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Birds Weekly: Didinger, Gunn Say Eagles Problems From Weeks 1-4 Couldn't Be Covered Up · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hi wants again. Everybody, thank you for latching on to
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Speaker 1: the latest edition of Birds Weekly. It is presented by
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Speaker 1: the Inside the Birds Network. That man is the guru
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Speaker 1: of Eagles football. Ray didn't youer? I'm Derek Gunn and
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Speaker 1: the Eagles. Oh my goods, not just the Eagles. What
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Speaker 1: a horrible weekend for sports fans in this region. From
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Speaker 1: Penn State getting upset by a winless team to the
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Speaker 1: Phillies losing game one, and then of course there's the
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Speaker 1: Eagles where Lady Luckett shining on them for four consecutive games,
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Speaker 1: but she frowned on them in game number five against
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Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos and raid you know, for the fifth
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Speaker 1: consecutive game. This offense does not play a complete four quarters.
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Speaker 1: And the thing that perplexes me is, unlike the defense,
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Speaker 1: the offense basically came back relatively intact. Everybody was back
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Speaker 1: from a year ago. But yet this can't seem to
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Speaker 1: put it together for sixty minutes of football. I've given
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Speaker 1: my opinion time and time again. I'll give it again,
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Speaker 1: but after you so you have the floor.
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean we've talked about it every week. I mean,
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Speaker 2: even though the only thing that's different about this week
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Speaker 2: is they lost, but a lot of the same problems
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Speaker 2: were there the four previous weeks. It's just that kind
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Speaker 2: of got papered over by the fact that they won.
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Speaker 2: But it's nothing new. I mean a lot of these
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Speaker 2: same problems were out there. Run defense has not been
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Speaker 2: good all year, and it came back and haunch of
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Speaker 2: this game. Passing game has been up and down, more
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Speaker 2: down than up, and you five weeks in, you still
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Speaker 2: haven't gotten Saquon barklay on track, all of those things.
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Speaker 2: And you know, for four weeks they were able to win,
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Speaker 2: and nobody wanted to hear about those issues. Everybody's want
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Speaker 2: to say, you know, the four four to zero, you
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Speaker 2: know one twenty out of twenty one and all that stuff,
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Speaker 2: what are you complaining about? And you and I were
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Speaker 2: kind kind of you know these people voices in the
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Speaker 2: wilderness saying, no, I think you got to sort of
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Speaker 2: look at something problems here because at some point they're
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Speaker 2: going to come back and bite you. In fact, remember
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Speaker 2: when you and I did the show last week and
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Speaker 2: you were asked me for prediction. I said, I'm I'm
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Speaker 2: really feeling about that the Broncos could win this game.
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Speaker 2: And I said, LOUI I can't. I can't and good
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Speaker 2: conscience pick against the Eagles until I actually see him
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Speaker 2: lose a game. Okay, but I just had a feeling,
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Speaker 2: Derek coming into this, I had a feeling it was
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Speaker 2: a bad matchup the Denver team. Everybody's looking at two
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Speaker 2: and two, not that great, two losses on the road,
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Speaker 2: the fact that the Broncos have not been a factor
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Speaker 2: in a long time. I think the people in Philadelphia
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Speaker 2: kind of lost track of just how good this team
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Speaker 2: was and how much on the come they are under
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Speaker 2: Sean Payton, and especially that defense. I mean, they had
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Speaker 2: two really good corners and Moss, and they have two
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Speaker 2: terrific edge rushers and led the Lincoln sacks last year
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Speaker 2: and are on their way to leading the league of
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Speaker 2: sacks this year. I mean, they can play. And you know,
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Speaker 2: they have a young quarterback, but he's a young quarterback
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Speaker 2: who plays like a veteran quarterback. So I just saw
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Speaker 2: that this was this was a this is one hundred
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Speaker 2: yards of land mines waiting in front of the Eagles
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Speaker 2: in this game, and it came back and it got them.
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Speaker 2: And you know, you can always say, and we should
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Speaker 2: probably say in fairness, you know they are four and one.
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Speaker 2: You know they're going through a tough part of their schedule.
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Speaker 2: We all agreed coming into the year is a tough
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Speaker 2: part of the schedule that came out of a four
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Speaker 2: and one with what appeared to be some easier games
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Speaker 2: coming up. So you're not in bad shape. But the
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Speaker 2: fact is there are issues here and maybe you and
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Speaker 2: I can maybe explain some of that.
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Speaker 1: I think we have to start with the with the
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Speaker 1: offensive line. You know, three fifths of the offensive line
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Speaker 1: went into this game nicked up, you know, Lane Johnson,
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Speaker 1: Cam Jurgens and Landon Dickerson, and there's not any continue
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Speaker 1: up front. And when you look at both offensive lines,
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Speaker 1: I mean, we're focusing on the offensive line, but they
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Speaker 1: continuously lose the trench warfare. And we're not used to scene,
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Speaker 1: especially this offensive line that we that spoiled us with
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Speaker 1: mowing people over game in and game out of season ago.
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Speaker 1: They can't get out of their own way, missing blocking assignments,
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Speaker 1: you know, a lot of mental mistakes. And again I
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Speaker 1: go back to what I initially said, I know that
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Speaker 1: they're nicked up a little bit, but you know, I've
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Speaker 1: always been of the impression rate. Everybody's hurt in the
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Speaker 1: National Football League at this point of a season. Everybody
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Speaker 1: has some aches and pains. But if you strap on
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Speaker 1: that uniform and you step out on the field, it
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Speaker 1: tells me you're well enough to play. And this offensive
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Speaker 1: line has not played anywhere close to what we were
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Speaker 1: accustomed to.
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Speaker 2: Scene. Yeah. Yeah, it's an old done Shola expression. If
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Speaker 2: you're hurt, you don't play. But if you play, you're
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Speaker 2: not hurt. You know, that's nobody's going to feel sorry
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Speaker 2: for it if you got the uniform on your around
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Speaker 2: on the field. But I think realistically, when we look
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Speaker 2: at the offensive line, they just look beat up to me.
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Speaker 2: You know, we know, we know what Landon Dickerson's been
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Speaker 2: going through, and he's trying to play through it. This
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Speaker 2: last game, he just couldn't do it. He got an
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Speaker 2: ankle injury on top of everything else that's wrong with him.
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Speaker 2: Lane Johnson has been on and off the field down
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Speaker 2: a couple of weeks, so clear he's been he's been
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Speaker 2: dealing with something. Jurgens I still feel has never really
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Speaker 2: fully come back from his back surgery. I mean it's
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Speaker 2: been and that's that's sort of what you're dealing with
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Speaker 2: up there. I mean, if you look at you talk
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Speaker 2: about the quote unquote skill positions, same guys as last year,
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Speaker 2: same quarterback, same running back, same wide routes, same tight end.
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Speaker 2: So you know what's different, Well, it's the offensive line
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Speaker 2: right now. And you know the Eagles. I mean, they
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Speaker 2: are all kinds of stats, but there's a stat out
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Speaker 2: there called negative negative runs, negative plays, and the Eagles
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Speaker 2: lead the its where they didn't get back to the
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Speaker 2: line of scrimmage and that's mostly number twenty six. Now,
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Speaker 2: why is that? Is it him? I think I've had
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Speaker 2: people ask me, you know, I think he's lost a
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Speaker 2: step from last year. You know, all that work, that
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Speaker 2: whole workload, all those carries, all those touches, and I'm saying,
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Speaker 2: I don't think so, I don't think it's him. And
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Speaker 2: you saw I think all the people that were saying that,
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Speaker 2: you know, sa Quan's lost a step. Anybody saw that
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Speaker 2: wheel route that he ran. He has not lost a step. Okay,
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Speaker 2: So the difference in this running game right now, it
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Speaker 2: ain't him. Okay, It's somewhere else. And it's probably a
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Speaker 2: combination of the offensive line, which is not playing like
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Speaker 2: it has in the past. And let's face it, we
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Speaker 2: were spoiled. I mean the last couple of years that
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Speaker 2: offensive line was so good we just assumed every game, Oh,
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Speaker 2: they're just going to win the battle at the line
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Speaker 2: of scrimmage. There's no question about that, doesn't matter who
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Speaker 2: the opponent is, They're just going to dominate. But they're
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Speaker 2: not dominating now. And the combination of that and would
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Speaker 2: I find to be some puzzling play call I think
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Speaker 2: has kind of got this offense spinning its wheels.
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Speaker 1: How does your offensive coordinator Kevin Patula and not know
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Speaker 1: that a defensive front like Denvers is gonna come after you.
