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Nice Prys Finish Last · Boundary Corner Podcast

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But y'all, how's it going tonight fellas?
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Doing good. Go ahead, Shelton.
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Man, I'm, I'm feeling good. I, I feel, I feel rejuvenated
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after the news on Sunday. I feel like we are slowly and,
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and soon going to start embarking on a new era of BT
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football. So, and I remember saying this
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Saturday night, like I think I think that loss was good because
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it will completely strip everything in that
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administration down to parts. We will sell it off, we will gut
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it, we will get rid of it. We will we will jettison every
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old idea from from the previous administration and we're going
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to move forward with this new era of hoagie football.
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So I'm excited, man. I know it's going to be some
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maybe some some bumpy sees ahead, but I'm excited for the
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long term future. No, man.
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I mean he great way to put it. Great way to put it, Shelton,
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He's smiling. He's been smiling ever since,
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you know? So if Shelton's happy, I'm happy
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because I know he's coming with some factual stats.
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He's not just going to be blind opinionated like I am.
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I don't think it's any secret how I felt.
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Well, I was in Vegas, man, when we just played, ODUI was in
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Vegas. I may have watched like 1/4, but
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it just was. There was no lie, you know, it
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was, it was the end, man. You know what I'm saying?
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It was a relationship where two people have been together since
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high school and you know, they was getting ready to go to
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college and they was trying to figure out, are we going to make
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this work? No, you going to go to college
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and you're going to get fucked. You don't want to be together no
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more. So let's just go ahead and end
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it and still be friends. And you know your way.
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I go my way. So I'm feeling good.
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I'm feeling great. The only thing that I'm upset
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about is that I was in Vegas and I did not go put any money on
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ODU or I didn't. How much money would you have
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made if he was the first one fired?
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You should have put it we told you.
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Yeah, I I should have. I should have.
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I didn't, but so was but. We just told you to go.
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Make it yeah. Was UCL as coach fire first
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though? I don't know, but I think the
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odds for firing you could have got either way the.
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Odds. You would have got some before.
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Yeah, 100%. Not that we're reveling in it or
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anything, just just so you know. But tonight we're not doing.
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No, the enemy is Wofford. Lord have mercy.
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If we have to get to know them, then we, we might be losing our
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shit here, but we are going to tell the truth about a lot of
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stuff that's happened over this weekend.
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And I'm going to say something real quick.
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It might piss some of y'all off, but I talked with talent about
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this. We're going to get into a bunch
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of shit tonight. We ain't getting into who the
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next coach is. OK?
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That will be a future episode. Start with you.
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Ain't no need right now, y'all. We got 10 weeks, 10 weeks until
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that comes down. You've got likely the BOV stuff
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coming back. We we've heard about some of the
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new structural stuff. We want to talk about that.
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And don't worry, because tally me, you, Shelton, I couldn't get
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in touch with you. I'm sorry.
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I don't know what you're doing today, but what we're going to
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do, give us about a month and we're going to bring you all on
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here and you tell us who and why you want.
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We got our opinions. There's people we like.
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Of course, we've chatted about it, but give us about a month.
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Let the season go. Because when I say Tally, I
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don't want somebody be like, I want this guy and that guy go
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look like ask the next 5 weeks. You ain't going to want him no
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more. So give it a little bit of time,
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let it simmer and come back in about a month and we will, like
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we did last week, we're going to bring y'all on to tell us who
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your coach is. We'll keep a tally of it.
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The best part about it is recorded.
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So if somebody comes up tally, that's going to be great in
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about two years, right? Somebody come up in here and
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said that's the coach, that's the coach.
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And they asked are we going to bring you up?
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We're going to bring your picture on the screen and say,
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y'all remember when Andretti said to hire this guy?
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So that's what you did. But we're off on that night.
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But before we get into the firing and everything, I want to
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ask you all questions. Shelton, I believe you would
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have been in school or about to go to school when everything
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started because this is the first.
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This is the three of the ODUS. Which is worse?
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We'll start with Sheldon Tally 20/18/2022 or 2025.
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Which one is the worst? Start with me or.
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Start with you. Yeah, OK.
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Yeah. So for me, I would say, I would
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say 2022 was the worst and I can explain why. 2018, I felt like
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was just a genuine upset where you had a team just played
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absolute lights out with a quarterback that nobody's ever
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heard of, went on to become a church minister.
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Like that was just a team playing their best game, like
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all the collectively the best game of their lives.
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And, you know, lost by two touchdowns.
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But we ended up having a, a 500 season that year.
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So I mean, you know, it wasn't like, you know, it wasn't like a
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major shift, like the trajectory of our program.
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The reason I, I'd say 2022 is because that was the first time
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in the pride era. And there were so many high
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hopes and expectations for, you know, for, for for the coaching
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staff. And, you know, obviously for
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that season that when we saw that horrible performance, and
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particularly considering how poorly Tech played, just the
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amount of coaching mistakes, the, you know, the procedural
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penalties, all that stuff, I felt like it really put a huge
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stamper on what we thought was going to be a very positive
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moment. And I feel like ever since that
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game, there's always kind of this idea in the back of your
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head of like, OK, is this stuff a really.
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It's because they were just so poor that night that it was like
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it kind of, you know, ripped away all of your, your, you
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know, good feelings about what what was achievable for for tech
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football. So that was definitely kind of
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a, a dramatic shift, I would say, in the overall optimism of
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the Hokie fan base. And that's why I'd say 2022.
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What about you, Tyler? Everyone, everyone is is is a is
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a good for that everyone. But but I'll say 25 for me, man,
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it's just because Sheldon makes a great point, you know, makes a
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great point when he talks about 22 went down, but 25 was
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absolutely like you didn't do nothing.
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You know, in the other games, it was like you were kind of in it,
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you know, you had this going good or this kind of you was
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losing 31 to 0 at your house. Like somebody walked in your
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house, you was throwing a BBQ, kicked you off your own grill,
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said you go sit in the bathroom till I finish cooking and then
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I'll bring you a plate. And then they didn't even bring
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you a plate. They just had you sitting in the
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bathroom with a toilet full of dookie.
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That's what happened. 25 was horrible.
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It's been leading up to it. I mean, I guess the only reason
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I would say, you know, man, maybe not, you know, maybe not.
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Maybe it was 22 because we had high hopes, but it's like you
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kind of you you you start off the season with South Carolina
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and you kind of lose at the end. Was it a fluke?
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Then you go up on Vanderbilt. You, you like, you got some kind
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of hope. You feel like, OK, yeah.
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Then you got ODU. That comes in.
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First of all, we've seen the team quit against Vandy, and
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then you're coming to this game and the same team showed up.
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So you didn't want it to happen. But it's like most people who
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have watched the team knew this team has quit.
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You know, whether they quit on the coach or they just quit
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football, like, I don't know. I don't know what it is, but it
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wasn't good and it showed on the field.
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So 25 to me was by far the worst.
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See, I'm I'm, I'm, I'm against 25 needed to happen. 2022 is
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bad. But to me, 2018 is the one that
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they showed there were flaws in the way everything was built
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around the football program because we were ten win, 9 win.
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Could have been even better in 2017.
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And then remember 18, we went down to Florida State, shut them
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out, swag, surf, all that stuff. It was unbelievable.
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And it's like you have this game, you're 2 and I think we
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were ranked 18th in the country. And it was just a meltdown
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because everybody keeps trying to point when did we lose it?
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I think it was right there. You went to their house, which
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you never should have did That happened.
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Josh Jackson snaps his leg, you go six and six.
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See the worst part, Sheldon? That year for them, they weren't
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an 8 or 9 or two. They were four and eight.
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They were four and eight in 2018.
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That game is to me is what the game that that is the game that
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set us back the most. Because if you go down there and
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you stomp them or you just win by a touchdown or two, all
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right, you probably get out of that Series A lot quicker.
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Like we ain't coming down here no more.
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We beat y'all. We gave you a game that ain't
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happening. But it showed so many issues
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internally on the program, and it's just feels like it's been
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downhill since then since then. 2019 was the one blip in the end
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of 2023. So three different opinions on
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that and I see y'all some people are throwing it in here 2018 25
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Sheldon it, but it's tough to like you said y'all both make
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great points because 25 the quit was there tally.
