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- Dre: Yo guys, what's going on? Welcome back to another episode. I feel like it's been a while since we've all been on here. I took a little bit of a week off last week, dealing with some new dad shit. You know, just got a bunch of stuff to do, you know. But how y'all living, man? Brylan: Yeah. How's it coming along, man? Rodney: Yeah, yeah. Dre: Bro, it's busy, man. I just did a five-hour parenting class on Sunday. Learning like just Rodney: Parenting class. Dre: basic stuff, how to swaddle babies, what different cries mean, just all this shit. Rodney: Was that your idea? Was that your idea? Dre: Actually it was a joint effort. I was all for it. 'Cause I'm like, I this is a bunch of stuff I don't know, man. I've never raised a baby. I don't know shit about babies. You know what I'm saying? So like Rodney: That's fair. that's fair. But but but but but but what's it your idea though? That's fair. That's fair. Dre: it was her it was her driving it, but it was I I was conscious to know to tell her like I need to yeah, I need help. I need help. I don't know. I don't know what I don't know. You know what I'm saying? I don't know. You know? I'm like, I'm automatically Rodney: You knew. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I yeah. Dre: being assigned this new responsibility that comes with a lot of obligations, right? So I'm like, I'm already in, so I'm like, I need to know. Exactly. So yeah, Rodney: Yeah. Yeah. And you'll be measured off that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Brylan: Hold on, hold on. Dre: it was a joint, it was a joint effort. But yeah, we we're making our way through it. Brylan: What did what did you walk out of that class learning that you didn't know before? Dre: Aside from the the small details. I mean and when I say small details, I mean like things like how do you swaddle a baby? I didn't know how to do that, right? Like that's a small detail. How do you, you know, what can be in a crib with a kid? I didn't know that. That's a small detail. So setting the Brylan: Interesting. Dre: small details aside, what I learned is that there's so much shit I don't there's still gonna be shit I know. So like e even in learning all of this stuff, I'm kind of like just winging it and it's okay to just wing it. Rodney: Yeah, of course. That's what everybody's doing. That's what everybody's doing. Dre: 'cause most parent most new parents are doing the same thing. Yeah. So like Brylan: Yeah. Dre: there is no idea of getting to like a completed state where I'm like, all right, I'm I'm ready now. I got my new parent certificate. I'm I'm all ready. I I'll never get to that state. You know what I'm saying? So I think the thing I learned Rodney: Mm-hmm. Dre: is like, like anything, embrace the journey. There is no end destination. I'll be a parent for the rest of my life. And so I'll be learning how to parent for the rest of my life. You know what I'm saying? So I think that's the thing I took away. Rodney: Yeah, yeah. Brylan: How has your how how how how has your marriage evolved like with this new milestone? Dre: man. Shit. It's funny because most couples always say like it's all about communication, right? Communication, communication. But you don't realize how much communication is needed when a baby is on the way. Bro, like just every little thing, bro. Every little thing. and too, also learning too, like where to just fall back. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm very opinionated in terms of certain things I want. But when you're dealing with a a woman who is carrying a baby, you know what I'm saying? Like there's certain opinions that she has that maybe I have conflicting opinions on. But it's best if I just sit back. You know what I'm saying? On some of those things versus trying to override my opinion or trying to be right or trying to prove something. You know what I'm saying? Just like, no, I just i in the early stage of this baby, I'm just gonna let her ride. I'm just here to support. And at some point in his life, I'm gonna need to take over. Brylan: Mm. Dre: You know what I'm saying? Where I'm gonna have to take it to the next but that's zero to one. I'm just here to support. I'm just here to support. You can't get in the way of a new mom. You don't even want to. You don't even want to. Rodney: Yeah, yeah, definitely. Brylan: That's fair. Rodney: Definitely, definitely. I I've heard of that before. We we have a a little bit of we have a supporting role and more of a involved role as the the the kid the the the kid matures and whatnot. You know, it was funny randomly randomly a couple of