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MNF Reaction, Vikings TRADE J.J. McCarthy to Giants, Drake Maye Struggling, Baker Mayfield Injured + NFL Week 3 Mailbag · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

• 0:01
  Speaker 1: The Volume. What is going on, my people? How are
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: we doing? John Middlecoff, Three and Out Podcast. That'd be me.
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: That'd be the show. And Case Keenum and Ben Johnson
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: steal the night. Dominate, destroy, work. Sirianni and the Eagles.
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: We will dive into that game off the top. Not
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: sure I quite saw that coming. A lot going on tonight.
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: We have J.J. McCarthy was traded today. Not sure I
• 0:46
  Speaker 1: had that on my bingo card. I guess not crazy.
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: The Giants need a quarterback. But Monday morning, J.J. McCarthy
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: to the Giants. So we'll tackle that. Drake May. Maybe
• 0:58
  Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels returns. We'll do some mailbag questions at John Middlecoff.
• 1:03
  Speaker 1: But Case Keenum, what a cool moment for him. You
• 1:08
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• 1:10
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• 1:25
  Speaker 1: and you can find us. But You guys know the drill.
• 1:29
  Speaker 1: Let's just dive right in. You know, it's not even
• 1:33
  Speaker 1: debatable at this point the power and the impact Ben
• 1:37
  Speaker 1: Johnson has had on this franchise. I mean, I was
• 1:41
  Speaker 1: thinking about this during the second half of that game.
• 1:46
  Speaker 1: I do think that the majority of coaches, their backup quarterback,
• 1:51
  Speaker 1: Tyson Bajet, who gets the concussion and who's missed most
• 1:54
  Speaker 1: of the week in the concussion protocol, but then gets
• 1:56
  Speaker 1: cleared over the weekend. You know, he's been with Ben
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: every step of the way as of Case, but let's
• 2:03
  Speaker 1: be real. He convinced Case, who was, you know, by
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  Speaker 1: all accounts, he said during his press conference during the week,
• 2:11
  Speaker 1: that he was planning on basically hanging it up. And
• 2:14
  Speaker 1: Ben flies him to Chicago, convinces him to play, clearly
• 2:18
  Speaker 1: as like a coach, mentor, to be in the quarterback
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  Speaker 1: room as a player, but kind of be an extension
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  Speaker 1: of the coaching staff, which was smart. They have a
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  Speaker 1: second-year quarterback, a guy that's been around, a mature guy
• 2:32
  Speaker 1: who can speak the language of the coaches through the players,
• 2:35
  Speaker 1: or excuse me, through the coaches' view as a player.
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  Speaker 1: It makes a lot of sense. And I just believe
• 2:42
  Speaker 1: that a lot of coaches would have gone with Tyson
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  Speaker 1: once he's cleared to play. Because we see this consistently
• 2:48
  Speaker 1: in the NFL at every position. Now, Case has been
• 2:51
  Speaker 1: around the block. Clearly, their rapport with Ben... him and
• 2:56
  Speaker 1: Ben is pretty impressive. But I did not see that coming.
• 3:02
  Speaker 1: You know, I thought the Bears being at home, place
• 3:04
  Speaker 1: would be crazy. The Eagles aren't exactly the 07 Pats
• 3:08
  Speaker 1: when it comes to offensive football. It wouldn't have shocked
• 3:11
  Speaker 1: me if it was a close game going into the
• 3:13
  Speaker 1: fourth quarter. Maybe the Eagles win by a field goal
• 3:16
  Speaker 1: and the Bears cover. Kind of was my expectation. Maybe
• 3:20
  Speaker 1: the Bears could pull out some crazy win. I don't
• 3:23
  Speaker 1: think most people, especially everyone sitting in Soldier Field, including
• 3:27
  Speaker 1: Case Keenum, thought they would show up and beat the
• 3:30
  Speaker 1: shit out of them. And it basically started from the
• 3:33
  Speaker 1: opening drive. And I do wonder, and maybe they'll talk
• 3:36
  Speaker 1: about this, I'm recording this right after the game. in
• 3:39
  Speaker 1: the post-game press conference is Ben felt very confident, you know, Thursday, Friday, Saturday,
• 3:45
  Speaker 1: implementing the game plan, the first 15 plays with Case
• 3:49
  Speaker 1: doing it. And it's like no reason to change to Tyson,
• 3:53
  Speaker 1: even though if Case got injured early in the game,
• 3:55
  Speaker 1: Tyson would have played. So he was ready. But that
• 3:58
  Speaker 1: first drive, just boom, bang, boom, bang, touchdown was like, okay,
• 4:05
  Speaker 1: Ben Johnson's, as Case said after the game, in his bag.
• 4:09
  Speaker 1: I expect that, right? Ben is an elite offensive play caller.
• 4:13
  Speaker 1: And we see this a lot all over the NFL
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  Speaker 1: and all over college. That first series for a lot
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  Speaker 1: of offensive play callers, because you can practice it over
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  Speaker 1: and over, rep it out Thursday, Friday, Saturday, walk through
• 4:25
  Speaker 1: it again on Sunday for a Monday night game. You
• 4:27
  Speaker 1: have all Monday to go over those plays. Everyone knows
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  Speaker 1: they're coming. How does it look as you go second,
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  Speaker 1: third quarter? And Case just kept getting better. Eagles didn't
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  Speaker 1: sack him. It wasn't just like dinking and dunking either.
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  Speaker 1: He was pushing the ball down the field. He was
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  Speaker 1: hanging in there as he was about to get hit.
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  Speaker 1: He was accurate. I mean, he threw a touchdown in
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  Speaker 1: the back of the end zone to Rome that he
• 4:50
  Speaker 1: double caught and ultimately got pushed out of the end zone,
• 4:52
  Speaker 1: so it didn't count. And then they obviously went for
• 4:54
  Speaker 1: it on fourth down and didn't get it. But if
• 4:57
  Speaker 1: you had to give Case Keenum a grade on this game,
• 5:00
  Speaker 1: because listen, I think most games, I would subtract last week,
• 5:04
  Speaker 1: Flores has a little ownership over Ben. But Ben typically,
• 5:09
  Speaker 1: most games as a play caller, is going to be
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  Speaker 1: like a B plus, A minus minimum. And have a
• 5:13
  Speaker 1: lot of games like week one where you're like, that's
• 5:16
  Speaker 1: an A, that's an A plus. So your expectations for
• 5:19
  Speaker 1: Ben Johnson are really high. But beside like Case Keenum's wife,
• 5:23
  Speaker 1: his children, maybe his parents and his in-laws, I don't
• 5:26
  Speaker 1: know the expectation could have been that high, and he
• 5:30
  Speaker 1: blew and exceeded everyone. I mean, that's an A performance.
• 5:35
  Speaker 1: You get a 38-year-old guy who's basically retired, doesn't play,
• 5:39
  Speaker 1: comes to mentor, has that moment against Vic Fangio on
• 5:43
  Speaker 1: Monday Night Football. And it'd be one thing if it's like, well,
• 5:46
  Speaker 1: they're running like double passes and he hit a couple
• 5:48
  Speaker 1: of hook and ladders and they hit a flea flicker.
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  Speaker 1: It's like they were just running the offense and he
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  Speaker 1: was excelling. Now he, you know, on the big touchdown
• 5:58
  Speaker 1: pass was a little behind him, but still like delivering balls,
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  Speaker 1: catchable balls on time in rhythm, manipulating the pocket, keeping
• 6:07
  Speaker 1: plays alive within the pocket. The play where he got
• 6:11
  Speaker 1: him to jump off sides late in the fourth quarter.
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  Speaker 1: The touchdown, which he snuck, which clearly the defensive lineman
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  Speaker 1: didn't see coming. It was an exceptional performance. And honestly...
• 6:24
  Speaker 1: The NFL now with the Mahomes and the Lamars and
• 6:29
  Speaker 1: the Josh Allens, it's a star-driven league. And there's not
• 6:34
  Speaker 1: really very often the little engine that could. Listen, I'm
• 6:38
  Speaker 1: a big golf guy. You see guys win golf tournaments
• 6:41
  Speaker 1: that have been up and down on the PGA Tour.
• 6:44
  Speaker 1: They're down and out. They start selling insurance. All of
• 6:47
  Speaker 1: a sudden, at like 41, they... win a big golf tournament.
• 6:50
  Speaker 1: It's an incredible moment, and they're in tears. That's what
• 6:53
  Speaker 1: this kind of felt like with Case Keenum. Because my
• 6:55
  Speaker 1: guess would, again, maybe Ben says something different in the
• 6:58
  Speaker 1: press conference, that if Caleb's out next week, that Tyson
• 7:03
  Speaker 1: is your starter. Could be wrong. Maybe he just sticks
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  Speaker 1: with the hot hand. Wouldn't be a crazy thing to do.
• 7:09
  Speaker 1: But when you build up Tyson, you give him the extension,
• 7:13
  Speaker 1: I would guess that he would get a start. And
• 7:16
  Speaker 1: if he does, this might be the only snaps we
• 7:18
  Speaker 1: see of Case Keenum. And if that is the last
• 7:21
  Speaker 1: snaps he ever takes in his career, what an incredible moment.
• 7:26
  Speaker 1: In Chicago, Soldier Field, as an underdog at home, and
• 7:30
  Speaker 1: just absolutely light up Vic Fangio and that defense like
• 7:33
  Speaker 1: a Christmas tree. And outplay Caleb Williams by a pretty
• 7:38
  Speaker 1: wide margin. You know, I mean, if you just, obviously
• 7:40
  Speaker 1: the stat sheet, he threw for 100 more yards than him.