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But like you said, Sheldon, 2022, it's the start of a new
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era. And when he snapped the ball
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from Norfolk to Virginia Beach, good Lord almighty, it was like
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literally, I remember sitting here thinking, watching that
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game because we were all part of it.
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I guess that's the worst snap I've ever seen.
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Had a gas snap that bad like that, that won't like a bad
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snap. That was literally the worst
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snap maybe in the history of football.
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So. Yeah.
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And there's no, there's no right answer.
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Obviously they're all embarrassing.
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I just. Feel like Oh no, no, it's, it's
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all the way you felt inside. Yeah, like, I just, I feel like
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there was a silver lining with with last week's game.
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In the sense that this is. A This is a rebirth of hokey
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football. Well, I guess I guess for me too
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is like great silver lining. I don't trust these
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motherfuckers to make the right decision.
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So I'm still on the fence. I think that it's coming, but I
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don't know, you know what I'm saying?
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I need to see the next the next step.
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So right now in my feeling is that 25 What are we going to do?
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We need to get rid of Pry. We need to tell Wit that he
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needs to go to Alaska. Y'all see it right here.
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Right there. Yes, that's what we need him far
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away from Blacksburg, VA. He needs to get.
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He looks so defeated, man. Like I watched a little bit of a
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press conference. Well, you know.
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What's about to happen? You know what's about that?
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Yeah, he looked like he got people standing outside his door
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making sure he ain't wearing Virginia Tech stuff.
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No, don't put that on, man. Put your suit on.
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Don't let it be my room. I I'm ready for him to go too.
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So I've seen a couple of comments occurred before you go
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to the next John. John Earl, my guy.
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He post, he posted in the chat. He said yeah.
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So I don't know what that is. What is that?
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What happened? Who said something?
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Did I miss some in the press conference?
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I don't know. It just said blaming the past
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regime on the way out was wild though.
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I was trying to figure out what happened.
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I don't, yeah. Let me know what the reference
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is there, yeah. What was the reference?
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I might have. John was on with this last week.
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First of all, Bassmaster, you right?
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Yeah, You you damn right. We, we should not be in this
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situation. Three different ones.
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Three different ones. Yeah, he did snap it to you
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there in the 750. Yeah, I think, yeah, the Ralph's
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tweet that got deleted, that's what when when Ralph's kind of
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blamed the prior regime and everything.
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All right, so let's keep moving and I'm going to say something
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real quick. First of all, did you see the
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shirt I chose tonight? Yep.
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Yep, I'll wear this shirt forever because that guy went to
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the pharmacy. He's like 2 guys.
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It's a cool shirt. It's a great looking shirt.
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But here, so I want to read it if if y'all hadn't seen it, the
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the statement prior released afterwards and basically I'm
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already of verbatim here. So basically on behalf of Amy
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and our entire family, I want to thank President Sands, what
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Virginia Tech community for giving me the opportunity to
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lead the program. Coaching at Virginia Tech was an
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incredible honor and incredible chapter to the outstanding young
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men. Ya ya, you'll get it.
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Here's the thing about Pry. Where we, we, we said it.
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We've said it over and over. Genuinely, he gives a shit about
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the program. Genuinely, he is a good person.
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Like. He's a good guy and and when you
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read the statement, it's like it, it wasn't like it was gone.
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There was no statement. He literally got the guy packed
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up a statement they they put. Out a statement.
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And what did it say? Lily almost said the exact same
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thing. I'm not even kidding.
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Like it was just verbatim. Like thanks for everyone, but
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put it on Twitter. But but.
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Let's let's, let's, let's get this, let's unpack this for just
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a second. I don't want to all the time,
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but just because Sheldon did hit on it and I know a lot of
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podcasts, people have been talking about it.
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One in particular, my guys not going to call their names that
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may not want me to, but they know who they are, have been
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hitting on it a lot because they were big Fuente guys.
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No problem. Sure, I me myself, I'm not
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comparing or blaming the regime of Fuente for pry or vice versa,
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but I can't say. I did tweet on it and say they
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came in at a different time. It was the program was in
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different places when they started.
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They were in different places. The talent floor and ceiling
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were in different places. So I don't think that I want to
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say that the right way and I've been, I want y'all to tell me
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what you think. I don't think that we should
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keep bringing up Fuente. He's been gone.
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Pride hasn't messed up on his own, but Fuente left.
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People think he was a great coach still, which is great for
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him. He left this program in a bad
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position. You know, Pride had a long way
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to dig out of now. Once he kind of got to a certain
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position, he should have been able to build off of that and he
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couldn't. You know, he doesn't have the
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capacity to be a good coach. You know, he may be a decent
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salesman. He may be a decent, decent
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motivator, but he wasn't a good head coach.
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But for people to keep saying, you know, oh, Fuente did this
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and he was miles better and he was just like, it still kind of
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baffles me to think like it does not negate all of the bad stuff
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that he did. He still wasn't, he still did
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some bad stuff. You know, he may have did some
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good stuff, but he still did some bad stuff in it.
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Well, he did better than pride. He still was like it's OK for
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him to be better than pride and still be bad.
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So that's just my spill on it. I'll let y'all take it and
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unpack it there. Well, let me let me put it to
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both y'all this way now and I'll since Shelton kind of tally got
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us here. I'll pitch to you is the program
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as it stands and I'm talking all aspects, is it better?
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Is it any better state than it was in 2021?
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Provided that they can get some new blood in there and and find
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the right to lead them. Yes, it is I, I actually think I
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would argue the program was in a really bad spot in 2020 or not a
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great spot in 2021. And I actually think that's the
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reason we hired pride is because we missed out on some of our our
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better candidates because the job was not perceived as a very
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good job. And I don't think and a lot of
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that to be honestly, to be honest was because of the
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administration. I think there were, there were
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things that people knew in 2021 that they've not know in 2016 as
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and that was how we were able to hire Fuente.
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So I think over time, the perception of the tech job
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became worse and worse. Now I think hopefully if we get,
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if we get the right people in there, it can, it can become
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much better. Yeah, no, that's, that's good.
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Good way to put it. Infrastructure has has an
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infrastructure should change because of this.
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It's got so bad that the people up top have started being like,
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you know what, this really is bad.
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We are going to have to do something different.
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So I agree with Shelton on that. I think that then was a little
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bit worse and that's why I brought it up because I keep
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seeing people trying to go back to this, you know, let's go back
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to four years and different ones.
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They leave it in a better plot. Well, he won more games.
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He had more talent. Those first two years he had,
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the four years he had extremely mortality.
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He got he got left with a a better program.
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You know, even with Frank being at the end of his road and
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couldn't continue coaching, he still had the roster with a lot
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of talent on it. So we ain't got to get into all
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that. I just keep seeing people pop up
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and talk about all of that and I'm just like, we have to for a
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couple. Reasons because a where you
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begin your journey and then where you leave it is a huge,
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huge story in itself. And again, I think Fuente really
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good coach, but he didn't like to recruit.
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He didn't have the best people skills.
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We could see that. That's the shit that as you get
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deeper into your head coaching career, you have to become
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really good at. It's not just coaching anymore.
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That's the shit Prowl is good at.
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He unfortunately couldn't do the other shit right.
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And it sucks. But if you ask me right now, and
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I mean, we, we, we, we talked to people who have connections
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inside high schools. Remember what some of the
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stories were coming out. They hadn't been here in
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forever. We hadn't heard from them.
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They didn't come visit, they didn't come check on us.
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They didn't do shit where this regime was a complete 180.
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I think the next regime, whoever it's going to be, the day they
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walk into any of these schools within the, I know the six hour
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radius, but any big football school that's in our footprint.
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People are going to know. Oh, that's Virginia Tech.
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Oh, they, they've been here three times already in the last
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six months. They're coming to see some.
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And so they're coming. The relationships are built.
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They're not going to have to recreate them.
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They're going to be able to walk in.
