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Press Play - Pokemon: The First Movie · Fandomonium! A Fandom Comedy Game Show

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to press play, where we're going through the less
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  Speaker 1: than stellar history of video game movies. I'm Drew Shulman.
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  Speaker 1: With me is my beecheek growth Jason Wynn. Now, whether
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  Speaker 1: you're watching along or playing along, it's time to press play.
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  Speaker 2: Noah, Jason.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like we generally start to show off when
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  Speaker 1: we talk about a movie with a very simple question
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  Speaker 1: for each other, which is, are we familiar with this
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  Speaker 1: movie or video game franchise? I don't know, yes, what
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  Speaker 1: do you think?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, yes, I mean when it comes to Pokemon,
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  Speaker 2: the first movie, when it comes to Pokemon, just to scoach, just.
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  Speaker 1: A coach, a sprinkling of knowledge.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know her.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I've seen her on the bus. We've like
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  Speaker 1: locked eyes into the little cute nod. But like that's.
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  Speaker 2: Subtle, No, at least between the two of us. Pokemon,
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  Speaker 2: I would say, is one of the main reasons we've
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  Speaker 2: become friends, such good friends.
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I think the first time you
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  Speaker 1: and I like hung out, and again, given that we
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  Speaker 1: live in different countries hang out as digital, our first
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  Speaker 1: like real hangout together outside of like podcasting related stuff
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  Speaker 1: was a Pokemon battle.
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  Speaker 2: Yes on Pokemon Showdown for for listeners, the context of
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  Speaker 2: me and Drew's relationship with Pokemon is we battle each other,
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  Speaker 2: we trade, we send memes. We we guess each other's
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  Speaker 2: favorite Pokemon for fun and give each other tearless and
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  Speaker 2: compare and rate. Pokemon is in our lives now. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like I think.
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  Speaker 1: I think if you look through like our chat history
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  Speaker 1: the two of us, and like the years we've known
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  Speaker 1: each other because of like meeting on this show and
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  Speaker 1: being friends, it is like an even split between like
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  Speaker 1: podcasts related things, stupid memes usually another like fifty percent Pokemon,
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  Speaker 1: fifty percent Transformers or just Pokemon conversation period.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I feel so exposed, But on this format, in
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  Speaker 2: this show, it's a safe space.
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  Speaker 1: And I could not be exactly if anyone's listening to
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  Speaker 1: this and goes like, oh, they're Pokemon of Transformers fans.
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  Speaker 1: I'm unsubscribing. Good, we want you gone. I'm actively requesting
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  Speaker 1: you on subscribe if you disapprove of our love. Oh God,
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  Speaker 1: spreading so bad.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the beef cheek Brothers in a nutshell
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  Speaker 2: is this is the episode dude. I have referred several
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  Speaker 2: times to this movie as Church in our notes and
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  Speaker 2: it's Sunday today, on the day it was recording, and
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  Speaker 2: I feel a spirit to Pikachu, praise, Okius praise, and
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  Speaker 2: in regards to this first movie, I mean you, I've
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  Speaker 2: never worn out a VHS.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty damn close with this one. Oh yeah yeah. I
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  Speaker 1: also I'm gonna show my age here. I not only
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  Speaker 1: did I see this film in featers to the premiere,
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  Speaker 1: I want to french that up for some reason. I
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  Speaker 1: actually I tried to find it and I couldn't. If
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  Speaker 1: I will find it and I will post a photo.
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  Speaker 1: I still have my ticket for the early screening.
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  Speaker 2: Did you I know there's a promo like TCG card
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  Speaker 2: that goes sure, I have it. Also I have a
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  Speaker 2: double check.
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  Speaker 1: But I have like I have Like they were a
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  Speaker 1: little cardboard like like postcard sized cards we got that
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  Speaker 1: were like the poster of the movie and on a
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  Speaker 1: back like an invitation to see it, like early screening.
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  Speaker 2: My god, what a time to be alive. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Like that is.
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  Speaker 1: Like like I said, Pokemon, like I will even give
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  Speaker 1: them mythologizing of like I remember being a child watching
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  Speaker 1: Saturday morning TV and seeing an ad for Pokemon that
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  Speaker 1: was like zero context it was just like this bus
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  Speaker 1: driver loading a bunch of cartoon critters onto a bus
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  Speaker 1: and then like crushing the bus down and like gotta
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  Speaker 1: catch them all, and then a thing saying like next
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  Speaker 1: Sunday at like eight am, I'm watched.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like what, Yes, what is this? Yeah? I'll be honest,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think I ever watched Pokemon, the Pokemon anime
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  Speaker 2: on television ever. I think I just had VHS is
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  Speaker 2: of like specific episodes and like the first I think
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  Speaker 2: three movies on VHS as well, and I ran those
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  Speaker 2: things into the goddamn ground. Dude, I that that commercially
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  Speaker 2: that you're talking about previewed. I love that. By the way, yes,
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  Speaker 2: let's advertise the product you're about to watch, if you're
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  Speaker 2: not sold already, you dumb motherfucker.
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  Speaker 1: The marketing campaign in America for Pokemon, Like I've I've
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  Speaker 1: done a lot of reading about like like I literally
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  Speaker 1: I'm the middle of reading a book right now written
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  Speaker 1: by these two guys who are just doing kind of
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  Speaker 1: a like history of Pokemon and like why it was
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  Speaker 1: so popular, and like about the move to America and
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  Speaker 1: like wo how it happened, and like where there was
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  Speaker 1: doubts and word unexpectedly exploded. Yeah, very very fun read.
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  Speaker 1: I'll find the book and I'll put a link to
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  Speaker 1: it in the notes here. I'd love to Yeah, and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: for sure, I can't even send it to what I'm done.
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  Speaker 1: But they like they talk about how like a big
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  Speaker 1: push over to America was like cutes, he doesn't sell
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  Speaker 1: as well, like we need to like toughen things up
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. And they were shocked at how well
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  Speaker 1: it worked. They didn't think it was gonna work.
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  Speaker 2: How wrong were they? Oh my god, I mean, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: is this a good segue into the recap? Like if
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  Speaker 2: you've been living on an I don't know about it's
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  Speaker 2: so crazy. This is the first time where I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: truly I'm biased, but truly, do I need to recap this?
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  Speaker 2: Do I need to tell you about Pokemon?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like just just for due diligence in case
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  Speaker 1: there's someone out there who maybe just because of their
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  Speaker 1: age or they were a fan of the game, because again,
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  Speaker 1: the anime and the game differ, sure pretty heavily so
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  Speaker 1: for the sake of people who don't know the movie
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  Speaker 1: at least, it is a basically a longer episode of
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  Speaker 1: the animes. We follow Ashbrock and Misty along with their
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  Speaker 1: collection of Pokemon up to this point, namely a Pikachu
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  Speaker 1: being their big star, getting invited to a mysterious tournament
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  Speaker 1: to meet the Master of Pokemon Trainers, who it turns
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  Speaker 1: out is mew To, a genetically cloned Pokemon of a
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  Speaker 1: mythical Pokemon Mew who decided that hey, Pokemon being slaves
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  Speaker 1: the human that sucks. So I'm going to get rid
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  Speaker 1: of all the humans and also all the Pokemon who
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  Speaker 1: agree to this system, because I don't like you. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to make an army of clones like myself,
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  Speaker 1: and we're going to inherit the earth after a giant
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  Speaker 1: storm that kills everybody. And then finally through Ashes self
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  Speaker 1: sacrifice and the realization that it doesn't matter where you
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  Speaker 1: come from or where you were born. It's what you
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  Speaker 1: choose to do with your life and how you make
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  Speaker 1: what you make of it. That's what truly matters. You
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  Speaker 1: need to realize the wrong ways, and the day is saved.
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  Speaker 1: And because this is a cartoon and we need to
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  Speaker 1: keep the show going in some sense, they all have
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  Speaker 1: their memories wiped and it's back to the status quo.
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  Speaker 1: But we as an audience got a really good, emotional
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  Speaker 1: and amazing story that is like really amazing. And like
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  Speaker 1: the fact that the quote from me you two at
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  Speaker 1: the end I were sent written on the exact quote
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  Speaker 1: I will go look it up and say it again
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  Speaker 1: in a minute, is like legitimately used so frequently and
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  Speaker 1: it's such a powerful quote that it's like amazing that
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  Speaker 1: it came from this cartoon.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then at the very end, Ash is like, well,
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  Speaker 2: I gotta go beat the next gym.
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  Speaker 1: Yeap, just back to the status quo. Yeah, here the
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  Speaker 1: exact quote is because I love it so much, I
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  Speaker 1: see now that the circumstances of one's birth is irrelevant.
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  Speaker 1: It is what you do with the gift of life
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  Speaker 1: that determines who you are. And the fact that I
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  Speaker 1: see this post it sometimes without the attribution to Mewtoo
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  Speaker 1: or Pokemon. So maybe there's someone out there who hasn't
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  Speaker 1: seen the movie. Now you have a rough idea of
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  Speaker 1: what it's about. Yeah, I can't imagine there's someone who
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  Speaker 1: doesn't know the games.
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  Speaker 2: But just in case, Jason, just in case, Yeah, if
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  Speaker 2: you've been living under a rock. In the most literal sense,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like, if you have access to this podcast
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  Speaker 2: and you don't know what a Pikachu is, I legitimately
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  Speaker 2: do want to talk to you because people say living
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  Speaker 2: under a rock, But if you're listening to this podcast,
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  Speaker 2: you you know. But Pokemon was a role playing game
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  Speaker 2: released on the game Boy in Japan, originally in nineteen
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  Speaker 2: ninety six when I was born. I'm as old as
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  Speaker 2: Pokemon itself. Yeahature a game where you could collect Pokemon
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  Speaker 2: or little creatures that you could call your own. You
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  Speaker 2: could battle them, you could trade them with friends, and
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  Speaker 2: that's expanded out into trading cards, anime movies. Plus she's
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  Speaker 2: a walking app something where you sleep and they watch
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  Speaker 2: you sleep, or you catch them when you sleep something.
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  Speaker 2: It just doesn't end. You got to catch them all,
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  Speaker 2: or do you? Because at the moment, Pokemon is the
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  Speaker 2: highest grossing media franchise of all time. That's how big
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  Speaker 2: this is. Yep, that's insane.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it like it's the kind of thing where even like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's that joke of like, you know, your
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  Speaker 1: parents just refer to all video games as Nintendo's or
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  Speaker 1: all Pokemon as Pikachu's. Yes, Like yes, my mother gets
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  Speaker 1: a kick out of the fact that because she interacted
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  Speaker 1: with me and Pokemon so much at the young age
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  Speaker 1: that she can recognize what decent handful of the original
• 8:52
  Speaker 1: one to fifties, So whenever Pokemon kind of like because
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  Speaker 1: it does come in waves. Like she works at a daycare.
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  Speaker 1: She has kids of like like a very young like
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  Speaker 1: five to six year old, and like every few years,
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  Speaker 1: Pokemon is the hottest thing. Again, like it takes over
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  Speaker 1: whatever the other things are. And these kids come in
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  Speaker 1: and then she recognizes most of them and they're like,
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  Speaker 1: what a parent understands this? And it's like it's permeated
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  Speaker 1: the bubble so thoroughly that even people who didn't have
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  Speaker 1: Pokemon growing up but were just tangential to it have
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  Speaker 1: enough base knowledge to interact with it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's just in the daycare saying, no, you can't
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  Speaker 2: find you behind the truck. That's not an idiot. Here's
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  Speaker 2: your brain, kid.
