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Young men are lost, women most affected | Maintaining Frame 107 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian Iho
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  with Alison and this is maintaining frame number says like one oh four one o
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  seven. Actually, uh, you know something something something women most affected.
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  So Alison, you can talk now, I unmuteed you. Oh yeah,
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  no, no, I'm good, I'm good. I got we got it,
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  we got it up. We're on Artists Time in this particular channel.
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  Yes, we are going to be talking about how boys are lost and because
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  of that something something women more oppressed, something something. Boys are lost in
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  a desert, so they need to draw their own map to an oasis and
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  everything. That's how it works, isn't it Brian, Yeah, well of
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  course it is. I mean, how else do we deal with the crisis
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  of masculinity if not by blaming men? Hmmm exactly. We haven't done that
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  hard enough, and there's been a nanosecond since we last blamed men. So
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  let's let's do it again, all right. So we we are going to
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  be looking at this fine fellow, I have to navigate to find you.
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  Truthless, that's true. Ruthless. Truthless is that some like strudle, except
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  you don't have one. Strudleless. I don't know he is it pronounced like
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  that's truth? It's truth? Truth? Do we have this truth? Is
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  this truth somewhere in the building? Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sure that
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  there's a very legitimate reason behind this name, and it is a dignified name
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  with a storied history and a deep and profound lore that in cooperate incorporates themes
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  of loss and desire for understanding and a willingness to question oneself and doubting the
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  doubts. You know, I'm sure it all has it, it has it
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  all, but we don't know what it is. So we're just gonna have
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  to go with the title, which is truthless. I don't know the name
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  of this guy. I should know the name of this guy. I'm really
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  sorry, guys, I don't know the name of this guy. He seems
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  really just out of nowhere. Don't you think it's probably another huge channel though,
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  Yeah, yeah, I know, the one of these out of nowhere
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  like influencers that just yeah, yeah, let's let's see what the channel says.
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  Is Truthless Joined September sixth, twenty seventeen, Australia, one hundred and
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  nineteen videos, one million subs. Holy man, what's his magic? Huh
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  wow? Okay, well, I guess we'll find out because we're gonna cover
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  this particular video by him, which is the answer isn't online masculinity, says
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  a man talking about masculinity online. Okay, all right, fair enough,
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  And young men are lost? Now, I wasn't kidding when I said it
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  appears to be just from an initial tickle through his trunk. Oh God,
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  that was awful. I'm sorry that. What he seems to be saying is
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  that young men are lost in a desert. And literally, the way that
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  you get unlost in a desert if you're a young man, is you simply
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  pick up your pen and paper and draw yourself a map to the nearest oasis.
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  Do you see any flaws in that logic, Brian, Like, I
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  mean, it seems pretty sound. Don't you think there's no there's no there's
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  no there's no hole in that bucket. It seems the easiest way to deal
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  with these kinds of problems is to basically do everything you can to not ask
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  anyone except men to take it on. I mean, yeah, it is
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  just the nature of the burden expect Yeah, basically tell men. If you
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  expect anybody else to do any of the work, you are a burden.
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  So if you if you fail to unburden others, then you become a burden.
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  If you tail to take on the burdens of others, you become a
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  burden. And if you have burdens, you are a burden. And uh
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  yeah, such it be Okay, let's uh so before we begin once again.
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  sneaky little little ghost, all right. So once again, feed the
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  can go there. All right, let's just all right, let's get into
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  it. Yeah, did you did you buy any chance look at this opus?
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  And no, I have not seen it at all. I don't know
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  what's going to be in it, So, I mean it is broken up
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  in the chapters. So do you want me to jump to a specific chapter.
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  Let me let me take a look at those chapter headings, because I
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  don't my experience masculinity in others. Uh, yeah, I can't see it
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  at the moment if you're showing its masculinity in crisis in crisis as loves it.
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  Oh. Yes. The biggest predictor of engagement, which he basically discusses
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  how identifying enemies. I've talked about this on this channel before. If you're
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  a channel who identifies the enemy, like you, you point at a specific
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  group of people, you get a lot more engagement, which is I think
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  one of the reasons why we don't. I mean, we do call out
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  feminists, but mostly feminist behavior. We don't really say that feminists are the
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  only one who's who engage in that behavior either. So the fact that we
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  don't identify specific political group is the enemy consistently probably squelched some of our engagement.
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  And he goes over that as well, and then the next chapter is
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  what do you do? Mm hmm, So he gives a sort of an
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  idea and then he gives his own concept of how boys should navigate this crisis,
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  which of course he doesn't really identify what the crisis really is or where
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  it's coming from. And his end result is basically saying it really is.
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  You know, you're in lost in a desert, make yourself, just draw
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  yourself, imagine an oasis and draw yourself a map to it. And there's
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  some there's some parts that are missing there. And I don't even think he
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  realizes there that they are missing, because he is stuck in a framework that
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  he hasn't even begun the question. So let let's start. I mean we
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  could just start me let him intro. I mean, avoid the this this
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  move. This video is sponsored. But let's just start it? Is it?
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  Thumb? Hold on a second. I just want to share the source.
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  Yes, one million subscribers. I was an online person and I became
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  an offline person. Wow. How did you do it? Like a million
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  freaking subscribers? Wow? And you're right. The whole topic about masculinity is
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  absolutely radioactive. If you talk about it from one particular angle, you will
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  be completely avoided by almost every algorithm. And now I don't even think it's
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  because you're necessarily it's conscious censorship. It's because it's actually challenging something, something
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  very fundamental and essential to our social landscape. Like I said, he's within
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  a particular framework and he does not question it. So we're going to identify
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  that framework right here on Honey Badger Radio the way we usually do this is
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  a maintaining frame, right right. I forgot, Yeah it is. I
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  said that one O seven. No, I did it, that's why?
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  Oh yes, oh yeah, that's right. You introede, Yeah, I
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  did. I apologize of like the memory of a goldfish. All right,
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  let's keep going, all right, because you declared them, you declared them,
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  not the future like, because there's an entire academic brand devoted to framing
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  masculinity is bad with no redeeming qualities. And if they want, like anybody
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  who uses the term toxic masculinity, describe positive masculinity that you associate with men
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  and boys the same way you associate toxic traits, go ahead. Nobody has
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  ever been able to, and nobody who uses the term toxic masculinity has ever
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  been able to describe positive masculinity and genuine positive masculinity, as in, these
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  traits are positive and they are more likely to be seen among men and boys
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  than women and girls, period, full stop. Just like you say that
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  these toxic traits are more likely to be seen among men and boys, nobody
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  has ever nobody who uses that phrase has x ever successfully finished the positive masculinity
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  challenge, right, So maybe that's why boys are feeling lost, because their
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  identity is under attack. Yeah, all right, well let's continue. Well
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  I'm sorry, I'm still I'm still fiddling around with my automatic scene switcher thing.
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  I just want to make sure it works, you know, No,
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  that's fine, that's fine, you can. Honestly, I think it's great.
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  Like I do a long rent and you say yep, because what can
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  you say to that likes socide. We have decided to put masculinity in our
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  crosshairs, right, and to give young men know nothing positive about their sexual
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  identity, gender identity. I guess it's gender identity, nothing positive, no
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  positive recognition of being poisoned men. And then you have the audacity to ask
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  yourself, why do they seem lost? Hmm? Such a head scratcher.
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  Huh. Okay, just the second here, I just want to make one
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  more adjustment, and we're going to do that. Okay, Okay, now
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  I'm switching to the source and we're gonna play more of the video masculinity Toxic
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  Women. If you don't like, let want to define traditional masculinity as toxic.
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  We need men full times likely to kill themselves, sexist, rapist piece
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  of shit. You got it. Let's tuckle this topic in two thous pope.
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  Okay, so he's identify it's a mess. Mm hmm, which it
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  is, mm hmmm. He doesn't identify the genesis of the mess. I'm
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  saying that the river is polluted, but he's not going and stepping up the
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  bank of the river to find out who's dumping the sewage in. And we,
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  I mean, anybody who's been listening to us for a while knows exactly
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  who I'm gonna or what I'm going to call out. Men oppress women,
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  defining the relationship between men and women, that is the relationship. The two
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  genotypes, the two genetic categories that human beings come in aside from all of
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  some of the extraney or the extra ones, the two main genetic categories that
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  led us to the point where we exist today are defined by hatred, war,
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  oppression. Okay, right, The two groups of people, the two
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  main groups of people that we that through all of human history had to cooperate
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  in order for us to even be here, are defined in terms of oppression.
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  Okay, that's the source of the corruption. That is the source of
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  it. Right. And of course, because boys are the ones who are
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  defined as the oppressors, they're the ones who are dealing with having their identity
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  tirageted for annihilation, at least any positive aspects of their identity. They can
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  still feel like they share rape with each other, sort of grape with each
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  other, and domestic violence, and all of the negative parts of being human,
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  all the social ills of being human, but all the positive traits.
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  Nope, you can't exclude girls and women and girls from those positive traits by
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  giving them to men and boys. That would be misogyny. Well there you
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  go. Why are boys lost? Why don't they know what it means to
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  be a boy, because we've told them that it is evil and that they
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  are evil for even wanting to have a masculine identity. That's where he's coming
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  from. Okay, but let's see, let's see what he has to say.
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  All right, Oh, let's go back to the sources and play some
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  more, and we'll be understanding crisis and pott tea, we'll be finding a
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  ridnut to a solution. Alright, let's give a shot. If you're the
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  kind of person who feels like they need therapy, you're useless. This da
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  is getting at pretty heavy, so I thought it'd kick things off light with
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  my top five dumb boy moments. Coming in at number five, me and
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  two friends got super drunken scaled a crane. Coming in at number four.
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  I used to be such a joke that when I got my wisdom teeth out,
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  I learned how to pull bongs through my nerves. Number three. When
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  I was a teenager, I wanted to impress my friends while I was driving,
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  so I climbed on top of the car while I was driving. Number
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  two this haircut, and number one when I was twenty, I broke a
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  rib because I put a beer bottle on a sign and I tried to fly
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  kick it off, but my foot got caught on the sign and I just
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  fell. Yeah, what does it mean? Like? What are we getting
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  at here? All right? Let's play some more here? So that all
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  right? So that my experience with masculinity sucked. I never really had traditional
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  masculinity model. To me, I'm not lack other boys. I like to
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  shave, but I like spying on my friends. And then also, so
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  you are the product of a single mother. Yeah, I was gonna say,
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  are you is there's something in your life that might be missing that a
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  lot of like younger guys that have I guess what you consider normal masculinity.
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  Is there something about them that they how to shave? You know? But
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  here's the other thing. He's he's identified these risk taking moments and he says,
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  that's my experience with masculinity. Masculinity sucked, all right, But the
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  general tendency towards risk taking also includes innovation. It also includes the protection and
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  provision of society. It also includes, you know, making actually being able
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  to manage the emotional pressures of high stress jobs. And I'm not even talking
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  about like a traders, like a Wall Street traders. I'm talking about like
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  people who men mostly who manage the utility grits and have to make decisions that
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  are life and death, you know, surgeons. Those are all in fact,
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  if you look at the majority male occupations, most of them are defined
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  by being more willing to take risks being more willing to tolerate pain and danger
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  and discomfort and while also being physically stronger. So you say that your experience
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  of masculinity was bad, and you give an example of a bunch of risk
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  taking, and you don't take that further, because that's not just There's not
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  just negatives to risk taking. There are also significant positives, right, almost
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  anything that you identify as a negative aspect of masculinity, if you are really
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  going to identify it with masculinity, aside from all the social that get lumped
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  in, which are total crap. But if you're going to identify things like
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  risk taking, then you have to accept the positives. So go, and
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  you know, go and go up a tall building, Go up to the
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  top story, you know, look out and look down and say to yourself,
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  men's risk taking built this. Okay, fly an airplane. Men's risk
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  taking made this safe enough for there to be commercial air travel, right,
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  Okay, enjoy spending money. Men dying in war made that possible for you,
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  Like, go, appreciate the parts of risk taking that have helped built
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  everything that you enjoy, in everything that everyone in our society enjoys. And
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  he didn't even think that you see that. Yeah, sure, he went
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  right to you know, look at all of the dumb stuff I did as
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  a man. This is this is the reality for all men. And it's
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  like, well, no, you had the same instincts and the same drive
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  that other men have, but you used it in really stupid ways. And
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  it's yet, it's every man's fault that you did that. And we need
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  this instinct. It's an energy or whatever you want to call it or whatever,
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  but we need it driven in the right direction, in a healthy direction
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  that's not self destructive, it's not harmful. And you didn't have that.
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  So that's not the fault of men or masculinity. That's not the fault of
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  the internet influencers. That's just you. That's just your fault. Yep,
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  Okay, let's watch a little bit more. All right, we're back to
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  the sources here. And also, as a vivor of child sexual abust we're
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  in the ripestness nile. I was a child what the fan. As a
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  result, I struggled a lot with sort of like all the kind of things
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  that you'd imagine you'd struggle that. Yeah, my carden mechanisms. He's to
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  be terrible I was my friend. I know I would not normally say this.
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  I don't think that this is necessarily the case because you went through child's
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  sexual abuse. There's some other stuff you talk about later. I don't think
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  you are in a position to really explain how to deal with this stuff because
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  I don't think you're in a position to really appreciate masculinity in and of itself.
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  And I'm not saying that you can't be. But and also, if
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  you're a single the product of a single mother, you are going to be
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  more vulnerable because you don't have an adult man using his risk taking to protect
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  you. So I mean, this is like, I feel bad about saying
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  this because it's not like I don't want to say that he's negating there was
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  right to talk about this because of his horrific experience, because I've had that
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  done to me too. But then again, I mean, I don't I
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  won't get into that. But I think he has some unresolved stuff. Mm
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  hmm, that's what I no. Definitely definitely some some unresolved Uh. Let
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  me just put it this way. If somebody had been gored by a bull,
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  I don't necessarily think they're gonna they're gonna have a completely accurate view of
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  cattle, you know what I mean, and uh, and what cattle need
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  or whether or not cattle are worthy of living. So let's keep and I
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  you know, I feel bad for him because he had this experience, but
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  let's let's keep going. All right, let's keep going. No me more.
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  I had terrible men on him, like I was almost gonna die.
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  I left impulsivity. I just enjoyed the high of adrenaline often app that's right.
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  So they haven't died. Maged to my life together twelve years. And
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  I'm not saying that that's on the other side of sort of reckless boyhood.
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  I'm just saying that I know what it means. So at no point,
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  at no point, did you actually have a relationship with a man to help
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  you overcome this, at least you're not willing to express that, or that's
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  not the first thing that comes to mind, just pointing it out. Mm
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  hmmm, Because a relationship with a man is going to be really important part
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  of your relationship to your masculine identity, especially for a boy who apparently didn't
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  grow up with a father, you know. And uh, okay, well,
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  let's let's let's hear some more. All right, let's hear some more.
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  Here we go. I know what it means to you struggle with typically
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  male unhealthy coping mechanisms, and I also know what it means to you be
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  on the other side of those struggles. Then let's say, in crisis,
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  has he, like, here's my question, has he really overcome that?
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  Or has he got something in his life that he hinges his identity on in
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  terms of serving like that. There's a big difference there. Yeah, you
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  have you have you overcome it? Or are you masking it through service to
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  something else, your your family? You know? That's that's that and that's
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  that's something I notice about men. I'll use it a much much more cheerful
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  anecdote. There is a a patron in our discord many years ago, and
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  he was sort of berating himself because he hadn't hung a bunch of pictures like
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  he and it had been months, and he was he was like a someone
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  who really liked Jordan Peterson. So he was he was like, Oh,
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  I gotta clean my room, you know, I gotta make and I and
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  I can't make myself do this. I'm like, I'm I have had these
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  pictures for months and months and months and I haven't pung them, and I
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  just I can't believe that I'm so lazy. And I was like, well,
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  why don't you try something I do. Just do a next action,
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  a next immediate action. So instead of berating yourself about not hanging the posters,
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  just identify what's the next thing you need to do it, Like,
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  if do you need to get hooks, then the next thing is go to
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  the store, get hooks. I know, if you need to get a
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  hammer, go to the store, get a hammer. If you need to
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  hammer the you know, put the hooks in the wall. Then your next
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  immediate action is to, you know, measure out where you want the hook
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  and put it into the wall. Just nothing like there's nothing between you and
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  this next action. And so he did. I don't know if he did
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  it. I gave him that advice. A few months later, I asked
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  him, Okay, so, how what's what's happening with the with the with
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  the pictures? And he said, I hung them. And then I realized
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  that I hate them. And this is something that I've noticed about man.
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  I know that's sort of a funny, like it's just The reason why he
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  didn't want to hang them actually was because there was a subconscious revulsion towards them.
