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A Very Special Q and A: SMNTY at Sea! · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie.
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  Speaker 2: And Samantha.
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  Speaker 1: And welcome to Stuff I Never Told You, a production
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  Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio. And today, we have a really special episode
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  Speaker 1: for you. Another special episode. Because from our recent voyage,
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  Speaker 1: where we went on a trip with Virgin Voyages, did
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  Speaker 1: a show at sea.
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  Speaker 1: About women and horror that had dramatic readings which recently
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  Speaker 1: came out so if you haven't listened to it yet
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  Speaker 1: go give it a listen but we're gonna uh give
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  Speaker 1: you the q a we're gonna uh play the q
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  Speaker 1: a for all of you because the audience was so
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  Speaker 1: great and they asked such fantastic questions and they gave
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  Speaker 1: us such wonderful recommendations for books yes we said it
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  Speaker 1: before but It really felt like we started a little
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  Speaker 1: book club accidentally. And it was awesome. So in lieu
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  Speaker 1: of a book club, since we did do those readings
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  Speaker 1: and we do have recommendations in here, let us play
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  Speaker 1: this Q & A from our lovely, lovely trip. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I think in the last few bits, we have two
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  Speaker 3: people with mics.
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  Speaker 2: The gorgeous virgin ladies over here. They've been amazing.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: If you have a question, raise up the hand, and
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  Speaker 3: then they'll come and hand you a mic, and please
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  Speaker 3: be nice to us.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. To be frank with all of you, we were
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  Speaker 1: extremely nervous about this. A lot of things could have
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  Speaker 1: gone very wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Hard acts to follow, so, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yes.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to stand up. Oh, yeah, my knees. Speaking
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  Speaker 2: of witches and crackling bones.
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  Speaker 1: Whew. Hi there.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, hello.
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  Speaker 4: Hi, I'm in the middle.
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  Speaker 5: So I was wondering, when you were doing your research,
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  Speaker 5: particularly for this episode, but maybe in other episodes, did
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  Speaker 5: you ever come across or have any thoughts about gothic
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  Speaker 5: romance and authors like Anne Radcliffe who really used that
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  Speaker 5: as a way of just showing how women can rebel
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  Speaker 5: against their fathers?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, we have, I love, yes.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my God, you're speaking to my soul, but we're
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  Speaker 3: going to calm down.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to calm down.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, we did come up on a lot of
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  Speaker 3: those stories. I think it was a little harder to
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  Speaker 3: try to condense in telling these stories. We're not going
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  Speaker 3: to say daddy issues. It's just bad dads. We're going
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  Speaker 3: to put it that way, right? Because we know that
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  Speaker 3: puts the blame on the young girls who had to
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  Speaker 3: be traumatized because the dude was like, bye.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, we.
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  Speaker 3: Definitely have a lot of conversations about that issue in itself.
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  Speaker 3: We think it's really interesting, especially when we have, again, like,
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  Speaker 3: parentifying young women, older, talking about sexualizing young women as well.
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  Speaker 3: And that kind of narrative really does trickle down from
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  Speaker 3: this type of understanding that we want to say, oh,
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  Speaker 3: you have daddy issues. That means you're going to be
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  Speaker 3: this sexually or that sexually. But a lot of that
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  Speaker 3: in conversation or just going to be really.
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  Speaker 2: Wrecked in the head.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, sorry.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like I need to clarify that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Thank you for asking that. We do love, we
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  Speaker 1: love like Gothic in general, but also just when romance
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  Speaker 1: gets in the title, a lot of times it's looked
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  Speaker 1: down on because it's been traditionally the domain of women
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  Speaker 1: and that is starting to change. We actually talked to
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  Speaker 1: someone from the publishing industry who was saying like she
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  Speaker 1: was really happy that was changing, but using that a
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  Speaker 1: format like that, similarly to the first two stories we read,
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  Speaker 1: to kind of address those things in maybe a, not
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  Speaker 1: necessarily sneaky way, but in a more, maybe they don't realize,
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  Speaker 1: maybe it's palatable kind of way.