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  Speaker 1: He completed eight more balls. They relied on him more.
• 7:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, he threw the ball 34 times. He was
• 7:51
  Speaker 1: just efficient, effective, and was really fantastic. And, you know,
• 7:56
  Speaker 1: it's like Ben Johnson versus Sirianni. Like, it's not Ben
• 8:00
  Speaker 1: Johnson versus Sirianni. Like, Sirianni doesn't call any of the
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  Speaker 1: sides of the ball. Right? It's really Ben Johnson versus
• 8:07
  Speaker 1: Vic Fangio. Right? I mean, that's a fact. That's what
• 8:11
  Speaker 1: tonight is about. And Dennis Allen against Sean Mannion. Like,
• 8:14
  Speaker 1: that's the game. I mean, Sirianni, who, listen, his record
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  Speaker 1: speaks for itself. He's been very, very successful. He's a
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowl champion. You can never take that away from him.
• 8:25
  Speaker 1: But I do believe And listen, coaches get emotional. They
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  Speaker 1: get angry. I totally allow that. I got no problem
• 8:33
  Speaker 1: with screaming. Belichick screamed at players in his heyday on
• 8:36
  Speaker 1: NFL films. It happens. But I don't know another coach
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL that, you know, Jalen gets crushed on
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: the sideline, which, like, this isn't two-hand touch. This is tackle.
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  Speaker 1: It was like right on the out-of-bounds line. It was
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  Speaker 1: like he's a running quarterback, which is a power that
• 8:56
  Speaker 1: he possesses. So my guy Charles Woodson said, he was
• 8:59
  Speaker 1: in bounds. It's like, this is, what's he supposed to do? Hey,
• 9:03
  Speaker 1: just go on out of there. Like, that's not the
• 9:05
  Speaker 1: way this sport goes. He gets hit, he flies, gets decleted.
• 9:10
  Speaker 1: Sirianni's all up in his feelings. Obviously, Jalen was fine,
• 9:14
  Speaker 1: and the Eagles got screwed because he's got to go
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: to the blue 10. He's not concussed, and then Andy
• 9:18
  Speaker 1: Dalton throws the touchdown. I'll give the Eagles a pass
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: on that drive. The red rifle comes in, drives in
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  Speaker 1: the field, throws the pick. But Sirianni pointing at the
• 9:31
  Speaker 1: Bears linebacker that took him out and screaming, you're a pussy,
• 9:33
  Speaker 1: you're a pussy on Monday Night Football. Sirianni's taking a
• 9:38
  Speaker 1: guy from the third level at the Lincoln Financial and
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  Speaker 1: giving him a headset and making him the head coach.
• 9:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's pretty crazy when you really think about it.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that I'm offended or anything. I
• 9:48
  Speaker 1: don't care. It's funny. But no other coach in the
• 9:51
  Speaker 1: league is doing that. It's like, is it pussy, Nick? Like,
• 9:54
  Speaker 1: the guy would probably beat the fuck out of you. Obviously,
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: Big Dom would have your back and protect you. But like,
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: come on. Like, the NFL's fine and use check for
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: drinking beers when it's juice. Sirianni's got to get fined
• 10:07
  Speaker 1: for screaming you're a pussy to another player in the
• 10:11
  Speaker 1: middle of the game. I thought that was pretty egregious,
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: you know? And especially it's like, hey man, your offense
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: has issues. Like one thing you never have to worry
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: about again if you're a Bears fan. It will never
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: cross your mind. Is our offense going to work? That
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: is the power of having, not a good, a great
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. Can you win when you're starting quarterbacks on
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: the sideline? Kind of looking like he's about to go
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: rob a bank. I mean, that picture went pretty viral.
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: The shades, granted he took them off. But kind of funny,
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: you know, I think it was like the Blu-ray, you know,
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: glasses that kind of help you fall asleep after the game.
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: that one. But the power of a great offensive play
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: caller is when you're starting quarterback, who after the first game,
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: people were like, this guy can win the MVP. I mean,
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: he's the number one overall pick. He's just gone. And
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: who knows? Maybe let's just assume Caleb's gone several games.
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: Can you just win? Because let's just go in this century, right?
• 11:13
  Speaker 1: The best coaches, Andy Reid back to Philly, McNabb missed
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: a bunch of games, won games with all sorts of quarterbacks.
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: You know, you go back to Sean Payton, Drew Brees
• 11:23
  Speaker 1: got hurt, he's won games with Teddy Bridgewater and Jameis
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: Winston in New Orleans. Kyle Shanahan last year won a
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: bunch of games with Mac freaking Jones. Made him a
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: legit trade asset. That is the power of having an
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: offensive coach who is great. And that's what, like, I
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: already thought this about Ben Johnson, but you have moments
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: like this with Case Keenum. Now, I get it. Jared
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: Goff wasn't viewed as the number one overall pick when
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: the Lions got him. Like, his stock was really down.
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: But he was the number one overall pick. When his
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: career's over, he'll make $ 500 million in career earnings. Like,
• 11:58
  Speaker 1: he's a pretty high-end player. You know, several Pro Bowls,
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: ton of crazy stats, go to the playoffs a bunch. Like,
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: it's a high-end player. And Caleb is viewed as like
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: an elite talent. But you can just win games with
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: 38-year-old Case Keenum against a playoff team. That is big time.
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: So whatever the Bears are paying Ben Johnson, which by
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: all accounts was a lot of money. I think it
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: was like $ 13 million. The Bears definitely never paid a
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: coach that much. He is severely underpaid. It's not even close.
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: And on the flip side, it's like, well, Sirianni, the
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: offense is not his baby. They hire Sean Mannion, who
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: runs a complete different offense than Jalen's ever ran. who
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: runs an offensive, or I mean a run-oriented offense, in theory.
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: And early in this game, the Bears defense, based on
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: their personnel, I don't think we'd call like some elite unit.
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: And Saquon looked good. It kind of felt like high
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: school watching him. I know he got the stinger. He's
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: got kind of the little cowboy collar thing on. So
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: I got... This is like 24, Saquon. The burst, the explosion.
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: He was really productive. 10-7, come out of half. What
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: do the Eagles do? Three and out, three and out,
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: three and out. But it's not just, listen, sometimes you
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: go three and out. Bill Walsh went three and out.
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: Your run game is working. When Ben Johnson and his
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: run game gets going, do you know what he does?
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: He calls another run. Then he calls another run. Because
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: not only is it effective, you start controlling and dictating
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: the game time-wise, and you physically exhaust and emotionally wipe
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: out the other team. It takes their soul. And Saquon
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: had moments early on, it's like, just keep handing them
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: the rock. And the first two drives, the first two
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: three and outs of the second half after Saquon had
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: a bunch of momentum in the game. Run, pass, pass. Run, pass, pass.
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: And this is what I said. It's like everyone shits
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: on the Eagles coordinators when it's not going well. And
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: maybe some of these guys aren't that good. I don't know. Right?
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: Kellen Moore as Tyler Shuck, who's like 30 years old,
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: throwing four or five touchdown passes a game. So obviously
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: he's a good offensive line. But everyone told me the
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: guy last year was an idiot. So you hire this
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: new guy. It's like, well, he's going to implement this
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: new system. They look exactly the same. And there's no rhythm.
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: There's no flow to their play calling. When you watch
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: a good play caller, it just... there's like a consistent
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: theme to what they're doing. I feel like the Eagles
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: are just closing their eyes and throwing darts at the wall,
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: hoping one sticks. And sometimes it does. All of a sudden,
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: Jalen will make a big play or Saquon will have
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: like a 15, 20 yard run. But a lot of
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: times it's like, is that one of the worst offensive
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: series I've ever seen? Punt. They just do that again? Punt.
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: They do that all the time. And obviously Jalen, again,
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: he got screwed. They were driving the field and he
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: gets yanked out after the big hit of a concussion
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: that he didn't have because of the rules in the NFL.
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: And obviously he was mad and Dalton throws the pick.
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: But then the second half, when the game's still on
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: the balance, there is no flow to their passing game.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: And it's, you know, Makai Lemon was, I think, banged
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: up in training camp. You draft him number 20 overall. Like,
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: we've seen some guys... what pick was JSN? You know,
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: it's like the expectation, what pick was Justin Jefferson? You know,
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: my expectations for a guy drafted 20 at wide receiver
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: is pretty high. And I'm not just blaming him because
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: a couple of times, maybe he's open, Jalen's just not there.