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  He didn't want them on his wall, and he had instead of addressing
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  that, instead of addressing the problem, the emotional problem he was having with
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  the pictures, he focused on the thing he had to do and berating himself
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  for not doing it. And that's what I mean. It's like you evade
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  the emotional problem by focusing on the action that needs to be taken, and
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  then sometimes all you do is just get into a negative thought spiral of I'm
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  not taking this action and I'm such a lazy person, you know whatever,
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  right, But it's because you've evaded the real issue, which is you don't
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  like the picture, you know. And this is something like again I've noticed
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  about men. They will evade, not evade, but they'll just and I'm
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  not saying this is a bad thing, because it's a very necessary thing in
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  certain circumstances, but they'll avoid the emotional reaction to something in favor of attaching
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  to emotionally, not emotionally, but cert certain terms of their identity to a
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  particular action that needs to be taken place. And now this, like I
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  said, this is not a negative thing. This is just something I've observed,
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  And if you think about it, it's pretty pretty important that men do
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  this because you can't always spend time marinating in your emotions. Often, especially
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  the things that men get up to. You have to identify the next thing
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  that you need to do, the next action that needs to be taken to
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  deal with the circumstance. But when you're dealing with something involving mental health issues,
• 28:52
  involving trauma, involving really not liking the picture that you were given as
• 28:56
  a gift, then focusing on the next action or the action that you need
• 29:03
  to take can be a way of avoiding it. And this is why I'm
• 29:07
  asking, is this guy genuinely has he genuinely overcome whatever issue he has,
• 29:14
  or has he simply found something to do something else to serve you know?
• 29:22
  Okay, I'm just under saying that, Yeah, fair enough, All right,
• 29:26
  let's get back to the source and play some more not a to Maybe
• 29:33
  this is like asking if there's a climate crisis, even if you deny climate
• 29:37
  change, it's not going to be a bad thing to look after your planet,
• 29:41
  even if you deny that there is a masculinity crisis. It's not going
• 29:44
  to be a bad thing to help young men become better. The counter argument
• 29:48
  would be, Okay, you know what, I'm not going to get sucked
• 29:55
  into the climate argument, but I will say one thing, climate changed has
• 30:00
  basically sucked the air out of every other environmental cause. And I say that
• 30:07
  as somebody who was very concerned about other environmental causes and watched the one that
• 30:14
  governments can tax become so much more important than every other one. So I
• 30:21
  just want to say that. But but that's like, inside, I know,
• 30:22
  that's not all. If you if you think, if you think the
• 30:26
  climate activism is a money laundering scam wrapped up in a government plot to you
• 30:33
  know, like essentially delete human beings as the carbon, I don't think there's
• 30:38
  anything wrong with that because there's plenty of evidence. So without getting into it
• 30:41
  too much, it's okay to be critical conversation around climate change. So and
• 30:48
  that's nothing. May be critical about the conversation around men's mental health, Yes,
• 30:55
  exactly, Christ somewhat, but he's he's acting like, well, this
• 30:59
  is just like he's basically saying, Allison, this is how absurd this conversation
• 31:06
  is I'm going to compare it to climate change, because if you have any
• 31:11
  criticisms of this thing that I have essentially made into a golden calf, that
• 31:15
  is climate change, and something is wrong with you clearly, and I don't
• 31:19
  actually have to explain myself at all, and so that the the issue is
• 31:25
  not what you feel about climate change at all, has nothing to do with
• 31:27
  that. The issue is how he is framing this conversation so that you can't
• 31:33
  have an opinion outside of the one that he's going to give you. That's
• 31:37
  what this really is. So you know, once you understand the tools and
• 31:41
  how they use it, it's really easy to say load. I wonder if
• 31:44
  this is the payload. But let's keep going, like to get the sneak
• 31:48
  this under the wire. But you know the delivery system is I am the
• 31:52
  final authority because you know, I don't know, it's like it's just the
• 31:59
  way that it's framed tells you everything I think. But we'll see I haven't
• 32:01
  seen much of this. It's obviously just started. So here we go.
• 32:07
  But in the list of Skull Galloway, compassion is not a zero sum game
• 32:12
  to understand a masculine Yeah, see, it's treated like a zero sum game.
• 32:17
  And often, I hate to tell you, but you're just at the
• 32:21
  lip of all of this problem, like you're the very lip. You're just
• 32:24
  deep. You do not know how deep this goes. But there are incredibly
• 32:31
  powerful ideological interests that are invested in manufacturing this idea of asymmetrical female victimhood because
• 32:43
  because it's a money spinner, it makes money. Women as victims, specifically
• 32:49
  women as victims because they're victims makes money. And the people who are making
• 32:53
  money like that not only are ignoring male victims, but they're also ignoring science
• 33:00
  that would reduce the rate of female victimhood. And why are they doing that.
• 33:04
  They have no invested, written reason to reduce the number of female victims
• 33:08
  that would reduce their income. So this is the There is some he's he's
• 33:14
  you are you are a little baby? You are a little baby. Okay,
• 33:21
  no idea, no idea. Okay, Well let's let's uh yeah,
• 33:23
  let's keep going. And we have to ask, is what are those words
• 33:28
  even main? Mmmm? Good lord, I see that sentence. Of course,
• 33:37
  saying that sentence isn't quite as clear as how I've written it there because
• 33:42
  the word man will spot the ways the word there that can mean anything,
• 33:45
  and the word Internet, it's basically a euphemism. We could be talking about
• 33:47
  any parts of the Internet. So let's get freaking specific, fellows. Let's
• 33:53
  look at the word man first. Masculinity can be anything depending on who you
• 33:58
  ask. If you are the biologist, it's you haven't a why primosime.
• 34:13
  Yeah, it's almost like it's designed so that you can't talk about it.
• 34:16
  It's almost like that's the reason why it's contreated as a social construct. And
• 34:21
  now you can't discuss femininity either, because it's essentially oppressive to women. Both
• 34:25
  of them are. In fact, all roads lead to oppression of women.
• 34:30
  I just I'm just curious, like, and we're curious where he's going with
• 34:36
  this, because he made a very strong statement at the beginning about all of
• 34:40
  the abuse that boys and men are suffering. It's and you know what,
• 34:45
  I get it because I got some guy on my Twitter saying, oh,
• 34:47
  you know, well, I'm a big, strong man. I can handle
• 34:52
  it. I can shoulder this burden of misondery and constant hatred of men.
• 34:57
  And I'm like, yeah, but they do it to boys too. You
• 35:00
  want boys to do this like you want boys to live in this world?
• 35:04
  You want boys to live in what he was showing, like the sheer contempt
• 35:09
  and disregard that was being displayed for boys. Do you want do you want
• 35:14
  boys growing up in that? You know, like a little six year old
• 35:17
  boy doesn't know anything, just a little innocent. All he wants to do
• 35:22
  is have a goldfish and play soccer, and he has to shoulder the burdens
• 35:25
  of feminist miss indry and are even even like feminist traditionalist miss indry, you
• 35:32
  know, like is that what you want for the world? And but I'm
• 35:36
  curious, like he's he's going into how do you define men in masculinity?
• 35:39
  Well, I mean obviously those people you first showed, those women felt that
• 35:45
  masculine men and masculinity was defined as being useless and of course the man versus
• 35:51
  bear thing defined as being harmful and dangerous and exploitative and rapie. I mean,
• 35:57
  this is what you're telling your little six year old boy, is he
• 36:00
  once has his goldfish and wants a puppy, wants to play soccer. You're
• 36:04
  telling him take responsibility because you are evil, Like you're growing You're gonna grow
• 36:09
  up to be evil, kid, You're going to grow up to be the
• 36:13
  most hateful creature on the planet. It's time for you to buck up,
• 36:16
  man up, or you want to cry about that, well, here's a
• 36:20
  backhand, like honestly, okay, so let's see what he's gonna say.
• 36:27
  All right, let's get back to it, bil right. If you wanted
• 36:32
  to figure out what masculinity was according to traditional Western values, you might stumble
• 36:37
  upon something called hedgemonic masculinity. He's the one that often gets protakeed in like
• 36:39
  those big, long, thin paces. The masculinity that makes this guy the
• 36:43
  bread winner, makes him stoic, competitive, tough, strong, dominant,
• 36:45
  and also, I'm my sun. Can't be gay, boys don't cry.
• 36:49
  Of course, if we dill the clock back even further toward dynastic China,
• 36:52
  pretty much China, we get a different answer. Where in masculinity was largely
• 36:54
  shared by two concepts when and who? When is your cultural accomplishment? So
• 37:00
  the art calligraphy, how much you contribute to society? And whoo is your
• 37:02
  martiall prowesssring? Okay, but that's exactly the same. Okay, I wanted
• 37:08
  to say dumbass, but that those are two ways of saying the same thing
• 37:15
  like, I mean, honestly, guy, are you gonna are you gonna
• 37:19
  say, are you gonna point to two pictures and one says sphere and the
• 37:22
  other says round and say, oh, these are two different things. No,
• 37:28
  No, sphere and ball. You know, like you've got that little
• 37:30
  round thing in the corner there. Oh it's a sphere, No it's a
• 37:34
  ball. Well those are two very different things. No they're not. That's
• 37:42
  just manhood in the Chinese cultural context, and that was manhood in the Western
• 37:46
  you know, business context. They're the same. Well it's it's based in
• 37:53
  the stoicism, so it's actually like the Western yeah, well know, the
• 38:00
  Chinese version was like confusion. It was like from yeah, no, I
• 38:04
  know, but I'm saying when you said that the business like, you know,
• 38:07
  the Western business, I was saying that I think it's but the Western
• 38:13
  business context is downstream from a more you know, Greek Stoic slash like you
• 38:22
  know, Protestant. You know, these are these are all like connected.
• 38:27
  It's like a thread and it's very similar. Like you said, it's not
• 38:30
  really different from the Chinese version. They're just using different words and maybe they
• 38:35
  have a slightly different framework. But it's I mean, like, yeah,
• 38:38
  it's it's all the same everywhere, Like masculinity is basically the same everywhere,
• 38:45
  so it doesn't change that much. So anyway, should I play more mm
• 38:51
  hmm ulinity? According to in cells here you just be a child or no
• 38:55
  one cares? And should no one cares? Writ a manifesto. Yes,
• 39:00
  that's the next move that find are an asshole? Okay, okay, right
• 39:04
  here, you have no compassion at all for many who are struggling. Yeah,
• 39:15
  like the contempt you have okay in cells of the men who are not
• 39:19
  being picked essentially who don't have prospects in our society, all right, and
• 39:27
  you're already expressing contempt towards them. So what do you have to offer?
• 39:31
  Mm hmm. Well, there's section here on it, right, Yeah,
• 39:36
  I know I've already watched some of it, but let's keep let's keep going,
• 39:38
  all right, all right, let's get back to it. What I
• 39:40
  complained that masculinity is a social construct, toxic, fragile, and in crisis,
• 39:46
  all of these different ways to save being a man. Now, all
• 39:52
  those different perspectives, I guess it's you know, usually a time and a
• 39:54
  place with they are used to wait a second, you're missing one. You're
• 39:58
  missing one, a bucket for everything wrong with humanity, because that's what the
• 40:02
  first thing you showed. Seriously, do you mean no, no, yeah,
• 40:09
  well I guess toxic masculinity. But he's calling it hegemonic masculinity. He's
• 40:15
  completely omitting the framework of masculinity, like he says, hegemonic masculinity a social
• 40:21
  construct. Well, what about everything you showed at the beginning. Masculinity is
• 40:27
  a bucket to hold all everything wrong with humanity. That's what you showed at
• 40:30
  the beginning. That's what he showed at the beginning, and he's not he's
• 40:35
  omitting it now as a definition of masculinity. Why is that? Like,
• 40:39
  what what are you trying to do here? Yeah, all right, let's
• 40:46
  play some more whole lot of I think debating off the word man is something
• 40:53
  that people will probably be doing forever, so with the idea that there are
• 40:58
  just many slightly more tangible part of this definition according to the Internet, which,
• 41:05
  according to Lady Gaga, is a toilet. The Internet is a toilet.
• 41:09
  Truly is man? How to be a man? According to the Internet.
• 41:14
  So earlier I mentioned that this was a year femism when we say the
• 41:16
  internet, what are we really saying. We're really saying how to be a
• 41:20
  man, how to be a man, so how to gain value as a
• 41:24
  man, basically, right, and look, okay, let's let's continue.
• 41:30
  I know we have the banana occasionally. Sorry, guys, you gotta talk,
• 41:34
  but let's let's let's just let him, let him say what he has
• 41:37
  on our smartphone. Here's a nice little article from the nine fifties. None
• 41:45
  at all. So the reason that I think is because you look at the
• 41:49
  UNUS statistics and it's like eight hours a day, and then you also look
• 41:52
  at the socializing statistics and it's going down and say, like, ah,
• 41:54
  human interaction is getting replaced by media interaction at scale. As None of this
• 42:00
  is a judgment on anyone. By the way, if you use your final
• 42:01
  it and you feel bad about that, I don't blame you. I blame
• 42:04
  to find dude jen Z. You guys got freaking womped. I can only
• 42:07
  imagine how hot it would be to you have these things in high school.
• 42:09
  But that will come clear because when we are talking about a smartphone, we're
• 42:12
  actually talking about the way that we get this sort of more wild information social
• 42:16
  media pausive for the banana, just to say, I wonder if he's gonna
• 42:22
  mention that social media is basically dominated and run by women. I don't suspect
• 42:27
  too well like that. They literally set the tone and they are the ones
• 42:30
  that make the judgments on what men are worth, and that includes the so
• 42:36
  called male influencers. Their effectiveness is dictated by women's approval in my opinion,
• 42:43
  but that's probably not going to come up, is what I suspect. Okay,
• 42:46
  be advised, world, if you have a penis, you probably deserve
• 42:50
  murdering. Be well advised, world, If you have a penis, you
• 42:53
  probably deserve murdering. Okay, what the hell does that mean? All right?
• 43:00
  Back to this, guys, will if you have a painist, you'd
• 43:06
  probably deserve murdering. It's a bit extreme, but extreme is the What we're
• 43:13
  really talking about is an ecosystem of media businesses. Fracking was left of your
• 43:16
  attention with God to your slot machine, accountics, pushing whatever content is best
• 43:21
  optimized for limbic hijack and time theft in the name of maximizing shareholder grive.
• 43:24
  Selling ya one million subscribers, guys, Okay, this guy has one million
• 43:30
  subscribers one million, we have like maybe ten thousand. Right, who do
• 43:35
  you think is fracking the Limbic system here? You have nothing to speak on.
• 43:42
  Whatever you do, the algorithm loves you. Maybe that makes you just
• 43:44
  a better content creator. I wouldn't argue with that. I'm never intended to
• 43:49
  was. I never started my life saying, hey, I want to make
• 43:51
  content in YouTube. I want to be a media or even like a media
• 43:54
  person or a promoter. I was like, I want to be an artist
• 43:58
  and a writer, and then the issue of men's issues became really important to
• 44:01
  me. So that's what I sort of segued into. But I just want
• 44:06
  to point out that based on this argument, I mean, he's he's got
• 44:13
  a million million subscribers from one hundred and twenty videos, He's obviously hitting some
• 44:20
  aspect of fracking the Olympics system. You know, as he considered that,
• 44:27
  Okay, never mind, let's keep going. All right, Uh yeah,
• 44:30
  let's let's continue, Let's switch scenes here. Honestly, this is getting boring,
• 44:37
  I mean, because the other thing is that he's just he shows that
• 44:40
  level of extremism, and he's shown it at the beginning. But I'm wondering
• 44:44
  where he's going with it, like I know where he's going with it.
• 44:47
  But you know, let's let's let's move to the next section. All right,
• 44:52
  you want me to jump ahead to the next if you want, Melgith,
• 44:55
  well, no, no, no, I think we can skip some
• 44:58
  of this because essentially, this is the thing that I've noticed a lot,
• 45:02
  is that when people like this guy, and this is just one example,
• 45:07
  there's lots of people, a lot of women making content very similar that are
• 45:10
  like Lauren Southern was made a video that was sort of like along the same
• 45:15
  lines where she was saying, Oh, it's all about essentially when it comes
• 45:19
  to what's going on with men, it seems like instead of landing on well,
• 45:23
  maybe there's something about like the conversation or the way that we treat men,
• 45:28
  or the way that we think of men's existence in our lives, you
• 45:30
  know, either and in the present as well as historically, and how these
• 45:35
  like ideas that men have always oppressed women throughout history, therefore they're deserving of
• 45:38
  less sympathy, Like all of these things could be a problem that's sort of
• 45:43
  like starting to multiply on itself exponentially, and there's gonna be like it's gonna
• 45:47
  come to a point where men are just gonna walk away and we're not gonna
• 45:51
  have any of their help, and you know, we don't really deserve it
• 45:54
  because we have essentially allowed this to happen. They could be doing that,
• 45:59
  but it seems like when the opportunity to talk about men's issues comes up,
• 46:02
  they go, it's not about men, it's about capitalism. This is what
• 46:06
  really frustrates me because that's what he's saying. He's like, oh, this
• 46:08
  is just people maximizing the shape the shareholders. They're trying to maximize profits,
• 46:14
  so they're just using men to do it, or they're they're they're in there
• 46:19
  creating or in emboldening like negative engagement towards men instead of addressing like, well,
• 46:23
  why is their negative engagement towards men? Why are men being treated this
• 46:28
  way? Why is this our reality? But no, he can't do that
• 46:31
  because that would mean he had to, like, you know, question his
• 46:35
  entire life paradigm, which he's not willing to do. But you know what,
• 46:39
  I'll blame capitalism, That's what I'll do. I'll blame the greedy corporations
• 46:45
  for doing that. And that's why he says the algorithm likes it. He's
• 46:47
  trying to trick people into thinking that this thing that he's that you see is
• 46:52
  happening. It's not happening. It's not really mis injury. It's capitalism.
