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Below the Belt Makeup & Lottery Ticket Logistics · Yo Gavel Gavel! - Court TV Commentary

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  Speaker 2: If you're doing makeup on a dead body and go
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna work our way back to direct TV. We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna just have it all in one. One thing. I'll
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  Speaker 1: go for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Jamie Lieber and Barry Romberg they're married, but I guess
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  Speaker 2: they kept Jamie and Barry. Jamie and Barry they are
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  Speaker 2: suing for ten thousand dollars or a lost lottery ticket.
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  Speaker 2: They're suing Jamie's brother in law, Frank Frank Cretazzo. Frank
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  Speaker 2: Cretazo technically ex brother in law.
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  Speaker 1: But we just to get into that. Have you talked
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  Speaker 1: to it? It's not important, Jamie says that we get
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  Speaker 1: you know, hey, what's your case? You know how few
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  Speaker 1: class thirty seconds to your case.
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  Speaker 2: Is that him?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yeh, Jamie says, Frank's my brother in law. I'm
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  Speaker 1: suing five thousand dollars for lottery winnings and another five
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars for not keeping his word.
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  Speaker 2: Frank says, I don't owe them money. I don't owe
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  Speaker 2: them apology. I don't owe them. Wow, that's right.
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  Speaker 1: Loves that. Steve Harvey says, I object, which is great
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  Speaker 1: because he's the judge. He says, you can't use that
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  Speaker 1: language in this court room. He objected. I love that.
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  Speaker 1: Steve Harvey has a problem with the s words. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we don't do that. He objected. The judge objects overrules
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  Speaker 1: by me as well sustained. Jamie explains that every year
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  Speaker 1: the local football team does a lottery fundraiser. Okay, there
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  Speaker 1: are one.
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  Speaker 2: It's basically a raffle, but there are one thousand tickets available.
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  Speaker 1: You pay fifty dollars for a ticket.
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  Speaker 2: Winner gets fifty thousand dollars, eight thousand of which goes
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  Speaker 2: to the football team.
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  Speaker 1: Winner gets forty two thousand. Basically, okay, do that makes sense?
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  Speaker 1: So this is an eight thousand dollars fundraiser for the
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  Speaker 1: foot football team. Got it. So they he's like, she says, uh,
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  Speaker 1: so Jamie's actually lucky. I'm not selling for forty two
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars, but we're in small claims court. So uh. Basically,
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  Speaker 1: Frank sells the tickets. He's one of the coaches, and
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  Speaker 1: he sells tickets, and they he sends him a text
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  Speaker 1: with a spreadsheet of ticket numbers that he has, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: one through one thousand, he has a hodgepodge of them,
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  Speaker 1: and they say, we would like threeh eight. It's the
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  Speaker 1: ticket eight, and so he would you know, Basically, he
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  Speaker 1: got that info and was like, all right, great, I'll
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  Speaker 1: get you get you your ticket. It takes some time
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  Speaker 1: to actually get the physical ticket. You know, they were
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  Speaker 1: doing that over text and blah blah blah. So a
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  Speaker 1: couple of weeks pass and he texts her, Hey, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna come over after my brother's birthday party. I'll bring
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  Speaker 1: you the ticket. Some time passes, it gets to be
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  Speaker 1: closer to midnight. He never shows up. So you know,
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  Speaker 1: they were like, okay, he must have gotten carried away.
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  Speaker 1: But it's still their ticket three eight, it's still theirs locked.
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  Speaker 1: So Frank says, yeah. So a couple of weeks pass
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  Speaker 1: and I'm going to my brother's birthday party. I brought
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  Speaker 1: some tickets with me to sell at the party, and
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  Speaker 1: it's going great. Hand me money, get a ticket, Hammi money,
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  Speaker 1: get a ticket, Handy money, get a ticket. He says,
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  Speaker 1: I sold around fifty to sixty tickets party. So the
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  Speaker 1: next day comes and she calls him and says, hey,
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  Speaker 1: we're out and about we're gonna come. We're gonna pick
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  Speaker 1: up the ticket since you didn't come by last night.
