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M and M EXTRA 07.23.26 | Darline, Mitch, Mike’s Going to The Odyssey and Mark’s Heart Procedure · The M&M Experience

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Speaker 1: Welcome to a meeting of the minds crafted from decades
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Speaker 1: of talk show experience, an extension of the magic they've
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Speaker 1: created together on radio in the phenomenon called M and
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Speaker 1: M Hot Topics in the News and Wisdom from Life.
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Speaker 1: It's Mark Davis and Mike Gallagher. This is eminem extra.
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Speaker 2: It is with great fanfare and a big open heart
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Speaker 2: that we welcome him back literally an openert. Now, look,
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Speaker 2: I don't know, it's not. It's three days, so it's not.
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Speaker 2: That's just a normal vacation in Mark Davis world. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you kidding me. But in this case it was a
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Speaker 2: little bit different. It was a medical issue. And I
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Speaker 2: teased yesterday on the podcast that when you come back
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Speaker 2: today you'll understand where you were. You'll you'll explain. Now, look,
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Speaker 2: I got no control editorial over what you say or do,
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Speaker 2: but can we not do nine hours on the procedure
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Speaker 2: itself like you did this morning on your show.
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Speaker 3: Thank you. I did that. I gave people a completely detailed,
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Speaker 3: granular walk through this, and folks seemed to enjoy it.
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Speaker 3: Because there are some folks who might be up for
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Speaker 3: a heart catheterization, which is what I had done on Monday.
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Speaker 3: It all started with my Biascan of Los Colinas calcification
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Speaker 3: score being sufficiently high that they said, well, let's do
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Speaker 3: a ct angiogram. And then they did that, and my
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Speaker 3: cardiologists looked at that and said, oh, okay, maybe you
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Speaker 3: want to look specifically at the left anterior descending artery.
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Speaker 3: The widow Maker love that name, and so they did that.
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Speaker 3: In the great news was it was fine. I'm going
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Speaker 3: to continue to drop some pounds and do some things
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Speaker 3: and make some good lifestyle choices, and I should be
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Speaker 3: absolutely fine. But the curiosity they had about a particular
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Speaker 3: blockage in a particular place was not the case. And
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Speaker 3: that something about that catheterization where they send that wire
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Speaker 3: in through your arm, that's what I get this thing
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Speaker 3: on here for. I'm still not supposed to move my
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Speaker 3: wrist very much. It's about another day. He doesn't. It
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Speaker 3: does not. It was very tender for a couple of
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Speaker 3: days because they gotta, you know, you know, drive that
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Speaker 3: thing into your we go the soft sound effects. He's
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Speaker 3: gotta do this sound. I love that.
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Speaker 2: Do you remember the comedian years ago who used to
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Speaker 2: do that? I used to do a sound effect with
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Speaker 2: his mouth. Who was that guy?
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Speaker 3: Well, there there were a number of folks who had
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Speaker 3: just were almost everything they did was kind of yeah,
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Speaker 3: you know that that kind of stuff. Well, are you
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Speaker 3: thinking of Spike Jones, No, who did a lot of
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Speaker 3: old bits.
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Speaker 2: He was like the Don Rickles, kind of the roasts.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. There was a guy though, when I
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Speaker 2: was a kid, and he would do all these funny
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Speaker 2: sound effects. You were describing the procedure this morning on
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Speaker 2: your talk show in great detail, and as you described it,
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Speaker 2: you would say, well, now when the when the tube
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Speaker 2: goes into your oc make you always make all these
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Speaker 2: noise noises. And it's just.
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Speaker 3: A guy named Wes Harrison. I've never heard of him.
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Speaker 3: Michael Michael Winslow is the guy who is in the
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Speaker 3: police account any movies you can do like helicopters, And
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Speaker 3: I think it's him.
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Speaker 2: I think like And when I mentioned you earlier, Mark
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Speaker 2: people said that, and I said that, He said, who
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Speaker 2: else does that? Mark does this thing where he's describing
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Speaker 2: and you do this with everything You'll talk about very much. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: you'd make these little noises. It's just why we love
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Speaker 2: you. You're endearing and and even going on for seven hours
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Speaker 2: and thirty seven minutes so exactly. Our feature entailed, we
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Speaker 2: love that about you.
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Speaker 3: And that's funny because you heard the beginning, but I
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Speaker 3: don't know if you heard the time that I devoted
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Speaker 3: to it, and then I didn't hear.
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Speaker 2: I know this, listen podcast, folks. This was a two
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Speaker 2: part conversation on the mark most.
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Speaker 3: Certainly was and I'll tell you one thing, and this
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Speaker 3: was the thing that I thought was going to be
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Speaker 3: podcast only, but I decided, what the heck, And that's
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Speaker 3: the prep process now going into this thing. When you're
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Speaker 3: going to do a heart catheterization, they got to get
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Speaker 3: to your heart one way or the other. The arm
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Speaker 3: of the wrist, of the radial route is what they
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Speaker 3: usually do, as opposed to what I thought was certainly
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Speaker 3: a possibility, and is of course through the groin, okay,
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Speaker 3: which I did. Nobody wants to do that. I didn't
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Speaker 3: want to do that. There so many that time for
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Speaker 3: that eight o'clock arrival for a nine thirty procedure. I'm
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Speaker 3: in there, Lisa's, you know, getting some stuff ready, and
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Speaker 3: before she they bring her back, they say, okay, you
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Speaker 3: did they tell you about the prep? I said, well,
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Speaker 3: I'm prap. I mean I've been prepared for everything. I
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Speaker 3: feel very prepared. But what do you mean, Well, we're
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Speaker 3: going to shave your arm, you know where the thing
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Speaker 3: goes in. And thought, that's great. I much appreciate that.
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Speaker 3: And then we're gonna say and then we're gonna shave
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Speaker 3: your groin. I said, I beg your pardon, but it's
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Speaker 3: my understanding. This was wrist orient He said, oh, absolutely,
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Speaker 3: that's plan A. That's what we always try to do,
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Speaker 3: and that's like ninety five percent of the time. But
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Speaker 3: if something doesn't work in the wrist, we're going downtown.
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Speaker 3: So I'm getting a full SPA treatment. There we go.
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Speaker 3: It's like it's like all right, all right, so you
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Speaker 3: know I am speed already.
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Speaker 2: And now look, did you say that on the nine
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Speaker 2: o'clock hour on your yes? Sure, because this is definitely
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Speaker 2: PG thirteen because some people would say we didn't really
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Speaker 2: need to hear.
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Speaker 3: Or talking about that. People thinking about my nads on
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Speaker 3: the radio every morning, so you're thinking about it. So
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Speaker 3: I'm thinking, everybody, thank you, thank you.
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Speaker 2: We were all praying for you. Incidentally, uh, you know,
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Speaker 2: me fixated on the on the live chat on YouTube
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Speaker 2: our YouTube channel, and a ton of people are back
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Speaker 2: because they wanted they wanted to anticipate your return. Scott
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Speaker 2: reminded us who it was. I was thinking of, Charlie Callous.
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Speaker 2: That's who of course with nose.
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Speaker 3: Yes, great, Charlie Callous as.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely that's who I think of. So listen, before we
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Speaker 2: continue with Boomer Radio and do more on our medical procedures,
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Speaker 2: you can't bury the lead. So a quick backstory, and
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Speaker 2: and I tied it into God giving us the tools
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Speaker 2: to look out for each other and to look out ourselves.
