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🎧 Episode 35 | Ancient Greece: Medusa vs. Hercules — The Ultimate Mythic Showdown · Arguing Ever After

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Hello and welcome to Arguing Ever After.
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I'm Luke and this is my fantastic redhead bride, Amber.
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Hello. Together we're the Lord and Lady
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Disagreement. And the king and queen of
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All. Right for our 35th episode.
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Is that a milestone? Are we 35?
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Yeah, we're 35. I don't know.
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It is to me. It's a milestone in life.
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Is it? I think that's when you're like,
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officially an adult. I OK.
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Oh, am I wrong? I I don't know.
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I mean, legally it's 18. I mean, I feel like, isn't that
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when you're really middle-aged, you're starting to be
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middle-aged? You what?
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Just kidding, not at all. No, that's that's you.
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Stop it this instant. OK.
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Well, anyhow, we have a new country.
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We do. It's been a bit.
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We have listeners now from Chile.
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Or Chile, if you want to say it like they say it.
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I I would love to. You refuse to attempt accents.
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I'm terrible at it and. I it's funny when you do any
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accent, it's very rare, but. I don't think I ever do it.
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You don't, OK. But you slip into it by
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accident. Ever.
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Like when we're in Mexico. Noah.
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No way. You just said Noah.
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Noah Only accent I do is Minnesotans.
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Yeah, you got that one. That's it, That's it.
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It comes out. But what do we do in honor of
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our new countries, Luke? We say hello in their native
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tongue. So to you there in the beautiful
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country of Chile, Hola. Yes, welcome to our podcast.
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Welcome back because I know you tuned in for another episode so.
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Bienvenido Aki. OK, good.
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That was. Good to have you here.
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Well, welcome here. Sort of directly translated.
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It's sort of like welcome back. OK, there you go.
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There you go. We've been in places where they
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speak Spanish and I don't speak any Spanish, but.
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I do. Luke does, so he's our
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interpreter. But not like, well, like.
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I'm certainly not fluent. Well enough better than me.
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Well enough like I could survive if we were dropped in a Spanish
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speaking area. Enough to get like just the
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basics out of like where is this thing or where do I go next?
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Donde esta la bano LL OK, but I feel like they'd get the hint.
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Banyo. I feel like they would be.
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Yeah, they, they'd probably get it.
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Yeah. And they?
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'D be like, well, clearly this. Yeah.
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That's two things you could be looking for, the beach or the
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bathroom. And you're pale, so you must
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need the bathroom. Exactly.
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And the beach. And we all I know every time we
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go. They would think you needed the
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beach and you would not. Yeah.
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And we've gone several times to places like Mexico, and they
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always think that we just got there.
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And I'm like, no, I've been here for a week and they look at me
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and yeah, no, You sure? You sure you've been here for a
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week? Yep.
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This is as dark as I get. I was just talking to one of our
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friends about how we vacation and how when we first went on
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our like true first adult vacation that wasn't our
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honeymoon. When we went to Mexico, we
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quickly realized that we were different vacationers.
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And over over years and years of travel, I've realized that your
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way is more fun. Aw, thank you.
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Thank you. Relaxing on a beach has its
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merits, but you know you can relax really anywhere.
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You know you can't do anywhere. Discover the local culture and
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food. Yes, those are two very
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important things I like to do when I travel.
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But yeah, I totally agree. I can relax anywhere and I feel
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like when I'm on vacation, I go to bed earlier anyhow.
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So the concept of needing to like just lay down, I, I do that
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earlier in the evening. You do not on vacation.
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I don't stay up late. You absolutely stay up late on
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vacation. I don't think I do OK I I have
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no idea. Let's go on vacation and test it
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out. We can't for a while.
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I know, Boo Hoo, I. Know we're working way too hard
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on this podcast. No time for sleep.
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Fakest thing ever. No, but our well your time off
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is limited and I feel like you maybe would be a little ornery
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if I went on vacation without you.
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Oh my goodness, you would never. I don't know the answer to that,
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but I have never. How was that for an answer for
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you? That's that's, I mean, it is
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what it is I guess. Traveled without me.
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For work. Not just for work, for family
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reasons. For family reasons.
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Yes, because a lot of your family is all over and if you
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needed to see them you would. Go to see them.
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I mean, I love my family, but that's not vacation.
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I mean I. Guess it is for a lot of people
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probably. I would say we've definitely
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gone and visited your family and counted it as vacation.
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We have. Sure, sorry some of us don't
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have that rich go anywhere anytime vacation.
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Sometimes you got a multitask when you're.
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Oh, I guess we have multitask like Salem and stuff, yeah.
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Of. Course you know what to have in
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Salem. There's witches.
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They do. You know what to have when we go
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to the ocean. No.
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The ocean. OK, that.
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Wow, I was teeing you up. I don't think it actually.
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Worked. Not taking the bait.
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OK, we'll keep talking. No, I don't think it.
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Worked. They don't know what's going on
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anyway. I mean, so here's the thing with
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knowing how to segue. We don't, I think I don't.
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I think you might need some lessons, maybe maybe some
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lessons in it. You know, Speaking of lessons,
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when I was a kid, one of my favorite things I had in school
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was this additional class because I was so smart.
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You segwayed so hard. I know.
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Do you tell us? Yeah, yeah.
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So I got to take these additional classes because I was
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so smart in elementary school to learn about these interesting
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things that you wouldn't normally get to learn about in
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elementary school. In elementary.
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School, elementary school, yes. So one of the things we learned
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about and maybe one day we'll talk about is the Bermuda
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Triangle. That was one of our lessons.
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What I mean, OK, Do you remember Bermuda Triangle?
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Devil's Island. I don't.
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I don't. The Addams Family.
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I don't remember this in there. Yeah.
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What? Sorry, I apologize.
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Gomez professing his love for his wife.
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OK. OK, so that was one of the
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things and and that's a whole I learned a lot about.
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Somebody out there right now is ashamed of you.
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I'm a little ashamed of me too. But then another thing we
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learned about was the pyramids, a lot about Egyptian ancient
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Egypt, which is something I'm still interested in today.
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Yeah, Another thing I got to do was we made a play, but the
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thing that I think is perhaps the most timeless and seems to
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hit everybody. Maybe not, Maybe I just think
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that it does was Greek mythology.
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I'm pretty sure that's a big deal for most European descended
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countries and peoples. Yeah, it's, I feel like it might
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not be that deep into like South America, Africa.