• 46:55
  Guys, help us fight it, because I can accept that, you know
• 47:00
  the other thing they can't. So anyway, So he says, the algorithm
• 47:06
  loves it. I don't really care. It loves it for you because you're
• 47:08
  saying the things algorithm likes. The biggest predictor of engagement. Do you want
• 47:15
  that one? Yeah, sure, let's go for it. Let's go to
• 47:17
  that one. Then, the single biggest predictor of whether a post willet high
• 47:22
  engagement is how much it dunks on an outgroup, not how much it confirms
• 47:27
  the belief and how much it confirms the war. So, even bigger than
• 47:30
  the volume of ideas are people negating straw men of those ideas, basically making
• 47:35
  these soft puppets and then just like bashing them down, caricaturizing an entire ideology
• 47:38
  into one thing, and then just being like that sucks, and that sucks.
• 47:43
  Here's what happens next. What do you mean the breakers out of money
• 47:51
  in su it? You only have enough, Jesh, for the next three
• 47:53
  customers. Yeah, just I mean, I don't think there's going to be
• 48:02
  much of a banana with this one, but let's keep going. The problem
• 48:07
  isn't the gamut of opinions. It's not even the people. No, it's
• 48:09
  what Marshall McClue and identified in the nineteen sixties. It's the medium is the
• 48:14
  message. If your medium is one that tells people, but the best way
• 48:17
  to get your message out to as many people as possible is to be extreme
• 48:20
  and tribalistic, then yeah, even the most benign sentences start to look like
• 48:24
  a flame war. And it makes sense that the more time you spend in
• 48:27
  a medium like that, the more time you will start believing that there are
• 48:30
  sides or groups. You might actually even be feeling it. Right now,
• 48:32
  we can do a quick little test. Is there any part of your brain
• 48:36
  that still kind of has that weird like brainwashing from social media that's trying to
• 48:38
  sort me into an abstract team? Is he red PILs blue? Is he
• 48:42
  pro med or pro women? Which one is? Because he left his cart
• 48:45
  and apologist? Well, I think you are going to reveal yourself as soon
• 48:50
  as you set up your sides. You're going to reveal what side you're on.
• 48:53
  Okay, let's keep going. Yeah, there are sides, all right,
• 49:00
  Well, I mean there's definitely the side that demands take a side.
• 49:04
  You know. That's the funny thing. It's like, when feminists framed the
• 49:07
  sex the relationship between the sexes in terms of oppression, they constructed this whole
• 49:13
  idea of picking a side that you had to add there were sides to pick
• 49:16
  between men and women, Like before then, do you did you have to
• 49:22
  pick up a side? No, because there was no side. There was
• 49:25
  only men and women cooperating for the betterment of their families and their communities and
• 49:30
  society. So it's like, right there, you can't get away from the
• 49:37
  fact that feminists demanded that sides be picked. Okay, And I mean when
• 49:43
  I talk about things, I'm like, the idea that there is ultimately a
• 49:49
  side between men and women is destructive. That idea that there is men oppressing
• 49:54
  women is destructive, you know. And but let's let's get let's find out
• 50:00
  what side he thinks there are. Yeah, are you bored? You're siding
• 50:07
  names? They are just people. But it doesn't always feel like that.
• 50:12
  Our brains are hardwired for groups. Yeah, even something as simple as a
• 50:15
  coin flip or you know, wearing a different college jes you can make us
• 50:17
  feel tribalistic. So guys to stand that, probably if you are a young
• 50:22
  teenage boy looking at the internet, getting most of your information from the internet,
• 50:25
  these sides might feel quite tangible. Really, you think like wait here,
• 50:31
  wait wait, these sides might feel tangible. Did do you Did we
• 50:37
  not watch that video? Do you remember the video? The beginning? Yeah?
• 50:44
  Sure, all of the kid need men and the women are like,
• 50:46
  no you mean that video? Yeah? That video? Are it? Are?
• 50:51
  Men are part of our future? No? You know, like,
• 50:53
  did you watch that? You think that that boys are going on and they're
• 50:58
  thinking what do you think boys response to watching stuff like that is going to
• 51:07
  be hm and also listening to their teachers and also having to learn things like
• 51:16
  that they are oppressors of women. I mean that itself is an extremist concept,
• 51:23
  and this is the framework that I don't think that this guy has ever
• 51:27
  stepped out of. We live in an extremist society. We are all a
• 51:35
  part of the extremism. We all ingest it, we all have it in
• 51:39
  our side ourselves because to some degree, unless you have taken the steps to
• 51:46
  actively question it. We are all touched by this narrative, this contemptible narrative
• 51:53
  of oppression. Okay, and boys grow up in it. This is what
• 52:01
  they grow up with. They grow up with the condemnation of their gender identity
• 52:08
  as being the worst thing in the world. Literally, like patriarchy is what
• 52:15
  it's responsible for all human ill Toxic masculinity is responsible for everything negative about being
• 52:22
  human? Right, how much worse does it get for boys and their identity?
• 52:30
  And then they go on the internet and they see things like kill all
• 52:34
  men, be advised. If you have a penis you deserve murdering and all
• 52:38
  of the other and oh, there's no there's men are useless, men are
• 52:42
  there's nothing. Oh, I choose the bear over a man like And then
• 52:46
  you have the audacity to be like, oh and these boys think they have
• 52:51
  to choose a side. Well, I wonder why. Okay, maybe he
• 52:54
  addresses this because I think I'm miss I skipped a bit of this section.
• 52:59
  But let's see, Well, do you want to hate yourself? Would you
• 53:06
  prefer to worship Ripus? Which one? Just pick? Pick? God,
• 53:09
  you're a sixteen year old boy, you gotta make that choice, I guess.
• 53:14
  So he's talking about Andrew Tate. So he creates the dichotomy and then
• 53:22
  he makes you choose, and then you choosing is picking sides. Well,
• 53:27
  I mean he might created the sides. The sides are you either hate yourself
• 53:34
  or you worship a rapist. That's what he chose when he said, just
• 53:37
  now, oh, we all picked teams. Here are the two teams that
• 53:40
  you guys are a part of. So he's a automatically creating a false dichotomy
• 53:46
  completely. He's basically just creating two extreme sides and saying you gotta choose one.
• 53:52
  No man, even the ones that are dealing with the modern world as
• 53:54
  it is, as anti mail as it is, is doing this. No
• 53:58
  man is doing this. But he's framing it this way because he's got the
• 54:01
  one billion IQ That's why this is more high IQ Internet bullshit. I can't
• 54:07
  stand this ship. I can't stand these fucking people. But anyway, let's
• 54:12
  let's hear some more. I'm sure that's what it is. I'm sure it
• 54:14
  is what it is, but let's let's do it. You have Brian has
• 54:16
  not seen this at all. I have nothing. Are you gonna refine that?
• 54:22
  What I'm gonna see what he's Okay, he refines his his his spectrum
• 54:28
  a bit, but let's keep going. All right, I'm gonna go back
• 54:30
  a little bit just so I hear it better cool, weird? Right?
• 54:39
  So what do you do? Well? Do you want to hate yourself?
• 54:43
  Would you prefer a leaship for rite this? Which one gotta make that choice?
• 54:50
  I guess neither do nothing. And that's exactly what I'm saying. It's
• 54:53
  hard to be convincing when you say men are in trouble after all, Like,
• 54:59
  look around, des All forty five US presidents have been men, and
• 55:04
  probably the next president will be one two. If you look at the S
• 55:07
  and P. Five hundred a few years ago, there are actually more CEOs
• 55:12
  named Michael or James than there are women CEOs period and put that. Wow,
• 55:21
  what an astounding insight. Okay. Also, the ratio of CEOs to
• 55:28
  ditch diggers and sewer workers is much higher or much lower for men than it
• 55:34
  is for women. Women have are about like I think one ceo per maybe
• 55:39
  one hundred maybe ten women sewer workers, and men are like one CEO per
• 55:45
  a couple hundred thousand or maybe a thousand sewer workers. I mean, if
• 55:52
  you include all the really bad jobs, a couple hundred thousand. So,
• 55:57
  for whatever reason, people don't want to point this out, there's a selective
• 56:01
  pressure for women out of the worst jobs. So women aren't taking the worst
• 56:06
  jobs, and there was being selectively maneuvered up into the CEO positions instead.
• 56:15
  Okay, these men aren't president of the United States. It's easy to get
• 56:22
  Let me look at it. Let me give you an idea of how this
• 56:25
  works. If you have one hundred men and one hundred women, one woman
• 56:30
  will be selected for CEO and maybe five men will be selected for CEO.
• 56:37
  Eighty men will be selected for the most dangerous, destructive, physically impactful,
• 56:44
  potentially deadly jobs in the world, and only about maybe one or two women
• 56:51
  will be in those jobs, maybe five that everybody. All the other women,
• 56:55
  the rest of them will be in middle management, will be in air
• 56:59
  condition or service, will not be doing dangerous, difficult, risky work.
• 57:05
  All right, And they look at that situation where you have I don't know,
• 57:10
  ninety eight percent of women in a materially better position than eighty percent of
• 57:16
  men, and they say that it's a situation that favors men really because because
• 57:28
  on top in the CEO position there are more men. Okay, they are
• 57:37
  men that are doing well. And realize that the majority of men are not
• 57:42
  hanging on so well. Is that their fault is that men's fault that they're
• 57:50
  not doing so well? Whose fault is it? Wasn't this the point of
• 57:55
  the last couple generations? Wasn't this the point of the future is female that
• 58:00
  men not be doing as well as they did? Okay, I'll be quiet.
• 58:14
  Doin a misogynist cult? What's your next step? Basically do nothing,
• 58:17
  which I think for a lot of young men would manifest as porn, gaming
• 58:22
  and bonds meet not in education, employment or training. Sixty three percent of
• 58:28
  young men a single during COVID the decline and enrollment was seven times high for
• 58:30
  men. Seventy one percent of males held a full time job in twenty twenty
• 58:34
  one, down from eighty five percent. You s unemployment. It has risen
• 58:37
  to fifteen point two percent in the UK. That's pretty bad news, and
• 58:40
  it gets worse. So we got that stare time. You are three times
• 58:44
  more likely to develop an alcohol dependency and three times more likely to report frequent
• 58:47
  drug use. Now just be mindful. Sometimes when you hear sad statistics about
• 58:55
  a group that you are part of, there is a part of you that
• 58:59
  reacts not with sadness but almost with joy. Not because you're happy, but
• 59:02
  because you feel validated, because you feel seen, because you've been gone through
• 59:07
  something, and like any human, you need empathy, and if you don't
• 59:09
  feel like you deserve it, stats can give you that authority, like,
• 59:14
  yes, I knew I wasn't going crazy, I knew that there was something
• 59:16
  up. But this same mechanism can become defensive when you hear similar stats about
• 59:22
  outgroups. So while men had it worse in education and healthcare, women had
• 59:27
  it worse in employment and unpaid labor, and much much worse in domestic violence.
• 59:30
  But they didn't. That's a bald faced defensive Alison. You don't don't
• 59:38
  get defensive. Explained that. No, he just explained. The chemicals in
• 59:43
  your brain might react and you might get defensive. Let's get like, yeah,
• 59:51
  women are outgroups. Come on, like, seriously, I regard women
• 59:55
  as an out group. I'm sorry here, I have my woman car.
• 1:00:01
  Okay, okay, obey the freaking yeah, please don't ban us, go
• 1:00:09
  ahead, but seriously, okay, those are my women are not an out
• 1:00:15
  group card that right there? Okay, guy, screw you, screw you
• 1:00:22
  all right, And I'm I'm saying this deep from in within my female cockles.
• 1:00:28
  Whatever the hell those are. This whole idea like this immediate segue into
• 1:00:35
  women have to be the biggest victims is foisting a particular identity on women,
• 1:00:39
  and that is lacking agency relative to men. There was the the consequences of
• 1:00:45
  their actions are less important, are less meaningful in the greater world. It's
• 1:00:51
  this learned helplessness. And what's interesting is the awareness of your effect on the
• 1:00:58
  outside world. Your effect on the outside world is a huge component of theory
• 1:01:01
  of mind and awareness like or self awareness, like of a conscious being,
• 1:01:07
  of being a Literally this is the test of whether an animal has like a
• 1:01:12
  similar consciousness level to humans, is it aware of itself in the greater world.
• 1:01:16
  And you are basically by making women out to be victims, you are
• 1:01:22
  forest forcing a particular identity on them of just being acted upon rather than being
• 1:01:28
  actors in the greater world. So screw you on that level, right,
• 1:01:34
  There is a balance to be struck here. Men have every right to feel
• 1:01:38
  validated when they are told that they have problems and they recognize those problems in
• 1:01:45
  their own life. Okay, and you framing it as in, oh,
• 1:01:51
  but you don't. If you get that, you can't question whether or not
• 1:01:54
  women have problems. Bullshit, I'm going to question that because it's a because
• 1:02:00
  in our society there is a huge pressure to deny men's problems and to exaggerate
• 1:02:07
  women's problems. And you can see like that there we have statistical evidence that
• 1:02:12
  we do that, We have ideological evidence. We have evidence of feminists going
• 1:02:16
  into domestic domestic violence studies or framing domestic violence studies in order to present domestic
• 1:02:24
  violence is asymmetrical with men doing it to women. Okay, so yes,
• 1:02:30
  we can call this out those those aren't. This is a false equivalence when
• 1:02:35
  when like and he starts off, Oh, men are supposed to be stoic
• 1:02:37
  not talk about their problems. But you know, don't, don't don't get
• 1:02:40
  too sucked into talking about your problems men. You might start to forget women's
• 1:02:45
  problems. Screw you. Can we just have the conversation about men's problems without
• 1:02:52
  this preemptive Yeah, but don't go too far. Don't go too far.
• 1:02:55
  You might cease to be useful for women's problems like teams? Can I escape?
• 1:03:04
  Can I escape from having problems like? Can I escape from having needs
• 1:03:09
  that constantly need to be served? Can I escape from that role? Is
• 1:03:14
  it possible? I don't mean to be aggravating, but like, is it?
• 1:03:20
  It's like, is there a space for women who are like you know
• 1:03:22
  what? I'd like to exist without a constant emphasis on how I am hard
• 1:03:29
  done by how life sucks and how I constantly have needs that need to be
• 1:03:32
  served. No offense like none taken. Okay, all right, let's get
• 1:03:39
  back to it. Yeah, I just want to bring that up. Kids.
• 1:03:43
  I don't want anyone to really feel shame about their reactions when they hit
• 1:03:45
  starts. If you get defensive, if you feel vindicated, I don't think
• 1:03:49
  it's anything to worry about. Well, that is is getting your brain beyond
• 1:03:52
  the reactions to solutions. Now, if that option doesn't entice you, there's
• 1:03:58
  always suicide. Fellas are killing it and by it I mean ourselves. So
• 1:04:02
  this is this is one of my best mates I lost in last yemit of
• 1:04:05
  suicide. Fucking love. I love this dude so much and ah no,
• 1:04:11
  man, black, it's it's just real, you know what I mean.
• 1:04:15
  But yeah, suicide is the leading cause of death for men under fifty years
• 1:04:18
  old. And what concerns me here is the data on how many men talk
• 1:04:21
  about it and how many men just spade run it. So of all soccer
• 1:04:25
  referrals in the UK, it's only a bit over a third on men,
• 1:04:28
  but of all their suicides three quarters of men. It's not because the men
• 1:04:31
  in the UK specifically, very specifically, it's not because they are not getting
• 1:04:36
  help or going to mental health or social services, because they are. Most
• 1:04:41
  of the men who end up killing themselves have gone to a doctor or a
• 1:04:46
  therapist right. In fact, they are in contact with it months before their
• 1:04:50
  suicide. So the idea that they're not getting well, first of all,
• 1:04:55
  they're not getting referrals, well is that on them? Referrals are just something
• 1:04:59
  generally your doctor does. And honestly, I can understand why they get less
• 1:05:04
  referrals because look, think about it. Men aren't screened for things like sexual
• 1:05:09
  abuse, they aren't screened for things like domestic abuse, they aren't screened for
• 1:05:13
  things like depression based on a hostile work environment like nowhere are they given any
• 1:05:20
  idea or any concern over these things that they might experience. So at no
• 1:05:26
  point are is anybody in this NHS I think that's the UK one. Are
• 1:05:31
  they stopping and saying, hey, is this particular man experiencing domestic violence or
• 1:05:34
  sexual abuse or harassment? They don't, because he's a man, so why
• 1:05:40
  would they be giving him referrals? Right? Oh, he might be experiencing
• 1:05:44
  some negative health outcomes as a result of being a new father. Nope,
• 1:05:47
  post postpartum depression doesn't exist for men, except that it does. Oh,
• 1:05:51
  he might be experiencing nevigive the things as a result of losing his relationship with
• 1:05:56
  his children or his his marriage breaking down. Is there any screening for that?