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Speaker 2: After Lindsay unexpectedly died of an aortic rupture that was
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Speaker 2: apparently brought on by an arterial you know, you know, Arteriller,
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Speaker 2: what it is, arterial sclerosis, which is hardening to the arteries,
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Speaker 2: which is what you we want to hear you're dealing
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Speaker 2: with and I might be dealing with. I went out
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Speaker 2: and got a scan too, because you've got via scan
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Speaker 2: of Las caalinus in uh in the in the Dallas,
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Speaker 2: Texas area. Here in the Tampa Bay area, we have
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Speaker 2: a place called Craft Body Scan. I went over to
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Speaker 2: Craft Body Scan and because and then when you were
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Speaker 2: going through all this, I thought, good, I'm glad we're
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Speaker 2: both doing this we're on top of it. We're gonna
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Speaker 2: we're gonna find out. Well, I got my report back
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Speaker 2: this morning, and I haven't had a doctor review it yet,
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Speaker 2: but it was online, so I'm reading it and it
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Speaker 2: kind of gave me the the the the the summary,
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Speaker 2: the overall summary of my heart lung scan was good.
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Speaker 2: And then on the calcium score, which is pretty crucial.
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Speaker 2: I think my calcium score, My overall calcium score is
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Speaker 2: an eighty four, which chat GPT says isn't normal, but
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Speaker 2: it's mild and you want to keep an eye on it.
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Speaker 2: And they say, the score in the chart here, your
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Speaker 2: calcium score one to one hundred means I have a
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Speaker 2: mild plaque burden. And like you, it looks like the
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Speaker 2: bigger number and I don't even know how to really
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Speaker 2: really analyze this or dissect it. But the big number
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Speaker 2: is the left anterior descending, which you said is the
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Speaker 2: widow maker. Well that's the higher number I've got, which
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Speaker 2: is fifty five, which is still minimal plaque, but there's
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Speaker 2: plaque there. The left main artery is twenty one. Then
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Speaker 2: the left circumflex whatever that is, is an eight, and
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Speaker 2: then everything else is a zero. Looks like my right
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Speaker 2: side's perfect, my left side we got to be worried
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Speaker 2: about the left is it? And the total calcium score
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Speaker 2: is eighty four? So I asked you what's your total
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Speaker 2: calcium score? And Intermark Davis, you still don't know.
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Speaker 3: No, I do.
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Speaker 2: Now because I'm after you badgered me and berated me
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Speaker 2: for not I've been waiting all damn day for you
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Speaker 2: to tell me not nervous now and now here's the reveal.
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Speaker 3: And I'm going to lead up to that reveal with
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Speaker 3: an interesting text you sent me this morning. I think
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Speaker 3: during the show you said that you just spoke to
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Speaker 3: somebody on your text line who had a pretty I
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Speaker 3: mean lowis sort of like yours calcification, but wound up
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Speaker 3: needing had a massive blockage. Right. You want to know why? Why?
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Speaker 2: Because the texture claimed I didn't tell you the whole text.
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Speaker 2: I didn't just share all this with you. They claim there.
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Speaker 2: I guess there's two kinds of plaque. Is there's soft.
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Speaker 3: Plac I had doctor Duncan on the show this If
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Speaker 3: everybody go to six sixty AMI Answer dot Com podcast
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Speaker 3: nine o'clock hour, you get my full blow by blow
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Speaker 3: of the prep and everything else and a quick chat
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Speaker 3: with doctor Duncan's question, I said, list, I've been telling
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Speaker 3: everybody about this, how can there be a bit of
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Speaker 3: a divergence between what your calcification score might be and
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Speaker 3: the actual blockage you have? Because I'm the inverse. I'm
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Speaker 3: the inverse of that guy. He had a pretty okay
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Speaker 3: calcification score and a big old blockage. I had only
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Speaker 3: a twenty or thirty percent stenosis. Seventy is when they
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Speaker 3: put a stint in and you want to know what my.
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Speaker 2: Score was because your calcium score, Yeah, yours what eighty four?
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Speaker 3: This guy's seventy two? Know what mine was? Two hundred
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Speaker 3: and eighty five. Now you know they go into the
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Speaker 3: four hundreds, they go deep into the four I mean,
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Speaker 3: you know, it could be crazy. But so I've got
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Speaker 3: like an overall circulatory efficiency issue that can be helped
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Speaker 3: with diet, exercise, lifestyle stuff. But that's the kind of
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Speaker 3: thing that made them want to go in and look
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Speaker 3: and see is there something that's really blocking stuff in
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Speaker 3: a particular place. And for me, that answer was thankfully no.
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Speaker 2: So that's thank God, thank God, And that's and look,
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Speaker 2: look this sounds so selfish of me, but I was
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Speaker 2: as worried as I am. And look, I'm worried because
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Speaker 2: I am the biggest, fattest, stupidest baby hypochondriac on the planet.
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Speaker 2: I mean when you say you don't hurt, and I
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Speaker 2: got that. I can see that brace you got on
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Speaker 2: your hand. Look, i'd be in the emergency room. I'd
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Speaker 2: be getting treated right now for the wound on my hand.
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Speaker 2: I'd call it. I'd say that what that needle is
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Speaker 2: the equivalent of a gunshot wound to the hand, and
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Speaker 2: I'd want the er to treat that for me. So
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Speaker 2: I am a big baby. So I'm a little bit
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Speaker 2: nervous about eighty four. And I was, you know, between
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Speaker 2: you and me, I was kind of hoping, since you've
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Speaker 2: already had the clear all clear now and they know
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Speaker 2: what was in there when they it's kind of hoping
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Speaker 2: your number was higher.
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Speaker 3: That Well, there I live to serve.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So there you are.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and you've got it. Looks like according to
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Speaker 2: my chart that I got from the Craft body scan, folks,
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Speaker 2: one oh one to four hundred means moderate plaque burden.
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Speaker 2: So you're not an extensive because you're right, more than
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Speaker 2: four o one that's extensive, But you're moderate and I'm
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Speaker 2: Now here's the weird psychology of this.
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Speaker 3: As I was having this hanging over my head about
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Speaker 3: the passa and this technology, Lord knows I riffed on
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Speaker 3: this forever too. I'm just it's a miracle that this
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Speaker 3: doctor hovered over a massive X ray screen and there's
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Speaker 3: snaking a wire through me and up my arm and
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Speaker 3: across my classical and down into my heart itself, looking
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Speaker 3: all the while for impediments and blockages and snow seas
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Speaker 3: as they're called. And if they found something, they could
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Speaker 3: have done a stint right then and there. And so
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Speaker 3: as I'm talking Elsa on the way and as like,
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Speaker 3: what exactly, Because very seriously, what you pray for is
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Speaker 3: the best result possible. Lord, let the guide the doctor's hands,
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Speaker 3: Let this all work out well, Let the news be
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Speaker 3: as good as it can be. We ultimately said, God,
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Speaker 3: whatever the best result is, we leave that to you.
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Speaker 3: But just purely self servingly, did I want the stint
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Speaker 3: If it's fifty to fifty and we could either do
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Speaker 3: it or not do it. There's a literal part of
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Speaker 3: me that said, put that bad boy in because I
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Speaker 3: really like steak.
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, what part of it don't What do
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Speaker 2: you mean why wouldn't you put it in? If they're
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Speaker 2: already in there and that's pretty easy to put it
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Speaker 2: in while they're in there?
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Speaker 3: What is that? If it's seventy percent, it's like, we
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Speaker 3: got to do this. I'm sure there's a range of
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Speaker 3: judgment call for the doctor. Mine was so so refreshingly
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Speaker 3: unblocked that it was a no brainer not to do it.
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Speaker 3: If it was seventy eighty percent, it's a no brainer
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Speaker 3: to do it. If it's in that middle ground where
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Speaker 3: we could either do a stint or not. I'm literally
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Speaker 3: not totally kidding. I would have thought, knock yourself out,
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Speaker 3: go ahead and do it because I like burgers.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I was just saying I'd go for it all
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Speaker 2: all the way. And can I just say, yeah, put in,
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Speaker 2: I'd be getting stents just preventatively. Just go ahead and
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Speaker 2: put him in, knock them out, go on in, get
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Speaker 2: then where do you want to start? My friend, you've
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Speaker 2: We talked a little bit about this morning on the
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Speaker 3: Of you, but you go first. I was particularly interested
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Speaker 3: in view of the depth of your South Carolina experience,
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Speaker 3: and I think we're speaking with the same voice here
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Speaker 3: in terms of numerous things that are true at the
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Speaker 3: same time. Here we go. We love and miss Lindsey Graham.