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  Speaker 1: Come on, we're gonna talk about we think about the movie.
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  Speaker 1: I think we can both up top say this is like,
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  Speaker 1: this is this is legitimately a good movie. Like and again,
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  Speaker 1: like the the anime does differ enough from the games
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  Speaker 1: that it kind of almost feels like two different worlds. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but like this movie as a vehicle for Pokemon, as
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  Speaker 1: a vehicle for like telling a story with Pokemon is
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  Speaker 1: just it's so well done.
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  Speaker 2: It's a great movie. I really made a conscious effort
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  Speaker 2: to go in to rewatching this because I didn't have
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  Speaker 2: to rewatch this. I want the listeners to know that
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  Speaker 2: I know this movie like the back of my hand,
• 10:06
  Speaker 2: and I did not have to watch it. But I
• 10:08
  Speaker 2: tried to look at it at a critical lens because
• 10:09
  Speaker 2: the whole conceit of the show is let's look at
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  Speaker 2: the history of video game movies as they came out,
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  Speaker 2: So how does this compare to the rest? And legitimately
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  Speaker 2: trying to be critical and looking at this as an adult,
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't. I had my nostalgia classes fully on this movie. Sick.
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  Speaker 2: It's awesome. No, we're gonna get into specifics, but I
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  Speaker 2: think the biggest takeaway I have of it, just from
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  Speaker 2: a general standpoint is it's a theatrical release, which for
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  Speaker 2: an animated movie, especially back in the day, meant a
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  Speaker 2: big deal. And I don't think that the directors or
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  Speaker 2: anyone involved in the proction of this movie let that slide.
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  Speaker 2: I think they went this is a theatrical movie, and
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  Speaker 2: while this is a kid's property, we don't have to
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  Speaker 2: make it dumb by any means, which is something that
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  Speaker 2: we've been missing from the previous movies. Probably helps that
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  Speaker 2: it's in the anime world, the anime universe, which is
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  Speaker 2: its own separate thing, and so it's a continuation, as
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  Speaker 2: it were. But at the same time, the anime episodes
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  Speaker 2: himself are silly and dumb and four kids, and this
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  Speaker 2: is silly and dumb in terms of dialogue, but the
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  Speaker 2: themes did not have to go as hard as they did,
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  Speaker 2: like it's unreal.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's truly something of how they took what
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  Speaker 1: is otherwise like your classic Saturday morning cartoon show. Were like, yes,
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  Speaker 1: there is a an overarching story, so things.
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  Speaker 2: Do carry over.
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  Speaker 1: If ashcats the Pokemon in one episode, we see in
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  Speaker 1: the next. I know there was a recurring gag in
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  Speaker 1: the first season where he had caught like a dozen
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  Speaker 1: Toros for some reason, and now and now all Pokemon
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  Speaker 1: don't just go to the PC. They go specifically to
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  Speaker 1: Oak's lab just overrun with them for some reason.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, as a ranch now and he's just like, oh
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  Speaker 2: my god, But I will.
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  Speaker 1: Say there is something, and I was curious to know
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  Speaker 1: if you bring it up or not, or if you
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  Speaker 1: if you do know this fact. There was a large
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  Speaker 1: change made to this movie when it came to the Americas.
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  Speaker 2: Go I tried to find trivia about this, specifically looking
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: for one tidbit, and it seemed to come up where
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: apparently they added story. Is that correct they removed story?
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  Speaker 1: I think there was some changes, some alterations to kind
• 12:17
  Speaker 1: of make things fit a little better. But like I
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  Speaker 1: noticed for the first time because I knew this fact,
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: there is a line in the movie that references to
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  Speaker 1: this point, and like it's kind of a throw away line,
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: but when you realize the missing chunk, it actually does
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  Speaker 1: kind of like make a connection. So when and we're
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  Speaker 1: jumping ahead a bit, but like when he first brings
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  Speaker 1: out his first three clones, the chars are the Blastos
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  Speaker 1: and the Venosaur, he mentions that he also started with
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  Speaker 1: the three original starters. Yeah, and that is because there
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: is a segment of this movie that was cut because
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  Speaker 1: it made me to too much of a sympathetic villain. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: and they were afraid it wouldn't play in America. So
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  Speaker 1: there is a small chunk at the beginning of the
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  Speaker 1: movie before basically that takes the place of the narration
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  Speaker 1: we get at the beginning where we see it's almost
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  Speaker 1: like a dream world where a baby mewtwo is growing
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  Speaker 1: up with a charmander, a bulb sort.
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  Speaker 2: Of swell in this little girl.
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  Speaker 1: Oh and eventually the little girl has taken away, like
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  Speaker 1: her experiment fails and that's why he is like so
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  Speaker 1: against humanity because they took away something from him, and
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  Speaker 1: that those three starters were clones of the original ones
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  Speaker 1: that he was cloned with as well.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, I didn't know all of that, that's crazy. Yeah
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  Speaker 2: I did.
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  Speaker 1: And apparently it was thought like, oh, we're making mewtwo
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  Speaker 1: seem too sympathetic. People aren't gonna see him as the villain.
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  Speaker 1: They're gonna like understand him too much. And for a
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  Speaker 1: kid's movie, that's too complex of a concept.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't necessarily agree with that having Youtwo be
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  Speaker 2: a hardcore villain in this because he does have this
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  Speaker 2: redemption arc and he has humanity and so on and
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  Speaker 2: so forth. I still think it works. I know I
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  Speaker 2: heard that, like in the Japanese dubs, he's more sympathetic
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  Speaker 2: and it played better in the story. Again, nostalgic glasses.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's fine, but I mean two segue into
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  Speaker 2: the actual origin of this film. What a what a
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  Speaker 2: hardcore entrance. Yeah, it starts very gibli. There's like these bubbles,
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  Speaker 2: it's ethereal, there's voiceover, and there's like this peak into
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  Speaker 2: consciousness as it were, Right, there's this entire origin for
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  Speaker 2: this individual that just goes so hard. What did I
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  Speaker 2: I think I had a note here that said, just
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  Speaker 2: a Pokemon committing murder to human beings in the first
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  Speaker 2: ten minutes is so raw, Like it's so it's crazy
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  Speaker 2: to open on that.
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  Speaker 1: Like this show, Like again, it was so kid friendly
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  Speaker 1: that like, yes, I know, I think there were episodes
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: that were like altered for American release because they like
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: reference guns and they'd want to have guns and a
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: kid's show and like whatever. But so it was made
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  Speaker 1: very like kid friendly in every way. It could like
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  Speaker 1: no one ever really died or got hurt. But then like, legit,
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  Speaker 1: this is like I'm gonna blow up a lab, killing
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  Speaker 1: hundreds of people. The fact that the scientists are basically
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  Speaker 1: like faceless, nameless, shadowy people, like I think we see
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  Speaker 1: like one of them for a minute, but otherwise they're
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  Speaker 1: all like they're always like purposely that kind of like
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  Speaker 1: that thing the anime does, were like their shadow from
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  Speaker 1: like the hairline down to the nose, right, yeah, like
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  Speaker 1: kind of giving the events like they're just evil menacing
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  Speaker 1: representation of humanity and like the worst of it. And
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  Speaker 1: like it does again it makes it easier to swallow
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  Speaker 1: the pill of me two killing them because they kind
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: of were assholes. But like at the same time, it's
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  Speaker 1: just like, you're right, it's a Pokemon hardcore murdering people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's not only is the
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  Speaker 2: hardcore murdering people. In the span of ten minutes, we
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: get a tight origin story that explains so's there's a
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: montage for a bit as well, but it succinctly says
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: this individual has been enslaved by humans, which, to be fair,
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: is the entire conceit of the franchise. Is yes, animals
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: being used for humans, which I have a note for later.
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  Speaker 1: Same, we'll get to it later. Yeah, yeah, that's definitely
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  Speaker 1: that is my only gripe with the movie. And again
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: it's the small is great.
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  Speaker 2: We will say yeeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, if we had
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  Speaker 2: to be critical, but a children's movie. But yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: it's it's it's played so well. It's the music, it's
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  Speaker 2: the speed of it. It's they didn't pull back on
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  Speaker 2: the animation at all. He breaks for fire, the armor
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  Speaker 2: that they put on him fucking raw.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: It's so yeah, Yes, I'm again like just in the
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: I have so much Pokemon memorabilia. I think my dog
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: may have destroyed it. But I had a figure of
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: the mew two in the armor, and it was like, oh,
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: among my group of friends who are Pokemon friends, like
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: that was the like holy grail of coolness was having that.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: Yes, I thought you were gonna say, I my dog
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: destroyed it. But I put my dog in the armor.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: I three D printed some armor and I hooked it
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: up to some tubes that they do not tell me
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: that thing was fairal.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Uh, oh my god. Okay, I think we do have
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: to touch on real quick. So is the name mewtwo
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: is kind of a bum name.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: Like well, as a kid, I did have a cat
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: named Daisy two. It was the kitten of my cat Daisy.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: Looking back on it, I cannot tell you one hundred
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: percent sure whether or not Daisy two even was a girl.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Could have been a boy, and so that is funny.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: I do like that.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: I had a coworker back in the day. She was
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: talking about her poor cat was getting a little older,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: was nearing the end of his life, and we were
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: just like, oh, what a cute cat, this beautiful white cat.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, what's his name? And she goes, Oh,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: his name's mewtwo, and I'm like, excuse me, I don't know.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: She's like, I don't know what that is. One of
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: my net one of my grandchildren named the cat, and
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: I just sleid it so and I'm just like she was.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: She was an older woe when she was like my
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: mother a little yeah. Yeah, but like, so this older
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: woman I worked with had a cat named mewtwo. She's like,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: I know it was named after a video game character
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: that my grandkids liked, but that's all I know. And
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I love this. I love this so much.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: That's awesome. She also had a dog named Garbage or
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: she didn't understand, and again we said that with because
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: I fucking love garbage or that things. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: So I recently watched Sonic the Hedgehog three and it
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: occurred to me how much mewtwo's voice actor in the
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: American release has the Keanu Reeves vibe to it.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, and like.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Legitimately, if you told me Kilanu Reeves did the voice
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: of mewtwo, or if ever redid it and they had
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Kanu do it, I'd be like, I fully believe that.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: In fact, I am willing to bet that when he
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: got cast a shadow and he was like, what is
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: another badass villain in a video game movie that I
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: could use to model my voicing? After he chose me,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: you two in this movie because it is eerially close.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: That's fair, that's super fair mewtwo is And again that's
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: why I like him as a as a villain. I
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: think it's cool. He's a psychic Pokemon with godlike abilities
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: who's been tortured. I think him saying lines like this
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: cannot be my destiny is oh.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: God like years old. When this came out, I can't,
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: I can't separate it. I'm so sorry you hard. Oh yeah,
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: a spoiler alert, it's me number one too. It's to
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: be able to pop that list for quite some fucking time.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Like I think we we we had the conceit of
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: doing the high score table thing and then I forgot.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this is gonna be number one for like
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: one hundred years. It's just a race to number two from.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Here on out. Exactly.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: I think we almost like I think we honestly need
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: to like do something special for this one, not let
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: it count. Well, we'll talk after the show, but like,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: this could be this could be an issue. We're gonna
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: get top six just so this spot, we're talking to
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: people who know about evy values and trade.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: I'm just two dudes, We're only two men. Fucking Oh
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: my god, yeah, no, I I can't stop gushing about this.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: The montages is super sick power levels mewtwo very quickly,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: and then we skip ahead to like, all right, that's
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: the villain origin. That's awesome, and then it also does
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: another opening phantas.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, Giovanni coming in. He's been set up as the
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: villain and we know what he is. Yeah, and just
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: to see him immediately like take advantage of mewtwo being like, oh,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: you want to get better and you want to like
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: get revenge, join me, and then immediately be like, no,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: I tricked you. I'm taking over. I'm in charge. You're
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: a Pokemon, I'm a human. The dynamic is the way
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: it works. Didn't you should have known that you're an idiot?