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I'll ask the question in a little while and I, I think it's
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going to be one that y'all probably see coming, but they're
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going to be able to walk in and it's going to be a hell of a lot
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easier to recruit and sell the program to where it was at the
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beginning or the end of 2021 into 2022.
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Sheldon, you said it a couple times and we're going to kind of
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jump around a little bit just based on what you said, because
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it is, I think somebody's made new people have said if you
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watch the presser, it was clear with defeated, it's likely going
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to be a full structure in the athletic department.
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The fire, he didn't even get the fire prop.
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He didn't even get to send the memo out as Tim Sands has sent
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the memo out. Shelton.
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How deep does it need to go? You said earlier to the ground.
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Is it all the way to the ground? I think so.
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I think a couple things. Obviously you're going to get
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into AD and with a new, when a new AD comes in, you're going to
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get in your new senior administrator.
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So if you go on the, if you go on the staff director on
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hokiesports.com, you can see all the senior level administrators.
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Those are, you know, your sport admins, your your directors,
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your, you know, chief financial officers, etcetera, etcetera,
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that all sort of, you know, make the kind of run the show.
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A lot of those people have have been there for, you know, some
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10 to 15 years. And so I really think it's time
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to get some new blood in there. That's it.
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They're all bad or anything like that.
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But when you've consistently underperformed and you know,
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you're you're falling behind in the money game, I think it might
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be time for some, so for some outside ideas.
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So I think they'll go on that. They also think they need to
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restructure the Hoagie Club, you know, get more staffing, new
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leadership, more resources, someone that's, you know, has,
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has, you know, fundraising experience, ideally at a Power 4
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level. So I'd say between Hoagie Club
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and the the internal administration, I, I think
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everything needs to be completely restructured.
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Now. Tally anything you want to add
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on that because I'm about to throw the next one which I think
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you will jump on. It is just.
23:55
Real quick, I'll say it then let you throw it on.
23:58
I'm not a politics guy by no means.
24:00
I just feel like when you are in a place too long similar to
24:04
politics, it's time to change. Eight years, you need to go, you
24:09
know what I'm saying? You've been here too long.
24:11
Especially if you ain't doing good.
24:12
Why are we still doing the same thing man?
24:14
Let's change it up. So Sheldon put it perfectly.
24:17
Hey, I'm so glad Sheldon was able to get on here because
24:20
y'all know I get on here and start rambling.
24:22
I just, I just let my protege, my young guy, just get on here,
24:26
kick it to y'all real quick and then we go to the next thing.
24:29
So perfect, man, Perfect Shelton.
24:32
Steers us in the right direction a lot of times, Shelton, you
24:35
don't even know it, man. You don't even know you.
24:37
You steers the right way. But with that being said, we're
24:41
going to take it down to the studs in everything that was
24:44
said yesterday. Everything that was said
24:53
yesterday, it looks like they're Sean.
24:56
It's going to go down to the studs because we're basically
24:58
going to have a whole new structure to the athletic
25:01
department. There is going to be the
25:03
football with what sounds like an NFL structure, which I am
25:07
going to say is probably going to be a general manager.
25:10
It's probably going to be recruiting guys.
25:13
And then the other areas, this is kind of caught my and even
25:17
though this isn't football more of a corporate structure for the
25:21
rest of the athletics department.
25:23
We, we, we talked about it for years here, Mom and pop shop,
25:26
mom and pop shop it. It's gotten a little bit better,
25:29
but it sounds like. Likely with everything.
25:33
The BOV is going to do in the next few weeks.
25:36
It is going to look inside and out.
25:38
Now I'll pitch this to y'all. What do y'all do Y'all think for
25:43
school? Like Virginia Tech, even though
25:45
we're not the biggest, is a NFL GM type model where it's going
25:49
to be AGM? My assumption is the GM, whoever
25:53
that gets hired as is probably going to make decisions on the
25:55
coaches. Is that OK?
25:57
Is that going to work for us? I mean, I feel like you got.
26:02
To have something like that, I don't know the term, but or the
26:05
the name that you put on it, you know, you don't want to just
26:09
throw money to somebody who's not doing nothing.
26:10
But similar to what Sheldon said, you got to have somebody
26:13
who knows football. And I come from the sales world
26:17
and the marketing world. I just feel like our marketing
26:21
has been horrible. I mean, I feel like that our
26:23
social media stuff has gotten better as far as pictures and
26:25
videos, but I feel like the marketing that we've been doing
26:30
has been horrible. Like, I just feel like, don't
26:33
kill me, everybody. I'm tired of hearing about a
26:36
game that we lost 25 years ago. I'm tired of it.
26:40
You know what I'm saying? If you want to talk about
26:42
something, let's go talk about Clemson.
26:44
Show the replay of Clemson when we lost in 2016 in the ACC
26:47
Championship. That's closer to us being
26:50
relevant than 25 years ago losing the Florida State.
26:53
Like, I'm tired of keep bringing this team back.
26:55
I'm tired of keep bringing this up.
26:57
Like our marketing team keeps wanting to build around that and
27:00
the people that's higher up want to keep building on that.
27:03
Let it go. Like we it's over.
27:06
We didn't even have social media back then.
27:08
Like I'm almost 40, I'm old. So if they older than me, they
27:12
fucking old, you know what I'm saying?
27:14
Like quit telling me about nostalgia and bring me into the
27:17
new generation, Shelton's generation.
27:21
They want to see quick tik toks. We want to see people, you know,
27:27
scoring and dancing. We want to see some different
27:30
shit. I want to see winning.
27:31
You know, most people want to see winning.
27:33
But I'm tired of hearing about what we used to do in yesteryear
27:35
and all of that bullshit. Like we need somebody to come in
27:38
and go, hey, I've been around football right now and this is
27:41
how it's being played. This is how you have to attack
27:44
NIL. It's not the same way as it used
27:47
to be, you know? So I think that you do have to
27:50
have some people to do things like that and know things like
27:52
that. I don't know who it is, you know
27:56
what I'm saying, But me myself, I wanted to be somebody
27:59
different. I want to, I don't want to get
28:01
rid of Beamer as far as like Frank Beamer is always going to
28:04
be Virginia Tech. But I'm tired of hearing about
28:06
Frank Beamer every game. But we don't have anything else
28:08
to talk about. Tired of hearing about pride.
28:11
Used to be here when Beamer was here, like it was cool at first.
28:13
It ain't work. Time to go.
28:15
And to be honest with you, I'm going to give Fuente some kudos.
28:20
I think that's why he was like, he was.
28:22
I think he was tired of it too, because they talked about things
28:25
he said at practice when he talked about I'm tired of
28:27
hearing about Virginia. I'm tired of this.
28:29
I think he was just like. We have a.
28:32
This is. A losing program, like our
28:35
biggest game was a loss, you know what I'm saying?
28:38
Our biggest game ever was a loss, and that's all we keep
28:40
talking about. So I'm tired of hearing about
28:42
it, so I'm going to just do something totally different.
28:44
But when he came in, everything was force fed to him.
28:47
He had a he had ADC that he had to keep.
28:51
That was a Virginia. Tech guy, you know, he had
28:54
coaches that he had to keep. Then he had to hire a new DC who
28:57
was a Virginia Tech guy and was a loser, you know, not a loser
29:01
person. But I'm talking about on the
29:03
field. So I just think that he probably
29:05
got tired of the 25. Put it in the rafters, put it on
29:08
some shirts. I'm tired of hearing about the
29:10
25. The lunch bell.
29:11
It's not the same. If it's not the same, stop
29:14
trying to make it that, you know what I'm saying?
29:16
You can still talk about traditions, but create new ones.
29:20
So I'm ready for all that at the end, man.
29:23
I'm ready for somebody to come in and say, hey man, I really
29:26
respect what's been built here. I want to build on this legacy.
29:30
But I think this is the way that we can do that and then let's go
29:32
do this here. Half strippers on the sideline.
29:35
I don't know what the fix is. Y'all want to ask me?