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I mean, technically they're sort of European mixed with anyway,
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whatever. Yeah, I don't know, but I just
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found it very fascinating and I find it interesting today our
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our child who is I guess child, she's not really child, but
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she's our child is really into a lot of Greek mythology with the
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release of. Epic The.
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Musical. There it is.
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Big deal with the kids, some kids.
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Some kids. Theater kids.
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Theater kids. Yes, yes, if you haven't heard
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it. OK, you could if you want.
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There's a lot of singing. It's very operatic and dramatic
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and Broadway ish. Yeah, yeah.
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And it's kind of interesting, but like, if you have heard it,
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you've heard it probably more than you even care to.
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That's true. But it's it's good music in
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there. And I think it's kind of a fun
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way for younger people, I guess, to learn the story of Odysseus
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and all of that. But it just, it just takes me
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back when she talks about it. And I have my opinions that I've
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developed over the years and she has hers.
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And there might be a little bit of some artistic direction
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taken, an epic musical that maybe for sure didn't happen in
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the Odyssey, but. That's true.
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You know, there's interpretations of everything
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and that's part of part of it, but just interesting.
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I loved Greek mythology. I still do.
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I do, too. Learning about it, talking about
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it, thinking about it. We both happened to wear shirts
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today that work for it. Yours is better.
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I mean, good eye roll for you audio folks.
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You just missed a deep eye roll. It's solid.
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I'm wearing a Nike shirt. Yeah, from the shoe company.
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That's a stretch. No, it's not.
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Nike was the goddess of trying. I know, but your.
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Daughter of the Titan of Battle. You didn't buy a Nike shirt,
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That's true. You liked?
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But I guarantee you they named it Nike for that reason.
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Probably. I mean, their motto is just do
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it. Maybe it's because the owner was
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Sir Nikkei and they're like, cool.
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I think it's actually pronounced Nikkei, but like the in the like
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the Greek. I I don't speak.
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Greek, right? Neither do I It's.
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Actually all Greek. If there's any Greek people
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listening or ever listen to this, they'll know by the end of
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this that we do not have the right words and accents.
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Right, right. No.
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And that's OK. We are just two people
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mislearning everything and remembering all the things that
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we may or may not have taken in. So, you know, I mean like the
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educational factor we've said is not very high sometimes that's
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true facts in here. I mean, I feel like maybe not a
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lot of people or some people didn't know that Nike was the
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goddess of triumph until just now.
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I I would. Think triumph in many ways, not
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just a contest in battle, but like excellence in arts and
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music. Every time I hear the word
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triumph. Do you?
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Think of the motorcycle. No.
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That's OK. You were gonna say something
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else, You go. I think of Triumph the dog, the
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comic dog. Oh, OK.
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Yeah, that's the thing. I mean, that's real long ago, I
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think, but it was the whole for me to poop on guy.
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So I don't know. I don't like that word.
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I didn't like the the comic dog. Was it the comic dog?
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Triumph the Insult comic. Dog.
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Yes, it. Really wasn't great but for some
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reason it was like famous. It was, it was, and for you
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young folk who never heard of this.
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You didn't miss much. No, you didn't.
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It was not, but it was. I think of the motorcycle when
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people say Triumph really, or sometimes the cars.
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OK, well apparently I think pop culture must rub off more on me
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than it does on you. Automotives always will rub off
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more on me. Yeah, that makes sense.
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That makes sense. So, OK, so you were talking
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about, oh, and when we were in high school, I was, we were
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talking about learning about Greek mythology.
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I took a mythology class and I think you may have been in it,
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but I don't remember. I definitely took 1 and I also
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sadly don't remember if you were in it high school.
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Yeah, yeah. Can we blame this on just our
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memories are fading cuz we're past the middle age of 35?
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I think so. I think that's fair.
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I think that's fair. There were probably other
12:42
circumstances. I feel like we would have been
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in the same class together though because we were in the
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same grade and the odds are that they offered it.
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You could take it whenever. Maybe.
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Yeah, you could, you could. I don't know.
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I don't know if we took it together or not, but I just, I
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don't know. I, I actually it's one of those
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places too, with Greece where I'm like, I don't know if I want
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to visit there. There's a lot of things that
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might be interesting. I totally want to go to Athens
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and see like the Parthenon and. Yeah, but I mean, maybe, maybe
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there have been lots of places I've gone to that I didn't
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really care to go to because I was like, it's just like DC,
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right? I never cared to go to DC.
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Well, you liked it. But when I went there, yeah, I
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was like, wow, this stuff actually all looks like the
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pictures IRL. You had more than that happened
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to you. Well, we visited your family.
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No, it was nice. I mean, I also liked.
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You had some patriotic thoughts and feelings.
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I don't know if I had patriotic thoughts and feelings.
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About our little strong beginnings.
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What I did? Happen about our ideals no, I
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think nothing just. Think you.
13:43
Put more Lincoln. No, I was surprised.
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Giant Lincoln statue. I was surprised how much I was
13:49
like, dude, that is like on the back of the penny, no?
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Sure is. No doubt, it truly is.
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Wow. But what I really liked about
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DC? He's also on the $5.00 bill.
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For people who know me, this isn't a surprise.
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This is. The $5.00 bill, I think that's
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right. Okay.
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You know that time when you're having two separate
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conversations and you just down those roads?
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Well, anyhow, what I did like about DC was that you could go
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to all the museums for free in quotations, free, because you're
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already paying for it in your taxes.
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And most vacations cost a lot of money for all the admissions and
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things. So I really appreciated that a
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lot. And I like museums a lot.
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I really do like learning what I wanna learn and experiencing
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what I wanna experience on my terms.
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That might be why school, when we can't remember if we were in
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the same class as anything, might be a little bit more
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difficult. Our terms were on different
14:47
levels or wavelengths. Yeah, I think so.
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I think so. I've always been really into
14:52
like any stories about mythology or like, like, you know, the
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stories that are the big ones like gods, goddesses, epics,
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stuff like that has always been and still is quite meaningful to
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me. Well, what's that saying?
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One person's myth is another person's religion.
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So. You know, I've never heard that.
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Oh really? But I agree.
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I think I heard that probably in this early elementary school
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when I was learning about. My house.
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So, so it's an interesting thing that.
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There's still people that actively practice like Greek
15:32
religion as a religion. Does that even mean the
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Olympians? What do you call it?