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  Speaker 1: And he says, you won't believe this, but last night
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  Speaker 1: I sold your ticket at the party. Oh my god.
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  Speaker 1: So he had the tickets obviously, one of them was
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  Speaker 1: three oh eight because he was gonna.
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  Speaker 2: Bring fred charge of tickets. That's the three hundred of them.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. So so they're matts about this. They
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  Speaker 1: say you should have set it aside, but they say okay.
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  Speaker 1: They end up buying four tickets that he had left
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  Speaker 1: on his person from the night before. They head out
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  Speaker 1: of town and they get a call from her mom saying, hey,
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  Speaker 1: do you do you still have the three o eight
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  Speaker 1: ticket and she says no, he didn't. He sold the
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  Speaker 1: ticket and mom is like the winner.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like betting on mystic Dan. You've not betract Dane
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  Speaker 2: and uh.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome, Jamie. Jamie's husband, Barry is very bad if I've
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  Speaker 1: thought about this. Big mad Bear's a big boy too.
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  Speaker 1: Bear's a big boy with big mats. Frank says, when
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  Speaker 1: it happened, I felt awful. In fact, Jamie shows a
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  Speaker 1: text message where she says, tell me three O eight
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  Speaker 1: didn't actually win. Can't believe this happened. And Frank sends
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  Speaker 1: a text back and just says, I'm so sick over
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  Speaker 1: all of this. So clearly having a tough time. He
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  Speaker 1: admits that he did it and he's wrong. Then uh,
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  Speaker 1: and then he he goes them it says uh, Steve
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  Speaker 1: says who won, and he says a local fireman one,
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  Speaker 1: so good good great for the fireman. So Jamie and
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  Speaker 1: Barry explained that the situation gets worse because it is
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  Speaker 1: customary for whoever wins the ticket to tip the person
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  Speaker 1: who sold them the ticket. So that's why Frank's out
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  Speaker 1: there trying to sell three hundred tickets, not just because
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  Speaker 1: he wants a football team to get eight thousand dollars. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: if somebody Frank Frank will get some money. And she
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  Speaker 1: hears that Frank got a tip of five thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Frank. You know, Frank says, I did
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  Speaker 1: get a tip. It wasn't five thousand. It was a
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  Speaker 1: little less than it was four thousand, four thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 1: Give it to them right this second. I don't. Barry
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  Speaker 1: speaks up at this moment and says that money should
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  Speaker 1: have been in our mailbox the next day. Yes, so
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  Speaker 1: she explains obviously why they're here for the ten thousand dollars. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know he got a tip. That money the max.
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  Speaker 1: They can ask for tens of max. But also, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you've your words, your bonds, you sold it. You should
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  Speaker 1: give us some money and so uh and and Frank says, uh,
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  Speaker 1: there was. It was an honest mistake. You know, you
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  Speaker 1: told me a number. No money was transferred to me,
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  Speaker 1: uh until you actually got the tickets. And so technically
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  Speaker 1: I'm not in the wrong here.
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  Speaker 2: Steve always does something weird. That's my thing is he
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  Speaker 2: always does something weird, like you know, I'm gonna give
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  Speaker 2: you three thousand plus he's got to be your valet
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  Speaker 2: for two years, Like he's always it's always something that's
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  Speaker 2: not expected.
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  Speaker 1: I think he should. They should get ten thousand dollars,
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  Speaker 1: the max they can get. That's what I think.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's gonna give them five thousand and then
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  Speaker 2: give them I don't know one hundred tickets to next
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  Speaker 2: year's thing. I don't know something like that. You're close,
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  Speaker 2: he explains. Technically, Frank is right. He doesn't owe you anything.
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  Speaker 2: It's not what he did. He's still above the law
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  Speaker 2: here because the money wasn't transferred into hard the law.
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  Speaker 2: But he says, I don't care about the law, which
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  Speaker 2: is wonderful.
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  Speaker 1: Frank.