• 1:06:02
  No, there's no screening. There's no There's no point in a man's
• 1:06:08
  life where anybody in this medical health industry thinks, oh, hey, he
• 1:06:14
  might be going through some shit. Maybe he should be referred to a psychiatrist.
• 1:06:17
  And if he is, God help him. Like if he ends up
• 1:06:20
  with a feminist, one's just gonna blame him for his own problems. But
• 1:06:24
  whatever. But anyway, there's no point. The men are not being recognized
• 1:06:29
  as having issues. That's why they're not being referred, and you're gonna blame
• 1:06:32
  men for that, for a society that simply does not recognize that when men
• 1:06:40
  go through life changes or negative experiences, that they might need assistance of some
• 1:06:46
  kind. And maybe the referrals shouldn't be to therapists, maybe they should be
• 1:06:50
  to I know, men seem to do better with group therapy or alternatively,
• 1:06:58
  therapies that involve actual activities, you know, fishing, building something, going
• 1:07:05
  out and doing something with your friends, stuff like that. But is there
• 1:07:09
  any point in the system where there's any consideration for men going through things in
• 1:07:13
  their life. No, that's why they don't get the referrals, and that
• 1:07:18
  is that are they to blame for that? Well, let's find out.
• 1:07:24
  Maybe I don't know. It sounds like you knowhere is well, yeah,
• 1:07:29
  let's see. Let's see what he says. I don't know. I tried
• 1:07:31
  to light in this section by having like Nate or Yate, uh hate laugh
• 1:07:36
  hate find is hilarious. But yeah, this is a pretty pretty freaking dog.
• 1:07:42
  Well why men don't talk about their mental health? Got some qualitative data
• 1:07:45
  here. I've larned to deal with it. Forty percent don't much to be
• 1:07:46
  a burden on anyone thirty six to embarrass twenty nine negative stigma around that type
• 1:07:50
  of thing twenty The thing that I think combines these two Nate and Yate is
• 1:07:56
  let's say Nate is comfort. It's the absence of chat, and suicide is
• 1:08:00
  the absence of life. So the less we have to overcome, the more
• 1:08:03
  likely ittle O feelmantingless, of course, like so much data. I don't
• 1:08:10
  know. I think this guy has some serious stuff he's not processing. Say
• 1:08:15
  again, what was that I said? I think this man, like,
• 1:08:18
  just judging from what that that sound he just made, I think he has
• 1:08:21
  some serious stuff he's not processing. Hopefully he doesn't have a wife who's like
• 1:08:29
  if he cries, she's disgusted. Yeah, exactly. I was gonna say,
• 1:08:33
  hopefully not somebody who discussed him when he expresses his emotions. But and
• 1:08:39
  also I will say, like for the thing I've learned to deal with.
• 1:08:42
  It is probably another way of saying I don't want to be burdened on other
• 1:08:45
  people, because I think in general that's the reason why men do it,
• 1:08:47
  and they'd rather you think that they're okay because you realizing or them sharing with
• 1:08:56
  you that they don't want to be a burden is actually going to make them
• 1:09:00
  feel as though they're making themselves into a burden. So they're not gonna say
• 1:09:05
  it, Hm sorry, well yes, and I was gonna point that out
• 1:09:11
  too, like this is the so that basically the leading cause is what I've
• 1:09:14
  said multiple times on this show. Men don't want to feel like a burden.
• 1:09:18
  And if men don't, if if the primary thing that men are expressing
• 1:09:26
  about depression, well, depression can make you feel like a burden, right,
• 1:09:32
  and it can make you feel like the solution to you being a burden
• 1:09:35
  is to yeat yourself. Right. So one of the symptoms of depression,
• 1:09:42
  one of the most critical systems of depression, may be feeling like a burden.
• 1:09:46
  Right. What does our society do to men but make them feel like
• 1:09:50
  a burden on everything, like on women? Basically like it, you know
• 1:10:00
  women specifically, Yes, yeah, that's what is the bear meme. If
• 1:10:03
  not that, yeah, men are a burden women, everything is just men
• 1:10:08
  are useless. Men are a burden, right, and that is that is
• 1:10:14
  the primary symptom of depression. So in that sense, our society is inculcating
• 1:10:19
  depression and boys and men by forcing them to feel like a burden through constant
• 1:10:27
  repetition of this and uh yeah, so that. And I remember we listen
• 1:10:34
  to Healthy Gamer and he talked about how feeling like over identifying yourself as the
• 1:10:42
  problem is a symptom is the big symptom of depression, which then leads to
• 1:10:46
  suicide. So our society over identifies men and boys as the problem. What
• 1:10:54
  a surprise they are experiencing depression And he talks about speed running, speed runging
• 1:11:02
  suicide. Well, okay, let's just unpack that men and boys have to
• 1:11:09
  live in a society that is deliberately targeting them with the kind of speech that
• 1:11:17
  causes them to believe that they are a burden, that they are the problem,
• 1:11:23
  which is which is basically depression. We are inculcating depression in men and
• 1:11:28
  boys like we're as a society. We have chosen to do this. This
• 1:11:31
  is this is how we are interacting with men and boys as a society.
• 1:11:36
  Okay, why are men speed running depression because the instant they no longer I
• 1:11:44
  remember I was talking about how the guy who focused on getting the pictures up
• 1:11:48
  instead of recognizing that he didn't like them. When men are no longer able
• 1:11:55
  to focus on their relationships as a source of value for themselves and being able
• 1:12:02
  to serve the people they're with. Then all of that societal messaging just comes
• 1:12:12
  crashing down. You are a burden, and you know, they speed run
• 1:12:19
  the suicide because they have nothing else. Like the thing that was keeping that
• 1:12:26
  tidal wave at bay was their ability to serve the people in their life.
• 1:12:31
  You get what I'm saying, Yes, yea. And once something happens,
• 1:12:35
  maybe they lose a job, maybe they lose a partner, maybe they lose
• 1:12:39
  a kid. Something like that happens, that wall breaks down, the tatal
• 1:12:44
  wave comes through, and then they're gone because they have nothing else because this
• 1:12:50
  society has eroded everything else. All right, let's get back to it.
• 1:13:01
  Yeah, reason for existence. They go stock riving mad. Thankfully, we
• 1:13:06
  do have a secret fifth option. Did we get through before we get into
• 1:13:13
  the secret fIF fifth option which really isn't but the secret fifth option is basically
• 1:13:17
  inventing the map to the oasis that that's going to solve everything when you're lost
• 1:13:24
  in the desert, just imagine the oasis and draw a map to it.
• 1:13:28
  But that that spectrum he made, did you notice that on one side was
• 1:13:34
  kill all men, and then the on the other side was, oh maybe
• 1:13:40
  he Oh, shoot, guys, I'm I might I might dip out.
• 1:13:45
  I might end up leaving because I think we're having a bit of a brown
• 1:13:48
  out. Oh your internet might yeah, might crap out. We'll see,
• 1:13:54
  we'll see, well' seeah, let's uh, let's pray to the uh.
• 1:14:00
  Pray to pray to the goals. Pray to the Saskatchewan Internet goals. Okay,
• 1:14:05
  but I'm pretty sure he has he put up the the spectrum yet.
• 1:14:12
  Maybe it's a little bit later. On one side it had On one side
• 1:14:17
  it had kill all men. On the other side it had if you were
• 1:14:24
  my daughter, I would I might commit athlony. Did you hear that yet?
• 1:14:30
  Oh? No, but I did skip a bit. The algorithm loves
• 1:14:32
  it. Yeah, the albums Yeah, And I think we skipped a little
• 1:14:39
  bit of it. So well, let's see if it Let's see if it
• 1:14:41
  comes up, I'll switch over to that scene, we'll play it. Of
• 1:14:45
  what we learned about understanding the crisis, Firstly, if there is a crisis,
• 1:14:49
  or if there isn't a crisis, it does not hurt to show compassion
• 1:14:53
  towards young men. If anything, it makes life easier for everybody. Empty
• 1:14:57
  is not a finite razorus. It's more like a snowball than what you give
• 1:14:59
  them. Yet, Secondly, we learn that human interactions being replaced by media
• 1:15:02
  interaction at scale that's traveling. Thirdly, because of the fact that the messages
• 1:15:06
  that we receive online are often written by a tiny sliver of the platform's uses,
• 1:15:11
  by people who are highly incentivized to create an outgroup and then dunk on
• 1:15:15
  it, and any alleged evidence of this crazy outgroup, you know, like
• 1:15:18
  a really messed up post, is often just evidence of one crazy person.
• 1:15:23
  This is excuse him that we are saying reflective politically, we'll have the world
• 1:15:26
  all right. I want to pause it there for a second, because this
• 1:15:30
  is why I don't talk about crazy Twitter users that often unless I'm illustrating a
• 1:15:34
  point or an argument, because I'm not going for the outliers, dude,
• 1:15:39
  I'm going right for the academic feminism. These aren't the crazy people on Twitter
• 1:15:48
  or a feminists in the you know, talking about kill all men. This
• 1:15:54
  isn't even like the guy on the street asking women questions about men and hearing
• 1:15:58
  they're retarded ass for responses. This is about people in positions of tremendous power
• 1:16:03
  and influence that like run our media, the media that you claim is actually
• 1:16:08
  just farming for the shareholders. They're actually creating these narratives. Sorry to tell
• 1:16:14
  you this is not. This is again he's he's pretending like, oh,
• 1:16:18
  guys, there's no teams, but then he's constructing teams. And then when
• 1:16:23
  I point out that there is a team, there are sides and that that
• 1:16:27
  it's not it's not like you know, it's like when people say we're in
• 1:16:30
  the midst of a culture war, right, No, there's no culture war.
• 1:16:33
  There are people destroying everything and there are people who are trying to keep
• 1:16:38
  it together. That's not a war. That's like, that's like barbarians you
• 1:16:42
  know, at your at your fortress, and you're just trying to keep them
• 1:16:45
  away. Like that's what it is. And that's what feminism is doing to
• 1:16:49
  men, to women, to relationships, to families, to our government at
• 1:16:56
  writ large, your word, not mine, all over Like that's not that
• 1:17:00
  there's no teams, dude, Like I want to go live in the country
• 1:17:04
  that's run by the patriarchy because this ain't it. You know, maybe I
• 1:17:11
  get like a fair shot, maybe I would be able to own some land
• 1:17:14
  and like start my own business, you know, without having to like navigate
• 1:17:18
  this feminized Maybe black Rock doesn't own all the companies, you know. But
• 1:17:23
  again, he's gonna pretend like this is like I'm gonna bring the book never
• 1:17:27
  before discovered or heard of, nuanced through the conversation by first misrepresenting everybody and
• 1:17:33
  then stepping in and saying, man, you guys got this all wrong.
• 1:17:36
  It's a good thing. I figured it all out and here's the answer,
• 1:17:40
  and it's gonna be something really stupid that we've already covered. But anywhere okay,
• 1:17:45
  well, you know I would have to agree with you. And the
• 1:17:49
  thing is that he doesn't realize that he's already in an extremist position, like
• 1:17:56
  you look at that framework. He's already he's already straw manning the the men's
• 1:18:00
  side of the conversation. He's strong manned the ship out of it. So
• 1:18:03
  now he now that he's constructed. This is what they always do. They
• 1:18:06
  they create a person or they create a an id ideology aside, they build
• 1:18:13
  it, you know, and then they and then they knock it down with
• 1:18:15
  their lodging and they're like, look at how easily defeated. That was I
• 1:18:18
  must be super smart. It's just it's yeah, okay, well here's here's
• 1:18:25
  the big problem. Okay. On one side, we have media, we
• 1:18:30
  have academia, we have NGOs, we have the government, all invested in
• 1:18:35
  a particular narrative, which is men oppressed women and construct society for their own
• 1:18:40
  benefit at the expense of women. Got the United Nations doing that? Yeah,
• 1:18:44
  we got to. It's crazy, crazy, every institution who buys into
• 1:18:49
  this narrative, right, all on one side, all of it. And
• 1:18:58
  then you have a couple of commentators on the internet who are using the algorithm
• 1:19:03
  that is constructed to make money in order to drive hits, and they and
• 1:19:10
  they use controversy to do it, and they're basically just beating off of,
• 1:19:16
  you know, everything on that side. They're not really offering an alternative.
• 1:19:21
  They're just teasing it in order to get like a little bit like to divert
• 1:19:28
  some of the attention. So you have the central belief system and then you
• 1:19:33
  have the central belief systems, series of fools and designated trolls and count and
• 1:19:43
  controlled opposition. Right, these two are not equal. In fact, you
• 1:19:50
  think that there's a spectrum with feminism and Andrew Tait. But they're actually both
• 1:19:58
  on the same side because they both define men in the same way. Right,
• 1:20:05
  the other person, the other group you have not identified all the other
• 1:20:11
  group that is an alternative to the feminist definition of masculinity. I mean,
• 1:20:16
  the only difference that I would say with Andrew Tate is that he takes them
• 1:20:19
  the feminist definition of masculinity, you know, brings out, I guess,
• 1:20:24
  the more positive aspects, the pro social aspects of being a playboy. But
• 1:20:30
  he's still defined in feminist terms like this is this is like a couple episodes
• 1:20:35
  ago, somebody was we were we were responding to someone else who said,
• 1:20:40
  you know, Andrew Tad is a thirteen year old boy's idea of manhood.
• 1:20:43
  Well, he's also a feminist woman's idea of manhood. Like so they're both
• 1:20:47
  there, right, and then who's over here? Who's over here? You
• 1:20:54
  don't even know who's over here, you haven't even looked. But you're not
• 1:21:01
  because you're still in the same framework. You're still in the same framework.
• 1:21:06
  You are still on the sinking ship, and it is sinking. This whole
• 1:21:12
  structure that's based on the idea that men oppress women. That the primary driving
• 1:21:17
  force between the relationship between men and women is oppression. It's sinking, right,
• 1:21:25
  And what's really aggravating when I listen to this guy is that not only
• 1:21:30
  is he not willing to acknowledge that he's within the sinking ship, which is
• 1:21:35
  this extremism which is sinking, but he is encouraging other people to stay in
• 1:21:42
  it. And we're going to see that. Okay, let's keep going.
• 1:21:48
  Young gen Z men are drifting towards the right. Young gen Z women are
• 1:21:51
  drifting towards left. In North America, ast age drifting out, not drifting
• 1:22:00
  towards the right. They're drifting out of politics, except for in South Korea,
• 1:22:04
  where they are going right slightly less fast than women are going left.
• 1:22:10
  Yeah, they went slightly right, so and it is a reaction. But
• 1:22:14
  that's fair, isn't it. So anyway, let's keep going. Yeah,
• 1:22:16
  women are just going completely off the rails, even well I live here in
• 1:22:20
  New Zealand. Next week cover the fact that lots of young men are just
• 1:22:24
  tapping out. They feel disenfranchised. So a lot of young days are just
• 1:22:28
  rejecting institutions, and yeah, plenty of young days are also just rejecting life.
• 1:22:31
  And finally we cover the fact that young men don't want to be in
• 1:22:33
  this predicament. They want guidance, they want structure, they want purpose,
• 1:22:36
  they want clarity. But lots of them feel understandably confused. I mean,
• 1:22:41
  when you're getting so many different competing messages, that is a normal reaction today's
• 1:22:45
  stand age boys, No, what do you mean by competing messages? They're
• 1:22:51
  just getting shpit on. Yeah, that's it, Like literally, they're just
• 1:22:58
  getting shipped on. And then there's entertain who doesn't explicitly shit on them.
