Latest / Ryan's Journal / Surrender with a Button: The Broken World of Terms and Conditions
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- 0:15Okay, Ryan opens with a confession, so I'm opening with it too.
- 0:20He says he skips right over the terms and conditions popup.
- 0:24He clicks OK just to make the screen go away so he can read his article.
- 0:29And I say good for him for admitting it, because everybody does it.
- 0:34Millions of people.
- 0:35Every day.
- 0:36Click, click, click.
- 0:38What gets me is that he's not lazy.
- 0:41The screen is sitting on top of the thing you came for, like a guy standing in front
- 0:45of a door with a clipboard.
- 0:47You say OK because you want the article.
- 0:51That's not consent.
- 0:52That's surrender with a button on it.
- 0:55Surrender with a button!
- 0:56That's it.
- 0:57And Ryan's point is that the whole system is built on that surrender.
- 1:02They count on the click.
- 1:03They count on you being tired.
- 1:06They win on tired, folks, they win on tired every time.
- 1:11He draws a line I thought was smart, too.
- 1:14If you subscribe to something like eBay, a change to the terms can land in your
- 1:19email.
- 1:20Somebody told you.
- 1:21But the guy who just wanders in off the street with no account?
- 1:26Who tells him anything?
- 1:27Ryan keeps coming back to that phrase, acknowledgement of receipt.
- 1:32What does a receipt even mean for a visitor?
- 1:36And notice where he's standing.
- 1:37Last time we went through his memo on the back door, companies ending your account
- 1:42at any time without notice.
- 1:45Now he's at the front door, the person who never signed up for anything.
- 1:50Back door, front door.
- 1:52He is covering the whole house.
- 1:54Then he walks right into a trap, and to his credit he spots it himself.
- 1:59Okay, so send people a notice when the terms change.
- 2:03Send it where?
- 2:05An email address.
- 2:07So to read one news story, you hand over your email, so they can tell you about the
- 2:12terms you didn't read.
- 2:14That's a toll booth built to fix a toll booth.
- 2:18A toll booth to fix a toll booth.
- 2:21Thank you.
- 2:22And then he gives us the recliner.
- 2:26The recliner is the whole show.
- 2:28You're just researching a chair.
- 2:30Ryan says you walk away, and possibly they've picked up your name,
- 2:34your address, your email, your browser, your IP address, maybe the last ten,
- 2:41twenty, thirty websites you visited.
- 2:43I'll give him his own qualifier, he says possibly, and he says you might not even
- 2:48have known.
- 2:49That's the point.
- 2:50A man went shopping for somewhere comfortable to sit, and he left a file behind.
- 2:57You went to look at the chair, and the chair was looking at you.
- 3:00That's a reclining chair with a surveillance package.
- 3:02Here's where it gets interesting, though.
- 3:04The background reading backs him up in one way and kicks him in the shins in
- 3:10another.
- 3:10Courts have had a problem with the passive version, where the terms sit in a footer
- 3:16and the site says just by browsing, you agree.
- 3:19That's called browsewrap.
- 3:21In Nguyen v.
- 3:23Barnes and Noble, the Ninth Circuit in 2014 said consumers cannot be expected to
- 3:29ferret out hyperlinks to terms they have no reason to suspect they'll be bound by.
- 3:36Good!
- 3:36The little guy gets a win.
- 3:38But now the click version, the one Ryan actually does.
- 3:43They call it clickwrap.
- 3:44In Forrest v.
- 3:46Verizon, the terms were in a small scroll box, around thirteen pages,
- 3:51hard to read, and the court still said the customer had ample notice.
- 3:56The principle was you had the opportunity to read it, so you're bound,
- 4:01whether you read it or not.
- 4:03So the exact click Ryan makes out of pure fatigue is the click the law likes best.
- 4:09The system rewards the reflex.
- 4:12That's why his question matters.
- 4:15It isn't whether the box got clicked.
- 4:18It's whether anybody was ever really told anything.
- 4:21Now the solutions, because Ryan actually brings some, and the first one I love.
- 4:28Make companies list every modification, every edit, every change to their terms.
- 4:34A full revision history, right there on the website.
- 4:38Show your work!
- 4:40You changed the rules, so show us every time you changed the rules.
- 4:44His second one is plain old common sense.
- 4:47Seventy pages is not a contract, it's a hostage situation.
- 4:52He says cut it down to one page.
- 4:55Maybe you agree to the basic terms, not every last sentence of the boilerplate.
- 5:01And he's honest that he doesn't know how you'd pull it off.
- 5:05But the instinct is right.
- 5:07And here's the part that made me sit up.
- 5:09Congress has already had a bill like this.
- 5:12The TLDR Act, Terms of Service Labeling, Design and Readability.
- 5:17Bipartisan, from Congresswoman Lori Trahan and Senators Bill Cassidy and Ben Ray
- 5:23Luján.
- 5:24It would have the FTC require a short summary at the top of the terms,
- 5:28including how much effort it takes to read them, like a word count or reading time.
- 5:34And the summary has to name the sensitive information the company handles,
- 5:39and online browsing history is on that list.
- 5:42It also calls for historical versions of the terms and the changes.
- 5:46That's Ryan's changelog, almost word for word.
- 5:50Now, the law firm that wrote it up, Loeb and Loeb, in January 2022,
- 5:56said it remained to be seen whether it would get the votes.
- 5:59So I'm not telling you it's law.
- 6:01I'm telling you a man talking into a recorder landed in the same neighborhood as
- 6:06senators.
- 6:07Same neighborhood, and he didn't need a hearing room.
- 6:10And the third idea is about power.
- 6:13Should a website be able to pass your personal information to third parties just
- 6:19because it's written in the terms?
- 6:22Ryan says that comes back to consent.
- 6:25Do you consent or don't you.
- 6:28Separately, for the data.
- 6:30Not bundled in with seventy pages.
- 6:33The privacy guidance points the same direction.
- 6:36Termly says under most data privacy laws, consent has to be an affirmative,
- 6:43explicit action.
- 6:45No pre-ticked boxes, and they say one big Agree button covering the privacy
- 6:51policy, the cookie policy, and the terms together is a legal problem under most of
- 6:58those laws.
- 6:59Separate choices, separate boxes.
- 7:03Ryan was feeling for that door in the dark.
- 7:07Meanwhile, the people's answer is, I'll get a VPN.
- 7:10He mentions that.
- 7:11People go that route.
- 7:13And Ryan's not knocking it, but he says it's treating the symptom.
- 7:18Putting a raincoat on because the roof leaks.
- 7:21It might keep you drier.
- 7:23It doesn't fix the roof.
- 7:25And the best part is he doesn't pretend.
- 7:27He says it out loud, I'm still at a big question mark.
- 7:31Most people with a microphone never admit that.
- 7:34They arrive with a solution and a mug.
- 7:36That's why I trust it.
- 7:38He asks how you make the terms fair and balanced, and he asks what's been done,
- 7:43what's being done, what's going to be done.
- 7:45Then he hands the question to you.
- 7:47If you've got an idea he hasn't touched, send it in.
- 7:51He says it might give him some guidance.
- 7:53So that's the assignment, folks.
- 7:55Think of something good.
- 7:56And the next time a popup shows up while you're just trying to read about soup,
- 8:01or a recliner, take one second before you click OK.
- 8:05Just one.
- 8:06Then click it, because we're all human.