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Halle Berry Loses Physical Custody Of Son To Ex Oliver Martinez · I Do, Part 2

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Speaker 1: After nearly two weeks of testimony, including six hours from
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Speaker 1: a 13-year-old boy, a judge has ruled that Halle Berry,
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Speaker 1: at least temporarily, has lost physical custody of her son, Maceo.
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Speaker 1: And with that, everyone, welcome to this episode of Amy
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Speaker 1: and TJ. It's Friday, October 30th. And this is just
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Speaker 1: devastating for everyone to read about, but certainly for Halle Berry,
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Speaker 1: who has spent literally the past two weeks going to
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Speaker 1: court with cameras in her face, watching her young son
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Speaker 1: or 13-year-old son testify. Actually, she didn't see him. It
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Speaker 1: was done without either parent there. But just, I can't
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Speaker 1: imagine the emotional exhaustion and and just the difficulty of
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Speaker 1: doing this in private, but instead doing it with the
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Speaker 1: world watching.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what any of this necessarily means. I
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Speaker 2: just know the headlines are devastating, and this has become,
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Speaker 2: and maybe you can give me an idea, I don't
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Speaker 2: know how much this has actually been covered in a
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Speaker 2: mainstream way, if you will. There are certainly some celebrity outlets,
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Speaker 2: and there are then tabloids, So I don't know where
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Speaker 2: this is rising to the level. Do you have a
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Speaker 2: sense of where this is?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think, oh, it's extended beyond tabloids.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how you would consider People magazine,
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Speaker 1: but then you've got USA Today and ABC News. And yes,
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Speaker 1: all of the main outlets are reporting on this because, look,
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Speaker 1: Halle Berry is an Oscar-winning actress who, who is beloved
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Speaker 1: by many, certainly obviously a household name, widely regarded as
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Speaker 1: the most beautiful woman in the world, the first black
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Speaker 1: woman to win an Oscar. Yes, anything that Halle Berry
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Speaker 1: does or doesn't do or anything related to Halle Berry
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Speaker 1: is going to make big headlines. And this is just
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Speaker 1: an unfortunate one.
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Speaker 2: Um, yeah, I don't look, uh, this story and these,
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Speaker 2: these headlines, you can't get away. I mean, the facts
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Speaker 2: are what they are. The truth is the truth. And
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Speaker 2: this is happening. This is happening in her life. Um,
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Speaker 2: the way it's being discussed, I guess, is the problem. Um,
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Speaker 2: too often, a lot of these stories, people can say
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Speaker 2: what they want to say on social media and whatnot,
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Speaker 2: but How it's billed and sold is something really, really salacious.
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Speaker 2: And the headlines are awful. And we actually don't know
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Speaker 2: the truth of the matter. But we do know that
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Speaker 2: she and her ex have been fighting... Like my whole
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Speaker 2: relationship life, it feels like these two have been added
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Speaker 2: in court.
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Speaker 1: Yes. I believe it took them eight years to get
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Speaker 1: divorced and they only had a two-year marriage. So that
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Speaker 1: speaks volumes just in terms of how they're able to
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Speaker 1: communicate not well. And to your point, this is something
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Speaker 1: I think we want to bring to our listeners' attention
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Speaker 1: just because we've lived it and we've lived it personally
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Speaker 1: and professionally. But so often these types of cases come
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Speaker 1: down to who's got a better PR team or who
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Speaker 1: has a better relationship with which outlet. And then certain
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Speaker 1: headlines are shifted a certain way. And yes, it can
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Speaker 1: be an incredibly painful and difficult exercise because yeah, the
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Speaker 1: truth is probably somewhere in between, but we don't ever
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Speaker 1: actually know what's happened. And look, there was a little
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Speaker 1: bit of good news, obviously the headline that she lost
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Speaker 1: physical custody of her son. And that she has no
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Speaker 1: overnight visits with him. That is devastating. But the perhaps
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Speaker 1: just one slight win that her team did highlight when
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Speaker 1: they reacted to the news, when they gave a statement
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Speaker 1: following the judge's ruling on Thursday, they said that, look,
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Speaker 1: at least. The temporary restraining order that Olivier Martinez was
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Speaker 1: granted initially has been dissolved, and his request for a
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Speaker 1: permanent domestic violence restraining order was denied. I guess those
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Speaker 1: were the small victories that Halle Berry's team received, but
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Speaker 1: the one that she wanted more than anything was taken
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Speaker 1: from her.