• 1:23:04
  Yeah, you know. It's like it's like this, there's a tsunami as
• 1:23:10
  shit being flung at boys, and then there's this one spot, you know,
• 1:23:16
  where a little less shit is being flung at them, and everybody's like,
• 1:23:19
  why are they going over to this spot where there's less shit being flung
• 1:23:23
  at them? Oh, I wonder why, Like you don't. And the
• 1:23:28
  thing is that he's he starts with this incredibly intensely hateful message towards men and
• 1:23:33
  boys. You have no value as men and boys. Not only do you
• 1:23:39
  not have value as men and boys, you have no right to have a
• 1:23:44
  place to earn value as men as boys. Men and boys, that's the
• 1:23:47
  overwhelming message of our society. He goes from that to, oh, there's
• 1:23:53
  all kinds of messages being said. Okay, but really, aren't you mostly
• 1:24:01
  concerned about the really hateful messages towards men and boys? Like what doesn't that
• 1:24:10
  really the overwhelming point here? Like, honestly, if we lived in a
• 1:24:14
  society where women had this much shit thrown at them, wouldn't that be the
• 1:24:17
  point? You know? I mean, because when men were asked do we
• 1:24:25
  need women? None of them are very I think maybe one of them said
• 1:24:29
  no. Everyone else was like, yeah, of course we need women.
• 1:24:32
  When women are asked, no, we don't need men, Actually none of
• 1:24:38
  them said no. One of them said yeah, I think, you know,
• 1:24:42
  because I need some I do the dishes. So he was trolling.
• 1:24:44
  That was the only one that could have been interpreted as negative. But all
• 1:24:46
  of them were like, hell, yeah, we like women because women are
• 1:24:49
  great. And they didn't even think that. They assume. I think a
• 1:24:53
  lot of guys that answered that way honestly, they believe that if women were
• 1:24:57
  asked the same question they would answer the same way. They would have that
• 1:25:00
  much faith that women would be like, yes, of course we need men,
• 1:25:03
  you know, like, how do how else could I be, like
• 1:25:05
  live in the comfortable lifestyle in the first world that I currently have without men.
• 1:25:11
  How is it possible that I could feel safe, you know, in
• 1:25:14
  a first world country, protected by police and firefighters in the military if it
• 1:25:18
  weren't for men. And I'm sure that men were thinking that, Oh yeah,
• 1:25:21
  they would totally say that for us, but they totally didn't. And
• 1:25:25
  a lot of it is women are just like, well, I don't want
• 1:25:28
  to be seen as needing men, so I got to like, you know,
• 1:25:30
  they're basically reacting to a potential reaction from women when they say no,
• 1:25:35
  because they want other women to be like, yeah, you go girls.
• 1:25:39
  So it's like they're trying to like it's actually to other women, you know
• 1:25:43
  what I'm saying, Yeah, I know, they're signaling to other women.
• 1:25:46
  The way of explaining it, our society gives men and boys no sense that
• 1:25:51
  they are valued by women or can earn value from women by any action taken
• 1:25:58
  in this society. So there's no sense that men can be valuable to women
• 1:26:03
  by by doing this, or doing this, or doing a doing this activity
• 1:26:08
  in society, like for example, we talked about manhood in China. I'm
• 1:26:12
  betting that those men in China thought that by doing great cultural deeds they would
• 1:26:17
  get the ladies, you know, they would get the women would appreciate them.
• 1:26:23
  Women would be singing, you know that, using that zither type instrument
• 1:26:28
  and singing their praises and stuff like that. Right, I just don't remember
• 1:26:33
  the name of it. I know that the string instrument you're talking about,
• 1:26:35
  the Chinese one. Yeah, I can't. I can't remember the name of
• 1:26:39
  it. But I was just trying to think of it. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:26:42
  But so in each of these societies there's a sense that if men were
• 1:26:46
  not innately valued, there at least was a clear pathway to being valued by
• 1:26:54
  the society and by women. There is none of that in our society.
• 1:26:59
  There is no recognition that men provide any value, nor that they can as
• 1:27:03
  men earn value. And here's where it sort of comes in with his relationship.
• 1:27:09
  When a man has a woman and she values him, it's sort of
• 1:27:13
  like a shield against that overwhelming message by society. But should he lose her,
• 1:27:20
  then that tsunami hits him full force. And that's probably why in the
• 1:27:26
  event of relationship breakup, or relationship difficulties, men are more likely to commit
• 1:27:31
  suicide. They like she said, they speed run suicide, you know,
• 1:27:35
  And is he going to address that, like any of that. I really
• 1:27:44
  I don't think so. But see, well that tells him that they are
• 1:27:47
  toxic, wrong, broken, unwanted and generally should feel shame for existing.
• 1:27:51
  That's pretty messed up. And so of course it's no surprise they don't really
• 1:27:56
  feel motivated to try. And of course it did. And like those people,
• 1:28:04
  yeah, convicted sex traffickers. So okay, all right, wait what
• 1:28:10
  why are you poisoning the well for people who tell men they matter? I
• 1:28:15
  mean, like if there's a side and that side by the way is like
• 1:28:19
  essentially our entire culture. It's like everything. No, he's been arrested.
• 1:28:27
  I don't know it, Like I don't think there's any been a final verdict.
• 1:28:30
  It doesn't matter. Alison Trump was also convicted of thirty four felonies.
• 1:28:35
  But that doesn't mean that they're guilty of anything. It's just that the systems
• 1:28:39
  don't work. The system doesn't work. But anyway, this guy is saying
• 1:28:45
  that there is an entire industry that makes all of its it flourishes on the
• 1:28:53
  hatred of men that is, that is from social media influencers at the bottom,
• 1:28:59
  you know, feminists just sitting on men, bread tubers, whatever,
• 1:29:01
  all the way up to the fucking United Nations. Okay, I'm sure that
• 1:29:06
  if there was a NASA paper, it would be shitting on men in there
• 1:29:10
  somewhere. If they weren't like astronauts at the top one percent, even then
• 1:29:14
  they'd be like, there probably should be more women astronauts. But the whole
• 1:29:18
  thing is set up this way. And then one guy because apparently the only
• 1:29:23
  guy that seems to exist to him is Andrew Tate, because there are no
• 1:29:27
  other men having this conversation because when he brings us up, it's like,
• 1:29:30
  oh, I guess it's just it's just the sex trafficker. Or it's like
• 1:29:34
  this entire society of man hating institutions, and why are you gonna pick that
• 1:29:41
  guy? And again acting like nothing else exists. What is the purpose of
• 1:29:45
  this? It is poisoning the well. It is essentially to hoist himself up.
• 1:29:48
  Hey guys, why you're listening to this guy. You could be listening
• 1:29:51
  to me. I'm not shitting on you, I'm just shitting on the one
• 1:29:55
  guy in the entire internet that says it's okay to be you. So you
• 1:30:02
  know that's it. I'm just he Yeah, this guy's kind of a piece
• 1:30:08
  of shit, And I'm sorry that your friend like ended his own life.
• 1:30:11
  But have you ever thought to ask yourself, like, how come he didn't
• 1:30:15
  come to you for help? But because maybe you weren't very helpful, Maybe
• 1:30:19
  you weren't putting out a vibe that said, hey, you can talk to
• 1:30:23
  me about your feelings if you're feeling despondent. But no, you wait until
• 1:30:26
  afterwards and you're like, well, I got to save the men from this
• 1:30:30
  man who actually is okay with them. Yeah, but that's the thing.
• 1:30:34
  It's sort of almost worse that he's acknowledging all of the stuff that happens to
• 1:30:41
  men and boys, Like he's recognizing the contempt, the shaming, and that
• 1:30:45
  it's overwhelming, like it's institutional. And but then he says, uh,
• 1:30:51
  the only person who says you matter is like a, well, he's not
• 1:30:55
  a convicted sex track the gir as bar as, I know, but you
• 1:30:58
  know he has this problem. Well, thank god you have this guy to
• 1:31:02
  point to, because God forbid you actually engage in this issue in an honest
• 1:31:10
  way, like you should. You should reach out to Roma Army. I
• 1:31:14
  understand, she invented men's rights activisties exactly, She's got a facilion views on
• 1:31:20
  TikTok to go to her. Let's be honest, Roma would be a better
• 1:31:25
  choice than than Andrew Tate. Well maybe not, but I don't know.
• 1:31:28
  I mean, it's like similar vibes. I don't know. Yeah, I
• 1:31:31
  mean maybe, but the point is at least at least she's somebody else.
• 1:31:35
  At least she's somebody else besides Andrew Tate ultimate man. Yeah, exactly,
• 1:31:42
  like and that that feminism constructed like literally that Andrew Tate invinces all of the
• 1:31:48
  last things that feminism said that defined men that could be passingly pro social.
• 1:31:54
  So he was basically constructed and then also constructed by the media because they chose
• 1:31:59
  to pay attention to him. And this is it. Okay, but let's
• 1:32:02
  see, let's identify. So we've identified what it is that Tait does,
• 1:32:09
  which is say that boys and men have value, right, Okay, so
• 1:32:15
  what is are you going to say that to them? Or what are you
• 1:32:19
  what's your plan? Let's see, let's find out. All right, hold
• 1:32:23
  on, it's probably bad. Progressives and the left especially seem to not want
• 1:32:29
  to acknowledge this, or at least not acknowledge that men might be a group
• 1:32:33
  in need of assistance itself. There's a sort of hesitance to talking about men
• 1:32:40
  as men and then said people want to say, well, we just need
• 1:32:43
  to be good people. But what does that look like specifically, because young
• 1:32:48
  men especially are asking for a specific path. Yes, because young men do
• 1:32:55
  not have inherent worth, we're not willing to recognize that, and we are
• 1:33:00
  also not willing to give them a path to earn worth, which is really
• 1:33:05
  what traditionalism does. At the very least, it gives young men a path
• 1:33:10
  to earn worth. And China did. It gave the Chinese man a path
• 1:33:15
  to earn worth through cultural works and military prowess. You know so, But
• 1:33:20
  we don't have that because if we were to acknowledge that this is the path
• 1:33:27
  through which men earn worth, because they're not going to get it innately,
• 1:33:31
  this is the pathway, then we would have to say that this is not
• 1:33:35
  the pathway through which women earn worth. And nobody wants to do that.
• 1:33:42
  Nobody wants to recognize that actually, men deserve to have their own unique things
• 1:33:48
  that they offer society and recognition of those things, because if you do that,
• 1:33:53
  then you're doing the horrible misogynist thing of excluding women, and you're taking
• 1:33:58
  away the rights, the right to have everything. Right. Okay, let's
• 1:34:01
  see what he has to say. I don't know if he even addresses that
• 1:34:04
  that the problem is this lack of worth, either the lack of inherent worth
• 1:34:10
  or the lack of men and boys having a way to earn worth that's unique
• 1:34:14
  to them. Do you see? Okay, why is it that you are?
• 1:34:33
  Okay? Do you how did Okay? So now we've just completely abandoned
• 1:34:38
  getting bombarded by hatred. So we're just assuming the hatred? Right, do
• 1:34:44
  you see what just happened? Let me look back a little bit. I'm
• 1:34:47
  just gonna play it again. Okay, Yes, we need to analyze this.
• 1:34:55
  There is a secret miss up shit code before chaos? What does that
• 1:34:59
  mean? To a code? Define your own sense of masculinity before getting bombarded
• 1:35:03
  by psychopathy? All right? Stop? See what I'm saying? The secret
• 1:35:09
  fifth option? Where is all the tusunamia hatred? Where is it in this
• 1:35:14
  little clever diagram? Oh? Does it just come from nowhere? Yeah?
• 1:35:17
  Like where Okay, why is it that young men and boys have to define
• 1:35:24
  their own masculinity a task that has stymied philosophers since the beginning of time?
• 1:35:30
  And well, these young men and boys are defining their masculinity. Maybe they
• 1:35:34
  could solve the grand unified theory of everything, you know, like seriously,
• 1:35:41
  and you're asking boys to do the teenage boys? Really no? Like I
• 1:35:48
  mean, yeah, maybe maybe when you're in your sixties, like you can
• 1:35:54
  look back on a life well lived and say, ah, this is the
• 1:35:56
  wisdom that I get. But you know, if you're thirteen year old boy,
• 1:36:02
  isn't that a bit much? Maybe you should just get rid of the
• 1:36:05
  freaking Like why is there no option of yeating the hatred? It's just it's
• 1:36:15
  it is it will Actually, no, here's what I think is actually going
• 1:36:17
  on here. It says code define your own sense of masculinity before chaos getting
• 1:36:26
  bombarded by psychopaths and grifters and simulated pleasure. So psychopaths, I guess meaning
• 1:36:31
  the fringe feminists that hate men online. That makes no I know, but
• 1:36:42
  I'm just I'm just laying out what his case is. So code define your
• 1:36:45
  own sense of masculinity before chaos. Getting bombarded by psychopaths, feminists, grifters,
• 1:36:53
  Andrew Tate and simulated pleasure, video games and porn and drugs. So
• 1:36:58
  that so those are like, those are the outcomes. A man is either
• 1:37:02
  going to find himself bombarded by psychopaths, grifters, or you know, vanishing
• 1:37:08
  and simulated pleasure, and he has to define his masculinity before that happens.
• 1:37:13
  Okay, So the first part of that I agree with, to find your
• 1:37:16
  own sense of masculinity. I think men are trying to do that, and
• 1:37:20
  I'm sorry, like it or hate it. Andrew Taty is one of the
• 1:37:24
  people offering them an option. Because the establishment, the institutions, the education
• 1:37:29
  system, the media, the journalists, et cetera. They offer men nothing
• 1:37:33
  less than nothing. They just tell them they're bad for society. And there's
• 1:37:36
  one guy that says that they're okay, and that is one option, and
• 1:37:41
  he does say, define your own masculinity. Okay, He's obviously not the
• 1:37:45
  only one, but I think that it is important for boys to define their
• 1:37:48
  own sense of masculinity. But we can walk in chew gum at the same
• 1:37:55
  time, so we can also do that while doing something about being bombarded by
• 1:38:00
  psychopaths, at least that because if it weren't for the psychopaths, there wouldn't
• 1:38:08
  be grifters, and there might not be as much simulated pleasure because maybe men
• 1:38:12
  would get their satisfaction from something else if there weren't psychopaths that were acting as
• 1:38:17
  active obstacles to a man's a young man's developmental life cycle. So from the
• 1:38:24
  moment he goes into school, he has to deal with bias, Then he
• 1:38:27
  goes into the workplace, he has to deal with bias. Then in the
• 1:38:30
  dating world he has to deal with biases. And all of these things are
• 1:38:33
  negatively affecting him. And there's a constant like static field miasma of hatred towards
• 1:38:40
  men or general antipathy and disdain that men have to navigate, especially if they're
• 1:38:45
  not people men, which is basically sevens or lower, and they have to
• 1:38:50
  manage to somehow survive that without going to grifters like Andrew Tate, or vanishing
• 1:38:58
  in porn and video games, which of course they're not supposed to do because
• 1:39:00
  they have to remain maintain being like I don't know, producing value, but
• 1:39:06
  we're not encouraging that in them, so we should, as you said,
• 1:39:11
  Allison, do something yeat the chaos. We can do that and also allow
• 1:39:17
  men to define their masculinity or follow a model of masculinity you know that they
• 1:39:23
  prefer. And on top of that, we could also be encouraging women to
• 1:39:28
  follow a sense of femininity and earn something as well, you know, instead
• 1:39:33
  of just giving them shit because they're women. Because that is also part of
• 1:39:38
  this problem, is that women are treated as though they have no work to
• 1:39:42
  do and men have to do all the work to just be seen as men.
• 1:39:46
  So yeah, that's just my two cents. Okay, so my interpretations.
• 1:39:51
  First of all, bombarded by sociopaths. That's not the real problem.
• 1:39:58
  The rad femmes are not the real problem. It's all of the low grade
• 1:40:03
  fever of defining boys and men by oppressing women, which I'm sure this guy
• 1:40:10
  buys into. So he's part of the problem, you know that that has
• 1:40:15
  to go. That is the actual ground zero for the problem. The deconstruction
• 1:40:21
  of men's identity, the deconstruction of their worst to society. I mean,
• 1:40:26
  what happens when you say to a group of people that your primary action in
• 1:40:30
  society is detrimental, burdensome, hateful, borderline criminal. Like this is what
• 1:40:38
  that narrative says to boison men, to boison men, that their actions in
• 1:40:44
  society are bad for women. They're the opposite of earning value from women.
• 1:40:48
  They're taking value from women, right, that whole narrative, it's hateful and
• 1:40:54
  extremist. We don't even talk about their ad fems. The ratfims are amusing.
• 1:41:00
  They're basically like the They're basically like the clown Act at the end of
• 1:41:06
  the of the of the genocide. Like it's like they're they're just the least
• 1:41:14
  of it. They're just they're just laugh at them because they're crazy, and
• 1:41:17
  they're obviously crazy, and everybody understands they're obviously crazy. The real problem is
• 1:41:21
  the crazy stuff that nobody understands is actually crazy, which is men take value
• 1:41:28
  from women and society and have no method to provide provide it back. Well,
• 1:41:34
  I mean, they can get a job and earn money, but now
• 1:41:36
  that's also oppression. But so that that whole structure that men not only don't
• 1:41:43
  have an innate value like women, they have no path to earn value,
• 1:41:46
  but whatever they do is taking value away from men and or sorry, from
• 1:41:50
  women in society. It's turning society into something toxic, and that also masculinity
• 1:41:57
  is toxic without any kind of positive all of that, and it's all seen
• 1:42:00
  as sane and it is a careful extremism that needs to be heated, and
• 1:42:08
  that happens well before anybody encounters a rad fem on Twitter. Like, but
• 1:42:14
  the other thing is that it seems like we're he identifies that that Andrew Tate
• 1:42:19
  tells boys and men that they are worth something, like they have value.