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Speaker 1: I mean they came after him from the outset. They
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Speaker 1: had six official sacks and I don't know how many
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Speaker 1: official hits they had on Jalen. But how do you
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Speaker 1: go into a game not understanding that Denver, which went
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Speaker 1: into this game leading the NFL and quarterback sacks with fifteen,
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Speaker 1: just basically man handled the Eagles offensive line. Now, granted,
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Speaker 1: they do blitz a lot. Ray there were times when
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Speaker 1: I saw not only one safety, but both safeties blitzing
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Speaker 1: for Denver on the same play, And I'm thinking, how
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Speaker 1: do you not counter that, and we keep harping on
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Speaker 1: Kevin Patula, but the issues run much deeper than him.
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Speaker 1: But you have to start somewhere. And for whatever reason,
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Speaker 1: he's still five games into a season can't call a
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Speaker 1: consistent game plan or a game plan that can put
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Speaker 1: a defense on his heels consistently.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does feel as though last year you felt
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Speaker 2: like after Week four five, when they made that change
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Speaker 2: in offensive philosophy and went with the running game, you
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Speaker 2: felt from that point on that the Eagles were the
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Speaker 2: Eagles offense was dictating to the other team's defense. They
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Speaker 2: were controlling them. The Eagles offense was doing whatever they
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Speaker 2: wanted to do. Defense were trying all kinds of things,
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Speaker 2: but the Eagles offense was running the show out there.
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Speaker 2: That's not true now, and you get the feeling that
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Speaker 2: the defense is now their defense is now calling the
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Speaker 2: shots against the Eagles offense because they've got them bottled up.
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Speaker 2: How do you reverse that? I you know, I think
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Speaker 2: that one of the things you had to anticipate coming
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Speaker 2: into this season was with the success that the Eagles
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Speaker 2: had last year running the ball with that philosophy in
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Speaker 2: this personnel, and then you win the Super Bowl, Well,
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Speaker 2: you knew coming into this year. What happens to all
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Speaker 2: Super Bowl champions is everybody's studies, their tape. You have
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Speaker 2: the whole off season to study that offense and all
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Speaker 2: the things that you couldn't quite figure out last year.
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Speaker 2: Now you've got six months to figure them out. And
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Speaker 2: so every game you're coming into this year, teams have
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Speaker 2: their own idea what's the best way to stop your offense.
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Speaker 2: And what we're seeing now is just a very heavy,
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Speaker 2: over and over again dose of all out blitzes, run blitzes,
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Speaker 2: zone blitzes, I mean all kinds of pressure and people
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Speaker 2: just up at the line of scrimmage. And that's what
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Speaker 2: you're running into right now. And the combination of that
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Speaker 2: and the fact that your offensive line is clearly struggling
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Speaker 2: right now with due to injuries and again somewhat what
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Speaker 2: I just think is is poor execution, which we didn't
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Speaker 2: see last year but we're seeing now, has got this
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Speaker 2: offense being very herky jerky, and I you know, when
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Speaker 2: a team, when an offensive team is really in sync,
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Speaker 2: for the lack of a better term, the way the
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Speaker 2: Eagles were last year, there is an absolute rhythm to
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Speaker 2: the play calling. I mean, everything just kind of falls
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Speaker 2: into place, and one play leads to another, sets up another,
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Speaker 2: and you can just feel the rhythm of the offense
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Speaker 2: moving and other than the second half of the Rams game,
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Speaker 2: when you were playing desperation football with no huddle and
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Speaker 2: running a hurry up, then the only time this year
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Speaker 2: that you really kind of felt like the Eagles offense
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Speaker 2: looked like it had some semblance of a rhythm. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I've had some good stretches here and there, but nothing
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Speaker 2: that you could feel like, Yether're in control of the
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Speaker 2: game right now, That's kind of where they are, and
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Speaker 2: until they find that, you know, every game and maybe
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Speaker 2: even a game against a bad team like the Giants
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Speaker 2: this week, could turn out to be a struggle.
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Speaker 1: You surprised that we're not more designed running plays for
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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts. I mean, you know, he's okay passer, but
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Speaker 1: he can kill you with his legs as well. And
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Speaker 1: I was surprised, no quarterback drugs, no quarterback sprint outs.
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Speaker 1: I'm just sitting as shocked that, especially when Denver identified
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Speaker 1: early in the game they were coming after you, that
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Speaker 1: they didn't call more designed running plays for Jane and
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Speaker 1: we saw him do it the first four games of
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Speaker 1: the season where he dropped back a step fake like
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Speaker 1: he was gonna pass take off running. I don't understand
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Speaker 1: why there's not more designed running plays for this guy.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we don't want to see a quarterback take
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Speaker 1: unnecessary hits, which a lot of quarterbacks do. But this
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Speaker 1: guy is so strong in the lower body strength, and
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Speaker 1: he does a great job of getting down, feeling when
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Speaker 1: the press is coming and getting down. So why not
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Speaker 1: run him more to make that defense play a little
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Speaker 1: bit more honest against you.
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Speaker 2: I think it's one of the things they have to
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Speaker 2: think about and they have to reevaluate. I mean, yesterday
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Speaker 2: two rushes for three yards. It's ridiculous. You know, that's
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Speaker 2: not the best utilization of your quarterback, and just simply
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Speaker 2: not when the quarterback is this guy and you have
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Speaker 2: that kind of thing, I mean, our two for eleven
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Speaker 2: on third down, which you're not going to win many
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Speaker 2: games being that. Uh, And you know you get up
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Speaker 2: seventeen to three going to the fourth quarter at home
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Speaker 2: and then you go punt punt, punt punt. Why and
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Speaker 2: in the second half. This is two weeks in a
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Speaker 2: row that you and I are on here talking about
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Speaker 2: some anomaly in the offense. Last week, it's the Jalen
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Speaker 2: Hurts goes the whole second half without completing a pass.
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Speaker 2: This game, you go a whole second half, sa Quon
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Speaker 2: Barkley has one rushing attempt. Those are things that you
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Speaker 2: just say, no, that, no, that that that's a misprint,
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Speaker 2: that that can't possibly be right. But it is. And
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Speaker 2: when you see those kinds of things right in front
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Speaker 2: of you, you say, whoa, you know, we got to we
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Speaker 2: got to take this offense apart and start really looking
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Speaker 2: at it and there's something really amiss here and where
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Speaker 2: is it? What is it? You know? And we went
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Speaker 2: through the whole week with you know, the Aja Brown
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Speaker 2: stuff and is he unhappy? Does he want to be
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Speaker 2: traded or that unhappy with him? Are they going to
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Speaker 2: trade him? That's all the conversation that's going on. And
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Speaker 2: is it an issue? I guess, But to me, there
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Speaker 2: are more fundamental exras and those issues that have to
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Speaker 2: be dealt with to put this team back to where
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Speaker 2: it needs to be.
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Speaker 1: You talk about fundamentals of the game, and when you
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Speaker 1: have a running back like sa Kwon Barkley, even if
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Speaker 1: the running game is not running, you still run him
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Speaker 1: to give the allusion to the opposition that you're going
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Speaker 1: to run the football. But when he carries the ball
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Speaker 1: six times for thirty yards, that's a problem because.
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Speaker 2: Look at Denver.
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Speaker 1: Denver is not a great running team, but they were
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Speaker 1: averaging one hundred and forty three yards per game rushing. Now,
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Speaker 1: the Eagles held him to a buck thirty, but in
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Speaker 1: the second half when they made their comeback, the running
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Speaker 1: game was a significant part of their game. Sure, And
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Speaker 1: I don't understand the Eagles had what eleven total rushing
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Speaker 1: attempts in this game compared to thirty eight passes? Are
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Speaker 1: you kidding me? When you got the best running back
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Speaker 1: in all of football over the last year plus and
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Speaker 1: basically heal off the field's uniform virtually clean because you're
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Speaker 1: not using them.
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Speaker 2: Yep, yep. And you know, one of the one of
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Speaker 2: the biggest weapons this team has, like it or not,
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Speaker 2: is the tush push, and they weren't even in situations
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Speaker 2: where they could use that, you know, I mean this
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Speaker 2: was a game where But still, to get back to
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Speaker 2: your point about Barkley and the running game, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: It's always to me, it's been pretty simple philosophy that
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Speaker 2: if you're up seventeen to three in a game and
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Speaker 2: you got Saquon Barkley in the backfield, that's where you
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Speaker 2: just you just you just run it out. I mean
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Speaker 2: it's and when they were a team last year, when
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Speaker 2: they were on their run, I mean, there were some
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Speaker 2: games last year where they got in the fourth quarter
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Speaker 2: and they just put the game away, you know. I
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Speaker 2: mean that they'd be up ten going into the fourth
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Speaker 2: quarter and they would go off on one of these
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Speaker 2: eight minute drives and when it was over, it was over.