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  Speaker 2: You got caught up in the moment. You're out there,
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  Speaker 2: you're slinging tickets. Frank, it's family, right, family. And then
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  Speaker 2: Steve says, I don't really understand what this lottery is.
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  Speaker 2: Acting like it's for the football team.
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  Speaker 1: Eight thousand dollars out of fifty thousand dollars is not.
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  Speaker 2: It's not about the football team. So here's what I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna do.
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  Speaker 1: Frank. You're not gonna give him any money. The court
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  Speaker 1: is gonna give the family five thousand dollars, and the
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  Speaker 1: court's gonna give the football team five thousand dollars because
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  Speaker 1: the football team deserves more than eight thousand dollars. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: and both of them are coming directly from the court.
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  Speaker 1: So Frank gets to keep his money. They get five
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars goes to kind of like the tip that
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  Speaker 1: maybe they should have gotten five thousand, really two thousands.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but because if it would have had a case,
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  Speaker 2: if they said, hey, three to oh eight and then
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  Speaker 2: I venmoed you the money, like it was like it's
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  Speaker 2: the fact that they didn't.
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  Speaker 1: Send the money. It was just hey, we want it,
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  Speaker 1: I want to You've got it. He wanted, You've got it,
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  Speaker 1: You've got it. That's right, that's right. Let's head on
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  Speaker 1: over to Judge Gino. Shall we ah arsenal Itory Court.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: Money's big over Money's big over there. Hillary Gray is
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  Speaker 2: suing al g r a Y suing Alison Ortiz for
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  Speaker 2: forty six thousand past medical seventy two hundred and lost wages,
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  Speaker 2: one hundred thousand, pain and suffering for a total of
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty three thousand, two one hundred dollars.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get into the legal sauce, shall we do. Hillary
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  Speaker 2: Gray is a cosmetologist. She says she's been doing this
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  Speaker 2: professionally for over ten years and she met Miss Ortiz
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  Speaker 2: at a mortuary convention.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I I don't get any more details here, but
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  Speaker 1: i'd love them. How are those two things connected?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think she was looking for work and she
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  Speaker 2: likes making up dead people, Like that's something she likes
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  Speaker 2: to do. Judged, you know, ask her, how do you
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  Speaker 2: get into making up dead bodies? She's like, beauty is
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  Speaker 2: beauty to me. Like you want to give the family
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  Speaker 2: the best that you can give them, and that's important
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  Speaker 2: to them. And Jane is like, it's pretty unique, and
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  Speaker 2: she's like, well, I'm pretty unique.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: So Miss Ortiz, who's very Southern, very white and Southern, says,
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  Speaker 2: our funeral home is a family run business. I've owned
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  Speaker 2: it for twenty years. My husband owned it before that
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  Speaker 2: when he passed away. His family has owned it for generations.
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  Speaker 1: It's how all southern funeral homeless, right, all of it's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I have a full staff for this, But I
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  Speaker 2: was at the mortuary convention. I had my booth set up.
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  Speaker 2: I met Miss Gray. She seemed nice, and I thought,
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  Speaker 2: you know, sometimes we can't control how busy we are.
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  Speaker 2: If it gets really busy, I could call her if
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  Speaker 2: I needed some extra help.
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  Speaker 1: So we had a weekend.
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  Speaker 2: We had three funerals all in one weekend, so I
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  Speaker 2: didn't have enough people to do all the work necessary.
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  Speaker 2: I called him miss Gray. She came to help that weekend.
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  Speaker 1: We can make up two dead bodies personally, but a
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  Speaker 1: third one on there. All right, this is where things
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  Speaker 1: go south, no pun intended.
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  Speaker 2: Hillary says, Uh, So, I'm I got this body, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm I'm working on I noticed some threads on the
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  Speaker 2: jacket of the body, and that bothers me, and so
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  Speaker 2: I pull those threads off. And then I noticed a
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  Speaker 2: jacket a string, a thread that appears to be going
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  Speaker 2: into the pants pocket. But that's not Hillary's job, right,
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  Speaker 2: it isn't okay, but she wants the body to look good.