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: And again I'm like, like, first of all, I don't
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: know what's crazier the idea of Okay, I've gotten seven
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: of my badges. I fought a bunch of really tough Pokemon.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Let me and my team go to the last gym.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: What is this weird ironclad super Pokemon I ever seen
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: that can one shot everything? This is confusing.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Imagine being a ten year old kid.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Me and my ryet horn are gonna make it to
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: the league crushed.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: But I like Ganger. Ganger is my favorite Pokemon. That's
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: a ghost poison type, you bitch, that has nothing against mewtwo.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: He's a psychic type. Learn your type beings, you idiot.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: And then we transition hardcore, and I think this is
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: a great choice as well. Tranquil scene. It's Ash and
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: as friends. Now it's something familiar, you know, it's it's
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: it's a it's an adorable scene. Pikachu and Tokop are
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: the cutest save ever. Oh yeah, and might ever will
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: be uh an Ash does a classic Battle two the
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: theme song remixed as like an R and B situation.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, god, it's so good. Yeah, the music is
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: so good.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, like it gives us the theme that if
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: you're a fan of the franchise you know and love,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: it gives it a different bit of a swing, So
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: it doesn't just it feels like almost more amped up,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Like it definitely doesn't have the same power as Mortal
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Kombats theme does. But as like a fan of the
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: cartoons at the time, it's like, oh my god. Yeah,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: and then it's like, oh, but it's kind of different.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: I'm yeah, yeah, even before the music kicks in, Like
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: something that I think gets overlooked here is let's pretend
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: you are coming into this movie having never watched the
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: cartoon for some reason. Within like the few seconds we
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: get of Ash, Misty and Brock, they kind of do
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: a good job of just giving you like, here's what
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: you need to know about them. Like Ash is a
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: little bit lazy, a little bit silly, but like Pokemon
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Battles is always number one, Brock is like, let me
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: take care of you guys and kind of be a
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: little bit more of the adult. But then we also
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: get the moment where he's like, you know, flirting with
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: the projection of a woman in the little card there,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: and then we kind of get Misty is kind of
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: like the I'm gonna nag you a little bit, like
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: kind of like a little bit of like annoying mom
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: energy mom friend, but like like still kind of part
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: of the banter and not as adulty as Brock is.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Uh, And then again the music kicks in, we get
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: our first battle of the series.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: It's a perfect opening, and we get a new Pokemon.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: You're sitting here in the theater as a kid going like, yeah,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: I've played the games. I know all the Pokemon, like,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I know who you two is, I know who me
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: is even and then fucking Dawn fan shows up and
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: you're like, excuse me, what is this a new Pokemon?
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Uh. The anime has a recurring bit of doing this,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: which absolutely to your point. It's all marketing, right. I
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: think Leazekin showed up in the Gen two anime like
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: really early on, just to be like, hey, this is
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: coming up. I forgot about that. Yeah yeah, because Hoo
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: appears in the very first episode of the anime, which
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: is referenced. But then Tokope is also Pokemon, which people
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: often forget because of the anime.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's one of those. It's one of the
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: things I bugged my wife. She was like, I don't
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: I only know the first one hundred and fifty, Like,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know anything down the one fifty. I'm not
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: a big fan. And I'm like, your favorite Pokemon's a
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Gen two Pokemon. Okay, your favorite Pokemon's Toga p Nerd.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: You're married to me, your nerd? Yeah, shut up?
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: And then also like again, we also kind of skipped it,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I guess because neither of us.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: I don't think we watched it or brought it up.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: But like when this movie did air, as like most
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: of the movies have for the last while, there's a
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: little like Pikachu and Friends short before the movie.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, was it part of the theatrical lease? Because
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: I did not watch it as part of the theatrical lease,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: I did not include it because it was included in
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: the VHS DVD as a short.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Prehand, Yeah, I think it played in theaters beforehand. But
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: it was really like, it's kind of like Pixars like
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: shorts before their movies, Like it's just a little thing
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: in place of a longer trailer for something else, but
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: that one also introduces I believe Merril for the first time.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Oh that's right, yes, yeah.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Like yes, it's marketing. It's let's show you the next
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: toy because it's going to be coming to shelves soon.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: But for world building's sake of just like letting us
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: understand that the world is bigger than what we know.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I think it's such a cool mechanical version of this
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: for sure. I think it for the hardcore fans, it's
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: like look at it, Dawn fan. For the newbies, it's
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: like Pokemon yeah, which is fine, which is cool. I
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: think more importantly as well, during the opening scene we
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: get what is succinctly a Pokemon battle. I think it
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: also introduces that concept super succinctly. It just goes, listen,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: this is what it is, and Ash is really good
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: at it. That's part of this too, is this suspensively disbelief.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: It's the disconnecting from the games that have much more
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: linear power. We're scaling and like yeah, stats and numbers
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: to like the anime where it is a lot more
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: free bawling, Like there's definitely a list of Pokemon who
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: like use moves they shouldn't be able to, or like
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: weird combinations of attacks that don't make sense.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like again, you have like fastic note about this
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: in particular where you're like in the anime, I think
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: you say it's about your bonds, not so much the
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: game statistics, which I think a lot of people love
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: the Pokemon franchises for. We're unfortunate in the sense that
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: we know too much. But the regular sho is going
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: to be like, I love ev It's cute, uh, and
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: I love it and so therefore if I love it enough,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: it will do well. And that's probably the appeal for
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: most people. Fortunately know things about like which tms came
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: out in which generations and what typing they are. You
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: know more than me. I'll put this out here. I'll
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: admit it. Drew has beaten me every single time. I'm uh,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: we've played Pokemon.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: I will say I think it was our first match
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: literally came down to you gotta miss and I got
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: a critical and that like swung the battle because had
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: you like yours were better. Man, there you my anime
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: protagonist energy took over.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: The last seme. Yeah, I whip and beat my Pokemon,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: and therefore.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: You're putting that hardness on your Sandstrew, So.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: It has to work harder. I have an electric collar
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: on my needle. Queens worse Pokemon to choose that makes
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: it sound like I'm into it.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Choose a different one, but also putting an electric collar
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: on a ground type Pokemon. Didn't you just discuss this,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: although according to this movie it might be a water
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: type all right?
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah. Another thing that that comes up is I
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: think this is the introduction of Delivery Dragon Knight, which
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: for the fans is like a weird little trop dragon
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: knightes just love sending mail.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: But on top of being introduced in Delivery dragon Kite,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: who's become kind of a like staple of the franchise,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: is cute little like icon, we also get our theatrical
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: premiere of Team Rocket.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, would you you love? I also love They're great assigns. Yeah.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: I think they were more annoying in the anime. Here
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: they do a great job of being both comedic foil
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: and the audience they're just like, hey, what's this that's
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: going on?
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: They really kind of act as that like audience stand
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: in of like I don't know what's happening. Let's exposition
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: it without being as blunt as it could be. I
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: guess yeah, and again, I genuinely I think even in
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: the anime when they were annoying, there was kind of
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: a charm to them. Like I think people of Joe
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: tell like sure, like they were drag queens for kids
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: before we had drag queens. Like every time they dress up,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: they always gender swopt it. It was like, I mean,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: you clearly had the male outfit and the female euffit
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: you opted to switch, Like, I'm fully on board with it,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: but like you knew what you were doing queens.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: I yeah, Unfortunately, I'm a I'm a boring sis straight male.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: But I imagine for like the LGBT community, there's been
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: a bunch of interpretations for Jesse and James, like are
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: they a couple? Are they not? Either way, it's like, oh,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: they're just two people who don't fit the gender or
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: sexual norms who have a relationship of some sort with
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: each other, and that's awesome, and people really clung onto that.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were like, like I genuinely think I did
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: at some point go back and watch that like last
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: two or three episodes of the anime where they actually
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: fully like retired Ash as a character. Yeah, but like
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: I remember even Team Rawckett has a really adorable send
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: off and like a very heartfelt goodbye with him of
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: like because they also left the show effectively, so they
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: also got there goodbye, but they did all the cute terms.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I kind of love this because, like,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: as much as they were the antagonists in the cartoon,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: for the most part, they were like when like it
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: really push came to shove, they kind of knew to
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: be on the right side of things, Like they were
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: ultimately good guys, just like forced to do evil because
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: it was the only job they could get kind of thing.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, oh they were, Yeah, they were. They were
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: a great uh supporting cast and they're really really great
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: in this. There's a scene later where they dresses Vikings
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: to pick friends up, which, looking as an adult, You're like,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: that's ridiculous and how did these kids trust them? But
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: also knowing the Pokemon world, you're like, no, people, people
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Vikings could exist for sure. Yeah, it's just a Pokemon
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: trainer archetype like it happens, you know. Oh yeah.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: I think the more important part is the fact that
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Ashton makes a joke about most Vikings still being from Minnesota,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: and it's like, as a child, totally obviously missed that joke.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: As an adult, I only know that it's a reference
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: to a sports team. I couldn't even tell you what
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: sport the Minnesota Vikings. I think it's football.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: You're adorable, and I'm not the person to ask.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Good point, But also like, so is it canon that
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: like Minnesota exists in the Pokemon world.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: That's a great Yeah, that's that's where all the tour are. Honestly,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: is that is that the cheese place? Or is that Wisconsin?
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: I also don't know, Oh wait, I don't.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I think I think both get pretty closely related to cheese.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: But just get those like those provinces in the in
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: the that like border Canada kind of thing.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Get like a cheese rep. Both have strong affiliations with
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: the product cheese. Yes, there you go, milk tanks such
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: and such.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: There you go, There you go. There's a there's a
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: fan favorite Pokemon right there. I think nothing's a meme
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Pokemon if there ever was one.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're your fan favorite, not my fan favorite.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: I do love me a good glass of milk.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. I'm one of those weirdos. She
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: drinks milk.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Regularly like a normal person. Read from that what you will.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: So there is a point here, obviously, So we finally
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: do get introduced to me you for a little bit
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: here just the cutest thing to ever exist, Like you
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: literally said, how do we make the cutest Pokemon ever
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: as the like antagonist to this movie villain? And they
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: succeeded tenfold? Like I would commit war crimes for me
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: if he asked me to.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: You do love? You do love a pink Pokemon as well,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: So I one hundred percent I think that you would
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: and are not joking. Yeah, the Pokemon are the cutest again, Toko,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: p Pikachu, and Mew are some of the cutest Pokemon
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: has ever been, which is an awesome just position because
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: you have a Pokemon has fully committed to genocide, like
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: he's he's ready, he's that's his entire plan. There's no
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: subtlety to it at all. So I love that juxtaposition,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: and it's a great when they have their conversation later
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: and it's mewtwo like, So what you're saying is because
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: It's the deep philosophical human voice. I understand the power
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: of life and destiny.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's like articulated tones where it's like mew
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: me me, me, me me.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: And you're like, you know, I never thought about that
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: with pi Aristo, I Love even MEA does it later
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: in the movie too, with the Cloneia who can't speak,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: which is the meowing and the oh yeah I agree
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: with let me repeat what you just said for the audience.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: It's the perfectly because it's not played for comedy. It's
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: very clear, but it's it's exactly what this movie does
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: right where it's goes, no, this is incere. Uh, these
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: two Pokemon are having a conversation. It's absolutely sincere, and
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: one is fucking adorable and the other one is just
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: translating so that we understand what's going on. But it's
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: a it's a deep because me is the first Pokemon?
