
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  I don't want to see someone guzzling down Maple syrup, even
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  if it was a thin guy. Like I don't want to see
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  Vanderbeek do it either. I think it's just stupid.
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  To do the privacy or home, I think the difference between
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  watching Chris Farley do cartwheels and and this is the
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  health factor. That's why I don't like this.
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  I don't mind a fat guy jumping around.
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  Find it funny or don't find it funny, it's fine.
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  But this? You're killing yourself treating
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  your body that way, like. Sure, but I mean you're saying
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  that you don't want to see the person destroying their body,
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  you just want to see the after effects of them having destroyed
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  their body. Doing cartwheels is probably
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  burning some calories. Fair there.
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  It is like you're trying, you're making an effort to lose a
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  couple. Pounds.
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  Well, this guy's playing football on the football team.
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  He's offensive line. I don't know what that means.
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  No, I know you don't. You're just there to block.
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  You're not doing a lot of moving.
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  Around so yeah. Yeah, but it was just.
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  Yeah, it was gross. I was obnoxious, it was stupid.
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  And I I did find a little. Offensive.
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  It's silly. It's like just cheap and easy.
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  And that I have so little patience for any movie that
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  takes the cheap and easy, whether it's this joke or some
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  other situation. And he died at the age of 45.
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  Yeah, there you go. He was up to a 508 lbs.
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  He had a surgery to very touch and go.
• 18:09
  Apparently almost died in the surgeries, gastric bypass
• 18:13
  situation. I lost 300 lbs and then died of
• 18:17
  liver and kidney failure. There it is.
• 18:19
  So it's even less funny. Yeah, you know, I don't think
• 18:23
  the movie had anything to do with it.
• 18:24
  Oh no, but it just just glorifying that aspect of larger
• 18:29
  people with their eating habits. I just, I don't find the humor.
• 18:32
  No, it's just not funny. No, Chris Farley's funny in my
• 18:36
  opinion. Sure, for his antics, for his
• 18:38
  antics antics, but if he those aren't antics, if he had done
• 18:41
  the things that he was doing to his body, that made him that.
• 18:43
  Way oh, the cocaine and the coke, the coke and the.
• 18:46
  Food and like. The hookers, steaks and
• 18:47
  whatever, all that. Yeah, sure.
• 18:48
  Then you'll watch that you would judge him differently if he was
• 18:50
  one. Of the movies, I didn't see
• 18:52
  that. Watch the movie.
• 18:52
  Watch Tommy Boy again. No, none of that.
• 18:54
  Yeah, you know he's a bad. Guy in a little coat?
• 18:56
  No problem. Exactly.
• 18:58
  Good salesman. He's a good salesman,
• 18:59
  absolutely. You look up to him.
• 19:01
  Anyway, I just thought I hated the scene.
• 19:02
  I hated these characters. And that's pretty early on in
• 19:05
  the movie to be that frustrated by the characters.
• 19:10
  You're going to spend the next hour or an hour.
• 19:11
  Yeah, right. And I kept thinking, to your
• 19:13
  point, these aren't real people. Aren't they?
• 19:16
  Like Scott Kahn being so overtly and so loudly and so obnoxiously
• 19:22
  that guy. I'm like, this is now caricature
• 19:25
  to me. Exactly, the only one isn't is
• 19:27
  really mox. Yeah, and Van der Beek, he's not
• 19:30
  a bad actor, just doesn't have the gravitas to hold down the
• 19:33
  movie when these other characters are just off the
• 19:36
  fucking wall. Yeah, I felt that the group
• 19:38
  chemistry just wasn't quite right.
• 19:40
  Someone mentioned like, Harbor and Moxon were best friends.
• 19:42
  I never felt that. Never.
• 19:44
  You're dating his sister that I got.
• 19:46
  Yeah. Yeah, you're you're friendly
• 19:48
  sort of association. Yeah, that makes sense.
• 19:50
  Sure. But this movie, ironically, we
• 19:52
  just did a parody Naked Gun, and I felt like this is one or two
• 19:57
  steps away for being its own parody.
• 20:00
  I couldn't agree more. Everything was just over the
• 20:02
  top, every character was a single note.
• 20:05
  Yeah, other than Mox little more grounded, but like you said, I
• 20:08
  don't think he was strong enough now to reel it all in.
• 20:12
  Yeah, you're not wrong, right? Because we've got Kilmer the
• 20:14
  coach. You get him.
• 20:16
  Now, not introduced yet necessarily in the movie, but
• 20:18
  but he's coming up projected as a tyrant so overtly crazy about
• 20:25
  sports win at all costs and all of that stuff.
• 20:28
  And it runs throughout the whole movie and everything is so
• 20:30
  arched. The parents to the dads in
• 20:31
  particular. I got some amusement out of at
• 20:35
  least one of them, so yeah, sure.
• 20:37
  Mostly because his accent was terribly real.
• 20:40
  Yeah. Yeah, there's not necessarily
• 20:41
  like, I don't like any part of this.
• 20:44
  It's just like, it's all so much that it's like it takes a lot to
• 20:47
  find the kernel of something interesting, which I find a
• 20:51
  little bit frustrating. Now let's talk about Jon Voight,
• 20:53
  if we could. For just a brief moment, we both
• 20:55
  enjoyed him in Runaway Train. Loved him.
• 20:58
  He was fantastic. His character was.
• 21:00
  How he portrayed that character in that movie was bang on.
• 21:05
  I almost felt like we got the same guy here a little, a little
• 21:09
  over the top, Sure. Which is not a place for it.
• 21:12
  No, I don't need a sports movie to have the coach who's the
• 21:16
  inspiration, who brings them all together.
• 21:18
  That is the more common, yeah. Nothing wrong with that.
• 21:21
  Tropes or tropes if they're done right, Let's enjoy the ride.
• 21:24
  That's right, he is like every other character.
• 21:28
  A1 Note. He's just a asshole.
• 21:32
  He's just a what's a what's a good word to use for this guy?
• 21:35
  Asshole. Jerk.
• 21:36
  Motherfucker. Yeah.
• 21:38
  I don't know if you noticed this because you don't know a lot
• 21:40
  about football. At the pep rally, he has his
• 21:42
  little spiel. Yes.
• 21:44
  He's been there for 30 years. That's right.
• 21:46
  Yes. So the character is a one note
• 21:48
  and has not grown at all. Big fish, little pond.
• 21:52
  Yeah, OK, right. I get adulation here.
• 21:55
  I get success here at the city loves me, right?
• 21:58
  Maybe that? I I've maybe I've thought about
• 22:01
  it and I figured that would be a response and I'll accept it.
• 22:03
  Sure doesn't make it interesting.
• 22:05
  Just exactly explain it. Yeah.
• 22:07
  Yes, 22 district titles in 30 years.
• 22:12
  Yeah, it's pretty good. That's pretty good.
• 22:13
  District's OK Out of 30 years, he's only won the state twice.
• 22:18
  That's not very good. Doesn't seem to be it.
• 22:20
  Doesn't seem to me I have a. Question here for you, which is,
• 22:23
  is that good? Well, the 22 district is good,
• 22:26
  but only two state. Can't win the big game?
• 22:28
  Can't win the big game, Choke under pressure.
• 22:30
  I guess that's why he never moved down to college football,
• 22:32
  I guess. And I don't think it's any fault
• 22:35
  of Jon Voight, but it was too intense.
• 22:36
  It was too over the top, like almost every other character in
• 22:39
  this. Movie and right away there's no
• 22:41
  arc, right? Like these things, you meet them
• 22:43
  one way and the movie ends the same way.
• 22:46
  Like no one's done anything. And I granted, it's an MTV movie
• 22:50
  from 19 and 9 about teenagers and playing football in Texas.
• 22:53
  It's not all going to be War and Peace.
• 22:54
  Doesn't mean it can't be good. But it's not a good enough
• 22:56
  excuse to me just to be like, well, that's not the movie.
• 23:00
  You're like, yeah, OK, but what is there isn't very interesting.
• 23:03
  And by making these characters so one note for so long
• 23:07
  throughout the whole movie, you're like, I don't care about
• 23:09
  any of these people. But did I care 99?
• 23:12
  Well, that's a good question. I think the biggest question is
• 23:14
  like, now I as you can get the impression I didn't really enjoy
• 23:18
  this film. I thought it was quite poor.
• 23:20
  Yeah, but I think I liked it in 99.
• 23:24
  So is it me just being older or is it the fact that the how the
• 23:27
  characters were acting is less acceptable now?
• 23:30
  I think it's probably 20 years ago, 25 years ago, these people
• 23:34
  were your peers, and they're still living that life.
• 23:37
  Because the movie is obviously static, right?
• 23:40
  And you've grown older. I think that's just true of
• 23:43
  anything in any teen movie. The mark of a really good one.
• 23:46
  And I think This is why what we do here is so fun for me is we
• 23:50
  get to revisit these things that we liked or loved or in some
• 23:54
  cases didn't like at at younger ages and view them through a
• 23:58
  different prism, whether it's a different prism of life
• 24:00
  circumstance, whatever. It is, but is that fair?
• 24:03
  100% it is. OK, Can that movie, can someone
• 24:06
  of our age and our stature, do we have stature?