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Speaker 2: You know that. I mean, that's you've got a two
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Speaker 2: touchdown lead at home. That's when you that's when you
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Speaker 2: you're hand it off to your running back and that's
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Speaker 2: how you put that's how you close out the game.
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Speaker 2: And in that situation, Barkley's not getting the ball. Look,
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Speaker 2: I know that the running game has not been anything
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Speaker 2: even close to what it was last year, But if
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Speaker 2: you're ever going to turn to it, if you're ever
15:24
Speaker 2: going to give it a chance, that's the time to
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Speaker 2: do it. And the fact that they went completely away
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Speaker 2: from it is one of the things that I'm saying,
15:34
Speaker 2: what's going on within the four walls down there. I mean,
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Speaker 2: one of these coaches and players talking about because right now,
15:40
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a it's an overused term in all sports,
15:44
Speaker 2: especially football, but there is truth in it in the
15:47
Speaker 2: idea of an identity. What is your identity? And this
15:51
Speaker 2: team on the way to the Super Bowl last year, men,
15:53
Speaker 2: they had a clear identity. There was no question who
15:56
Speaker 2: they were and what they were going to do right now,
15:59
Speaker 2: that's you know, And until they find that, until they
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Speaker 2: find that, it's gonna be every week is going to
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Speaker 2: be a struggle.
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Speaker 1: I'm assuming they already do. But I think Nick Siriani,
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Speaker 1: Kevin Petullo, Jalen Hurts need to get behind closed doors.
16:18
Speaker 1: Sirianni needs to tell Patullo what he likes and doesn't
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Speaker 1: like about his play calling. Jalen Hurts needs to tell
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Speaker 1: Patullo what he likes and doesn't like about the offensive
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Speaker 1: structure and how to play more to his strengths.
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Speaker 2: I need to.
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Speaker 1: I think they need to strip the offense down and
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Speaker 1: rebuild it. Now. Understand it's a short week coming up,
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Speaker 1: but they need to rebuild this offense from the ground up.
16:40
Speaker 1: I mean, because what they've put on the field for
16:42
Speaker 1: five weeks, they were able to slip by four times.
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Speaker 1: But that's not gonna happen continuously. We saw what happened
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Speaker 1: with Denver, which was a two and two team. And
16:51
Speaker 1: although you have a stretch of games here, a three
16:53
Speaker 1: game stretch of games where you should win these games,
16:56
Speaker 1: you still have a bunch of games coming up against
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Speaker 1: some heavyweights. And don't think they're not going to attack
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Speaker 1: you the same way Denver did.
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Speaker 2: Mm hmm yep. Oh they will. They will. I mean,
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Speaker 2: every every team is learning from the team before, and
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Speaker 2: every team has had some degree of success and slowness
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Speaker 2: off of town. They've certainly had success in slowing down
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Speaker 2: the running game. Uh so how are you going? So
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Speaker 2: how are you going to deal with that?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Your idea of sort of a sit down there among
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Speaker 2: the quarterback and the offensive staff, I think, yeah, I
17:27
Speaker 2: think we're I think we're at that point. Now. This
17:30
Speaker 2: week doesn't afford you very much time because you've got
17:33
Speaker 2: to play on Thursday. But I think it's something that
17:35
Speaker 2: has to be done. I remember, this sounds Derek, this
17:39
Speaker 2: sounds so simple. But I remember, I remember years ago,
17:45
Speaker 2: when I was still a writer, I was doing a
17:47
Speaker 2: piece about Joe Montana. When Joe Montana was great, you know,
17:52
Speaker 2: after he had had his coming out party and was
17:55
Speaker 2: winning Super Bowls and stuff and trying to put together
17:58
Speaker 2: a story about how he got there, how he became
18:02
Speaker 2: Joe Montana. And I interviewed Mike, Mike Holmbren, who was
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Speaker 2: the offensive coordinator for the forty nine ers at that time,
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Speaker 2: and I said, how did you know, how did Joe
18:15
Speaker 2: grow into this position to become the player that he is?
18:18
Speaker 2: And he said, you know, when he was a young player,
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Speaker 2: he wasn't great every week, you know, I mean he
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Speaker 2: wasn't he went through some of the things that a
18:24
Speaker 2: lot of young quarterbacks do, he said, But when he
18:27
Speaker 2: would have a couple couple bad games and you can
18:29
Speaker 2: see he was affecting his confidence, he said. I'd call
18:33
Speaker 2: him in the office and I'd hand him the playbook
18:37
Speaker 2: and I'd say, Joe, go through there and pick out
18:41
Speaker 2: the plays that you feel good about, you know, the playbook.
18:45
Speaker 2: Just go through there and just circle them, check them off,
18:49
Speaker 2: whatever it is. But you go through there and you
18:51
Speaker 2: pick out the plays that you feel good about, that
18:54
Speaker 2: you feel confident in executing. I don't care if it's
18:58
Speaker 2: eight plays out of it, out of a three hundred
19:01
Speaker 2: page book. If that's all you got, that's all you got.
19:04
Speaker 2: But that's where we're going to start the game plan next.
19:06
Speaker 2: That's where I'm going to start making the game plan
19:08
Speaker 2: up because if you there's no it doesn't do any
19:11
Speaker 2: good at all for me on the sidelines to be
19:15
Speaker 2: sending in plays that you don't believe in. That's not
19:17
Speaker 2: going to help anybody you. Let's start off with you
19:20
Speaker 2: telling me what you feel good about and then I'll
19:24
Speaker 2: work from there. And to me, that seems so logical,
19:29
Speaker 2: it's so obvious. But you know, he's the only coach
19:33
Speaker 2: I ever heard that worked that way. But to me,
19:36
Speaker 2: it seems like when you are in a situation like
19:39
Speaker 2: this where a team is sort of floundering on offense
19:41
Speaker 2: and trying to figure out how to get out of it,
19:45
Speaker 2: that's not a bad place to start is go to
19:47
Speaker 2: the quarterback and say, you tell me what you want
19:49
Speaker 2: to run, and let's see and let's see if you
19:51
Speaker 2: feel good, if you feel good about it, let's start
19:53
Speaker 2: building right there. And I think the Eagles are kind
19:56
Speaker 2: of at that point. Now they have to they have
19:58
Speaker 2: to figure it out, They have to find a way
19:59
Speaker 2: to get Barkley wanned loose and they have to find
20:03
Speaker 2: a way to be able to get their ace receivers
20:05
Speaker 2: open in big spots and right now they just don't
20:08
Speaker 2: have it. And some of the play calling just to
20:09
Speaker 2: me is odd to me. I mean, there were situations
20:13
Speaker 2: in this game where we saw facing a blitz, knowing
20:17
Speaker 2: the blitz is coming, that you have all your receivers
20:20
Speaker 2: are running vertical routes. Yes, everybody's running away from the
20:23
Speaker 2: quarterback and he has no hot read, he has no
20:26
Speaker 2: easy outlet, is no easy throw. That's how you wind
20:29
Speaker 2: up with a quarterback like Hert's taking six sacks, you know,
20:32
Speaker 2: and that's that's just a breakdown in your system. That's
20:36
Speaker 2: just a fundamental breakdown in the system that has to
20:38
Speaker 2: be dealt with and corrected.
20:41
Speaker 1: You know, two things that caught my ear after this game.
20:45
Speaker 1: Sequin Barkley said, we're now facing adversity and Jalen said
20:49
Speaker 1: at the podium and said we have to focus. And
20:53
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, why are we talking about focus five games
20:56
Speaker 1: into a season. But if you go back through the game,
20:59
Speaker 1: they had five pre snap penalties and nine penalties all together. Now,
21:04
Speaker 1: obviously you know Denver had more penalties. I believe they
21:07
Speaker 1: had twelve and the Eagles at nine penalties but rate
21:11
Speaker 1: five pre snap penalties. It's unacceptable, unacceptable for a veteran
21:16
Speaker 1: unit that has been together, and even when they bring
21:19
Speaker 1: in substitutes, the substitutes.
21:21
Speaker 2: Have been with this team.
21:22
Speaker 1: But the five pre sep snap penalties is unacceptable for
21:25
Speaker 1: an offense like this.
21:27
Speaker 2: You're right, and some of them are five penalties in
21:30
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter. Oh, I mean that's how that's how
21:33
Speaker 2: you blow a fourteen point lead in the fourth quarter.