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Speaker 3: We appreciated him after some years where there had been
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Speaker 3: much more good than bad. His border softy years appeared
16:27
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Speaker 3: as Sister Darlene incredible story, wonderful woman, gracious woman, prepared
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16:54
Speaker 3: and Mike, I don't know if she is one. I
16:56
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Speaker 3: public eye for decades. He was a known quantity and
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Speaker 2: Well, you've got a couple of real, real uh strong
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Speaker 2: conservative and Mark Lynch whom you mentioned. Also Ralph Norman
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Speaker 2: and Mark Lynch. Of course you got Pam Evatt. I
17:32
Speaker 2: don't know if she's she hasn't really said if she's
17:35
Speaker 2: going to throw her hat in the ring. You've got,
17:38
Speaker 2: you got this, Russell Frye. You got remember uh uh
17:44
Speaker 2: the former former governor Mark Sandford controversial, I mean he
17:49
Speaker 2: went out in disgrace. Can I tell you Mark Sandford
17:52
Speaker 2: story that you're gonna love? You'll appreciate this.
17:55
Speaker 3: Tell tell everybody the Mark Tell he give you everybody
17:57
Speaker 3: the sixty seconds of Mark Sandford, isn't it?
17:59
Speaker 1: So?
17:59
Speaker 2: He was a South Carolina politician. I'm pretty sure he
18:02
Speaker 2: was a congressman won the governor's race. Was the governor.
18:07
Speaker 2: I think he ran for Congress, if I'm not mistaken
18:09
Speaker 2: again after he left the office in disgrace. But he
18:11
Speaker 2: left the office in disgrace because he was having an
18:13
Speaker 2: affair and he took his mistress. I forget this. She
18:19
Speaker 2: was either from Argentina and they were hiking the Appalachian
18:22
Speaker 2: Trail she or she was from Appalachia and they went
18:25
Speaker 2: and went to the Argentina trail trail.
18:29
Speaker 3: I think walking the Appalachian Trail was an odd type
18:31
Speaker 3: of slang. I seem to remember the staff he vanished.
18:34
Speaker 3: He just vanished a middle of these controversies and lascivious things.
18:39
Speaker 3: And the word came from the from the The reason
18:41
Speaker 3: he was hard to reach was that he was hiking
18:44
Speaker 3: the Appalachian Trail. I guess that's what bulliant now with
18:47
Speaker 3: the with the mistress. And I don't think that and
18:50
Speaker 3: I don't think that's code. I don't think that meant.
18:52
Speaker 2: And he was actually hiking the Appalachian Trail with the
18:55
Speaker 2: mistress from Argentina. So that became kind of a punchline
19:00
Speaker 2: and everybody was joking about.
19:01
Speaker 3: I just thought, hey, man, where's Billy. I don't know.
19:04
Speaker 3: I think he's hiking the old apple Achian.
19:06
Speaker 2: Tray rock you know, yeah, here's the thumping upstairs, you dud,
19:10
Speaker 2: don't come knocking if the van is rocking, you know,
19:12
Speaker 2: I'm hiking the applection. Well, anyway, let me tell you
19:17
Speaker 2: why I happened to really like Mark Sandford despite his
19:21
Speaker 2: personal indiscretions and all of that. And you know, look
19:24
Speaker 2: when he was in office before the scandal, pretty pretty
19:27
Speaker 2: popular politicians in South Carolina, rock solid conservative, good guy.
19:32
Speaker 2: I remember Joey and I Joey Hudson and I once
19:34
Speaker 2: went to the to his office in the in the
19:36
Speaker 2: Governor's office there at the Statehouse in Columbia and interviewed
19:40
Speaker 2: him and spent some time with him. So he's an
19:41
Speaker 2: interesting guy. This scandal hits the fan, he drops out
19:45
Speaker 2: of public site, he leaves in disgrace. All that one
19:48
Speaker 2: day my phone rings I was living in I remember
19:50
Speaker 2: I was exactly where I got the call. I was
19:52
Speaker 2: in my kitchen in Keller, Texas, when I was still
19:55
Speaker 2: living in the in the Metroplex ring ring. It was
19:58
Speaker 2: Mark Sandford and I Holy cow, because this was all
20:02
Speaker 2: right post scandal, and it all hit the fan and
20:07
Speaker 2: it was bad and it was rough, and Mark Sandford
20:09
Speaker 2: was on the phone, and I had interviewed him and
20:11
Speaker 2: new him, you know, not very I mean, I didn't
20:13
Speaker 2: know him like Frankly, I knew Lindsey better than I
20:15
Speaker 2: knew Mark Sandford. But nonetheless, Mark Sandford said, Mike, this
20:20
Speaker 2: is Mark Sandford. I know you've been following all of
20:23
Speaker 2: my controversies and all of my problems. I just want
20:27
Speaker 2: to say something to you. You supported me as a broadcaster,
20:32
Speaker 2: he said. I screwed up badly. I made incredible mistakes
20:37
Speaker 2: in my personal and in my public life. I let
20:40
Speaker 2: the people of South Carolina down, and I will take
20:43
Speaker 2: that to the grave. I'll always remember that. But I
20:46
Speaker 2: also let down writers and broadcasters and radio hosts and
20:51
Speaker 2: pundits and the like who supported me. I let you down, too,
20:56
Speaker 2: because you stuck your neck out for me, and I
21:00
Speaker 2: kind of embarrass you. And I am ashamed of that,
21:03
Speaker 2: and I am profoundly sorry for that. And I just
21:07
Speaker 2: wanted you to know that because I've always been grateful
21:11
Speaker 2: for the support I got from people like you, and
21:14
Speaker 2: I just want you to know how devastated I am
21:17
Speaker 2: that I let you down, Mark Davis, I will never
21:20
Speaker 2: forget that call for the rest of my life. Well,
21:22
Speaker 2: I can imagine not because how often does that happen?
21:25
Speaker 2: How often you get real contrition express to anybody, much
21:28
Speaker 2: less a downlaw. I mean, because imagine he had a
21:31
Speaker 2: list of people to atone for and to apologize to
21:35
Speaker 2: that Listen, I'm sorry.
21:37
Speaker 3: That speaks volumes. I am moving by that.
21:40
Speaker 2: It does, and I've shared that story before. I'm sure
21:43
Speaker 2: I'll share it again if he's in the race. I mean,
21:45
Speaker 2: I don't know that he has a chance. Who knows,
21:47
Speaker 2: but nonetheless.
21:49
Speaker 3: Forgiving it, how forgiving a country are we? I mean,
21:51
Speaker 3: there are people who have done way worse. Wait when
21:53
Speaker 3: I don't know at worse, don't play? Can you top this?
21:55
Speaker 3: There are people with worse scan worse scandals, you know,
22:00
Speaker 3: more recently, you know, who are well and fine.
22:03
Speaker 2: And it was just so moving to me because he
22:05
Speaker 2: acknowledged it all. When he was talking to me, he said, look,
22:08
Speaker 2: I've let my family down, I've embarrassed my kids, my wife.
22:12
Speaker 2: I mean, it was like and it was not fake,
22:14
Speaker 2: it was you know. I mean, I don't know. Maybe
22:16
Speaker 2: he's a great actor, but if he is, give him
22:18
Speaker 2: an Academy award because he was very convincing to me,
22:21
Speaker 2: it was it was very it seemed very heartfelt. He
22:24
Speaker 2: didn't have to call me, and he did. And I
22:27
Speaker 2: will never ever forget that. And to your point, Mark,
22:30
Speaker 2: when's the last time you heard a politician ever doing that?