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  Speaker 2: Y'all live rocking. Y'all see me sway.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, hey.
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  Speaker 6: Hi, guys.
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  Speaker 2: Great to have you.
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  Speaker 1: Is that Noel Brown? Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. Celebrity.
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  Speaker 7: I'm curious if you ran into any other tropes that were, like, recognizable. Like,
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  Speaker 7: I mean, the whole stealing from a mystical being, like
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  Speaker 7: in Jack and the Beanstalk, for example. It seems like
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  Speaker 7: there's a lot of parallels with the bag of gold.
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  Speaker 7: And then the morality play of, like, the little red
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  Speaker 7: hen is a story or.
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  Speaker 1: Like, the.
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  Speaker 7: and does the grain and harvest the grain and then
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  Speaker 7: all the other animals try to just eat the bread
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  Speaker 7: but not help her do the thing. I just, I
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  Speaker 7: don't know. And also pushing the witch into the oven,
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  Speaker 7: that's super Hansel and Gretel. I'm just wondering, which came first?
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  Speaker 7: Is this parallel thinking? Are they stealing from each other
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  Speaker 7: or what's going on there?
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  Speaker 1: That's a great question. I wonder if, because when I
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  Speaker 1: was trying to get to the origins of the fairy tale,
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  Speaker 1: The Two Sisters, I found like 15 different versions of it.
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  Speaker 1: And some of them were incredibly violent. Like this one
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  Speaker 1: was kind of fun. Like she got into the oven,
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  Speaker 1: but she was fine.
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  Speaker 2: Cold cream.
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  Speaker 1: That cold cream.
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  Speaker 7: I also love witch errands.
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  Speaker 5: By the way.
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  Speaker 2: Witch errands.
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  Speaker 1: The first time we were practicing this, the first couple
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  Speaker 1: of times, I'd laugh at that part all the time.
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  Speaker 1: And then when she gets pushed in the oven, I
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  Speaker 1: just thought that was so funny. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I laughed at the fact that I had to say
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  Speaker 2: milk me. And I was like, oh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. yes but to your question I wonder how many
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  Speaker 1: it's not necessarily stealing but it kind of got derived
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  Speaker 1: into a bunch of different versions I bet there was
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  Speaker 1: some stealing going on though I.
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  Speaker 3: Mean maybe colonization came into play and that was a
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  Speaker 3: conversation of stealing riches you know maybe that happened I
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  Speaker 3: mean again in the Hansel and Gretel too I would
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  Speaker 3: I would hold to the fact that the witch was
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  Speaker 3: the victim here like the kids were eating her house
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  Speaker 3: come on Well, same.
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  Speaker 7: With Jack and the Beanstalk. He's like a home invader.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Come on.
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  Speaker 1: What are you doing, man?
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  Speaker 2: Get out of my house.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Anybody else? Hi.
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  Speaker 2: Hello.
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  Speaker 3: Hi.
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  Speaker 8: So, I'm an English teacher.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, no.
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  Speaker 2: So, you really.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, no.
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  Speaker 2: What's our grade?
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  Speaker 4: 12th grade.
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  Speaker 2: No, what's our grade?
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  Speaker 6: 12th grade.
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  Speaker 9: A +.
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  Speaker 2: You taught this then, didn't you?
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  Speaker 6: I did.
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  Speaker 1: This is my October.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Paul.
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  Speaker 3: Perfect.
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  Speaker 1: Frankenstein and The Yellow Wall.
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  Speaker 2: Teachers in the House.
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  Speaker 6: Really?
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  Speaker 10: Both?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: I teach at both in October. I just retired, though, so.
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  Speaker 2: Congratulations. Everybody clap.
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  Speaker 8: I was going to suggest two more stories.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, please.
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  Speaker 8: Short story section.
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  Speaker 1: One is by.
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  Speaker 4: Ryle Dahl, you know, James the Giant Peach. But he
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  Speaker 4: wrote one called The Landlady. Are you familiar with that one?
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  Speaker 4: It's a little short story.
