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Trump vs MTG and the fracturing of MAGA · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  Welcome to Unleash the Political News Hour.
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  I'm Nick Kane, your host for this edition.
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  And you know, we talk about a lot of things on this show that the American people are interested in and want to hear about.
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  And one of those issues I think that is an important topic is immigration and what is happening at the border and inside our borders.
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  And we're going to be getting into that in great detail today in both our second and third segments.
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  I've got some really great guests that I'm bringing on to help me break those issues down.
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  But right now in this first segment, I want to talk about a subject that is been making uh the headlines, and it's been talked about a lot.
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  And I'm seeing this issue, and I'm going to be doing more on this topic.
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  But of course, the big headline that has been all over the place the last couple of days has been Marjorie Taylor Green uh giving, you know, making an announcement of her decision to resign come January.
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  Now, look, folks, I think it's important to understand what has been going on.
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  I think that we're beginning to see a fracture within the Republican Party.
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  And I've been doing some research on this to try to understand why this happened.
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  Uh, what, you know, what is truth from fiction in the terms of the the things that are being said out there.
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  And, you know, because there's a lot of hyperbole that is used, uh, especially by President Trump.
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  And I think it's important to understand where it's coming from.
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  Otherwise, uh, we may miss, you know, an important point.
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  Of course, uh, this really it started with the, you know, with this current administration, um, and having things that were being said online and in social media uh by Marjorie Taylor Green.
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  And I I verified this and looked to see really where did this spat start?
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  And it really kind of, you know, it goes back to uh really June 23rd of 2025.
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  But before we get into what was said and by whom, uh, I think it's important to recognize that Marjorie Taylor Green is a Republican.
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  She is not a rhino, even though that is what uh, you know, Trump has been calling her, and uh, but she's a conservative.
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  But she does have a political bent and a political worldview that Donald Trump does not share.
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  And that is one that is more isolationist in her, you know, worldview, and particularly on the area of foreign policy, and that's important to understand.
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  So one of the things that occurred was uh, you know, and so it just if I go back and I look at some of the things on border security and immigration, uh, MTG voted for Trump's agenda uh between 2023 and 2020 on foreign aid opposition.
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  Uh, she supported and echoed Trump's stance against endless wars and foreign spending.
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  Uh judicial confirmations, she backed all of Trump's efforts to reshape the judiciary on tack cut tax cuts and deregulation.
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  She was consistent with Trump's economic agenda.
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  And the second amendment policies or protections, uh, you know, that she has publicly stated that she would never vote for laws, making it harder to possess guns.
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  And election integrity.
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  She was core to Trump's post-2020 agenda.
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  So she has had an alignment rate with Trump that was over 90% through 2024 per her statements and voting trackers.
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  So the real question is is what changed.
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  And I think really where things began to shift and change was in November of 2025, where uh the Epstein files uh and the release of those and the file transparency act, uh, those issues that were coming around there.
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  Of course, remember she was very vocal, and she voted yes to force the DOJ to release the Jeffrey Epstein investigation files via uh discharge petition, joining three other Republicans and the Democrats.
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  And I think that was the first sour note that Trump had.
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  You'll remember Trump disagreeing with her saying that uh initially calling it a distraction, uh reversed, and of course he reversed that position uh, you know, after the vote, but uh he lashed out at MTG, you know, beforehand.
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  Uh I still don't think we understand what is going on there.
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  Some people have tried to make the claim that, you know, well, that's because Trump's compromiser because he's in the you know the Epstein files.
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  I don't think that's the case.
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  Clearly, Trump would not have called for him to be released now uh if that were the case.
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  However, I do have a suspicion that there are some world leaders that may be in there or people who are pretty high up in other countries that Trump is trying to make deals with that are beneficial to the United States.
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  Without a doubt, if that is the case, it is going to cause tensions and it could derail certain negotiations that are going on.
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  And whether you agree with it or not, I just think that's my opinion as to what why Trump, you know, was so adamant about not going forward with releasing this.
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  On the other hand, um, there's been some other things, and one of these I was kind of surprised about.
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  So Affordable Care Act subsidies extensions.
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  Um, this was an area that uh MTG came out, and she basically uh she opposed the GOP cuts uh to expiring the ACA or the American Care Act or the Obamacare, as many people call it.
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  Um, and she was concerned that the health insurance subsidies during the government shutdown, uh, you know, that she was also criticizing the failure to address rising premiums.
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  And this has a lot to do with who she represents in her district.
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  So this was really, you know, more of an issue that, but she also talked about her own kids uh facing, you know, rising premiums.
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  And I think that is a lot to do with why she was so adamant.
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  She also was opposed to the H1B visa program expansion.
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  Now, I agree with her on this because I think ultimately it hurts uh, you know, the the American job base, particularly the technology field where I'm part of and you know, and a lot of those other types of jobs.
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  I'm in agreement with that.
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  Um, she also, though, has been an ab uh outspoken uh against the Republicans' call for um, you know, Israel's uh, you know, basically support, and she's called uh Israel's Gaza actions a genocide and voted against uh unconditional aid.
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  I totally disagree with her on this front.
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  Uh, I believe that the U.S.
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  has a strategic importance in our relationship with Israel, and I do think that uh we need to support Israel and and help them maintain a strong front against terrorists in the region.
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  Um that said, I don't necessarily have a problem with people who disagree with me on these issues, and I think that's important.
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  Look, we live in America, and there are reasonable people who you know are more isolationist in their view, and others who are interventionalists.
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  Trump is neither of those.