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: But their rapport right now is nonexistent. And, you know,
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: you can tell me the A.J. Brown thing he had
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: to go, and I understand that, right? There are personal dynamics.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: You got to get a divorce he wants out. But
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: you feel that big presence of that. Like, Devontae Smith
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: weighs 180 pounds. Excellent player, and he's your number one.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: But it's like, you're going to depend on this rookie
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: who feels a little overwhelmed. Wicks. You know, Dallas Goddard's out.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: So it's like, Saquon isn't exactly like Gibbs out of
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: the backfield in terms of throwing him the ball. So
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: you're pretty dependent on the wide receivers. Jalen's not the
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: tallest guy. And their passing game, to me, just looks
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: identical to last year. So you can remove and insert
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: a new person and things stay the same. You know,
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: he obviously threw the bad interception where, in his mind,
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: and why would you not? I'm going to Devontae Smith
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: no matter what. That's who I'm going to. Because unlike
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: previous years, I got Devontae and AJ. And, you know,
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Goddard's are injured. So you typically would have three options
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: of pretty elite pass catchers. Now it's like, Goddard's injured.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: You have... A.J. also injured on another team. Like, I
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: definitely don't trust this rookie from USC that might not
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: have any clue what's going on. I'm just not throwing
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: the ball. And I'm just going to lock in on this.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: And I throw it right to the other team. I mean,
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: I hit him right in the numbers. And that's what happened.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: And it just feels like I just couldn't believe they
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: got away from the run game early in the third quarter.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: And a good offensive coordinator. And I'm not putting that
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: on Jalen. Like, that's on the coordinator. Like, we're calling
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: three straight fucking runs coming out of this half. We
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: have Saquon Barkley, who makes a boatload of money and
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: who showed flashes of being the guy that we paid
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: a boatload of money for and he deserved it. Which,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: you know, hadn't really seen last, I feel like, last
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: year and not really this year either. Not always his fault,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: the O-line, but like, today he was going as he should.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: The Bears defense, this is 1985. And then you just
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: get away from it. And, you know, the other element
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: to the Eagles, like their defense statistically through three games
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: is not good. They get no pressure. They get no pressure.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: They've paid Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis a lot of money. Now,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: in fairness to them, I, you know, we were eating
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: dinner and stuff. Didn't have the volume super loud. I
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: don't remember hearing the defensive tackles names that often. Definitely
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: didn't feel their presence in the second half. Like, I mean,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: part of paying Jalen Carter, like he's going to be
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Aaron Donald. Or Miles Garrett is like, I kind of
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: need you to be that. And then they're not getting
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: any pressure off the edge. They have three sacks on
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: the season. I saw in terms of the time in
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: which they get pressure, it's the slowest in the league.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: They haven't created a turnover. I mean, Fangio's making a ton.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Quinion Mitchell's making some plays. Their DBs are okay, but
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: their front is just, they're just not getting to the quarterback.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like Case Keenum was just one
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: step get rid of the ball. He had some time
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: back there. So when you look at the Bears, like, yeah,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: they're going to have some defensive issues in some games.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: But their coach is elite at calling plays. He will
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: figure it out, and clearly he has a great idea
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: of how to create a game plan going into a game.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: What's like the Eagles is like... There's no balance. It's like, well,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: the offense is not doing that good, and the defense
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: isn't doing that good, and they don't really work together.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: They're like independent contractors. Head coach is calling his opponent
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: a gigantic pussy. You know, it's like, what is going on?
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: And I get it. Sirianni's emotional. I am too. Many
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: of you are too. We're humans. But it's like, head coach,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Monday Night Football, you're screaming that while your team looks
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: like crap? I mean, come on, man. Come on, bro.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: What are we doing? And Ben Johnson just kicks your
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: ass for the second straight year. Like there's no, like
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: right now, the Ben Johnson era, there is some serious
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: ownage of the Eagles. Serious ownage. I mean, that is,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: that's back to back years of like, yeah, we're going
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: to bully you. It's one thing last year, Caleb's playing. Yeah,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: we're going to bully you with Case Keenum. We're going
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: to bully you. That's a tough one for Philly. He's
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: not going to be happy. Oh yeah, you got the
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Rams coming up who are licking their wounds and have
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: an extra day of rest. And the Bears get the Jets, who,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: as of Monday, look like they got it. some serious
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: injuries to some impact players on offense who are very
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: important for the Jets, and they've looked good through three games.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: But Garrett Wilson, Brees Hall, I think Brees Hall is
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: definitely week to week. We'll have to monitor what happens
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: to Garrett. But fantastic win for the Bears. And Ben Johnson, man,
• 20:05
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• 21:54
  Speaker 1: let's go to the Minnesota Vikings and their decision to
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: punt on J.J. McCarthy. They didn't wave the white flag
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: today or on Monday when they traded him in the
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: New York Giants. They did that way early in the offseason.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Anyone with a working brain and wasn't emotionally tied to
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: this situation knew it was over before it even began.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: After last season, for a team that feels they are
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: ready to compete, when they brought in Kyler Murray and
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: then re-signed Carson Wentz. And once they announced at the
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: start of the season that he was the third string quarterback,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: it was like, there's no going back. Because the second
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: string quarterback essentially played two games. Kyler Murray got hurt
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: on the first series of the game, week one. So
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Carson Wentz played all week one and obviously started week two.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: They were done with J.J. McCarthy. And football, like in life,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: you're gonna make mistakes. And in this line of work,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: you're dealing with human beings. You are projecting out people
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: in a pressure-packed public environment with a ton of money
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: on the line. And one thing I enjoy about the
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: NFL right now is it kind of parallels society. You know,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: people can bitch and moan how, you know, great the
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: 90s and the 80s and the 70s and how much
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: slower-paced life was. And I agree. There are parts of
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: that that were probably would be healthier in our life.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: But we're not going back. And the pace in which
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: everything happens now is rapid speed. In a lot of industries,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: you got to pivot fast because of what is on
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: the line. And football used to have a longer runway
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: as a coach, as a quarterback, as at really any position.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Because once you were drafted high or became the head
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: coach somewhere and got a four or five year contract,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: they didn't have the financial means to pay you to
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: go away. The league wasn't this multi-billion dollar industry. So
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: you weren't coaching year to year. unless you were an
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Andy Reid or Bill Belichick. And now it feels like,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: like Matt LaFleur made the playoffs last year. And it
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: feels like he's a couple games away from everyone wanting
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: to be fired in the middle of the season. And honestly,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: it doesn't even feel that weird. We have now seen
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: countless quarterbacks drafted high by year three, we're over you,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: no chance. You know why? Because the pressure and the
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: intensity on that operation to win is so high. And
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: if you don't, you will get fired. Unless you're the
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Colts and somehow Ballard and Shane Stein can keep holding on.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: But a huge part of this decision by the Minnesota
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Vikings was, we can't play a game with this guy.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: This guy can't function in our offense. And listen, did
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: they mis-evaluate J.J. McCarthy? Of course they did. He has
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: serious flaws. He has no touch. He can't layer throws.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: He struggles to throw change-ups. And in the NFL, you
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: can't only throw fastballs. You have to layer balls over defenders.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: You have to have touch on certain routes throughout the
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: game when pressure is impacting you. You have to stand
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: within the pocket and deliver strikes accurately. And clearly he
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: was incapable of doing that. And they told you this
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: offseason when they brought in multiple guys, well, I guess
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Wentz back and Kyler Murray, they were done with him.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: And once it becomes public, he didn't win the job. Well, actually,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: he didn't win the second string job. It was over.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Because this season is a good example. If he was
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: the backup quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings, he would have
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: essentially just played two of their three games. Because Kyler
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Murray got hurt in the first series when he got
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: knocked out against the Packers. Carson Wentz played that entire
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: game and then he started the next week. They were
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: not comfortable with putting him on the field because no
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: matter what they say, they didn't trust him to run
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: the offense. And by year three, he couldn't get it done.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: And historically, you would have ridden it out a little bit.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Even if he wasn't playing, you probably aren't shipping a
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: 23-year-old out of town. But the pressure, the intensity, no
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: one has time anymore. And listen, you can say that
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: is a problem in the NFL, in society. We're so
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: rushed and everything moves faster than it ever has. But
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: that is the world we live in. And the Minnesota Vikings,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: I never have a problem with being aggressive. and swinging
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: for the fences. And sometimes when you do that, you
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: make contact and the ball goes over the fence. And
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: you hit a home run. And sometimes you swing and
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: you miss. And football is never going to change. You
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: are going to draft players in the first round that
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: are not going to work for whatever reason. Maybe it
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: is your team sucks and you're the problem. In this case,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: I think it's pretty fair to say J.J. McCarthy is
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: the problem. And for the Minnesota Vikings, he could not play. Now,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know what changes overnight, like coaching points that
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: are different from Nagy and Callahan and Greg Roman. I
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: don't really even think it's about that. The Giants are
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: operating out of desperation. They have Jameis Winston, who can't play.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: His arm doesn't seem to work. He had a play
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: yesterday where where he clearly went the right way and
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: took out Cam Scadaboo, which they are extremely lucky. He
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: didn't knock him back into the end zone for safety.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: He did dislodge the ball. They pick up a scoop
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: and score. It could have been a disaster. Jameis is
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: an entertaining individual. He's funny. He has some great pregame
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: speeches that go viral. He was entertaining when they incorporated
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: him in the World Cup. But if he has to
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: play quarterback for your team, and you're not playing someone
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: like the Tennessee Titans, who absolutely blow, you're gonna lose.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: And if you play a capable franchise, like the Rams,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: like the Eagles, like the Cowboys, like a lot of
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: teams around the NFL, you are gonna get your ass kicked.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: And I think the Giants went, well, we could just
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: keep rolling this out, or we could take a flyer
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: that doesn't cost us anything. A fifth round pick in
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: 2026 has never meant less. With the NIL, guys returning
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: to school, drafts are going to get not as deep
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: as they have been in years past because you got
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: less early entrance. You got more guys hanging on to
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: every year of eligibility. Now this new rule that passed,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: every guy has five years. Guys are going to stay
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: an extra year in college. It's going to keep rolling
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: over year to year. I have no problem with giving
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: that up. You say, well, why would you even give
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: up a fifth round pick? You couldn't get him for
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: like a seventh? Because I bet Minnesota would say, hey, listen,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: we will just keep him. He's not a malcontent. We're
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: not going to play him, but he is ours. We
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: drafted him. We've been paying him. And if you want him,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: this is the bare minimum we can trade him for.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: If you can't hit this threshold, we will just keep
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: rolling it out. Even if that means he's inactive every
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: game day. We're not just going to hand him to
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: you for something that feels like nothing. Even though I
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: think when you take a step back, I would say
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: the Giants got him for nothing. And J.J. McCarthy now
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: has an opportunity. Like, here's the thing. I have no
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: problem with what Kevin O'Connell said when he says organizations
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: fail quarterbacks. Because I think there's a lot of truth
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: to that. We saw that happen to Sam Darnold. I
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: know Baker's had a really rough season. But clearly... you know,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: the Brown situation, you could say failed Baker Mayfield. And
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: you've seen a lot of those throughout the history of
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: the NFL. I lived it when I was in college
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: watching the 49ers with Alex Smith. And then once they
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: became a capable organization, his career, he went on to
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: be a solid quarterback. So I believe there's truth to that.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: But there's also truth to that, to the fact that
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: not everyone can play in the NFL. It's a tiny,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: tiny percentage. You know when you're playing high school football
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: and you kind of see the numbers of the guys
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: that go Division I? And you're like, God, you kind
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: of look back how many guys you played that went
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: on to play Division I football. Depending if you were
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: like Los Angeles, maybe you saw more. But I remember
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: in my couple years, I saw like two players. One
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: went to USC and one went to like Oregon State.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Because it's really, really difficult. A tiny, tiny percentage of
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: guys can make that jump. And then even if you're
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: playing at Texas or Oregon or Ohio State, not everyone
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: goes to play in the pros. Not everyone can make
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: that jump. Actually, the majority of the guys join the
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: workforce in normal life like me and you. And just
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: because you start on a team that's really, really good
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: does not mean you're going to be a capable player
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: in the NFL. Look how often guys all over the
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: league make teams play in the league that did not
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: play at Alabama, that did not play at Texas or Georgia, right?