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Speaker 2: And what's his name, right? As I'm sitting here, I'm
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Speaker 2: asking the listeners, what's his name? Do folks know his name?
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Speaker 2: Probably not. And that's kind of the point here you
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Speaker 2: were making as well, Robes, that she's the Oscar winner.
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Speaker 2: She's the star here. So everything is Halle Berry's ex wins.
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Speaker 2: Even if they throw his name in there, Olivier Martinez,
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Speaker 2: if people really, you know, so she has to suffer that.
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Speaker 2: Everybody's using her name. to get their clicks. Everybody's using
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Speaker 2: her name to make it as salacious as possible. It's
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Speaker 2: her name. This is pain, man. Report on it, and
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Speaker 2: I get it. And that's fine. It's legit based on
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Speaker 2: who she is and her relevance. But my God, Rose,
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Speaker 2: we just know the pain that people feel. It's not
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Speaker 2: a right or wrong. Just dumping on people and pouncing
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Speaker 2: on them when it's the most painful thing. This is
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Speaker 2: a mama thing. who really I've seen give a damn
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Speaker 2: about her kids. Obviously she does, Robes.
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Speaker 1: Yes, and to that point, I actually want to, because look,
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Speaker 1: to everything you're saying, yes, yes, and yes. Anyone who
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Speaker 1: has been through a divorce, anyone listening who has been
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Speaker 1: through a custody hearing knows how dirty it can get.
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Speaker 1: knows that you can take something where there was a
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Speaker 1: little bit of truth. Obviously something happened between Maceo and
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Speaker 1: Halle Berry on that night a couple of weeks ago.
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Speaker 1: And it just, the context is so important. So yes,
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Speaker 1: Maceo testified for six hours and Halle Berry didn't want
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Speaker 1: him to. Her assertion, her team's assertion was that he
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Speaker 1: is under the constant influence of his father, whose main
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Speaker 1: goal is to alienate him from his mother. And so, look,
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Speaker 1: you have to take that into consideration. Those allegations and
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Speaker 1: those realities take place all the time in custody hearings.
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Speaker 1: So just because a 13-year-old testifies to something doesn't even
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Speaker 1: mean that's exactly what happened. She asserts and she believes
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Speaker 1: he's been coached because his father lets him get away
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Speaker 1: and do whatever he wants. She's trying to impose rules
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Speaker 1: and boundaries and she's trying to be a strict mom.
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of parents can understand that frustration
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Speaker 1: and then to have, yeah, the good guy, the good
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Speaker 1: parent versus the bad parent. And when kids are young
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Speaker 1: and malleable and don't understand the complexities of what's going
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Speaker 1: on and not even realize that maybe, yes, Maceo maybe
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Speaker 1: was being used as a pawn in all of this
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Speaker 1: so that someone can get power or victory over another
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Speaker 1: because there are deep-seated resentments.
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Speaker 2: Okay, but here we are. I mean, we have the dad.
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Speaker 2: You have to leave space. Yes. For the dad, if
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Speaker 2: this dad thinks his child is literally under physical threat
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Speaker 2: if he's around his mother, every parent hearing that would
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Speaker 2: take particular action. We can relate to that.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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Speaker 2: It's just, I'm telling you, almost impossible to believe that
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Speaker 2: Halle Berry was choking out her son. The way it's
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Speaker 2: being described. It's hard to believe.
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Speaker 1: And there were no bruises. There was no physical evidence.
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Speaker 2: Really hard to believe that. So it's not a matter
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Speaker 2: of saying the kid was lying. It's not how did
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Speaker 2: he represent it to his dad. And if we sound
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Speaker 2: like homers, we've said it plenty. Robes, I just, we are,
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Speaker 2: or I am. Look, I just, she's near and dear, Robes,
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Speaker 2: to us for very personal reasons. And I just don't,
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Speaker 2: it's just my heart breaks for her. To see what's
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Speaker 2: happening right now. And it's not making a judgment on
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Speaker 2: who's right and who's wrong and what actually happened and
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Speaker 2: who's responsible. And everybody could have a hand in being responsible.
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Speaker 2: But to think this is the best way to go
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Speaker 2: about it is hard. For any of them, it's hard
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Speaker 2: to understand.