21:36
Speaker 2: Is playing dumb football, and they did. But some of
21:40
Speaker 2: it seems to me to be part of it is
21:46
Speaker 2: players don't seem to be coming in quickly enough. It
21:50
Speaker 2: seems like there are too many instances where things are
21:54
Speaker 2: being done at the line of scrimmage. Guys are shifting
21:56
Speaker 2: and it's like the last second you're ticking off the seconds.
22:00
Speaker 2: For example, the illegal the illegal shift, the illegal double
22:04
Speaker 2: motion that wound up with the penalty on Barkley that
22:08
Speaker 2: took away a thirty yard pass play at a smith
22:12
Speaker 2: in a big spot, to me, was really a function
22:16
Speaker 2: of the play came into late and two men go
22:20
Speaker 2: in motion and Barkley, who knows what he's supposed to do,
22:24
Speaker 2: does not have time to get there and get set
22:26
Speaker 2: long enough for it to be illegal play. It isn't
22:29
Speaker 2: that he didn't It isn't that he was confused. It
22:31
Speaker 2: isn't that he didn't know what he was supposed to do.
22:34
Speaker 2: He knew what he was supposed to do, but by
22:36
Speaker 2: the time he got there, he didn't have that extra
22:38
Speaker 2: second to set and make it illegal play. You know,
22:42
Speaker 2: that's you know, that's not his fault. I mean, that's
22:45
Speaker 2: a communications thing, and that tells me that there's some
22:49
Speaker 2: sort of confusion or disconnect from the booth to the
22:53
Speaker 2: guy on the sidelines who's calling a play and getting
22:55
Speaker 2: into the quarterback. That shouldn't happen. I mean, there are
22:59
Speaker 2: other things. Oh and while we're talking about penalties, Yeah,
23:03
Speaker 2: I thought I thought this was a horribly officiated game.
23:08
Speaker 2: I thought it was a harble. But I've had a
23:10
Speaker 2: lot of people say to me, the Eagles lost this
23:13
Speaker 2: game because of the officials. No, the Eagles lost this
23:16
Speaker 2: game because the Eagles lost this game. I mean, the
23:20
Speaker 2: Broncos had twelve penalties. But I just thought it was
23:24
Speaker 2: a very very poorly poorly officiated game. And I think
23:29
Speaker 2: there's is he too much of that in the NFL now, Derek,
23:32
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, the NFL is so busy about
23:35
Speaker 2: worrying about what teams they're sending to Germany, what teams
23:38
Speaker 2: they're sending to London, what teams are sending to Ireland.
23:41
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not as concerned about that as I
23:45
Speaker 2: am getting the game here right, and they have This
23:50
Speaker 2: is another topic for another day, but to me, they
23:53
Speaker 2: have a major issue with the officiating in this league
23:55
Speaker 2: because it just isn't very good and the inconsistency from
23:58
Speaker 2: week to week is appalling.
24:00
Speaker 1: Why do you think the officiating is so watered down?
24:03
Speaker 1: Because it wasn't that long ago when we would applaud
24:06
Speaker 1: the officiating. I mean, they were on point more times
24:09
Speaker 1: than up. But now you're right across the board. You
24:11
Speaker 1: watch any football game and it's like you're going, how
24:14
Speaker 1: do you miss this? Especially when you have replay? How
24:17
Speaker 1: do you still miss this? Why do you think the
24:20
Speaker 1: officiating has become so watered down?
24:25
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think that part of it is
24:30
Speaker 2: that I think they've changed the rules so much, They've
24:36
Speaker 2: redefined the rules so much, They've put so much subjective thought,
24:42
Speaker 2: they put so much of that in the minds of
24:45
Speaker 2: the officials trying to interpret what the intent is on
24:47
Speaker 2: a play as opposed to just calling the play, trying
24:50
Speaker 2: to think of what was what was the thought and
24:52
Speaker 2: process going into that. I think they've made I think
24:55
Speaker 2: they've taken the rule book which used to be like this,
24:58
Speaker 2: and they've kind of made it like this now. And
25:01
Speaker 2: I you know, I don't think it's for a lack
25:04
Speaker 2: of work. I'm sure these guys are prepared. They study
25:06
Speaker 2: their tape, they know the rules, they have to take
25:08
Speaker 2: a written test to get on the field. But I
25:11
Speaker 2: think there is so much gray area in now, what's
25:16
Speaker 2: a catch, what's a football move? You know, where all
25:19
Speaker 2: of that kind of stuff they never had to worry
25:21
Speaker 2: about before, never used to have to worry about being
25:24
Speaker 2: second guests. By instant replay. There's so much more for
25:27
Speaker 2: the officials, information for them to process, and the game
25:31
Speaker 2: just keeps moving faster that I'm sympathetic to a point
25:36
Speaker 2: because I think it's a really hard job. I think
25:38
Speaker 2: it's a really tough game to officiate now the way
25:40
Speaker 2: it is, But you have to find a way to
25:43
Speaker 2: do better than what we're doing right now and what
25:47
Speaker 2: you were just saying ago. Certain things you just see
25:50
Speaker 2: that is so obvious? How did you not call that?
25:54
Speaker 2: I thought, and this is not being a homer, because
25:56
Speaker 2: I think people know me well enough to know that
25:58
Speaker 2: I'm not on that last on that last play, the
26:01
Speaker 2: Dallas Goddard down the I mean he's he's being held
26:06
Speaker 2: for like twenty yards. It's not just it's not just
26:09
Speaker 2: one bit of contact. I mean the guy is hanging
26:11
Speaker 2: on them and hitting them for about twenty yards down
26:14
Speaker 2: the field. And the officials interpretation after the game, when
26:18
Speaker 2: he was asked to explain that said, well, we just
26:21
Speaker 2: felt that there was hand fighting between both guys and
26:25
Speaker 2: kind of a play. We just feel like it's it's
26:28
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's fairs fair and we're not going
26:31
Speaker 2: to throw a flag. I didn't see that. I saw one.
26:34
Speaker 2: I saw one guy that to me was committing obvious
26:38
Speaker 2: pass interference on a play that's going to decide the game.
26:42
Speaker 2: And the officials kept their fighting in their pocket on
26:44
Speaker 2: a day when they were throwing flags all over the place,
26:47
Speaker 2: on that play, they choose to keep it in their pocket.
26:49
Speaker 2: To me, that's bad officiating.
26:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you know not you're not a homer,
26:55
Speaker 1: but a lot of times we expect teams to get
26:59
Speaker 1: those holes, you see that. We see that a lot
27:02
Speaker 1: where teams get that home call and the visiting team
27:06
Speaker 1: does not. But in this case, you talk about egregious.
27:10
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. And that was the defining moment in
27:14
Speaker 1: the game. Now, granted, the Eagles never should have been
27:16
Speaker 1: in that position to begin with, but to me, that
27:18
Speaker 1: was a defining moment in the game because if he
27:20
Speaker 1: gets that, they're inside the five yard line with a
27:24
Speaker 1: chance to score that that that winning touchdown. But yes,
27:27
Speaker 1: you know, but Lloyd Beerhol, it doesn't happen, you know, right.
27:31
Speaker 2: And while we're on the subject of officiating, the other
27:35
Speaker 2: call that absolutely had a direct direct correlation to the
27:40
Speaker 2: winning and losing was the officials choosing to pick up
27:44
Speaker 2: the flag on the intentional grounding. I mean, that's that's
27:48
Speaker 2: a huge play there. That is a I don't I
27:52
Speaker 2: didn't really have as big a problem as a lot
27:54
Speaker 2: of people had with the Zach bond head.
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Speaker 4: We're in the show notes and support the show because
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Speaker 4: to me you know the way the game's being officiated now,
30:35
Speaker 4: you know, any kind of play out in the open
30:36
Speaker 4: like that, it's an easy call for them to make.
30:39
Speaker 2: You could say it's borderline at the time. It hurts
30:43
Speaker 2: the Eagles for sure, but I understood why they threw
30:46
Speaker 2: that flag. The intentional grounding, to me was so obvious
30:52
Speaker 2: that I was amazed when they picked the flag up.
30:56
Speaker 2: But that is a big play right there. I mean
30:59
Speaker 2: that allows to keep to maintain possession, go down and
31:02
Speaker 2: score and that I mean that had a big swing
31:06
Speaker 2: in the game. And then you have to play with
31:07
Speaker 2: Goddard at the end. So I know people were upset
31:10
Speaker 2: with the officials and they felt that they had unimpacted
31:13
Speaker 2: on a game, but I think they did. But it's
31:15
Speaker 2: too easy to say that the officials took this game
31:18
Speaker 2: away from the Eagles. No, it's the Eagles had a
31:20
Speaker 2: lot to do with what happened here too.