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You know, I guess I. Didn't like a Zeus God and like
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Hera is the queen of the gods. Know that there is now that's a
15:48
really good thing if we were to utilize our other device.
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I mean, I will say Catholicism took over.
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Yeah. But that's not to say that
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entirely. The rest of it's gone.
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I bet you there is like there's probably like a like a religion
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of the, the Greek, the the Olympians.
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It's got to be the Olympians, right?
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That's yeah. You know what the Illuminati I
16:09
feel like they're probably into? Maybe, hey, if we get another
16:13
just Illuminati if you're still listening.
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Of course they are. Drop us.
16:16
Drop us a line. Yeah, let us know.
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Let us know. I, I don't know, I feel like
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there's probably someone who still believes it or has, you
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know, like maybe they have some superstitions.
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Or I could get into believe in it.
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I'm easily swayed to believe things.
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You are you are very easy. I'm into belief in faith and
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it's good. It's good stuff.
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Yeah, yeah, I'm into appreciating other people's
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beliefs in faith, but there's so much there and there's so much
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history like. Yep.
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I mean, I, I find it, that's what I think is interesting, is
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how long it must have taken to come up with all these stories,
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because there's endless stories. Oh, it's crazy.
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I cannot imagine like some of them do.
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You think they have the most or maybe Hindu?
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No Hindu probably has more because they have like I think
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they have over 100 gods. I I you know what?
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Yeah, the Google. The Google word.
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We're not supposed to say the word.
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I say it all. Let's.
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Not we're not. We don't want to trigger
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anything. It's fine.
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It will be fine. And if we do whatever, and if we
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trigger it on other people's devices, right now they're
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getting. I've had that happen before
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where I'm listening to something and somebody says the word and
17:24
then whatever device I'm on is like, oh, what do you want to
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talk about? Which is why I tell you not to
17:29
do it. It's so distracting.
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You're like, I'll stop it. So it's like Voldemort.
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More than must not be said no because he was like an evil dark
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Lord that killed a bunch of people and.
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I don't know the. Search engine it searches.
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Some people might say AI is a little a little a little evil.
17:53
Some people might not. There's people on both sides of
17:55
that spectrum and that's a fight for another day for us.
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We could debate it, I mean. Oh, it's on the list.
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OK, I have lots of opinions. I have some too.
18:05
Yeah. Do you?
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Yeah. OK.
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Well, I, I don't have any more opinions about about AI, but I
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do have a question for you, Luke.
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Already. I think so.
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OMG OK, let's get into it. Here we go.
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OK, this is maybe in a record. Is it?
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We're gonna have the longest debate in history.
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OK, I love it. I love it, I love it.
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And now, the moment you've all been waiting for in this corner,
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claiming to weigh in at 135 goddess like pounds, we have the
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sparkling deity Amber. Yes.
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And in this corner we have Luke, who is like almost 100%
18:53
recovered. I'm going to say he won't say
18:55
that at all. I appreciate the optimism.
18:58
I mean you seem better. That's great.
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I'm still just for our video for our video friends.
19:03
This is one of them grabby sticks you use cuz you can't
19:06
bend over. But mentally you seem better, so
19:09
that's. I do I feel less challenged in
19:12
my daily livings. I think you're feeling stronger
19:15
because your numbers are coming up.
19:19
All good, let's feel stronger a little more.
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So in this Luke has we have 8 ties, 8 ties.
19:26
That's our total right now. Our early days were mostly ties.
19:29
Well, we had a, we had a lot of ties and then I have fourteen
19:32
wins. That's a lot.
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But Luke has climbed up again to 11 wins, so that's why I think
19:39
you're feeling strong. And if any of you sleuths out
19:43
there is doing math, yes, that's more than 35 because we had a
19:47
couple of unmarked bonuses thrown in there.
19:51
No, it's not more than 35, isn't it?
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All right, Sorry for you people who can do math that is not
19:59
accurate. We're fact.
20:02
We thought it was 36 because of the live show.
20:04
Oh no, no, no, don't. Just just know that I've we.
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Graduated high school, Barely. Oh, whoa, Nope, This, this is
20:12
you're the one who's doing. That I was throwing you under
20:16
the bus with me. If I'm going down, you're coming
20:18
too. No, no, no, no, no, no.
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I don't even remember what you said.
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Anyhow, so, so we're gonna go back to the question.
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So I have a question for you. Please ask it.
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So we were talking about mythology.
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Then we got we got a little sidetracked and how to kind of
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bring it back to mythology. OK, because my question's very
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pertinent about it. Good of all the characters who
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we've learned through mythology, Greek mythology, we're going to.
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Keeping it in the Greek lane we're.
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Staying in Greece because I think we want to keep other
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other localities open for other days, yeah.
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I'd love to do some research on Hinduism and yeah, Buddhism and
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yeah, anyway, sorry. So much mythology out there.
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And maybe we can do a little bit of teaching, right?
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Yeah. Or learning.
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I'm ready. I don't know if it will be both,
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but maybe it will be. But my question is to you of all
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of the Greek stories. OK.
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Excluding Gods, because that's probably another episode.
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That's got to be another whole category.
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No gods. OK.
21:32
Yep, no gods. Yeah.
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Who is your favorite character and why?
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Well, let me tell you. And the people yeah, OK, so my
21:44
favorite is Hercules it I had a little internal debate I shared
21:52
with you some of my thoughts. Yep.
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And it's hard cuz like I actually really do like a lot of
21:57
the stories and a lot of the heroes and a lot of the heroines
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and I come back typically to what do you?
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I just had a memory. OK.
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Do you remember the Hercules show?
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Oh, for sure. With Minnesota's own Kevin
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Zorba. Absolutely, he went.
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But you know what A. Little off the deep.
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We didn't know. Before the Internet, we didn't
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know. That's true.
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We just reveled in his wonderful acting.
22:28
He did have nice big oily muscles, didn't he?
22:31
He did. He was a little a little oily.
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Yeah. In general.
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OK, sorry. That was just.
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Oh, you just wanted to bring up that there was once ATV show.
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It was a great TV show and alongside it, because there was
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Greek mythology, had a moment. It did.
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And Xena the warrior Princess, which was your jam?
22:51
And then we both crossed over and started watching them
22:54
together. And then the show's crossed over
22:56
a bunch of times. They did.
22:57
It was great. I think Xena was technically a
22:59
spin of herpes. Well of course it would have
23:03
been OK, whatever with her chakra.