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  He is right in the middle, and he would be what they call a selective engagement uh, you know, type of guy.
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  He believes in engaging and using things like tariffs and and uh trade wars and things like that, where we have the and military aid, where we have uh an opportunity to benefit the United States, he's all for it.
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  So he's not an isolationist, never has been, but he's also not an interventionalist.
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  He's not wanting to go around and and be a um, you know, a nation builder like the globalists, you know, who are part of the the crowd of Republicans that are often called rhinos.
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  So I think that's an important distinction to make.
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  Um now, I do want to say that it started really June 23rd, 2025.
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  Um, where in a statement that was posted on X, uh, Marjorie Taylor Green said that only six months in and we are back into foreign wars, regime change, and world war three.
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  It feels like a complete bait and switch to please the neocons.
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  So I will literally fight anyone for my children's future, she says.
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  So this is, you know, really a an attack against Trump.
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  And if anybody knows anything about Trump, it's that he does not like being called out publicly.
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  And if you do, he is going to attack you back.
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  Trump doesn't really start fights, but he always finishes them.
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  And much to, you know, honestly, I think it's petty, and I don't like it.
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  Uh, I don't think it helps the party.
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  I don't think it helps uh America for Trump to be, you know, to punch back so hard on on things like this.
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  But nonetheless, he has.
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  And and this continued to go on, but Trump didn't immediately react.
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  Uh, in October, uh, October 6th, uh, she went on to again attack with uh saying, I'm going to go against everyone on this issue.
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  And this had to do with the ACA subsidies.
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  Uh when tax credits expire this year, my own children's, my own adult children's insurance premiums for 2026 are going.
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  To double along with all the wonderful families in my district.
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  Now, I understand she's trying to represent her people, but at the end of the day, to what end?
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  Through socialism.
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  So I disagree with her on this.
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  Um, but then she went and attacked Trump for inviting the Syrian leader to the White House.
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  And of course, this is where Trump is trying to bring peace, and he's really put forward a lot of effort in foreign policy.
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  And uh, and she criticized Trump for having uh foreign leaders in the white house instead of just focusing on domestic policy.
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  And uh, and so of course Trump attacked, and I feel like his attacks uh quite honestly have been a bit unfair, especially in where he's called her a traitor.
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  And so I just wanted to talk about this because I think we need to have open and honest communication about this.
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  It is perfectly normal for Republicans to be at at odds with each other and have different opinions on these different topics.
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  Um, and I do think we should stay away from trying to you know call each other traitor and call each other rhinos and things like that, where we can work together, we should.
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  And if we disagree uh with somebody, then we have every right to, you know, to uh I think Trump's has every right to withdraw his endorsement of uh Marjorie Taylor Green.
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  I'm not opposed to that.
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  I think if she's not, you know, uh with him on the major policies that he is trying to go forward with, then he should remove his endorsement.
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  But do I believe that it it goes to the point of you know, name calling and calling her a trader?
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  I think that's going too far.
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  And so I would just urge folks to try to get at the facts, try to understand what's really going on and make your decisions based on the facts and not based on the hyperbole and what's said online and what's said, you know, in social media, it's just a ridiculous way uh, you know, to run policy and uh and to be making decisions.
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  We got to look at the records, the voting records, and the things that these people are actually saying and doing.
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  With that said, folks, uh, we're out of time for this first segment, but stick around.
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  We're gonna get into uh a really great uh you know discussion on immigration on illegal uh aliens and in the removal of illegal aliens, and then on like what changes need to be made in our uh on immigration in our third segment.
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  So it's gonna be uh a very interesting show, and I've got two great guests to help me go through that and break that down.
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  With that said, uh, we're heading off into a break.
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  Welcome back to Unleash the Policy News Hour.
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  We're heading into our second segment.
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  And with me is my guest, JJ Carroll, who has a very unique perspective on the border issues from his years of being a frontline journeyman agent to senior leader in the United States border patrol.
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  Uh, we've got some serious problems going on here, folks.
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  And while we would like to, you know, think that we are putting a dent in the illegal immigration problem in our country.
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  The reality is that we are far from putting a dent in it.
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  And to help me break that down, uh, is somebody who really has a good understanding of this.
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  So uh JJ, thank you so much for joining the show.
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  Uh thank you for having me.
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  This is a very important topic.
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  And and to get real about the the statistics and the data that's showing that we are not deporting enough people per day per month or per year.
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  Yeah, so you know, let's start with that.
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  I think that's a uh a fact that a lot of people are not aware of what the exact numbers are.
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  And I'd like you to break it down for us in terms of the number of illegal aliens that are here in this country, the number of illegal aliens that are being deported right now on a daily basis, and how long it's gonna take at the rate that we're going in order to clean this problem up.
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  Well, right now we stand at minimum 50 million illegal aliens in America, five zero.
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  You're starting to hear even uh commentators in quote in the upper echelon saying, well, it could be closer to 60 million, but we know the real number is around 50 million illegal aliens.
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  Donald Trump and his CBP customs and border protection is uh arresting and deporting, I would say on a good day, a thousand, a thousand.
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  So if we do that and play it out, it's 365,000.
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  Let's say that it's true that two million self-deported, which I I don't have any data to dispute that, but let's just say let's just do a round number, two million people.
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  That means it's going to take decades and decades and decades for people to get all the way out of our country, meaning the whole 50 million.
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  If you go off a thousand a day, we're looking at about 125 years.
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  So this has to be everything has to change.
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  Um, and and just to go one step further, 55 million legal immigrants are here on visas.