• 24:10
  No, I. Didn't think so.
• 24:12
  It didn't sound right. We do that age, though.
• 24:13
  We do that age. Should we be able to connect or
• 24:17
  like this movie on some level? I think if the movie were
• 24:20
  better, yes. The equation I have is something
• 24:22
  like The Breakfast Club, which is a movie about teenagers
• 24:25
  living in teenage lives explaining teenage existence to
• 24:29
  each other in a library 40 years ago, and I could watch that and
• 24:34
  feel the same. Because you could relate.
• 24:37
  Because you had detention, I did have a lot of you did not play
• 24:40
  football. To me, it's a relatable thing.
• 24:42
  Well, there's a football player in that.
• 24:43
  There's a jock, there's a criminal, there's a nerd, right?
• 24:47
  Like there's all these different characters that are stereotypes
• 24:50
  in some level. I'm I assumed you related to
• 24:52
  Billy Bob, No offense, no offense.
• 24:57
  I just I just. So you can make a movie that is
• 25:01
  timeless and you can make a movie that is so of its time
• 25:04
  that it lives and dies in the same year that it came out.
• 25:07
  And there's nothing wrong with either except one will make $75
• 25:11
  million in 1999 and not make another nickel.
• 25:15
  Or you get something like Jaws which was re released in the
• 25:18
  theaters a couple weeks ago and made 10 million.
• 25:20
  Dollars, actually, it's funny you mention that.
• 25:22
  Varsity Blues had a great first box office weekend, struggled to
• 25:27
  stay there for the second week and then just dropped right off.
• 25:30
  And that's pretty common nowadays, a little less so
• 25:32
  there. And I mean, 99 just had so many
• 25:33
  movies, I'm not that surprised. I just mean, you can make a
• 25:36
  movie that's timeless. This is not that.
• 25:38
  So it's not surprising that you liked it more at 20 than you did
• 25:40
  now, because it's made 4/20 for 20 year olds. 420 smoke
• 25:47
  something, smoke it up. Anyways, we get through the
• 25:50
  first game, they win 3517, but Billy Bob did go down and I do
• 25:55
  want to talk about the scene 'cause I think it's absolutely.
• 25:57
  Terrible. It's the worst.
• 25:58
  Talk to me more. I'm glad you were out.
• 26:01
  Let's go. We all know what we know now
• 26:03
  about football and concussions 100%.
• 26:05
  That's why I'm kind of giving it a little bit of leniency.
• 26:07
  What I will not accept is the doctor accepting what Mox says
• 26:13
  like he's the doctor. Yeah.
• 26:14
  So how many fingers are you holding up?
• 26:16
  Oh, you can't ask him that. Mox is indicating that he can't
• 26:18
  do that on a good day. And you're insulting the fat
• 26:20
  guy. He's he's dumb.
• 26:22
  He's dumb, fat and stupid. Exactly but.
• 26:24
  Ask him a true or false question and he can play.
• 26:28
  What's more telling is that what happens after that is Lance goes
• 26:32
  down. So is there a reading of this
• 26:33
  movie that Mox he's the problem is surreptitiously, yes, pining
• 26:39
  for the QB. One job sabotages the next play
• 26:45
  by usurping the doctor's orders. What's fun to think about?
• 26:50
  He's the mastermind, I'm telling you.
• 26:52
  I did think about the fact that it's his fault, but not
• 26:56
  intentionally. You sure didn't know what the
• 26:59
  next thing was going to be. Yeah, but he is the reason
• 27:02
  effectively if you play it out, Yeah, either way.
• 27:06
  On purpose or not on purpose, it's his fault and I think it's
• 27:09
  going to overlooked. Totally.
• 27:11
  It leads to the worst parts of this movie.
• 27:13
  Like it leads to the inciting incident.
• 27:15
  The whole pivot point happens because he's unconscious.
• 27:18
  That's correct. So if they don't pull him or
• 27:20
  like acknowledge he's got a concussion, the game's a
• 27:23
  different game. Either way, Tweeter's getting
• 27:24
  fucked up tonight either way. That's right, yeah.
• 27:28
  Tweeter might be getting fucked up, but Ally Larder's about to
• 27:31
  get fucked. That is, that is true.
• 27:33
  That is true. At this point, Lance Harbour is
• 27:35
  fine. He hasn't.
• 27:36
  That's right. Had a hell of a first game that
• 27:38
  we see, yeah. They've won 3517, not.
• 27:41
  A painkiller problem though. That is true.
• 27:43
  Drop that little hint. Yes, tweeters and enabler.
• 27:46
  Yes, he's got more at home. Keep the bottle, take.
• 27:48
  What you need? That's not your style, that we
• 27:50
  know. No, not a pill guy.
• 27:52
  But are you a house party guy? Phillip, back in the day.
• 27:56
  Talk to me. I had my own house party once
• 27:58
  when I was 16. OK, I had that go.
• 27:59
  I drank. This is the only the first drink
• 28:01
  I ever had in my life was out of the bottle Canadian Club
• 28:04
  whiskey. That's good stuff.
• 28:06
  It got me really fucked up. Very quickly I used to have a
• 28:09
  problem. I left my house, walked up to
• 28:13
  Legend Records at the Lincoln Fields there, bought the Oasis
• 28:17
  album What's the Story? Walked back to the apartment
• 28:20
  because a girl there wanted to listen to Wonderwall.
• 28:23
  Great tune. Like I don't have it, but I know
• 28:25
  where to find it and I stopped on my way up the hill.
• 28:28
  Good. For you.
• 28:30
  You were in love. Yeah.
• 28:31
  Basically, and I just, you know, cried all night.
• 28:32
  Of course. Of course, that's how all those
• 28:34
  parties ended for me. But I didn't have another one
• 28:36
  kind of ever. So that was that was the last
• 28:38
  one. Yeah.
• 28:39
  What about? Attending.
• 28:40
  Others, yeah, we used to have, I wouldn't call them house
• 28:42
  parties, but a lot of gatherings, OK, at different
• 28:45
  houses and apartments, but obviously not like this.
• 28:48
  This is loud music. This is stuff I was more of
• 28:50
  like, we're all going to hang out and listen to some Pink
• 28:52
  Floyd on the radio and talk shit about whatever.
• 28:56
  I will say I enjoyed Can't Hardly Wait better if you want
• 28:59
  to compare. That is a movie that I loved.
• 29:01
  That's more centered around that.
• 29:03
  Like that's a, that's a bulky scene.
• 29:05
  Yeah, it's it's absolutely fantastic.
• 29:07
  But let's talk about this one just for a few moments.
• 29:09
  There's a couple of things I like, couple of things I don't
• 29:11
  like. Yeah, I love the idea of bang on
• 29:13
  a dryer. Yeah, you can let that I can
• 29:16
  respect do some of the. Work.
• 29:16
  Some of the work, sure. Yeah, make sure.
• 29:18
  I would want to make sure there's clothes in there when
• 29:20
  you turn it on, though. I don't want to waste.
• 29:22
  Yeah, sure, you might as well get something accomplished.
• 29:24
  Amy Smart Jules, I love the sweater look.
• 29:28
  You know what I'm talking about. Totally adorable.
• 29:31
  I I absolutely love her look in this movie.
• 29:33
  Very super cute. I could not keep my eyes off of
• 29:36
  her. My wife does not listen to this
• 29:37
  podcast. I don't know what it was, and I
• 29:40
  just know that character. I know that person who will do
• 29:43
  shots with you with total disregard of what it's doing to
• 29:46
  the other person. Just wanting you to end up
• 29:49
  puking really because it's a good.
• 29:50
  Game really. Yeah, so I love that the puking
• 29:54
  itself was disgusting. Yeah, I just think they play it
• 29:59
  for such laughs. Kicks open at the laundry room
• 30:03
  to throw up in the washer. You got a lot of places to go
• 30:06
  and a lot of time. To panic, I think you panic
• 30:09
  sink. You would go to the sink because
• 30:10
  he's near the. Kitchen.
• 30:10
  Yeah, like you're 5 feet away from three other solutions.
• 30:13
  You got the front door, the sink, the ground, the floor on
• 30:16
  its own. Not funny.
• 30:18
  Yeah. So you got to barge in on the
• 30:20
  people fucking you got to do anyway.
• 30:21
  I just was like, I hate. This.
• 30:22
  I hate mine too much. She's like, oh.
• 30:24
  Yeah, it didn't seem to matter. What were your thoughts about
• 30:26
  the guy outside who's been coming to this party since he
• 30:29
  was a a part of the team, I guess.
• 30:30
  Yeah, he's alumni. 20 years ago, did you find the hit to the nuts
• 30:36
  enjoyable? Yeah, loved it.
• 30:38
  Did you really? No.
• 30:39
  No, I thought I. Actually, did I, I should say I
• 30:42
  loved it, but I was like, this is funny because the setup is so
• 30:44
  good. Yeah.
• 30:44
  OK, all right, let's do this. And, you know, this camaraderie
• 30:47
  and then Twitter just fucks with him.
• 30:48
  I'm like, I like anybody that's willing to fuck with him like
• 30:50
  that. It did remind me of the shot to
• 30:52
  the nuts taken by Rick Moranis from the plant.