29:38
I know somebody's going to message me and say, well what do
29:39
we need to do? Because you say get rid of sad
29:41
man Yeah, get rid of it. In my opinion, if that's going
29:45
to help us to, like, go into the next stage, sure, do it for big
29:50
games. Do it when we get in prime time,
29:53
like, do something different. Because what we keep doing is
29:56
showing up, jumping, getting beat down, leaving at halftime.
29:59
Tired of that. So that's my rant for right now.
30:03
I'm going to throw it back to you, Curtis.
30:05
Well, I'm going to give Sheldon. 'S opinion on this Sheldon, do
30:07
you like what's likely going to be the new model I?
30:10
Don't think they really have a choice.
30:11
I think that's going to every every team.
30:14
You know, I was I was thinking about this today.
30:16
During the the mid twenty 10s, there was a shift towards hiring
30:19
the sort of CEO type head coaches like Davos Sweeney that
30:23
kind of, you know, aren't aren't as involved as in the X and OS,
30:26
but they kind of manage the program.
30:28
They do fundraising, schmooze, schmooze with donors, all that
30:30
stuff. And that's obviously what, you
30:33
know, kind of got Vt in trouble with Fuente is that he was good
30:35
at the X and OS, but wasn't so much suited for the more, you
30:38
know, the more modern climate. Now, I think because of how much
30:42
responsibility coaches had to take, they're shifting the role
30:45
of the finance part of it to the GM.
30:47
So now I think we're going to see a shift more back towards
30:50
the XS and those coaches rather than the CEO type, which means
30:54
that obviously Tech needs to focus number one on getting a
30:57
coach that can absolutely maximize his talent.
31:00
So I do, I do, I do want to see the, the business and finance
31:05
aspect kind of shifted towards the more managerial side, like
31:08
AGM, director of player personnel, etcetera, etcetera.
31:11
But they, they need to be actual football people.
31:14
Like this cannot be, you know, like, you know, tenured
31:17
administrators within the athletic department.
31:19
It has to be actual hired football people who have
31:21
football knowledge and, and knowledge of business and, and,
31:24
and both of those things together.
31:26
We need to hire actual experienced people.
31:27
So yeah. No, no, no, I think that's
31:31
that's the way. Great way to look at it.
31:32
Shelter. Now, can your coach still be a
31:36
stick when it comes to talking to kids?
31:38
No, but I think you're making a great point as far as they won't
31:42
need to do it all anymore. The GM can find you can have
31:46
people lay down the foundation of the recruiting of going out,
31:50
making the insurance and outs in the schools and basically tally
31:54
you go back to the sales thing is there sometimes in certain
31:59
businesses, there's different levels and effectively you got a
32:03
closer coach is still going to be closer.
32:06
Because if you got the coach who's a good exiting O's guy and
32:09
he can just close the deals, then that's that's what you're
32:12
looking for. You can do X's and O's and when
32:15
you need to step in the room to close the deal, you know what to
32:17
say to the kid because you know what you've done the X's and O's
32:21
on the kid, right? This is what takes this kid.
32:25
If I say this line right here, he's going to come on board.
32:28
So I like the way it's going because personally I think it's
32:34
easy to find those guys who can do the GM type stuff.
32:38
It's harder to find the coaches. Yes.
32:41
There are enigmas like Frank Beamer who have it all, who have
32:46
the personality, who can recruit but also has the XS and OS part
32:50
of his game on. All right, let me flip over to
32:56
this real quick. Back to pry because this is kind
33:02
of the way we go. I had some set up but this is
33:05
how we do it sometimes. In tally we've we've.
33:08
Said it a number of times, but he's been fired now.
33:11
What was his biggest issue? What was his biggest problem in
33:17
the three years? Three games prize the biggest.
33:21
Problem. It was his biggest problem.
33:23
He couldn't finish. He couldn't finish the game.
33:26
He couldn't find a way to win. He.
33:29
Couldn't finish. You could say that it's so hard
33:32
because like I feel like it kind of goes into everything, but
33:35
mainly couldn't finish games couldn't finish with big
33:38
recruit. You know that has other stuff in
33:41
there, but I just couldn't finish man.
33:43
I mean, OK, makes sense I. Mean you won, you won in 12 in
33:48
one score games. It's truthful, yeah.
33:51
It's just. And I hate it because I think
33:52
that he's a he's a decent guy. I don't want to just sit here
33:55
and bag on the dude, But I mean, you couldn't win, brother.
33:59
You know, I hope you you're rich.
34:03
So you go go ahead and do whatever you want to do.
34:06
I'm sure he's he'll get another job somewhere, probably
34:08
defensive coordinator or something.
34:10
But he just was not a good head coach.
34:11
And I think it was mainly because of his closing skills.
34:15
Curtis closing. Skills, Sean, what about you?
34:19
Yeah, I agree. I would say just by far and away
34:23
the biggest issue was the in game coaching and game
34:25
management. You know, I think it was just
34:28
completely atrocious. You know, I, I thought I have
34:31
some, some minor quibbles with recruiting and roster
34:33
management, but I thought for the most part, you know,
34:35
probably was OK there. I just think he absolutely could
34:38
not, could not get the most out of his talent.
34:41
And you know, some of it was development.
34:43
Again, we don't know because we're not exactly, you know, in
34:45
the room, but I just think when you I, I remember arguing this
34:49
actually of last year when pry get rid of those 4 assistants.
34:52
Obviously Marv, you know, the strength coach, coach Crook.
34:57
And I think there was, I think there's one other we I, I didn't
35:02
have an issue with getting rid of the assistants.
35:04
I think we all know that they needed to go and, and, and, you
35:06
know, the tech obviously could have upgraded there, but I I
35:11
felt like. Getting rid of assistance if.
35:14
It was not the end all be all. I think it was a it was still
35:16
fundamentally a head coach problem because we've seen tech,
35:19
you know, if your if your assistants are good enough to
35:21
keep you in close games against good teams and you can never
35:24
finish them, brother, that's AU problem.
35:27
And yeah, Coach. Flintage excuse.
35:29
Me probably just could never get over that like he could just
35:32
could not get over that close game hump.
35:34
And, and you see now, you know, you bring in 50 new kids, 30
35:38
transfers, you know, you don't know how good these guys are
35:41
'cause, you know, you're trying to desperately win games.
35:43
And it just, you know, they, they, they faced adversity and
35:48
they couldn't handle it. And they just completely quit on
35:50
them. And so I think it was just kind
35:52
of a cascade of, you know, the, the, the series of, of loss that
35:56
we suffered from last year and just how that kind of affected
35:59
the program. So, yeah, it was just just in
36:03
game coaching acumen, attention to detail was just abysmal.
36:06
I thought. I think that was the biggest
36:07
thing more than recruiting here, certainly.
36:09
All right, Curtis. Curtis, now before you go into
36:11
yours, I know you're going to bring us home.
36:13
I want the dress. That's Phil, right?
36:15
That's Phil. Yeah, well, Phil on.
36:17
That what what he says. I bet they keep money on one
36:20
more year since the next since next year's schedule is trash.
36:25
No they ain't. That's not having to Phil.
36:28
Phil, you need to go up there and tell them who you are and
36:33
tell them you are moments on the Mori and you will not stand for
36:36
that. But honestly, you know I'm going
36:38
to do it in Alabama. I don't know nothing, but I've
36:40
heard enough to know they understand that can't happen
36:44
like we. We can't be here.
36:45
Like Jason said, he's going to be here in 2026.
36:48
Wit can't be here at the end of this year.
36:50
Wit can't be there. They're.
36:51
Not going to, you know, put till Teal's been saying a lot of
36:54
stuff. He may be right, but I think
36:57
he's wrong. Like wit's not going to be here
36:59
and they're going to they're going to have to hire a coach.
37:01
They're they're not going to be able to do that.
37:03
But the other thing. Is this if we're going to a new
37:05
model, which is not going to be over football anymore, the GM
37:09
will be over football. So if he's here, he ain't
37:12
touching football. Here's my issue, the biggest
37:15
issue of pride tally. I thought you were going to go
37:17
to this and I'm glad you didn't. He's too fucking loyal.
37:21
Too many people way too often. His coaches, you know when he
37:26
when he made those hires of bowling and Marv is like these
37:28
are too inexperienced guys, but these are my guys.