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  A significant percentage of them overstay their visas and become illegal aliens in America every single day.
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  So we are probably running a net negative outside of all of the people that were arrested and deporting, equal to that or double, triple, quadruple that every day is overstaying their visas.
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  We have a major problem, and no one wants to really address it head on.
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  Just to give some perspective on that for folks, I was just doing the math on this.
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  50 million illegals in this country, and this is just the people that are that have come into this country illegally, uh, with that in as their intent, right?
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  Um that's 14.37% of our population.
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  Correct.
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  14.
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  That's almost 15%.
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  You add to that the 50 million that are here that are foreign nationals.
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  I mean, that's 30% of our population.
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  That's crazy.
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  Now tell me what nation on planet earth has an entire civilization has withstood, withstood this demographic upheaval.
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  Now, listen, yeah, people say, well, what does that look like in real time?
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  I say, okay, you want to know what that looks like in real time.
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  Why do we have a housing crisis?
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  Has anybody even try to do connect two dots?
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  You have an infrastructure, meaning a housing infrastructure that's supposed to house 340 million people.
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  It is instead being stretched to beyond the max to house 450 million people.
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  If you removed all of the legal and illegal aliens from our nation, we don't have a housing problem.
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  We don't have a scarcity in in EBT and SNAP and Section 8.
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  We have none of those issues.
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  We don't have overcrowded schools, we don't have overcrowded highways and freeways.
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  We don't have overcrowded uh emergency rooms and our health care is not crashing.
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  I mean, how many millions of illegal aliens are getting free health care while me and you pay a thousand, two thousand dollars a month for premiums.
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  Think about that.
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  That's a very good point.
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  You know, um just to give another perspective on this, folks.
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  Uh, I looked back throughout history to see what the average annual immigration rate has been in the United States.
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  Um, and and bottom line is is that like from the 1820s to 1860s, it was basically 0.6 to 1.0%, right?
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  Then I think at its peak, at its peak, which was 1900 to 1914, it was one to 1.6%.
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  One to 1.6%.
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  That's it.
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  That's the peak.
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  Yet we're talking about 30% of our population right now, both illegal and legal.
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  Immigration of people coming into this country in the last decade.
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  It is absolutely something that is unsustainable.
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  As you mentioned, it it affects all areas, you know, of our lives.
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  And um, and the fact is is that it there is a it's not just immigration either.
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  It's also uh, you know, refugee resettlement and all of this and all of the money that goes to things in our own country, uh, that that isn't really going to American citizens.
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  Uh that's being diverted, you know, for welfare and and uh and education and uh you know, housing, all of these things which drive up the cost of everything because.
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  Also, you have you have basically a false scarcity going on here in this country because of that.
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  And it impacts all of us.
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  So now there's a greater problem here, I think.
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  Um, let's take the the legal immigration, which I think is legal immigration in and of itself is a problem.
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  But let's just take that for a minute and let's look at the issue of law and order.
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  What does it mean when we have a federal law on the books and it is just outright ignored for four years?
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  What does that look like?
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  It looks like treason under Joe Biden's administration for four years, he completely ignored the Immigration Nationality Act, which is the Bible of immigration law and opened the borders.
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  Literally, I don't know any other way.
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  This is not hyperbole.
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  I'm not being dramatic.
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  He literally opened the gates on the border and said, come on in.
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  There's only 195 nations on planet Earth.
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  Over 180 to 185 nationalities were reported in the border patrol arrest data, meaning the entire world came to America.
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  Of those 30 million that he brought in, Nate in those four years, 60 to 70% of them were single adult military age men from the continent Africa, Middle East, Haiti, and Venezuela.
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  We allowed in to America armies, like never before seen these numbers come into a different nation, a foreign nation, and they're taking over.
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  Violence is skyrocketing throughout the nation, the murders, the rapes, the pedophilia, the child sex trafficking at the hands of illegal immigrants.
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  It's insane what we have allowed to happen.
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  But I want your audience to understand this is not happenstance.
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  It's not bad policy.
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  It's intentional and strategic.
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  They wanted to fundamentally transform the United States of America.
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  Those were over by uh Obama's own words.
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  Yes, and they did it intentionally to make that transformation.
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  And they're doing it through demographics.
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  You know, there's something else that I think is uh is is kind of interesting and that that should concern us all.
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  Um there were several executive orders that were put forward under the Biden administration that had to do with immigration.
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  One was uh revoking revocation of uh certain executive orders concerning federal state partnerships for healthy homes, which had to do with um it basically revoked Trump's orders on sanctuary cities and enforcement.
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  Uh you had one that was uh creating a comprehensive regional framework for migration, uh which was put forward uh that was a four one four zero one zero, uh, which addressed root cross uh causes in Central America, expanding legal pathways and asylum processing, which basically opened the door wide open.
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  Um basically, and there's I want to say, I'm just looking at this list here.
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  I I don't have time to go through it all, but basically one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, thirteen executive orders that were put forward by Biden.
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  Well, it's worse than that.
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  The first day in office he signed 94 executive orders, all on immigration, opening the border in his first year, he signed 296 executive orders destroying the the the southern border.
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  So this was intentional.
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  This means they planned it out here for the first day.
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  Here's here's the worst part of this.
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  And and this is where why I'm I'm I'm talking about this, because I I think there's some legal action that needs to be put into place immediately.
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  All 13 were done by autopen, all 13 folks.
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  Auto pen, meaning Biden never even signed these with his own hand.
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  We know now that Autopen was used by people surrounding him.
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  I don't think that that Joe Biden was even there mentally.