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Is that lore? That's its classification? Yeah, it's I mean
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: that's one of those jokes you always see, is like,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: who's really the first Pokemon? Is it? You both? It's like, well,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: technically yeah, right, and so conceivably it is a god.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: It has lived for eons or millennia or whatever, so
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: it probably is super wise. Oh yeah, just also adorable,
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Like it never really.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Hit me till right, now. But like the idea of
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: having one of the most like up to this point,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: the most like villainous, heinous, powerful, bad ass Pokemon being
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: rivaled by something that is obstensibly the cutest little plush
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: companion ever and they are on equal footing, I think
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: is so emblematic of this franchise of like it was just.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: About to say the same welcome to Pokemon, where Oddish
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: and Agaron are on the same wavelength. There is no right,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: there is no wrong. You can have a buzz swool
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: and you could have a peach you or a Klepha.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: That's one I've never I'm not named yet.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: It's awesome. It's the state exactly. I also do want
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: to mention before we get past this little opening segment
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: because I think we're gonna move on to the island
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: soon and talk about everything there. It never occurred to
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: me again trying to like pay a little more attention
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: to this movie, thinking like, I know I've seen that
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: a thousand times, like you have. Right when the harbor
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: gets shut down and the harbor Master, who's like again
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: it's like badass women. We get like two scenes of
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: and she's like super well voice acted. Yes, tells the
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: legend of the storm that like nearly wiped out the
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: world in all humanity, and it was the tears of
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Pokemon that like save the land. We legit get foreshadowing
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: to the tears Seed at.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: The end of the movie. I'll be honest with you,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: and this is this is the level of intelligence that
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Jason works at. I saw your note. I watched this
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: as an adult. I still ignored her because that's a
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: As a kid, every time she was on the TV,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: I was like, SNAr, skip fast forward.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's exactly the point.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Though.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: It's like it's again like this movie was made for kids.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: So the fun part is the Pokemon battles is the
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: adventure is like the action scenes. Yeah, they're like having
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: these little moments like the conversation with the mouth and
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: the clone meuth. It's like just as impactful as me
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: and you who's conversation. By that point, As a kid,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: you're kind of like, hey, like we got through the action.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: I want to get to the resolution now. Yeah, it's cool.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: This is banter. I can skip almost.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Because I'll be honest, like, it is cool. It is foreshadowing.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: It's it's nice to add gravitas to this world and
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: what the events is currently happening. If you also cut
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: it out of the movie, I don't think it gets
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: affected by any means.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I could see a world where like if
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: they wanted to like quickly put this on TV as
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: got made for TV movie and like cut down for
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: more ad time, you could remove those little chunks and
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: just have like the big blockbuster beats for kids, and
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: like they would still enjoy it and it would still
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: mostly make sense without some of the like deeper contacts
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: and meaning and like learning.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of action sequences, right after this follows an
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: action sequence where they get picked up by the Vikings.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: It's a storm. They have to get to the island, right,
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: And as an adult, I feel for these children. I'm like,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: this is dangerous. Don't do that. That's crazy. Yeah, But
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: also there's this line where when they finally do make
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: it to the island, Nurse Joy spoiler alert, the attendant
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: for the island as it were. She says, only the
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: trainers capable of braving this storm were able to make it.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: And then brocos, do you mean that storm with some
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: kind of test? And I was like, no, I think
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: those people died is what I think kids died, dude.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: I think I think trainers attempted it, didn't make it,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: and they're just dead.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: I just yeah, I mean, like I really right now.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: My thought was always like, oh, they just didn't try
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: to cross, so they were too chicken. Sure, and anyone
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: who tried seemingly made it. But yeah, there's I never
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: loved it. There's probably people who tried and did not
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: make it.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Not every once in ash sometimes you black out in
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: or sorry they call it white out, yes, and you
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: get magically put to the Pokemon thing. But if mewtwo
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: can commit murder to humans, I think kids totally died
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: in this storm. That's my Yeah.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: I mean he made the storm, the storm he like
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: he Brock was right, it was a test. It was
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: to only get the best trainers there, which again, like
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: I don't, I guess he wanted like only the best
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Pokemon to clone kind of thing was his logic, but like, sure,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: I would have just lett more people come, like more
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Pokemon for me to clone, and if they're not perfect Pokemon,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: they're still my clones that I could like you're taking
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: to the future with me, But okay.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: But then you also don't on that like a youngster Joey,
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: what is he gonna do is swim on a ratita?
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: What an idiot? Hey would that?
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Those radia stats, it probably could.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Have made it maybe e Radicate, but no.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: I feel like Eradicate could learn surf in the original game,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: so technically it would be possible.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: This is the part where we get too much stemantics
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: and we use it's like could I google this or
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: can this? When we lose our audience because we're nerds,
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: this is brutal.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: And this is also where like I will say, like,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: let's actually tangent off that to the nerd side of things.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Is the movie much like the anime in the past.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: It's like it's not perfect, like there's clearly discrepancies beyond,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: just like things that don't always make sense, like oh,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: there is the trainer who gets to the island and
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: goes like, yeah, of course I made it. All My
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: pokemon are water type pokemon. And we see his gold
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: duck as they poorion, his geara dose and his needle queen.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah she's blue. Okay.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: It's like like I'm wondering. It's always like the is
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: this just like a mistake by the people who made
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: the movie, and they threw a line in not realizing
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: it or is this kid actually that bad but somehow
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: that good as a trainer. This needle Queen is just like, yeah,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: I'm totally a watertime check out these water moves.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: I can use earthquake.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: And I was just saying that I do know for
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: fact because my needle Queen was was my surf bitch
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: for a while.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Oh oh god, I only know that because of Pokemon Stadium.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yes, you're absolutely right. There's another mistake
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: where they have a who's that Pokemon? As a reference
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: anime they have I think you had a note of it.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they show cytherer and they say Alexas And again,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: this might just be Team Rocket not being that good
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: at knowing their stuff because which is canonically they're pretty silly. Yeah,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: so I kind of like probably a mistake from like
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: the production side of things, but like in universe, I
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: totally buy that.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And then here's like from here on now,
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, the movie's been kind of serious, but it's
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: laid out some groundwork, et cetera, et cetera. But here
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: on now it plays almost like a horror film in elements.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: It's really serious. It's the I would say. It gets
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: into the third act essentially of like setting up this island,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: mewtwo is revealed as our antagonist to the protagonist. There's
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: a segment where one of the trainers finds out that
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: the greatest Pokemon Master is a Pokemon and he goes,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: a Pokemon can't be a Pokemon Master, no way, which
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: feels very racially charged, which I guess is the point.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: It feels weird when he says it. But then also
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: I'm like, but actually, in real life, if you saw
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: a horse be a cowboy, you'd also be like, fuck,
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: is that what's going on there, Bud? Or if you
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: saw like a dog walking dogs, he'd be like, that's
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: not right. I'm gonna call that out.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Like, but then on the other side of things, I
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: think of like sheep hurting dogs is based on mew
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: two is doing here.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: He is just one.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: He has a slightly more powerful species of like mammals
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: like hurting other smaller mammals that he has, like it's
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: the human animal divide. It becomes the bigger issue of
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: like picturing a like horse on its hind legs with
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: a cowboy hat, and like, and I'm like, yeah, that
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: is one a D and D character i'd play, but
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: two scary as fuck, right, one of those things that
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: like as a child, legitimately creeped me out, and like
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: even going back to it, it doesn't creep me out
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: as much anymore, but like it reminds me of the
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: feeling I had as a child, is when the clones
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: first all just the whole tube system being like weirdly
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: malleable and like squishy and almost flesh like I feel,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: and the very vibes, yes, and like the whole machine
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: is like dark basement, these giant tubes that seems very creepy.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: And the way they like melt out of the bases.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: It's not like it opens and they walk out it
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: literally like they like melt out of it like some
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: sort of weird monster in a like a mutant like
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: body horror movie. And it's like, yes, that was it
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: just added to the creepy element of these clone Pokemon.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: I'm honestly super glad that you made a note about this, because,
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: putting on my adult hat here trying to analyze it,
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: I think it's a great juxtaposition. It could be the
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: intention of the film, it could not be. But I
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: think the point of it is is that mew two
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: has taken on this role of I will clone pokemon
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: who will do my bidding, but they are genetically superior
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: in your inferior Pokemon who have chosen to do your bidding.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: He was also in attest tube and he broke free
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: his like like his ascension into the world was very violent,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: whereas when they're berthed and it's very like it feels
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: very organic, right They Yeah, they're almost berved out of
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: these tubes. It's not a breaking of glass or anything
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: like that. Their immediate response is to then just fight
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: and go get their master. So I think it's a
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: good juxtaposition of like mewtwo fought and a free will
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: broke out of his tube, whereas these Pokemon had no
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: free will and were berved into life under enslavement and period.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: And there's like this creepy slow tone and there's suspense
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: in it and they just let it ride. And I
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: think that's so cool because I think it says what
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: like the absolute irony of mew two is that he
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: thinks he's better. He's honestly not only his oppressors, he's worse,
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: he's making a life for these Pokemon who had no choice,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: even if they are genetically superior. So I I loved
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: your note on that, and it made me think a
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: little bit harder about that scene.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's like the nice thing with
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: this movie is like there is room to read into it.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Like I think there's always the like, oh, you can
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: read too much into something, or you're like you're putting
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: your ideas on things that aren't actually there, which one
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: I think is very important to do in media because
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: even if it wasn't the intent of the creator, the
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: ability to see something in a creation is you as
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: the viewers, right. Yeah, And the fact that this movie
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: does have these moments where like, yeah, there's this great juxtaposition,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: as you've said, like of having mewtwo who thinks that
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: you know, like the fact that humans enslaved Pokemon is
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: the problem. That's why he needs to rewrite the world.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: But he's just sort of doing the same thing, but
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: because he's doing it in a different way, he thinks
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: he's right. It's it is a really good, like eye
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: opening scene that really like on a rewatch like this
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: as an adult or past rewatches as an adult has
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: stood out to me.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it doesn't need to go that hard. It
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: really truly didn't need to think about it that hard,
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: if that was the intention or not. Ultimately there's like
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: very clearly there's irony and need too finds that out