• 30:55
  That's that's. I don't know.
• 30:58
  Yeah, well, I thought this was funnier.
• 31:01
  Yeah, I would say I think it was made for laughs.
• 31:03
  Yeah. Remind me of Bob Saget.
• 31:05
  Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.
• 31:06
  Did you watch that show? Funniest home videos?
• 31:08
  Yeah, a little bit, yeah, yeah. Did you watch Funniest Home
• 31:11
  People with Dave? Cool.
• 31:12
  Yeah, home. People just funniest, funniest
• 31:14
  people. America's Funniest people, OK?
• 31:16
  You know what I meant. Yeah, of course.
• 31:17
  I just the listeners. Did you find that one funny?
• 31:20
  No, Bob's is better. Bob's is better, of course.
• 31:23
  Yeah. Jeezy as it.
• 31:24
  Was yeah, it's all cheesy and it's all the same stuff, right?
• 31:27
  Just get punched in the nuts. Exactly.
• 31:29
  Do something different, like an oopty doop.
• 31:31
  Yeah, the old oopty. OOP, that'll play a little bit
• 31:34
  later. Phil, I want to take us
• 31:36
  somewhere, please. Anywhere.
• 31:39
  Anywhere but here. You you went on record stating
• 31:42
  that you held a house party once you had been to few.
• 31:47
  But we're not like that. No.
• 31:49
  Tell me about your BBQ picnic history.
• 31:52
  Is that is that a world that you would live in or have lived in
• 31:56
  or have hosted? AI know I have not been invited
• 31:58
  to any barbecues. No, I have not.
• 32:00
  As you know, I lived in an apartment for 15 years and
• 32:03
  there, you've been here all summer, There's no BBQ.
• 32:05
  You have been here all summer. You have space.
• 32:07
  You have a BBQ. I do.
• 32:08
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 32:09
  No, no, no barbecues ever. Really.
• 32:12
  I've gone to a few of those as well, but just never hosted my
• 32:14
  own. I've hosted my own.
• 32:16
  But I've only hosted my wife. I never had that invite either,
• 32:19
  so. Only family.
• 32:21
  I don't like doing that. It's work when you're a host.
• 32:24
  Like, I don't mind the cleaning. I don't like the entertaining.
• 32:28
  Like in my own home. Yeah.
• 32:29
  Anyone listen to this? But I had a family on the
• 32:32
  weekend and I made some kebabs, some chicken as well.
• 32:35
  But but nonetheless. But we get a nice picnic scene
• 32:41
  here. This is arguably one of the No,
• 32:44
  it's not, it's just a scene. But it does have one of my
• 32:46
  favorite actors. Oh.
• 32:48
  You know who I'm talking about. I don't.
• 32:51
  You have to remind me, Mr. Lineback.
• 32:53
  Oh, you know him. I have a confession to make.
• 32:57
  Oh, Richard Lineback. Yeah.
• 32:59
  Was the father Lance's dad? Lance's dad in this movie?
• 33:02
  What it is? Yes.
• 33:04
  Played Helen Hunt's dad in Twister at the very.
• 33:09
  Beginning. He did.
• 33:10
  Yes, he did not. Getting sucked out of the
• 33:12
  cellar. He gets sucked out of that
• 33:13
  cellar real good. Yeah.
• 33:15
  He was also one of the FBI guys in the.
• 33:17
  Jackal. I don't remember that movie I
• 33:20
  put so much of. That out, that's fair.
• 33:21
  That's totally fair. My point is is I did not pick up
• 33:25
  on that. Shameful.
• 33:26
  I am better than that, yeah. It's like if it's a movie that
• 33:29
  we've seen. Yes, it just doesn't.
• 33:31
  It doesn't register, but if he's in something that neither of us
• 33:33
  have seen in 25 years, an episode of Fresh Prince, I would
• 33:37
  have recognized him. But his accent is fantastic in
• 33:40
  this movie. Toss me one son.
• 33:44
  He just nails that line. That's all you need, right?
• 33:47
  There, that's the highlight of the film when he says that.
• 33:50
  And we get a little bit of a special appearance by Jesse
• 33:53
  Plemons. That's his name.
• 33:55
  See. OK, I can redeem myself right
• 33:56
  here. Because you knew that guy.
• 33:58
  And this guy's, what, 1012 years old?
• 34:00
  Yeah. At best.
• 34:01
  Yeah. So we watch him. 30 years.
• 34:03
  Yeah. Well, I mean that hairstyle,
• 34:04
  that hair color. Yes, yeah, yeah, pretty and
• 34:06
  coincidentally in Friday Night Lights.
• 34:08
  Oh, really? There you go.
• 34:09
  Yeah. Boom, done all five seasons.
• 34:11
  Nonetheless, this scene where he breaks his dad's nose.
• 34:14
  Fucking terrible, terrible. I hate this scene.
• 34:17
  I hate this whole scene. Outside of line back, yeah,
• 34:20
  that's right. And that wonderful line, the
• 34:22
  slow MO of it. Yeah, the Dolly zoom.
• 34:24
  They're doing the Josh. Oh my God, what does it matter?
• 34:27
  What are you doing here? What does it matter?
• 34:29
  Van der Beek trying to play hard like that face of Fuck you Dad,
• 34:33
  I'm going to do this. And it just doesn't come across
• 34:35
  as real. And it just lingers way too
• 34:37
  long. Way too long.
• 34:38
  The dads themselves are just obnoxious and maybe they're all
• 34:40
  drunk like we talked about. And what's worse is that it's
• 34:43
  followed up by a sex Ed scene. Because that's what MTV movies,
• 34:48
  right? So let's talk about.
• 34:48
  Yeah, I forgot about the scene. She's hot.
• 34:52
  She's a good. Looker, I didn't really see
• 34:54
  that, but she's so obviously see that.
• 34:57
  She's so obviously nice. Checked plastic.
• 35:00
  Well, I don't that it. To me anyway, It's not a real
• 35:04
  human being. I have a lot of that bookmarked
• 35:07
  so. Just being a health class
• 35:10
  teacher in a small town. It's.
• 35:12
  Looking like that, it's like this is not a real person.
• 35:15
  Yeah, no, I agree. It fits in with what the?
• 35:17
  Movie, I guess, So it's just another example of it, I
• 35:19
  suppose, But it's getting very thin and the only way that this
• 35:22
  character that makes any sense, of course, is if they run into
• 35:25
  her at some point down the road. I don't like the scene either.
• 35:28
  I absolutely dislike. I'll say it.
• 35:31
  I dislike and I'll hate it. Wow, Mox, just naming off yes,
• 35:36
  all the names of the genitalia. Not even normal names.
• 35:40
  Exactly. There's a couple like the the
• 35:42
  yogurt one that I like. I don't know, is imaginative,
• 35:45
  sure. The rest were others just stupid
• 35:48
  or didn't make sense to me. And really, again, obnoxious.
• 35:51
  This movie is just did I ever like this?
• 35:53
  Was I ever like that? Yeah, I don't know.
• 35:56
  I don't like the way he reads it either.
• 35:57
  Like his line reading is so smug and silly and ending with Pedro
• 36:02
  and everyone. Like, yeah, there's a few that
• 36:04
  I'm like, this is not even, they're not even clever.
• 36:07
  They're just. Wordy.
• 36:08
  And the last one with Pedro. Like it was such an awkward
• 36:11
  moment. That's cringy.
• 36:12
  Cringy indeed, but we do find out that Billy Bob's all fucked.
• 36:16
  Up. Well, he's obviously concussed.
• 36:18
  Absolutely. It's clear that Moxon's
• 36:20
  diagnosis was wrong. Yeah, it's on the field.
• 36:24
  It's true or false. Question has been disproved
• 36:27
  here. And he's sweating like a pig.
• 36:29
  Yes, yes. And when I, I think I told you I
• 36:32
  gave blood and passed out, I wasn't concussed obviously, but
• 36:36
  that sort of onslaught of, of sweat and Lightheadedness and
• 36:40
  whatever else, pretty terrifying.
• 36:42
  So you can relate to this, that part I told you can relate to
• 36:44
  Billy Bob, but the idea that that feeling I would have on a
• 36:48
  football field is absolutely terrifying.
• 36:50
  You know, I had it. Fortunately at a restaurant
• 36:53
  floor, I was able to kind of protect myself.
• 36:55
  Was like. The floor clean.
• 36:57
  It was after I was done rolling around on it.
• 37:01
  I was a mop for a while. Nonetheless, Kilmer comes in,
• 37:06
  says you're going to play like just, you know.
• 37:08
  Yes, yes, we finally at the moment where Lance is going to
• 37:12
  go down. Yeah, Billy Bob's all fucked up
• 37:15
  and the whole thing falls apart. And it sounded like it hurt.
• 37:19
  Yes. Did you think that was a good
• 37:21
  like, sound bite? I thought the sound the sound
• 37:23
  was good. You know, we've been critical,
• 37:26
  pretty critical of this movie, The football sounds.
• 37:29
  Were good there it is yeah. I think ultimately the sound
• 37:32
  design is fine. The sound mix is fine.