22:34
Speaker 2: And they just don't do it. It's always the And
22:36
Speaker 2: I know if I offended anybody, I'm sorry if you
22:39
Speaker 2: were bothered by this, I am sorry.
22:41
Speaker 3: Exactly stupid. And I know this speaks directly to you
22:45
Speaker 3: and to me because of what we do for a living.
22:47
Speaker 3: And I don't and I know there are people watching
22:49
Speaker 3: and listening going, you know, like like people who lived
22:50
Speaker 3: in South Carolina who are burger flippers or accountants going.
22:53
Speaker 3: He didn't call me, but there I appreciate, just personally
22:57
Speaker 3: and professionally, because we do go on a limb for
23:00
Speaker 3: people if they if we support you, we we're going
23:03
Speaker 3: to be loyal most of the time. I would you
23:05
Speaker 3: think our profession would decide to back people whom we
23:08
Speaker 3: wish to back, oppose people whom we wish to oppose, right,
23:11
Speaker 3: And if we really do go out on a limb
23:13
Speaker 3: for somebody and then they turn out to make a terrible,
23:17
Speaker 3: terrible stumble for him to get on the phone to
23:20
Speaker 3: you and say, look, you you really stuck it out
23:23
Speaker 3: for me. And I'm sorry. I I don't know that
23:27
Speaker 3: that's that's that's that's not nothing. That's that's not nothing.
23:30
Speaker 3: It was something, and it's something meaningful that I'll never forget.
23:34
Speaker 3: Let's let me change gears a little bit. I went
23:37
Speaker 3: on a you know, like you do. And we all,
23:39
Speaker 3: all of us big mouth talk show hosts, we often
23:41
Speaker 3: do this. We take we go on a tear and
23:42
Speaker 3: then we go down a rabbit hole with our audience.
23:45
Speaker 3: I went down the Mitch McConnell rabbit hole today. I'm
23:48
Speaker 3: about I'm about fed up with what's going on with
23:51
Speaker 3: Mitch McConnell. And I got mad when I saw a
23:54
Speaker 3: little TV clip last night of Mitch McConnell's top aid.
23:59
Speaker 3: I think it's just chea of staff stopped walking down
24:02
Speaker 3: a hall, wouldn't say anything about his condition, about where
24:07
Speaker 3: he is, what state he is in. Mark Enough is
24:11
Speaker 3: enough already, this is crazy. How many days has it
24:15
Speaker 3: been now? Is the poor guy still in the hospital?
24:19
Speaker 3: Do constituents of his and American citizens have a right
24:24
Speaker 3: to know for crying out loud. Is the guy a vegetable?
24:28
Speaker 3: Is he in a coma? Is he attached to? I mean, Mark,
24:32
Speaker 3: what the actual hell exactly? And the people of Kentucky
24:35
Speaker 3: have the greatest stake in this. It's their business more
24:38
Speaker 3: than it is any of ours. But it is everybody's business.
24:41
Speaker 3: I remember I was talking about this and where the
24:42
Speaker 3: heck is he? And the weird proof of life photograph?
24:45
Speaker 3: And you know how real is that? I guess it's real.
24:48
Speaker 3: I don't know. Somebody said, you're not from so Tucky?
24:50
Speaker 3: What business is it of yours? Is the most powerful
24:53
Speaker 3: one of the most powerful politicians in the country. Hear,
24:56
Speaker 3: it is everybody's business. And so Democrat Governor of Kentucky,
25:00
Speaker 3: Andy Basheer, is like putting out some pressure. It's like, listen,
25:06
Speaker 3: one of two things needs to happen. Mitch McConnelly. I
25:09
Speaker 3: neither need to have a conversation with Mitch McConnell or
25:12
Speaker 3: I need his resignation letter.
25:14
Speaker 2: He's not wrong, yeah, but you know why he's saying that, Mark,
25:17
Speaker 2: And I got this pointed out to me, and I'm
25:19
Speaker 2: not as I'm not as well versed on the Kentucky
25:22
Speaker 2: procedural where they are in the electoral process. But I
25:27
Speaker 2: had a lot of people suggest to me on the
25:29
Speaker 2: text line that Andy Msher Basheer, the governor of the
25:33
Speaker 2: state gets to a point his at least temporary successor,
25:38
Speaker 2: and that would be a Democrat.
25:39
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe not. Usually that's what states tend to do.
25:43
Speaker 3: The governor, there's a Senate vacancy, the governor appoints. Somebody's like, oh,
25:47
Speaker 3: that's a nice gifts.
25:48
Speaker 2: What just happened. But it's what just happened with Lindsay
25:51
Speaker 2: mcsmaster appointed his sister.
25:53
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. Most states do that. In Kentucky, where
25:56
Speaker 3: they had a Democrat governor and have for a while,
25:58
Speaker 3: the Republican led lature said, uh, this isn't fitting. So
26:03
Speaker 3: what we're going to do is we're going to change
26:05
Speaker 3: the law somewhat to where the governor gets to do
26:07
Speaker 3: an appointment, but it's from a list of three people
26:10
Speaker 3: that'll be of the exiting senator's party, so it would
26:13
Speaker 3: be like three Republics up. But then they change that.
26:17
Speaker 3: Then they said, no, tell you what special election. Just
26:20
Speaker 3: let the people need to decide. Now here's the deal.
26:23
Speaker 3: Governor Basher constitutionally challenges that and says, no, no, no, no,
26:27
Speaker 3: you can't do that. I am constitutionally empowered to name
26:31
Speaker 3: a successor. So I went to the Kentucky State Constitution.
26:35
Speaker 3: I'm going to paraphrase this. It basically gives the governor
26:39
Speaker 3: the right to appoint somebody for vacancies for officials who
26:43
Speaker 3: represent the state at large. Now, to me, I would
26:48
Speaker 3: think that would be the state attorney general, the state comtroller,
26:52
Speaker 3: the state this the state that not somebody who is
26:55
Speaker 3: in a federal office but doesn't mention McConnell represent the
27:00
Speaker 3: people of the state of Kentucky. He does. That's an
27:04
Speaker 3: interesting semantics thing and it might be an interesting court challenge.
27:07
Speaker 3: Governor Bisheer says, I think I have the right to
27:09
Speaker 3: appoint a successor. It'll be very interesting to see. You know,
27:12
Speaker 3: he's trying to run for president, and wouldn't that be
27:16
Speaker 3: a lot of Democrats are saying, yeah, that's what he
27:18
Speaker 3: needs to do. That's how you stand and fight. So
27:20
Speaker 3: amid all of this, I think that people are just
27:22
Speaker 3: trying to keep Mitch McConnell alive, rehaps figuratively politically, if
27:26
Speaker 3: not literally, so that we can just get through this.
27:29
Speaker 3: We already have the primaries. Andy Barr is the Republican nominee.
27:33
Speaker 3: He would certainly seem to be Mitch's likely successor. But
27:37
Speaker 3: so let me ask you and give you the talking
27:39
Speaker 3: stick back. It matters on principle greatly, people of Kentucky,
27:43
Speaker 3: you are being hosed. America's being hosed. I think we're
27:45
Speaker 3: being misled. Does it really matter that much? I mean,
27:49
Speaker 3: and just how many days of the Senate do we
27:52
Speaker 3: have left? Can we just kind of get to the
27:54
Speaker 3: election and move on here, or is there something really
27:57
Speaker 3: burning in the urgency of doing something about Mitch in
28:00
Speaker 3: the short term.
28:01
Speaker 2: I believe the urgency stems from the Save America Act,
28:05
Speaker 2: and the reason it's urgent and the reason we cannot
28:08
Speaker 2: let this go is that Mitch McConnell is said to
28:11
Speaker 2: be stubbornly blocking the Save America Act. And as long
28:16
Speaker 2: as he is in the state of limbo and they
28:19
Speaker 2: can't get on with a special election and the procedure
28:22
Speaker 2: that would put in, I would hope a Republican replacement,
28:25
Speaker 2: maybe a conservative who would absolutely agree that the Save
28:29
Speaker 2: America Act has to get passed. Mitch McConnell stands in
28:33
Speaker 2: the way of it. And one of the many theories,
28:35
Speaker 2: and Mark, there's a gazillion conspiracy conspiracy theories.