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: through Catharsis later, but yeah, it's it takes itself seriously, Yes,
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: says this is just because it is about Chicka Retas
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: and and klferis. We don't have to be dumb about it.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Like you said before, like there are scenes that probably
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: could have been cut from the movie that like are
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: only there to add to the atmosphere and the feeling,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Like had the scene just been like mut and this
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: is where does speak the line that he also was
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: raised with the three or other starters, it kind of
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: becomes a throwaway line until you realize the missing chunk
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: from the Japanese intro of the movie, Right, but how
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: you just said that? And then the door opened up
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: and the three of them walked out with like their
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: weird markings to show that they're different. The movie would
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: have done the same thing, but we get that extra
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: moment of seeing them in these cloning tanks, seeing them
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: like come out and go to their master. Yeah, like
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: the ads to it in a very like eerie way.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Honestly, all the exposition that the Team Rocket does,
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: the kind of live commentary of it all isn't necessary.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: It adds because it's a kid's movie and you have
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: to dumb that down a bit. But had you cut
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: out that those lines, you still get what the story
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: beats are. Yeah, just from the visuals of that and stuff.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: So that's that's really good. I mean, from here on
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: out again, it just it just rams up. There's this
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: moment where all the Pikacha, all the Pokemon, I almost
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: did my mom where I'm like, all the Pokemon are
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: being abducted and man, even as an adult, there's a
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: scene where Pikachu specifically is being du ash is just
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: he does all his best. He's using his body to
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: protect this Pokemon. Pikachu's the voice actress on Pigachu is absurd,
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: man like oh panting the exasperation as each like lightning
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: Bulk gets weaker and weaker. It is heart wrenching. It's horrifying, dude, wholeheartedly.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: One of the most amazing action scenes of this movie
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: is just that Pikachu running away. Yeah, but you're right,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: it's the voice acting. Being able to express so much
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: through just the little sounds of Pikachu can make Yeah,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: just the peakas and the chews and being able to
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: emote so much. That's why I felt like some voice
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: actors who are so well known for doing their like
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: sounds of other animals or creatures, are just so impressive
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: because like, you can get so much across in just
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: like noises. It's amazing work. They got to do more
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: of less.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know more about that world, but I totally agree.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: It's fascinating and it's on inspiring and it adds to
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: the atmosphere of a movie, which is what it's supposed
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: to do. The third act of this film, I legitimately
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: think is one of the best third act action sequences
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: of all time, which sounds crazy coming from Pokemon, the
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: first movie I'm not a big fan of. The third
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: act is just in action sequence. There's a couple of
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: movies that have burnt that out for me, Matrix the Revolution,
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: the third one is one of those where it's just like,
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: oh my god, this is forever long. This has nothing
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: to do with anything. This one it has everything to
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: do with everything. It's like you're just watching Pokemon duke
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: it out with their duplicates. They're exasperated. In a similar sense,
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: it's the music just goes fucking hard for no reason, dude,
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: it's so emotional. There is one line though, that as
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: I was writing that note, I heard it and I went,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: that just broke the entire conceit of this movie. Yep.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: So I'm pretty sure referring to the line that Nurse
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Joy says, the Pokemon aren't meant to fight, not like this,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: not like this. Wait, we want them to fight, and
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: that's I think. So I will say, like as much
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: as I I will attempt to defend this line a
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: little bit and I'll get that, I will oh right
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: away say, like in the Ultimate Judgment, like, you're right,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: the lesson this movie is trying to teach, like, while
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: it also has like mewtwo's whole understanding and learning and
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: growing and like, yeah, we're promoting the bonds of people
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: in Pokemon and people making their own choices and like
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: how you use your life and making your own destiny
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: and all very right, right, the fact that they try
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: to do that by showing us fighting is bad in
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: a franchise that basically lives and dies on Pokemon fighting
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: each other is is a miss?
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Like it really is a miss. Oh dude, I practice
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: eugenics when I play these games. We both do to
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: fucking line.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Oh god, the amount of fucking Pokemon IVY release because
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: they only had five perfect ivs and not all six.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: I like to imagine, like in the fiction of the games,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: the number of like whatever Pokemon that one trainer's shiny
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: hunting and there's just an influx of them running around
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: the countryside, Like why are there thirty thousand totop in
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: my backyard?
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: Sir?
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: That's why Professor hokus to take care of thirty toros.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Ash was just like, dude, it keeps having a lax personality.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Meets me Adam in bro up to tack Low special
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: attack man.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: He's like, please, Ash, my food bills are so high.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: So this is where the line I mentioned earlier that
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: I kind of want to go back to is yes,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: and I think that's where And it's hard to make
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: a real world comparison. The best I come up with is,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: like is pro sports. It's like, yes, if bear with me,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: and I'm not a sports guy, I know, but like
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: you watch football players run into each other, hit each
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: other like play and like it's a game. They are
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: doing this. Yes, they're getting paid, Yes they have the fame.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Yes there's all the reasons to do it, but they're
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: not doing it because I hate the other physical person
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: and need them to suffer.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Whereas this goes from Pokemon. We even see it when
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Pokemon get knocked out, they get the swirly eyes, they
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: fall over, and then they come back and they're fine,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: and like I I've seen its, like I've seen like
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: the theories before, like explaining how like oh, when they're
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: using their moves, like yes, it's causing them like tiredness,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: but it's not causing them physical pain or harm the
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: way we think of like fighting soecuted, I don't give
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: a shit that hurts, But that's like things like you
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: never see a Pokemon like get electrocuted and be like
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: I can't like like the way you will, like if
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: you electrocuted you or I and you'd be like what
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: the fuck this has to be done now?
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think like Carmander that has like lasting brain
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: damage and you're like, ooh, that's that's brutal. Yeah, Like
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: famously the old episode where Ash gets his Charmander and
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: like if the fire goes out, it'll die.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: But like we've seen charas Ar, Charmelion Charmander get hit
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: with water attacks a dozen times. But because it's in
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: this combat where whether it's like yes, there is a
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: limit to how much they can handle before they get
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: too tired and faint, it's never doing lasting damage to
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: them in a sense.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Mm hm.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Like you never see post combat going to a gym
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: with like a Pokemon, like literally on the verge of death.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: It's just ohould fainted, heal it real quick. The Tarmander
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: in the rain was like it needs a medical attention now,
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, no, absolutely right. Yeah, it's a
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: good defense. That's it. And I think the while I
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: disagree with the point I am making, I think it
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: is ultimately a stupid like differentiation to make. I think
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: what they're trying to go for here is because me
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: two like turned off their powers. They're just fighting for
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: fighting sake. R. It's it's why they are actually getting
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: tired so quickly, why they are like injured, like like
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Like great point, Like you see the Pikachu,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: like the Pikachu fight where it's just like I'm slapping
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: you like a dozen or so times and like, y, yeah,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Pikachu's getting hurt and suffering, but the other clone is
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: getting super tired and exhausted because it's not using its abilities.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: It's physically exerting itself in a way that it doesn't
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: have to fight normally.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, it's okay. True, we're not on pandemonium.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: This isn't this is this is We're not on trial.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: It's okay. But in the end, you are right.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: I think the the conceit of this film being like
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: fighting is wrong in a sense, and then to immediately
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: go back to well, back to fighting is like, yeah,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: like that is that is my only brekface movie is like, well,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: I can explain it away from my own sanity. It's
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: clearly stupid.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: And then the very final thing I think I'll say
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: about the movie and to critique or make a note
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: of is the end scene. It's kind of a flip
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: that the animal, the pet, does not make a sacrifice
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: for its master. The master makes a sacrifice, and it's
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: heart wrenching. Dude, Like again, as well as a kid,
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: it was always heart wrenching as an adult, it's still
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: heart wrenching, like listening to Pikachu with all the emotions
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: you can with a Buika like lot, like grieve in
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: denial over its owner, its friend, and then everyone's tears
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: gather despite in this world like a chancey could have
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: been an easy fix. Seriously, yeah, if you two has
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: crazy psychic powers, this could have been fine. Oh yeah,
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: so cheesy, But watching it in itself and experiencing it,
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: I give it a pass.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: It's beautiful, like it's it's a it's it's it's it's
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: that thing where it's it's so cheesy, but like you
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: could picture yourself as a child with your starter Pokemon
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: from Pokemon Red or Blue and like seeing them suffer
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: and throwing yourself in the way to save them and
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: the them grieving you. Like you know that's real because
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: you felt that with your first Pokemon for.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Sure, Dude, Like I I leveled up that charge so
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: hard that it was my only guy. It just it
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: just soloed everything.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we've we've all, we've all been to like
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: final final Champion Lands of Lead four fights and like
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: my charge are Gent'll just take down most of your ship, man,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: Like I'm sorry, dude, I know you've got three Dragon Knights,
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: all of them have illegal moves because they're leveling.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna wreck you, buddy. Yeah, this thing's
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: a level one hundred. I've only yes.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: But also just one of those moments I never really
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: clicked until today. We'll rewatch in this the other day.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: He's at the end of the movie, togoy pomps out
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: of the bag like you've just been asleep in Missy's
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: bag in this entire movie. Didn't get abducted by mew
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: Two's like weird ball things like this new Tobe not
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: know about. Yeah, he's like, that's not a Pokemon.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: I'm a Jen Wonner. Don't have to get game data
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: for that.
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: No.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Sorry, it's just a baby. What are you gonna do?
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: I also love because I actually one of the episodes
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: I had on VHS was Tokeyp's burthing. I do love
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: that the convention that they just went you can't say
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: tocop all the time, so it just sits there and
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: goes pre pre like it's so cute. It's it's it
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: is it is again.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: It is one of those like they knew what they
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: were doing with some of these Pokemon designs, like we
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: just want like something stupidly cute to hatch from this egg. Yeah,
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: and the fact that, like of all the Pokemon, it
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: uses part of his egg, like it's it's so damn cute.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: It's oh. One of my favorite gifts I've ever received
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: is a Pokemon egg pin in the style of Tokope,
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: which you can get at Boxless Pins uh ooh dot
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: com slash boxless Pins. I believe, Oh, thank you.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: I kind of omitted the fun facts because I realized
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: the only real big one I had was the stuff
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: we hit. Everything in the fun facts I would have
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: pulled out came up in our conversation. Really, we gave
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: you game data facts you didn't need or want exactly honest.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: So really like fun facts is you know your fun
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: fact of the day is for the section you've heard
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: so much about this movie, in this franchise. The fun
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: fact is go pick up your first Pokemon games you
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: haven't and get your first starter, and then you come
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: back with your fun facts in the emails. But who
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: you chosen?