days ago I was thinking about how yeah, randomly I've just and maybe it's cause I was thinking about you, but randomly I was thinking about man, I don't know much about that. I was like, I Brylan: Mm. Rodney: was like I was like I had this feeling that women know a lot more about that, about what to do when that happens. And so I I I felt Dre: Yeah, but Rodney: like I felt I I felt the gap. Obviously for me it's different because I don't have that upcoming, so I'm it wasn't like I was like trying to do anything about it, but it's funny I had that thought a couple of days ago. Dre: Yeah, women women have at least in my experience, they not all women, but at least my woman, has that natural maternal instinct that just kicks in. Brylan: Mm. Dre: You know, even though the baby's not here yet, just I can just tell by the way my wife is moving, by how she's just doing stuff around the house. Like her her preparation for the baby is just different than mine. You know what I'm saying? Like I have to build Rodney: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Dre: that that instinct. You know, my preparation, I'm like, I'm looking at the bottom line, I'm looking at the bread, I'm looking at you know, plant life insurance. I I'm looking at more systematic shit. And she's Rodney: Yeah. They they yeah. They s yeah. Dre: looking at all the things we need in these four walls to keep this baby alive and sustain. I'm not I'm beyond Rodney: Yeah. Dre: that. I'm like, fuck, we need to make sure we got this in place, that in place. Like shit, if I die tomorrow, I need to make sure y'all good. Like it so I'm thinking more like that. So we just we're on two different planning tracks, but yet somehow it all converges into one. Rodney: That's good. That's good. It seems like these days though, like the the the the the the modern fathers, we have more responsibility. We can't just only focus about the cash no more. But based on what I see, based on what I see, they they they want us they want us to be Dre: Bem voz. Rodney: be yeah be be be more that that's what I see. I Brylan: Hold up, hold up, hold. Dre: They do. Rodney: I I don't know, but that's what I see. Dre: For sure, for sure. Rodney: yeah. Cause back in the day, it's it it Brylan: Well hold on, is there is there is there Rodney: seemed like it was way easier back in the day. It seemed like you just she's pregnant. And then you just go about you outside. You outside. You you outside. You No, no, no, Brylan: That's that's that's how we end up with single parent households. Like Dre: Yeah. Rodney: no. You no. When I said outside, I'm not saying like you you doing stuff. I'm saying you like, you know, you may not always be working, but most of the time you are outside, you're working, you're doing what you need to do. I'm not talking about like, you know being outside like with other I'm not talking about that. Although that does that that is a reality. We do have the highest rate of single moms in history right now. So we can't act like that's Dre: Sure. yeah. Rodney: not the case. That that is the case. And on this is not that type of podcast, but I will say, I will say that probably that number doesn't seem to I don't think it's gonna go down anytime soon. I think it's gonna go another way. And hopefully we come up with the right answers in the future as it all unfolds, basically. Dre: Yeah. Rodney: Yeah. Yeah. Dre: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for Brylan: So hold on, Dre: sure. But it's a beautiful Brylan: hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Dre: it's a beautiful journey, man. I I'm loving it. I'm loving it man. Brylan: D so Rodney, I'm curious. Like, yeah, wha what type of parent do you see yourself being? You wanna be involved? Rodney: I like the way that they used to do it. I Dre: Mm-hmm. Rodney: wish it was the the sixties, bro. I wish yeah, yeah. Dre: Right. He like take me back to take back to the good the the good old days. Rodney: Yeah, yeah. Like like I wish it was like the 50s or 60s or something where it's like it's it's clear. It's this is me, this is you. And that's that's what there's no debate about we all understand this. And you don't want to learn when I'm because do you want to learn how I'm making extra money? Cause you want me to learn Brylan: Hold up. Rodney: how to make like how to do all this extra stuff here. But are you trying to like take on the I we we can't Brylan: You you got a point. Rodney: really bring that piece up? Like I'm not saying we should. Dre: Yeah. Rodney: I'm just saying we can't say, well, okay, I'm getting involved on the kids stuff now, so can you, you know, a little bit just