31:22
Speaker 1: You know, going back to talking about mental mistakes and
31:25
Speaker 1: lack of focus, and when Bond pounced on the ball carry,
31:29
Speaker 1: I immediately said they're going to flag him for that,
31:31
Speaker 1: and sure enough they did. And then after the game,
31:32
Speaker 1: Bonn admitted he has to be smarter than that, and
31:36
Speaker 1: I think we're seeing not just AJ and DeVante frustration.
31:41
Speaker 1: I think we're seeing more frustrations across the board in
31:44
Speaker 1: terms of how this team is playing overall, on both
31:46
Speaker 1: sides of the football. And I think that particular penalty
31:49
Speaker 1: was evident of that because Bond is a lot smarter
31:52
Speaker 1: than that. You normally don't see him do something like that.
31:54
Speaker 2: No, No, he's he's like the last person you would
31:58
Speaker 2: expect to do something that way, and he knew when
32:02
Speaker 2: it was over. I saw his interview and he didn't
32:06
Speaker 2: try to dodge it. I mean he kind of said, yeah,
32:08
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have done that. I mean, was it a
32:10
Speaker 2: vicious hit? Was he attempting an injine?
32:12
Speaker 1: No?
32:13
Speaker 2: But it was late. It was late, and it was
32:15
Speaker 2: right out there in the open, and in today's NFL
32:19
Speaker 2: that's going to be called more often than not. But
32:21
Speaker 2: that's in that spot. It really hurts it because the
32:24
Speaker 2: kid's safety had come up and made a big play
32:26
Speaker 2: and the big, big third down tackle right there, and
32:29
Speaker 2: it looks like you're going to get him off the
32:31
Speaker 2: field and then all of a sudden they get new life. Now.
32:34
Speaker 1: Of course, AJ brings a lot of attention to himself
32:38
Speaker 1: because of what he said or did not say a
32:40
Speaker 1: week ago. And lo and behold, he's a center of
32:44
Speaker 1: conversation again. After this game, the deep ball Jalen throws
32:47
Speaker 1: to him. You know, initially you say, man, Jalen missed
32:50
Speaker 1: him by a mile, But when you look at the replay,
32:52
Speaker 1: he slows up and then goes, oh my goodness, the
32:55
Speaker 1: ball's coming to me and tries to speed it up.
32:57
Speaker 1: Too late. By then, after the game he says, I
33:00
Speaker 1: didn't see the ball. I didn't think I thought the
33:02
Speaker 1: ball was already thrown somewhere else. And then all of
33:04
Speaker 1: a sudden, I see the ball and it's too late.
33:07
Speaker 1: Are you willing to give aj a bit of grace
33:10
Speaker 1: in this case or we've we've debate debated Seth and
33:14
Speaker 1: Mark Farzette and I if you, even if you're the decoy,
33:19
Speaker 1: you have to keep running at full speed. You have
33:21
Speaker 1: to keep running at full speed. Or are you willing
33:23
Speaker 1: to give him some grace in this particular case?
33:26
Speaker 2: Now you got to keep rying. I mean, you got
33:28
Speaker 2: you got to play it out. And you know, I
33:32
Speaker 2: don't think I can't read his mind, but I mean
33:36
Speaker 2: he's he's too good not to know that. Uh and listen,
33:41
Speaker 2: that's a big play right there. I mean, everybody said,
33:44
Speaker 2: I mean, what I heard today and what I read
33:47
Speaker 2: was that Hurts had him wide open and missed him. Yeah. Yeah,
33:51
Speaker 2: Well okay, I guess that's maybe how it looked. But
33:55
Speaker 2: if you look at the way aj runs the pattern,
33:57
Speaker 2: who's really a fault there? I mean, all the one
34:00
Speaker 2: thing you can say for sure is it is a
34:02
Speaker 2: huge missed opportunity, because that's that's you don't get that
34:07
Speaker 2: wide open in the NFL very often, but when you do,
34:10
Speaker 2: you got to get seven points out of it. And
34:14
Speaker 2: in that one, if that had happened at that point
34:16
Speaker 2: in the game, Degals would have won. I mean because
34:19
Speaker 2: because Denver to that point had shown you very little
34:22
Speaker 2: on offense. Yeh, they looked. I think all you needed
34:26
Speaker 2: at seventeen to three was one more big play like that,
34:29
Speaker 2: and it would have it would it would have put
34:31
Speaker 2: it would have put the nail in. And when they
34:34
Speaker 2: didn't get that, and then they had turned the ball over,
34:37
Speaker 2: then Denver gets the ball and they start. Then all
34:39
Speaker 2: of a sudden, they make a couple of plays, they
34:40
Speaker 2: get a little momentum, and now they're back in the game.
34:43
Speaker 2: I'll tell you. I mean, nobody wants to talk about
34:46
Speaker 2: the Broncos at this point, but I think it's worth mentioning.
34:50
Speaker 1: Uh.
34:51
Speaker 2: I think Nicks is going to be a really good quarterback.
34:53
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you about him. Yeah, yeah,
34:55
Speaker 2: I I really you know, I look, I saw who
34:59
Speaker 2: would you compare him.
34:59
Speaker 1: To at this stage.
35:08
Speaker 2: You I think Fangio has said it last week. Uh,
35:12
Speaker 2: and Baker Mayfield, and I thought I thought, okay, it's
35:17
Speaker 2: going to bang comparison, and then watching him, Yeah, Baker Mayfield,
35:20
Speaker 2: he really reminds me of Baker Mayfield. He's got the
35:23
Speaker 2: same kind of mobility, same kind of willingness to run,
35:27
Speaker 2: the same kind of cockiness about him at that kind
35:32
Speaker 2: of obvious leadership kind of quality that the guys in
35:35
Speaker 2: the huddle respond to and mix clutch throws, you know,
35:39
Speaker 2: and can go through a stretch where he can play
35:41
Speaker 2: poorly for a quarter and then all of a sudden
35:45
Speaker 2: bank turn it on fourth quarter. In this game, he
35:47
Speaker 2: was nine for ten through for one hundred and seventy
35:51
Speaker 2: yards or something in the fourth quarter against this defense.
35:56
Speaker 2: He's really good. I mean, you saw it last year
35:58
Speaker 2: the second half of the year, the way he came one,
36:00
Speaker 2: and you know, I think that I think Sean Payton's
36:04
Speaker 2: got himself his quarterback right now. And you know, you
36:07
Speaker 2: look at where the Broncos are now three and two,
36:10
Speaker 2: and you look at the next four or five games
36:12
Speaker 2: they've got. I mean, they got a string of easy
36:14
Speaker 2: games coming. I mean, I was looking at the schedule
36:16
Speaker 2: last night. They could easily run run off five wins
36:20
Speaker 2: and they do that. They're eight and two, and yeah,
36:22
Speaker 2: they could. They could. I'm not gonna say run away
36:25
Speaker 2: with that division. Yeah, but I mean it would not
36:27
Speaker 2: shock me when it's all said and done, that they're
36:29
Speaker 2: that they're looking back at the Kansas City Chiefs.
36:33
Speaker 1: Speaking of Sean Payton, seven thirty six left in the game,
36:37
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram scores the touchdown to get the Broncos within
36:41
Speaker 1: one point. You automatically think that Denver is gonna kick
36:45
Speaker 1: the extra point tie a game and try to win
36:47
Speaker 1: it with a field goal or potentially a touchdown. Oh no, now,
36:50
Speaker 1: Sean Payton. And I said this in our postgame show.
36:54
Speaker 1: I've watched Sean Payton a long time when he had
36:56
Speaker 1: that guy named Drew Brees at quarterback down in New Orleans,
36:59
Speaker 1: and he goes against conventional wisdom all the time. I
37:04
Speaker 1: was not surprised one bit. He went for two points
37:07
Speaker 1: and bo Nicks put that ball right on the money.
37:09
Speaker 1: They called the perfect play at the perfect alignment against
37:13
Speaker 1: the perfect quarterback that they wanted to and Kiley Ringo
37:17
Speaker 1: and man did he deliver a strake. Were you surprised
37:19
Speaker 1: with that much time left in the game, almost a
37:20
Speaker 1: half of a quarter left in the final quarter, that
37:24
Speaker 1: he decided to go for two instead of the tie?