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Who you love one hundred percent? I'll go once further
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: because we don't really do email correspondence on the show
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: on Gateleaper. On the Gateleapers feed is Bonus Round where
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: Odra reads out muses in a stage direction. So honestly
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: tell us about your favorite Pokemon, a good Pokemon memory,
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: you had, memories of this movie or otherwise, any of
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: those all in above, and please send them to Gateleapers
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: at gmail dot com. Give a stage direction, make Adra
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: say an entire sentence as a Pokemon. I'm going to
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: do that right now.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Actually, somehow I hear Audre doing like the Meu thing
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: and being that be really damn cute.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, it'd be really cute. Where like Matt does mewtwo.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: I'm writing this email. Oh yeah, I'm ready one as well,
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: and yeah, please, Because I think Pokemon has affected all
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: of our lives in some way, shape or form. We
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: all know something of Pokemon. I truly love just like
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: connecting with people about this. Maybe that's why I'm like
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: a fan of it as an adult. They're friends I've
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: known for years who I did not like. Everyone knows Pokemon,
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: so I assume everyone was like, yeah, you know, Pikachu whatever,
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: But when they get deep into it, I get so excited.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: I recently on gate leapers feed at patreon dot com
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: slash Gate Leapers. We do a monthly episode called the
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: Fandom Flashback, and I talked about the recent Pokemon Day
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: announcements and I just ripped Chicorita to shreds Gateleepers cast
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: member Jen text me out the blue. I almost never
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: get text from Gen. I definitely never get text from
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Gen regarding Pokemon. And She's like, I like Chiicorita. That's
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: all the text. That's all the text said, dude. I
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: was I'd never laughed so hard in the car in
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: my life. I was like, I'm gonna get into an accident.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: But I will say, and I hope Jenna's listening to this,
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: please that makes sense. She reads the Chickorita fan and
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: that is not that is not a good thing or
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: a bad thing. But like, if you had me pick,
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: like who among the casts a Chickorita defender, I'd be like, oh, yeah,
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: I can see Jen defending that one. Yeaheah, yeah. She
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: she is of the good people as well. Her top
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: is Bulbosor. I feel like almost everyone in the employee
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: everyone's top is Bulbasar. Me and Drew have done tearless
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: and Bulbosor is top, oh top, Bulbasar is a top
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: tier Pokemon starter or not. He is just a perfect
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: little guy. I mean bias because he's frog like, but
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's the reason, but like, I'll take it. Yeah, yeah,
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: I can't explain it either. I know Matt Nodra are
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: also Bulbasar fans. Jen Is you and me are. If
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: you don't like bulbasor also email us we want to
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: expose you. No, I'll Pokemon opinions are valid. We love exactly.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: We too, we love the trash Pokemon.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: Yes, he's so cute his little ears. So I feel
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: like we do need touch on real quick. We are
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: gonna have to do our end of segment before we
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: get to our game. Is there anything about this movie
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: you would change? Because I have one thing.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: Dude, this is church. I think it cements itself in
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: my memory as just being perfect for what it is. Like.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: It's not a perfect movie, but I think as it
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: stands for the first movie for what it is, it's
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: just perfect, even with its mistakes withstanding. Also, that vignette
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: in the beginning is also very adorable. I have great
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: memories of that. I can't think ultimately it's a cop
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: out because I can't think of anything off the top
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: of my head. Please share yours again.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: Mine is also a cop out because it's kind of
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: a what I would what I wouldn't have changed. Did
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: you watch the remake of this movie?
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: Ever? I did? Yes, the CG remake they did? Yes, Yeah,
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: I have cousins. That didn't need to happen. No, it's
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: didn't it really.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: Like there's something about the anime that doesn't translate well
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: to CG that kind of just made everything. Like I
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: think the humans all looked really bad was the problem?
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: That's fair, Like this movie was so good it didn't
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: need to be remade with new graphics. Like I'm eh, like,
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: there's so many other things you could have done with
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: this franchise. They were like twenty something movies now. Yeah,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: and like I think I watch more. I think way more,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: And like I there was there was a summer where
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: I was supposed to go on a trip with my brothers.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: I took a week off work and then they ended
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: up bailing on the trip, so I had a week
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: of just staying at home and it was I can't
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: remember what game at the time. I think I made
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: them Soul Silver. I was just basically shiny hunting and
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: rewatching all the old Pokemon movies every night. Yeah, so
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: I got through like fifteen of them or so, so
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: like come back, then there were a bunch. Yeah, and
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: like there's definitely some that hold up, some that are
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: like surprisingly fun, some that are like this just felt
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: like a slightly longer episode with no real meaning like
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: this movie. And I think honestly the second and third,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: like those first three movies, yeah, all are so powerful
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: and so good and so different from the show that
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: it made them stand out in a way. Yes, So
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: like remaking it was the was the only thing I
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: would change is go back in time. But for whose
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: ideat was to remake it and be like just make
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: something else? Please, just do something else with your life.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand the idea of like long running ips
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: that needing to propagate itself with the newer generations and
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: keep itself relevant and so and so forth, and it's
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: like it's easy if it's not broken, don't fix it
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: kind of situation capitalism, so on and so forth. Pokemon,
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: especially coming from like an Asian household, But I don't
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: think that's exclusive by any means. Is generational I have
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: a lot of cousins. I'm the firstborn of my generation.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: I'm going to get unnecessarily like sentimental, like introduction to America.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: You lock onto Pokemon. You're twenty eight years old now,
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: and you have cousins who are still entering life and
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: existing and adding on to your family, and the one
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: constant remainder is Pokemon. I think it crosses like barriers
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: as well, like it's appealing to both boys and girls
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: and all in betweens. It's just adorable and to see
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: all my cousins kind of interact with that the very
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: first time. The reason I watched the remake was I
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: have this girl cousin who's very young, and she clings
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: on to her family like no other. She's very dependent
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: on them. But she was able to break off and
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: just watch this movie with me. She bombarded me with questions.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: That being said, it's like the separation of I'm a
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: twenty eight year old adult now and this is this
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: person's first interaction and she's loving it. So let that sit.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: But I totally understand where you're coming from. So I
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: only have like a sentimental attachment to the cg one
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: or like understanding what it's meaning is to the newer generation.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: But I understand where you're coming from. You know, that's
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: a good point though, Like you, I think you're right.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: I think there's like a selfish view of like it's
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: my childhood thing. You're then like making a like a
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: Korea of in the CG way. But like the fact
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: that for someone else, and the fact that someone you
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: have like a close connection with, it was their entry
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: into this world, Like that alone, to me makes it
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: worth its existence. So yeah, I guess I'm sorry for that. No, no, no, no,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: her parents, that was the shit version. They shouldn't have
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: done that. I was good. My thirteen year old brother
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: when he was a baby, he watched the first movie.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: He watched that one. That's see But that's not their fault,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: you know, But it's kind of their fault. It's they're
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: giving her a subpar product.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: But again, it may have been someone's way in that
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have gotten the other movies maybe, like.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: For sure, who knows. So you know what, parent, thank
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: you for the nerds. Yeah, the adults in their life
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: aren't nerds. Yeah, so it is what it is. It happens,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Here you go, we all
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: we all love a Pikachu. We all love a Pikachu.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: So lastly, before we get into our guests in our
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: minigame for this week, Jason, we need to rate this movie.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: And I it feels like the kind of thing we
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: could probably skip doing and totally miss putting in an
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: episode because we did that at all. Not that I'm
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: predicting that we did that, or that this is a
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: late recording and no one knows about it, but I
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: think we both kind of are on the same wavelength
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: of this movie is pretty damn perfect and will be
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: the top of our list for a long time.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: Which is a crazy statement. It feels like a crazy
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: statement from two men, two adult men, to be like
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: this Pokemon the first movie a perfect film?
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, one, I won't argue. You're right, it is pretty
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: much a perfect film. Secondly, given the rest of the
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: films will be comparing it to, it's not a high
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: bar across, but I will give it a score, and
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: that score is a new two out of mew It's
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty out of one hundred and fifty one.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: WHOA wow, that's good man.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's genuinely what I had. I mean, like like
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: we said, it's it is a near perfect film. It
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: does so much right. It is so good. And yes,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: I know we've gone back and forth on the whole
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: offing is wrong in the franchise about fighting animals against
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: each other, so that's where it'll lose its one point
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: for me, but super fair.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: I was just want to give it a masterball out here.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: It's a it's a faithful advitation. It's it's it's a
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: kid's franchise. That's ultimately what it is. It's hokey, it's
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: about friendship and cuteness, but also battling monsters and animals
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: against each other. I think it's a perfect anotation of
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: the video game. And as far as these films are concerned,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: it's it's got a through line, it's got a plot,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: it's got it. It stays on point, you know.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I I will challenge anyone to find me
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: another video game film, one that we have done or
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: will eventually do, that has a quote so memorable it
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: has been quoted outside of the video game industry and
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: realm in like normal conversation and misattributed when in reality
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: it was mewtwo.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: I can't wait for like I don't know five years
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: into this podcast when we finally get into the Minecraft
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: movie because the Minecraft movie is fresh during recording. Right now,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: the Minecraft movie is fresh. Let's see if Minecraft can
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: dethrow in this film. So I think that's gonna affect
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: our top five as well. Do we omit it from
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: our top five? Because, like we do, we do a
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: top five graphic. Here me and Drew are separately ranking
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: our top five movies that we've watched so far. You
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: can see those on Instagram at gate Leapers Pod. Do
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: we have to admit it because it's just gonna sit
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: at number one for forever.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's not waste our listeners time. We will discuss
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: off air, but I think we will do something special
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: for this one so that the leader boards can be
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: unaffected by Pokemon dominating it for many, many, many many months.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the studio. Our contestants for the day, Matt
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: and Nodra.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 5: Hello, it's good to be here in the press placed Judo.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: Completely what you studio? Totally totally unique.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we we were the kind of show that has
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: the budget for multiple studios for each show to be
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: completely unique and different.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you should see the Bonus Round Studio.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: It's this closet back here.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say it is the Fandominium, just a
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: miniature version of the Fandomonium Studio. It made it like
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: one third scale.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tiny. We shrink ourselves down. It's just like
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: hunched over like children from.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: A little claustrophobic. So it's rough, but you know it's
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: worth it. It's so worth it.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: And the bit for the mini for the mini, well,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, you guys came on to this episode for
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: our inaugural episode for Super Mario Bros. Which we're very
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: appreciative of. Uh, that honestly felt more like a transition
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: though this one. You guys were like, no, we want
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: to lock this. Oh yeah, which I want to explore that.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: Me and Drew have talked plenty about our connection to Pokemon.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: What are your guys's connections to Pokemon and the first
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: movie Pokemon.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 5: I feel like I'm a young millennial, so it's always
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 5: been a part of my life. It was banned for
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 5: a little bit due to it teaching about evolution.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: Can't have that in the church, Oh my god.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 5: But then parents quickly realized it's just a bunch of
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 5: little cartoon animals and that's cute. So I played Pokemon Yellow,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 5: Pokemon Gold back in the day on the game Boy Color.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 5: Loved the reruns of the anime whenever they would appear
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 5: on the terrestrial channels because we didn't have access to
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 5: the premium channels. And yeah, the movie was a huge feature.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: We had the VHS. I believe it was one of
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 5: those ones that came with like a promo card, but
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 5: we definitely lost that.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, A worth a fortune now, oh yeah, seriously, yeah,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: or fifty bucks? What about you? Adra?
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: I was started out similar to Matt in that it
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: was banned in my household, but my parents did not
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: back down. It was banned all through the time that
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: I was living under their roof. I watched it when
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: I was in college as part of my like reclaiming rebellious.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: I'm going to consume the media that I couldn't watch
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: as a youth, absolutely fucking slapped. I was a full
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: grown adult the first time I watched it.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 5: No regrets that first movie is it holds such a
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 5: nostalgia place for me. Not just like the reruns of
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: watching it, but it's got such an original Pokemon mood
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 5: to it. It's like, yes, let's gather everyone for a
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: big Pokemon battle, and who's the villain?