• 1:42:25
  I don't know if he does. I don't listen to him very closely,
• 1:42:29
  no offense. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't, But why isn't that
• 1:42:34
  part of what he's suggesting here, Like let's yat all of this stuff that's
• 1:42:41
  telling like taking young boys and saying, your contribution to society not only doesn't
• 1:42:48
  add value, but takes value away. And also you have no value,
• 1:42:54
  you know, like we get rid of that, we eat that, and
• 1:42:57
  then we also tell them that there is value and there's way to earn it,
• 1:43:00
  Like there's specific things that men do that are valuable to society and it's
• 1:43:05
  specifically men doing them, Like why can't we do that? Why can't we
• 1:43:10
  do what? He says Andrew t is doing, like, where is that
• 1:43:13
  in this? It's like you're basically saying, here's the problem men and boys
• 1:43:19
  or boys are experiencing a whole bunch of hatred and bullshit and you're not even
• 1:43:24
  identifying the true source of it. But at least you're acknowledging it. What
• 1:43:30
  needs to happen, you see, what needs to happen is boys need to
• 1:43:34
  man up and they need to fix this in themselves. So they need to
• 1:43:41
  define a masculinity in complete defiance of everybody in their life. If they don't
• 1:43:46
  have a father, you know, their mother, the women who are teaching
• 1:43:50
  them, the media, the academia, the government. They need to be
• 1:43:55
  stronger than all of that, and they need to define an identity and complete
• 1:44:00
  exclusion to any external factor. What like, that's a that's a big ask.
• 1:44:06
  I'm sorry, Brian. Yeah, boys should be able to define their
• 1:44:11
  own identity, but they should be given the space and the protection to do
• 1:44:16
  so. You know, they shouldn't be Yes, they should have the right
• 1:44:23
  to do that, you know, and absolutely it should be respected, but
• 1:44:29
  we also should be protecting them through that process. Okay, this is there's
• 1:44:35
  no sense of the response. He's offering no sense of the responsibility of anything
• 1:44:41
  external to the boy. Okay, and I know that you know, everybody's
• 1:44:45
  like, wow, men should define themselves, But especially when you're talking about
• 1:44:49
  boys, how are they supposed to even find a space to start in this
• 1:44:57
  much noise and hatred and guilt and shame, Like they're just constant going to
• 1:45:01
  be constantly fighting just to bail water out of the boat, much less actually
• 1:45:06
  getting to the point of creating a positive definition for themselves. So right there,
• 1:45:13
  like this is all just yeah, and it's appealing. I know that
• 1:45:16
  this, this seems like it would be something that would appeal to men and
• 1:45:19
  boys that you know, if they don't need anyone, they can just define
• 1:45:23
  it for themselves. If they need anyone, you know, then that's there's
• 1:45:26
  just somehow cheating or something. And they should be able to define, Like
• 1:45:30
  literally, they should be able to build manhood under a hail of bullets.
• 1:45:33
  That's so cool, but is it really real realistic or alternatively, are you
• 1:45:41
  just constructing if you're going to expect boys to somehow maintain a sense of self
• 1:45:45
  in a hale of bullets, are you just driving them to the only shelter
• 1:45:50
  that they can identify, which is apparently Andrew Tate, who least says you
• 1:45:58
  have value. Right, Okay, well, here's like I said, here's
• 1:46:02
  an idea. Turn off machine guns. Turn off the machine guns. Build
• 1:46:11
  a trench or something, or alternatively, if you can't because you don't control
• 1:46:15
  the machine guns, because we don't, build a trench that they can get
• 1:46:19
  out of the machine guns. And then hey, now that you have a
• 1:46:25
  little bit of a space to think and cogitate and room and safety, go
• 1:46:30
  ahead, figure out who you are. But that doesn't seem to be anywhere
• 1:46:38
  in this Again, it's just ah, yeah, boys need to take responsibility
• 1:46:42
  for all of society hating them and being able to manage to magic up a
• 1:46:45
  positive identity despite it all her like okay, and again I think men are
• 1:46:56
  great and boys are slightly annoying, but they become men, so they're great
• 1:47:00
  too. But at the same time as your people, there's there's limits to
• 1:47:04
  what can be expected from men and boys realistically. All right, I hope
• 1:47:11
  that is not insulting to who to men and boys? Oh no, I
• 1:47:18
  don't think so, all right? And you add a pleasure does vary in
• 1:47:21
  self away see from Jermaine greer human beings have an inalienable right to invent themselves.
• 1:47:27
  When that right is preempted, it is called brainwashing. Then turn off
• 1:47:31
  anyone, Then turn off the hail of shame and guilt. Like you are
• 1:47:39
  completely you have recognized that men are under fire, but you are not suggesting
• 1:47:44
  that they take cover. Instead, you are suggesting they become bulletproof. Sir,
• 1:47:49
  that is bullshit. Okay, you want to be, but if the
• 1:47:57
  chaos gets in before you set your code. Basically, when do you think
• 1:48:02
  boys are exposed to feminism? Say again, when do you think men are
• 1:48:12
  or sorry, boys are first exposed to feminism? When do you think boys
• 1:48:16
  are first exposed to the idea that women have more value than them? Like
• 1:48:27
  that's when this, he says, get in before the chaos. Well when's
• 1:48:30
  that like three two pre natal he quoted Germaine career. So yeah, you're
• 1:48:41
  just you, just you. You basically tuned out as soon as I am,
• 1:48:45
  Like I was a way before that. I knew where this was going
• 1:48:48
  from because it's always the same. Like I said, these people are really
• 1:48:53
  predictable, Like it's always the same, It's always the same shit, you
• 1:48:56
  know, It's like, oh, men, are in trouble and and I
• 1:49:00
  don't want them to. But what's really scary is that they might go to
• 1:49:03
  the scary person direction. I can't have that. So let me quote a
• 1:49:08
  feminist a thumb and then tell them that this one is totally one of the
• 1:49:11
  good ones and you'll be okay. I mean, I don't know, it's
• 1:49:15
  just it. Look, I'm I think we should we keep going if you
• 1:49:20
  want, you want to go to this peak or I'm sure you play through
• 1:49:25
  this. This is a slog. All right, let's get through this.
• 1:49:28
  These New Zealanders, Man square, go back to your shires. Well,
• 1:49:36
  according to that staunch biology taser from season three Community played by Okay Williams playing
• 1:49:46
  in the wild, man got to have a cod This man has got to
• 1:49:49
  have an acronym c O day A. Yes, an easy structure. So
• 1:49:56
  I will not pretend that I have any of the answers, however, Okay,
• 1:50:01
  So it says, compass, where you're going, outlets, what you
• 1:50:05
  do, dream team, who you're with, earned how it feels. Well,
• 1:50:11
  stop you right there, Stop you right there, buddy, You're not
• 1:50:15
  gonna let this sounds like some really common sense ship that any normal man would
• 1:50:18
  do if he had the freedom, especially if he's a young man, and
• 1:50:23
  the ability to form associations with men who are going to support him. Guess
• 1:50:29
  what, that's not allowed in our current time, not easily anyway. It's
• 1:50:33
  not encouraged for sure, isn't that? This is basically the same as what
• 1:50:40
  was it? Lawyer up? Hit the gym? Lift? Yeah, just
• 1:50:45
  lift, bro, Just you know what, you have problems? Just stop
• 1:50:48
  having them? Dude, you're feeling like yourself? Yeah, just don't you
• 1:50:59
  do you feel like a here's more of a burden. You haven't burdened yourself
• 1:51:03
  enough with all this crap. Like, honestly, why don't we just have
• 1:51:09
  somebody tell men and boys, or particularly boys in particular, since we're really
• 1:51:14
  concerned about them and we should be, why don't we have somebody tell boys?
• 1:51:17
  I was just kidding when I said boys are annoying. They're very rambunctious.
• 1:51:24
  That's good, But why don't we tell boys? Why don't we say,
• 1:51:30
  Okay, Andrew Tait is telling boys and men that they have value,
• 1:51:32
  Why don't we just tell boys and men that they have value? Oh?
• 1:51:35
  Right, you can't do that because that means you're excluding women from something women
• 1:51:41
  and girls from something, which is probably why he's not suggesting it because he
• 1:51:45
  can't do it, and also because Andrew Tait does it, so we can't
• 1:51:51
  do what he does because that makes us like him. I'm making this video
• 1:51:58
  because I think I've got a days and shut up asking the rock questions.
• 1:52:00
  And I think that these ares where are you going, what you do,
• 1:52:03
  who you with, how it feels those before getting all right? None of
• 1:52:14
  this. Boys and men are told that they are valueless and that there is
• 1:52:20
  no way that they can earn value, and in fact, that their contributions
• 1:52:25
  to society are a net loss for women. Okay, this is the crap
• 1:52:30
  they're told. And I know there's plenty of men will say, while I'm
• 1:52:34
  a man, I'm an island on to myself, I just I just tough
• 1:52:39
  it out. Well, what about the boys? This is what they're told,
• 1:52:42
  This is what they grow up believing about themselves. Instead of saying,
• 1:52:48
  before you get enticed by somebody who says you have value, like, why
• 1:52:55
  don't we just say that they have value or that they have the means to
• 1:52:58
  earn value unique to men, like instead of just doing this, why don't
• 1:53:04
  we just call out the hatred. Like you see what I'm saying, Brian,
• 1:53:08
  It's like, you know, men and boys exist in a hal of
• 1:53:13
  bullets. Well, why don't we Why don't we call that out? Why
• 1:53:16
  don't we say that's wrong? You know, why don't we just say,
• 1:53:20
  yeah, that we shouldn't be doing that, Like he's he's no. We
• 1:53:26
  Now we need to follow this twelve step plan to dealing with the society that
• 1:53:31
  why should boys have to do this? Like this is being forced by a
• 1:53:39
  society that's promoting hatred of men and boys. Why should they have to do
• 1:53:45
  this? Now, I'm not saying that it's necessarily I mean, obviously we
• 1:53:47
  have to deal with the world that exists until we can turn those machine guns
• 1:53:51
  off. So yeah, dig trenches, learn the discipline to avoid getting sniped.
• 1:53:58
  All that's necessary. But we should never forget that there shouldn't be machine
• 1:54:02
  guns in the first place. There shouldn't be mortar in the first place.
• 1:54:08
  Boys shouldn't be living on enemy behind enemy lines. They should be living in
• 1:54:14
  a world that cherishes them, that doesn't say that they're part of the problem.
• 1:54:19
  You know, they should be living in a world that recognizes the unique
• 1:54:23
  contribution that boys give to the to the world through their risk taking, through
• 1:54:28
  their innovation, through the way that they approach the world. When we need
• 1:54:32
  that as humans, we need boys. That's the messages they should be given,
• 1:54:40
  you know. And I yet, like I said, yes, we
• 1:54:42
  need to make a trench because those people manning the the manning the machine gun
• 1:54:47
  nest, they aren't gonna stop, you know. And they aren't gonna stop
• 1:54:50
  bombing boys and men. They aren't gonna stop. So we do need to
• 1:54:55
  do protective things, and we do need to take action. But like I
• 1:54:58
  said, we should never forget get that this shouldn't be happening in the first
• 1:55:01
  place, and that a society that turns its men and boys into its enemy
• 1:55:08
  does not deserve them. It doesn't deserve their commitment, it doesn't deserve their
• 1:55:13
  investment, it doesn't deserve their loyalty, it doesn't deserve anything from them.
• 1:55:25
  All right, Okay, that's okay. I'm trying not to talk that much
• 1:55:30
  because the A scene switcher will pick me up and it'll switch needlessly. So
• 1:55:38
  yeah, it's okay, it's okay, all right, let's go back to
• 1:55:40
  the video. I think is hopefully, hopefully better applies to masculinity than whatever
• 1:55:48
  the ell is being stepped up in the line. All right, compass elvis.
• 1:55:53
  It's like, what do you frick did? This is exactly the same
• 1:55:58
  as saying, well, men have a suicide crisis, Well, how have
• 1:56:00
  you thought about going to therap or dur Why aren't you guys talk about your
• 1:56:04
  feelings? Why do you want? Why are you killing yourself instead? Do
• 1:56:08
  you just hate women because you just don't want to do things that women do?
• 1:56:12
  Like putting it back on men is exactly what we already do, right,
• 1:56:19
  and and honestly, you just completely just completely jump over the one thing
• 1:56:25
  that Andrew Tate is doing right if he's doing it, which is saying men
• 1:56:30
  and boys have their own inherent value and you need to change that otherwise you're
• 1:56:40
  just gonna get more of the same. He can't be the only one who
• 1:56:43
  says that, Well, yes, I guess he is, because they want
• 1:56:46
  to say that. The only people who say that men and boys have value
• 1:56:51
  are convicted sex offenders. Great, so they can poison that well and they
• 1:56:59
  don't have to wreck this is important. Did you see what I mean?
• 1:57:01
  He's like to go there is to completely dismiss it. You, Yes,
• 1:57:05
  you did see that because you mentioned it yourself. I apologize, Brian,
• 1:57:11
  Sorry, I saw it, I knew it. I got a super chat
• 1:57:15
  or rumble rant. I want to read real quick before it disappears. So,
• 1:57:21
  yeah, it's been kind of quiet. Well there's an old super child
• 1:57:25
  from before too, but Nova fan gave us a dollar thank you, Noba
• 1:57:28
  Fan twenty one and says it's so infuriating. He acts like feminist man hating
• 1:57:32
  propaganda didn't exist throughout all of the twentieth century media until online social media and
• 1:57:38
  take showed up. Yeah, I know, it's like it's like acting like
• 1:57:41
  all this stuff exists in a vacuum and he's noticing it. And I wonder
• 1:57:45
  if he's not just like really new to this and he's just like, Wow,
• 1:57:48
  look at all this woman hatred out here. I better stop it.
• 1:57:51
  Oh, it looks like men have problems. If I address men's problems,
• 1:57:56
  if I if I what is it? If I address women's problem but disguise
• 1:58:03
  it as my own cooking as men's problems, then then people will listen to
• 1:58:08
  me and I will be successful in my ultimate goal, which is essentially looking
• 1:58:12
  out for women. Yep, because that's the only thing that's not happening.
• 1:58:17
  Truthless you you slide devil m hm sly, it's like it's like the steam
• 1:58:26
  Hams thing, but it's like hiding. It's like turning, you know,
• 1:58:31
  like hiding feminist activism in caring about men and also stopping men from following Tate.
• 1:58:39
  I guess so all right anyway, well, honestly, I don't think
• 1:58:42
  it's stopping men from following Tate. It's stopping men from recognizing that their desire
• 1:58:46
  to have value or a system of earning it, a clear system of earning
• 1:58:50
  it is legitimate, like literally, like I think that's the payload. Andrew
• 1:58:57
  Tate says that men and boys are have value. Oh he but he's he's
• 1:59:01
  this awful, horrible, ultimate, ultimate monster thing. So so let's let's
• 1:59:06
  let's not have to deal with that, because that's really that's really the problem.
• 1:59:12
  Like I think that's the big the big sticking point is can you say
• 1:59:18
  that men and boys have their own value, either they have it or they
• 1:59:24
  have their own way of their own way, unique to them, their own
• 1:59:28
  value proposition that only they have. Can you say that? And if you
• 1:59:34
  can't say that, you're not part of the solution. And he doesn't want
• 1:59:40
  to recognize that because he's not I don't think he's capable of doing it.
• 1:59:45
  Okay, let's keep going, all right, and let's guy throw them say
• 1:59:54
  compass. First question is where you going? What direction? Roughly? Do
• 1:59:58
  you want you a lot to be headed this? It feels like do you
• 2:00:00
  remember that corporate website that we went through about talking to boys? Does this
• 2:00:06
  not feel like this? Yeah? Yeah, maybe that's where Maybe that's where
• 2:00:15
  he's getting his info and he's sort of repackaging it. I just had that
• 2:00:18
  feeling wash over me. And basically this is this is boys. Don't go
• 2:00:25
  to people who think, who say that you have any kind of inherent value,
• 2:00:28
  continue to believe that you have to do more work and and nobody else
• 2:00:33
  has to do anything, not even stop the relentless tale of hatred. Okay,
• 2:00:42
  all right? The only thing And sometimes questions I have to come useless
• 2:00:45
  because they're more intimidating than they were alternatively maps of meaning no, you can't
• 2:00:51
  do that. That's Jordan Peterson. He's basically the same as the entertained.