37:26
Speaker 2: Yes? I was, Okay, I was. I was, even though
37:32
Speaker 2: I know Peyton too, and I know that he's willing
37:35
Speaker 2: to take chances in situations like that. But that's the
37:38
Speaker 2: only time this season, in the whole NFL through five weeks,
37:41
Speaker 2: that any coach in that situation has chosen to go
37:46
Speaker 2: for two rather than the tie. That's the only time
37:49
Speaker 2: a coach this year across the board, out of all
37:52
Speaker 2: thirty two teams, has made that decision. Speaks volumes about
37:56
Speaker 2: the kind of play caller and gambler that Peyton can be,
38:00
Speaker 2: But it also speaks volumes of how much confidence he
38:03
Speaker 2: has in his young quarterback to make that play. I
38:07
Speaker 2: mean you said earlier, Sean did a lot of things
38:10
Speaker 2: that were sort of out in the margins in New Orleans.
38:15
Speaker 2: But that was when he had Drew Brees, when he
38:17
Speaker 2: had a veteran Hall of Fame quarterback who you can
38:20
Speaker 2: take some chance of the guys like that, But to
38:22
Speaker 2: do the same kind of thing with a young quarterback
38:25
Speaker 2: like Nicks was pretty telling, both on the part of
38:28
Speaker 2: the coach and the player. And it was obvious that
38:32
Speaker 2: that was a play that they had in the book.
38:33
Speaker 2: That was a play that they had in for this
38:35
Speaker 2: game as a two pointer right from the jump. I mean,
38:37
Speaker 2: you saw the way they lined up that they were
38:40
Speaker 2: going that was the play that was in They practiced
38:42
Speaker 2: all week. They were going to go to it. Now
38:44
Speaker 2: you didn't know in what the scoreboard is going to
38:47
Speaker 2: be telling you at that spot. This was their number
38:49
Speaker 2: one two point play that if they were going to
38:52
Speaker 2: go to it, this is what they were going to
38:53
Speaker 2: go to. And they caught the Eagles of the perfect
38:56
Speaker 2: and just the wrong matchup with Ringo and Courtland, and
38:59
Speaker 2: there you go. You got the two points, and now
39:01
Speaker 2: all of a sudden they're ahead, and now you're playing
39:04
Speaker 2: ketchup for the first time, and then everything and everything
39:07
Speaker 2: in the stadium changes.
39:09
Speaker 1: They could not in that fourth quarter get very much
39:11
Speaker 1: pressure at all on bow Nicks, and he just sat
39:14
Speaker 1: back there and he took them apart. When you look
39:16
Speaker 1: at where the Eagles are, first of all, they don't
39:18
Speaker 1: have any sacks to begin with. They desperately missed Nolan Smith.
39:22
Speaker 1: They have one QB sack from an edge rusher, and
39:24
Speaker 1: that's Zadarius Smith, who they brought in after the season started.
39:29
Speaker 2: I can't understand.
39:30
Speaker 1: I thought they were gonna be when you when you
39:33
Speaker 1: consider the volume of talent they'd lost in terms of
39:35
Speaker 1: pass rushers. I was thinking, even with the young guys
39:38
Speaker 1: they had his holdovers, that they were in pretty decent
39:42
Speaker 1: shape in terms of pressure edge people. But uh uh
39:46
Speaker 1: and and I can't pinpoint why. But they're not getting
39:49
Speaker 1: home with any frequency whatsoever.
39:50
Speaker 2: Right, No, they're not. You look through five games, you
39:55
Speaker 2: got four and a half sacks and that's your that's
40:01
Speaker 2: not good. And you said it. I was going to
40:04
Speaker 2: mention it, but he said, they've gotten one sack from
40:07
Speaker 2: an edge rusher this year, and that's from Zadarius Smith,
40:10
Speaker 2: who's a guy that you just picked up off the street,
40:13
Speaker 2: basically been playing on a sixteen and he's been your
40:17
Speaker 2: best pass rusher from the edge. You know you've got
40:21
Speaker 2: We keep talking about the fact that a lot of
40:24
Speaker 2: it has to be generated by Jalen Carter on the inside,
40:26
Speaker 2: which is probably true. But you've got to get some
40:29
Speaker 2: pressure from the edge too, and they're just not you know,
40:33
Speaker 2: Ojomo has been I think pretty good. I think Davis
40:36
Speaker 2: has played well, but they're not getting the production from
40:40
Speaker 2: the edges. I mean, losing Smith hurts. I'll tell you,
40:44
Speaker 2: I am disappointed in Jylex Hunt. I really thought what
40:47
Speaker 2: he had showed late last year and then again in
40:50
Speaker 2: the postseason, I really thought, well, you know, you've lost
40:53
Speaker 2: some guys. You know, you lost Sweat, you lost BG.
40:56
Speaker 2: I mean, you've lost some edge guys. But you know,
40:58
Speaker 2: I'm looking at a guy like Hunt and said, you know,
41:01
Speaker 2: I think with more playing time, more snaps, more opportunities,
41:04
Speaker 2: you know, I think he's going to come in and
41:06
Speaker 2: really play well. And I think he's going to come
41:08
Speaker 2: in and get a lot of pressure, get some sacks,
41:12
Speaker 2: get some pressure. I think he's going to be I
41:13
Speaker 2: think he's going to be up to the task. And okay,
41:17
Speaker 2: five games. I don't want to pass final judgment, but
41:20
Speaker 2: to this point. I got to tell you, Derek, I'm
41:22
Speaker 2: a little disappointed, you know, I thought the kid would
41:25
Speaker 2: have more of an impact because he's certainly getting the snaps,
41:27
Speaker 2: he's certainly on the field a lot, but he's not
41:30
Speaker 2: getting to the quarterback the way I thought he would.
41:33
Speaker 1: Well, the best way to get the taste of a
41:36
Speaker 1: loss out of your mouth is to get back on
41:39
Speaker 1: the horse again real quick, and the Eagles would do
41:41
Speaker 1: that come Thursday night against the New York Giants up
41:44
Speaker 1: in the Middlelands. And of course the Giants play a
41:47
Speaker 1: lot better at home than he doing the road, so
41:49
Speaker 1: that should be an interesting matchup indeed, because it is
41:51
Speaker 1: a divisional matchup, fast and furious coming out of that
41:54
Speaker 1: Denver game, the Eagles right now getting ready to face
41:58
Speaker 1: a big divisional opponent, the New York Giants, and right
42:02
Speaker 1: the best way to get that taste out of your
42:03
Speaker 1: mouth is get right back of the horse again. And
42:07
Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to speak out
42:09
Speaker 1: a turn, but I do think this is the perfect
42:11
Speaker 1: opponent for the Eagles to play to get rid of
42:15
Speaker 1: the taste of an l.
42:21
Speaker 2: I agree, I agree, I have you and I have
42:25
Speaker 2: talked very often about my feeling about Thursday night football.
42:29
Speaker 2: I hate it. I hate it. If I was I've
42:31
Speaker 2: been asked if you were the NFL commissioner, what's the
42:33
Speaker 2: first thing you would do, And I said, the first
42:35
Speaker 2: thing I would do would be banned Thursday night football.
42:38
Speaker 2: I just hate it. But I agree with you in
42:43
Speaker 2: the Eagle situation right now, I think Thursday night is
42:47
Speaker 2: a great way to go because you got the Giants
42:50
Speaker 2: coming off a horrendous loss to a winless New Orleans
42:55
Speaker 2: team one Sunday. I mean, their morale has got to
42:59
Speaker 2: be shattered, you know. Jackson Darby, they thought was never
43:03
Speaker 2: going to lose a game, has plays a game like
43:06
Speaker 2: a rookie. Okay, And if you're the Eagles, you know,
43:11
Speaker 2: did you really want to spend a couple of extra
43:13
Speaker 2: days wallowing in the misery of the game that you
43:16
Speaker 2: gave away here against Dendro I don't think. So that's
43:20
Speaker 2: the best thing for everybody is to get out there
43:23
Speaker 2: on Thursday on the short week, go up to New York,
43:26
Speaker 2: where you've had a lot of success over the years,
43:29
Speaker 2: and go win a football game, you know, and then
43:32
Speaker 2: get an extra couple of days off before you have
43:34
Speaker 2: to go and play Minnesota after that. But I think
43:37
Speaker 2: it's a great opportunity to get this one out of
43:40
Speaker 2: your system, go up beat a very eminently beatable opponent,
43:45
Speaker 2: and kind of get this season back on the tracks.
43:48
Speaker 2: And I'm not talking about, you know, going up there
43:51
Speaker 2: and playing two quarters and winning by a field goal.
43:54
Speaker 2: I'm talking about going up there and just blowing this
43:56
Speaker 2: team out of the stadium. Because if you're if you're
43:59
Speaker 2: half good as what we thought the Eagles were going
44:02
Speaker 2: to be this year, that's what you should do to
44:04
Speaker 2: this Giants team.