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  I think that this was basically a coup de cot a coup to coup de grab by folks within on the left who basically were running a unelected government, essentially by autopen.
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  And uh, and so I think that there needs to be a full-blown investigation and there need to be trials in these people who were involved in this, I think need to be brought to justice.
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  Because we're dealing with a problem now that I don't even think, even if Trump were to go full blast and and just you know, say, you know, screw it, I don't care about any blowback, we're gonna just, you know, round them all up and remove them.
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  I I don't think that it they would even be able to do it within one term.
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  Yeah, but you know, the only thing that I would have to say to that is right now I spoke to a gentleman that is um in the Intel services in Pakistan.
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  Pakistan decided we're going to remove all the Afghans from our this is Pakistan, not a first world nation.
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  They removed in 30 days two million Afghans.
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  They're averaging a million deportations a month.
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  Are you telling me that Pakistan can do that?
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  But the United States of America can't.
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  This is just a will.
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  Well, I think part of the problem, I think part of the problem, JJ, is that we're dealing with a corrupted judiciary as well as um, you know, executive branch and and and uh legislative branch, and a obviously we're dealing with a media which has been running one of the most advanced propaganda wars against the you know, uh against immigration laws in this country.
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  I mean, you see uh time and time again where the media shows this picture of some woman being dragged out of her car and saying, Oh, what about my babies?
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  Don't take me away from my babies, and they don't show you the the uh uh basically the resisting arrests that took place before that, you know, where they had a you know uh an hour long um uh uh you know basically car chase and and this woman basically putting you know people's lives at risk ahead of time.
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  They don't show any of that, or they don't show you know the other things that have been happening.
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  It it it really is disgusting, but that's what is going on.
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  And so we have a media that that we're having to fight against as well.
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  What do you see?
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  Like, what is it gonna take if if Trump were to just say, you know what, I don't care, I'm gonna do what needs to be done.
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  What does that even look like?
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  I mean, I I can't even imagine.
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  Well, I I it's not rocket science.
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  This is the greatest part about it.
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  I'm not asking, we're not Americans, not asking Donald Trump to uh cure cancer.
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  We're saying, sir, I want you to take third world people out of our country.
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  Okay, well, how do you do that?
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  Well, you shut down all the spigots of money to NGOs, all the money to the states that are sanctuary states and sanctuary cities.
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  Then you attach the military to ICE, meaning I I would hire, I would promote and assign a field general that has been in war that's knows logistics, and I would tell him you're gonna create a logistical machine, there is no cost, don't worry about it, just get it done.
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  And every single person that gets arrested, you are going to push them through a system onto a C 130, you're gonna fly them out.
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  You're now gonna take the board patrol and you're gonna take those agents that at least 10,000 of them and put them in the interior in smaller groups, like I'll take 10,000 guys, and I need five 50 states.
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  So, how many do I need?
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  So I got what, uh, you know, 200 guys per state, and then I'm gonna get state and local.
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  I'm going to to incorporate them.
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  I'm gonna put money bounties on illegal aliens, meaning every time a sheriff or a local police department arrests illegal alien, they get a thousand dollars, and we pay your your sergeant's time.
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  You just keep track of it.
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  It can be done.
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  It just do we have the will to do it?
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  And here's the other problem, Nate.
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  So we're using we have 20 sectors in the United States Board Patrol.
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  There's 20 sector chiefs.
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  There's only one chief that is actually doing interior patrol.
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  That's Chief Bovino.
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  So the media is chasing this one guy around.
• 28:16
  What if we had 50 Chief Bovinos working in 50 states, going from state to state cleaning it out?
• 28:24
  Then it can't be just focused on one on one or one group of men and castigating them in the media.
• 28:31
  This can be done, but it was doomed to fail from the beginning, because I want your audience to understand ICE only has six thousand officers, and here's the killer of the kicker of all things.
• 28:45
  Those 6,000 are not street patrol agents, meaning they're investigators.
• 28:52
  They don't do street arrest.
• 28:54
  So that's why you're seeing it's so ineffective and so faulty because the whole premise was built on something that could never work.
• 29:04
  You know, one of the things that you mentioned at the very beginning of that, right?
• 29:07
  Was that we need to cut off all these spigots of money.
• 29:09
  Uh look, anybody in this country who gets arrested, who's not an American citizen, that should be immediately reported to ICE.
• 29:17
  That should be, in fact, I as far as I'm concerned for a sanctuary city or a sanctuary police department to not report that to ICE, that should be a felony and they should be arrested for obstruction of justice, number one.
• 29:33
  Uh number two, uh, the other thing that that needs to happen is all of these people who are on any kind of public assistance, any kind of public benefit should have to prove their citizenship, period.
• 29:45
  And if they attempt to gain any kind of uh benefits uh without citizenship, that should be immediate means or or should be immediately a cause for arrest.
• 29:56
  Uh and then I and that and that includes, by the way, that's
• 30:00
  That includes uh illegal aliens uh who are putting their kids in American schools.
• 30:06
  I mean, all you know, look, that's that is a public service that's being paid for.
• 30:10
  That includes an illegal alien showing up to an emergency room and and uh utilizing those services, not paying the bill.
• 30:17
  Uh, you know, you can't go in California, Southern Cal.
• 30:20
  Good luck.
• 30:21
  If you go to emergency room, you might bleed out because of illegals using emergency rooms as doctors' offices.
• 30:29
  And you have you have uh you have like hospitals like um, you know, basically your general hospitals that are county run, uh, are going out of business because they they don't have you know, they have all these people coming to emergency room using services and then not paying the bill.