• 2:00:56
  They are identical. Essentially, do you want to call in life? So,
• 2:01:01
  Frankie, is the need to have a specific answer, but a general
• 2:01:06
  answer. Yeah, I'm roughly headed north. I think kind of takes that
• 2:01:11
  pressure off. When I think about this, I sort of imagine that I
• 2:01:14
  am on a bicycle riding through the desert trying to follow a north Star.
• 2:01:17
  In that scenario, there's no pressure to perfect to die. They want to
• 2:01:26
  die. Don't do that. Do not go into a wilderness area just with
• 2:01:30
  a vague direction. Freaking good lord. No, I'm just saying, just
• 2:01:36
  just psa, don't do this thing. That's insane. People need to respect
• 2:01:43
  mother nature a lot more than they do. You're still there, Brian,
• 2:01:47
  Yeah, I'm just yeah, I'm just looking at the chat and waiting.
• 2:01:53
  Shall we continue? Guys, send in a super chow. This is getting
• 2:01:56
  a little eerie. I mean, surely you like this topic, So go
• 2:01:59
  to feed the badger. Com slash just the tip and tell us what you
• 2:02:00
  think. Wait, actually, I will check and make sure that nothing is
• 2:02:05
  hitting the uh like a barrier, some kind like a barrier like I want
• 2:02:12
  to make sure that there's there's no further clydes that are hitting the electric fence.
• 2:02:20
  I'm sorry, guys, I don't even know why that happened. Let
• 2:02:26
  me see nope, nope, So you guys send in those super chows because
• 2:02:30
  it should be fine com slash just the tip no that we we we should
• 2:02:36
  read that one. Actually, you know what, I'm gonna read that one
• 2:02:39
  because because the guy Clyde sent also sent the superchow in, apparently we missed
• 2:02:46
  it, and it's a fairly substantial one. So calling himself feedor Ivanovitch du
• 2:02:53
  Clova tucklove giving us fifty dollars last month or actually a coupleths ago. I
• 2:03:00
  know people consider me a bad man. Let them. I don't care a
• 2:03:02
  straw about anyone but those I love. But those I love I love so
• 2:03:06
  that I would give my life for them, and the others i'd throttle if
• 2:03:10
  you if they stood in my way. I have an adored, a priceless
• 2:03:13
  mother, and two or three friends you among them. And as for the
• 2:03:15
  rest, I only care about them in so far as they are harmful and
• 2:03:18
  useful, and most of them are harmful, especially the women. Yes,
• 2:03:23
  dear boy, I have met loving, noble, high minded men, but
• 2:03:26
  I have not yet met any woman, countess or cooks who are not venal.
• 2:03:30
  I have not yet met that divine purity and devotion I look for in
• 2:03:33
  women. If I have found such as one, I would give my life
• 2:03:36
  for her, But those gestures and contempt. And believe me, if I
• 2:03:40
  still value my life, it is only because I still hope to meet such
• 2:03:43
  a divine creature who will regenerate, priorify and elevate me. You but you
• 2:03:47
  don't understand it. I believe that's probably a quote from War and Peace.
• 2:03:57
  That makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, okay, all
• 2:04:02
  right, let's get back to this. I guess I'm going to get myself
• 2:04:06
  a glass of water. This is going and I'm talking a lot. Yeah,
• 2:04:10
  I'm going to play some more of this and just be quiet. Takes
• 2:04:13
  out that barrier to entry. And also, because it's a bisclere, every
• 2:04:16
  bit of movement counts. It doesn't matter if you're peddling super fast or it
• 2:04:18
  just kind of relaxed, as long as you're not doing nothing do I for
• 2:04:23
  So, if you are looking for an actionable here or an example, I
• 2:04:26
  think one helpful way to think about this would be in categories categories of life,
• 2:04:30
  you know, health, money, work, whatever happens today. Use
• 2:04:32
  myself as an example here. So sobriety that used to be a big north
• 2:04:36
  Star. But when I thought about it as it's either one or the other,
• 2:04:40
  I could never really make progress because if I slipped up, I'm like
• 2:04:44
  and the worst. But when I started thinking about it as a compass,
• 2:04:46
  like I'm headed towards sobriety, I'm headed away from addiction, then I knew
• 2:04:50
  that if I slipped up, it didn't mean that I had to give up.
• 2:04:53
  It just meant that I had to course correct and keep making progress.
• 2:04:57
  So yeah, comp Okay, again, I don't see how this is unique
• 2:05:04
  or crazy, but I mean, these are all is it? This is
• 2:05:08
  gonna be really obvious. I don't know if I's not obvious. Okay,
• 2:05:13
  I'm going to say something. We're talking about a society that denies any unique
• 2:05:17
  value to men and boys, either inherently or giving them some means by which
• 2:05:20
  to develop some kind of unique value position. So how does anything any of
• 2:05:27
  this actually do that. The answer is it doesn't so far. It's just
• 2:05:31
  generic life advice that you give to like a sixteen year old who has to
• 2:05:34
  fill out a letter to apply to a college. I want to. I
• 2:05:41
  want to. I want to navigate my boy at boot by the north Star.
• 2:05:45
  You know, it's crap like that, Like it's all generic. Is
• 2:05:49
  this any different than what you'd say to a girl? So how does this
• 2:05:54
  help boys need to develop a unique value proposition? Answers? It doesn't so
• 2:06:00
  far. See if there's anything else, like, is any of this unique
• 2:06:04
  to go? And that's the thing. He does not want to recognize anything
• 2:06:09
  unique to men and boys, So he's not actually answering answering the issue.
• 2:06:15
  I mean, even though he doesn't want to recognize anything unique to men and
• 2:06:18
  boys, society sure as hell wants to make men and boys feel like they
• 2:06:23
  are worthless. You know that they drain worth from society. All right,
• 2:06:31
  let's keep going, yes ha haha. Oh, he's for outlets to understand
• 2:06:38
  outlets. Let's have a look at outbursts. He is one of my favorite
• 2:06:41
  phrases, idle hands of the devil's plaything. If you do not give yourself
• 2:06:44
  a task, the bad things in you will find a task, and it
• 2:06:46
  want to be pretty. For this, I'd like to imagine that some of
• 2:06:49
  the less than desirable traits within me little devils man, and I have to
• 2:06:54
  be busy in order to use them, otherwise they will use me. So
• 2:06:58
  risk taking adrenaline junkie is something very close to home. This has the potential
• 2:07:01
  to be quite dangerous. If we do nothing about this trait, it'll find
• 2:07:04
  a way to manifest. If your hands are idle, then I yeah,
• 2:07:08
  you might find the outburst comes in the form of reckless, drugged up driving.
• 2:07:12
  I personally did. I yeah, awful, But also idle hands could
• 2:07:17
  be engaged hands. So putting this trait to work might see you get into
• 2:07:23
  skating, climbing, surfing. This stuff might seem kind of obvious, but
• 2:07:26
  I think the reason that I wanted to include it was back to Christine Emma.
• 2:07:29
  She was saying that a lot of the men that she's interviewed feel as
• 2:07:30
  though they are constantly bombarded by messages of what they shouldn't do, Like you
• 2:07:34
  have this trait, well, definitely don't do this as opposed to messages of
• 2:07:39
  what you can do. So if, for example, you're a bit of
• 2:07:41
  a COMI were the messages coming from? Who's telling men what they that they
• 2:07:45
  shouldn't be doing? Shit? And how is it that boys need to be
• 2:07:53
  told what they can do when they're supposed to be what did Jermaine Greer say?
• 2:07:58
  You should be able to define yourself off. I mean within the ground,
• 2:08:03
  within the realm of not doing anything illegal. Right, you should have
• 2:08:09
  the right to define who you are. And so it's interesting how he's now
• 2:08:16
  talking. He's not talking about what is unique about men and boys and the
• 2:08:20
  value, the unique value that men and boys offer. He's now talking about
• 2:08:24
  what they should and shouldn't do. Basically, Okay, I also claiming to
• 2:08:31
  be against that thing. So interesting, interesting that and fascinating. Enjoy a
• 2:08:39
  little bit. Eh, I get told don't do that in social situations,
• 2:08:43
  and that would be good advice, But it's only so helpful to be told
• 2:08:46
  what not today. What you can do with those sorts of traits is become
• 2:08:50
  a brilliant fricking journalist. Oh my god, we need them, we need
• 2:08:54
  them. Aggress it defliably right. If you ignore it, if you ignore
• 2:09:03
  the fact that you might have that freaking file, you might find you stop
• 2:09:05
  punching people and punching walls. But if instead of ignoring it, we chatt
• 2:09:11
  it, and that excess energy my annual freaking black belt dude, this is
• 2:09:15
  a specific devil. But okay, right, no, it's really it does
• 2:09:20
  sort of have that feeling, don't you think of that, that PSA that
• 2:09:24
  we went through for boys. Yeah, but I mean it assumes that,
• 2:09:28
  like boys are just gonna punch people in the face, like just randomly.
• 2:09:33
  I'm sorry, but they're not in Antifa. They're just mostly just regular kids.
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  Maybe stop encouraging women to encourage men to punch other men on behalf of
• 2:09:43
  women. Maybe wait, wait, we can do something about that. And
• 2:09:46
  I don't know, this stuff is really obvious. I can't really say anything
• 2:09:50
  to it because it's just really obvious. Shit Like, oh, you you
• 2:09:52
  feel aggressive, Well maybe you should go to the gym. Oh wow,
• 2:09:56
  what a crazy idea that I never thought of before. Well, and again,
• 2:10:00
  we're talking about trying to I mean, let's bring it back to brass
• 2:10:03
  tacks. We're talking about a society that expresses that men are worthless basically,
• 2:10:09
  And does any of this actually counter that message? No? No, it
• 2:10:15
  just offers men a way to like distract themselves without destroying themselves. But it
• 2:10:20
  doesn't solve anything, Like it doesn't. And again, like he has a
• 2:10:24
  partner, Like, I mean, really we should we should see what happens
• 2:10:28
  when and if they get divorced right or break up? He has a partner.
• 2:10:35
  So he has somebody who's telling him that he's, at least by her
• 2:10:39
  presence, that he has value to a woman, to someone else. Right,
• 2:10:43
  what happens when that's taken away for him? You're gonna wonder about that
• 2:10:48
  guy he has his friend that commits suicide. What was the circumstance? Was
• 2:10:52
  it? Because he lives in a society that says that men have no value
• 2:10:54
  specifically to women but also to society, and that he was in a relationship
• 2:11:00
  it went south or it was really bad. He lost that sense of value,
• 2:11:05
  and then he was left with the tsunami of all of the negativity of
• 2:11:09
  all the messaging in society which he may not even have consciously but have internalized
• 2:11:16
  that he is valueless and he's just a burden. Right, So what happens
• 2:11:20
  to this guy if he loses his shield, which is his wife or partner?
• 2:11:26
  Okay, And nothing he's saying is solving that problem, you know,
• 2:11:33
  and you know, just recognizing that men earn value for society, like through
• 2:11:39
  using the Chinese example, the cultural achievements, that is a shield against that
• 2:11:46
  sense of worthlessness even if there isn't a woman in your life. Right,
• 2:11:52
  the recognition that you are valued for your contributions for some other way, that
• 2:11:58
  you're not a society. But where is that in all of this that that
• 2:12:05
  specifically needs is what needs to be countered, And I need to I need
• 2:12:09
  to get this out because this is the problem. He is saying, Okay,
• 2:12:15
  this is the problem, but he's not actually offering any solutions for the
• 2:12:18
  problem. He's the problem is a society that says that men and boys are
• 2:12:22
  worthless. Okay, The solution is for men and boys not to take that
• 2:12:28
  message, is to manage that message in them. Not. The solution is
• 2:12:33
  for us to stop saying that and to start thinking about how men are valuable
• 2:12:39
  and boys are valuable. No, that's not the solution. The solution is
• 2:12:45
  for men and boys to accept that situation and manage the negative fallout of that.
• 2:12:54
  See what I'm saying, Like he's this, none of this is actually
• 2:12:58
  addressing the problem. It's it's saying this is the problem, but actually it's
• 2:13:01
  men. It's men and boys' response to the problem that's the problem. Okay,
• 2:13:07
  yep, yep, that's what it is. That So I'm saying,
• 2:13:11
  it's the same old song. Should I play some more of this? Yes?
• 2:13:16
  I'm happy I have water. I also think it's probably one that a
• 2:13:20
  lot of less know, self destructive, compulsive, prone to getting tunnel vision
• 2:13:24
  around points, you know, number go up. If it's used against you,
• 2:13:28
  this might look like turning you into prey for the gambling industry or for
• 2:13:31
  crypto pints. We've all seen this happen obviously. You know that Robin Hood
• 2:13:35
  Wall Street bet dround and I think that something as high as ninety percent of
• 2:13:37
  the people who've got preyed upon were men. Now that's used against you,
• 2:13:45
  is used by you got freaking ice bars and endurance sports. There is self
• 2:13:48
  destruction in there, there is number go up in there, there's tunnel vision,
• 2:13:52
  there's a I don't know, self respect. I'm aware that no actual
• 2:13:56
  recognition of the problem. None. What's so for? Just yep, this
• 2:14:01
  is a problem, But what's the real problem. What we're gonna focus on
• 2:14:05
  in the problem is men's response to the problem as the problem. Okay,
• 2:14:15
  I don't think it's gonna get better than this. I think he's I wonder
• 2:14:26
  if he's he's cribbing from home math with this stuff, or maybe he was
• 2:14:28
  just one of the original ones who did this. Okay, outlets, something
• 2:14:33
  for your body, take great pencia of sweat to the great pancia. So,
• 2:14:37
  I don't know, do exercise, something that facilitates mastery, competence,
• 2:14:41
  to side quest, potential career, something for your mind, Please love yourself.
• 2:14:48
  Okay, again, you're asking boys to be equivalent to the Buddha.
• 2:14:54
  No, it's not gonna work. Again, the problem is a society,
• 2:15:00
  like we started with with the whole thing about what society is telling men and
• 2:15:03
  boys you're worthless? Right, And now we're at here, and yeah,
• 2:15:09
  sure men and boys should follow these things. They should like do things for
• 2:15:13
  themselves like this. But at the same time as you need to deal with
• 2:15:20
  the actual problem, you see what I'm saying. Yeah, And maybe the
• 2:15:26
  way that you deal with the actual problem is give someone high profile who cares
• 2:15:31
  about men and boys and is an Andrew Tait? Who could that be?
• 2:15:35
  I don't know, Peterson? No, okay, he's just as bad,
• 2:15:43
  good lord? Yeah, okay, cool, running illustration? Gently? Is
• 2:15:48
  any of this different? Is this? Is this any any of this different
• 2:15:52
  than what you'd say to a girl? Really channel I don't know, less
• 2:16:01
  than desirable trait. Then a simple exercise will be thinking about the last time
• 2:16:05
  that you felt shame or last time you had an outburst, and then trying
• 2:16:07
  to understand what trait or what thing inside you might have caused that, and
• 2:16:11
  how that fire could be turned into fuel. Here's a few examples, just
• 2:16:16
  trait to outlet. So yeah, what you do? All right, let's
• 2:16:20
  look at the next letter D dream team. Here's a fun stat it's not
• 2:16:26
  fun. Forty nine percent of men feel more depressed than they admit to people
• 2:16:31
  in their life. And in nineteen ninety here I was born roughly three.
• 2:16:37
  Interesting, Well, look at his dream team. I don't think there's a
• 2:16:41
  single man on it. Let's find out. Let's see if maybe i'll go
• 2:16:48
  into detail a little bit. Those friends now and I swear it's not my
• 2:16:52
  phone. Listen to this, listeners, Okay, One in five fathers don't
• 2:16:58
  live with his children. In twenty fourteen, more young men we're living or
• 2:17:01
  young men we're living with their parents than with a wife or a partner.
• 2:17:03
  Apparently, even many men who are married are not ideal mates. Wives or
• 2:17:07
  twice as likely to initiate divorces as husbands. Must be men's fault. Must
• 2:17:13
  be men's fault, because women is perfect. Well, hey, maybe that's
• 2:17:18
  the thing. Maybe that's the thing you could give men. Women are so
• 2:17:22
  perfect that men actually have to strive to achieve to feel like they are capable
• 2:17:28
  of being equal to women. Men. We could give that to men,
• 2:17:31
  the fallout of being so imperfect relative to women. Okay, all right,
• 2:17:43
  Dame the sand. But yeah, can't left alone. You gotta have people
• 2:17:46
  that you gotta be able to feel to you, especially interaction. It's like
• 2:17:48
  oxygen man, anyone that you would feel comfortable admitting at least a few problems
• 2:17:52
  to you. I think that who in your life you would be emotionally honest
• 2:17:54
  to you emuchally vulnerable to you think that one of those women have a mask
• 2:17:58
  on? Are you freaking kidding me? Okay, no, okay, so
• 2:18:05
  like what No, those are all women as far as I can tell,
• 2:18:09
  Yeah, it looks like it looks like it. His entire dream team is
• 2:18:13
  a harrible women. What a surprise. Oh he's he actually tells you who
• 2:18:18
  they are. Let's play Let's play it again. Maybe there's a transsexual there.