• 37:34
  It's just the hits and such. I don't mind the sounds.
• 37:37
  I think it's inevitable this happens.
• 37:38
  We're 30 minutes into the movie. If you're looking at it from a
• 37:40
  three act structure you know this is your moment.
• 37:43
  So Harbor goes down and change the whole dynamic, the whole
• 37:45
  complexion of the city. Were you surprised at the first
• 37:48
  play the Moxon made was a 42 yard catch to Tweeter?
• 37:52
  No. Would you expect like you know,
• 37:55
  an incomingly? Pass.
• 37:56
  Just shake the nerves. Yeah.
• 37:58
  No, because he's apparently phenomenal.
• 38:00
  He just completes big passes and he wins.
• 38:03
  OK, No, there's no drama here. It does lend to a good moment
• 38:07
  though. I I want to give credit for
• 38:09
  every tiny moment this movie does have.
• 38:11
  There's not a lot, but there's a few.
• 38:13
  But when he realizes the crowd like how big it is.
• 38:17
  When boxing does, yeah, he gets. His touchdown a little bit later
• 38:21
  and he just looks around and like, holy shit, yeah, I think
• 38:25
  that's a good, genuine moment for him.
• 38:34
  Well, Phil, I think it's time to talk about Ali Larter.
• 38:36
  Yeah, she takes this pretty hard that Lance goes down.
• 38:40
  Yeah, it's her girlfriend's boyfriend, right?
• 38:42
  Yeah, obviously they've made love or tried to.
• 38:47
  That's right, the dryer. The have a throuple with the
• 38:50
  dryer. She's from Final Destination
• 38:53
  fame. True.
• 38:55
  That's after this. Oh yeah, it is one of the few
• 38:58
  horror movies I watched without your.
• 39:00
  Prompting. Yes.
• 39:01
  Wow. Yeah.
• 39:02
  Give me the. They may have like seven of
• 39:04
  those now. Eerie.
• 39:05
  Yeah. Any who gorgeous.
• 39:07
  Yeah, yeah, very pretty. Good looking gal, Good looking
• 39:09
  gal. But yeah, she's Lance's
• 39:11
  boyfriend, but she wants to take it out of town.
• 39:13
  Lance's girlfriend. What did I say?
• 39:15
  Lance's boyfriend. She's a straight A student
• 39:19
  though. I think that's important to say.
• 39:21
  I think it's AI. Didn't get a transcript but I
• 39:24
  trust. You.
• 39:24
  But man, does she ever so quickly.
• 39:28
  Oh yeah, she. Moves on to mocks.
• 39:30
  Obviously at the hospital it's a family thing.
• 39:33
  OK, fine, you can leave. I kind of like actually the way
• 39:37
  she plays that because I think she's ready to jump on the mocks
• 39:40
  train. I respect that.
• 39:41
  Like I get that of. Course.
• 39:43
  But what I think is interesting about that is the moment of it's
• 39:47
  never so clear that I'm just the girlfriend, you know what I
• 39:50
  mean? Like there's those moments
• 39:51
  where, and I don't know if you've ever had that, where
• 39:54
  you're dating somebody or you're with somebody and then there's
• 39:56
  some line in the sand between this is now family as close as
• 40:00
  you may think. You're still on the outside.
• 40:02
  So even if they've been together for five years, it's the most
• 40:05
  important, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 40:06
  She's still not invited in the room it seems.
• 40:09
  I got it more than she just didn't want to be there.
• 40:11
  I She's kind of fighting back some tears.
• 40:13
  I don't think she wants to be there either.
• 40:14
  She wants to go home with mocks, but there's a little
• 40:15
  undercurrent there that I thought was.
• 40:17
  Well, if it was her fighting the tears, she won.
• 40:22
  Gets a ride home from Mox, Changes inside his car.
• 40:25
  You love that. Have you ever been a part of
• 40:27
  that? I've done.
• 40:27
  That a couple of times you have you've changed that.
• 40:29
  On the drive so I had to OK, but another time I've done the hold
• 40:33
  the wheel while somebody else is changing OK it happens.
• 40:36
  I'm sure, I'm sure it does, but clearly she is on the road to
• 40:43
  seduction. Yeah, absolutely.
• 40:45
  But luckily Mox is able to hold off on his urges for now.
• 40:50
  Drops her off at a party. That's the part that doesn't
• 40:52
  make any sense to me. But you're not at 20.
• 40:55
  Someone's throwing it out there like that.
• 40:57
  I can definitely relate to Mox for both.
• 40:59
  Barry Noble. Barry Noble.
• 41:02
  I don't buy it in this movie. I I think it's fine.
• 41:04
  I just, I think it's so unrealistic.
• 41:07
  Unrealistic. Would you think it's as
• 41:09
  unrealistic as one of the kids stealing a car?
• 41:12
  And I mean tweeter a cop. Car a cop car, not just a car.
• 41:15
  Yeah, would. That happen we I.
• 41:16
  Don't know. I think he's an ability.
• 41:17
  Yeah, small town. I think you can probably get
• 41:19
  away with it. Football star.
• 41:21
  He's also drunk. Yeah, he's very drunk.
• 41:23
  And that's OK 'cause Twitter gets fucked up.
• 41:25
  That's his gig, that's his one note.
• 41:26
  And Mox gets his first taste of beer.
• 41:30
  Well, I would say of stardom I. Thought he would just still have
• 41:34
  chosen the coke. You know, just because it's free
• 41:35
  beer doesn't mean you have to drink it.
• 41:36
  I'm. Surprised he didn't take the
• 41:37
  coke. Yeah, I'm sure he wasn't like.
• 41:39
  Well, yeah, I still need the Coke.
• 41:40
  I still need the Coke. Yeah, I've actually have some
• 41:42
  chips later. You don't have beer and chips.
• 41:44
  Like, come on, Pop. It is ridiculous.
• 41:47
  But yeah, Twitter shows up with some naked girls and mocks
• 41:49
  again, Shows backbone like no other, Covers up the girl.
• 41:55
  He gets to be the good guy. He's a good guy, but all this
• 41:58
  him sort of realizing the power that he wields, yeah, does have
• 42:03
  some effects with his relationship with Jules.
• 42:06
  And she's she's there to keep him grounded.
• 42:08
  I think she does a really good job in her role actually.
• 42:11
  Yeah, I agree. He goes to her for advice and as
• 42:14
  you're saying, she's trying to ground him.
• 42:16
  Didn't take. Doesn't always take.
• 42:18
  And he's torn. Yeah, he gets a sense as to
• 42:21
  what's happening with his life and the power that comes from QB
• 42:26
  Oneness, right? QB one this.
• 42:28
  Needless to say, I think it's sort of all getting to his head.
• 42:31
  That's right, all the attention is coming his way.
• 42:34
  Ally Larder's character continues to make her intentions
• 42:38
  known, very known. This scene when he finally ends
• 42:41
  up at the house and. She he knows what's up because
• 42:45
  he's bought the Congress. He knows what he's there for,
• 42:47
  and he's been wrestling with it for half the movie, it seems,
• 42:50
  But it's finally kind of culminating into the situation.
• 42:53
  She comes out in the bikini, one of the two images from the
• 42:57
  trailer that's resonated. I want that life moxes at that
• 43:02
  point. That's right.
• 43:04
  Gorgeous, Breathtaking. I don't like the way this scene
• 43:07
  plays out. I don't much care for their
• 43:09
  dynamic in the sort of seduction part, but I really do enjoy her
• 43:15
  performance and her explaining. Riding his coattails, right?
• 43:19
  He's my ticket out of here. You're going to get your free
• 43:22
  ride to whatever school you're going to.
• 43:25
  And there's a status that comes with being the quarterback's
• 43:28
  girlfriend. Like all of that stuff is tied
• 43:30
  together. And I think that that is the
• 43:33
  most interesting moment of the whole movie up to this point,
• 43:37
  because it's a vulnerability and an honesty and a grounding that
• 43:41
  no one else in this movie has. Like everything else is so over
• 43:44
  in grandiose and caricature. This is like a very self aware
• 43:48
  moment, yeah, everyone's else is oblivious to their own self.
• 43:52
  Yeah, in the world around them and the pragmatic and practical
• 43:55
  view of the world. Like she gets it.
• 43:57
  She's a good actress. I never really saw her in
• 44:00
  anything else other than Final Destination.
• 44:01
  Check it out. But generally in this scene is
• 44:04
  the only time in the whole movie up until now that I found it
• 44:06
  compelling at all. A little Hardy A Hardy scene.
• 44:09
  Yeah. And it's not very long and I
• 44:10
  don't really like his performance in it, but I do
• 44:13
  think that she kind of delivers some goods there.
• 44:16
  Well, she tried. Well, for our next scene is
• 44:19
  going to remove a little bit more clothing.
• 44:23
  Mox, because he's the leader now.
• 44:25
  He's got to be a leader. This is what leaders do.
• 44:29
  OK, I've been in that. Role it sounds like.
• 44:32
  I took my whole staff at the strip club, that's why I'm not
• 44:35
  working right now. He rounds up the main crew.
• 44:40
  Yeah, brings out Lance Brown, Billy Bob, all the usual crew.