37:32
Loyalty got him there. Loyalty got him numerous times
37:36
when you were saying just bench the guy.
37:38
It doesn't matter who you bring out because you've said it.
37:43
I think we've all said it. If you just bench the guy for
37:45
the rest of the game, at least you get a point through his head
37:49
of I am not afraid to take you off that field if you're bad.
37:52
And he just never could do it. He never could do it
37:56
consistently to where we've seen other coaches.
37:59
You ain't having a good game. Go sit in.
38:02
Well, coach, I'm going to start. I don't care.
38:03
Just sit down, go sit in the corner and think about it.
38:06
If you're a starter, you're going to play better and if
38:09
you're not going to play better, you're not going to play
38:10
anymore. And that was his.
38:13
I think that was his biggest downfall.
38:15
I think if there were time, Ben Bell ripped.
38:18
Somebody's helmet off and was talking trash about how he
38:21
ripped the helmet off to him and the quarterback was pointing to
38:24
the scoreboard and Pride just looked at him like he was his
38:27
little brother and said, man, you can't do that.
38:30
Like, no, that ain't that's not what a head coach does.
38:32
He was definitely too loyal to other coaches, too loyal to
38:36
players. If that would have been a real
38:39
coach like you would have been seeing him get in somebody's
38:41
ass. Like, bro, you can't RIP the
38:43
quarterback's helmet off. Can't RIP nobody's helmet off,
38:45
but you RIP the quarterback's helmet off by getting beat 28 to
38:48
0. So oh, it's true.
38:50
It's. Perfect, perfect.
38:52
Perfect way to put it, Curtis. There you go.
38:55
Loyalty. Loyalty will get you sometimes.
38:57
All right, let me ask y'all this real quick now.
39:01
Right now we're in the 30 day portal window.
39:03
Dante Lovett jumped in it as quick as he could and then you
39:07
get 2026 Thomas Wilder decommits.
39:11
Does any of that shit even matter right now to y'all
39:15
Doesn't. Matter to you, Somebody else
39:17
just be committed too. I don't know, one of the kids
39:20
just be committed a few minutes ago, maybe an hour ago or
39:22
something. I will.
39:24
You know it doesn't. Matter.
39:25
Let me see who it was. But it does it.
39:27
None of that matters because. Don't kill me.
39:30
I'm not saying we getting this person, but if they go hire
39:33
Urban Meyer and Nick Saban, does it matter who decommitted or who
39:36
jumped in the portal? Because who you bring in is
39:39
going to attract a certain crowd anyway.
39:41
You know, even if you bring in damn Mullen or you bring in Huff
39:45
or you bring in something. John Group, whoever.
39:49
You bring in, yeah, whoever you bring in is going to attract a
39:52
different crowd anyway. So people decommitting or, you
39:57
know, people getting in the portal, It, it's part of it, it
40:00
has to happen. I I think we're in.
40:02
An era too where it does not matter as much anymore, right?
40:06
With the portal, with so much movement.
40:09
And I think that you was always an issue.
40:11
Like, how many times did people say you you got to hold on to
40:15
the recruiting class? Yeah.
40:17
And now you kind of think back like that might have been the
40:19
dumbest damn thing ever because what if they don't fit what you
40:22
do? All you're doing is getting
40:24
bodies. You don't need bodies.
40:25
You need people that can play football and in your style of
40:28
football. So all right.
40:31
So we it doesn't matter. Tally's trying to effort.
40:34
Sorry I I had not been on SO KJKJ.
40:38
Gillespie. Cameron.
40:40
Gillespie, that's the big kid. From the big D tackle down in
40:43
North Carolina, right? Yes, all right.
40:49
Oh, he's a defensive. End linebacker.
40:51
Yeah, yeah. OK, so it to me they don't
40:57
matter anymore because I know some people I heard in in y'all
41:00
mind I've seen this Saturday night.
41:01
Do they want to wait a couple weeks and make sure these guys
41:05
can't Portland, Who gives a shit?
41:08
Who cares? Because if, if they're going to
41:11
leave, they'll leave in December.
41:13
Yeah, you got to let the kid. Do what's what they going to do
41:16
for themselves, you know what I'm saying?
41:18
Like they got to try to find somewhere to go.
41:20
They understand it's going to be a new regime coming in and they
41:23
may not, you know, they may not jive with them.
41:25
You know, you see that happen all the time.
41:27
They're going to want to bring certain kids in.
41:29
They're going to want to bring kids to fit their their style
41:31
and what they do. So I don't I don't that's part
41:35
of what happens. A kid is going to get in the
41:37
portal to try to find a better spot for himself.
41:39
To me it's actually. Really good because you get to
41:41
make a choice because by all means Dante Levitt jumped in
41:46
great, that's his choice. Now what would suck is if they
41:50
bring in some stud defensive coach, man, only go play for
41:53
them. Homie, you got in the portal the
41:55
day you could, first day you could.
41:57
And now you go, you have to walk into that office and be like,
42:00
hey, I'd like to play here. Like dude, you left day one,
42:05
right? That's the choice you.
42:06
Make again, these are 18 to 23 year old guys and some people
42:13
say well, you can't let them make No, let them.
42:14
This is how you learn. It's how you learn things in
42:17
life. You make a choice.
42:18
It is it is completely on him now.
42:20
So I really for Dante, I really hope they don't bring in some
42:24
stud corner coach to hope they do.
42:26
I don't need him, but we need it.
42:30
He wants it all. Right.
42:33
Let me ask you all this, just just in general, because some
42:35
people are saying this team has no talent.
42:38
I don't believe that. I think there's some talented
42:40
people on this team that can play.
42:44
Do y'all think this team is is talentless?
42:48
No, I don't think we're. Talentless, I think we have some
42:51
talent. We don't have a we're not super
42:54
deep. We don't have a lot of talent.
42:55
I mean, it's it's been showing, but a lot of that talent that
43:01
may be there, we can't see because we don't have people who
43:04
do how to coach them because it seems like everybody who leaves
43:07
is getting better because they're going to get real
43:10
coaching and then they're doing better.
43:12
So people who are on the roster are talented.
43:15
But you know, is it is it the coaching that the reason that
43:18
they aren't reaching their their ceiling?
43:21
Who knows? You know, Andretti said it no
43:24
heart. You're playing with no heart.
43:26
I've seen, I've seen and again, I said this before and I'm not
43:30
pointing any kid out. I'm pointing this kid out but.
43:34
I seen. Jaden Keller go up in the hole
43:36
and hit OD us running back and get threw off when he outweighs
43:42
him. Probably about 30 lbs got
43:44
through to the side and they get the the running back runs for
43:48
about four yards sometimes. That doesn't have to do with who
43:53
low man wins. That doesn't have to do with how
43:57
strong you are. That kid just wanted it more
44:00
than we did. That team wanted it more than
44:03
us, you know, when you were able to get four and five yards,
44:07
Basil Tooten did it all the time, you know, so.
44:11
I don't know man. It's just, you know, yeah,
44:14
somebody said Kyron sliding before the 1st down.
44:17
He he never, I've never seen him slide.
44:20
Even when he when he dives, he goes head 1st and I'm like, why
44:24
are you diving? Why are you going head first,
44:26
man? You know, sometimes you got to
44:27
get out of bounds and sometimes you got to not take a hit.
44:29
He slid not even thinking about getting the first down.
44:32
That's just no heart, man. You know, that was a team that's
44:35
done. That was for whatever reason, a
44:37
coach that's done, a team that's done.
44:40
There's no heart on that team. So it don't matter if you Got
44:42
Talent OR not. I think we Got Talent.
44:44
I think we have no, no, no heart.
44:48
I I think the most. Jarring thing for me was just to
44:50
see the the quit level, like, you know, to the point where
44:53
like if I'm a player in that locker room, like, dude, are you
44:56
kidding me? Like you, you, you, you So what,
44:58
like you give a couple touchdowns at Vanderbilt and
45:01
then you just completely implode.
45:02
Like if I'm a leader in that locker room thinking like, you
45:04
know, kind of like what what Rick Pitino has said in that,
45:08
that, that that halftime speeches, like who raised you?