• 30:45
  Yeah, absolutely.
• 30:46
  Well, you let's talk about that just for a second.
• 30:49
  California, California is in the red by tens of billions of dollars.
• 30:53
  Do you know how much they had to readjust their budget at the last of the last term in legislature?
• 30:59
  Because the illegal aliens between 16 and 49, just 16 and 49 in the state of California, cost California taxpayers 9.7 billion.
• 31:10
  That's where they be.
• 31:12
  9.7 billion dollars, and they're about 40 to 60 billion dollars in the red, and they're spending all of their money on illegal aliens health care.
• 31:21
  Tell me that's not a problem.
• 31:23
  Yeah, no, that is a problem.
• 31:25
  And this is part of the reason why, you know, the the healthcare insurance, you know.
• 31:31
  I remember there was a time where you know you got a lot more for the money that you spent on health care.
• 31:36
  Now you're lucky, you know, to get half of what you had before, and and the price is probably double what it used to be.
• 31:43
  And I remember uh when the Obamacare, you know, was first enacted.
• 31:48
  I I saw my premium double.
• 31:50
  And and that's because they were not just providing insurance for Americans, but they started providing insurance for all of these illegals that aren't contributing into the system.
• 32:00
  And so it became became a huge welfare system for uh, you know, for a lot of people in this country that honestly uh number one don't have a right to be here, and number two, uh, certainly shouldn't be on the public dole.
• 32:14
  Wow.
• 32:15
  That those are some crazy numbers.
• 32:17
  They are crazy, but you have to ask yourself a follow-up question.
• 32:21
  Why would our government do this to us knowingly, purposefully, intentionally do this to us?
• 32:25
  The United States American government is the enemy of the people.
• 32:29
  That has been proven through Doge and Elon Musk.
• 32:31
  It's been proven through the inaction of both the House and Senate, doesn't matter what parties they are, and it's been proven by the presidents.
• 32:39
  They do not care.
• 32:41
  They care about foreign nations, foreign people, and the American people are stuck foot in the bill.
• 32:46
  And if you don't like it, it makes you hard and it makes it difficult to make ends meet, then we'll just that's tough.
• 32:51
  Deal with it, America.
• 32:52
  And I think America, I don't think I know America needs to stand up and say, no, no, I'm not doing it.
• 32:58
  In fact, I'm not paying my taxes.
• 33:00
  I'm not doing anything.
• 33:02
  No, I'm not doing anything.
• 33:03
  I want my country back.
• 33:04
  And that's not going to be without pain and suffering.
• 33:08
  Yeah.
• 33:09
  Uh one last question for you.
• 33:11
  And and I I just this to me is something that you you've brought up Doge, and and so I'm really curious.
• 33:17
  Have you done any research or do you do you have any idea of how much tax dollars have gone through uh, you know, through various NGOs to fund a lot of the illegal immigration into our country?
• 33:34
  Well, under Joe Biden, it would it eclipsed one trillion dollars in four years.
• 33:39
  Wow.
• 33:39
  I mean, look, just a simple yeah, uh that that's not a surprise at all.
• 33:44
  When I look at like uh the you know, just doing a search on this, uh, you know, through like AI, which I'm sure is only capturing stuff that that, you know, it's not capturing a lot of it.
• 33:56
  It's saying 4.3 to 5.5 billion of US tax dollars going to NGOs like Catholic charities, Lutheran Immigration, Refugee Service, and and others uh, you know, that have been directly involved in trying to essentially help these people skirt around the law and lie on their documentation and paperwork to get refugee status when they're not in fact refugees.
• 34:19
  Well, that's a lie on its own because one hotel in New York City was an annual cost of one billion dollars.
• 34:26
  Wow, house 5,000 illegal aliens a year at 1 billion dollars.
• 34:31
  So all these numbers are are there, they're just bold-faced lies.
• 34:34
  Um USAID spent 60 billion dollars a year on international NGOs for four years.
• 34:41
  That's a quarter of a trillion dollars right there.
• 34:43
  How much money did did DHS uh launder through FEMA to give to NGOs tens, if not hundreds of billions of dollars?
• 34:52
  And then you begin to look at the cost of incarceration, schools, healthcare, blah, blah, blah.
• 34:56
  We're at a trillion dollars easy.
• 34:58
  And and it left, you know, DHS without money for FEMA to, you know, to basically help uh, you know, communities that were devastated by flooding and and other natural disasters, which was just atrocious.
• 35:09
  Majorca should be in prison as far as I'm concerned.
• 35:11
  Well, we're out of time, and I want to thank you, JJ, for coming on and going over these numbers with us.
• 35:17
  Uh, real quickly, where can people follow you?
• 35:19
  Uh, your best best place, it's just my website at JJ Carroll.com, JJ Carroll.com.
• 35:25
  Nate, thanks so much for the time today.
• 35:27
  Thank you again.
• 35:28
  And uh folks, uh, stick around.
• 35:30
  We're going to a break right now, but uh, we're gonna be talking about a lot more and really continuing this issue of national security and what has been happening in this country uh, you know, over the last four years, and really what is in many ways continuing to happen.
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• 37:21
  Welcome back to Unleash the Political News Hour as we head into our third and final segment of the show.
• 37:28
  You know, I am just interested in this topic of immigration and want to continue on, but this time we're going to shift the conversation a little bit into the issue of how do we deal with having proper immigration into this country.
• 37:44
  You know, we once had immigration, like I said, that at its max, I think was at like 1% a year or 1.6% or something like that.