28:39
Speaker 3: He's in a.
28:40
Speaker 2: Coma, he's brain dead these days, already died, YadA YadA.
28:45
Speaker 2: The other one is they're not announcing his condition because
28:48
Speaker 2: they want to drag this thing out, even though he
28:51
Speaker 2: might be on death's door, because he is a reliable opposition,
28:55
Speaker 2: a stumbling block to getting the Save America Act passed.
28:58
Speaker 2: So let's continue to gum it up without without replacing him,
29:03
Speaker 2: so that we can keep our refusal to get the
29:05
Speaker 2: Save America Act passed, says the Beast, says the says
29:08
Speaker 2: the Uniparty, says the folks that don't want it passed,
29:12
Speaker 2: like John Thune.
29:13
Speaker 3: That's the reason I think the sclerotic Ivory Tower Ivory
29:17
Speaker 3: Tower Republican establishment that does not want the Save Act
29:20
Speaker 3: views this as a useful moment that they that they
29:23
Speaker 3: can that they can put to use to block it.
29:26
Speaker 2: I wow, does that make sense? Do you think that's why?
29:30
Speaker 2: Is it plausible? Of course it is? Do I know
29:32
Speaker 2: that's the case. Of course not. But what you've just
29:34
Speaker 2: described is not is not implausible. There there's no end
29:37
Speaker 2: to the degree to which the the hardened GOP establishment,
29:41
Speaker 2: the John fun John Cornyn, and you know some others
29:45
Speaker 2: or are just not will you had to go to
29:47
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31:32
Speaker 2: like that phrase, because Hannity says that every single night
31:36
Speaker 2: going into Gutfeld.
31:37
Speaker 3: Have you heard that? Every night?
31:39
Speaker 2: Every night there are things when people You and I
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Speaker 2: we have our quirks, and we have our we have
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Speaker 2: our little idiosyncrasisyncrasies. Yours is to go nine hours on
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Speaker 4: Me.
31:53
Speaker 2: I whine a lot. I'm I'm selfish. I get we
31:57
Speaker 2: have our bits. We have our bits, we have our
32:00
Speaker 2: we have our little quirks. But you know something we
32:02
Speaker 2: don't do and I don't. I mean this, And I
32:05
Speaker 2: think it's because we're pretty seasoned and we're experienced, although
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Speaker 2: Sean is too. But it's when people repeat a phrase
32:11
Speaker 2: or an expression or a thought over and over and over.
32:15
Speaker 3: I love that people have taglines by words, little things
32:18
Speaker 3: they use that are kind of there there face.
32:20
Speaker 2: I guess, well, every night when Sean signs off, and
32:24
Speaker 2: Sean's a friend, I'm not drying dish on Sean. But
32:27
Speaker 2: Sean says Greg Guttfield's coming up to put a smile
32:31
Speaker 2: on your face every night, It's like, damn it, I
32:34
Speaker 2: get it. Put a smile. And it's like Harold Ford
32:37
Speaker 2: every day when the five shot the table. Oh, I'm
32:40
Speaker 2: glad to be around the table with you, and they
32:41
Speaker 2: all laugh at him over they're sick of it too.
32:44
Speaker 2: You can see it. Gutfelds like, we just stop with
32:46
Speaker 2: the bee around the table with us, every day. He's
32:48
Speaker 2: the only one that does. It makes me crazy, makes
32:51
Speaker 2: me crazy, you like that?
32:54
Speaker 3: I mean, I kind of listen. If it takes no
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Speaker 3: more than like a second and a half, I'm pretty
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Speaker 3: good with it.
33:01
Speaker 2: Too much now, I'm pretty enough. It's good to be
33:04
Speaker 2: around the table with you. And sometimes a couple of
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Speaker 2: times they'll try to cut them off at the pass.
33:09
Speaker 2: Once I saw Greg Wan say, Harold Ford's here, Harold.
33:13
Speaker 2: Is it good to be around the table with just
33:14
Speaker 2: today your fast Harold in your face?
33:18
Speaker 3: So anyway, the greatest of the five, they have genuine
33:21
Speaker 3: affection for each other amid some difference. Anyway, So put
33:24
Speaker 3: your highest ray smile on our face. Highest rated show
33:26
Speaker 3: they got, I mean they that show does? That show
33:29
Speaker 3: does very well? And what is it? I mean, I look,
33:32
Speaker 3: I think, to be honest. As much as I get
33:35
Speaker 3: angry about her and I get all fired up and
33:38
Speaker 3: my blood pressure goes through the roof, I think I
33:41
Speaker 3: like it better when Jessica Tarlof is on than when
33:44
Speaker 3: she's off. I kind of do too, because Harold is
33:46
Speaker 3: a very I like Harold more than Jessica, I like,
33:51
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, Jessica seems like a sweet,
33:52
Speaker 3: sweet lady. She's wrong on everything. Harold is pretty sensible.
33:56
Speaker 3: Almost sixty percent of the time had still at that party.
34:01
Speaker 3: So the cot flake is fun. Watch Jesse and Greg
34:05
Speaker 3: beat up on Jessica and that her bow up to
34:08
Speaker 3: them every once in a while, so they find a
34:10
Speaker 3: way to make it work.
34:11
Speaker 2: And I love how she bows up. It's so funny
34:13
Speaker 2: because she always when she's called out, it's the funniest thing. Great.
34:18
Speaker 2: She likes stops talking, like she can't believe they've dared
34:22
Speaker 2: to challenge her, and she's like, she didn't say anything,
34:26
Speaker 2: and there's like these long pauses and then I don't
34:28
Speaker 2: know if she's gathering her thoughts, but hey, God bless her.
34:31
Speaker 2: She's made at work for her. She loves it, I
34:33
Speaker 2: guess over there, and they do like her personally, apparently
34:36
Speaker 2: off air, well apparently I wouldn't think so from her
34:41
Speaker 2: performance on TV anyway, put a let me put a
34:46
Speaker 2: smile on your face. TikTok, TikTok, TikTok. Bernie Sanders giving
34:51
Speaker 2: a speech. I came across this last night on X
34:54
Speaker 2: and I thought I got to play this for Mark.
34:56
Speaker 2: And on the podcast today there was somebody with a
35:00
Speaker 2: giant boat. Bernie said, I didn't even know where this
35:03
Speaker 2: was or when it was, but it was a while ago.
35:05
Speaker 2: He's on a He's at a podium in front of
35:08
Speaker 2: a body of water that had boats, and there was
35:12
Speaker 2: a Trump boat. There was a giant Trump There was
35:16
Speaker 2: a boat with giant Trump flags and banners, and the
35:21
Speaker 2: boat decides to pay a little visit. This is how
35:24
Speaker 2: it was when poor Bernie Sanders was attempting to deliver
35:29
Speaker 2: a speech.
35:31
Speaker 4: In nineteen sixty eight, when he stated, in nineteen sixty eight,
35:48
Speaker 4: how good is that?
35:49
Speaker 1: Mark?
35:50
Speaker 3: Do you love that?
35:51
Speaker 2: Now? Did that put a.
35:52
Speaker 3: Smile on your face? Listening, you see Bernie from the
35:54
Speaker 3: left profile the body of water, flags flying in the breeze,
35:59
Speaker 3: and then a just slowly slowly moving right to left,
36:03
Speaker 3: a powerboat going clearly intentionally two miles per hour with
36:06
Speaker 3: a massive Trump sign just going right below Bernie as
36:10
Speaker 3: he attempts to complete a sentence.