44:06
Speaker 1: You mentioned Jackson dark and obviously Russell Wilson's better days
44:11
Speaker 1: are behind him. They put in this young kid their
44:13
Speaker 1: first round draft pick, twenty fifth overall, and his first start,
44:18
Speaker 1: he leads them to an upset win, and everybody's dancing
44:21
Speaker 1: and singing that they found their franchise quarterback. And then
44:24
Speaker 1: this past Sunday against the Saints, he came back down
44:27
Speaker 1: to earth a little bit. He and a couple of touchdowns,
44:29
Speaker 1: but he also threw a couple of picks. But obviously
44:32
Speaker 1: he does have potential. A lot of people when he
44:36
Speaker 1: came out of college were comparing him to Gardner Minshew,
44:39
Speaker 1: and I compared him to a Bo Nick's type quarterback.
44:43
Speaker 1: Where do you see him in terms of his ability,
44:45
Speaker 1: which is basically critiqued as a quarterback with good accuracy,
44:50
Speaker 1: sometimes takes a little bit too long to get rid
44:53
Speaker 1: of the football and sometimes hesitates to make a decision,
44:58
Speaker 1: but has moxy about it like a bo Dix has
45:01
Speaker 1: moxie about not afraid to play the.
45:03
Speaker 2: Game the way it should be played, right. No, I
45:07
Speaker 2: I liked him a lot when I saw him playing college.
45:10
Speaker 2: I thought he was going to be really good. Uh.
45:12
Speaker 2: And actually I thought that the Giants were really smart
45:16
Speaker 2: trading back into the first round to get him, because
45:20
Speaker 2: to me, I think he's got the stuff to be
45:21
Speaker 2: a winning quarterback in the NFL. I do. Uh. I
45:24
Speaker 2: mean I heard people make the comparison to Gardner Minshew.
45:27
Speaker 2: To me, this kid is way better, way better than
45:30
Speaker 2: Gardner Minshew. I mean, I mean, you could come up
45:33
Speaker 2: with other comparisons than that, but he's way better than him. Uh.
45:36
Speaker 2: And yeah, I think he will be a good player.
45:38
Speaker 2: But you know, I think people over overreacted to the
45:42
Speaker 2: to the first win because you know, listen, I saw
45:45
Speaker 2: the Giants in the preseason a couple of times I
45:47
Speaker 2: saw him when they played the Jets, and I saw
45:49
Speaker 2: many by the Patriots, and and this kid played a lot,
45:52
Speaker 2: and and he looked really good. I mean, he really
45:55
Speaker 2: looked good. And that's why I think I had a
45:59
Speaker 2: real feeling that it wasn't going to be too deep
46:01
Speaker 2: into this season that they were going to make the
46:03
Speaker 2: move to him. And so here he is and first game, Yeah,
46:07
Speaker 2: he played really good. This game, he played like a rookie.
46:09
Speaker 2: That's the way is the rookie quarterbacks up and down.
46:12
Speaker 2: But historically, okay, if you look at this kind of
46:16
Speaker 2: a matchup, you know, a rookie quarterback, and he is
46:19
Speaker 2: a true rookie quarterback. Yeah against Vic Fangio's against Vic
46:23
Speaker 2: Fangio's defensive play calling generally doesn't go well. I mean,
46:27
Speaker 2: that's that's the kind of record we all remember Jim
46:30
Speaker 2: Johnson back in the day here. I mean, Jim Johnson
46:33
Speaker 2: never lost to like a first or second year quarterback.
46:35
Speaker 2: I mean, he just used to turn those kids inside out.
46:39
Speaker 2: Vic similarly has has the same kind of history. And
46:43
Speaker 2: you know, I think that is We're going to talk
46:45
Speaker 2: about all kinds of matchups coming into this game, but
46:48
Speaker 2: to me, that's the one that's maybe the biggest advantage
46:50
Speaker 2: of the Eagles had is Vic Fangio against the rookie quarterback.
46:54
Speaker 2: Two questions in one.
46:56
Speaker 1: Are you surprised he went as low as he did
46:58
Speaker 1: in the first round, or surprise he went in the
47:01
Speaker 1: first round?
47:01
Speaker 2: Altogether?
47:02
Speaker 1: I thought he would go like second round, maybe early
47:05
Speaker 1: third round.
47:07
Speaker 2: No, I thought he was going in the first round. Okay,
47:09
Speaker 2: I thought he would go in the first round because
47:12
Speaker 2: in all of the postseason stuff, all the workouts, all
47:17
Speaker 2: of the individual workouts Indianapolis, all of that postseason stuff.
47:24
Speaker 2: Like I thought he had a really good season anyway,
47:26
Speaker 2: But then in that next step, that postseason run up
47:30
Speaker 2: to the draft kind of preparation, the interviews, the individual workouts,
47:34
Speaker 2: the testing, all that stuff, he was really really good.
47:37
Speaker 2: I think probably what you said is high third round
47:41
Speaker 2: kind of thing is probably what people were thinking at
47:44
Speaker 2: the end of the season. But he was really good
47:47
Speaker 2: and really impressive in everything after that, and you just
47:51
Speaker 2: felt you just heard his stock going up. But you know,
47:55
Speaker 2: I liked him a lot even before that, and I
47:58
Speaker 2: you know, I had a low forerund great on him
48:01
Speaker 2: anyway coming out, So to me, I thought he was
48:04
Speaker 2: probably going to go somewhere in round one.
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Speaker 2: But I thought the Giants listen, You're not going to
50:17
Speaker 2: get a whole lot of people that are going to
50:18
Speaker 2: be standing on the side of the Giants in terms
50:20
Speaker 2: of personnel decision making, right right, I mean, given what
50:24
Speaker 2: happened with Saquon Barkley last year, and given what's happened
50:28
Speaker 2: with Daniel Jones going to Minnesota after they let him walk,
50:31
Speaker 2: you know, maybe you shouldn't be saying the Giants person
50:34
Speaker 2: talking favorably about Giants personnel decisions. But I thought when
50:39
Speaker 2: they made the move to trade back into the first round, look,
50:42
Speaker 2: getting Carter was an obvious one the top of the round.
50:44
Speaker 2: I mean that he is a good player, but to
50:47
Speaker 2: make the move to come back and get the kid
50:49
Speaker 2: that could be your next quarterback, I thought it was
50:52
Speaker 2: a pretty good decision. And I still think. I still
50:54
Speaker 2: think Dart's going to be that.
50:55
Speaker 1: Guy is a dual card, the next great one in
50:59
Speaker 1: terms of defensive lineman. I mean, or is it still
51:03
Speaker 1: too early in his career to determine that to even
51:05
Speaker 1: mention that. But obviously when you go that high number
51:08
Speaker 1: three overall, you have a special talent.
51:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think he is, and I think he's
51:13
Speaker 2: going to show it. You know, if I have one
51:16
Speaker 2: concern about the Eagles coming into this game is the
51:19
Speaker 2: Giants aren't pretty good. I mean, that's pretty much stating
51:22
Speaker 2: the obvious there. But the one thing that they do
51:24
Speaker 2: have is that their front is pretty good. I mean,
51:28
Speaker 2: they're front four. They can get after the passer, and
51:33
Speaker 2: right now the Eagles aren't playing real well up there,
51:36
Speaker 2: you know, and we've seen Jalen hurts and feeling a
51:41
Speaker 2: lot of pressure. So far, he's been bottled up, haven't
51:44
Speaker 2: been able to break away on any runs, and there's
51:47
Speaker 2: been a lot of free runners coming at him because
51:49
Speaker 2: of all the Blitzer is There's been a lot of
51:50
Speaker 2: guys getting pressure, and the Giants can do that. There
51:54
Speaker 2: isn't a whole lot that they can do well, but
51:57
Speaker 2: rush the quarterback is something they can do well. Right now,
52:00
Speaker 2: the Eagles are in this because of some of the
52:03
Speaker 2: issues they have an offensive line and probably some of
52:05
Speaker 2: the issues they have in their overall offensive structure are
52:08
Speaker 2: not protecting the quarterback very well. So if the Giants
52:11
Speaker 2: have one chance of pulling off the upset here, that's
52:13
Speaker 2: where it is. I think also.
52:18
Speaker 1: One of the key Giants players they don't have a
52:20
Speaker 1: lot of great players, but I think one of the
52:22
Speaker 1: keys is to watch their linebacker Brian Burns. I think
52:25
Speaker 1: he's one of the better underrated linebackers in the National
52:27
Speaker 1: Football League. Giants have ten quarterback sacks. He has five
52:31
Speaker 1: of them and he's a two time pro bowler. I
52:33
Speaker 1: don't think he gets enough accolades for the type of
52:35
Speaker 1: player that he is because he's very disruptive when he's healthy.