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, look at the guy that filled in for
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. He was an undrafted free agent from Kansas
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: who won the job, who just went to training camp
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: when the dust settled, They viewed him as the second
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: best quarterback. Well, it's like, what did they see? Like,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: this is the NFL, which is much harder in college
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: because this position is very, very difficult. I think most
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: would say it's the hardest thing to do in all
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: of sports. So it's really, really hard to evaluate you
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: in college, whether you're at a bad team and having
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: to do everything. For every Patrick Mahomes that played on
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: some team with average talent, put up godly stats. We've
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: seen a lot of those guys. get their opportunities and
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: stink or not be able to cut it. And we've
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: seen a lot of guys at the big time programs
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: over the history of college football pre-transfer portal that played
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: on the powerhouses that could not play in the league either.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: That's never going to change because there is an intangible,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: innate aspect to playing football, especially quarterback, that is hard
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: to quantify, that's hard to judge. Now, there were some
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: flaws with J.J. McCarthy as a player. that if you
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: look back in college, the layering of throws, the touch throws,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: that he can't do now. And is that going to change?
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: I would doubt it. Because you go, well, how can
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: you develop a quarterback? How can you get a guy
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: to take a step? Well, some guys have that natural ability.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: It just needs to be harnessed. And really what you're
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: teaching them are the concepts and the understanding of your offense.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: And if I am a natural thrower of the ball,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: I have natural touch. I'm only going to get better
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: and better as I master, whether it's Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan, LaFleur,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell, Andy Reid, Sean Payton, whoever the offensive coordinator is,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: their offense. And once I get an understanding of that,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: the game becomes easier, even if the game is really,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: really hard. Like right now, Kirk Cousins, he has thrown,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: I think, nine touchdowns on the season, three touchdowns a game.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Don't you think one big advantage he has, because he
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: can't move, and I would say his arm is slightly
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: above average, if he is set. If he's not set,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: his arm immediately goes below average. But why do you
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: think he's having success? Because he knows that offense like
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: the back of his hand. He didn't show up to
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: the Raiders and come week one, week two, week three,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: was still cramming and trying to understand the nuances of
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: of what his head coach, who is also the play caller,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: is asking him to do. He understands it. If anything,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: I would guess if you talk to their staff, you'd go,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: he's actually helping a lot of the skill guys. He's
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: actually helping the offense, the other players in the huddle,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: on a weekly basis, on a daily basis, what to do.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: So when you've got a J.J. McCarthy situation, you're teaching
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: him this complicated thing, which is an NFL offense. and
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: you're trying to improve his skills, which might not be improvable.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Like that's just, like some guys, like why do some
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: defensive linemen or offensive linemen, guys taken in the first round,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: not live up to the hype, but maybe go on
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: to have long careers? Because it turns out their skill set,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: whether it's their power, whether it's their functional athleticism, whatever
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: it may be, might not be as good as it
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: was viewed coming out of college. And I think the
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: nuances to quarterbacks, and here's the thing with Minnesota, they
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: had the opportunity to re-sign Sam Darnold and they didn't. Obviously,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: they regret that decision. But I got news for you,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: in the history of my life, just like in the
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: history of your life, maybe you get second chances, whether
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: it's getting in trouble, whether it's getting the opportunity to
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: take the girl that you broke up with years ago
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: back on a date and rekindle a relationship, that happens.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: But once you make a decision, you can't go back
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: two years, five years, ten years later and ever change
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: that decision. It's forever. It's no different with the draft picks.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Obviously they regret making those decisions. But all you have
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: to do is now make decisions based on your mistake.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: And the quickest way to magnify a mistake is to
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: hold on. And where I will give them credit, there
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: weren't that many options this offseason, they pivoted. And I've
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: been doing this long enough to know when they signed
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Kyler and then re-signed Carson to guaranteed multiple millions, I said,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: JJ's done. It's clear JJ's done. And once it became public,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: didn't win the starting job. Oh, actually, didn't win the
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: backup job. It was over. And they just needed someone
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: to offload them on. The problem is when the season started,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: like after the cut down, at that time, no one
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: was going to trade anything for a guy making a couple,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: you know, it's not like JJ makes the veteran minimum.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: He was the 10th pick in the draft. Well, how
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: do they get the Giants to splurge here? Desperate. And
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I don't blame the Giants for being desperate. Their starting
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: quarterback knee got snapped in half. They're playing Jameis Winston
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: where it's not a sustainable, you know, I would say
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: solution over the course of the next three months. You
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: don't get to play the Titans, Robert Sala, Brian Dayball,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: and Cam Ward every single week. So you got to
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: take some swings. It's like, well, they listed some other quarterbacks.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Why didn't they trade for Mac Jones? Because the 49ers
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: have seen this song and dance where Brock Purdy goes
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: down and Mac Jones comes in and wins them games.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: So they're probably like, hey, you can have Mac Jones,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: but we're going to need a second round pick. And
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: if you're the Giants, it's like, well, what if we
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: end up going five and 12? And that second round
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: pick is 39. Guess what? You would regret that. So yeah,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: is Mac Jones a more functional player or you insert
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: solid backup, whoever, but better than J.J. McCarthy? Of course.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: But you also got to be pretty careful about like,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: you're not a trade away right now, given your options
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: of saving your season. Now, maybe you strike, you know,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: a little, a little oil, right? And he is actually
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: better than you thought. Maybe it meshes, maybe you're able
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: to fix a couple of things and it makes your
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: season a little bit more respectable. But like they told
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: you what they were willing to pay. And I think Minnesota,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: this goes back to, there were talks about him getting
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: cut three weeks ago. But when you've drafted him really high,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: even if the new GM didn't pick him, Kevin's still there,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: there's ownership involved, these become complicated situations. But this is
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: going to happen again. I saw this coming from a
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: mile away. I had no clue how this college football
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: season was going to play out. But if I had
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: to bet, was it more likely to play out the
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: way it has or the way everyone had it scripted?
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: There are going to be seven quarterbacks going in the
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: top 20. Probably not. That's probably not going to be
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: the case. And how is it playing out right now?
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Are there going to be a bunch of quarterbacks going
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: in the first round? Not based on the first month
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: that we've seen. So I think when you look at
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: the J.J. McCarthy situation, it's a pretty good lesson. Not
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: that you can't take a flyer on a guy. It's
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: not a flyer when you take him in the first round,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: but not be aggressive on trying to land your franchise quarterback,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: in which they did. It's that once you realize that
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: he is not the guy, you got to move on.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: No different with coaches. Like, I understood why the Raiders
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: hired Pete Carroll. What were their other options last year?