• 44:44
  Tweeter. Yeah, Tweeter, of course.
• 44:46
  Is tweeter practically. Lives there, I'm sure he's a
• 44:48
  regular strip clubs. Let's talk about that for a
• 44:50
  moment. I want to know all your history,
• 44:53
  the last time you went, when you plan on going again.
• 44:56
  Well, here it comes. You ready?
• 44:57
  We have to trim some of this because we're going to run long.
• 45:01
  I was in one strip club in 2000 and 5.
• 45:06
  Remember the year, OK? Absolutely.
• 45:07
  It's for my buddy's wedding. Bachelor party.
• 45:10
  Yeah, that Picard. Yeah.
• 45:11
  And we said to ourselves, after doing a couple other things, we
• 45:14
  were like, what do you do? He was the first one of our core
• 45:17
  group to get married. And then we go to a strip club.
• 45:20
  Went to a strip club for 20 minutes, had one drink.
• 45:23
  Yeah. Watched 2 girls do their thing.
• 45:26
  I was like, she's gorgeous. She's really pretty.
• 45:29
  And then we left and that was it.
• 45:31
  I went into one other one OK at 6:30 in the morning.
• 45:34
  That checks out. That's.
• 45:36
  We were shooting a a small little independent film in
• 45:38
  Vancouver and we rented out the strip club and we could only go
• 45:41
  at that hour because there would be no one there.
• 45:43
  So we hired our own actor who was going to play a stripper and
• 45:46
  this and that. But that's the only two
• 45:48
  experience I've ever had in a strip club.
• 45:50
  All right, here are my 2:00 please.
• 45:51
  I have 3 but I'll I'll bring it down to 2.
• 45:53
  Because you can narrow down. The only two that were
• 45:55
  something. First time I ever went, my boss
• 45:57
  took me. OK.
• 45:58
  I would have been 19. OK.
• 46:01
  In town, sure. He told me to go into the room.
• 46:04
  My boss is like go, I went he. Said go to the conference.
• 46:09
  I go to Ed. Sat in there for five songs.
• 46:12
  Wow. Not realizing it's $10 a song.
• 46:15
  Oh, that's how they charge you. I didn't know.
• 46:18
  I didn't have any money. He's covering it.
• 46:20
  And he told you to go? Yeah.
• 46:21
  I think he knew he was going to cover it, but I I thought I'd
• 46:23
  know. 50 bucks. I don't think he realized I had
• 46:26
  no experience in this. My second time I went with my
• 46:30
  girlfriend at the time. Oh yeah.
• 46:32
  She's cool with that stuff. Yeah.
• 46:33
  I see someone that used to work for me.
• 46:35
  She came up to me and said, oh, hey, she was all friendly and
• 46:37
  stuff. And if you want to dance later,
• 46:39
  you know, let me know. 750. Yeah, but I saw her when she
• 46:44
  was, you know, 17. This is a couple years after.
• 46:47
  Actually, this would have been like five years after I knew
• 46:50
  her. OK.
• 46:51
  She's all washed up. No, no, she's.
• 46:53
  She's 23 at this time, but I never did watch her.
• 46:57
  I don't know, got a missed opportunity.
• 46:58
  Missed opportunity really was. But nonetheless, another time
• 47:01
  was the same thing. It was for a bachelor thing, but
• 47:04
  I was more wise. That's fair by then.
• 47:06
  That's fair. You had your own money too.
• 47:08
  Speaking of missed opportunities, these guys did
• 47:11
  not. No, you got the opportunity to
• 47:15
  see their teacher. Yeah.
• 47:18
  Like you mentioned earlier. They kind of foreshadowed this
• 47:20
  with like, wow, that's a nice car.
• 47:21
  If like literally in the next 5 minutes you're going to have a
• 47:23
  scene with them going to a strip club and watching her, then like
• 47:26
  you don't even need, you don't have to bother.
• 47:27
  Why bother? She had the look, She's got the
• 47:29
  look, she's got the look. She's got that's a good song.
• 47:31
  Rock said yeah, yeah, classic. It's really stupid and I hate
• 47:35
  it. This scene, the whole scene.
• 47:36
  I hate the whole scene and I don't think she's attractive,
• 47:38
  you know cuz I don't like fake boobs.
• 47:39
  That's where we go our different ways.
• 47:41
  That's right. So I'm really frustrated by
• 47:43
  that. The fact that they're playing
• 47:44
  the song Hot for Teacher, an old Van Halen song.
• 47:47
  Notice. Yeah, which is ha ha, wink wink.
• 47:50
  You know, whatever she's. Embracing her daytime job at
• 47:52
  night. But if it's like the world's
• 47:55
  best kept secret, she's like, don't tell anybody or whatever.
• 47:58
  I'm like, you're dancing to hot for teacher and you're showing
• 48:02
  up in class looking like you're a stripper.
• 48:05
  Your secret is not that. Good.
• 48:06
  You're right. You're right, you're right.
• 48:08
  So it's really boring. I hate it.
• 48:10
  OK. Well, we'll move away from that.
• 48:13
  We'll move into some more, you know, meteor stuff more.
• 48:16
  Wholesome. OK, like racism.
• 48:20
  Well, that's it, That's it. That is something they did
• 48:22
  dabble with. Just dabble.
• 48:24
  Just. Dabbled, we have Brown basically
• 48:27
  confronting mocks about his lack of TDs.
• 48:32
  Yeah, which are touchdowns, very good fill out.
• 48:35
  That's right. Good for six.
• 48:36
  That's cool. This scene is like ticking a
• 48:40
  box. There is no justification prior
• 48:42
  to this, and not really much after this to explain why this
• 48:47
  matters. It's just painting Kilmore as a
• 48:50
  even worse person. Yeah, that's it.
• 48:52
  But we're an hour into the movie.
• 48:53
  The movie is an hour and 45 minutes, so it's not like we
• 48:56
  don't know he's a bad person. And Brown, on the field at
• 49:00
  least, has made no impact whatsoever in the games that
• 49:03
  we've watched. He hasn't.
• 49:05
  I have not seen a particular showcase of him.
• 49:08
  Tweeter got the two touched. With he threw, but I know
• 49:10
  football, he's he's the running back, sure he's running.
• 49:14
  OK, but the the movie isn't making a big point about his
• 49:17
  talent OR how good he is or how bad he is.
• 49:20
  Yeah, I suppose so. It doesn't make it clear enough,
• 49:22
  but he just doesn't get the end zone Carrie.
• 49:24
  He says all this. I'm saying that without him
• 49:26
  saying that. I don't think the movie is.
• 49:28
  OK, you need him to say it. I don't think the movie is
• 49:31
  showing it. Maybe I'm wrong, but I watch
• 49:34
  those games and I just think, like, I don't know who is doing
• 49:36
  these things, but none of it seems to be what he's
• 49:39
  explaining. You don't think he's lying?
• 49:41
  I just don't think the movie is doing a good enough job.
• 49:43
  And because it's not doing a good enough visual, it's got to
• 49:46
  have a guy say, you know what happens?
• 49:48
  Hey, I run the play 85 yards, get the 25 carries a game, but I
• 49:53
  never get the touchdown. So who's going to recruit me
• 49:56
  now? I don't know anything.
• 49:57
  About football, as we've established, despite you've just
• 49:59
  clarified that. Two time champions.
• 50:00
  You don't even know this guy's the workhorse in the backfield.
• 50:03
  You need him to. Explain.
• 50:04
  I know that that's what that position is.
• 50:06
  I don't know that this guy is doing it on the field, but my
• 50:10
  question is, does the argument that he's not getting touchdowns
• 50:15
  mean that he's not going to get recruited?
• 50:17
  You're displaying talent on the field, but you're not getting
• 50:20
  into the end zone. A good scout would recognize
• 50:22
  that. OK, Yeah.
• 50:24
  He would say, oh look, looks like the coach is racist.
• 50:26
  That's probably what the scout would conclude if he's a good
• 50:30
  scout. That is a good explanation.
• 50:32
  You're welcome. The scouting process.
• 50:34
  Well, you know, fantasy football.
• 50:35
  I mean, those touchdowns help. That's true.
• 50:37
  You know, you're only getting so much, so much for the yards, but
• 50:39
  you're getting a lot more points for those touchdowns, buddy.
• 50:41
  That's true. So we're now we're in, we're
• 50:43
  trying to establish Brown's character because up until now
• 50:45
  we have not had any reason to. So he gets 3 minutes to say.
• 50:49
  Makes you think the writers racist.
• 50:51
  Gets 3 minutes to say I need you to give me a touchdown and the
• 50:56
  way in which he talks about Kilmer being racist and his sort
• 50:59
  of indignity of I thought you knew come on Mox what I don't
• 51:07
  understand any of. That I didn't know and then
• 51:09
  like. Immediately after he's like,
• 51:10
  yeah, we're cool. All because Mox says.
• 51:12
  I'll throw you one. That's all he needs.
• 51:13
  Yeah, they actually use the one they tank.
• 51:15
  They suck. Oh well.
• 51:16
  Right. So he's like, I'll take care of
• 51:18
  you. But then they go to the strip
• 51:19
  club and this is irresponsible. I have no, no sympathies for
• 51:22
  this. Everyone plays hungover.