think a little bit more about the the financial results of it? Like like but Brylan: But hold up, hold up, hold up. Think think think think about this, right? Like I I had never thought of this until you literally said it. But it's like if you think about it, the sixties before that, or whatever, going back to the times you talking about, the dynamic was different where the woman was mostly in in in the house. Rodney: Yeah. Brylan: They also had like less rights at that time. Men were just the financial breadwinners. But families were larger. Them niggas was fucking. They were fucking, bro. Like Rodney: Yeah. Brylan: eight it wasn't it wasn't a you know, abnormal to see like Rodney: Right. Brylan: eight to ten kids. Like, but now think about today. It's the complete opposite. Where families have strength, Dre: Fast. Rodney: Right. And they start young too back then. Brylan: you y household responsibilities are expected to be, you know, split. Like, and women got hella right. Rodney: Split Brylan: Stay on the internet, independent. Like that that that one is strong right now. Rodney: I I push back on the split part because it just I I know that we need to do more work. I know that part. And I'm not against that. But when you say split, that that to me comes off like both people are gonna do and that's not what's going on. What I believe I what I believe women are Brylan: No what You're right, you're right. Rodney: saying is we want more help. They're not saying we also want that help and then we're also going to I mean to some extent actually because women have careers and you know they're they're they're earning more. They're earning more than ever, y you know, being the most employed and all these other things. So to a certain extent they are doing that, but not all the time, you know. and definitely the responsibility, 'cause let's be honest, we can say whatever we want on the internet. We can say whatever we want in the living room. And with our friends or whatever. But if the house goes into foreclosure, who are they looking at? Her or you? No matter what Brylan: Yes Rue. Rodney: so so so so so that's where the truth that's so that's where the truth lies. That's where the truth lies. That's the that's whoever whoever they end up looking at. 'Cause everybody it's all shared responsibility until it all goes comes falling down. And then who who who are they who are they looking at? So I that's that's that's it's no complaints. It's just that I see that it's different. That's all. You know what I'm saying? I I see that. I see that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Brylan: Let's so hold on, but bef before we get into the topics, one other question. Did y'all see what did y'all see what Drake said about tricking? Dre: No. Rodney: I did you know it's funny, man. This is interesting, man. We this this podcast will y okay, look, okay. I did. What'd you think about it? Dre: What did he say? I missed it. What did he say? Brylan: So hold on, it was on the back of I don't know if y'all been seeing just like over the last few months, you Rodney: I saw it. Brylan: know, as he led up to releasing his album, you know, he was just hosting these like mansion parties, inviting, you know, girls out, got cars, all that shit. And so Victoria Monet had came out and called him a trick. And he was like, you know, being generous isn't tricking when you aren't expecting anything back. And so he was like, There's a return on investment in your soul for doing things for people who you feel deserve it. So that's that's why he's tricking. And so Rodney: Yeah. W yeah, yeah. Brylan: so my question my question is, yeah, while we're on it, are you a trick? Like how how do you feel about tricking? Rodney: So I in in in ving in Victoria's definition, I am a trick. But I'm actually with Drake. Brylan: Yeah. Rodney: But I'm actually with Drake, right? Because just the other day, a girl who I'm not even going to, you know, go out with, and it's not because we didn't want to. W it it it to save to cut the short the story short, it there's just things in the way. But In my mind, I was like, you know what? Regardless of whether or not we go out, I wanted her to still be able to take herself out, you know, you know, grab some food at the restaurant we were gonna go to, grab, you know, a drink. You know, I put enough on the so I got a gift card that has enough for her to, you know, when she's off work, she can just go, you know, get her get a get a lunch, get a drink, you know, like. And I'm not thinking she needs to do anything. I'm not thinking anything. I I it it's just me, it it's just me looking at it from a standpoint