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: The moment you realize this is a nightmare, this old
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: rich guy who spent 15 years living next to Bill
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Gates and Steve Ballmer in Seattle, filthy rich before he
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: even got to the Seahawks where he made probably $ 200
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: million over the course of 15 plus years, is absolutely shot.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: And at this point in time is washed. We got
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: to pivot. And what did they do? They paid him
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: to go away. And then they got Kubiak, and now they,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if they're going to win
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: 10 games, but they are clearly now a franchise that
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: feels like they're on the path to respectability. The Vikings
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: have no answer at quarterback. Like, when 2027 comes, and assuming,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: let's just say they go 10-7. That means they're not
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: drafted that high. But Kyler Murray, I don't even think
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: they're allowed to franchise him, given the way the deal
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: was set up. Obviously, Carson Wentz is an average backup
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: at best. But it's like, we can't keep this situation around.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: And the other thing is when you keep a guy
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: like that around, it does take a lot of oxygen
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: of like, it's just a story that never leaves. And
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: an underrated part, I think, of this modern day football
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: that probably didn't play as much of a role throughout
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: definitely the 70s, the 80s, the 90s, even maybe like
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: 15 years ago, is your star players have a lot
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: of juice. Your star players have a lot of impact. One,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: you're paying them $ 20, $ 30, $ 40 million, some of your
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: high-end non-quarterback. And when they come to the coach and go,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: this guy can't play. You can't run this guy out there.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: The coach is not going to go, Mike Ditka, Tom Landry, well,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: it's my way or the highway, buddy. Like Justin Jefferson,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: I saw this with Trey Lance with the 49ers. Those
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: guys knew he couldn't play. So even if Kyle wanted
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: to justify the trade, he would lose the locker room.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: And you saw that last year. They started losing the
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: locker room. And players understand that they get when you
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: draft a guy, he's going to get some more chances.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: But once it plays itself out, this isn't just a problem.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: This is a detriment to every single play that we run.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: You've got to hang a left. You've got to remove
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: yourself from the situation. And that's what they did today.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: And if you're the Giants, you just go, hey, what
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: else we got to do? Keep rolling out Jameis? I mean,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: that's not a solution either. And Jake Hayter's my guy
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: from Fresno State, but he's bounced around practice squads. You
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: just see if, hey, we can find something here. It's like, well,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: what do you do with 2027? And you figure that
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: out next year. The NFL, more than ever before, And
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: especially even more than baseball and basketball because all these
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: contracts are kind of a fugazi. Most of them you
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: can get out of. The overwhelming majority of guys on
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: your roster are kind of year to year. Maybe two years.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: But most of these guys are not Deshaun Watson where
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: you're stuck with for years because of the structure of
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: their money. You just look at it like we're living
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: game to game. I say this all the time, like
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: when training camp starts, this is the pull and pull,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of the tug of war between front
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: office and the coach. The coaches are obsessed with week
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: one because that's their job, to win week one and
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: then figure it out week two and then figure it
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: out like they're living in the moment where the GM
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: is like, hey, I kind of like this guy. Maybe
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: by November and December, this guy can take off. And
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: when you get a head coach, one who's stable in
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: his job and knows he's not going anywhere, those are rare.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: How many guys in the NFL, if you think about it,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: are truly just on scholarship? No pressure to win at all. Obviously,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: most of them are actually winning, but how many guys
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: are on the Andy Reid plan? I'm a made man
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: in the mob. Truly in the NFL, not as many
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: as you think. Sean McVay, I would say Kyle in
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: San Francisco. You know, Sean Payton, but even early on,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: like with the Davis Webb thing, it got weird, but
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: he could always take that back. I would say he
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: clearly has the backing of the very powerful family that
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: has an unlimited amount of money. You'd say Mike McDonald,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: but they just got this new ownership. You never know. Like,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying I would ever fire Mike McDonald, but
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: the new ownership is a curveball into the organization. But
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: we'd all agree, like, their core GM and coach are
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: as good as it gets in the NFL. I would say,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: look at the Eagles. I'm recording this before a Monday
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: night game. I'd say how he's on scholarship. I'm not
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: using that as, like, a negative connotation. Sometimes that word
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: is used, like, oh, this guy's on. Like, they've earned
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: the right. Like, is John Harbaugh? Like, yeah, he's getting
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: paid a lot of money. But if I tell you
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: in two and a half years, he won seven games,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: seven games, and then this team's not that good. Like,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: that's a problem. Mike Vrabel. It's like, oh, Mike Vrabel's
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: the greatest thing since sliced bread. I mean, this is
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: a disaster. What if Drake May just crumbles? What are
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: they going to do? Mike Vrabel's just a sacred cow
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: because he played there, you know, back in the heyday
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: of 2002 and 2005. A lot of people won't give
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: a shit if in back-to-back years you've won six games,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: which right now they look headed for a potential disastrous season.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: It can change really, really fast. And a lot of
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: guys probably have windows that are less than two years.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: If Brian Schottenheimer doesn't win, is he going to be
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: the head coach in 2028? No chance. You look at
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Robert Sala, who was this desired figure this offseason. It's
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: not inconceivable that he's one and done. I would give
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: him a little bit longer leash personally, but like, I
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: don't know. The owner for the Titan, she's a kook. Like,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: I could see her firing everybody if they win like
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: two games, which clearly is on the table. And that's
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: how fast it changes. where I go back to growing up,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: college and the pros, you had a lot of guys
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: in a lot of places for a long time. If
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: you just had somewhat moderate success, college or pro, you
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: could stay there for a long, long, many, many years.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: That is just not the case anymore. Very, very few
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: people fall under that category. And obviously in football, the
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: quarterback has such a direct correlation to your success. and
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: the publicity they get, the amount of oxygen they take.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: And the other thing, and I talked about this during camp,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: once a season starts, there's not much development going on
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: to guys who are third stringers. Because during the week,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: the only thing the Minnesota Vikings were focused on last
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: week or two weeks ago, even when Carson Wentz was
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: out and J.J. was the backup, how do we beat
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: the Bears? how do we beat the Tampa Bay Buccaneers?
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: It's not like, let's spend three hours developing this guy
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: on the side after. You don't have time. It takes
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: so much energy and effort to figure out game plans,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: to get the guys who are playing dialed in, to
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: fill in the spots where, hey, my right guard broke
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: his leg. I got this practice squad guy coming up.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: He's going to play in the game. So it's like, hey,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: do we worry about developing this guy that might play
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: but probably won't or get the guy that we know
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: is going to play and focus our energy there? Now,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: you could also argue that, well, they got 7 million
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: coaches on every staff. What the hell are they doing?
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: That is a great question. There are a lot of
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: people in the sport of football with the inflow of
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: money who I would say are taking advantage. Now, there
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: are some guys that have like the third coach in
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: a position room who one day will be the next coach.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin or Dan Lanning or Mike McDonald. For sure.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: But there are a lot of guys who probably aren't
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: doing that much. And the reality is... I just think
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: this long-term view doesn't really exist anymore. It truly doesn't.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: And J.J. McCarthy got caught up going to an organization
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: that had super high expectations. But can we just call
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: a spade a spade? If he had gone to a
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: place that had no expectations... and were terrible, it would
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: have looked even worse. He went to a spot with
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: superstar wide receiver and an incredible number two wide receiver,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: a good tight end, good running backs, and a head
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: coach who is a former quarterback that calls the plays
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: and is proven with veteran players to be very successful.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: So I think sometimes you just go, yeah, he wasn't
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: good enough. I've been in situations, you've been in situations,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: clearly with much less on the line, where you walk
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: away and you just go, I'm not talented or good
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: enough to do that role, to do that job, especially young.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: And maybe, who knows, five years, we look back and J.J.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: McCarthy is a success story. He's 23 years old. His
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: story's not written. I mean, he's honestly not that much
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: different than a guy that's drafted in the seventh round
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: who gets cut, who spends his first couple years on
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: a practice squad, then all of a sudden, by the
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: time he's 26, he has like a four or five
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: year career playing as a rotational guy at some positions.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: not every guy is Patrick Mahomes. Not every guy is
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, right? But again, at the quarterback position, let's
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: use those two guys as examples. Because unlike JJ, who
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: won a national championship, they came from Texas Tech and Louisville,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: who were not competing for the national championships. When you
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: watch those two guys play, different skill sets, both of
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: them have a natural feel for the position. It just
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: comes very natural to them. And when you watch JJ McCarthy,
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: it's the complete opposite. Everything feels forced. Everything feels mechanic.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: He's thinking about his mechanics. Very mechanical is the word
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: I'm looking for. And it's, I would say, hard to
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: watch because of that. And that's a huge part of
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: playing the quarterback position. It's just kind of being natural.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: The analytical guys hate this, but do you got it?
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Because if you don't, I think we could argue until
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: we're blue in the face, but I do think it's very,
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: very difficult to develop that. And some guys do later
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: in their career, most do not. So this saga of
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: JJ is now officially over, and we can move on.
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• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Mike Sando had an article to do today about Drake
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: May and he talked to some coaches because about the
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: struggles and the issues with Drake May. And he got
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: a couple coaches to go on record. Or I guess
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: it was just one guy. And this really stuck out
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: to me. He said the best players, their fundamentals are
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: impeccable and very repeatable. This guy's are not. He has nervous,
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: happy feet. He does not throw off a sturdy platform.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: He is not really accurate on the move and tries
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: for the heroics. He then paused and added this. He
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: looks like he is watching Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers in
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: primetime games and is at the flag football game on
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: Saturday afternoon trying to play copycat. I think there's some
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: truth to this. Because when you watch Drake May play,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: he does feel much more like the modern quarterback or
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: trying to emulate the modern quarterback. Run around and make plays.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: And last year, it worked. And his deep ball accuracy
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: was excellent. But is that a repeatable skill over time?