36:12
Speaker 2: Blowing the horn and again interrupting his uh. And look
36:17
Speaker 2: it ties it as something's going on in our world today.
36:21
Speaker 2: I kind of liked the days of Bernie being the radical.
36:25
Speaker 2: I've never heard Bernie call for political violence. I've never
36:30
Speaker 2: heard Bernie celebrate the assassination attempts on President Trump. I
36:34
Speaker 2: didn't hear Bernie celebrate Charlie Kirk's murder and assassination. Bernie
36:40
Speaker 2: is kind of quaint compared to what they're doing these days.
36:44
Speaker 2: For example, Zoe Ron the Destroyer as I call him,
36:47
Speaker 2: the Mayor of New York calling to arrest pretending he's
36:52
Speaker 2: had the ability to arrest the Prime Minister of Israel.
36:55
Speaker 2: I know because of his antisemit anti Semitic.
36:59
Speaker 3: Hatred flogging this. They just know that Jew hatred and
37:02
Speaker 3: israel hatred is their stock in trade, and he's particularly
37:06
Speaker 3: good at it. And on the flip side of that,
37:09
Speaker 3: Jared Polus, the Democrat governor of Colorado, speaking of Hannity,
37:13
Speaker 3: was on Hannity last night and and and Hannity kind
37:17
Speaker 3: of brought up his party's problem with Israel and distaste
37:21
Speaker 3: for Israel and anti Semitism flavors and the modern reasonable
37:28
Speaker 3: mainstream Democrats he's reasonable with an asterisk, are scared to
37:33
Speaker 3: death to inflame the Jew hating wing of their party.
37:38
Speaker 3: They know there will be a price to pay if
37:40
Speaker 3: they aren't anti Israel enough. And that's an interesting corner
37:45
Speaker 3: to be painted into.
37:46
Speaker 2: It's a it's a well, it's kind of a terrifying
37:49
Speaker 2: corner because they're all lining up, protooted to leave. Even
37:53
Speaker 2: AOC all not Menyah, who's a war criminal. He's committing genocide,
37:59
Speaker 2: their killer, They're torturing babies, they're killing people. I mean, Mark,
38:03
Speaker 2: this is an evil. This is an insidiousness that we've
38:07
Speaker 2: never experienced before.
38:08
Speaker 3: And there's another. We talk a lot about the anti
38:11
Speaker 3: Semitic tropes, the anti Semitic index cards. Saying certain things
38:16
Speaker 3: and expressing a certain view doesn't instantly make someone guaranteed
38:20
Speaker 3: anti Semite. But if you're sort of trafficking in their lexicon,
38:23
Speaker 3: if you're kind of using stuff of their index card,
38:26
Speaker 3: it makes you kind of scratch your head. AOC the
38:28
Speaker 3: last day or two had this thing that the National
38:32
Speaker 3: Defense Authorization Bill that funds the military absolutely contained a
38:36
Speaker 3: part that gives over control of the American military in
38:40
Speaker 3: some fashion to the Israeli Defense Forces, that the IDF
38:44
Speaker 3: will we'll have certain powers over the American military. It
38:47
Speaker 3: was a complete lie. But that is just one of
38:50
Speaker 3: the main anti Semitic tropes that the evil Jews, or
38:54
Speaker 3: somehow able through their wiles and their and their their
38:58
Speaker 3: mystical powers to lure unwitting Americans into various things to
39:03
Speaker 3: benefit Israel.
39:04
Speaker 2: Dude, it's bad. And I got into a big back
39:08
Speaker 2: and forth. You know, I'm so comfortable working with you.
39:12
Speaker 2: And of course I've worked with Hugh Hewett over the years,
39:15
Speaker 2: for many years, decades. Actually, Hugh and I were on
39:19
Speaker 2: at an event the other night in Sarasota, and of
39:23
Speaker 2: course there were some gems from Hugh, who I always
39:27
Speaker 2: couched this with this caveat. He and I are friends,
39:30
Speaker 2: He and I are longtime colleagues, but we don't often
39:33
Speaker 2: agree on things. We don't, for example, agree I'm glad
39:37
Speaker 2: you're sitting down and you've got your hand cradled in
39:39
Speaker 2: your lap. Susan Collins is wonderful, and Amy Cony Barrett
39:44
Speaker 2: and John Roberts are two of the smartest, best Supreme
39:47
Speaker 2: Court justices we've ever had. I mean, he went on
39:51
Speaker 2: a tirade about defending her on the birthright citizenship case.
39:55
Speaker 2: Sit over in the room, not well, not well, I
39:58
Speaker 2: mean I sort of want the room over when I
40:01
Speaker 2: about fell off my chair at that. But you know,
40:04
Speaker 2: we but but and I do love him, and he
40:07
Speaker 2: had he had great Forest. He's terrific, one of the
40:10
Speaker 2: greatest interviewers in our business.
40:12
Speaker 3: I love it. I love it.
40:13
Speaker 2: I appreciate the work he does, and I appreciate his
40:16
Speaker 2: knowledge of foreign policy. And he spent a lot of
40:17
Speaker 2: time talking about Israel and Iran and why we're doing
40:20
Speaker 2: what we're doing, and how it needs to end. And
40:23
Speaker 2: he had some great, great takes on Pickaxe Mountain and
40:26
Speaker 2: car Island and all that. But he but he, but
40:29
Speaker 2: he did something that I thought was regrettable and something
40:32
Speaker 2: I disagree with, and I disagreed with it. The other
40:34
Speaker 2: night too, he kind of likened what we're going through
40:37
Speaker 2: today with today's Democrats to the Kent State era of
40:42
Speaker 2: years past. He was comparing, he said, he actually said,
40:46
Speaker 2: he sort of said it was like kind of like
40:48
Speaker 2: the seventies. You know, remember Kent State, Remember Patty Hirst
40:52
Speaker 2: and the Revolutionary Guard. I'm like, Hugh, this is different.
40:56
Speaker 2: This is so much more drastic and radical. The radical
41:01
Speaker 2: extremism of today's Democrat party is.
41:04
Speaker 3: What I wondered what he was talking about or what
41:06
Speaker 3: you were telling that that that the the Democrats who
41:08
Speaker 3: seem radical are as isolated an incident as as the
41:14
Speaker 3: King State protesters, the Symbionese little fami. Yeah, that it's
41:18
Speaker 3: just it's just a little microcosm. It's not really emblematic
41:21
Speaker 3: of much more than that.
41:23
Speaker 2: Now, I think that's what no I But I don't
41:25
Speaker 2: even know that it was about about isolating. I think
41:28
Speaker 2: because because because my point is, look, they're taking over.
41:32
Speaker 2: The Democrats are winning prime They're winning primaries left and right,
41:35
Speaker 2: flavor of the moment all over the place. I mean,
41:38
Speaker 2: there was another one saw there was one socialist that
41:40
Speaker 2: got blown out in Arizona, but there was another one
41:42
Speaker 2: who won a DSA candidate who won one of the
41:45
Speaker 2: Arizona primary victors. So this is different. And and and
41:49
Speaker 2: Hugh didn't agree. I don't think with me, But it
41:52
Speaker 2: is there's a radicalism. And I got a theory, and
41:55
Speaker 2: I thought about it the other night, and I wanted
41:57
Speaker 2: to bring it up on the show today, and I did,
41:59
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna I'm gonna bounce it off you. I've
42:01
Speaker 2: got a theory about why the normal the quote unquote
42:05
Speaker 2: normal Democrats are standing sitting idly by as this is
42:11
Speaker 2: all unfolding. I think they kind of enjoy it. I
42:14
Speaker 2: think that even the mainstream Democrats enjoy the radicalization of
42:18
Speaker 2: their party.
42:19
Speaker 3: And here's why.