45:10
Like you got to be able to deal with adversity better than that.
45:13
So I don't know, man, I I think we've got some talent.
45:16
Like I think that D lines got some dogs, you know, I think
45:21
we've got some good running backs, receivers I think have
45:24
some potential Current to me has just kind of been an enigma.
45:28
Like I feel like he's kind of his temperature is kind of
45:31
whatever the temperature of the team is.
45:33
It's just really up and down. So I don't know, it's just,
45:37
it's, it's hard to, it's hard to evaluate when, you know, you
45:41
just have a team that just does not have any sort of resiliency.
45:44
And the moment that they, they face adversity, they just hold
45:47
like, you know, I think they could, they could play better if
45:50
maybe they, you know, we're, we're better coach and they,
45:53
they were, you know, more passionate about, you know, the
45:55
product they put on the field and they took pride in playing
45:57
for Vt and, you know, playing for each other, but we just
46:00
haven't really seen that. So it's just it's just hard to
46:02
say when you have the when you have those, you know, external,
46:05
those external factors kind of playing, playing, playing right
46:09
now a team full. Of thermometers, everybody's
46:11
gauging the temperature and and let there be no thermostats.
46:16
Ain't nobody changing the temperature on that day.
46:19
I'm telling man, that's bars. That's bars.
46:20
That is that. Is bars man.
46:23
Respect on that tally. Well, well somebody has been
46:27
charged with doing that for the rest of this season and that is
46:31
going to be Philip Montgomery's going to be the interim coach
46:37
and a a lot of people are like why not JC maybe get Fontelle a
46:42
chance in tell you led last time Shelton, in your opinion,
46:47
Shelton made a switch here. The computer died.
46:50
Is it the right move? Is it?
46:55
Yeah, take your time. It is the right move I.
46:57
Think, you know, obviously JC is very well respected by the Hokie
47:01
community, rightfully so, but I think Monty's just got kind of
47:05
got that built in head coach experience.
47:07
So you could tell, you know, at, at his press conference
47:10
yesterday, he, he, he seemed to be, you know, taking a very
47:12
active leadership role in the same, you know, we're looking at
47:15
changing some things, changing the tempo practice, which I, I
47:17
really like. Apparently, you know, the guys
47:19
are playing pretty slow recently practicing, I guess maybe some
47:23
of that was because they were banged up a little bit.
47:24
But I mean, he's got several years of head coaching
47:27
experience. I think he's kind of guy that
47:29
you want leading in your program right now in, in these difficult
47:30
times. The thing with JC is like, OK,
47:33
we all know he's a Hokie legend, but you know, do we really want
47:37
him to, you know, have his have his legacy be potentially
47:40
tarnished if this team goes, you know, 3 and 9 and and how does
47:44
how does he respond if, if they do start losing like that, like
47:47
1 and 11? True.
47:48
Yeah, that too. So, so how is he he able to, you
47:51
know, route the troops in that situation?
47:53
I, I think, I think I, I trust Monty's instincts and I feel
47:57
like he's the supreme adults in the room that kind of get these
48:00
guys together and hopefully win a couple of games.
48:02
I know we're not going to win many, but hopefully we can win a
48:04
couple and win the last one too. No, I agree.
48:07
I. Think that, you know, that's the
48:09
right move. You don't want to be in this
48:10
situation, but here we are. And Montgomery probably is.
48:14
Is, is the guy who out of the coaching staff is the closest to
48:18
being a head coach somewhere else, You know, so he's going to
48:21
probably take it. I'm not saying the other coaches
48:23
won't take it serious. He's probably going to take it
48:26
the most serious and try to build something to to get
48:29
somewhere else, you know, to to go to his next stop.
48:33
JC. He went down to the, you know,
48:36
in the UVA game and he won that and, you know, was emotional.
48:39
And then this is my home. This is that's what you want to
48:43
remember him as you know what I'm saying?
48:44
You don't want him to remember him for what?
48:46
What this bullshit that's going to go on this year.
48:48
I'm going to tell you right now we about to get curb stopped by
48:51
some of these teams. I ain't going to I don't even
48:54
want I'm going to have to watch. You know what I'm saying?
48:56
I got to go through it, but it's going to be bad man all.
49:02
Right. We'll give you all my opinion on
49:06
this because it's a logical 1. In 2021 when everything
49:11
happened, a we had 2D line coaches.
49:13
That was the one big thing. That's why you could let JC do
49:16
it. But it was for a three-game
49:18
stretch. And at that point in time the
49:21
team was, I believe, four and six, right?
49:25
Four and six or five and six, five and five.
49:29
The team, it wasn't downtrodden like this.
49:32
You needed an emotional jolt to that team.
49:36
You got it. They went.
49:37
They banged with Miami for 3/4. They ended up losing.
49:41
They beat UVA next week. You needed the JC price.
49:44
You needed the emotional leader. It's nine games.
49:47
Emotion is not going to get you through nine games.
49:50
It might get you 2 through a three.
49:52
But Montgomery? Eight years at Tulsa.
49:56
He's been a head coach eight years.
50:00
That's what you need. You need.
50:01
Someone with structure, like you said, Shelton, you made a
50:03
perfect point. He's already talking about we
50:05
might need to do some things different.
50:07
And the thing that really always caught my ear, this, I know his
50:09
head coach speak and tell these guys, listen, it ain't over yet.
50:14
We're three games in. You can write your story, right?
50:18
Trying to get that buy in back from him to say, yeah, you got
50:21
in the shit kicked out of you the first three weeks of the
50:23
season. We got 9 left.
50:26
You go back and do something stupid like win 5 or 6 games,
50:29
think what you're going to be, think of people how will think
50:32
how people will think of you, how the next coach will think of
50:34
you, how going through the portal and look at my tape.
50:37
I didn't quit, I fought back. I tried everything I could.
50:40
It might get you the extra 30,000 on the NIL deal next
50:43
year. So I mean.
50:46
It's. Yeah, you audition, you go out
50:48
there and you bust your ass. So I'm, I'm with y'all.
50:53
It's the right move. I think there's no chance in
50:55
hell he is a full time coach and if somebody put that in there, I
50:59
think Phil fucking with us, there's no way he's going to be
51:02
the head coach unless he does something really stupid.
51:05
There's only. 1. If he goes not in, no.
51:07
Man, I'd I'd fucking consider I'm.
51:09
Taking not a no going to the ACC Championship.
51:11
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And if he did that, I mean, if
51:13
he if he does that, you got to give him something, right?
51:16
But I don't see that. I don't see that either.
51:19
I. Don't see that but.
51:20
If it does, you know, crazy things have happened.
51:22
If he somehow just goes on a run and we are in contention for the
51:28
the ACC, I'd be like damn, you know, maybe this is the guy was
51:32
here. They they hired they hired the
51:34
right head coach. They just didn't put him in the
51:36
right spot the year before or the year up.
51:40
Let's get to this real quick. Sheldon, I know you're running
51:43
low on battery. We we we ain't got too much more
51:45
to go here before we hit all my predictions and then big screens
51:49
and we'll wrap her up. So not the longest episode
51:52
tonight, because it's Wofford and God damn it, we better be
51:54
Wofford. But.
51:58
What are your? Expectations for this team.
52:00
There's nine games left Starfoot Wofford this week.
52:04
Wofford State Wake, Georgia Tech.
52:09
Cal. Louisville, Florida State.
52:12
Miami, Virginia. What are your?
52:15
Expectations. Well, I can tell you.
52:17
They're not very high. I was looking at some of the
52:20
numbers from SP Plus right now our our win projection is 3 and
52:24
9. So not ideal.
52:27
We don't know where there's where those two wins are going
52:29
to come from. There's two FBS wins.
52:31
But I would say from a holistic perspective, like just show some
52:35
compete level, like show that you care about, about the
52:37
program and about, you know, playing with that Virginia Tech
52:40
in your chest. And, you know, like I said,
52:42
playing for the guys, playing for the coaching staff and the,
52:45
and the guys that are, you know, next to in the trenches.