• 37:52
  But it it never was like what we're seeing today.
• 37:55
  And there were requirements.
• 37:57
  And to help me break that down, I'm bringing back a guest that we've had before, my good friend uh Jack Donna, a retired U.S.
• 38:05
  Army sergeant major with 23 years of combined military service, including a distinguished career in the military intelligence and five years with the NSA.
• 38:14
  He's a man who has a lot of understanding about this, and largely because of his own family connections to immigration.
• 38:20
  And so, you know, we're gonna get into that.
• 38:23
  And uh he's got some really great thoughts on this, and so I'm happy to have him, Jack.
• 38:27
  Thank you so much for joining.
• 38:29
  Well, thank you, Nate.
• 38:30
  I appreciate that.
• 38:31
  Um, I was uh I was a frock sergeant major, but I retired as a master sergeant just to just to let you know.
• 38:37
  So yeah, I always forget to uh add that to my notes.
• 38:41
  Yeah, that was my that was my final title.
• 38:43
  I was I was frocked into a Sarge Major's position, but uh I appreciate it's a great honor to be on your show again.
• 38:48
  And uh let's uh let's see if we can get uh some people educated.
• 38:52
  Yeah, you know, so in the last segment, we were getting into really the issue of all of the illegal immigration and it's about 50 million estimated illegals living in the United States and and this problem of how do we deport them, how do we how do we write the system that is so clearly been corrupted?
• 39:11
  But there's a second part to this that we didn't cover in that conversation that I think is important, which is how do we right now vet the people who are coming in or who do want to come in?
• 39:24
  And when we have a system that is working properly, you know, why is it that we have people that are coming here, they're not assimilating?
• 39:31
  Um they're they are creating their own, you know, basically, you know, uh take a look at like Dearborn, Michigan, you know, where it is not even recognizable as an American city anymore.
• 39:44
  These are the kinds of things that I have concerns about, and how do we prevent that from happening?
• 39:50
  How do we ensure that the people coming here uh intend to preserve the U.S.
• 39:55
  Constitution and the ideals that have made America the
• 40:00
  The greatest country on planet Earth.
• 40:05
  Well, it's a complex question with man, it's multifaceted, but you know, in regards to the uh the previous administration and what they what they did was open up, they basically essentially opened up the borders with the intent of um you know changing permanently changing the demographics of the United States.
• 40:26
  That's that's that's my that's what I believe.
• 40:28
  Um when you have people coming in that are coming from uh nations and countries that uh that do not understand the basic concepts that are inculcated in our constitution.
• 40:42
  Um, you know, yes, we have individual liberty, but also we have we have laws.
• 40:47
  We live in a nation of laws.
• 40:49
  Uh my father immigrated here from uh Nicaragua.
• 40:55
  He was uh he was a uh being pursued by the uh by the government of uh Somosa and uh him him and really the whole family had to flee, and my father came here.
• 41:08
  Uh but there's something that there was a really big hole right now in our immigration system, and uh I'd like to point it out, and I sent you a couple of uh photos of uh what I'm talking about.
• 41:22
  So up until uh December 23rd of 1952, anyone who entered here into the country had it was mandatory, had to fill out what was called a form N315.
• 41:36
  And what this form is, it's called the standard form used for filing a declaration of intention in the United States.
• 41:44
  So basically, this is a form that basically before you even became a citizen, and then it was like a there was different waiting periods depending on the period of time the N315 was in place.
• 41:54
  I believe they put the N315 in place back in 1906, is when they first put it back in put it into place, but there was a waiting period.
• 42:03
  First it was three years, then it was two years.
• 42:05
  So my dad did his N315 in uh 1952, I believe.
• 42:12
  But I'd like to read the wording of this form to your listening audience so that they understand uh what a serious problem has happened with the elimination of this particular form called a declaration of intention that it reads like this.
• 42:31
  It is my intention in good faith to become a citizen of the United States and to reside permanently therein.
• 42:39
  I will, before being admitted to citizenship, renounce absolutely it forever, all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom a which at the time of admission to citizenship, I need be a subject or citizen.
• 42:57
  I am not an anarchist, nor a believer in the unlawful damage, injury, or destruction of property or sabotage, nor a disbeliever in or posed to organized government, nor a member of or affiliated with any organization or body of persons teaching disbelief in or opposition to organized government.
• 43:20
  I certify that the photograph affixed to this document in triplets is a likeness of me, and I and I was signed by me.
• 43:29
  I do swear affirm that the statements I have made and the intentions I have expressed in this declaration of intention, scribed by me are true to the best of my knowledge and belief, so help me God.
• 43:42
  Why don't the question that we should be asking our government is why don't we do this anymore?
• 43:48
  We stopped doing it in 1952.
• 43:51
  Now, if you violated that back prior to 1952, if you violated that N315, even after you had attained citizenship, you were gone.
• 44:04
  You were gone.
• 44:04
  You were stripped of your citizenship and you were you were deported.
• 44:07
  You went back to your you went back to wherever you came from.
• 44:10
  And so you know, if you listen, if you if you listen to the words that are in that thing, it even says potentate.
• 44:20
  Uh now you're talking about not necessarily uh uh a king, but you're also talking about like religious leaders.
• 44:29
  And this speaks to the whole idea of we're getting we're getting a lot of people that have come into this country from the Middle East who do not ascribe to our constitution as a supreme law.
• 44:41
  They they ascribe to what's called Sharia law, you know, to the Islamic law, and that speaks to the problem that we're having in Dearborn, you know, with uh all of the issues of the uh uh calls to prayer and uh the the uh uh you know the cloud, it's it's it's it's becoming a really really bad clash of cultures.