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  Speaker 2: But again, threads on the jacket, right, So yeah, this
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  Speaker 2: is the whole rub of the case.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So she's like, I can't say I reach.
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  Speaker 2: I pull open the bottom half of the casket and
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  Speaker 2: I reached down to pull that string off. It is
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  Speaker 2: not a string, Calm down, it is a rat. Ah.
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  Speaker 1: She just pulled a full grown rat by its tail.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yes, as you see her say this, now, I know,
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  Speaker 2: I know, I haven't witnessed a lot of rats, nor
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  Speaker 2: have I seen one of the casket, But I think I.
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  Speaker 1: Would be able to tell the difference between a string
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  Speaker 1: and a rat tail, right, Yeah, I would be.
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  Speaker 2: She claims that this was something that was just down
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  Speaker 2: there and she wanted to get it out of the
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  Speaker 2: way because she didn't want it to look in. So
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  Speaker 2: the rat attacks her, full on attacks her. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: a rat attack, a attack she is. She is getting
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  Speaker 2: bitten by this rat. Shoulder arm had shoulders, so as
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  Speaker 2: the the rat then crawls up her arm, she reaches
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  Speaker 2: to hold on to the top of the casket as
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  Speaker 2: the rat is on her arm and showing her it
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  Speaker 2: is not stable. It's the bottom half of the casket
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  Speaker 2: that she opened, and it slams down, making the rat scatter,
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  Speaker 2: but also breaking her out.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I thought it was going to be worse.
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  Speaker 1: I thought the whole thing was going to fall on her. Okay, right.
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  Speaker 1: Gino says, I'm just uncomfortable right now, and then he
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  Speaker 1: says this line which made me uncomfortable, which is rats
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  Speaker 1: turned me into a little boy.
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  Speaker 2: That's what he said. And I'm always like, Gina, there's
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  Speaker 2: got to be a better way. He's got to be
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  Speaker 2: a better way. So She's like, yeah, the rat was
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  Speaker 2: all the way up and down my arm, scratching claw
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  Speaker 2: and biting, you know, broke my hand as I slammed it.
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  Speaker 1: Did you say how much she's sing for?
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  Speaker 2: One hundred and fifty three thousand dollars hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 2: three thousand, two hundred dollars, so forty six past medical,
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  Speaker 2: seventy two hundred lost wages, one hundred thousand paint and suffer.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So miss Ortiz, Gina's like, was there a rat
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  Speaker 1: on the body? Alison Ortez is like, this is weird.
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  Speaker 2: I was out front with families, We had funerals happening,
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  Speaker 2: Like there were one hundred people in our funeral home,
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  Speaker 2: and I heard a scream, and like anytime that happens
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  Speaker 2: in a funeral home, that's not the vibe we're trying
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  Speaker 2: to give off.
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  Speaker 1: I went immediately down.
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  Speaker 2: But as opposed to other establishments where they love the
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  Speaker 2: s but I mean of the places where a scream
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  Speaker 2: is the worst case scenario in a funeral home. It's
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  Speaker 2: gotta be in the back office of a funeral home.
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  Speaker 2: It's got to be top ten unless it's a hanted house. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: tapped an answers on the board. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: She goes.
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  Speaker 2: She goes down there and she's like, uh, Hillary's going crazy.
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  Speaker 1: She does.
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  Speaker 2: She just keeps screaming about a rat. She's bleeding and
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: like we have all kinds of things going on. She's like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm covering up her wounds. I'm looking for a rat everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: I don't see a rat. I'm like, Okay, we got
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  Speaker 2: all these funerals. You're done for the day. Go home,
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: go to the doctor where you need to go, and
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  Speaker 2: we'll take care of this tomorrow. But I'm really sorry.
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  Speaker 2: I don't see a rat anywhere. I gotta keep moving.
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  Speaker 2: I gotta keep going and doing these funerals, right. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: And so that's what happens. Hillary goes to the plasma. Nope,
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  Speaker 2: she goes to a full casket they have brought into
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  Speaker 2: the chambers.