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's mewtwo classic spoilers. We talk a ton about
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: how it's so ingrained in the anime, but also it
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: does not feel like an anime episode. At the same time,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: it's fascinating stuff. We have Pokemon in our life and
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: our friendship all over, similar to me and Drew the
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: first time, I think I maybe interacted with I got
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: you a team mystic secret Santa.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: I still have it nice.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, I mean I'm team instinct, so
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: I hate it, but like I love that for you.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: Gross what.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 5: No instincts are fine?
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: If you were Valor, we'd have to do something which takes.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: The yellow one instinct. Cool.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: I was a sucker for his aptos. He's my favorite
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: of the birds, so when the team was labeled.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: Him, I had to.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: He's just a big, spiky chicken boy.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: He is absolutely Well, we have a game for you, guys.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: We have We do have a game for you guys.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: Actually, Jason, before we get into the game, can I
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: actually do me a quick favor? Can you just read
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: the first letter of each hint for me?
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: What the fuck s s U R p R what
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: R I s it's prize game time. Oh, I didn't
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: realize that.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: This is a surprise game time. Matt take it away?
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: Ah, yes, because half.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 5: The game's moster on what this is legitimate.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: Running the game part of the game.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: What's happening that has just pulled the jacket that he
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: wears as a game master out of literally nowhere. I
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: live in this house and I did not know that
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: that was gonna happen.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: This whole time he's been in the closet. Hello, and
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: welcome to the press.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: Play mini game y, Jason, Yo, this is happening. I
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: got these answers for person of all. May I say
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: this game? Will save it for another day because it's
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: totally legitimate game with actual answers and could work. No,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: I decided for a Pokemon game. Who better to face
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: each other off in a battle? But being you what,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: well you know.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: This is same.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: I just speak so far away from.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 5: The I've heard of the classic beef Cheek Brothers Pokemon showdown.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: I think I've got Oldra here as my assistant. Yes,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: oh my god, how the tables have flipped.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it was. I think at some
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: point early on, I was like I had ideas for games.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: I was like, you know what the like if anyone's
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: gonna face off, Like, when are we going to get
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: the chance to play on press play? It had to
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: be the Pokemon episode and we had met coming in already,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: so that's fair. Wow, I I've never this is a nightmare?
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 5: Well is this a nightmare? Or is it a mysterious
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: set of questions?
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: Wow? Let me close my computer because apparently throw this away.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: This is garbage, all right?
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 5: When when Drew gave me this prompt to make a
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 5: game that was connected to Pokemon and specifically the era
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 5: of Pokemon, the first movie, right, it kind of made
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 5: me think original one five one. So that's the territory
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 5: we're in. Maybe doga Bees sneaking in there, but not
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 5: too many other little guys. So I before we get
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 5: started with this game, I want to ask if you
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 5: remember a viral social media post from about fifteen years ago.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 5: I believe it was originally posted to Reddit, but it
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: definitely made the rounds on Tumblr and everything else. That
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 5: was around fifteen years ago. Do you remember the post
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 5: original one hundred and fifty one Pokemon. According to my boyfriend.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: Oh god, I feel like I've seen posts like these
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: were like they're like they give it to their mom
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: and they're like name this and it's big, big tongueer.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 5: Or whatever exactly, which would of course be Pikachu. Yes,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 5: Pikachu exactly. It's always speakach you. So I have in
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 5: front of me a list of ten names that fifteen
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 5: years ago this person's boyfriend gave to original Pokemon. They're
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 5: going to start out a little more obvious and then
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 5: get more difficult as we go along.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: We're going to take turns.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 5: Who goes first, okay, but ultimately if you don't get
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 5: it right, we'll pass to the next person and we'll
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 5: keep going with guesses back and forth until a correct
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 5: answer is given. Audra is going to read the names
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 5: clearly and can do so multiple times, but cannot give
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 5: you definitions or language of origin, as this is not
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 5: a spelling bee, so why would she so. First up,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 5: we're going to have the name of one of these
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 5: Pokemon that is a clue to a real Pokemon, a
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 5: real member of the one five to one, but something
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 5: this person's boyfriend named. So Drew, here is your first
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 5: Pokemon named by my boyfriend.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: Storkpecker.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: Well, hold on, storkpecker. Stork Oh yeah, yeah, of course,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: of course.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: Stork pecker.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: Imagine the Pokemon's say it's day. That's what you're doing
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: I know immediately has to be one of the flying times.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: It's a bird of some sort, but like, none of
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: them really feels storkish to me. So I'm gonna just
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: take a swing and go with Piggy.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: It's not Piggy steal. Yeah, Jason, it's your guest. Now,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: this is a bad time to reveal that sometimes I
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: take how many of the one five one? Can you
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: remember quizzes for fun?
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 5: And I do it? Uh, it's gotta be Fierro for
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 5: a point. It is indeed Phieroh yes, thank you, definite. Yeah.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: But then there's Bombadier, who is an actual story. I'm sorry,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: losing listeners by the minute. Yeah, people don't care about
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: the one five to one.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: Quit it with your bumbae is like, I'll be honest,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: My first thought was deliberate.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: We're not going Gen two here.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 5: No, strictly Gen one only. Thank you Pokemon the first movie.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 5: Have you discussed how arrogant that is as them as
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 5: a franchise first movie.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: We also talked about it the fact that it has
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: three titles. It's known as Pokemon the First Movie. It's
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: also known as as Mew and mewtwo the Pokemon Movie,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: and also mewtwo Strikes Back. Yes is which is really
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: like a sequel sounding name, like when did he strike
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: the first time?
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: Are we gonna get that movie? Are we gonna get
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: Pokemon the Zeroh Movie?
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 5: Okay, so Jason, you're gonna be up first on this one.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 5: It is your turn to go first. Uh dre, what's
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 5: that Pokemon name? Said by the boyfriend Evil Face. Oh,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 5: so I'm gonna guess I'm gonna go with Haunter, going
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 5: Haunter for not Haunter.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: Dang.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: That was also that was like my top pick I had, Like, Yeah,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: I figured I feel like the obvious next pick would
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: be Ganger, But I don't want to just do that
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: because I think it might be a little more out
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: of left field.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: Isn't Jinx Oh that's good. It's not that. It's not Jenks. No,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: that might be.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: Evil Face.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: And until someone gets it, Yeah, mister mime is the
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: most evil.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 5: Well, that may be true, it's not what this person's
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 5: boyfriend called damns to mine.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gasping, like I'm not looking at the answers.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna go with the obviously what it's
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: in the next choice.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: Would be Gangar. It is okay.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: I honestly Jason with You a Hunter was the better
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: choice for that day.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: Though, Yes, yeah, definitely floating evil face was that one.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: Like legitimately when it was pitched on, it's either Gangar
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: or Jinx. You're gonna guess one of the two and
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: I'll get the other.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 5: If you're wrong, We'll see if Jinks shows up later
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 5: in this list. Take away this next one, it's for
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 5: Drew awkward fan.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: What awkward fant?
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: Awkward fan.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of like elephant like Pokemon of
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: the first generation that faint would go with. But nothing's
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: hitting me weirdly again, I've got don fan on the break,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: stupid movie advertising awkward fant m hm, yes, you know
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: what weird one, but it's somehow speaking to me. I'm
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: gonna go with executor. That's a good one.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 5: It's not executor, Oh shoo, is it drowsy?
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: It is the drowsy.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: Oh he's got a little taper snout.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 5: You're right, he got a snoop going on. That kind
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 5: of a small trunk. I suppose we speaking of small trunks. Yeah,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 5: that is actually an excellent segue, so he'll polls the
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 5: band for that.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: Jason, here is your next name.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: Speaking of small trunks, your next clue is showed.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: Awesome. Uh, only because it kind of sounds like maybe
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: the boyfriend like knew a little bit. Is it electrode?
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: Oh that is a clever guess, but this is not
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: a clever boyfriend. Okay, gotcha? True?
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 5: I think I'm a clever guy. Is it digt it
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 5: is it lets? You're so right, dig Let is chowed.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 5: I believe Doug Trio was called triple Chod. All right,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 5: it's a drew up.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: First for this one.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 4: Dra fish Walker fish fish Walker, the Texas Ranger.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: Brilliant name. That should be a real pokemon. Yeah, okay,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: who's fish like that has feet? I mean, like jen
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: one has a pretty generic ass fish.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: M hmmm. Could it be tent to cool.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 5: It's not tent to cool, although many feet I suppose
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 5: if we're counting those as fate.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: I was on a similar vein, I was is it
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: tent to cruel. Sorry to do that to Drew.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 5: Even more feet, But it's not pentacryl. Now interesting, back
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 5: over to Drew.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: Could it be gold duck. That's a good guess, but
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: it's not gold duck. Oh wowly right, Yeah, I guess
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: I'm running out of fish see sea king seeking? No,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: it's not it's not seeking.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, because otherwise, like I'm trying her other like again,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: water hips are the most plentiful in the first chance.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: There's a bunch of pick from. But I can't think
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: of any that you would like.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: Walker seems like such a weird thing, like Dogong's slappy
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: flat flippers.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 5: Slappy flat flippers. It's not do Goong. But yeah, I
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 5: see how these could be described as fish walkers more
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 5: fish like than the ones that have been thrown out,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 5: I would say, fascinating, but definitely has legs.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: Definitely has has legs.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: What the hell I'm blanking.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: Equal parts fish and walker?
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, huh, water tight gen ones. I feel like I'm
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: cheating if I take too long. Now, I'll just cut
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: it out. Okay, let me just reach into the animals
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: of my Oh oh uh wow. This is a stretch
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: in my opinion, But Is it Kaboot Tops. It would
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: be a stretch because it's not Kaboo Tops.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: But that is a good call though. On that same
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: vein as lots of little arms. Could it be Amis Star.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 5: It's not Amistar, But I think we might get through
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 5: all of the yeah pokemon. In going through this, I'll
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 5: throw out some more clues for the next round of guesses.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 5: If you're two stone, you might not be able to
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 5: remember this one.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 4: That's a good clue.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to make it.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 4: It's like a it's a yeah, it's.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: A great bigger that's a great clue. I'm wearing the jacket.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: I guess I guess I could see it. Vaporion. It
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: is Vaporion. Yeah, Oh my god, Waterstone. That's a great clue.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: That clue. Yeah, I forgot about these pokemon. I know
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: my first gen.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 5: You know it took these bloody beef cheek brothers so
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 5: long to get that one.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't know who's going first.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: Next it is up Jason.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: Up Jason, get it out of him? Is not awesome.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: I hope that next thing is not.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: Your clue is.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: Arm eater? Hate that arm eater? Hate that a lot.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: So Now the now the decision is is it more
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: about arms or is it more about eating? Snorlac is
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: a great eater second or third base? I guess I'll
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: go with a fairly obvious one. Let's go my champ
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: Ah lots of arms. Yeah, that's a good guess, but
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: it's not right. Okay, that's that's okay, Dre.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: I'm picturing with the o g art they probably showed
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: for this, and is the snore Relaxe like eating something.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: It looks like it's almost out his arm in its mouth.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: But then I think like Muck also had a similar
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: art where it was like it hand in its mouth
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: because it was eating something. I feel like Snooralax is
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: too obviously, there's too many other funny names you come
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: up with. I'm gonna go with muck.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 5: Going with muck, I like it, but it's not it's
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 5: not muck. I'm going a little out of left field here.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 5: We got to get into the headspace of a simpleton.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 5: And what if a simpleton saw h merrill whac and
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 5: said that bone that he has, that's a chicken leg
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 5: or that's an arm that it just ate. So I'm
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 5: gonna go with Merril whac. I see the logic. Maybe
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 5: don't go so simple, damn, but that's that's.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: Not an idiot.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm nothing's coming to mind immediately, even if
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: I go way out there. I think we gotta just
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: put Snorelax on the table to make sure it's not
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: that so snox.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 5: Sure, yeah, throw snow lox on that table, watch that
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 5: table break.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: No, No, it's not snow lax. I think.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what you said. I think
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: we're ready for some clues. I'm wo okay, yea unfair
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: for me to get the clue.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: Let me do it. Throw one more weird clue first, Okay,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: that's in that case. Then I'll think of something.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 5: There's definitely a animal clue in the name that they've
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 5: gone for, Like by going for arm eater, they're thinking
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 5: of a certain animal when they're naming it that.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: I love that. Okay, I understand now what Pokemon looks
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: like that let's see here. Yeah, I'm also brain I
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: understand the clue that was given. I am saying that
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: the most like this animal is I'm speaking too much
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: for Matt to cut it. Cool, awesome, that is how
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: that works, right, if.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 4: I said it another three times, would that be helpful?