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Speaker 1: It's hard. Yes, it's very hard. And it's so sad.
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Speaker 1: And by the way, you said, who's her husband? I
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Speaker 1: actually was mispronouncing his name. I know who he is,
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Speaker 1: only because there's one movie that I think a lot
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Speaker 1: of people, they started a movie together, which started their relationship.
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Speaker 1: But the movie that everyone tends to know Olivier Martinez
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Speaker 1: from is... Unfaithful.
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Speaker 2: You said tend to know.
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Speaker 1: That's the only one that they know.
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Speaker 2: He was a French actor. He had a good career,
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Speaker 2: a solid career, but not necessarily an American and English.
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Speaker 1: And not necessarily a household name. At least I think
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Speaker 1: anyone I know that I mispronounced his name a couple
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Speaker 1: of times. Olivia Martinez.
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Speaker 2: Olivia. It makes more sense now because it looks like
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Speaker 2: he looks like he was left from Latin America. Oliver Martinez.
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Speaker 1: Right, that's what I thought. I was like, wait, no,
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Speaker 1: he's French. Olivier Martinez, yes. But he, look, to take
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Speaker 1: it to a family court, he knew damn well that
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Speaker 1: this was going to be a massive story. And I just, look, again,
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Speaker 1: if he felt like his son's life was under that
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Speaker 1: much threat, that he was willing to put his son,
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Speaker 1: his former relationship, and his ex-wife in a glaring hot spotlight...
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Speaker 1: I would want to believe that a parent would only
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Speaker 1: do that if they felt like their child's physical safety
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Speaker 1: was in dire threat, under dire threat.
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Speaker 2: And look, we have to give him the benefit of
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Speaker 2: the doubt. We have to. The reason some might not
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Speaker 2: is based on everything that we have seen in these
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Speaker 2: headlines over the past several years where these two have
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Speaker 2: been going at it. It takes eight years to get divorced.
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Speaker 2: This is a guy she's still paying. What is the percentage?
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Speaker 1: Over... $ 8, 000 a month in child support and.
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Speaker 2: The percentage over what? 10 or 20 million she makes?
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Speaker 1: I thought it was over 2 million. Anything she made
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Speaker 1: over $ 2 million, she had to give him 4 point
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Speaker 1: something percent. Yeah. So it's a significant amount of money.
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Speaker 1: I can understand where there would be a significant amount
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Speaker 1: of resentment in towards him with that because here you
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Speaker 1: are busting your ass. She's still working. She's still producing movies.
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Speaker 1: And to think that you're working to pay someone who
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Speaker 1: you were only married to for two years who has
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Speaker 1: spent the last eight years trying to tear you apart publicly.
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Speaker 2: What was that line about the white man taking money
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Speaker 2: from a black woman? What was that thing?
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Speaker 1: Yes. That was funny. Look, there have been plenty of
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Speaker 1: text messages that have leaked back and forth between Halle
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Speaker 1: Berry and Olivia Martinez and some of the things she
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Speaker 1: reportedly said to her son. Out of frustration because her
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Speaker 1: claims have been all along that Olivia Martinez undermines every
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Speaker 1: bit of discipline she tries to impose on her son
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Speaker 1: from his grades to any sort of therapy he may need.
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Speaker 1: That Olivia just says, no, you can do whatever you
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Speaker 1: want and completely undermines her ability to discipline and guide
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Speaker 1: her child as she sees fit.
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Speaker 2: Any parent listening will go, I can see that.
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Speaker 1: Yes, you can see that. And again, I think a
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Speaker 1: lot of women, I am only speaking personally, understand what
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Speaker 1: it's like to have to constantly be the bad guy,
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Speaker 1: to constantly have to be the one who's the disciplinarian
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Speaker 1: because you have someone who knows, oh, wow, if I
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Speaker 1: just give my child everything they want, they'll like me more.
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Speaker 1: And that's sad that that happens, but it does. And
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Speaker 1: it will always probably happen because people don't put a
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Speaker 1: child's best interest at heart. They put their own feelings,
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Speaker 1: their own ego, their own needs, their own wants ahead
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Speaker 1: of that, whether they want to admit it or not.
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Speaker 2: That is, well, I'm still laughing. I'm trying to think
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Speaker 2: of the line. I'm sorry.