of and I've always been that way. and I I I remember I got a flack for this years ago, but I remember I was dating this one girl, she was a very great girl from South Africa, and it's not my not my ex. My ex she got a lot of stuff, but another girl, she was and I remember I she sent me a video and it was blurry. It was like so it was super blurry. And I'm like, I'm looking at her phone, I'm like, you got an Android? Like I'm confused. I'm like, why the I was like, why Dre: It's the Rodney: the video so blurry? She's like, nah, it's just compressed, it's just compressed, it's I'm like, and I'm sitting there and I'm Brylan: Was she an engineer? Rodney: No, she was just Brylan: Was she me? Rodney: she she's on a vis she was on a visa. She was from South Africa. Excuse me. And Brylan: No, I'm just saying it's com she was saying the photo was compressed. Is too compressed? Rodney: The video was compressed because you know how how like she was just saying that. Like she doesn't know what she's talking about. Like she doesn't Dre: Okay. Rodney: know what she's talking about. I concluded that she has a bad phone. You know what I'm saying? You're from South Africa, you got this Android, don't nobody know what this is. And so I was like, you know what? Let's go to the Apple Store. And I got her a phone. I got her iPhone. Now I didn't get her the top of the line iPhone. I didn't get her no like I ain't walking and spend three thousand, two thousand, fifteen hundred dollars. You know, I spent like, you know, a thousand dollars. And this is a girl who who had always done a lot for me. She had always, you know, she Brylan: That's real. Rodney: had clean clean like she had never asked for nothing. She had always done a lot. Like, and so I was just like, Why why not? You know what I'm saying? But I wasn't doing it. Thinking like, okay, like now she owe me, like, Brylan: I'm about to get some Rodney: yeah, now she owe me. Like, like, so in Vittoria's definition, I would say that I'm a a trick from the standpoint. but I also think that Drake is kind of, I don't think, I agree with Drake, but I also think. I don't know. Cause I feel like the level at which he does it at, even though it might not be a lot to him, like like it get like when you give Brylan: Well well, hold up. Rodney: away Range Rovers and Benzes and stuff like that, like it I but at the same time, I was getting flacked for the iPhone. I got flack Brylan: I can relate. Like if I was in choose, would you not be trying to say? Rodney: for the iPhone. Brylan: Yeah, if you were in Drake's shoes, would you not be doing the same? Like that i f Actually you already got her an iPhone. That like think about it. That iPhone's just gonna become a car or a home. Rodney: I understand that. So that's so so I Dre: This is one. Rodney: understand that relativity, like I can't you d I I understand that Brylan: Yeah. Rodney: cause ca ca I got flack for that. Dre: That that that's just early that's early that's early stage turkey. That's all. Rodney: Yeah, I got I got I got flack for that. I got I got flack for that. But but but the crazy thing is, I guess the the reason why I look at it the way Drake look at look at looks at it is it's not as if like we feel the need to do it. I feel like when you trigger like you feel the need like you you feel like I gotta do this to get to get this. And then in in my situation, and and I believe in his situations, he doesn't feel like, I gotta do this to get that. He just genuinely Brylan: Yeah, yeah. Rodney: has that generous spirit. And I feel like I have a similar spirit where it's like, you know, and I've always been that way. Even with friends, I remember giving friends, you know, you know, game systems and things that I had that I wasn't using. And you know, it was it's not that I it's not that, you know, I was like, you're like, you don't have one? Like here, like I got one, like here, take it. Like if for them, it was big. Like I have a close friend of mine, we're still friends to this day. I remember giving him a PlayStation, a PlayStation 2, and I was like, I yeah, like, and he just didn't have one. And I didn't think like it's some type of return on it. Like, I I didn't think that. I was just like, like, you know, so I feel like that's more about like who who certain people are. But I do understand though that there, to me, in my opinion, I feel like I feel like a trick is. somebody who is basically paying for for it. Paying for access to a woman. Which is which is way different than you know you have that impulse to be generous. They that that's different to to me at least. And I and I think that's what he was saying. Dre: Mm. Brylan: We're so hold on, hold on. I agree with you a hundred percent. I think we have the opportunity to establish some new language for the culture. Generous men. We're we j like that's that's all we are. We're we're just generous men. Like, don't expect anything in return. If if if if it comes, we live with abundance. Rodney: definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like here's the day. If it comes, cool. Like Brylan: Yeah. Rodney: if it comes, cool. Dre: Yeah. Rodney: But I'm not like sitting back thinking like, like, I'm not be mad Brylan: Yeah. Rodney: if something like or or I'm tracking it. Like I I'm not I'm not thinking that. I feel like if you if you doing it like that, 'cause to me a trick is somebody that is yeah, I just don't see it that way. Brylan: I will say this. Rodney: You know what I'm saying? Like Brylan: I think Andre, you probably can't relate. Cause you're married. But out here in the single world, what is very interesting, actually you probably might be able to, you might observe this, but a lot of niggas are stingy. There's a lot of stingy niggas out here, bro. Rodney: They're very stingy. Dre: Mm. Rodney: They're very stingy. So so that that's actually makes it dangerous. That's what makes it dangerous Brylan: On a low level. I d on a low level. Rodney: to do what Drake does though. That's what makes it dangerous to do Dre: Sti stip stip Rodney: what we do. Dre: Sti stingy in what way though? Define stingy. Rodney: So they Dre: Cause that's like I feel like we all we all paying for it. We all paying for it. Like whether you call it a chicken or whether you call it not, like I'm married and I'm pay I'm paying for it. I'm paying for it. Brylan: Ha ha ha. Rodney: I agree with that. I agree with that. I I I agree with that. I agree with that. I agree. I agree with that. Yeah, because if you stop paying, if you stop paying, watch what happens. Yeah, we all know it's like, yeah, yeah. I agree with you. Yeah. Dre: Yeah. A hundred percent. A hundred a hundred percent. A hundred percent. Like and and and to be honest, the more you keep paying for it, the more the expectation builds. So that if you do stop Rodney: I know. Brylan: The standard is the standard. Rodney: Yes. I ain't gonna lie. Bro, Dre: The standard the standard is go. The standard is there. Rodney: please repeat that last thing. The more you it please repeat that, bro. Cause that, bro, bro, bro, so, so, Dre: No, that's facts. Yeah, the the more you do it and it stops. I'll tell you. Rodney: so, so, so I will say that even though I have done that, and even though maybe Drake has done that and we whatever, I will say wisdom has taught me. To not necessarily be stingy, but to be more measured. Because of just the just to be more measured. Brylan: Ooh great language. Great language. Rodney: Just be yeah, yeah. This thing, yeah, Dre: Yeah. Rodney: this should be more measured with it because it you Brylan: Great language. Rodney: don't want that expectation, because that cause that gonna rub you the wrong way. That that that that cause then now you don't want to do nothing. Brylan: Facts. You you you want the expectation Dre: Mm-hmm. Brylan: you can be consistent with. Like if you can find the expectation Rodney: Yes. Brylan: at which you can be consistent with, you can always, in a measured way, continue to raise it. Because at the end of the day Rodney: Yes. It yes, yes, Dre: Yeah. Rodney: yes. Brylan: And I I feel like that's where a lot of like, don't get me wrong, in our younger days we probably did this. But it was like we would come out the gate swinging, like trying to hit the home run. You hit you you might be somebody who can hit the home run every time, but you weren't the nigga Rodney: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We all know. Yeah. Brylan: who could hit the home run every single fucking game. And guess. Rodney: Yeah, yes, 'cause you're doing ca Dre: Mm. Rodney: 'cause you can't s longevity, man. Longevity. You longevity. 