• 45:06
  So um I think that there are things that we could put in place or re-implement that are vital and essential to ensuring that the people that are actually coming here to this country have the intention of loving this country, becoming true uh believers in what the constitution represents, individual freedom and not an allegiance or a uh uh an adherence to a previous government or leader or belief system.
• 45:43
  Yeah, yeah.
• 45:44
  You know, it's it's interesting.
• 45:46
  Uh I was just doing a little bit of research on kind of the history of how we went from you know, the early part of America to now, and what has changed in regards to how can somebody lose their citizenship or their naturalization, right?
• 46:05
  And and there is a process, although things changed right around uh the you know, right around the 50s, basically.
• 46:14
  Yep.
• 46:14
  And uh in 1958.
• 46:17
  So there was a going all the way back to 1776 to 1868, um, basically, you know, the constitution was kind of silent on loss of citizenship, and you know, basically, you know, there they're really we didn't really have an immigration.
• 46:33
  We wanted people, we needed people to come to America, but there was a a shift, of course, uh, the 14th amendment, uh, which is often constant, you know, is often quoted as a reason and justification for uh you know, for anchor babies or birthright citizenship.
• 46:49
  And the problem with it is it was never intended for that, it was intended to rectify a problem of African American slaves who were suddenly free and not having all of the rights of citizenship.
• 47:04
  And so it was basically designed to rectify that.
• 47:08
  And it should have only been for a period of time, but unfortunately, uh it is still used today to give citizenship to uh children born in this country that you know, even if their parents are here illegally, which uh there's arguments as to whether or not that's even constitutional, because there is a clause, of course, in the 14th amendment that says um you know, subject to the jurisdiction thereof.
• 47:33
  And whether that means that you know, if you're here illegally, then you're not under the jurisdiction of the U.S.
• 47:39
  But how do you go back and fix that?
• 47:41
  You can't, because you have all these birth certificates now that you know have been, you know, have been um issued basically issued, right?
• 47:49
  So but then you had some things that happened, and like you said, uh you you had uh expatriate status statute uh of 1907 that uh went out and it basically um it listed acts that could cause the loss of citizenship, mostly for naturalized citizens, which were taking an oath of allegiance to another country, yep, serving in a foreign military, voting in a foreign election, and naturalized citizens living too long in their country of origin, um, you know, which you know, basically if they they came here, got citizenship, then went back to their country of origin and you know, live there for I don't know what the length of time was, but right, and then native-born citizens could also lose citizenship for the same acts until the 1920s and 30s, and the courts began pushing back.
• 48:42
  So you had the nationality act of 1940, which it said that naturalization um uh in a foreign state would trigger a basically loss of your citizenship here, oath of allegiance to a foreign state, uh serving in a foreign armed service or armed forces, uh, you know, if at war with the U.S.
• 49:00
  or as an officer or if as an officer voting in foreign political election, desertion from U.S.
• 49:06
  armed forces and wartime, treason, fleeing the country to avoid the draft.
• 49:12
  Interestingly enough, yeah.
• 49:14
  Uh, we had somebody that became president for that, you know, after doing that, right?
• 49:18
  Yeah, and then residing abroad uh for naturalized citizens for set periods.
• 49:23
  So it was kind of the same thing.
• 49:25
  And and then what happened was uh you had the high high watermark basically of involuntary denaturalization was um uh during between 1952 and 1967, uh where you had the immigration nationality act of 1952.
• 49:42
  Uh and in there, it basically it kept most of the 1940s precisions, but uh provisions, but it also it had peak east during the Cold War to basically to thousands of naturalized Americans, especially leftists and former communists were threatened with or actually lost.
• 50:00
  Citizenship.
• 50:01
  And uh, you know, and native-born citizens also could lose citizenship for things like voting in foreign elections.
• 50:07
  All of that changed in 1958 when the Supreme Court dramatically restricted denaturalization and expatriate expatriation.
• 50:16
  Um, and there were a number of cases, uh, looks like about seven or eight cases that basically kind of changed all that.
• 50:26
  So the Supreme Court really screwed this up.
• 50:28
  And well, yeah, I mean, it's it's been it's been this has been happening over uh not didn't happen overnight.
• 50:34
  It's been having happening over decades.
• 50:36
  But what is the what is the ultimate intent?
• 50:39
  I might believe the ultimate intent is to devalue to devalue the the the priceless, I mean the priceless uh uh right of citizenship that we should all cherish.
• 50:53
  I mean, you know, there's there's nobody, there's nobody uh uh, you know, getting on rafts and trying to get to Cuba or you know, or trying to escape to North Korea, you know, or you know, they they all want to come here.
• 51:07
  They want to come here for a reason.
• 51:09
  That's right.
• 51:09
  Okay, but it speaks to that in their intentions.
• 51:13
  What are their what are their intentions?
• 51:16
  Is their intention to come here and to actually contribute to our society, you know.
• 51:22
  Uh, you know, I think John F.
• 51:23
  Kennedy, you know, framed it perfectly when he said, That's not what your country can do for you, but rather what you can do for your country.
• 51:30
  And I think I think a lot of these people that have caught that are coming here, they're not only just coming here with the intent of of uh uh, you know, I I want benefits, I want health care, uh, you know, they actually believe that we are a bad nation and that we must be punished.
• 51:51
  Hence, we see a lot of these crimes that are happening over and over and again by by illegals, and we have prosecutors that and judges that continue to let these people you know, roam free.