23:07
I don't know why that's a ohh. My God, you're so with the
23:09
jokes. Just ohh, they come for the
23:13
jokes, Luke. For you audio listeners, if any
23:16
of you didn't get that, the spin off was the Oh my God, she had a
23:20
circular weapon and she would throw it and it was like a
23:23
boomerang and it would come back.
23:24
Yes, you're you're welcome, I guess.
23:26
Yep. I was deep.
23:28
Could have kept that to yourself.
23:30
Huh. I mean, I didn't you, you know.
23:31
Just felt like it was the time I did.
23:33
OK, I did. I had no choice.
23:35
All right. OK.
23:36
So, Hercules, Yeah. Hercules.
23:39
Not Kevin Sorbo, just want to be super clear that we're talking
23:43
about. Yep.
23:44
The Hercules of legend. OK, yeah, so he not technically
23:51
a God. OK.
23:52
I think there's like some versions of his story where he
23:55
gets turned into a God at the end of his life or something
23:58
weird. But he was immortal son of Zeus.
24:01
But not like he didn't have like the God like powers where you
24:05
could whatever the gods do. I don't know all this stuff.
24:08
Like he couldn't manipulate the mortal mind anyway, so he the
24:16
the the reasons in my mind that he is my favorite.
24:20
And of course all of this mythology is up for
24:23
interpretation so we don't know how much of it is true.
24:27
I imagine like most myths, some of it is rooted in truth because
24:32
why would it be a story that lasted the ages if it wasn't OK,
24:37
you're gonna Yep, I think I, I really think all myths that that
24:40
last that long probably have some truth in them.
24:44
OK, and some valuable truth even.
24:45
So he had a couple like semi famous things and like really
24:53
strong like, oh, he was really strong, but he had some really
24:57
strong like stories that that that bring me in.
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So one of them is Hercules at the crossroads, which is I think
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it was, I don't remember the Greek.
25:18
Well anyway, anyway, there was an Athenian philosopher that
25:20
like made this famous back in like the, I don't know, 4 or 500
25:24
BCE. Anyway, Hercules at the
25:27
crossroads. He is at a like literally a
25:29
crossroads and he is confronted with two choices from 2 gods.
25:39
One is and I don't know their Greek names, but one is Vice and
25:44
that's his first offering. He is offered the road of ease
25:48
and comfort and pleasure, having whatever he should desire in
25:53
life without having to do work essentially.
25:58
And then he is offered another Rd. by another God, Virtue, who
26:05
oh, and and vice is like very God like and shiny and, you
26:10
know, attractive and whatever. And Virtue is more like toned
26:14
down and drab and austere. And Virtue gives him the choice
26:19
to travel the other Rd., which will be beset with challenges
26:22
and hardship and toil, but will give him a life with purpose.
26:28
And he immediately chooses that road.
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So that's one of the good stories that I like about
26:32
Hercules because he chooses a life of difficulty, knowing that
26:37
that road would bring out his best characteristics and
26:42
strengths and that if he was going to have good things in
26:49
life, he wanted to earn them. OK.
26:52
So I think that's pretty great. I mean, I think that's great for
26:54
if anyone had a decision like that, I, you know, I think
26:57
there's plenty of us that would choose the easy way a lot of the
26:59
times. But in the story of Hercules,
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choosing the hard way was one of the reasons he was considered
27:04
great. Now his his super strength on
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that road propelled him to the 12 challenges, which is another
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of his big stories. I don't remember all of them.
27:19
I do remember a few of them. So one of them was that he had
27:26
to to kill the the lion of there was like a lion, a huge like,
27:35
you know, giant sized lion terrorizing some town or city.
27:39
And I can't. Was it Grace?
27:41
I don't know. Anyway, I can't remember all the
27:43
details, but so. And there was no weapon that
27:46
could Pierce its hide. And so Hercules wrestled the
27:49
lion and choked it and saved the town.
27:52
Poor Kitty. Yes, indeed, but it was like
27:55
eating, you know, babies and women and.
27:58
Babies and women. And an adult, yeah, it was a
28:01
giant carnivorous lion anyway, so.
28:04
So he did that. That was one of the challenges
28:06
that I remember. And that has some honor in it to
28:08
be a protector. He's known as a protector
28:10
throughout his. He also had, I think another one
28:17
involved like a giant boar or bowl, not the Minotaur.
28:22
Somebody else beat the Minotaur anyway, and a similar fashion.
28:26
Due to his magnificent strength, he defeated the creature and
28:30
protected the people. And most of his challenges were
28:34
something like that. It was like defeat this enemy
28:37
that's undefeatable to protect the people.
28:39
One, the probably most famous one, was the Hydra, the three
28:42
headed monster that couldn't be killed 'cause it always regrew
28:46
its head even if you cut its head off.
28:48
And he figured out that he could cut its head off and then
28:52
cauterize the wound with a torch.
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So he burned the ends of the heads of the Hydra off, or the
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necks I guess. And so then it couldn't regrow
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and he beat it. And so that's like another.
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There's so many stories about Hercules.
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Those are some of the ones I remember.
29:08
He's also known in both Greek and the Greek and the Roman
29:12
stuff crossover quite a bit. But in both, he's known as the
29:15
protector of women in childbirth or something like that.
29:21
That was something I learned in my recent research.
29:25
Weird. Which is which is interesting.
29:27
It's probably something to do with his strength and the
29:29
defeating of these these beasts and stuff maybe.
29:33
This is odd. Well, I mean I you.
29:35
Know, I mean, I don't doubt it, it's just weird.
29:37
Like why would you have a? Well, part of it.
29:39
OK, so then another thing that Hercules is known for is his
29:42
great loves. Yeah, So he had two wives in his
29:49
life, His first wife, Megara or Megan, depending on what story
29:56
you read, you know, things get translated.
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They had a bunch of children, and they lived very happily.
30:02
And he was living a mortal life. And I think he had been given
30:05
the choice if he wanted to go with Zeus and be a God and he
30:08
turned him down or something and wanted to be a mortal, a mortal,
30:12
not immortal. And he was living this life in
30:16
that Hera who hated Hercules because of she hated Zeus
30:20
because Zeus cheated on her with immortal etcetera.
30:23
Many, many, many times. Many times Zeus was the bad bad
30:25
cheater and made Hercules. So she hated Hercules because
30:29
Hercules was super strong and he was being given all this praise
30:34
by the people and she thought he was terrible because he was
30:37
begat terribly. So she is credited with killing
30:44
his first wife and maybe their children, but I don't know that
30:48
detail. But for sure the wife.