• 51:24
  You ever play a game hungover? You ever bowl hungover?
• 51:26
  I was hungover for 30 years straight, so I imagine I did
• 51:29
  something in there that was sports related.
• 51:31
  It was always flowing through the veins.
• 51:33
  For a while, yeah, it's OK. Yeah, it kind of hurt my game,
• 51:35
  not going to lie. And it hurt their game, Phillip.
• 51:39
  We'll talk about it now. Like we alluded to, they got,
• 51:42
  they left the strip club at 6:30 AMAM.
• 51:47
  Yeah, AM. Yeah, about the time that you're
• 51:49
  getting there. To do some filming.
• 51:51
  Do some filming? Yep.
• 51:52
  And they have a game later that night.
• 51:54
  Yeah, and they knew that, though.
• 51:55
  They knew that the night before. So like of all the nights you
• 51:57
  can go out, why is it tonight? But now that's the thing where I
• 52:01
  you get, you know, sure, it's not a stupid thing, but what I
• 52:04
  do like about the scene is the song.
• 52:06
  Absolutely. ACDC.
• 52:07
  Yeah. It makes you think that somehow
• 52:10
  they're going to pull it together.
• 52:11
  Yeah, and be able to win the game, but no.
• 52:16
  That's exactly what I thought, yeah.
• 52:17
  I was like this thing, they're like, let's go and finish this
• 52:21
  and they just lose. Yeah, I think it's the right
• 52:23
  move to lose. Yeah, well, to have
• 52:25
  dramatically, dramatically exactly.
• 52:27
  And they just get crunched, they get hit, they fumble
• 52:30
  incompletes. The football Ness of this movie,
• 52:33
  I think holds up. I think it's done relatively
• 52:36
  well. I will.
• 52:36
  I do want to say that. Again, I don't know what I'm
• 52:38
  looking at. You got a small sample size of
• 52:40
  what you've seen other than Friday Night Lights, which is
• 52:43
  not about the lights or Friday nights apparently, but it's a
• 52:47
  good showcase scene. It's one of the scenes that I
• 52:49
  liked it then and I like it now and that, and there's very few
• 52:52
  in this movie, unfortunately. Yeah, it's pretty good football
• 52:54
  generally. And what It is a humbling
• 52:56
  moment. I know you like that, I do.
• 52:58
  It's a humbling moment for the group.
• 53:00
  They've been on a bit of a streak and it's over now.
• 53:02
  Yeah, it is over. They're not out.
• 53:05
  They're still. Going to play for district.
• 53:06
  Of course. But Kilmer's lost his mind.
• 53:08
  He's unpleased. He is upset, understand.
• 53:12
  It'll be so. This man has a reputation and
• 53:14
  you just know a water cooler is going to get knocked over.
• 53:18
  Oh yeah, yeah, exactly. Gilmer's pissed the guys don't
• 53:21
  have the energy. I know you're a big fan of
• 53:24
  energy you need. It I love energy.
• 53:25
  And you're a big fan of crying. That's right.
• 53:27
  So Billy Bob is weeping after the game?
• 53:30
  Yes. And who he thought was his
• 53:33
  father figure. Gives him the boot, tells him to
• 53:37
  leave the room. No sissies here or whatever.
• 53:40
  No room for failure, no room for weakness, he says.
• 53:43
  And a couple of times throughout the movie.
• 53:44
  Says that to Brown earlier. Don't show weakness.
• 53:46
  Like Brown's trying to say, listen, I'm a little battered up
• 53:48
  here. That's the actually the one
• 53:50
  thing that eludes the fact that he's a workhorse.
• 53:53
  Like, man, I'm running by heart out there.
• 53:55
  Don't show weakness, son. I'm tired.
• 53:57
  I'm a little tired. Too bad.
• 53:59
  Tuckered out. He was tuckered out.
• 54:01
  And Billy Bob, correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't take this too
• 54:06
  well. No, he's not a fan.
• 54:08
  He's empty. And that's the thing we talked
• 54:10
  about. This movie does without getting
• 54:12
  unfortunately deep enough to really make it count.
• 54:14
  To me touches on the relevance in this necessity of football in
• 54:19
  its place in people's lives. So Billy Bob is football,
• 54:23
  football is Billy Bob, football is this town.
• 54:26
  Town is football, right, Kilmer is right.
• 54:28
  All of these things are all defined by football.
• 54:32
  So when Billy Bob gets basically what he thinks, I suppose,
• 54:37
  kicked off the team. Ostracized.
• 54:39
  Ostracized. I think that's the right.
• 54:40
  Word. Good word.
• 54:41
  Thank you. It leaves him without purpose,
• 54:44
  without direction, without a reason.
• 54:46
  That is pretty powerful stuff. I don't think the movie is smart
• 54:49
  enough or capable enough to really deliver it, but the
• 54:53
  concept of that is heartbreaking.
• 54:57
  The whole scene where he's on the back of the truck and he's
• 54:59
  he's weeping a little bit. Shooting trophies.
• 55:01
  Yeah, shooting trophies. I'm sure I'm I can get on board
• 55:04
  with that. It's the only scene to Billy Bob
• 55:06
  at all that I find interesting where he says showcase scene.
• 55:09
  Where he says to mocks I care, I care.
• 55:14
  Mox's attitude is I don't give a shit.
• 55:15
  He's got into Brown at this point.
• 55:17
  I've got in. He just found out he got into.
• 55:19
  Brown, there you go. We're all going to be out of
• 55:21
  this town. Who cares?
• 55:22
  Move on. And Billy Bob gets to say I
• 55:25
  care. This is me.
• 55:27
  This is who I am. And I want to win and I want to
• 55:30
  succeed and I want to do this. This is my legacy.
• 55:31
  Yeah. I thought that was his best
• 55:34
  scene in the movie because I believe that it's like Larder in
• 55:38
  her scene, right? Like these things are what we
• 55:40
  are defined by and when you strip them away, what am I?
• 55:44
  That's a powerful question the movie has no interest in
• 55:48
  answering and doesn't even, I don't think know that it's
• 55:51
  asking. Like I don't think it's smart
• 55:52
  enough to know they. Stumbled into the scene.
• 55:54
  Something kind of happened into it, but those things I find
• 55:57
  really interesting and compelling to me.
• 55:59
  Absolutely. As you know, another thing that
• 56:01
  I find pretty interesting, and we've talked about it a lot,
• 56:04
  fathers and sons. Let's get into this best line of
• 56:07
  the movie. It turns out Mox doesn't want
• 56:11
  his life. I'm not going to try to do it.
• 56:14
  You want to do it. You want to try to do.
• 56:15
  It I don't think so. OK, I spent too much time doing
• 56:17
  it back in 99. Two thousand.
• 56:18
  Yeah, so he clearly doesn't want to be like his dad.
• 56:21
  Which has been evident throughout the whole movie.
• 56:23
  It's not news to us that the dad's in denial, clearly,
• 56:26
  exactly. But now that he it's become more
• 56:29
  of a reality, he's got the ticket to Brown.
• 56:33
  The dad is hyped because it's the big final game of the thing.
• 56:35
  He's getting them excited, he's getting them pumped.
• 56:37
  And Dawson, like he just explained, that's when I said it
• 56:40
  said that I don't care, I just want to get through this.
• 56:44
  But the dad is like, these are the most important years of your
• 56:47
  life and says maybe for you, but I don't want your life.
• 56:51
  Those kids are having their time of their lives.
• 56:53
  That's it. That's what Lineback says during
• 56:55
  one of the practices. Meanwhile they're on the field
• 56:57
  bitching the moaner Kilmer sucks and I hate my life and whatever.
• 57:01
  Oh man, the ignorance of it all. So but linebacks.
• 57:04
  Great. By the way, I don't know if I
• 57:05
  mentioned it. You did.
• 57:06
  He's amazing. It would be a heart wrenching
• 57:08
  scene I think in the hands of better actors and if the scene
• 57:12
  wasn't happening over an hour or roughly an hour into the movie
• 57:15
  just doesn't land. Billy Bob is feeling better and
• 57:24
  he got his cat scanned. Yeah, just stupid.
• 57:30
  Just stupid, yeah. But the good news is he's clear
• 57:33
  to play. Yeah, finally, there's clear
• 57:35
  indications he has a concussion. But this the cat worked out, I
• 57:39
  guess. I mean, I don't know enough
• 57:41
  about concussion protocol, but I definitely think it's silly.
• 57:44
  No, tell me it doesn't. Line up, he's already been
• 57:46
  playing this whole time anyway and Kilmer's ultimately going to
• 57:48
  be the judge as to who plays or doesn't play.
• 57:51
  And he already accused him of being fat, lazy and stupid.
• 57:54
  We just need for him to be in good.
• 57:55
  Spirits, he needs to be OK. And good to go.
• 57:58
  They just, they need to clarify that information and this is the
• 58:00
  scene that does it and it's just delivered quite poorly.
• 58:04
  It's it's a pass and to me it's an incompletion in football
• 58:08
  terms at also at this point, Coach Kilmore, it's Kilmer.
• 58:12
  Kilmer. Have I been seeing Kilmore the
• 58:14
  whole time? Pretty sure.