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Speaker 1: You're looking for the black woman, white man.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I can pull it up. Okay, I'm not looking
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Speaker 2: for it, but I was trying to remember it as
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Speaker 2: you were sitting there. Because of all that's going back
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Speaker 2: and forth, and I go, well, maybe not this. Well,
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Speaker 2: who knows? And it's his side, and that's her side,
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Speaker 2: and da, da, da. This was the one thing I
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Speaker 2: heard that I went, okay, maybe she said that.
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Speaker 1: Because it reads, right?
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Speaker 2: That one for me, it did read a little bit.
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Speaker 2: It fit perfectly with what I know of her, and
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Speaker 2: it fit perfectly with the circumstances, for God's sake. I
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Speaker 2: could see that being upsetting. But you don't say that
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Speaker 2: to your child.
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Speaker 1: Yes, and honestly, it's as obvious as we thought it was.
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Speaker 1: This was back three years ago during a dispute over
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Speaker 1: child support money. Barry reportedly told their son, according to
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Speaker 1: court filings, quote, Martinez, your dad, is a white man
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Speaker 1: trying to take money from a black woman. And then
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Speaker 1: she said, how does that make you feel as a
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Speaker 1: black man?
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Speaker 2: Okay, that one is okay. I mean, maybe she said that.
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Speaker 2: It's okay. That one is, that's hilarious. Yes.
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Speaker 1: I was going to quickly read the very brief statements
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Speaker 1: that both sides gave. Barry's folks said, we are extremely
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Speaker 1: pleased that the court has dissolved the TRO, temporary restraining order.
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Speaker 1: As we move forward, Hallie is determined to continue to
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Speaker 1: focus on the well-being and best interests of her family. Martinez,
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Speaker 1: his attorney's statement just said that his client, having Primary
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Speaker 1: physical custody is a, quote, huge victory, and left it
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Speaker 1: at that. But when we come back, we're going to
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Speaker 1: tell you, and this, I think, is really important to hear,
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Speaker 1: what Halle Berry's daughter, her 18-year-old daughter, Nala Aubrey, wrote
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Speaker 1: to the court on behalf of her mother. Welcome back, everyone,
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Speaker 1: to Amy and TJ. A big, big story that happened
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Speaker 1: on Thursday out of Los Angeles, a story that a
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Speaker 1: lot of outlets have been covering exhaustively. Halle Berry officially,
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Speaker 1: and I should say officially temporarily, lost physical custody of
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Speaker 1: her 13-year-old son, Maceo, who she shares with her ex-husband,
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Speaker 1: Olivia Martinez. He was granted full physical custody. They both
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Speaker 1: still share legal custody, and we should point out it
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Speaker 1: is temporary. The judge has asked, this is exhausting. They've
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Speaker 1: already spent two weeks in court, but they've asked that
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Speaker 1: both parties return to court in November. We don't have
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Speaker 1: an exact date to go forward with a ruling on
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Speaker 1: permanent custody. So this was temporary and there'll be another
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Speaker 1: proceeding sometime next month to determine permanent custody. So there
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Speaker 1: is a lot at stake and we're getting worried about
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Speaker 1: what Halle Berry's daughter, Nala, told the court. And I
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Speaker 1: believe she testified via Zoom, but she also actually physically
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Speaker 1: wrote a document for the judge to consider.
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Speaker 2: This is, what is she, she's 17, 18? She's 18
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Speaker 2: and she's in college. Is she at.
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Speaker 1: I think she's at Spelman. Look, Halle Berry had posted,
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Speaker 1: and look, I've noticed, and every celebrity handles their kids differently,
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Speaker 1: but she has always been so respectful about her children's privacy.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what either of her children look like, actually.
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Speaker 1: I mean, most of the time she shows the back
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Speaker 1: of their head or just, you know, she's been, and
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Speaker 1: you've had interviews with her where she has been very,
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Speaker 1: very considerate and conscientious about her fame and what that
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Speaker 1: might mean for her kids. So that's why this custody,
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Speaker 1: this ugly, nasty public custody battle is so contrary to
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Speaker 1: everything she has at least presented to the world.
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Speaker 2: And why would anybody want to present this? How hard
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Speaker 2: is it for her to walk out there? What are
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Speaker 2: they yelling at her? She has had the exact same
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Speaker 2: smile on her face as she has to walk in
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Speaker 2: and out of that courtroom every day with that stuff
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Speaker 2: in her face. Look, she knows this game better than anybody.