30:51
And so then he then he had another wife who he rescued.
30:55
She was the Princess or queen. It's either Dayanara or
31:00
Dionysus. Dionysus was a God, right?
31:04
I I think it's Diane. Anara.
31:06
Yep. Anyway, so he rescued her from
31:09
again some sort of, you know, a. Mythical Christmas.
31:12
I remember hearing Kevin Sorbo saying Diane Anara.
31:15
That checks out. Yeah, Yeah.
31:18
And so he rescued her, I think, as a Princess from it was like
31:24
not a minotaur. What's the horse with the with
31:26
the with the man body a horse Centaur.
31:29
OK, Centaur. It was like a super strong
31:31
Centaur. Which are good characters in
31:35
Harry Potter? OK, well this is not what we're
31:38
talking about. So anyway, so he rescued her
31:41
from the Centaur, and then they fell in love and became married
31:45
and, you know, loved her dearly and.
31:49
I think you. Have they also had children?
31:51
Are you going to? Are you really arguing now?
31:53
I'm not arguing. No.
31:54
I'm helping you. I'm ready.
31:56
I'm helping. You.
31:57
Come on. You forgot his first love.
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Oh. His mother.
32:03
OK. Hercules mother is why he was
32:06
such a good person. I mean that makes sense, but I
32:12
wasn't necessarily forgetting her, just that I was talking
32:15
about his wives of. While you were talking about his
32:17
loves and as the first. Woman he loved You know what?
32:19
When he was a baby he killed some some snakes that Harris
32:23
sent to kill him. Right, right.
32:25
I forgot that, but that that checks out with a lot of his
32:29
story. Actually, that's and that's why
32:31
he was so caring. He and he was so.
32:33
Woman in his. Absolutely.
32:35
And he was so virtuous and let's see, and then some of the other
32:41
stuff that he did in his life and this one I think you will
32:45
absolutely adore and our viewers will absolutely adore.
32:49
This is again in some of my research.
32:51
I'm ready. He was once captured and
32:55
punished by a queen named, I think it was Ormfalla.
33:04
Wow, something like that. Wow.
33:06
Who put him into service with her maids and he dressed as a
33:13
woman in drag and performed tasks with the servants of the
33:18
queen. Like I was like thread weeping
33:24
and like basket carrying or something like that.
33:28
So we served under a queen in drag for some time.
33:31
I don't know. There you go.
33:32
I don't know that. Hey, girl.
33:33
Hey. Well, I mean I.
33:38
But not like, no, the story is not that he did it begrudgingly.
33:41
He did it. He embraced it.
33:43
Interesting. Like I think maybe he enjoyed
33:45
his time. Good.
33:46
Good dressing up a little bit good.
33:48
I actually think I semi remember an episode of the show where he
33:52
did that. With Eolas.
33:54
I don't remember it, but I'll trust you.
33:55
Yeah, maybe that's where he met Eolas.
33:58
His best? Friend it could be and that I
34:01
don't anyway, so So that was another one of the stories that
34:05
I thought was kind of funny. And I mean, there's a couple
34:10
like I'm there's a couple, there's a bunch of other stories
34:13
about Hercules, but like those ones, the big ones that stick
34:17
out that, you know, because oddly, I think I'd I'd like to
34:22
think I live in in a way similar to that.
34:25
Not that I'm hold on, hold on. Bunch of little disclaimers.
34:30
Not that I'm super strong or that I'm like traveling the
34:33
world fighting demons, but like if I were given the choice today
34:37
now between vice and virtue, I would pick virtue.
34:43
Sure. And you believe that and you
34:45
just said that I agree, but I mean that that I would I would
34:49
like. Right.
34:51
And I, I like that that's one of the big stories of Hercules and
34:56
I like that he was a protector. I think that's a virtuous thing
35:01
to do to protect people who aren't so good at protecting
35:04
themselves or who need more help.
35:06
Sure, sure. And I think that that shows a
35:09
lot of care and his devotion and and non cheatingness with his
35:13
spouses, which I also find to be admirable as all get out and
35:19
that he was known for those things.
35:21
I think that that's just great. So for me that's my choice for a
35:28
non God Greek mythology character that isn't an animal.
35:35
Those were. Our I know those, that's how.
35:36
Narrow We made the lane cuz there's so much to talk about
35:40
there's. So much to talk about and, and
35:42
who knows? I mean, there might be people
35:44
who are interested in some of this and there might be people
35:46
who aren't. I feel like people of our age
35:48
who maybe dorked out to some of the TV like we did.
35:51
Right. They're gonna be like, I totally
35:53
remember watching these shows. I you know what's really a
35:57
bummer? I miss the shows, cuz again, we
36:01
said Greek mythology had a moment.
36:03
Yeah, I think learning through entertainment had a moment, cuz
36:09
come on now. Discovery Channel and Science
36:12
Channel and Animal Planet and most of that stuff's gone, and
36:16
reality TV took over so much. I think, OK, I think there's
36:21
some resurgences going on right now.
36:23
Like, I mean, that Netflix series that we watched, I think
36:27
it was Netflix. I'm watching one right now
36:29
called the Sandman which is about lots of the gods with Jeff
36:34
Goldblum as Zeus. Was it called Olympus?
36:38
I don't know. It was so good, I wish it was
36:41
longer than one season. It was really good.
36:45
So apparently if you are wondering what we're talking
36:47
about, just Google Jeff Goldblum and Zeus and you'll find it.
36:51
Yeah, right. So good.
36:52
So that came back. There have been a couple of
36:54
things that I think have been pulled through.
36:56
I think the experience of watching things has really
37:00
changed, whereas like the competition and the amount of.
37:06
I don't think that they need to spend as much resources in
37:12
producing and coming up with all of these things because people
37:15
are, there's so much they can watch.
37:17
They're not expecting very much. That's kind of how I feel.
37:20
I feel like it's, there's just so many options.
37:23
I'm it's not that I have to choose that there's just too
37:25
many. I'm just spoiled with choice.
37:27
There's just so many. I don't need to narrow it down
37:30
to something that's great, something that's fine will work,
37:33
right? Sure.
37:35
But back in back in the 1900s when you had like 4 channels,
37:39
you know, like you had to make sure whatever it was was.
37:41
Or, you know, 25 or whatever the number was.
37:45
Now there's like 1000. No, it's and.