52:47
I just think like I, I certainly think they're more talented than
52:51
what they've shown. Now how much better again, we'll
52:53
see, but I don't, I don't want them to to just look at this
52:57
season like a waste. Like we're we're all paying for
52:59
this product, man. Like we are technically we are
53:01
paying your salaries. We are paying for if you are a
53:03
donor, if you're a donor, you are paying for these guys
53:06
salaries. So if I'm going to check out, I
53:08
think does a disservice to donor ticket purchaser.
53:11
Right to the. Institution so just just show
53:13
that you care and just go out there and win some games, man.
53:16
Like, don't, don't worry about the outcomes because we know
53:17
this team probably isn't going to go a ball game, man.
53:19
Just play for pride, all right? Look who is pride?
53:23
Not pride, just so y'all know. Correct.
53:25
Yes. All right, Tally, I'm going.
53:28
To bring somebody's joining us here.
53:30
Look who? Look who's taking a little
53:32
sabbatical from his vacation. This dude.
53:35
This dude is dedicated. Look at this dude man.
53:41
Y'all don't know Brian is on vacation right now.
53:43
He has decided to pop in. I can't tell if he's drunk or
53:47
high or neither or just how. In life, all of them I don't.
53:50
Know no, I'm I'm exhausted is what I am, but I'm here.
53:55
What's up guys? Probably got fired.
53:58
Probably got fired. It's crazy.
54:00
Phil. Phil.
54:01
Phil thinks that. The AD is going.
54:04
To be here in 2026 and Monty's going to be the coach in 2026,
54:10
just for a year. So I need you to call Phil and
54:13
get him right. I know at least one of.
54:16
Those is probably not going to be true, so.
54:19
We'll see what happens with the other one.
54:21
If we win nine in a row, whatever, whatever y'all were
54:23
talking about, then somebody said it's.
54:25
Brian with pry. It's Brian with Pry.
54:29
I've not seen pry in. Orlando I can I can that I have
54:34
not seen pry in Orlando. Oh man.
54:39
Well, Brian, let me. Let me pitch to you.
54:42
What's your expectation? For the rest of the season, 9
54:44
games left. If we win two more than the
54:51
Wofford game, I would be surprised.
54:53
So give me, I think 3 is kind of my that that's my over underline
54:57
three 3 1/2 would be kind of where I'm putting the the wins
55:02
for the rest of the year. All right.
55:05
Yeah, I'd say. Three, you know, if if you get
55:07
3, three wins out of the the rest of the games, I'd be like,
55:10
OK, you know, not that we did good, but it'd be probably
55:13
exceeding my expectations from now on because I'm never going
55:17
to say we're going to lose the to to UVA just because I don't
55:20
think they know how to beat us. It don't matter what's going on.
55:23
They find a way to give us the game, hopefully Wofford this
55:27
week and then you mess around and play somebody like a Wake
55:31
Forest and luck up and win. So I'm just looking at it like
55:35
that, you know, three wins is about what I expect.
55:39
I'm counting here. It's like somebody said like 2
55:43
outside Wofford. Wofford.
55:45
I think we can beat Wake. I think we'll be, I'm going to
55:49
go forward. I think they're going, they're
55:50
going to fuck up somebody's season.
55:54
Probably and and hold on. I don't know, let's let's
55:58
discuss that for a second. If it was one team season we
56:01
could fuck up, who would y'all want it to be?
56:04
It's got to be who it. Is it's got to be Miami for me,
56:07
but Miami, yeah. I would.
56:09
I would definitely say Miami ain't.
56:11
Nobody. But I don't think it's going to
56:12
happen but. I'm just saying like that's what
56:14
we want, right? Like it's going.
56:15
To be. Miami, man, it's got to be
56:17
Miami, right? They're going to come.
56:18
Down here in November and it's going to be like a 41° rainy
56:23
miserable day going fuck up the snaps.
56:27
We'll block a pun or something. Then we go in like 2117.
56:32
Yeah, it'd have to be it. It would be Miami's destiny for
56:37
something like that to happen. 11 and 10.
56:40
And O coming in. It's A2 win, Virginia.
56:43
Tech team. And we just.
56:45
Ruin. That whole season.
56:46
All right, so let's roll on. Is anybody not predicting to
56:54
win? Against Wofford.
56:57
They're O and three, they're literally the worst, I think the
57:00
worst offense in the FCS right now.
57:03
If they ain't the worst, they're pretty low.
57:04
Let's just do like. Let's just do, like Brian said
57:07
last last week, we got to keep predicting to lose because
57:10
that's what they keep doing. So let's just say everybody do
57:13
it this week, you know, if they lose this one.
57:15
You got to just. Send the whole athletic
57:17
department to the moon, to the to the.
57:19
Moon all right, there we go. So hey, it's the it's.
57:27
The It's the Mike Young ball, by the way.
57:30
Oh yeah. Young ball Walker.
57:32
There we go. That there's a program that's
57:35
saying speaking my gun. Can't wait for basketball
57:38
season. At least we've actually got some
57:39
expectations there. Do you think basketball?
57:41
Is going to be good, Sheldon. I think they'll be solid.
57:43
They'll be a solid team. Yeah, you do.
57:45
OK, I. Haven't worthy or bubble?
57:47
Worthy bubble. Worthy.
57:49
Bubble worthy. I haven't.
57:50
Paid attention. At all.
57:51
So I can't hate you. Well, except the Greek.
57:53
Kid, you've been paying attention.
57:55
I mean, everybody's been. Talking about that.
57:57
So yeah, you had to look at that a little bit, but other than
57:59
that, don't know nothing is is Toby Lawal still on the team?
58:02
Toby Lawal still on the. Team OK, come back.
58:05
OK, we might we. Might have some excitement at
58:07
least. Hey, as of.
58:08
Right now, our starting point guard didn't get busted in a
58:13
point shaving scandal. Decided he wasn't.
58:19
Going to play this year or you know.
58:21
Any other? Thing that's.
58:22
Happened the last five. Years.
58:24
I just went to mess that stuff. All right, so we don't have the
58:28
fun graphics this week, but we're all predicting a win
58:31
against Wofford and we don't have the graphic.
58:35
But I'm going to tell you what for me, Brian and Tally last
58:40
week, that kicked us in the nuts.
58:43
Me and Tally went O and four, Brian went one and three.
58:45
Shelton great job 500 for the week on those games.
58:50
Horrible. It was.
58:51
Horrible. So currently right now, Shelton
58:54
leads the way at six and six. I'm at 5:00 and 7:00.
58:57
Brian and Tally tied at 4:00 and 8:00 on the season.
59:02
So don't don't bet with me. Guys, don't bet.
59:06
With Shelton, you'll break even. There you go.
59:08
You know what I'm I'm doing. Pretty good picking these hokey
59:10
games though. We hope you're right this week
59:13
Brian is 3 and O picking hokey game this year.
59:18
So we do have big screeners this week and we were in the chat
59:23
looking at Hey Phil. I feel you, Phil.
59:31
Tell, tell us which game. That's what Phil's going to do.
59:34
Phil is one of our sponsors here.
59:36
You tell us what to fade. Who who are you fading as you
59:40
listen to these? But we were looking this is a
59:44
good week of college football legitimately like, like, you
59:49
know, it's a lot of good games. Nothing like, Oh my God, it's 2
59:54
versus 3 or one versus 4, but a lot of really good games.
59:59
And I'll start it off here. Let's go to Miami.
1:00:03
It's Florida. It's Miami.
1:00:05
Miami laying 7 1/2. For some reason, Billy Napier
1:00:08
thought it was smart to let DJ Lagway throw the ball 50 times
1:00:11
in Death Valley. That man, how he has not been
1:00:15
fired, I do not know. Miami is rolling the built to my
1:00:21
city. Crystal Ball got the trenches
1:00:23
built. They got a quarterback that's
1:00:25
operating efficiently and I'm all straight up say this.
1:00:29
I think they hammer Florida. I think they hammer Florida. 7
1:00:33
1/2 is not enough. Billy Napier is the next coach
1:00:37
fired on Sunday morning after he gets waxed down in South Beach.