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Speaker 2: She's been dealing with it for 30, 40 years of
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Speaker 2: her career.
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Speaker 1: She's had a lot of tumult in her personal life.
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Speaker 2: She gets it, babe. But man, to go through this,
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Speaker 2: this is your kid. She's supposed to be at an
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Speaker 2: age now enjoying all this.
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Speaker 1: You know what? You make such a good point. Look,
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Speaker 1: it's one thing she has had multiple relationships and yes,
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Speaker 1: they've been controversial and they've been public and you can
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Speaker 1: start rattling off the names. It's one thing when you're
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Speaker 1: being personally attacked as a, maybe as a spouse or
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Speaker 1: a girlfriend or a fiance, it's another thing to be
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Speaker 1: attacked as a mother. That is the lowest blow. That
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Speaker 1: is the, you know, it's funny, you, anytime we've ever
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Speaker 1: interviewed anyone, I'm imagining you've had the same experience. People
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Speaker 1: can be stoic and strong about anything they're accused of
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Speaker 1: or anything they're trying to defend. But if you bring
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Speaker 1: their kids into it, if you ask, how it's impacting
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Speaker 1: their kids or how they feel about, or if it
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Speaker 1: has anything to do with their role as a parent, waterworks.
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Speaker 1: That's where the emotion is. That's, I think, how we actually,
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Speaker 1: a lot of us judge our worth based on our kids,
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Speaker 1: how they turned out, how they're viewed, how we're viewed
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Speaker 1: as parents.
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Speaker 2: How many times have I told you or told anybody
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Speaker 2: listening that story that it was the first question I
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Speaker 2: asked her, the first time I met her, we sat
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Speaker 2: down for the first interview. And she immediately corrected me
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Speaker 2: when I started talking about her accolades. Say, you're known
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Speaker 2: as this, Oscar winner. You're known as this, iconically beautiful.
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Speaker 2: Before I could even get to the next thing, she said, well,
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Speaker 2: I'm a mom. Like, why do you start there? Like,
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Speaker 2: she didn't get nasty, but she immediately, just what you describe,
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Speaker 2: talking about waterworks and talking about the kids. Like, okay,
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Speaker 2: you listed how great I am. What about this thing?
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Speaker 2: She wants that. She knows how hard she works. I've
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Speaker 2: told you, babe, plenty of times, I reached out. She said,
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Speaker 2: let me hit you back. I'm running here to pick
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Speaker 2: up the kids. I'm running here to do this with
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Speaker 2: the kids. It's always that. So this is painful to watch, man.
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Speaker 1: It certainly is.
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Speaker 2: This is painful to watch.
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Speaker 1: I imagine she took a lot of solace in what
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Speaker 1: her daughter had to say about her to the court.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to read some of what she wrote because
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Speaker 1: it really is important, I think, in terms of the
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Speaker 1: context of the story and the headlines. Having lived with
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Speaker 1: my mom my entire life and having personally observed her
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Speaker 1: relationship with Macio for years, the allegations are completely inconsistent
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Speaker 1: with the mom I know. She said that her mom
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Speaker 1: is a loving and devoted parent who has always encouraged
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Speaker 1: both her and her brother to maintain loving relationships with
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Speaker 1: our fathers.
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Speaker 2: That's huge.
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Speaker 1: She also accused Martinez of being on a quest to
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Speaker 1: destroy my mom. She said she is heartbroken to see
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Speaker 1: Maceo become the subject of a public dispute that he
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Speaker 1: may not fully understand.
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Speaker 2: Wow. That was well said. Yep.
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Speaker 1: And wait till you hear this next part. Based on
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Speaker 1: my observations throughout Maceo's life, I believe he loves our
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Speaker 1: mom very much and shares a close bond with her.
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Speaker 1: I have seen him hug her, kiss her, tell her
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Speaker 1: he loves her, seek her comfort and enjoy spending time
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Speaker 1: with her. At the same time, I have also witnessed
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Speaker 1: occasions when Maceo has been disrespectful and at times aggressive
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Speaker 1: and unwilling to follow rules at home. When that occurred,
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Speaker 1: my mom responded the same way she did with me
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Speaker 1: when I was growing up, by enforcing appropriate boundaries and consequences,
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Speaker 1: such as limiting screen time, imposing timeouts, or restricting access
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Speaker 1: to electronics and playdates. I never observed anything abusive about
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Speaker 1: her parenting.