37:48
And. I mean, channels is one thing,
37:51
but then it's. The whole of the Internet
37:53
exists, right? Right.
37:54
So the competition isn't as, there's a lot of it, but I think
37:58
they don't need to work as hard. And I could be wrong.
38:01
I'm sure there are people who would be like, no, they have to
38:03
work even harder to get people. But I don't think that they need
38:06
to develop the storylines in the same way.
38:09
And also, I don't think that they maximize like they used to,
38:14
cuz they were like, cool, we're gonna do eight seasons of this
38:17
thing and it's gonna get crusty. Now they do just one or two and
38:21
they're out, right? And I'm like, just, I would love
38:23
a third season, please, you know?
38:25
I do appreciate the short ones though if they're just telling a
38:28
story and they tell it. Right.
38:30
I like when I know when it says it's like Netflix says it's a
38:34
limited yes, I like knowing that going in because then I'm like,
38:38
I don't have to worry about it. But when it's a matter of Willie
38:41
get picked up again and they don't know that before the end
38:44
and they're kind of leaving a. Cliffhanger, One of the ones I
38:47
liked got dropped and it's based on a book that I absolutely
38:50
loved. Yeah, well, that's how it goes.
38:53
That's how it goes. Well, so anyhow, so I certainly
38:57
watched a lot of the Hercules shows with you.
39:01
And while I think Hercules was a good character and I enjoyed the
39:06
series only because it touched on a lot of the little stories
39:11
that you know you would learn about with Greek mythology.
39:14
Oily mussels. I've really he.
39:18
Nice long blood. You know what I'm going to say,
39:20
actually, if Kevin Sorbo is listening to this.
39:23
I doubt it, but. I really doubt it.
39:26
You know what? I'm going to not even listen to
39:28
what Luke said. I would still want your
39:30
autograph. Oh, OK.
39:32
I would because you're a Minnesotan.
39:37
I was still. I was still.
39:38
I'm like, you know what? Cuz you did a good series back
39:41
in the day. He did.
39:42
It was entertaining. It was terrible, but it was
39:44
good. It.
39:45
Was not terrible. I mean, if you go back and watch
39:48
some of that acting. Well, but it you know, it was
39:50
what it was. It was what it was and I enjoyed
39:52
it for what it was at this time. And that was before like we had
39:56
all the CGI stuff. So they did some CGI though, or
40:00
kind of maybe green screen. I have no idea what they did,
40:03
but I do remember some of it. It just didn't necessarily look
40:06
the realist. But.
40:07
More importantly, what Hercules brought to me, OK, was Xena
40:12
right like. Yeah.
40:14
That was a great, great character.
40:17
I didn't. Know that was what?
40:20
I didn't know that was from Hercules, but OK.
40:21
Yeah. Oh yeah.
40:22
It spun off, you know, a warrior Princess, right?
40:25
Like, sure, an Amazon, all these things.
40:28
Yeah, I think was pretty great. Oh, that was one of his 12.
40:33
Something about the Amazon Queen Hippolyta?
40:38
Yeah, yeah. Something about her was one of
40:40
his 12 laborers or. OK, not sorry.
40:45
I don't remember. Anyhow, that's probably when
40:47
they met. I don't know, because I don't
40:49
actually think that I could be wrong.
40:51
I don't remember ever learning about Xena in any of the Greek
40:55
mythology stuff that I learned right.
40:57
And right now, if I were to use my other device, I maybe would.
41:01
But you know what? Where does the story come from?
41:04
Who knows, Maybe there was some Amazonian Princess warrior who
41:10
was also out there fighting around the same time that that
41:15
Hercules was right and. Maybe sometimes I forget that
41:18
the Amazons of legend preceded the naming of the Amazon itself,
41:23
like the rainforest. Yeah, yeah.
41:24
Anyway. And that they were like Greek
41:27
four years and they were all women.
41:28
And yeah, anyway, yeah, Wonder Woman came from there.
41:32
Yeah, there's a lot of tight, tight related things in there
41:36
that I do like. But I mean, why wouldn't Aries
41:41
have a daughter? Why not?
41:43
Why wouldn't that be a story that could have happened and why
41:45
wouldn't someone else then, you know, talk about a great story
41:49
of this, of this woman who, you know, also did all of these
41:52
wonderful things and saved people for whatever reason, but
41:56
also was like able to fight and all of those things.
42:00
Why wouldn't you? You have gods and goddesses who
42:04
have these abilities and, you know, the concept of
42:07
worshipping, you know, a God because they're maybe they're, I
42:10
don't even know how you decide that.
42:11
Like, is it if you're a person and you're in Greek, you know,
42:15
like back in the day, how you decide?
42:17
Back in Athens. Back in Athens, you know, like
42:20
just sitting there, you know, with your toga, how do you
42:23
decide like which God? I mean, are you born into this?
42:26
Is the God who you worship? Or are you like, I'm totally
42:31
into love, so Aphrodite, that's who I'm going to worship or I'm
42:37
super into war. So let's go find Aries.
42:41
Like how did I I that's something I wonder.
42:44
And maybe after this I might research, but I also might not.
42:48
So, you know, if anyone wants to hold me to it, ask me in the
42:53
comments. You know, Amber, did you ever
42:56
figure out why people had the gods that the temples of the
42:58
gods that they went to? I don't know.
43:01
I don't know. Great question.
43:03
Leaving it out there may get answered, may not.
43:06
If you know the answer, you can shoot that too.
43:07
But anyhow, so I really, I really, I appreciated a lot of
43:12
the stories with Hercules, but. But boom boom boom.
43:17
I think Hercules, you know, I mean, kind of set up well in
43:23
life, right? Like if you if you think about
43:25
it, he had a great mom who raised him right, you know, but
43:30
he also had all these great powers.
43:33
I mean like this dude was privileged.
43:35
Stepmother tried to kill him for his entire life.
43:37
OK. And.
43:39
Queen, Queen of the Gods. Nothing.
43:40
OK, I'm sorry. Who are you're?
43:42
Privileged don't have struggle. OK, OK.
43:46
You know, I'm just saying he had a lot of things that a lot of
43:49
people didn't have which could help aid him in his journey of
43:52
doing good, which is great. It made him be more effective in
43:56
the stories of a journey of doing good.
43:59
Yes, which I think is nice, but I, I, I'd have to think about a
44:05
lot of Greek mythology is there's a lot of, there's a word
44:14
I'm looking for and I'm probably not going to find it, but there
44:18
is a lot of like sadness and darkness and tragedy.