1:00:41
Crime man. I'm going to go to the opposite.
1:00:45
Of you, I think Florida keeps it close.
1:00:47
I think it's going to be a Florida team that is motivated
1:00:52
to do they cover them. If you told me Miami was going,
1:00:56
was still going to cover, I think, I think.
1:00:59
They're still going to cover, but I think they're going to
1:01:01
keep it close. Is he?
1:01:03
Fired they would be OK. He keeps the fired regardless.
1:01:11
Regardless, OK, Cali, Miami. Miami.
1:01:16
Napier win that. Game he's fired.
1:01:18
That's basically where I'm at if.
1:01:20
If Napier don't win, he's fired. Well, him and Brent.
1:01:24
Pride are going to be in Bahamas together because he's not
1:01:26
winning. Yeah, I'm pulling.
1:01:33
Up my. I think you're going to say
1:01:36
yeah. I'm taking taking Miami.
1:01:38
I thought that for a second. I feel like Florida is probably
1:01:41
due for, for a win, but like, I also, I don't know, I, I feel
1:01:45
like they're, they're going to tank with Napier.
1:01:47
I just I, I, I don't, I don't get good vibes from that
1:01:50
program. So they quit.
1:01:52
Yeah, I really like. My Are they quitting Saturday?
1:01:55
Night. I think so too, I think.
1:01:56
They're going to, I think they're going to throw in the
1:01:57
towels. So I got Miami.
1:01:58
Miami. All right, tally you up next.
1:02:01
What's your game, big guy? My game.
1:02:04
Was did I pick Auburn and Oklahoma?
1:02:08
You did. And Oklahoma -7 1/2 my second
1:02:12
favorite. Team Auburn, you know, But guess
1:02:15
what? I think they're going to lose.
1:02:17
I got I got Oklahoma, man. I just think that Auburn, again,
1:02:23
I do pay attention to Auburn probably the second most out of
1:02:27
all teams besides Virginia Tech. And Auburn has just been running
1:02:31
the ball for some reason. They had really good wide
1:02:34
receivers and they have not used them at all.
1:02:37
So I think this is going to be a week that they use them.
1:02:39
And if you haven't been using them, I don't know what you look
1:02:43
like. So I think Oklahoma's going to
1:02:45
get it, Sheldon. Jimmy.
1:02:48
Oklahoma. All right, that's a.
1:02:53
Change in the pic there you had all the shoot.
1:02:56
Dang it, Dang it. Oh, I was reading off the wrong.
1:02:59
See, this is what happens when I don't prepare.
1:03:03
You're not preparing. You're.
1:03:04
Still really good, Sheldon. Because I was.
1:03:06
It's because I was reading. Off Tally's Tally's thing, not
1:03:09
mine. Yes, I am taking Auburn.
1:03:11
I do remember I picked Auburn. But hey, who cares?
1:03:13
I just hope it's a good game. I think it will be.
1:03:17
Brian. Yeah, give me Auburn as.
1:03:19
Well, I. Think it's going to be a good
1:03:22
game? But I think Auburn's going to
1:03:23
come to play. They looked a little bit better
1:03:24
last week so. Let's see.
1:03:28
I'm around with Tally on this one.
1:03:29
I think Oklahoma's going to win. It's in Oklahoma.
1:03:33
John Mateer and his arm angle throws is unbelievable.
1:03:37
I think he lights up that defense.
1:03:39
I still think it's a good game. I think it's going to be a
1:03:41
shootout like 3828. Oklahoma pulls away an
1:03:47
entertaining game on Saturday night.
1:03:50
Luckily our game's at 12 so I can enjoy the rest of the day
1:03:53
all righty. Shelton.
1:03:57
Let's go. I am.
1:03:59
Super excited about this game at Texas.
1:04:01
Texas Tech against Utah for some reason.
1:04:03
It's a 10 AM local kick. I don't ask me about that. 12
1:04:07
PM. 12:00 PM. For us normal people on the East
1:04:09
Coast, I, I went Utah. They're sort of like my closet
1:04:13
team just because I want Virginia Tech to be like them.
1:04:16
So I I am going with the Utah youths.
1:04:20
And that line is -3 1/2, Shelton taking the point they're laying
1:04:24
3 1/2, say, in Utah. I'm with you on this one,
1:04:30
Shelton. I do believe that Texas Tech,
1:04:34
they paid a lot of money it a 10 AM kick.
1:04:39
That's. Miserable.
1:04:41
I don't care who you are. That's miserable.
1:04:43
You can't tailgate or unless you get there, like 4:00 AM, the
1:04:47
game's over by like one or two. So Utah.
1:04:52
Utah by a touchdown. The money don't pay for wins,
1:04:58
Ryan. Yeah, give me Utah.
1:05:01
As well, I think, I think they almost win.
1:05:04
That's going away. Not not quite a blowout, but it
1:05:07
could be at least 2 touchdowns. All right, Texas Tech.
1:05:13
Grand, We're going to go with the Red Raiders.
1:05:16
They're going to be inspired by Michael Crabtree and go get a
1:05:19
win all. Right there we go.
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Got that. Three of us on Utah.
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Cali says guns up. That's one of my closet teams.
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I'm all I like Texas Tech when Mike Bleach was there.
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Guns up, baby, guns up. Brian, you got the last one.
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Where are we going, man? We're we're heading.
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To Indiana man Illinois, Indiana.
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Baby. Yeah, maybe, maybe a.
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Future hokey coach in this game, but I've got I've got Indiana
1:05:49
taking this one. Is Indiana. -5 1/2 Brian takes
1:05:54
Indiana who who did the whoever did the 2GO next?
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Is that he? It was me.
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I don't think that I, I seen a couple people put that in the
1:06:03
chat earlier saying seeing to to VTi don't see it, but who knows,
1:06:09
man, money talks. So I'm going to say Indiana,
1:06:12
though I think Indiana's going to take this one.
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Shelton. Yeah, remind me what?
1:06:17
The spread is because I can't see it on mobile.
1:06:19
It's 5. And a half and you texted me
1:06:23
earlier. Illinois, yes, right.
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Yeah. No, I'm taking Illinois.
1:06:28
The reason being is the thing I'm concerned about Indiana is
1:06:31
that they've not been challenged at all and they're now going to
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face a top ten team. I just don't like the way that
1:06:36
the game is set up because they've played three absolute
1:06:39
cream puffs to this point of the season.
1:06:41
O do. You.
1:06:43
Yeah, well. To be fair, O do you, hey, no
1:06:45
one O do you will walk into Wayne Stadium.
1:06:47
They'll whip you around. So respect O do you.
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But otherwise, yes. Oh my God, Ed Shelton, I'm
1:06:55
running along with you. I like Illinois in this game
1:06:58
with it. If if they were laying 5 1/2, I
1:07:01
like them. I think Illinois is the better
1:07:02
team. Illinois.
1:07:04
I don't think this is a great Duke team.
1:07:08
I think it's a solid Duke team and they basically punched them
1:07:13
and then just ran away from later 4519 earlier this year.
1:07:18
Brett Bieber looking coach. He always has been.
1:07:21
Able to coach, he's always had good philosophies.
1:07:24
He is a good head coach. I think he would have done good
1:07:27
at Virginia Tech. I think Kirk Cignetti would do
1:07:29
good at Virginia Tech because they can coach football. 5 1/2
1:07:32
Give me that Illinois win at least 5 touchdowns.
1:07:36
So so there it is. No cool graphic this week
1:07:39
because Brian's on vacay down in Orlando, Cal Anybody else at the
1:07:46
portal or anybody else decommitted?
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No, not that I. See, I mean, I expect to see a
1:07:51
couple of them of it happening here soon.
1:07:54
But you know, we get Nick Saban. Everybody will come back.
1:07:57
So don't worry about it. Everybody will come back.
1:07:59
Nick Saban, That's it. He, he needs he, he was born and
1:08:03
raised in West Virginia. That's the closest thing he can
1:08:05
come as Virginia Tech to retire for a few last seasons.
1:08:09
So there we go. All right with that.
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That does wrap up this episode of the Boundary Corner Podcast
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