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: I think so, yes, yes, yes, please arm eater, arm eater.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: Get it one like you're like you've just been hit
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: by it a trick attack from Pikachu, and you're like
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: injured arm eater.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: That's oh oh okay, yeah, that's unlocking things. Can I can?
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: I guess sand slash.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 4: It is slash wow?
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: Oh wow? Yeah, oh wow, because it's like an ant eater. Yeah,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: like a pangolin. I was just about to say the
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: same thing, but I felt our listeners drop as I
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: said that.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: Panglings are underrated animals, and our listenership came back beglin enjoyed.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 4: They feel represented make twelve percent of our listenership.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: All right, Next up, this one's for dream Na Ruto.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: Nuto.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: I mean that's a gimme. You think it's a gimmey?
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, which Pokemon says believe it?
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: I think, Well, right now here, I'm kind of tor
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: between two because I'm thinking orange and has a to
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: throw in Marriwuac or just goofy looking and orange which
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: might also be Magma.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go with magar Orange. It's not Magma. Yeah, unfortunately,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: I watched a bit of Naruto. No it's fine, No,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: it's yeah, it's it's actually not is it nine tails?
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: Oh it's not nine tails? Okay, I was like, solid,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: that is a good call, though, damn what Yeah, that
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: does make sense. This friend's dumb and not a weeb.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 4: It took me a second to understand why this works.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: But okay, yeah, I mean.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: Let's also take it take it ahead. This guy knows
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: enough to name a Pokemon Aruto, but doesn't know the
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: original one fifty one. There's a really weird discrepancy in
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: their anime.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: This guy falls into a strange Van diagram exactly.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: But I, like Audrey, you said it didn't immediately click
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: with you why this one worked?
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: M yeah, giving additional clues.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: I weird one, then I'm gonna go with oddish. Whoa
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: we do like oddish, but it's not oddish.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: I was thinking that the leaf, the leafs, the hair
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: being pointed, but also the leaf imagery with his headband
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: or something.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: Mmmm. Okay, okay, Jason, I kind of am going off
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: of that as well, but on a different spectrum. Is
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: it electa buzz? It's not electibus?
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 5: Why would you say it's electibus blonde, spiky blonde, spiky yeah,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 5: shikey yeah, yeah. I'll say Drew was onto something with
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 5: the headband. To give Drew a clue for this next one.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 5: Thinking about the headband.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: That couldn't just be chop. It's not my chop headband,
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: doesn't he.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: In some depictions he does, but I think has the belt.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking it's like some attire.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 5: M hmm, yeah, there's definitely I'd say the Naruto link
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 5: is the headband.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 4: I would agree, that's that's where I took it.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: Perhaps the insignia. Yes, whoa, that was a great clue.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 5: Is it poll I'll go poly whirl. It's not poll Whoa.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 5: That's okay, okay, so fifty to fifty is it poly Raf?
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: It's not pop, it's polly Wag.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: It's poly Toad.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 5: No, I'm jucking. It's polly Wag. It is polly Wag.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 5: Good stuff. Yeah, it's like the headband.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, absolutely right. Why did I think his head
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: been with a leaf on it or something? Don't know
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: why I'm thinking that because it's the leaf village. Yeah,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: it is talking.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: That's like Naruto is very much in that realm of
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: like when a bunch of anime came out that were
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: they were going to be too long, like we already
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: knew they were gonna be like over one hundred episodes,
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: and I was like, you know what, I can't do
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: those anymore. I'm giving up on them. So I only know,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: like I know, like a very broad generalization. So I know,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: the Hidden Leaf Village is a thing. Okay, it's a
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: spiral on this headband that doesn't make sense. Damn good
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: good save on that one.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: All right. The next one is for Jason.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: Your clue is HIV?
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: Is it the idea of the pokemon as HIV? Or
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: is it giving you HIV? Uh?
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 5: Poory Gone, Pory Gone looks prime to give you HIV?
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: Or is the concept of HIV? It's not? Okay?
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I also was kind of going with the idea
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: of like the concept, which seems like a really weird
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: thing to still use. I'm gonna go with wheezing.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, I just kind of.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: I just picture like HIV, like any old posts about
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: you getting kind of like that like like microscopic view
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: of like germs in general, and I just sort of
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: yet you're wheezing in there.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, I think that's what they were going for. That's
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: a very weird pole, actually quite.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 5: Clever, this boyfriend. All right, one name each left to
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 5: start things off. So, Drew, here is your final name.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: Craw Craw.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, y'all doing like that craw and then a clean
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: read craw.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: I I'm really torn between like one or two, but
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with Zapdos.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay, that's good, one of your favorite Pokemon.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one of my favorite gen ones.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not as suspense. I recently watched a Futurama
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: episode where doctor Zoitberg just goes craw, so influenced by that,
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with Kingler.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 5: Ah, like I'm crawl Dad as well. Yeah it's not
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 5: it's not Kingla.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, it's real smart though, I'm still kind of on
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: the bird. I'm still kind of bird pilled. I still
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: have a very bird vibe going on here. One of
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: the other legendary birds, but I feel like there's kind
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: of too much to go off with them, So maybe
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: a more lame bird. Let's try spiro.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: Ah, it's not Spira.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 4: Mmmm?
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: Is it pigeoto? It's not pigo toe. We're getting so close. Oh,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: is it pigot Away at that time, is indeed pets?
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, crawl. It just was so like funny to see
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 5: early on. It's just like this could be anything.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: I almost I'm curious about the other two birds in
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: the generation were called by the boyfriend to get there.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 5: I think it was possibly like a tweet and it
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 5: was just like noises that birds. Yeah, okay, we have
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 5: one final Pokemon name and the schools are pretty damn close.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: So Jason Europe first on this one.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 4: This pokemon was called what the heck?
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: So many to choose from, so many to choose from
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: for a while. I am only going to choose this
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: again because it was previously mentioned and kind of like
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: hinted that at Matt, is it Jinx? It's not Jinks?
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: Fuck you. I hate when you do this.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think, what are the weirdest looking genuine pokemon,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: like just like absolutely like h and I'm gonna say
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: something myself, this is the pokemon I genuinely dislike. So
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: maybe he also just liked it. Is it Pincer?
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: It's not Pincer. But I do also find that kind
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: of like what.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, weird like sideways vagina mouth and I already don't
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: like bug types.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: Don't be worse. Yes, this opened up more possibilities. Now
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: let's go with an easy one. Let's go, let's go muck.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 5: Going second appearance backwards, come of course, what the heck?
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: Indeed, yes, it's not muck. These are so.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: Hard o good weird ones. I really want to we
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: want to get the hint territory after my guess, give
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: you a second the thing before we give a hint,
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: because Jason.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: Can you can't do just to speed it up.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: You know, what's a weird one? Just genuinely kind of
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: weird to look at. I could see someone being shocked by.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: What about star You?
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 5: Okay, like this doesn't look like an animal? What the
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 5: heck is this kind of.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like up until star You, every Pokemon kind of
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: is like cute, has eyes, is like a body, and
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: then it's just like this weird jewel with starfish.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's not it's not star You. But I
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 5: do like that as a guess. Uh is this one
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 5: is really hard?
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: It is? It's really hard.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because the only clue I can think of might
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 4: narrow it down a little bit more than we want.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: No, I think that might Harden the question, Oh are
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: you saying hard? Intentionally? I think he is Jason. I
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: think he is this guy all right, what makes me hard?
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: We've already done Vaporion, so out the question. I don't
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: love that. That that's that's where my brain is gone.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: Is it Bell? And I don't love that either.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: You've got me going down two routes here, So I'm
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: gonna go with the more obvious one because I think
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: it's what I wanted to be. Is it Metapod?
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 4: That's what the boyfriend said?
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 5: Oh good stuff. Okay, there we go. That's our game.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: That was That was so good man, Thank you.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, any time, anytime. If Drew messaged him like, can
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 5: you make a game about Pokemon? Oh yeah, It's all
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 5: I do with my time.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, these schools are so close. I just
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: I do want to preface this that Drew has beaten
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: me in almost every Pokemon competition I've ever done ever.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: Two Pokemon episodes of Pandemonium. If that's true, that really
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: makes me sad and mad.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: One Pokemon Pandemonium because your Okacal episode was pre my
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: being a guest. That is actually it was the first
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: episode of years. I listened to when you invited me
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: on the show, but I was there for the live Pokemon.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: And you still beat me in that. Somehow you just
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: listen retroactively.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 5: Look, I mean, this could be your chance of revenge.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 5: Please God let it be so it would at least
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 5: give you that little little legend, this rivalry rough Week
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 5: Matt Fashion Garret. Oh yeah, and you need a win
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 5: on a game show, on a podcast.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 4: Naming naming Pokemon based on a fifteen year.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: Old meme, This will really lift your spirits.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 5: Okay, Well, I can reveal that Drew scored five points
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 5: and Jason scored five points. It's a tie, Yes, equal
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 5: beef cheeks both some perfectly symmetrical.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 4: Size iron sharpens iron.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 5: I think it's steel type in Pokemon. You truly are
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 5: the plus all to my minum. Ah, that was disgusting
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 5: to say that.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: I would be making sure to that.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, thank you both for coming on and joining us.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: Thank you Jason for falling for my surprise.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: I'm exhausted.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: I still hanging over the fact that I legitimately built
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: a functional game like those answers. Everything there is legit
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: and functional. That is also a surprise secret riddle for you.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's fantastic. That's a lot of effort. We need
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 5: to play that game at some point.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think at some point I still have
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: the notes. We'll get you on for another thing, or
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: we'll save it for some other reason, but we'll use it.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 5: Beautiful. Yeah, thanks for having us on. This was This
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 5: is amazing.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: Thanks for being on. Thank you everyone. If that concludes
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: another chapter in our journey through the history of video
• 1:34:43
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• 1:34:45
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• 1:34:48
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• 1:35:02
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• 1:35:04
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• 1:35:05
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• 1:35:14
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• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: Signing off and remember don't blow on your cartridges,