44:25
That's the word I was looking for is tragedy.
44:27
Sure, there's a lot of tragedy in there.
44:29
And I think that that's a lot of, of it is just a lot of
44:33
lessons of things not to do or ways to ensure, you know, it
44:39
just just, you know, don't do that, don't do that, right?
44:42
Like we have it today with a lot of our nursery rhymes and stuff.
44:45
Like essentially you learn, you know, don't talk to strange
44:47
wolves in a walking down, you know, walking while you're going
44:51
to your grandmother's house. Like that's a lesson.
44:53
You shouldn't do that, right? So there was a lot of that in
44:57
Greek mythology. So I think considering that was
45:01
more prevalent, I think that I, I kind of wanted, I like looking
45:06
into that side and not shying away from it, right?
45:08
Like we love the glory stories we do, but life's complicated
45:14
and I think even though I'm so glad I did not live back during
45:19
that time, holy buckets. Yeah, talk about privilege.
45:24
Look at us now. Right.
45:24
Look at us now. I know.
45:27
I think that keeping in mind what people had to live with and
45:32
endure every day while a lesson of hope is really important, but
45:36
like daily, what about what do I need to know?
45:38
How am I going to get by all of those things?
45:40
I think the tragedy might have had held more importance for
45:44
folks in in all of that. So, so then I think about, OK,
45:50
what character do we know who is really, you know, larger than
45:58
life? I mean, really like still, still
46:00
thought of today. So powerful in many ways and and
46:05
what what has a deeper meaning that maybe what's on the surface
46:09
maybe OK, I know that's disputable, but my favorite
46:14
character, not God or goddess. Like I get it.
46:18
We're we're narrowing in is of course Medusa.
46:24
Hence the shirt. Hence the shirt.
46:26
This shirt happened well before this topic ever came up for
46:29
discussion. And I like Medusa for many
46:33
reasons, but she's she's striking in many ways.
46:40
Like, I mean, she's. Snakes on the head, after all.
46:43
Snakes on the head. Yeah, but like, I mean, there's
46:46
a couple of different stories and I like 1 version better than
46:51
the other. And of course I do.
46:52
That's gonna be the one that I'll hold on to.
46:54
But regardless of anything, you know, I mean, she was she was a
46:57
monster, right? And all she really just kind of
47:02
needed to do was be left alone as the monster character, right?
47:06
OK, she had sisters. I.
47:09
Think were they also snake headed?
47:11
Yes, and she was the only mortal one and they were immortals, but
47:16
that's one version. Why was she the only immortal?
47:19
I don't know cuz she was like nobody like that one.
47:22
No one do. So Medusa, I don't know, she
47:25
wasn't favored. And that's the thing too, that
47:27
was really unfair, right? During Greek mythology is there
47:30
be favored ones? Yeah.
47:31
And it was like why? I don't know why this one wasn't
47:33
favored. No good reason whatsoever.
47:36
Just you weren't born right or you know, whatever it is.
47:40
I just don't like you, which I find really fascinating cuz you
47:44
could not be today. I mean, you could, but could you
47:47
imagine a parent being like, I just don't like that kid.
47:50
You know, in a lot of the older stories they talk about the
47:52
favored child. Yeah, yeah.
47:55
Like even in humans. Like right So.
47:58
I've died off in the last 100 years or something.
47:59
I don't know, I mean. 50 years anyway.
48:02
Yeah. So it's just really interesting
48:04
cuz you have the favored ones, all of that.
48:06
So, so regardless of that portion, I think it life might
48:10
have been tragic for her in the fact that she didn't have the
48:13
same powers as her sisters, if that's where she began.
48:16
Now there's the whole other story and it's every, it is a
48:21
later story and I accept that it's a later story, but it is
48:25
still a, an origin story of Medusa.
48:29
And that would be of how she became Medusa and a poet, it was
48:35
a Roman poet actually had written her story as how he had
48:39
seen it and he had seen or how he had the.
48:41
Name of the poet. No, don't ask.
48:43
I don't know. Sorry.
48:44
It's low I. Retract my question.
48:46
Why would you ever ask a question about who for me like
48:49
for you? Sure.
48:50
I mean the poet. George, I don't know.
48:52
Probably not. I don't know.
48:54
Oh, that other guy. Never mind.
48:59
I'm not gonna get there. But.
49:00
But he was on full house. I feel like he might.
49:02
No, he wasn't Roman. He was anyhow.
49:05
Doesn't matter. What's his name?
49:06
Wow. Doesn't matter.
49:07
Nope. So what She.
49:11
It's gonna come to me tonight at like 2:00 in the morning.
49:14
I'm gonna shout out John Stamos, that's who.
49:18
I was saying. Wow.
49:20
OK, we. Have our first John Stamos
49:22
reference. It is.
49:23
There we go. Yeah, there you go.
49:25
So when I wake up at 2:00 in the morning shouting, you're going
49:28
to know it's not. I'll probably sleep right
49:31
through. It you probably will anyhow.
49:33
So what I really the the version I like because it is so
49:39
realistic to the stories is that this beautiful maiden went to go
49:46
worship her God or goddess at the temple.
49:51
And when she was there, tragedy befell her.
49:55
OK, She's there doing her right thing.
49:58
Like, OK, got you. I got you, Athena.
50:00
We're good. I'm like, praise, praise to you,
50:03
praise to you. And then this other slimy dude
50:06
named Poseidon was like, oh, you're cute.
50:11
I like you. And she's like, no, I'm here for
50:14
my goddess. And he's like, I don't care.
50:17
I'm taking advantage of the fact that you're here and I will have
50:21
my way with you. That's messed up.
50:24
Bro it's so messed up, it's so messed up.
50:27
And as punishment, Athena gave Medusa her snakes and cursed
50:36
her. All of that.
50:38
Wait, Athena? I know it's really messed up.
50:41
Right, punished. Yes, because here's the thing.
50:45
Medusa. Here's the thing, you need to
50:47
remember that the gods actually didn't care about people.
50:50
That's true. They did not care.
50:52
They were, yeah, mostly not. They needed the mortals for
50:55
their worship, but that was it. Right.
50:57
And they were very, very happy to smite people all the time.
51:01
And they so like a lot of times they're like, oh, I'm not gonna
51:05
hurt. Like they don't.
51:07
They didn't think of people as people or whatever.