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  Speaker 2: You'll love it.
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  Speaker 4: And another one is by, I think it's John Collier,
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  Speaker 4: but it's called The Chaser.
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  Speaker 1: And it's about.
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  Speaker 4: An obsession and love. So I think both are short
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  Speaker 4: stories and also free. You're speaking our language.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Free is good.
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  Speaker 4: But when I taught yellow wallpaper, which I love, just
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  Speaker 4: the whole creeping around the bottom of the room in the,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what she was doing. But I had
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  Speaker 4: my students respond to it through art. And I got
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  Speaker 4: the most incredible pieces from that.
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  Speaker 1: And they came up with all kinds of stories.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the stories that they thought were going on
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  Speaker 4: blew my mind. So it's just very interesting. And I
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  Speaker 4: was also going to go back to your kind of,
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  Speaker 4: the same tale popping up.
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  Speaker 2: We don't know why the same tale.
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  Speaker 4: Like, for example, Cinderella is Ashen Poodle, and it's told
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  Speaker 4: in almost every language at some time, and those people
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  Speaker 4: never connected with each other. So the Cinderella version that's
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  Speaker 4: in Chinese is almost identical to the Cinderella versions in Scotland.
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  Speaker 4: They never connected. So it's just, to me, it's very fascinating.
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  Speaker 4: I'm really happy I got to be a part of this.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for coming.
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  Speaker 1: That's so awesome.
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  Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah, there was so many, like there
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  Speaker 2: was a.
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  Speaker 3: Version of Rumpelstiltskin where it had the witches who actually
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  Speaker 3: was the one who granted this.
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  Speaker 2: A witch to be able to make the gold.
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  Speaker 3: And then she had to be, the ending was, she
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  Speaker 3: didn't know how to make, turn it into gold.
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  Speaker 2: But the witches were like, you just have to invite
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  Speaker 2: us to your wedding. And they're like, cool, cool, cool.
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  Speaker 2: We'll do that. When she got invited to the wedding,
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  Speaker 2: they were like, who is that? They're really ugly.
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  Speaker 3: She's like, oh, so if I keep spinning and make gold,
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to look like them. So you're going to
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  Speaker 3: want me to stop. So that's how she was able
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  Speaker 3: to like get out of that. But that was that
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  Speaker 3: like fairy tale. I was like, I've never heard this one.
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  Speaker 9: Witches.
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  Speaker 2: Anybody else? Oh, we got one, we got two.
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  Speaker 1: Hi, quick question.
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  Speaker 9: I wanted to know what are your thoughts on the
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  Speaker 9: movie Poor Things with Emma Stone?
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  Speaker 1: If you have seen it. I have seen it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I have not. Annie is like the movie goer,
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  Speaker 2: so go for it.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: I have seen it. It's been a minute because it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of meant to be like a Frankenstein take. And
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  Speaker 1: Emma Stone is playing a version of Frankenstein. I think
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  Speaker 1: I had... I went back and forth about sort of the...
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  Speaker 1: her agency and independence and the men in her life
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  Speaker 1: trying to take advantage of her because of the way
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  Speaker 1: she was maturing. Because she was very independent, right? Like,
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  Speaker 1: she goes on to become... like, do her own life
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  Speaker 1: and traveling and she's eating all the best food and
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  Speaker 1: having that... that real independence and separating herself from the creator.
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  Speaker 1: But I guess early on there was a tension in
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  Speaker 1: me about how, especially with the sex scenes or anything
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  Speaker 1: like that, how the men seem to take advantage of her.
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  Speaker 1: So I guess I have that part, but also she
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  Speaker 1: does become really independent. So it's a good arc in
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  Speaker 1: that way. What were your thoughts?
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 8: Sorry.
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  Speaker 2: We like discussion, discussion.
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  Speaker 1: That's totally fair.
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  Speaker 9: I thought it was a really great adaptation of, like,
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  Speaker 9: Frankenstein if she was a girl.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: And how, like, she kind of.
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  Speaker 4: She goes.