52:39
Speaker 1: He's had injury problems, but when he's healthy, he's very
52:42
Speaker 1: disruptive and he has been and I agree with you.
52:46
Speaker 1: I think he's a good player.
52:47
Speaker 2: And you know, Timpodeau is sort of in and out.
52:52
Speaker 2: I mean, some weeks you don't even know he's on
52:54
Speaker 2: the field. The other weeks he looks like a first
52:57
Speaker 2: round traf pick. You know, you got Carter in there,
52:59
Speaker 2: who's I mean, he's a handful, and he got Dexter Lawrence,
53:03
Speaker 2: you know, in the middle. So I mean, they've got
53:06
Speaker 2: good people on the defensive line. And if the Eagles
53:10
Speaker 2: don't shore up their pass protection, you know, that's the
53:13
Speaker 2: one area where the Giants might have a little bit
53:15
Speaker 2: of advantage. And that's the one area where I think
53:17
Speaker 2: the Eagles really and Jeff Stoutlin and the offensive lineman
53:20
Speaker 2: really have to spend a lot of time preparing because
53:23
Speaker 2: that's the one area where I think the Giants will
53:25
Speaker 2: be competitive in this game.
53:26
Speaker 1: Now, this is a Giants defense that's Taylor made for
53:30
Speaker 1: this Eagles offense to get right. You know, I like
53:33
Speaker 1: to talk about get right games when you're coming out
53:36
Speaker 1: of a bad game. I mean, it's a Giants defense
53:39
Speaker 1: that is currently ranked twenty sixth overall in the National
53:42
Speaker 1: Football League. They're giving up three hundred and seventy seven
53:45
Speaker 1: yards a game, they're giving up one hundred and forty
53:48
Speaker 1: yards rushing a game, and almost twenty five and a
53:51
Speaker 1: half points a game. What more could you ask for,
53:54
Speaker 1: Ray in terms of a tailor made defensive opponent. To
53:57
Speaker 1: get your offense right for the first time this season,
54:01
Speaker 1: not over a quarter, not over a half, but over
54:04
Speaker 1: sixty minutes of football should be.
54:07
Speaker 2: I mean, all of everything you just said is true.
54:10
Speaker 2: And if you if you look at it logically and
54:13
Speaker 2: you just look at it on paper, yeah, I mean
54:15
Speaker 2: you you would certainly think that I've talked about the
54:19
Speaker 2: fact that the Giants are pretty good upfront on defense
54:21
Speaker 2: than they are you know, they got lots of problems
54:25
Speaker 2: in the back end, and the Eagles will have an
54:28
Speaker 2: opportunity to make plays there with all of their receivers
54:31
Speaker 2: in this game. If they can protect the quarterback, you know,
54:35
Speaker 2: if they can if they can keep Jalen nerds comfortable there,
54:39
Speaker 2: he can have he can have a big day and
54:41
Speaker 2: all of those guys will get fed. You know, aj
54:44
Speaker 2: will get fed, Devonte' get fed. They'll all get it
54:47
Speaker 2: because you can make a ton of big plays against
54:50
Speaker 2: this secondary, but you got to block the guys up
54:52
Speaker 2: front first.
54:54
Speaker 1: You know, this is a Giants team to me, like
54:57
Speaker 1: a jackal and high type team. Obviously, they can't find
55:01
Speaker 1: their way in the road. They had five turnovers against
55:04
Speaker 1: the Saints. They have eight for the season. Their minus
55:07
Speaker 1: five and the takeaway giveaway department. But when they're playing
55:10
Speaker 1: at home and they've only won one game, but they
55:13
Speaker 1: did hold Kansas City at home to twenty two points,
55:16
Speaker 1: and they held a pretty good Chargers team to eighteen
55:19
Speaker 1: points at home. And I agree with you one hundred
55:22
Speaker 1: percent the Eagles should blow this team out. But number
55:25
Speaker 1: one is a divisional game. Number two, for whatever reason,
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Speaker 1: they seem to be a little bit more comfortable in
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Speaker 1: their environment than they are in the road.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, although I don't know, we all know how what
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Speaker 2: Eagles games up in that stadium sound like, you don't
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Speaker 2: have Giants had a home field advantage against it. They
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Speaker 2: had a significant home field advantage against Chiefs, you know,
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Speaker 2: and they did against Chargers. It ain't going to be
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Speaker 2: that way with the Eagles, because we've seen Eagles Giants
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Speaker 2: games up there in recent years and it sounds like
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Speaker 2: an Eagles home game. So I think the idea that
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Speaker 2: they have a certain home field advantage is probably neutralized
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Speaker 2: by the fact that the Eagles will have so many
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Speaker 2: people up there, I expect, and also just judging by
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Speaker 2: what I'm kind of here and coming out of New
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Speaker 2: York after that fiasco in New Orleans, that people are
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Speaker 2: really disgusted the Giants fans are, you know, I think
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Speaker 2: they came in and you know, shame on me. I
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Speaker 2: kind of bought some of it. I saw a couple
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Speaker 2: of preseason games, saw him against the Jets. I'm against
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Speaker 2: the Patriots. Thought they looked pretty good. I liked Dart
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Speaker 2: a lot. I like their defensive line. And it might
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Speaker 2: have even been with you that we were talking about
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Speaker 2: it and I said, I think the Giants are going
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Speaker 2: to be a surprise team this year that I think
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Speaker 2: right now I would pick them to finish ahead of
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Speaker 2: the Cowboys if you asked me a bold prediction. That
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Speaker 2: would have been in well five weeks in now. Giants
56:50
Speaker 2: kind of looked like the Giants. You're at a but
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Speaker 2: we're at a point now with the Eagles where they
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Speaker 2: can't afford to take anything for granted. I mean, to me,
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Speaker 2: this is a game the Eagles have to go up there,
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Speaker 2: and as we both said, just take control right away.
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Speaker 2: You're the better team. Just go out there and just
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Speaker 2: blow this team out of the stadium, because they can
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Speaker 2: do it. And I think the short week, you know,
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Speaker 2: the obviously been miserable after losing to Denver in the game,
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Speaker 2: and they know they should have won. You know, I'm
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Speaker 2: looking at this as a get right kind of game
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Speaker 2: for them. They need one, and I think they got
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Speaker 2: the right opponent.
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Speaker 1: All right, my friend, the moment, the truth. What are
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Speaker 1: you predicting score wise?
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Speaker 2: I'm I'm gonna go I'm gonna say they're gonna blow
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Speaker 2: them out. I'm gonna say Eagles thirty one to thirteen.
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, wow.
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Speaker 1: Well, I don't disagree with you, but because of what
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Speaker 1: we've watched over the first five games, I can't pick
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Speaker 1: the Eagles to blow out anybody until I see them
57:54
Speaker 1: blow it out anybody. I picked the Eagles to be
57:57
Speaker 1: Denver twenty four to fourteen. Well, we saw how that
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Speaker 1: turned out, didn't we. So I think because it's the
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Speaker 1: divisional game, the Giants team to play a little bit
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Speaker 1: better at home. I think it's gonna be one of
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Speaker 1: those backyard divisional brawls. Obviously, the Eagles have much better
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Speaker 1: talent than the Giants do. The Giants are putting a
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Speaker 1: rookie quarterback under center against Vic Vangiel's defense. I don't
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Speaker 1: think the Giants will score more than fourteen points, and
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Speaker 1: I do believe one of their testdowns will come up
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Speaker 1: coming slock time at the end of a game. But
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Speaker 1: I don't know if the Eagles can score more than
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Speaker 1: twenty one, twenty two points against this Giants team on
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Speaker 1: the road. I'm gonna take the Eagles twenty to fourteen.
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Speaker 1: Twenty to fourteen. I'm gonna stick with that.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I think I think a little bit more on
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Speaker 2: the side of that. I think they'll get some takeaways,
58:44
Speaker 2: and you know, I think the defense will give them
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Speaker 2: some short fields and some opportunity points. I'm looking for
58:50
Speaker 2: it to be a pretty easy kind of win if
58:54
Speaker 2: you listen to the personnel matchups. It should be. But
58:57
Speaker 2: this has been a strange season. I will agree with
58:59
Speaker 2: you there, but I'm gonna thirty one thirteen.
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Speaker 1: Man, you have more faith than eagles right now than
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Speaker 1: I do. I'll give you that, all right. That's gonna
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Speaker 1: wrap up this preview edition of Birds Weekly, presented by
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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer Raid Dinger. I'm Derek Gunn. So long, everybody,