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  Speaker 1: They brought a.
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  Speaker 2: Full a full body casket into Judge Gino's chambers.
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  Speaker 1: Would be a vampire casket.
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  Speaker 2: Could be a crackhead. Yes, she re enacts the whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: There's a dummy body in the caskets. It's like Pandolf
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  Speaker 2: playing this episode.
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  Speaker 1: But is there no later, There's no like cameras back there.
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  Speaker 2: There's no security, we don't have thing. So she shows
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  Speaker 2: she opens up the bottom half of the casket. She
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  Speaker 2: she's like, you're on her. This rat took chunks of
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  Speaker 2: my flesh out. Pretty awesome, right. It's like Gino's like,
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  Speaker 2: miss Ortiz, how is this not your fault? And Alison's like,
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  Speaker 2: you're honor. Can I please the court? That's what she says.
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  Speaker 2: I hope you do, you know, yeah, And he's like
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: yeah he.
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  Speaker 1: She goes up and she goes our.
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  Speaker 2: Our cosmetologists that work on our bodies get a casket
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  Speaker 2: and it looks like this, and she closes the bottom half.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, and she's like, there is no reason for
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  Speaker 2: a cosmetologist to be anywhere below the neck, no reason.
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  Speaker 2: It is not her job, it's not her place, it's
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  Speaker 2: not her it's just not what she should be doing.
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  Speaker 2: She's supposed to be working on the face of the body.
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  Speaker 2: There's no reason for her to go anywhere below then
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  Speaker 2: at all for any reason. And Gina's like, well that's
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  Speaker 2: a really good point, Hillary, What are you doing going
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  Speaker 2: below the neck of this body? And Hillary's like, you're
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  Speaker 2: on a perfectionist, Like my name goes on my work.
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  Speaker 2: I saw threads on the jacket. The body is supposed
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: to be look as though the family remembers them. I
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: didn't want it to reflect poorly on me. Allison's like,
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: your name's not on it. My name's on it, and
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: I've told you to just make up the face of
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: the body exactly right. And Gina's like, even if you're
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: a perfectionist, they're only going to see the top half right.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: And Hillary's like, I wanted to look nice. I want
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: to go above and beyond. I could see a string
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: on this jacket. I wanted to fix it. It's what
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: this family deserves. Allison's like, your this never happens if
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: she does her job and nothing more, it doesn't happen.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: So what are the injuries?
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Bye?
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Bye bye. You could argue that it would actually be
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: worse because there if this, if it's an open casket,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: if the rat, the rat was in there, it's gonna
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: jump out. Allison never acknowledges that there's a rat, and
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: there's one. We're gonna get more to that. Okay, okay, okay, okay.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Uh. Hillary broke two fingers on her dominant hand or
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: left hands of dominants, so she can't do her makeup,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: like that's her job to do makeup. She can't do it.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Biiten call marks all over her shoulder and arms. She's
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: still healing the out of work seventy two hundred. They
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: bring in an expert. The expert brings a rat into
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: the chambers with them.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: With them. It's at a medical doctor who.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Brings a rat in in a little thing, and it's
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: a black rat. And this is a common black rat.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Humans having in eight fears of these rats. They like
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: to chew. They're omnivores and they they'll chew corpses, they'll
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: chew whatever. The physician did everything right. Her wounds were
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: cleared out. The two things you have to remember with
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: rat with this is is that there's no doubt she
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: will have a long term psychological trauma from being attacked
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: by a rat. That is something that people have. It's
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: like common. But the good news is is that rats
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: carry all kinds of terrible diseases, three of which are salmonella,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: bubonic plague, and HIV. She was tested negative for all
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: of these guy and did dodge a bullet there. Judge
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Gino says, have you ever seen rats in your funeral home.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Alison's like, never once. Hillary's like the funeral homes disgusting.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: It's next to an alley of garbage, like she is
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: a picture of this alley behind the funeral home. It's
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: all these massive garbage dumps where all these businesses and
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: GINO very quickly is like that cannot be held against
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: this future. The funeral home cannot control what happens off
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: of their premises. Just because you have a picture of
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: dumps outside in an alley does not mean anything to