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  Speaker 9: In a very bad way, she was like, all right,
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  Speaker 9: if men only view me as an object, I'm going
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  Speaker 9: to be the best.
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  Speaker 1: Object there is.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought that was pretty cool.
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  Speaker 9: Like not objectifying women, but just like taking advantage of
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  Speaker 9: the situation that she was very sadly put into.
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  Speaker 2: I thought that was like a nice.
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  Speaker 1: Fight back kind of thing.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good take.
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  Speaker 1: I like that. Really good take.
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  Speaker 2: Getting your own agency back.
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  Speaker 1: That's a win.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: A win's a win.
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  Speaker 8: We've got one here.
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  Speaker 1: Hi.
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  Speaker 11: So I was actually really kind of struck by the
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  Speaker 11: tropes of witches that you guys have brought up. And
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  Speaker 11: one of the questions I have for you guys is
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  Speaker 11: it seems like across the cultures and across the fairy tales,
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  Speaker 11: it's almost like older women that live on their own
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  Speaker 11: are viewed as like a negative. And is that something
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  Speaker 11: that you've noticed in all the fairy tales? Like, if
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  Speaker 11: an older woman is living on her own, there's an
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  Speaker 11: obvious reason, like, nobody wants to be around her kind
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  Speaker 11: of thing. Or, you know, I've just noticed that in
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  Speaker 11: a lot of the fairy tales, they tend to do that.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely. Like, that's number one. Being old and a spinster, which... immediately,
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  Speaker 3: like no matter what. So that seems to be a
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  Speaker 3: thing that that's the only explanation why you're alone and
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  Speaker 3: not having children, which is what having ovaries means. It
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  Speaker 3: means you have to have children, obviously. If not, you
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  Speaker 3: are a witch trying to eat my baby.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely. I'm going to take a few steps away
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  Speaker 1: from you. No, we run into that all the time.
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  Speaker 1: And it's I mean, in the simplest terms, it is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a woman who's not conforming. There is a
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  Speaker 1: whole layer, though, that is a bit more complicated, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm semi-joking about the cold cream. But when there were
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  Speaker 1: these remedies that women, maybe single women, had, that there
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  Speaker 1: was a real push by the medical industry, early doctors
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  Speaker 1: and such who were men, to.
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  Speaker 1: To just get rid of that and make it seem
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  Speaker 1: like this is dangerous, this woman, you don't know what
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  Speaker 1: she's going to do to you. So, I mean, absolutely, yes,
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  Speaker 1: to answer your question. And it's got a lot more
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  Speaker 1: layers than you might think.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: The other point is, if there's a way to make money,
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  Speaker 3: if women have invented something or doing something that could
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  Speaker 3: make money, that way is to accuse them of witchcraft,
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  Speaker 3: take it away from them, wait maybe a few months,
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  Speaker 3: rebrand it, and then come back and be like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: we got something amazing for you. And then those women
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  Speaker 3: are gone because they have been persecuted.
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  Speaker 1: This cold cream.
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  Speaker 2: Man, cold cream. Good questions.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Hi.
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  Speaker 4: Hi.
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  Speaker 6: The question I have, I wanted to ask to all
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  Speaker 6: the sets of podcasters, but I got the mic this time,
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  Speaker 6: so girls win.
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  Speaker 8: Okay. I'm curious when you're going through.
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  Speaker 6: The process of podcasting the researching the writing all the
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  Speaker 6: pre-steps if there's been a topic that you can remember
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  Speaker 6: recently where you either decided for one reason or another
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  Speaker 6: this is not something that I want to put out
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  Speaker 6: to the world or that you have and the reception
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  Speaker 6: for it was different than you expected in a negative
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  Speaker 6: or positive way just those touchier issues you know.
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  Speaker 2: That's a really good question.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: The problem with me, my background is in social work.
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  Speaker 3: So especially with what we're seeing today as an intersectional
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  Speaker 3: feminist podcast, there's a lot happening and it's constantly changing
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  Speaker 3: and we're constantly trying to keep up with any of
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  Speaker 3: the issues.