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Speaker 2: Did she write that herself?
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Speaker 1: If she did, look.
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Speaker 2: That's crazy impressive.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it? And it gave me chills because I think
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Speaker 1: that will resonate with anyone listening who has been a
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Speaker 1: disciplinarian for the sake of wanting their kids to be
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Speaker 1: the best versions of themselves and at the cost of
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Speaker 1: knowing they might be mad at you in that moment,
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Speaker 1: at the cost of knowing they might be upset with
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Speaker 1: the consequence. But that's the whole point of being a parent.
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Speaker 1: You're teaching them that life has consequences and certain choices
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Speaker 1: and in outcomes that you might not like. And that
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Speaker 1: is what our job as a parent is to do.
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Speaker 1: It's not to prepare the road for our kids. but
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Speaker 1: to prepare our kids for the road and life is
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Speaker 1: not fair and life has rules. And I appreciate hearing
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Speaker 1: her daughter say that because it's, we, I don't always,
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Speaker 1: but that is, I think a lot of times what
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Speaker 1: we all want for our kids, but it is hard
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Speaker 1: if you feel like someone is undermining your ability to
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Speaker 1: do that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I ain't your friend. I think we all agree. Well,
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Speaker 2: most part that is what parenting is supposed to be.
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Speaker 2: And it does get uncomfortable. And sometimes the kid won't
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Speaker 2: like you because you seem to be the enemy. The
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Speaker 2: problem in that, in parenting robes, is when you have
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Speaker 2: an angry ex who can take that discomfort in your
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Speaker 2: relationship with the child and exploit it to improve their
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Speaker 2: own relationship or loyalties with the child. If she was
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Speaker 2: a single mom right now, this would all be going
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Speaker 2: down a little differently.
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Speaker 1: Macy, it would be upset with her because she told
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Speaker 1: him he couldn't play his game station, his virtual reality anymore,
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Speaker 1: and had to clean up his room.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Just what the actual real story is, we'll never
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Speaker 2: fully know. It's just we know this is a shame.
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Speaker 1: It is a shame.
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Speaker 2: Especially for the kid. You got tested for six hours.
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Speaker 2: Which parent I like better? What has happened? Oh, my God.
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Speaker 2: That's awful. Awful, awful, awful. And what is she doing
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Speaker 2: with him now? What is their relationship like now? What
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Speaker 2: kind of back and forth are they having? This kid's 13.
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Speaker 2: He needs his mama. He's in this particular age. She's
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Speaker 2: been there with him his whole life. And all of
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Speaker 2: a sudden, what, they're not talking? That's devastating, man.
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Speaker 1: It is devastating.
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Speaker 2: Devastating.
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Speaker 1: It is devastating, and it's not over. As we pointed out,
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Speaker 1: the judge is still planning on making a permanent decision.
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Speaker 1: Right now, this is, again, temporary. Martinez, listen to this,
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Speaker 1: even wanted to limit her ability to see Maceo on
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Speaker 1: the holidays. The judge did not honor that either. But,
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Speaker 1: I mean, he wants almost no contact, it seems.
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Speaker 2: Sounds like a bit much, doesn't it? That sounds like
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Speaker 2: a bit much. That sounds a little more vindictive. That
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Speaker 2: sounds like a lot. Again, but hey, if you're a parent,
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Speaker 2: same thing. We got to give him, maybe he thinks
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Speaker 2: he's being the best parent ever and the best dad
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Speaker 2: because he has to protect the kid, physically protect him.
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Speaker 2: If he thinks that, Jesus, your kid is under physical
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Speaker 2: threat from the only black woman to win a Best
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Speaker 2: Actress Oscar. She is a threat to her own child.
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Speaker 2: That's a big, big, big, big statement.
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Speaker 1: Yes, without any physical evidence to back that up. But
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Speaker 1: we will keep watching this story. But I just hope
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Speaker 1: you all can read the headlines and the stories through
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Speaker 1: the lens we just offered and understand that, my God,
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Speaker 1: this is tough to do privately. It's excruciating to do
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Speaker 1: it publicly. And with that, everyone, we always appreciate you
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Speaker 1: listening to us. I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ Holmes. We'll
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Speaker 1: talk to you soon.