• 2:18:31
  Is It quite common for men in New Zealand to have Karen haircuts.
• 2:18:37
  I don't know, Maybe it's just a bad drawing. Yeah, it could
• 2:18:39
  be just a bad drawn Why does the one have a freaking mask on?
• 2:18:43
  Okay? Weird? All right, well maybe those two are men. Perhaps
• 2:18:50
  that mates, but it's Australia, so who knows, yeah, who knows?
• 2:18:54
  Might be women. Okay, all right, there's only a little left.
• 2:18:58
  We can get through this. Well, I find to be a million
• 2:19:01
  times better than just messaging. I believe the term is synchronous conversation, like
• 2:19:05
  when you are both sharing the same timeline. That's when you get all those
• 2:19:16
  that's pne Brown quite too easier, mind, that's kind of what she does
• 2:19:20
  so well. Social media has given us this idea that we should all have
• 2:19:22
  a positive friends, when in reality, if we have one or two really
• 2:19:26
  good friends, we are lucky. Lucky man. If you can't think of
• 2:19:30
  anybody that you would talk, oh god, you know, you know guys,
• 2:19:35
  you lonely, just get friends? Have you ever thought about that?
• 2:19:41
  This guy's got really like bleeding edge commentary and advice. You know, do
• 2:19:48
  do healthy things, don't be violent, try not to get addicted to drugs
• 2:19:52
  or gambling, and make some friends. Wow, what a mind blowing concept.
• 2:19:58
  This, this It took us? How long to get through this twenty
• 2:20:01
  five minutes almost well, I'm enlightened. I can't wait to share this with
• 2:20:05
  my friends, tell the Hey, did you guys ever consider not being addicted
• 2:20:09
  to alcohol, gambling, or drugs or porn and maybe instead like walking and
• 2:20:16
  getting some sun and making friends and maybe just being a better person than the
• 2:20:20
  piece of shit you are. Now I just want to point out, like,
• 2:20:24
  again, let's go back to the beginning. Can you go back to
• 2:20:26
  the beginning? Like, wait, let's just before we do that check?
• 2:20:30
  No, no, I don't know. This is just the role models.
• 2:20:33
  I okay, fine, we'll finish it. Finish it, Okay, I
• 2:20:39
  don't I'll keep my freaking oh. If there's just nobody in your life to
• 2:20:43
  fill that role es, Firstly, I'm so sorry that's gonna be so freaking
• 2:20:46
  isolating, especially because most people can't, you know, for talk therapy,
• 2:20:48
  or some people will find it doesn't even work. So if you are in
• 2:20:52
  that camp, I don't know what the next move would be, like working
• 2:20:56
  on yourself? All right, next move? How about this? No mean
• 2:21:01
  to to my own horm This really isn't. But if you are in that
• 2:21:05
  situation. Badger Nation dot online at least you can come and chat with us
• 2:21:09
  really and me, maybe also Brian when he's doing his jojo streams. So
• 2:21:15
  badger Nation dot Online we got people there. They'll say hi. They have
• 2:21:20
  similar issues that they're dealing with, and they have similar like things that they
• 2:21:24
  enjoy. So if you are feeling lonely, just come and hang out there
• 2:21:31
  if that's If that's something you need, just just putting it out there.
• 2:21:35
  We also do a lot of the resources for the show in Badger Nation Badgination
• 2:21:39
  dot online. So if you've ever wanted to get any of the the sources,
• 2:21:45
  they're there. It's easier for me to put them there. And uh
• 2:21:50
  and yeah, if you want to help out getting sources or or suggesting new
• 2:21:54
  ideas to to cover, that's the best way to do it. Again,
• 2:21:58
  that's badger Nation dot Online. You don't have to be alone, you don't
• 2:22:01
  have to even say anything. You can just pop in and lurk and just
• 2:22:03
  know that there's people and activity happening, and we do care about men and
• 2:22:09
  we think that they should be valued. So there you go. We're all
• 2:22:13
  we're like, we're just like Andrew Tate. Okay, all right, all
• 2:22:26
  right, so okay, I think this is to think that you important.
• 2:22:35
  Isn't that so talleic creatiquiet? Evens have voids and you need to fill voids.
• 2:22:39
  I didn't have a dad to feel that malvoid. So can I look
• 2:22:43
  at some of these role models really quick? All right, I'm not gonna
• 2:22:46
  be able to play because of the auto change thing. But it's like RuPaul
• 2:22:52
  uh fucking Anthony Bourdain, Kermit the frog. Okay, it's no easy green.
• 2:23:00
  Oh no, it's the puppeteer, the guy, yeah, Jim Henson,
• 2:23:05
  h the guy from Andre whatever. I don't know, Yeah, I
• 2:23:13
  don't know. Whatever. I think he's just being cheeky by putting these like
• 2:23:16
  random people's faces. But again I don't know. It's is obvious shit,
• 2:23:20
  Like I don't know what to say. It's just obvious shit to me.
• 2:23:24
  So it's not deep. It's not deep. And the thing is there are
• 2:23:30
  people still saying like there are people online, mostly feminist women, telling men
• 2:23:35
  who they can and cannot have as a role model, while also tearing down
• 2:23:39
  their role models and replacing them with their own role models, which are not
• 2:23:43
  even really great about. Like do you know about the female basketball player that's
• 2:23:48
  really popular right now? What's her name again, Kately Clark. Kately Clark
• 2:23:52
  is like putting the WNBA on the map, and the women hate her.
• 2:23:58
  And she is literally like what a female role model, like a female athletic
• 2:24:05
  role model, should be. She is all of those things. She's good
• 2:24:07
  at what she does. She makes people want to watch people play girls play
• 2:24:11
  basketball, which is crazy, and she's good at it. And she's a
• 2:24:15
  team player. She's got like sportsmanship and shit, so at least compared to
• 2:24:22
  the other women on the WNBA. And but my point is not that I'm
• 2:24:26
  not putting her on a platform. My point is she is a role model
• 2:24:31
  that you would think is some that women would like. But they hate her.
• 2:24:37
  They are jealous of her. It's like a very hostile environment on the
• 2:24:41
  WNBA if you're Caiton Clark. Which is funny because it just shows that I
• 2:24:45
  don't know what the idea of a role model for men and a role model
• 2:24:50
  for women seem to be very different things. Women have role models like Corla
• 2:24:54
  Deville and Maleficent and you know, uh, Frozen and Jezebel and Lilith.
• 2:25:03
  Those are their role models, right Hillary Clinton? Men, they they they
• 2:25:11
  like to see, you know, they like, I don't know, like
• 2:25:13
  guys are excellent at what they do. You know, Haya Miyazaki or or
• 2:25:20
  Michael Jordan. When I was growing up, he was like quintessential, like
• 2:25:24
  everybody wanted to be like Mike. He made a song about it. But
• 2:25:30
  anyway, should I finishing off? All right, we'll finish off. I
• 2:25:35
  just switched freaking seeing Dave Chappelle. That's where I'm gravitated to. Was just
• 2:25:41
  asking yourself, who do you admire and what? So here I got you
• 2:25:43
  out what you mentally ate. Obviously looking at all days, paval, not
• 2:25:48
  every single thing about every single one you like Dave Chappelle. Yeah, Dave
• 2:25:52
  Chappelle's okay, mm hmm. He's funny, He's got some shit he's gotta
• 2:25:58
  like rustle with, but he's okay. Yeah, But they all inspire me
• 2:26:05
  in some sort of way. Finally we get to e earned, not expected.
• 2:26:11
  Yeah, this is how it feels. If I ever had to disteal
• 2:26:13
  everything that I have ever learned ever into one piece of actionable advice about life,
• 2:26:18
  it would be this, earn your own self respect. Act in a
• 2:26:20
  way that does that. There are plenty of metrics we can chase in life,
• 2:26:24
  you know, money, followers, records. But underneath all of that,
• 2:26:26
  I found that the one metric that dictates how I feel about it all
• 2:26:30
  is how I feel about me. Do I act like someone I would respect?
• 2:26:33
  Life's good? But making a decision like do I really want to talk
• 2:26:35
  about masculinity on the internet even though it's so like spicy? Well, which
• 2:26:39
  answer would lead to more self respect? I am going to respect myself for
• 2:26:43
  making this video. So Okay for you, good for you. I don't
• 2:26:50
  think you really put your neck out there that much. But all right,
• 2:26:54
  sure, yeah, let's go. Let's go back to the beginning because this
• 2:26:56
  is the actual problem. Let's remind ourselves what the problem is now that we've
• 2:27:01
  gone through his whole solution finally, not the beginning of the beginning, but
• 2:27:05
  where he shows all the ship that men have to deal with. Ok,
• 2:27:09
  here we go. It must be so hot to be young right now?
• 2:27:15
  Full stop? Why are men and boys struggling? And what should we do
• 2:27:18
  about Itulo left want to define traditional masculinity as toxic. We need men for
• 2:27:28
  times life way to kill themselves, sexist, rapist piece of shit. Well
• 2:27:35
  it's worse, like he's really soft pedaling it like it's it's much worse than
• 2:27:41
  that there is. Again, the problem is that we live in a society
• 2:27:48
  in which we cannot recognize any unique contribution that men and boys give to society
• 2:27:52
  in any legitimate context. And we by legitimate I mean academic, school media,
• 2:28:00
  that kind of thing, any kind of institutional context. We cannot recognize
• 2:28:05
  that men bring something to the table just by being men, right, and
• 2:28:09
  that means that boys, men and boys or boys are raised in a culture
• 2:28:15
  where they are told these things that they are worthless and they offer nothing,
• 2:28:18
  that they have nothing of value for women. And they need to know where
• 2:28:26
  they are looking for, what their purpose is, who they are, how
• 2:28:31
  they gain a value proposition in our society. And that is the problem.
• 2:28:37
  And his solution is not to get society maybe say well, maybe our society
• 2:28:45
  shouldn't be saying that boys and men are worthless. You know, his solution
• 2:28:50
  is apparently well, first of all, it basically is no different than what
• 2:28:56
  you'd say to a girl. So it's not developing a unique value proposition for
• 2:28:58
  men and boys. But it's also just putting the onus back on boys.
• 2:29:05
  They need to develop a positive sense of self in under fire without recognizing that
• 2:29:13
  society has no right to be doing this in the first place, and that
• 2:29:18
  they deserve some kind of sense of value, some kind of at least a
• 2:29:22
  sense of how to develop value, and that other societies have successfully explained this
• 2:29:26
  to their boys and men, and they have been successful societies like Chinese society
• 2:29:33
  is actually pretty successful on the whole. Right, But that none of what
• 2:29:37
  he's saying actually solves the problem. It doesn't even really address it. It
• 2:29:43
  actually basically says, well, this is the problem, but the real problem
• 2:29:46
  is men's response to the problem. Men and boys response to the problem.
• 2:29:50
  So we're going to solve that. No, that's not how it works.
• 2:29:56
  First of all, one, our society isn't the wrong. It doesn't matter
• 2:30:03
  how many people say it's right, how many people do it, how many
• 2:30:05
  women agree with it, that doesn't matter. It is absolutely one hundred percent
• 2:30:11
  wrong to say that men have no unique value proposition, especially when we rely
• 2:30:16
  on it to keep the lights on right. That is one hundred percent wrong.
• 2:30:20
  It is one hundred percent wrong to say that boys have no value,
• 2:30:22
  okay, especially when they're going to grow up to most likely be the men
• 2:30:26
  who keep the lights on right. That is wrong. That is not something
• 2:30:31
  a society has the right to do. Right, they are our society is
• 2:30:37
  at war with its own men, in the masculinity of its own men.
• 2:30:41
  Okay, fine, and we gotta make We want to make a space where
• 2:30:46
  that war isn't, where they aren't being shelled, where they aren't being shot.
• 2:30:50
  And then when we have that space, then they can start, boys
• 2:30:56
  can start developing a positive sense of self once they're out of the life line
• 2:31:00
  of fire. And it is not a failure of men or boys if they
• 2:31:03
  need to get out of the line of fire in order to develop a positive
• 2:31:07
  sense of self. Like, seriously, this is ridiculous. And finally,
• 2:31:11
  this man has a sense of value because he has a female partner. He
• 2:31:18
  has someone he knows that he is at least part somewhat because of her presence
• 2:31:22
  in his life. He is valued by a woman. The real test of
• 2:31:28
  everything that he's gone through and all of the wisdom and the coping skills is
• 2:31:33
  when he loses her. Now, I don't want him to lose his partner
• 2:31:39
  having seen her. I am going to add a when to that if when,
• 2:31:45
  and if he does, that's going to be the test, because he
• 2:31:50
  will no longer have a source of value. Yeah, all right, So
• 2:31:58
  I got a superchow and asume for chat. So Richard Beerre gave us.
• 2:32:03
  No, I just got one super child and one super Chat. Richard Pierre
• 2:32:07
  gave us five bucks and says, it is this guy in the same league
• 2:32:11
  as Manifestel or Hannah Cox. No, he doesn't. Nobody's in the league
• 2:32:16
  of a Manifestel. Yeah, it's a whole other level. And then I
• 2:32:20
  got a whole other level. Yeah. Then I got a super chat from
• 2:32:24
  Albertnata Retro for two dollars Canadian and he says, don't forget Amy Dunn,
• 2:32:28
  Brian the hero of Gone Girl. How could I forget that? All right?
• 2:32:35
  So you think that's crazy, you should watch Midsummer Holy shit. That's
• 2:32:43
  it. That's it, So we can go to the Patron show now,
• 2:32:46
  all right, okay, well, thank you all for joining. If you
• 2:32:50
  want to send a message after the show is overfeed the Badger dot com slash
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  just a tip. It was a slow show today. Do you guys not
• 2:32:56
  like this subject? I got another rumble ran too. Oh okay, No,
• 2:33:00
  I don't know. Maybe it's just I don't know. All right,
• 2:33:01
  So Nova fan twenty one give us another dollar. Thank you, Noba fan,
• 2:33:05
  and says, looking at his past five years of videos, he seems
• 2:33:09
  to have switched from being an artist to a life advice grifter. Thank you
• 2:33:13
  for that. I think grifter is a little bit of an overused term,
• 2:33:18
  but I do think that there are places where it applies. So maybe you're
• 2:33:20
  right. I don't know. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
• 2:33:24
  All right, that's it, so grifter, I mean, well, grifter
• 2:33:28
  statement a strong statement, but I mean, like I said, it might
• 2:33:31
  be true. I don't know. I think it's overused. I think he's
• 2:33:35
  just doesn't have he doesn't understand, or maybe he just doesn't realize what he's
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  doing. See, the problem is men and boys are being shot at.
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  Well, the real issue is that they're not bulletproof, according to him,
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  No, the real problems that they're being shot at. Yes, maybe they
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  have to dig a trench, fine, maybe they have to take action to
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  protect themselves. Fine, But the real problem never ceases being that men and
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  boys are under fire in this society. Like you can't, you can't get
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  away from that. I sure as hell I'm not gonna let anyone get away
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  from it, even even if it means like as this guy recognizes that,
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  you know, our channel is never gonna get really big. I don't know,
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  stay never, you know, because we like, honestly, that's not
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  identifying an enemy when I say that, the real problem is that our society
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  is, you know, at war with its men and boys. It's treating
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  them like crap, it's not giving them any kinds basically saying that men and
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  boys are the enemy. Well, that's what means when you say that men
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  impress women, means they're the enemy. And you know when it's saying that,
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  like that's the problem. Now, that's not really identifying a political group.
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  It's just identifying it an attitude and a behavior, and we all need
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  to stop it. Like we've we've all probably been at one point inclined towards
• 2:34:58
  that at Adam Tutor behavior. But we had to liquify it, we had
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  to get rid of it. We're all responsible for it. We're all responsible
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  for ending it, not just forcing blame on men and boys and saying,
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  wow, we're trying to shoot you, but you know you should become bulletproof.
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  Why aren't you bulletproof? Like screw you? Like if you were any
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  kind of man, you'd be bulletproof. Good lord. Anyway, once again,
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  I'm I'm ready. I got to do the after show. I'm starving,
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  Are machines dude? Okay? They are literal? All right, I'm gonna
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  up. See that's the thing it went. It automatically transferred us to the
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  next I gotta, I gotta you gotta stay quiet while I switch back to
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  the outro. Are machines dude? Okay? They are literal? Machines.
• 2:36:26
  They are talking point machines. They are impossible to deal with, especially if
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  you have like especially if you have like a couple of dudes who have good
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  memory. On top of that too, Holy shit, you're fucked