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: Because when I watch Patrick Mahomes... You know, this version
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: at 30 is different than when he was 24, 25.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: But even then, he could annihilate you from the pocket.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: What Josh Allen has turned into. What Lamar does, Lamar
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: scrambles around a little bit when it's hectic. But once
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: the ball leaves his hand, when he's humming, he hits
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: guys in stride on the move. When you watch Drake May,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: when the ball leaves his hand, I mean, by the
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: middle of that game yesterday... When that ball left his hand,
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: you had no faith that it was going to be
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: close to the wide receiver. Now, confidence is a powerful thing,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: and clearly, he's lost his confidence. And it can be
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: very difficult for young people to build back that confidence.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: Once you have it, you feel invincible, especially when you're young.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: As you get older, I think there's some humility that
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: comes with life experience. that most of us, I would say,
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: and I know for me personally, you always feel a
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: little on edge no matter how great things are going
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: in life. Because you've lived long enough to know things
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: can change on the dime, that to be grateful for
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: the situation you're in and do everything possible to maintain it,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: things that are in your control. When you're young and
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: things are going well, it's easy to kind of feel
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: yourself a little bit. And I'm not saying that he's
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: cocky or arrogant about how easy the game of football was, but...
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: Last season was really easy until it wasn't in the playoffs.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Yet they still won and they still kept moving on
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: in the playoffs despite his poor play. Then obviously this
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: season has completely unraveled. And two of the three games were,
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, the ending of the Seattle game and obviously
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: the Jacksonville game were something that if they do not
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: get it figured out, this could derail their entire operation.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: And I do think Mike Vrabel and Josh McDaniels, they're
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: going to have to help him out. And look at
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: the Chiefs this offseason. Mahomes had, I think, developed some
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: bad habits. He had kind of turned into strictly hero ball.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: And they had run out of juice, and last year
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: was a disaster. And obviously he ends up getting injured
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: on a scramble. And this year, I think I heard
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: someone say he's only scrambled the last two weeks twice already.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: Because what's helped him out? When you can hand the
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: ball to the running back, it makes everything easier. We've
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: been calling it the quarterback's best friend, a running game,
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: since I was born. Because it truly is. Because whether
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: you're Joe Montana or whether you're Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: if your defense is playing well and you can run
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: the ball, boom. John Elway has said this forever. What
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: got him over the hump? Terrell Davis and we consider
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: John Elway the greatest quarterback talent of all time Josh
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Allen's now throwing his hat in the ring but obviously
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: one of the great quarterbacks in the history of the
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: sport and every time you hear him talk about how
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: did they finally break through they found a fucking running
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: back and they handed it to him and he ran
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: for 2,000 yards and dominated and became a hall of
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: famer with like a three and a half year career
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: So I think if you're the Patriots, the easiest way
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: to gain some of this confidence back, because let's face it,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: you can only do so much in practice. You can
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: only have so many one-on-one meetings in Vrabel or Josh's
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: office trying to build the guy back up. Because the
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: game's like, what's your judge done? And when they go poorly,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: it gets really, really ugly. And I can only imagine,
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: I clicked on a couple Boston Radio segments today, it's bad.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: Because they're just reacting to what they're seeing, which is horrendous.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: I think you have to find a way. Like, Vrabel
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: won a lot of games with Ryan Tannehill. How? They
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: played defense and they handed the ball to Derrick Henry.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: So it's like, you got to have a game plan
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: moving forward of like, how can we run for 130 yards?
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: How can we run for 150 yards? Slow down the game.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: Make it easier on the guy. Get back to working
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: on just some basic fundamentals. Like, bro, you're not Rodgers
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: in his prime. Not this first. You're not Mahomes or
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson. Stop playing like that. Because
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: when you play like that, it actually unravels and gets worse.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: So there is some tangible pressure on Mike Vrabel and
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels to figure this out. And I mentioned this
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: to Colin yesterday. Josh's success came with a guy that
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: runs like a 5.040. Who couldn't move. So he had
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: to be accurate. He had to play on time. His
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: fundamentals had to be elite. I remember talking to Hunter
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Mahan about this years ago. About Tiger Woods. And they've
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: done a million specials on it. Tiger Woods work ethic
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: on the basic stuff. His fundamentals on the shots were elite.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: So it's like this guy is the most talent. And
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: his basic fundamentals are the best when it comes to
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: the golf swing. Yeah. and obviously the intangible stuff and
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: the wiring is just better than you, of course he's
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: going to kick your ass. And it's been like that
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: forever with the top athletes in every sport. right? It's
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: a marriage between the intangibles, the fundamentals, and then you're
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: just God-given ability. And he has God-given talents, like his size,
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: his arm strength, his mobility, but they're not working right now.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: So to me, you kind of got to get back
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: to the basics. And I just think when it comes to...
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: To Drake May, you could say it's on him. It's
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: kind of on the coaching staff just to slow everything down.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: This is why Mike Vrabel makes a lot of money.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels is probably one of the highest paid offensive
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: coordinators in the league. He probably is the highest paid
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator in the league because most of the top
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: offensive coordinators are head coaches. Baker Mayfield is another good example.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: He's obviously injured now, but he's kind of been a
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: disaster this season. And when you watch him play, it
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: definitely feels like there's just a lot of freelancing going on.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: And I do think that this reflects the coaching staff,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: the head coach, the offensive coordinator. Clearly, they've lost the reins.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: And yesterday, I don't want to say worst case, because
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: to me, worst case, like losing yourself for the season,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: like a Jackson Dart. Well, what happened on the Jackson
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: Dart play? He was like 15 yards behind the line
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: of scrimmage. I'm not Andy Reid here when it comes
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: to scheme, but I'm pretty sure that he was way
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: too deep in the pocket, which led to those two
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: tackles riding those guys up the field. If he steps up,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: he's got some space. Or just drives up. Instead, he
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: leaps back and makes the throw, which he can because
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: he is a great athlete and has powerful tools in
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: terms of arm strength. But Baker's this guy who... You know,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: he's not a bad athlete, but sometimes he plays like
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: he's Lamar or Kyler in his prime. And it's like Baker.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: And listen, yesterday, Brian Flores had him seeing ghosts. I mean,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: that game was horrendous to watch. I mean, it really was.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: Both teams. It was pretty bad football, and I watched
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: way too much of it just because I had Tampa.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, many of you have heard the stat. I mean,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: they haven't covered a spread now in 12 straight games.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: So I think now Baker, like let's face it, this
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: year's kind of done. Like Tampa's going nowhere. They're not
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: going to win games with an undrafted free agent if
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: they can't win games with their $ 50 million quarterback. And
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: I think sometimes like maybe this is, same with the
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers, the difference is like Tampa has their pick.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: Green Bay does not. If they have an awful season,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: the Jets will eventually get that because the Cowboys traded
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: for Quinn and Williams and did like the best of
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: the two picks. But It's going to be incumbent on
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: the new coach because I think this coaching staff now
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: for back-to-back years has kind of proved that he's kind
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: of just doing his own thing. And I'm a Baker
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: Mayfield fan, but it's been tough to watch. I mean, honestly,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: the best football he's played this season is week one.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: where he had some really good moments against the Bengals.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: The problem was he fumbled three times. So it's like, yeah,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: I had some really good drives, but I also gave
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: the ball to the other team literally three times. That's
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: a bad game. Yeah, I mean, it's just... You know,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: the Jaden Daniels thing is, he showed serious signs of life,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: I would say. I thought week one... You know, coming
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: back from all the injuries last year, just looked a
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: little off and a little slow. But by week two, again,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: the Cowboys defense isn't that good. You start seeing some
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: signs of life. Like, okay, this is the guy, somewhat
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: of the guy that I remember from the rookie year.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: But then his arm goes. And now the report today
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: is that they're going to try to mix him in
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: in practice this week. My guess is Mariota plays again.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: But over the course of the next couple weeks, if
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: he's able to figure out a brace, he's going to
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: try to play. How can you have any faith that
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: his body can hold up? And that's the scary part about,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: you know, a player like him. Sometimes a guy like
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: him is the worst case scenario. Because you're like, oh,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: there's talent there. And you hold on. Like, it's easy
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: with J.J. McCarthy. Can't play, move on. It's harder with
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: a guy like Jaden Daniels. But I would say history
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: shows guys like that. I mean, there's been much talk
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: about his frame. For whatever reason, just can't hold up.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: Some people's bodies can just hold up in the NFL
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: for a long period of time. My wife looked at
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: me yesterday during dinner. She's like, Trevor Williams is really
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: 38 years old? I'm like, yeah, he's 38 years old.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: But this is like a rare creation from God. Like,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: there aren't many humans like that. Nick Bosa's a good example. Like,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: got hurt in high school, got hurt in college, been
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: hurt a lot in the pros. Like, for whatever reason,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: the makeup of his body, his muscles... It's really, really
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: difficult to play sustainable NFL football. When he's healthy and
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: on the field, he is an elite player. But he
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: gets hurt all the time. I mean, he literally just
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: got hurt in practice doing high knees. It's not because
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: he doesn't work hard, he doesn't train hard. Honestly, my
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: theory is always like, does he train too hard? Is
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: he too tightly wound? But some guys, and I've heard
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: stories like, I don't think Trent Williams is like the
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: craziest gym freak ever. Now, I think a lot of
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: guys that play with him is like, yeah, he's pretty lucky.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: He doesn't have to be. He just has this crazy strength.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: And you could probably go team to team. And some guys,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: as they age, what did they say on Sunday Night
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: Football game week two, where Collinsworth had clearly talked to
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Andy and Travis and Patrick about Travis? I'm 35 years
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: old now. I probably have to up my focus in
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: the offseason. From a training standpoint, from a cardio standpoint,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: I have to attack it differently. And he clearly looks
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: closer to prime Travis Kelsey than the guy we saw
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: last year. And he's a good example. I feel like
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: for whatever reason, it's not like he hasn't been tackled
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: a million times throughout his career of he just doesn't
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: get injured that often. We've seen other guys at the
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: position just get injured immediately. And there's no way to
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: understand why. No one really knows. If teams did, they
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: would never sign certain players and they would only sign
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: other players. But you have no clue. We talked about
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: this with the draft. Some guys just never get injured
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: in college. I think the stat was Ricky Pearsall never
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: missed a game. Played like five years in college, never
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: missed a game. Then he comes to the pros, literally
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: hurt all the time. And I'm just using him as
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: an example because it comes to the top of my head.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: You could use that with like half the draft. So
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: that's what makes this shit so complicated. You know, Lane Kiffin,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: I saw Whit Weeks, his star linebacker, who's actually dating
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: his daughter, broke his foot, or broke his leg, and
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: looks to be potentially out for the season. And Lane
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: kind of went on this, I would say, rant, and
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: I agree with him. And sometimes it feels like he's
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: making excuses, and I did think during the Ole Miss post-season,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: situation where he's like that was their super bowl like
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: what it's like lane it's okay you just got to
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: wear this one sometimes in life you got to take
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: it on the chin i do it all the time
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: in my home i'm just kind of wrong i cross
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: the line my fault or just don't say anything at
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: all just just keep it moving but he said i
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: think some of you guys talking to like the assembled
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: media who have been around the sec covering these teams
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: for a long time need to kind of change your
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: focus Because historically, the top five, ten teams in the country...