'Cause 'cause you don't Brylan: Exactly. Exactly. Rodney: want them expectations to spiral out of control. you don't want that. You don't want that. Brylan: You don't you don't want to be the marathon runner that comes out running a four minute pace and by mile 10, the rest of your miles are eight, ten minutes. Rodney: Exactly. Because even when you doing way more than the average, it's t because you 'cause it's not what you was doing, it's gonna feel like Brylan: You couldn't sustain it. Rodney: a it's gonna feel like a nah like so Brylan: That shit gonna suck. Rodney: I I've I've learned I've learned that, I've learned that. So no, I didn't expect I no, I didn't expect to talk about this topic, but it's a good topic nonetheless. I did see it. I I saw it, I Brylan: No, I saw that I saw that pop up and I was like Rodney: saw it, I saw it. speaking of what I saw, I saw three movies. And funny enough, These three movies, Mark Andreessen made a ex post basically saying movies are back. and the three movies are prime time. The first, so is it's just a movie about Prince Hansen. Yeah, yeah, Dre: Hmm. That's the Chris Hansen thing, right? Yeah, yeah. Rodney: yeah. And and and I love to catch the predator. I because every time he catches them, they say the same thing. I and I and I just I I just it's crazy. It it's so energy. Dre: Yeah. Rodney: It's like it it they always say I seen your show it's if you've seen the show why why why why are we here today? Why why why Dre: They they'd be apologi they they'd be apop they'd be apologizing. They'd be like, I wasn't gonna do nothing. Rodney: Right, they they all say that they never say nothing new. That's what I that's the the most interesting thing. But anyways, Primetime is about how the show got started and ultimately how it how it closed down. And then there's another one called Digger, which is a it which is based in the future, where they are reenacting a play. Of some events that happened, technological events that happened due to business interests, and without giving it up, essentially these business interests were put over maybe environmental things, so they had AI in there, they had all these different things, but it was not but it was clever because it almost seemed like the people were from like from the seventies or something. Like the like the way the everything looked. And so it it was it was interesting. And then but then when you walked when they walked out, it it's just very interesting. So and I and I think it was directly addressing the conundrum of of building new things and maybe how people feel, but then also how business people feel. And it People ha might be justified, but also people may not understand that it's not as simple as turning off something. It's not it's not as simple as turning off something. And then the third one would be the one that everybody's talking about, which is you can see everything. the Eliz Elizabeth Home movie. So yeah, I've I've been seeing a bunch of movies and that movie called into question a lot of stuff about Was Elizabeth Holmes actually lying? Did she really believe stuff? And I watched it and I got a chance to really see Elizabeth Holmes and her fiance. And she's so strange that I thought it was fake at first. I didn't even realize that that was her. I was like, this gotta be somebody that's just like playing her. Cause there's no way somebody's like this. So But that no, it's i I I looked it up to make sure. No, it it's her at the beginning. And I think that's the interesting thing about founders. there there's a there's a lot of threads there that we could talk about as far as the line between future vision and the current reality and what investors understand about where you're at. And what they believe. But one thing that was very interesting, the core tension that I can speak about without ruining it, is that is that she was of the belief that She was not lying about the technology from the standpoint of she had created a medical device in which case it could connect to the cloud and then it could take a sample of the blood and then run tests off of the tests that are pulled the the tests that are pulled from the cloud. And then give you results. And they got it working for 12 tests, but they didn't get it working for I think it may have been a lot more than that. It might have been like a hundred. But I see I can't I I I to be honest with you, that sounds really, really innovative. Because right now, lab testing, you go to a lab corp, you go to a quest, and when they test your blood, they gotta take a lot of vials. If you ever did function, you ever did immortals or blueprint biomarkers. They gotta take a lot of blood, a lot of vials. So of course everybody wants this, but also the hardware is pretty much local. And what she's suggesting is turning healthcare into this cloud level thing to where the okay, the essentially it's a platform. And the analysis I use in in in multiple messages was she Was building the Game Boy that can play any game that you can put inside of it. But you have to make the game first. So the Game Boy, yeah, the Game Boy works, but the Game Boy needs a game and you gotta put the the cartridge in there to play it. But it can play any game. The Game Boy can play any game. And so I think that that can be a little interesting. Dre: Yeah. I wanna watch it. I I think I'm gonna go see it this week. 