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: the funeral home. This evidence would not be admissible. He
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: specifically says that to her. Allison's like, I've passed every
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: health inspection, I have paperwork. I've never not passed a
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: health inspection. We have cleaners come in every evening, and
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: we have a regular exterminator. So my funeral home is
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: not disgusting. It just isn't Hillary. After what happened to her,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: she goes online, tries to find reviews of the funeral
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: home and finds someone that she brings to.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Court with her Okay named Ellen Harris. Ellen says, I'm Alan.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Ellen says I had a funeral at this funeral home
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: for my mom. There was a bug in the casket,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: and I saw rat droppings. Now we don't have any pictures.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: We just have an eyewitness testimony saying there were rat
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: droppings and a bug from a different source that is
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: not the defendant or the plaintiff. Alison's like, no way,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: we'd exterminate regularly. I've never seen rat droppings. There's never
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: been anything like that in the funeral home. I've never
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: not passed the health inspection. I've exterminated regularly. This is crazy.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Gino is ready to rule. I'm typically wrong, angry more
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: often than anyone.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, I think that this is a pretty
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: clear case. She got into it. Here's the thing. The
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: question is, is can you just because I would say
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: she's probably OCD of some sort where she's very very particular.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: She sees a string and it's like, I need to
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: get it. I see another string, I need to get it.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: And that's just it's not her job. And so I
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: don't think that she deserves any money. I think she
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: got into some business that she shouldn't have been in
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: the first place. And did she probably if there was
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: a rat, and I have no reason to think that
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: she's lying about this. Did she actually help the funeral
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: home dodge bullet there because it would have jumped out
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: at a person who's waiting in line to see and
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: say goodbye to their dead relative. Yeah. Probably, but that
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: didn't happen. Ultimately, she opened it up of an area
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: that she didn't need to open up. Just stick to
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: the face and none of this happened. Is one hundred
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: percent on her. I'm not giving her any money. You'd
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: think that, wouldn't you. Bring Come on, No, you can't.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: You'd think that.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: You'd think that, wouldn't you. Judge Gino gives her all
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: the money.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I know, so frustrating. Why.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Judge Gino says that the place that this case turned
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: was in the witness testimony of rat droppings. He chose
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: to believe that with a witness, rat droppings were present,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: and the law requires a business owner to take reasonable
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: measures to keep others safe and to lessen or eliminate hazards.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: The rat droppings required a specific extermination that was never
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: given by Miss Ortiz.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Hillary gets all the money.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: So you tell me that if I just find a witness,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: that's exactly right. Did the witnesses have to provide Proof's
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: already mad? At the funeral to provide proof at all
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: it is. It was such a miscarriage of justice. Gino's
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: swinging a miss again. She gets all the money. Ridiculous.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: It's unbelievable every time, so often. I'm so confident about
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: this one too. You can't mess this one up.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: When he said so calmly she was getting all the money,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it. I could not believe it. It's unbelievable.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: But but what do you want if if she provides
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: actual papers proving that she on a regular basis, gets
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: gets this an exterminator out there, that trumps your witness. Right,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: I have proof that I've done it. I've done the
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: things you're saying.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I need to take reasonable of action against No.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: His thing was the extermination is for just pest control.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: If you see rat droppings, you have to bring an
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: exterminator out to get rid of the rats. So if
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: you do regular extermination, it isn't to kill rats. It's
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: just a it's a preemptive like like you know, it's
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: it's designed to keep it from happening. Whereas if you
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: see rat droppings you have to bring up somebody just
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: for that. And she didn't do that. It's terrible. You're right,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Gino's wrong. The world's not fair. She shouldn't have gotten done.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Well, if you're angry at that, maybe come back next week.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: That's right. If it makes you angry again, we'll find out.
• 24:25
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