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: When they lost... Like if you're Ohio State, if you're Oregon,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: if you're LSU, if you're Georgia... If you have a
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: star player who's going to be a top couple round pick...
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: You lose that guy. Sucks. It's not ideal. But at
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: the best programs, if you're doing it right... His backup,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: who's probably not as good as him that day... Potentially
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: over the course of that season or the next two
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: seasons could be better. That is no longer the case.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: The depth of the top programs doesn't exist. I mean,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: Nick Saban used to have running back rooms with like
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: four guys who would be thousand yard rushers in the pros.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: He had a quarterback room with Jalen Hurts, Tua Tonga-Vailoa,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: and Mack Jones. Like... Once Raiola came in and started
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: playing well, we started thinking to ourselves, that's pretty crazy
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: that he's the backup. That's pretty nuts. It doesn't exist anymore.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: And I think college football, which actually makes it more entertaining,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: I would say it parallels the NFL way more than
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: it used to. Nick Saban's teams, Kirby Smart's teams years ago,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: some of the Urban Meyer, Ohio State, Florida teams... The
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: best NFL teams never go too deep with impact players.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: It's impossible, right? Where in college, that was pretty normal.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: Some of those Miami teams when I was a kid,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: they'd have position groups with like four future pro bowlers.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: It's like, well, this guy's a senior. They have Andre
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: Johnson running on kickoff because he's backing up these three guys.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: You're like, Jesus Christ. But it was just a reality
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: of college football. And I actually think it's made it
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: more entertaining now on Saturdays, any game anyone can win.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: Especially this year. like clearly Ohio State and Georgia look
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: excellent but if you told me over the next month
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: they lose a game it's definitely on the table because
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden you lose one ACL guy and
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: another rolled ankle and You have a couple positions of
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: strength that are now, we don't even trust this guy.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: It happened to Ohio State a couple years ago with
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: the offensive line. It happens all the time because they
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: used to just have too deep of NFL players. And
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: now they get dispersed because of the NIL. So from
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: an entertainment property on a weekly basis, Indiana Northwestern, even
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: last year, like his team was stacked. Well, what happened?
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: All those guys went to the draft. He lost quarterback.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: He lost a star corner. His wide receivers are still
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: pretty good, but he also lost multiple wide receivers. He
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: lost just offensive linemen who now starts for the Chiefs.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: It's just you're not going to be able to replace
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: it every single year. And you watch Indiana now. They're
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: still good. I would still, based on coaching and what
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: the program and the way they've operated for a couple years,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: expect them to win 10-plus games and be a playoff team. But, like,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: this team ain't going 16-0. And when the playoffs start,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: they could easily win a game, and they could also
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: easily get bounced. And I think that's a huge, huge
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: element of college football, which is a lot like the NFL.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: You know, it's so cliche, like, any given Sunday. But
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: it's kind of true. I said it going into last week.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: I'm like, ah, fuck. Commanders got no shot against Seattle.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: And through the first quarter, you're like, this is a game.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: You know, this is a game. Even Miami against the Chiefs.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: You know, it was a one-score game, the majority of it.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: Because in the NFL, it's kind of, you know, in college,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: we got really accustomed and it happens in these non-conference games,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: like 77 to nothing, 60 to nothing. Once these regular
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: season games happen, it's like, comes down to a series
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: here or a series there in a lot of these
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: conference games. It's kind of refreshing. Okay, let's answer some
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: mailbag questions. We will start with Raj. I know we
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: have gone back and forth a couple times on this topic.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: This guy sent me an email or DM before, but
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: it was top of mind, so I wanted to answer it.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: I just want to ask now if Tampa's current situation
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: has made you rethink Jason Light. I think Jason Light
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: is an excellent general manager. I think that after this season,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: if I owned the Buccaneers, I would get rid of
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: Todd Bowles and I would let Jason Light run a
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: coaching search. And I do think that a lot of
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: prominent coaches, the Tomlins of the world, whoever the best
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: guys are available, would be inclined to work with a
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: guy who has a proven track record of drafting well. Now,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: if you wanted to nitpick like the Baker situation, I
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: do think that that will work in their benefit this offseason.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: Of having Baker Mayfield, unless they get the number one
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: overall pick and there's a no-brainer to draft at number one.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: And then you probably have Baker mentor him. Would that
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: really work? That'd be tricky. But we'll cross that bridge
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: when we come to it. But let's just assume they
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: have like the eighth pick, seventh pick, the tenth pick.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: I would want Jason Light running my personnel department. I
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: think most people in the NFL, most non-Tampa Bay Buccaneer
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: fans today, which I understand everyone being mad, think he's
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: good at his job. This team right now is playing
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: really poorly. They easily could have won week one if
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: Baker's not fumbling all over the place. And obviously, you know,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: they played a team that had like 250 yards of offense.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: Their offense was just worse. And listen, the season can
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: get really ugly. It's probably not going to go well.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: I do think that he is a guy that I
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: would stick with. And I would imagine they stick with.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: And he will be the GM with a new coach
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: next year. The Todd Bowles thing has run its course.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: And I think Jason Light will get another coach. Someone
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: sent me this video. I used to hear this a
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: lot when I was in the Bay Area with the Raiders.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: It's like the league has it out for the Raiders.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: It's like, guys, they don't, I promise you. This isn't,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: you know, 1980 Pete Roselle and Al Davis going at
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: each other. They do not think about you guys. And
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: this is example 1,345,000 how the NFL hates the Saints.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: Every call goes against them. They did the Jason, uh,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: the Jared Goff pass of it going backwards and Chuck
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: had one yesterday. The Goff one, they got back incomplete.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: The Chuck one became a fumble. Uh, They don't hate you.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: I promise you they don't. You guys are going to
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: be okay. You're going to be okay. You guys will
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: win the division. I promise you. You'll win the division.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: I thought the NFL stood for not for long. I'm
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: five years into this Titans rebuild and they're still dog shit.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: Cam got a pass last year because of the situation,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: but this year it's all on him. The offensive line
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: is second in pass blocking efficiency. Tate looked good and
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: we have a real coaching staff. Sala is the defense
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: ready to play and Dayball is running real professional operation.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: All that to say, if this trends how we're all thinking,
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: Cam doesn't improve or show that he's the guy, the
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: Titans are likely picking one or two. Who is coming
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: to save us? Manning? Chambliss? Nashville is getting a new
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: stadium which looks sick and there's a good O-line here
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: and good weapons. Drop a quarterback who's ready and this
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: can start looking better fast. I totally agree. Cam Ward's
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: not going to be the quarterback next year. This is
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: Trey Lance. This is J.J. McCarthy. This is Anthony Richardson
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: all over again. And he's just not good enough. He's
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: actually really bad. He's just not an NFL quarterback. And,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: you know, a lot of people disagreed. I mean, I've
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: talked to teams that had him in the second and
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: third round on their draft boards. And Borgonzi, who had
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: been around Patrick Mahomes, staked his claim in him. Kevin O'Connell,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: who had just had Kirk Cousins, Sam Darnold, I guess
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: he hadn't had Sam Darnold. He drafted J.J. McCarthy the
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: year they signed Sam Darnold. But who had spent a
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: year around J.J. McCarthy, obviously got injured, but, like, had
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: just seen him play. Chose to go, like, people make mistakes.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: To me, what's going to define Mike Borgonzi, like, it
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: defines all of us. When we are wrong professionally, and
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: it is a serious professional mistake, can we admit it
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: and move on if we're allowed to? Like, if he's
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: allowed to pivot, or will he hold on? Because if
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: he holds on, at that point, he'll deserve to get fired.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: If he refuses to act like this guy can't, can, like,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: he's like, this guy can play, I'm telling you, there's
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: something there. That's where I think internally it can get
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: weird with Salah, Dayball, him. I think this thing is
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: not for long. I would say Cam Ward's not on
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: the team. And if they get the number one or
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: two pick, assuming they're awesome quarterbacks, like Trinidad Chambliss is
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: a better player than Cam Ward. Like if Cam Ward
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: was on Ole Miss' roster right now, he would not
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: be able to beat out Trinidad Chambliss. I was just
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: listening to you talk about Rayola, and it had me... Oh,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: about what Rayola may be making at Oregon. I spoke
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: with an Ole Miss beat reporter this summer and was
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: told Trinidad was getting in the neighborhood of $ 600K to
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: be their backup last season. Big-time programs view backup quarterbacks
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: as an insurance policy, so they're making a pretty penny.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: I would guess Rayola is getting $ 1 million. I saw
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: a clip of the Ferris State coach, the Division II
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: program where Trinidad played. I do think when they signed
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: Trinidad to be their backup for Austin Simmons, who's Missouri's quarterback, left-hander,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: throws this beautiful ball. There's something special about a lefty.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: It just looks pretty coming out of their hand, like
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: when Penix throws a go-route. Even Tua, when he was younger,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: it's like Griffey's baseball swing. You see a righty's baseball swing,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: it doesn't look the same. I think originally when they
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: signed Trinidad... He didn't come for free, but they gave
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: him like $ 100, 000. I would imagine that number, because that's
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: what the Ferris State coach said. They came in, they
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: offered him to be the backup, and he was coming
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: from Ferris State. I don't think there was that much
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: competition for him. I don't think they paid a ton
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: of money. Now, what I imagine happened is once it
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: started going well, that they maybe gave him way more
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: in the season to keep that relationship, knowing that potentially
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: he could come back the following year And now, you know,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: who knows? But I'm with you. I said this yesterday.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: My guess is that Dylan Rayola, as the backup, well, technically,
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, who knows? He might start several games now
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: with more out, is making more money than what the,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: is it Jay Daniels? Is that the quarterback for the
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: backup for the Bucs, the undrafted free agent for Kansas?