51:09
They didn't think of them. They were toys, so.
51:12
Athena was the goddess of war. War.
51:16
No, there's lots of stuff but like.
51:21
Battle, Yeah. Wasn't she an Archer?
51:24
Fighting. Wasn't she like a hunter?
51:26
Hunter. There you go, that's what it was
51:28
anyhow. So to they didn't care about the
51:32
humans really, but to get back at the other gods for their
51:37
actions, their punishments would be towards the humans that
51:41
they've decided are like their pets, right?
51:43
Kind of like heroin after Hercules.
51:45
Exactly. It wasn't that, you know, that
51:48
Hera actually cared at all. About so Athena was like, oh,
51:51
you think she's hot? Watch what I'm going to do.
51:53
I'm giving her a snake head. Well, she's like, how dare you,
51:55
Poseidon. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
51:58
Yeah, yeah, Do that in my. Now I will make your your little
52:02
fling. Yeah, taking it away.
52:04
Snake hair. Right, right.
52:06
So, but I think that that's sadly sometimes just reality for
52:12
people, right? Like that story in there is you
52:14
can be doing everything right and forces outside of your
52:18
nature can come on and change the trajectory of where you
52:21
planned you were going, right? And so then at that point, you
52:26
know, then where do you go? And are you really like, cuz
52:32
after that regardless, either way you see the story regardless
52:35
is she's just like seen as a monster.
52:38
Yeah. You know, whether she started
52:40
out as a monster or she was turned into a monster, she is
52:43
seen as a monster by all around her.
52:45
And she's like, I know, I don't, I know I'm a monster.
52:50
So I'm going to go hang out by myself, like just leave me be.
52:53
I'm not going to do anything bad.
52:55
Because she wasn't sitting there like cursing in the world or
52:58
anything like that. But she, she was like one of the
53:02
things I think of and, and I'm sure many people don't, but I
53:04
think that she was sitting there and she's like, I'm not ugly to
53:07
me, You know, like every, the only time I'm ugly is when other
53:11
people look at me, you know, and I kind of, you know, it's like
53:15
it's how people see her that made her who she was.
53:18
It wasn't who she was that made her who she was.
53:21
So I, I just find her character so very, very fascinating and
53:27
sad. However, there's so much
53:30
strength in her character that I that I can't, I, I can't not
53:38
pick Medusa as my favorite character either.
53:41
Story you go if you go with what people call the original story
53:44
or the story that is more frequently.
53:46
Told either one she ends up just want to hide out either don't
53:49
mess with me. Either one, she's not doing
53:51
anything bad. She's just hanging out being.
53:53
Snakeheaded. And then someone's like, hey,
53:57
why do you go kill that thing? Oh, and then she turns him into
53:59
stone. Well, yeah, she's not having it.
54:02
Oh, let's capture that thing, that that monster, you that
54:04
thing. And she's like, dude, just just
54:06
leave me alone. Just leave me alone.
54:08
I'd be good. And then Nope.
54:09
Dude, you had to come. I didn't tell you to come.
54:12
You had to come. I'm going to have to defend
54:14
myself, right. Like it's like, that's, that's
54:16
how I, you know, like I think that's how a lot of people are,
54:18
is like, I I'm not going to go and attack you, but if you come,
54:21
I'm here. Don't come on me.
54:24
Don't step on me. I'll turn you into stone.
54:27
And and unfortunately, as we all know, she she was destroyed by
54:33
Perseus butt what I learned today, which I didn't know
54:36
before, was after her head. And of course, the big story is
54:40
that he would go around Perseus, walk around with her snake head
54:43
and like, you know, it was a trophy and he killed things, you
54:46
know, or turn things into stone, whatever.
54:47
It still worked, Yeah. The head of the dead Medusa,
54:51
yes, still functioned as a stone statue making object.
54:55
Yes, yes. But not.
54:57
But not like that, Like 'cause you could put it in a bag, cover
55:01
it up, no one could see it, right?
55:02
It's. Carrying head around that's
55:04
that's weird they. Were weird anyhow, but out of
55:07
her head. OK.
55:09
Came two creatures. 01 is the Pegasus.
55:16
What? And they're like, this is
55:18
Poseidon's baby, a little Pegasus coming out of her.
55:21
Out of her neck, a little Pegasus, and then there's
55:23
another one that they have big Pegasus.
55:26
Well, it ends up, yeah, being a big Pegasus, OK.
55:29
And there's another one, and there's many different stories
55:31
of what that other creature was, but it's the Pegasus sibling.
55:35
It could have been a boar with wings, could have been a a
55:38
human. Pegasus, That was good.
55:43
Yeah, that is. Good.
55:44
No there. Is a name and I can't pronounce
55:46
it and I'm not gonna. That's right.
55:47
But anyhow, though that's my favorite character, even though
55:51
she ended tragically, she lives on because she was and that's
55:59
that's what I've got. I mean, OK, I think we both made
56:03
some pretty solid arguments tonight.
56:04
I'm proud of ourselves. Yeah, yeah.
56:07
That was a good one. We should do more Greek
56:09
mythology because I enjoy it. We we might.
56:11
I think we need more mythology in our podcast.
56:13
I think we, yeah, I think we enjoy these little story
56:16
rundowns. Plus, I'm almost for sure
56:18
guaranteeing somebody out there is learning something.
56:21
Yeah, yeah. Which is exciting if it is to
56:25
Google on your own. That you could do that?
56:27
Well, you gotta stop saying the word.
56:29
Just search. Use the word search.
56:33
That's all you gotta say. Yep, Yep.
56:35
Well, that's that's the fight. The fight is who picked the
56:38
better character. Yeah, obviously me with.
56:42
Or which is the better character?
56:44
Yeah. Which is better?
56:44
Yeah, it doesn't matter. Yeah.
56:46
Which one do you prefer and how did they vote for that Luke?
56:49
Well, they would vote for me by going to Spotify in the poll and
56:56
that's the best way that's possible.
56:58
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57:01
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57:07
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57:09
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57:12
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57:23
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57:34
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58:13
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58:15
But you're right. I'm sorry.
58:17
OK, If you had snakehead, you'd turn me to stone right now,
58:21
wouldn't you? I would.
58:22
I mean. I don't.
58:24
Knowallrightarguingeverafter@gmail.com I'm sorry.
58:28
Thanks so much. See you next time, bye.
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I just want to do my own thing. I just want to do my own thing.