• 58:15
  And you're waiting for this long to correct me?
• 58:17
  Yeah. Well, I don't know what to
• 58:19
  think. A good thing or not.
• 58:21
  Sometimes I just want to let you riff.
• 58:23
  Yeah, I think at times it's time.
• 58:25
  You're kind of like mocks. You kind of.
• 58:27
  Manipulate the situation. Exactly, nonetheless, the coach
• 58:30
  is trying to possibly manipulate the situation in which he can
• 58:34
  mess with his transcripts. That's right, Mox has been known
• 58:38
  to go off script when it comes to the playbook.
• 58:41
  Totally. You don't do that, buddy.
• 58:43
  No. Apparently not even in the
• 58:45
  Madden game. I stick with what the coach.
• 58:46
  Tells me I don't even, don't even try, don't even bother.
• 58:49
  I don't know what I'm doing. 20 years ago though you might.
• 58:51
  Oh, maybe a little PNV in here. So he kind of puts the idea in
• 58:54
  his mind that if you don't do things the way I want, you're
• 58:58
  not going to Brown. Yeah.
• 59:01
  And that's not good for Mox because he wants to get out, go
• 59:04
  to Brown, go to Brown. This is his whole thing, right?
• 59:07
  He's got one chance to get out and it's not football related.
• 59:11
  Doesn't have anything to do with it at all, no.
• 59:13
  That's. He just gets to go on his own
• 59:16
  merits and the fact that Filmer can fuck with him.
• 59:20
  Stakes. Yeah, it's just too late in the
• 59:23
  game for this stuff. To me.
• 59:24
  There's like 1/2 an hour left in the movie ish.
• 59:26
  And OK, so now we got some steaks in the game, but he's
• 59:30
  going to brown. Or is he?
• 59:32
  See, now we don't know, I guess. Are you are you rooting for Max
• 59:35
  as a character? No, OK, I think that's the
• 59:38
  problem with the movie and I don't it's not certainly.
• 59:40
  You don't eat it, but yeah, I who am I rooting?
• 59:42
  For there's no reason for me to be on his side.
• 59:45
  I just like Amy Smart at this point.
• 59:46
  That's right. You want her to be happy?
• 59:48
  Honestly, yeah, I mean different to him and I think that's even.
• 59:51
  Worse. It is worse, Different.
• 59:53
  It's always worse. Because there's other movies
• 59:54
  where it's like, I don't like this lead character but I'm with
• 59:57
  him because of XY and Z, or I really like him I'm rooting for.
• 1:00:00
  Him and difference is the worst possible.
• 1:00:02
  Totally. I don't care about anybody that
• 1:00:04
  I'm watching in this movie, what their futures hold or not,
• 1:00:07
  whether they get out of it or not.
• 1:00:09
  Nobody matters. I want to care.
• 1:00:11
  Do you care that tweeter might have an STD?
• 1:00:14
  He just looks at his cock and he's like, what's this?
• 1:00:16
  Yeah, it's such an easy, nonsensical joke.
• 1:00:18
  But do you care? Well, sure.
• 1:00:20
  I don't want anybody to have that kind of.
• 1:00:21
  Issue. There you go.
• 1:00:23
  So you care. I'm just making sure you're
• 1:00:24
  invested, but you're going to have to care because we have the
• 1:00:28
  big district title game. Yes, yes, it's it's all come to
• 1:00:34
  this. He mocks has a moment with his
• 1:00:37
  girlfriend Jules because he needs a little advice.
• 1:00:40
  Yeah, because he just got threatened by Kilmer and this is
• 1:00:44
  where he's he's wrestling with what to do if he wins.
• 1:00:47
  Kilmer's a hero. Kilmore.
• 1:00:50
  If he loses, then he somehow loses his dignity, I guess, is
• 1:00:54
  the argument and her answer, which I suspect has got nothing
• 1:00:58
  to do except for the MTV soundtrack sales afterwards.
• 1:01:03
  Be heroic, be the hero. Why?
• 1:01:06
  Because there's a Foo Fighter song called Hero on the
• 1:01:09
  soundtrack. I think it's called Heroes,
• 1:01:11
  isn't it? No.
• 1:01:12
  OK, because that's too bad because Ali Larter starred in
• 1:01:15
  Heroes. Oh, there's another credit
• 1:01:17
  you've you've unraveled. Here.
• 1:01:18
  There you go. Hey, very.
• 1:01:19
  Good. I'm on fire today anyway.
• 1:01:22
  So this is like the big wind up speech and it falls completely
• 1:01:26
  flat. I don't think the writing in
• 1:01:27
  this scene. Not Amy's fault, that's just.
• 1:01:29
  Before about this be damned, I just think I at the end of this,
• 1:01:33
  should be feeling something by the movie's sort of structure,
• 1:01:37
  and I feel nothing. And I think that's something
• 1:01:40
  that you should be able to maintain watching it as you're
• 1:01:44
  older. Like I should still be able to
• 1:01:46
  feel something. I might not like certain things
• 1:01:48
  about it because I've gotten older, but it should still make
• 1:01:51
  me feel something. Yeah, totally.
• 1:01:53
  And I agree with you, IA lot of it fell flat.
• 1:01:55
  I wasn't sure if it was a me because you know how I'm dead
• 1:01:57
  inside. You are, yes.
• 1:01:58
  But I'm glad. No, I didn't really buy any of
• 1:02:02
  the struggle. The only thing that I really got
• 1:02:04
  on board with, and you know, this of me is MOX likes a pure
• 1:02:09
  game. And if if you know anything
• 1:02:12
  about me, folks, yeah, I like a pure, like a pure game.
• 1:02:16
  Absolutely no asterisks on my end, no very specific.
• 1:02:20
  Everything is yeah, I want the original loadout.
• 1:02:23
  Exactly sticks with the same gun.
• 1:02:25
  Battlefield. He's got all these ones to
• 1:02:27
  choose from that he's unlocked. Doesn't matter in in board
• 1:02:30
  games, none of the extra little games.
• 1:02:32
  I want the what's the what's the manual?
• 1:02:33
  What's the what's the instruction book say?
• 1:02:36
  That's how we play. Yeah.
• 1:02:37
  And I respect that. Yeah, I'm, I'm very close to a
• 1:02:39
  pure gameist as well. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:42
  The start of this big finale game opens with a helicopter
• 1:02:46
  shot. Yeah, it's a nice shot.
• 1:02:47
  What I found interesting about it is there's nobody in the
• 1:02:50
  stands. It's early.
• 1:02:53
  I guess. But it's like I'm thinking like
• 1:02:54
  OK, this is it's combination. Here.
• 1:02:57
  This is your your energy. It's your last game of the.
• 1:03:00
  Season. Bring it.
• 1:03:01
  Yeah. Your crowd should be the most
• 1:03:03
  excited it's been ever This is a district game or whatever it is.
• 1:03:07
  It's still high school. And it does this big fly over
• 1:03:10
  and there's like 14 people in the crowd.
• 1:03:12
  I would have gone one way or the other.
• 1:03:14
  Either do an empty stadium and make it so it's clearly well
• 1:03:19
  before game, a quiet moment if you will, and then do a close up
• 1:03:24
  where you're in the crowds. Because it is a high school
• 1:03:26
  game. It's not Joe Robbie stadium.
• 1:03:28
  Of course not. You don't expect a Dolphin at
• 1:03:30
  any time here. My choice would be empty and
• 1:03:32
  then close up and it's full. Sure, that makes sense.
• 1:03:35
  Absolutely. This movie doesn't do that.
• 1:03:37
  Not quite ironically. All the characters are over the
• 1:03:40
  top, but the game itself feels like high school.
• 1:03:45
  It doesn't try to feel like college.
• 1:03:47
  It doesn't try to feel like NFLI think it does actually succeed
• 1:03:51
  and making me feel like I am watching a high school game.
• 1:03:55
  OK, that's a check mark. That's important.
• 1:03:58
  I think it is because it's a big part of your movie.
• 1:04:00
  So that's. Right.
• 1:04:00
  A big part of the game is Brown. We finally get Brown to show off
• 1:04:03
  his stuff. And which I've known he's always
• 1:04:05
  done because I know the game buddy.
• 1:04:08
  You know what running backs do? I don't know that.
• 1:04:10
  You know this guy did it all game, all movie long.
• 1:04:15
  For the record, vibes, buddy, vibes.
• 1:04:17
  But he gets a touchdown, 1 touchdown runs a bunch of yards,
• 1:04:22
  yes, and then he pulls a hammy. Yeah, so it's two injuries Moxes
• 1:04:26
  cost. Absolutely, and Brown is
• 1:04:29
  supposedly on track to get drafted, but you're a 17 year
• 1:04:33
  old kid who's gotten apparently one touchdown your entire
• 1:04:38
  season. No, he's got 3 up to that.
• 1:04:39
  That was his fourth. And you're injury prone.
• 1:04:43
  This kids not going anywhere. It's, well, I mean it's.
• 1:04:46
  Not going anywhere. It's too soon.
• 1:04:48
  It's not an Achilles, you don't know.
• 1:04:51
  The guy goes down, it's a hamstring, you're out two to
• 1:04:53
  four weeks. Guy goes down.