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: I think his minimum is like $ 825K. I bet Rayola
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: makes more at Oregon than he does for the Tampa
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers. And that goes for any undrafted free agent
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: in the NFL that made a team. Think about that.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: That is exactly why guys, if you go listen, I'm
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: not Jeremiah Smith. I'm not Colin Simmons. I'm never going
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: to be a top three round pick. But, you know,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: I could get drafted in the fifth, sixth, seventh rounder.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: I will stay in college if I'm a starter making
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: a lot of money because there's no guarantee that I'll
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: even make the team. I could be on a practice
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: squad until I'm no longer eligible in college. And some guys,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: like historically, would come out and be fourth-round picks just
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: because they didn't want to go to class. Well, now
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: no one goes to class. Who'd I hear? Oh, I
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: was listening to what Cillo had on Mestemaker. And he
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: had asked Mestemaker if after they beat Oregon, he's like,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: have you kind of gone around campus and soaked it
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: all in? And Mestemaker was like, actually, all my classes
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: are online. Like, I'm sorry. I'm... I'm not trying to
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: be old man, get off my lawn here, but I
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: lived in a world where online classes didn't even exist.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: Online classes are a joke. Like, I don't take online
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: classes seriously. Now, I don't take a lot of these guys,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: the classes they're actually going to that seriously. Like, I
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: had a lot of classes in college that were, it's like,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: I can't believe we're paying for this. But like, if
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: you're going online, like, it's all Fugazi, you know? So... Now,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: none of these guys... I remember Fresno State when guys
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: would try to transfer. This was Fresno State. This wasn't UCLA.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: This wasn't Northwestern. This wasn't Michigan. You'd have to battle
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: based on SAT scores, transferable units. The transfer portal wouldn't
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: exist if school mattered. So school no longer matters. So
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: if school doesn't matter, and I'm just getting paid to
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: play football... and hang out with college chicks in my
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: free time, then I just think these guys, no one's
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: going to leave early unless you're an elite player. Because
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: school now is irrelevant. Which I got no issue with.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, I really don't. But if you're a kid
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: that wants to make the most of school, you can.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: Like you don't have to only take online classes. Why
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: does the media always pick and choose which teams they
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: want to make excuses for? For example, the Rams lost
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: last night and everyone will say they're missing Puka and
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: Miles Garrett. But when the Packers are missing a bunch
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: of players or the Niners are missing a bunch of players,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: they don't get the same grace. If the Rams would
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: have just lost 35-14 and got their teeth kicked in,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: they would get crushed. But they were up 16-0. They
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: were up again in the fourth quarter, and they lost
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: a crazy game, which I think many of us would
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: agree that the referees heavily impacted, but they still lost
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: the game. But they look pretty capable without some high-end players.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: If the Packers had lost a barn burner to Atlanta,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: the reaction would not have been what it was Thursday
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: night when they had one of their worst home losses
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: anyone can remember. And every Packer person I know that's
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: in my life says, I can't even, it's hard to
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: put into words what we witnessed. That was, it speaks
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: for itself. I think there is something too, like when
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: you watch a team play, you're like, okay, win or lose,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: there's something there. Like clearly they're pretty good. When you
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: watch the Packers, it is not really disputable. Their O-line
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: is a joke. Because Jacobs is in trouble, their running
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: backs are not capable of gaining yards even when there
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: are yards to be gained. So I think that factors in.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: If the Packers were 1-2, like the Rams, losing to
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: the Falcons like that, they just kept calling the same
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: couple runs over and over. So your defense got absolutely
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: shredded when everyone knew it was coming, and your offense looks...
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: like it can't function after that team had just lost
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: by 30 points a week, you know, four days before.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: That's where the discussion comes from. The Packers aren't unfairly
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: getting picked on here. Okay, we'll end with this. I
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: know the Giants aren't the most exciting team to talk
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: about right now, but we haven't been 2-1 since 22.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: But Brian Burns, he just tore his ACL, and you
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: were saying you were hearing stuff over the summer about
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: him potentially not being on the team next year. Well,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily hear that. I could just do the
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: math and go, well, you have Abdul Carter, you draft
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: Arvel Reese, he's the type of guy that you could trade.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's one of their better players. Um, and
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: basically the question is, what would you do? Would you
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: trade the 28 year old pass rusher coming off 16
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: and a half sacks or keep an almost 30 year
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: old coming off an ACL tear and resign them to
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: an extension? Well, now he tears ACL. He's not tradable. No,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: no one's trading for a player that can't play. Uh,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: you know, I, I give him credit. You know, he
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: hurts his ankle two weeks ago, late in the game.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: I think some people were like, why was Brian Burns
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: in a blowout? Like, why is he in the game?
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: And I think that is a fair question. And then
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: he comes back and he plays on a banged up
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: ankle and then tears ACL. I think a lot of
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: reasonable people would be like, did he tear his ACL
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: because he's overcompensating for the fucked up ankle? And now
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: you're in a position where you're kind of stuck with,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: you know, you put him on IR, tears ACL. But
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: my guess is if he's just not on the team
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: next year, I'd have to look at his contract, but
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: you typically don't sign guys that tear their ACL who
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: are veteran players to an extension. So part of the reasoning, too,
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: to keep investing in the front was he wanted a
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: bunch of dudes. And Burns and Abdul Carter, that's some
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: pop off the edge. That's some serious speed coming off
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: the edge. That's a big blow. I'd have to really
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: bang out the tape, you know, but it's probably fair
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: to say right now, healthy, fully healthy. Brian Burns was
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: their best player on the team. Like, who's the best
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: player on the Giants? Malik Nabors is nowhere near what
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: he was pre-injuries. Darts hurt. I mean, Abdul Carter has
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: had some moments. It's probably him or Abdul Carter. Or Hammond,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: the dude that makes all the picks, or Holland, I mean,
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: from Miami, who's been awesome for them this year. But
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: it's like, you know, impact player. I mean, I think
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: Skadaboo's a pretty good player, but he's not the best
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: player on the team. You know, Arvel Reese was always
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: going to be a major project. You drafted Arvel Reese
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: for like 2028, more than like week three, 2026. But, yeah,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: it's part of the football that sucks. It's like, He
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: tears ACL. But it's also like he should have. There's
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: no load managing. Like if a guy can play, even
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: if he's 60%, he's going to try to play. And
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: that's what happens. And then worst case scenario, you're in this.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: One thing that's not debatable is the MetLife turf is
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: a problem. The amount of guys that tear their ACLs
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: on that turf is a fucking nightmare. I just don't understand.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: why the Maras and Woody Johnson can't work together and
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: spend a couple million dollars on some grass. Yes, is
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: it going to be more expensive than just having the
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: shitty turf? Of course. But if it's like, hey, John,
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: we need you to come up with $ 5 million to
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: get grass. Well, it's like, I can't be in that business.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: I don't have $ 5 million to spare. But if I
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: have a business that's making me $ 700, $ 800 million and
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: I share it with another business that's the same thing
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: We couldn't figure out a way to get a couple
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: million dollars to get some grass. When the guys were
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: paying combined, what are the Jets and the Giants paying
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: their players? $ 500, $ 550 million combined to play 16, 17
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: games on this field. I've said this forever. I understand
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: people being cheap that don't have money. But once you
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: get a lot of money and you're still cheap about
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: important things i think you're a whack job i mean
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: i really do you know i i really do and
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: this this stadium situation with this turf and guys tearing
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: their acls it's got to get exhausting the volume