• 52:06
  Thankfully, you know, Trump is trying, you know, with Tom Holman and Christine Owner trying to get rid of these people.
• 52:12
  But you know, I have a friend of mine, he's uh he's a he's a colonel in the uh border patrol.
• 52:18
  He works in DC.
• 52:19
  And I asked him, I said, listen, I said, how many people you figure we got in the country legally?
• 52:24
  He says, uh, maybe 20, 25 million.
• 52:26
  And I says, well, I've done the math.
• 52:28
  You know, in four years, if if if Trump gets two million every four years, that's that's only eight million.
• 52:35
  And his response to me was Jack, this is a this is gonna be not four years.
• 52:40
  This is gonna take 12, 15, maybe 20 years to get all of these people out of here.
• 52:45
  Provided we have uh conservatives being listed.
• 52:49
  I mean, that's really it only takes one four-year term, as we've seen.
• 52:54
  Yes, to completely reverse everything.
• 52:57
  Yes, you're right.
• 52:58
  You're right.
• 52:58
  And so this speaks this speaks to the heart of the problem.
• 53:03
  This is something that I've spoken about, you know, in our think tank, the Connel Rad group.
• 53:09
  The most vital thing that that we believe that the president and this Congress and this administration should be working on is two things.
• 53:18
  They need to first fix the census, so we know who are the people that are here legally in this country.
• 53:26
  It cannot absolutely.
• 53:27
  In fact, there is a there's a case that was before the Supreme Court, and they pushed it off, and that needs to be revisited.
• 53:34
  I think it is going to get revisited or it is, which is that why on earth would we count illegals in the U.S.
• 53:43
  Census Well, there's a reason for that.
• 53:46
  Because those because those illegals concentrate in blue states in blue cities, and it drives and it drives the numbers up so that it so that we have misrepresentation in the House of Representatives.
• 53:57
  This is a democrat ploy for to remain in power.
• 54:01
  And and a perfect example is I did the research on this in the uh after the 2020 election.
• 54:06
  And what it indicated at that time was that if they had redone things so that only U.S.
• 54:12
  citizens were counted towards apportionment, then it would mean that California would lose seven seats.
• 54:22
  Seven.
• 54:22
  And that's based on the most conservative estimates of how many illegals are in the California.
• 54:27
  That's we did the same calculus.
• 54:30
  We did the same calculation.
• 54:31
  We came up with the Republicans gaining maybe 40 to 50 seats now.
• 54:35
  That's right.
• 54:35
  And and and by the way, by the way, I I believe that I have a case uh, you know, to to make, and everybody else who lives in West Virginia would have this case to make to the Supreme Court, because we according to this, we would gain a seat.
• 54:52
  So we are basically disenfranchised as American citizens here in West Virginia, as well as several other states, by the way, um, because the apportionment that is including illegals in it is depriving us of a representative here in our state, and like I said, several other, you know, uh uh smaller population states.
• 55:12
  It's exactly right.
• 55:13
  So that the so it's connected, that they're both connected, the election system and the census.
• 55:18
  And I'll tell you, I I was so frustrated.
• 55:21
  Uh, you know, our group was so frustrated because why didn't they put it in the big big beautiful bill?
• 55:27
  They could have put it in the big beautiful bill.
• 55:29
  They had the votes, they could have put it in there, fix, do an immediate census and eliminate this, you know, the electronic voting, go back to paper back.
• 55:37
  It is absolutely ludicrous that our ancestors 30 years ago, 40 years ago, would know on election night who was president, who is senator, who your mayor was, who your police chief was.
• 55:49
  By 10 o'clock at night, you knew.
• 55:51
  Now we don't have just same day elections.
• 55:54
  We have like day after day after day, but yet they keep telling us these machines are making our lives better.
• 56:00
  No it the whole thing is designed to rig the system.
• 56:04
  The motivation for the Democrats um in allowing illegal immigration uh is purely designed around winning elections uh either through mail-in ballots and using straw voters, uh, you know, because I don't believe that a whole lot of illegal aliens are actually going to the polls.
• 56:23
  I think it's mostly their names are being used that's correct, or mail-in fraudulent ballots.
• 56:29
  Uh and this has been evidenced by a lot of research that's been done, including some of it by myself, uh relationships.
• 56:36
  But Nate, if you fix those two things, yeah, okay, you eliminate the whole problem of illegals because at that point they have no, they they they they can't work, they can't be here.
• 56:46
  It removes the motivation for Democrats to continue bringing them into the country.
• 56:50
  Correct.
• 56:50
  Yeah, and I agree.
• 56:51
  I do think that that's part of the problem.
• 56:54
  And uh is that we have many of them coming here uh and being brought here, you know, by uh policies that are introduced by the left because they see it as a net net win for themselves.
• 57:07
  And so we remove that, it removes the motivation for that.
• 57:11
  Well, Jack, uh, thank you again for being on the show.
• 57:14
  Where can people follow you?
• 57:16
  Um you can find me on uh telegram.
• 57:19
  Our think tank meets in a telegram room called the Connel Rad group, that's C-O-N-E-L-R-A-D, Connel Rad group.
• 57:28
  And then you could also find me on Twitter uh at MSG underscore Jack underscore Dona.
• 57:36
  And uh, if anybody uh wants to write me an email, you can drop me an email at one actual at AOL.com.
• 57:42
  That's O-N-E A C T U A L at Aol.com.
• 57:47
  Well, thanks again, Jack, to you and to all of you listeners.
• 57:51
  Until next time, this is Nate Kane signing off.