42:20
Speaker 2: I know enough Democrats and I know enough Trump haters
42:25
Speaker 2: to know that they think we're crazy. They think we're radical,
42:30
Speaker 2: they think we're fascists. They think we're we want to
42:33
Speaker 2: shred the constitution where we're destroying democracy, as they always
42:38
Speaker 2: like to say it, right, that's what they think about us.
42:41
Speaker 2: And they lost. They lost, They got their butts whipped.
42:44
Speaker 2: Trump beat him twice, and Trump beat him with Kamala
42:48
Speaker 2: and they hate it. They can't believe he's back. I
42:51
Speaker 2: believe their their mindset is, you know what, you crazy,
42:55
Speaker 2: Maga America firsters, you want crazy, will show you crazy.
43:00
Speaker 2: We'll give you Zoe, Ron, Mom, Donnie. We'll give you
43:04
Speaker 2: the crazy far left radicals. We'll give you the Democrats
43:07
Speaker 2: Socialists of America. Will support them, We'll lift them up,
43:11
Speaker 2: and will be quiet when they say insidious, awful, horrible things,
43:15
Speaker 2: because we're gonna out crazy. We're going to out radical
43:19
Speaker 2: you radicals. What do you think do you think that's.
43:22
Speaker 3: And if those were, I'm just to continue the thought
43:25
Speaker 3: it's in a linear fashion. If this makes sense to
43:28
Speaker 3: take the ball and run with it, and if this
43:31
Speaker 3: crazy energy of the Democrats succeeds in beating down Trump
43:35
Speaker 3: and beating down certain portions of MAGA, there they will
43:38
Speaker 3: be to say, Hey, remember us, Remember John McCain, Remember
43:44
Speaker 3: Mitt Romney, Remember Paul Ryan, Remember the squishes and the
43:47
Speaker 3: go along to get a long crowd. We're back and
43:51
Speaker 3: we're ready to take the reins of you.
43:52
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think they that's exactly what they're hoping.
43:56
Speaker 2: You could be right. I think we should be right.
43:58
Speaker 2: I want to end on a proful note. And let
44:00
Speaker 2: me tell you what about the prayer, Because this was
44:02
Speaker 2: a little controversial. I had a caller I decided in
44:06
Speaker 2: your absence this week, I was thinking about the power
44:09
Speaker 2: of prayer, and I appreciate the fact that every morning
44:11
Speaker 2: on your radio show in Dallas, you start the morning
44:14
Speaker 2: with a prayer, and it always touches me every time
44:17
Speaker 2: I'm driving over the dog Gone Howard Franklin Bridge, dodging
44:21
Speaker 2: the rocks. Although now they have redone that thing. You
44:25
Speaker 2: can't believe they got it. They got express lanes, baby, ooh,
44:28
Speaker 2: you can get that up to about eighty five ninety
44:31
Speaker 2: miles an hour. You can get it right over that bridge. Oh,
44:34
Speaker 2: my luck's gonna run out. Oh no, I was thinking
44:35
Speaker 2: about that yesterday. My luck's gonna run out. My luck
44:38
Speaker 2: will absolutely run out one day, and then good old
44:41
Speaker 2: Johnny Law is going to pull over Uncle Mike, and
44:44
Speaker 2: I'll have to pay that. Anyway, I was listening to you,
44:47
Speaker 2: and every time I listened to you pray, I think,
44:49
Speaker 2: thank you God for letting Mark do that. And then
44:51
Speaker 2: I started thinking, wait a minute, I got a show too.
44:53
Speaker 2: I come on after Mark in Dallas. I've got an
44:57
Speaker 2: audience like Mark, Why and I pray? And I decided
45:00
Speaker 2: to sit down and I composed a prayer just like
45:03
Speaker 2: you did. How many years ago? How long ago you.
45:05
Speaker 3: Did you put your prayer to go to it with COVID?
45:07
Speaker 3: When I came back after I was on vacation, I
45:10
Speaker 3: was spring break and COVID was breaking out all over
45:13
Speaker 3: and I came off a vacation to come back and
45:15
Speaker 3: reclaim my show from the villain knows because it was
45:18
Speaker 3: clearly a huge breaking story. Said, what's the first thing
45:20
Speaker 3: I want to do? Just want to publicly pray to
45:22
Speaker 3: get us through this. And I haven't stopped ever since.
45:26
Speaker 2: You have done it continually, do you mind? As we
45:28
Speaker 2: end today's podcast and the return of Mark to eminem
45:31
Speaker 2: and now.
45:33
Speaker 3: I feel whole again.
45:34
Speaker 2: My life is complete.
45:36
Speaker 3: Marcus back.
45:37
Speaker 2: It's kind of fun too on the show and Tim,
45:40
Speaker 2: I refer to you now, I refer to you as
45:42
Speaker 2: my podcast partner.
45:44
Speaker 3: Colt Well, it is.
45:45
Speaker 2: Because like like we almost not jokingly say the talk
45:51
Speaker 2: shows are our second favorite thing to do during the day,
45:54
Speaker 2: which I don't get worder. I hope that. I hope
45:56
Speaker 2: the companies are right right with that. I know, don't
45:58
Speaker 2: tell anybody so, but it's fun to say, my podcast partner,
46:01
Speaker 2: would you mind? Do you mind sharing your prayer? I mean,
46:05
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're in the right studio, if
46:06
Speaker 2: you've got it, because I've got mine written down, but
46:09
Speaker 2: I thought, absolutely well, I thought it might be kind
46:11
Speaker 2: of cool for you to do your prayer me to
46:13
Speaker 2: do mine. No, let me do mine first, because we'll
46:15
Speaker 2: end with you, because we'll end with yours, because you're
46:18
Speaker 2: the you started this tradition. And a quick backstory on Monday,
46:22
Speaker 2: when I started doing reading this prayer, this guy called
46:25
Speaker 2: the show and he said, that's foolish, that is so stupid.
46:29
Speaker 2: I know what you're doing as a guy. He was
46:31
Speaker 2: guy calling from California, shocker and from Upton, California. And
46:37
Speaker 2: he said it's a stupid, foolish thing to do. And
46:40
Speaker 2: I said why, He said, because you're asking God to
46:43
Speaker 2: take sides, and you're asking God to crush our enemy.
46:48
Speaker 2: God doesn't take sides. Don't pretend that you're going to
46:51
Speaker 2: play God and ask God to defeat our enemies. That's
46:54
Speaker 2: not something God does. He doesn't take sides. What about
46:57
Speaker 2: all the innocent men, women and children of her Gallagher,
47:01
Speaker 2: why don't you deal with Why don't you pray for
47:03
Speaker 2: the men, women and.
47:04
Speaker 3: Children of Iraq? I mean of Iran?
47:06
Speaker 2: And I'm like well, And of course the phones blew
47:09
Speaker 2: up and everybody got upset and excited and supported my
47:14
Speaker 2: decision because if our podcast audience would like to listen
47:18
Speaker 2: to the words, you tell me, if there's anything in
47:21
Speaker 2: this prayer that makes you think that I'm asking God
47:24
Speaker 2: to take sides or I'm expecting God to crush the men,
47:29
Speaker 2: women and children of Iran. See if you get that
47:32
Speaker 2: from my prayer, here's mine, and then Mark will share
47:35
Speaker 2: with you his. As we wrap for a Thursday, Heavenly Father,
47:40
Speaker 2: we come before you with humble hearts, asking for your
47:43
Speaker 2: mercy and your peace in this uncertain hour. We lift
47:46
Speaker 2: up the leaders of our nation and leaders around the world.
47:50
Speaker 2: Grant them wisdom beyond their own understanding, courage to do
47:53
Speaker 2: what is right, and discernment that they may prevent needless suffering.
47:57
Speaker 2: Guide every decision with justice, restraint, and a desire for peace. Lord,
48:01
Speaker 2: We pray for the brave men and women of our military,
48:04
Speaker 2: and for our police officers, firefight fIF firefighters, paramedics, and
48:08
Speaker 2: all first responders, including the brave men and women of ice.