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  Speaker 2: Or the questions.
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  Speaker 3: And in my mind, I really want to take it
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  Speaker 3: all on and have a conversation and make it deeper
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  Speaker 3: and make it all these things. But either A, it's
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  Speaker 3: already beyond that, like what we have, because we're a
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  Speaker 3: podcast and not a live show, unlike right now, it's
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  Speaker 3: hard to keep up with the news and how it's
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  Speaker 3: changing every day. Or I have such a big idea
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  Speaker 3: and it's like, oh, this is a 10 hour long podcast.
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  Speaker 2: We don't have time for that.
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  Speaker 1: She is very ambitious. I'm very bad about that.
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  Speaker 3: And I think, like, for a lot of the stuff,
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  Speaker 3: because we do touch on a lot of, like, sensitive topics,
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  Speaker 3: that we try to do it in a way that
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  Speaker 3: is digestible but honest. And sometimes trying to do that
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  Speaker 3: is hard with the topics today. Yeah, and.
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  Speaker 1: We honestly, this was our lighter topic for the, uh, yeah. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: so there have been a few examples of, um, things
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  Speaker 1: that we started and didn't publish. Usually it's because we
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  Speaker 1: realized before recording, uh, in the research process that we
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: really need somebody else to come on the show to
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: talk about it. We're not the right people to talk
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: about it. Um, Which I think is important. That's great.
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  Speaker 1: But sometimes we run into that. As far as fan
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  Speaker 1: reactions go, sometimes things resonate with people that I never
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  Speaker 1: would have thought. Sometimes it can be a random comment
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: and a lot of people write in about it. Somehow
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: we ended up getting a lot of pictures of people's tattoos.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: I can't remember quite how that happened.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: I love it.
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  Speaker 1: It's great.
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  Speaker 6: I know.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: We get a lot of pictures of.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: Dogs because I talk about my dog all the time.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: And I love those. So send me all your pet pictures.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. On the more negative side, because of the content
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: we create, one time we made, this was actually the
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  Speaker 1: video podcast back when we still did that.
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  Speaker 2: Before me.
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  Speaker 1: We did a video. It was a real joke video.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: I've never seen, I think it was from Big Bang Theory,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: but it was a parody of Big Bang Theory. And
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: it was like the hot crazy matrix with women. You know,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: the hotter she is, the crazier she gets. That got
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: blasted in the manosphere. It got like reposted. It was
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: getting all over. We had to get security in the office.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: And of like all the things we've created, of all
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: the content we've created, I was very surprised that that
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: was the one that just took off and made.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and going back to what Annie was saying about
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: the fact that we felt like we weren't the voices,
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: if you're a woman of color, especially black women, and
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: you want a podcast, do it. We need more of
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: those voices. There's so little voices like that. Yes. And
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: it makes me sad because we need that perspective, especially today.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Just an end to saying.
• 18:08
  Speaker 11: Yes.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Any more questions?
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: We got a couple more. I'm not going to sing.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: That can work.
• 18:17
  Speaker 10: Thank you.
• 18:21
  Speaker 8: So this is actually a question and a recommendation.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes.
• 18:24
  Speaker 8: So have either of you read Mexican Gothic?
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: I was just talking about that today because I was like,
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: we have to get our favorite books ready just in
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: case someone asks us.
• 18:34
  Speaker 8: Oh, yes.
• 18:35
  Speaker 10: Because that's very informed by the yellow wallpaper.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: Yes. yes yes sorry y'all give us a minute nerding
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: out but yeah.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Researching for the q a what could.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: That book resonates like it just pops into my mind
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: and you know it's a good piece of like art
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: when you have it just out of nowhere being like
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: where did that scene come or where did that sentence
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: come from and that book is one of those mexican
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: gothic y'all yes good read I think they were talking
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: about turning it into a series or something at one point.
• 19:05
  Speaker 8: They were talking about that. I think it ended up
• 19:07
  Speaker 8: getting dropped.