• 1:04:55
  It's funny to me that out of nowhere introduced this guy as
• 1:04:58
  being of interest an hour into the movie, and then 1/2 an hour
• 1:05:03
  after that he gets his touchdown, he gets some yardage,
• 1:05:07
  and then he gets injured. All in in the span of five.
• 1:05:09
  Minutes. It's a big game, a lot of things
• 1:05:12
  can happen here, a lot of moving.
• 1:05:13
  Pieces. It's dumb and Kilmer gets to be
• 1:05:15
  pissed off despite the fact that they just got a touchdown.
• 1:05:18
  He was pissed off when Mox got a touchdown last time.
• 1:05:20
  So what the fuck? Why is this guy the coach du
• 1:05:23
  jour? Why does everybody love this
• 1:05:24
  guy? How are you unhappy if you win?
• 1:05:26
  I don't know, I was going to ask you that.
• 1:05:28
  I wasn't sure when would be a good time.
• 1:05:31
  How do you roll your eyes? Oh yeah, yeah, you do.
• 1:05:34
  Stupid, but he gets. A touchdown 3 times.
• 1:05:37
  I honestly don't like that coach role at all.
• 1:05:39
  I didn't want to say no it's stupid.
• 1:05:40
  I love John Boyd, I think he's a great actor.
• 1:05:42
  He's too big for the role. It's like having Tom Cruise at
• 1:05:45
  his peak as an extra in a made for TV movie.
• 1:05:48
  Oh wow, that that big drop. Yeah, get somebody else to do
• 1:05:52
  this. He's there to add the gravity of
• 1:05:54
  the situation because you're like no one else on this movie
• 1:05:57
  has any ability or talent. It's an NFL coach playing in a
• 1:06:00
  high school game. I think that's what the problem
• 1:06:03
  is. I can't buy it.
• 1:06:04
  I can't buy it. I don't like anything and they
• 1:06:06
  shouldn't be selling it. And like you mentioned, there is
• 1:06:08
  some foreshadowing that's been dabbled throughout.
• 1:06:12
  Lance had a lot of scar tissue. Yes, they they they alluded to
• 1:06:15
  that. And that's why, well, you
• 1:06:17
  shouldn't have been. And Kummer's I had no.
• 1:06:20
  Idea. I don't know.
• 1:06:22
  And we now have a situation where at halftime and Brown has
• 1:06:26
  to decide, does he get the shot? Apparently this is like big
• 1:06:30
  moment. Don't do it.
• 1:06:33
  The big revolt, the big fight that we've all been waiting for,
• 1:06:36
  the big kickback against the coach.
• 1:06:38
  What are your thoughts on how the scene plays out?
• 1:06:40
  I was hoping you wouldn't ask. It's kind of what we're here
• 1:06:45
  for. I love what it stands for.
• 1:06:47
  I love the idea of it kids standing up.
• 1:06:49
  Yeah, Tweeter standing up and saying no, yeah, they've had
• 1:06:52
  enough. Sure it's.
• 1:06:54
  Do you feel it's earned? Yes, yeah, no issue with that.
• 1:06:58
  I just don't like how it plays out.
• 1:07:00
  OK, It's not terrible. I don't hate Mox's speech.
• 1:07:05
  It's just pretty. Lifeless.
• 1:07:07
  It's lifeless. He's just not good enough an
• 1:07:09
  actor, I think. I think I know I was going to
• 1:07:12
  ask you that. I feel like I didn't want to be
• 1:07:14
  too hard on him. You know he's, you know, he's
• 1:07:16
  going through some things. I have no problem with him as
• 1:07:18
  like a person is whatever, but I don't think this role needs this
• 1:07:21
  speech, needs some weight behind it.
• 1:07:23
  I don't think he's got any. I think they got a backwards
• 1:07:25
  like the strength of the performance of the coach needed
• 1:07:28
  to be. The player and the player, the
• 1:07:31
  coach, you know what I mean? Like a little, sure.
• 1:07:33
  Or at least split the difference because the difference, Voit's
• 1:07:36
  got 98% and Vanderbeek has got 8%.
• 1:07:40
  You know, we could do a 6040 a little.
• 1:07:42
  Bit I was thinking a 6832 there you.
• 1:07:44
  Go anything like that, but he doesn't have the weight I don't
• 1:07:47
  think to push back and deliver the speech of any interest and I
• 1:07:51
  think the writing of the speech isn't very good so.
• 1:07:53
  It's no win. Situation.
• 1:07:54
  So by the time it's all over, it's supposed to be this rousing
• 1:07:58
  moment of sports fandom or like sports movie Dome, and I think
• 1:08:01
  it just falls completely flat. Especially when you compare to
• 1:08:03
  other like sports movies where you have that totally.
• 1:08:06
  Like, the movie can be pretty shitty, but you have that moment
• 1:08:09
  where you can feel the weight of the scene and it doesn't do
• 1:08:14
  that. And it leaves Voit's character
• 1:08:18
  Kilmer nowhere to go. Yeah, movie wise, he just walks
• 1:08:24
  away. This is in complete pass.
• 1:08:28
  Would he do that? The thing about this character
• 1:08:30
  tells me that he would do that. He would fight and fight and
• 1:08:32
  fight with it. The first time I watched it, I
• 1:08:34
  did not like how it ended for. The coach, the only thing I like
• 1:08:39
  about it is there's about a minute where he is trying to
• 1:08:44
  rally the troops behind us. Complete denial.
• 1:08:48
  And kind of wrestling with that. But everything else around it, I
• 1:08:51
  don't buy it. I don't think that the coach
• 1:08:53
  would do that. I think he would continue to
• 1:08:54
  fight tooth and nail. I think he would sacrifice the
• 1:08:56
  game if it meant he just to keep his.
• 1:08:58
  Ends up walking down the highway.
• 1:09:01
  Sorry, down the hallway. The camera.
• 1:09:04
  Stays on him. Nice shot.
• 1:09:05
  They just want us as an audience to let us know, OK, he's gone.
• 1:09:08
  Yeah, he's out of the book. Like he's not going to come
• 1:09:10
  back. That's all that scene is for,
• 1:09:12
  and it does not. Play well?
• 1:09:14
  Not at all. Not at all.
• 1:09:16
  How do you feel about Paul Walker coming in as head coach?
• 1:09:19
  Whatever. Why not?
• 1:09:20
  OK, there's no reason to not, but other than just trying to
• 1:09:22
  set up whatever the future is going to hold, there's no reason
• 1:09:25
  for any of this. You just said the reason is to
• 1:09:27
  give him that like. If it is to be.
• 1:09:29
  He found his true calling as a head coach, which is nice.
• 1:09:32
  I feel better. The fact that his career is
• 1:09:34
  over, that he's found something, I feel better about it.
• 1:09:36
  Yeah, OK. I feel bad for him.
• 1:09:38
  Sure, it's not happy. It's not, I'm not, you know,
• 1:09:40
  whatever, but there's just the movie doesn't do anything and
• 1:09:42
  the way it ends is just really, I thought.
• 1:09:45
  Shitty. Yeah, so leaves a real bad taste
• 1:09:48
  of my mouth. So this movie never gets
• 1:09:49
  anywhere of interest to me, and it ends with such a boring,
• 1:09:54
  bland sort of statement. Let's say that by the end of it,
• 1:09:58
  I'm completely disinterested in everything I just watched prior.
• 1:10:00
  So it's an hour and 50 feels like it's 2 1/2.
• 1:10:04
  And I walk away feeling absolutely nothing at the end of
• 1:10:07
  it. And those are all like a bad
• 1:10:08
  combination to me. Not good.
• 1:10:10
  So you took it off. You have some experience.
• 1:10:13
  With it, I know you've. Alluded to it where you're at,
• 1:10:15
  end of the movie wraps it up. What are your thoughts?
• 1:10:19
  I was surprised that I disliked it as much as I did.
• 1:10:24
  It was a big decline for my original viewing from. 25 years
• 1:10:27
  ago. If you look at all the movies
• 1:10:29
  we've done in the last five glorious years we've been
• 1:10:31
  together, Phillip, I think this is definitely in the
• 1:10:35
  conversation of the movie that aged most poorly for me.
• 1:10:39
  Wow. For me, anyway, yeah.
• 1:10:41
  Sure. It's birthed in front of me, so
• 1:10:43
  I have. No, there's no growth for there.
• 1:10:45
  Other than Amy Smart just being super cute, that was it.
• 1:10:50
  That's all. I mean, maybe I'm being a little
• 1:10:52
  bit hard on it and there's so many scenes I didn't like that
• 1:10:55
  I'm overlooking a few moments here and there that I did like.
• 1:11:00
  But if that's all there was, then it's not a good movie in my
• 1:11:04
  opinion. Yeah, I really hated this movie.
• 1:11:06
  By the time it was over, I found nothing.
• 1:11:08
  Nothing of value. It was too over the top, sure
• 1:11:11
  every everything was just too exaggerated for me.
• 1:11:14
  It really annoyed me. Very obnoxious.
• 1:11:15
  Yeah, it's garbage, folks. Thanks so much for sticking with
• 1:11:18
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