48:12
Speaker 2: Surround them with your protection, Strengthen them for the difficult days,
48:16
Speaker 2: comfort their families, and please bring them home safely. We
48:20
Speaker 2: ask you to watch over our country, unite us in purpose,
48:23
Speaker 2: calm our fears, and remind us that our ultimate hope
48:27
Speaker 2: is found in you and you alone. May your peace
48:30
Speaker 2: rule in our hearts, Your truth guide our nation, and
48:33
Speaker 2: your hand of protection rest upon the United States of America.
48:37
Speaker 2: In your holy name, we pray, Amen. And now was
48:41
Speaker 2: there anything in there that there was you ought to
48:45
Speaker 2: be persnekety if somebody wanted to. First of all, no,
48:48
Speaker 2: that's fantastic, as I hope mine is, because mine contains
48:52
Speaker 2: some talk sholl issues and here it comes. But it
48:56
Speaker 2: does it in a way that I think if it
48:58
Speaker 2: does quote unquote take aside, it takes the side that
49:01
Speaker 2: God is on. I'll let everybody judge that here in
49:03
Speaker 2: a second, when you mentioned the ice officers with specificity, and.
49:08
Speaker 3: People, well ice, maybe I'm anti ice, Well, okay, maybe
49:11
Speaker 3: you are, but but you don't want them killed. One
49:14
Speaker 3: would hope, we would hope that that you would want
49:17
Speaker 3: law enforcement officers, whether you agree or disagree with whatever
49:20
Speaker 3: policy they're carrying out, to be safe as they do
49:23
Speaker 3: their duty. You could you could certainly get arguments about
49:26
Speaker 3: almost anything. But I thought that was absolutely fantastic.
49:30
Speaker 2: Of course, of course, well thank you, let's do yours.
49:32
Speaker 2: Let's listen to your prayer that yeah, please, I'm ready, and.
49:35
Speaker 3: Then and then and then a preview about tomorrow, because
49:37
Speaker 3: do you still are you still doing this afternoon what
49:39
Speaker 3: you told me you're doing this afternoon?
49:41
Speaker 2: Yes, although there might be a little wrench in the works, you.
49:46
Speaker 3: Do that. You're gonna do that first and pray us
49:47
Speaker 3: out or pray it no.
49:48
Speaker 2: You no, yeah, let me just quickly mention I'm scheduled.
49:51
Speaker 2: I got a ticket to see the Odyssey because I
49:53
Speaker 2: couldn't get in all week. The theater was packed every day,
49:57
Speaker 2: every every showtime.
49:58
Speaker 3: Talked about movie in the world Odyssey with Matt Damon
50:01
Speaker 3: and you and I love talking movies.
50:03
Speaker 2: So you've seen it. I can't wait to hear your thoughts. No, No,
50:08
Speaker 2: don't you just blew it now? Why?
50:10
Speaker 1: No?
50:10
Speaker 3: I've been all over social media saying that I loved it.
50:13
Speaker 3: I haven't been gushing about it like some people have.
50:17
Speaker 3: I have found some of the criticism to be weird,
50:20
Speaker 3: but that doesn't mean everybody has to like it. But
50:22
Speaker 3: I'm stoked because tomorrow. I hope there are no big
50:25
Speaker 3: issues in the news tomorrow, because if we got room,
50:28
Speaker 3: we're gonna do Odyssey back and forth. And you remember
50:32
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago, I told you there was
50:34
Speaker 3: an eight season show that I started watching with Lisa.
50:39
Speaker 3: I thought it was going to be one of her cute,
50:41
Speaker 3: little romantic shows. Sure, honey, I'll watch a couple of
50:43
Speaker 3: episodes with you. I grew to tolerate it, then love it.
50:46
Speaker 3: It's been one of my favorite shows of the maybe
50:47
Speaker 3: of the last decade. We're going to finish up, probably today,
50:51
Speaker 3: and I will tell you about it tomorrow. And I've
50:54
Speaker 3: got a couple of issues about shows and the content
50:57
Speaker 3: of shows to sort of wrap up to put in
50:59
Speaker 3: our front broadcast. But first, don't tell me you're not
51:02
Speaker 3: doing it. Are you still on board for Odyssey?
51:05
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, And and I want to observe real
51:07
Speaker 2: quickly the reason the movie is controversial, and I think
51:11
Speaker 2: the reason pushed back and why you call these weird reactions, Well,
51:15
Speaker 2: let me let me, let me explain why.
51:16
Speaker 3: People think it is.
51:17
Speaker 2: People. Well, people are offended that they think the movie
51:20
Speaker 2: is woke. You've got a black Helen of Troy. You
51:22
Speaker 2: have things that aren't historically accurate. You got Elliott Page,
51:26
Speaker 2: so and they and people are angry about that. And
51:29
Speaker 2: Matt Walsh, for the record, as we know, the trans
51:33
Speaker 2: thing is is is a big thing for him. That's
51:35
Speaker 2: a big issue for him. So I guarantee you he
51:39
Speaker 2: was never gonna.
51:40
Speaker 3: Like this movie.
51:41
Speaker 2: Ever. That's what it's about, Mark. It isn't about I
51:44
Speaker 2: don't think he's making a compelling argument about the merits
51:47
Speaker 2: of the movie.
51:48
Speaker 3: But no, But but of all of all, I need
51:50
Speaker 3: to go back through every post he ever did. The
51:53
Speaker 3: casting of Elliott Page, in which who I'm glad to
51:56
Speaker 3: call Elliott You can change your name, but not your sex.
51:58
Speaker 3: Elliott Page is a is a she she she and her.
52:02
Speaker 3: It wasn't so much it was about all kinds of
52:04
Speaker 3: other stuff. He just went full raging bazooka on the
52:08
Speaker 3: thing and just it was just weird. But I got
52:11
Speaker 3: to know what you think, and I can't wait and
52:12
Speaker 3: say by None of this has anything to do with
52:14
Speaker 3: whether you find it artistically meritorious. So you either will
52:18
Speaker 3: or you won't, and we'll and we'll find out. Okay,
52:20
Speaker 3: we'll find out, Shay.
52:22
Speaker 2: Let's end. Let's go out with your prayer that use
52:24
Speaker 2: that you have expressed for years on your daily show
52:27
Speaker 2: on six sixty am. The Answer in Dallas.
52:29
Speaker 3: Lord, we thank you every day for this blessed nation
52:32
Speaker 3: and for your hand in creating it. Fill our hearts
52:34
Speaker 3: with the energy to defend the freedoms which come from you,
52:37
Speaker 3: which our nation was founded to protect. These are times
52:40
Speaker 3: filled with opportunity to improve our great nation as we
52:43
Speaker 3: fight for what we believe in. Help us to carry
52:45
Speaker 3: a positive spirit, treating others as we would want to
52:48
Speaker 3: be treated. We know we will always face challenges, so
52:51
Speaker 3: lift us as we follow your word and work for
52:53
Speaker 3: a better America. Where our constitution is honored, our borders work,
52:58
Speaker 3: where we protect the unborn, or we fight for the
53:00
Speaker 3: definition of the two sexes created by You, and where
53:04
Speaker 3: we navigate all of our differences with honesty and goodwill,
53:07
Speaker 3: and where our freedoms of speech and worship are protected.
53:10
Speaker 3: And Lord, as we face each day's problems, give us
53:13
Speaker 3: the clarity to look around and cherish our many blessings
53:15
Speaker 3: in our nation, our great state of Texas, our communities,
53:19
Speaker 3: and our families, because if we follow you, Lord, we
53:21
Speaker 3: know we can get through anything. And we ask these
53:24
Speaker 3: things in your holy name. Amen.
53:26
Speaker 2: Amen, I'm glad you're back. Amen, and Amen, just do
53:29
Speaker 2: it again tomorrow having great Thursdays. Love you to see
53:32
Speaker 2: tomorrow and honestly talk to come