• 19:08
  Speaker 10: But all of her books I highly recommend because I
• 19:11
  Speaker 10: went back and just started from her beginning.
• 19:14
  Speaker 8: And they're all very different, but they all stick with you.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: I'm going to look.
• 19:20
  Speaker 10: The other is a recommendation that I doubt you've read
• 19:23
  Speaker 10: because it's been out of print for a long time.
• 19:25
  Speaker 10: I read it in college years ago called By Salem Possessed.
• 19:30
  Speaker 10: And there are copies, used copies out on the internet,
• 19:33
  Speaker 10: fairly cheap. But it's about the socioeconomic version of the
• 19:40
  Speaker 10: Salem Witch Trials.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's a deep piece.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: That's a big conversation for sure.
• 19:46
  Speaker 10: And you know, how it was a specific type of
• 19:49
  Speaker 10: woman and living on their own and all of that.
• 19:54
  Speaker 10: And it should have been super dry and it was
• 19:57
  Speaker 10: really actually super fascinating. And it gets into like the
• 20:00
  Speaker 10: politics of it becoming a town versus a village and
• 20:04
  Speaker 10: how all of that played into the hysteria.
• 20:08
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, good recommendation. I don't know if we have more questions.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Just a reminder, we're going to be at the draft
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: house after this.
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. Any more?
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, who are you?
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: My best friend. This could only go well.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: I'll be good, she said. I just wanted to know,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: who are y'all's favorite singers? Female horror characters in literature.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: In literature.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Or movies or games. Or games. That was specific to you, Annie.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: She's a huge gamer over here and I just sit
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: there and like, yeah.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of, this is embarrassing because I
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: can remember the name of the book, but not the
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: name of the character. But we really love Carmen Maria Machado.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: And we love The Low Woods.
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Which is a graphic novel series. And I adored it.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: It's the only time in Sminty history, because we have
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: a book club. that we've done an author twice because
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: we love her work so much. But the main character
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: in that, I absolutely adored. I've said it a million times,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: I love horror, so I could give you... I love
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Ellie from The Last of Us. I love Sydney from Scream. Like, yeah,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: I got a lot. Difficult to choose from.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I can't think of a specific one.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: The Cabin in the Woods character was really, like, the
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: main character.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: It was like, she was interesting. At least she came around. Oh,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: he's really excited.
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: What's her name?
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: I can't remember her name, but I did think of
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: her as the first one. I was like, oh, she's
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: kind of like the sensible one after the dude also
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: was sensible. I can't remember anybody's names.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Perry Menopause. Moody Vedant.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Perry Menopause.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: I think, are we done?
• 22:20
  Speaker 11: Yes.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Thank y'all so much for coming in and sticking with us.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Y'all are the best.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Thank you for coming. Have a great rest of your trip.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: And come to the meet and greet at the Drafthouse
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: if you want to continue talking. And that brings us
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: to the end of this Q & A. Shout out
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: to everybody who went, everybody who asked questions, including my
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: best friend Katie, who I was very scared. Also the
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: literature teacher.
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I was so scared.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: A 12th grade literature teacher. We asked for a grade.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: At first, she's like, I teach 12th. And I'm like, no,
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: what about for us?
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I need validation from a teacher.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Everybody was so nice. And Samantha and I were worried.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Sometimes with an intersectional feminist podcast, you get aggressive questions,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I'll say. Yes. But these were so wonderful. And it
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: was a great experience. It was.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: And for those, I think we mentioned it before, who
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: came to the meet and greet and gave us more recommendations,
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: please send those to us because I'm trying to remember
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: all of them.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: But man, you should have kept the note.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: I have so many. I managed to write down four,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: but we must have gotten at least 15.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there were so many good ones, including a not
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: to read one.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, somebody did give us a don't read this one,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: which is fantastic.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: It was fantastic.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so thanks to everybody who showed up. and participated.
• 23:49
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• 23:53
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• 23:56
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• 24:00
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• 24:03
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• 24:07
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• 24:10
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• 24:12
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• 24:14
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• 24:16
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• 24:17
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• 24:19
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