'cause it's been all over my timeline. Everybody's been talking about it. It's been getting rave reviews from critics. Rodney: Yeah. Dre: and apparently it had a really successful opening weekend for a documentary. I think it was like the highest grossing or whatever, like fifteen, twenty million, something along the lines, Rodney: Yeah. Yeah, it it was yeah. Dre: which is pretty, pretty good. so I definitely want to go see it. I I don't know, man. I I I've always been a fan of Elizabeth Holmes. I understand the fla I always understand the flack that she gets. but Rodney: Yeah. Dre: I'm a fan. I'm a I I've always been a fan. 'cause because for one, I I I've I felt like the impact of what she was trying to do, if she were successful in that, would it be meaningful to the world? Would it make the world a better place? Would it change how we do things today? And I think the answer is c it's clearly Rodney: It would, for sure, for sure. Dre: yes. Right. And so to me, anytime you have a founder who is choosing to go after some something like that. Regardless of whether they actually hit the milestone or not, just the audacity to say, Hey, this process is broken. We need to fix it. And then go raise the capital, go build the machine, go go do all these things, I think, in my opinion, deserves praise, despite how it turned out. Now, did she necessarily handle communication right? Did she do everything right? Probably not, obviously she didn't. But just as a f Rodney: Right. She she obviously didn't get. Dre: as a founder who had a vision and was able to push towards that vision. I can interfere for that. I really do. So I want to Brylan: So hold on. Dre: go see it. Brylan: Let me let me ask this question, right? Because she started working on the company like during the era of technology that was shaped a little bit differently than it is today. And when I think about, you know, like these young companies today, a lot of them are getting their advice from like YC. And what's the number one piece of advice they always say? Do things that don't scale. And so one of the big things against her was this idea that like the product that she was putting out into the world wasn't doing what she had claimed. But it wasn't necessarily that it wasn't like completely not working. It just turned out she had scientists on the back end actually doing the test instead of how she had sold it to investors. That's doing things that don't scale. Right? It it it's it's it's in s and so Yeah, I just I just thought that was interesting because I mean that is literally preached to so many different companies and early stage founders, but Dre: Mm-hmm. I think if she I think if she had been in a different industry, other than healthcare, maybe the outcome for her would have been a little bit different. Not necessarily in the product, but just in terms of let's say she navigated everything else the same, right? Would she be in jail right now? I don't know, right? Because again, Rodney: Yeah. Dre: I know tons of founders who embellish where they at or embellish progress or embellish Rodney: Yeah. W let's be honest. Let's be honest. Yeah. L yeah. Dre: the vision embellished the technology, like th they they're all playing that same game. Now again, at at some point you do walk the fine line between fraud Rodney: Yeah. Dre: and just crazy visionary founder. Right. There is a very thin line there sometimes. And I do think some founders push up against that. Yeah, they they they do push up against that. But Rodney: I think she went slightly over. Yeah, she went slight she went slightly over. Slight like it it wasn't as egregious as the media wants you wanted you to believe. She went over, but it wasn't like people Dre: Yeah. Yeah. Rodney: I could tell I could tell the guy, I think his name is Nathan a fielder. And by the way, guys. No knock to the movie, but the first time I went to go see this movie, I it's a three-hour movie and I I fell asleep during the whole movie. Like what happened was I went there, I had a muscle relaxer, I had I I had a margarita, I had nachos and cheese, I had pretzels and cheese. I lasted for like twenty minutes and then I woke up the credits the credits the the crates was on. I was I was And then and then but I didn't think nothing of it. And then I went online and I saw everybody loved it. It almost I think it almost has a 10 out of 10 on Rotten Tomatoes. I was like, okay, I got okay, I Dre: Yeah, yeah, it does. Rodney: I said I I gotta go back. I gotta go back. But I think Nathan, I think his name is Nathan Fielder. I can tell that he's not aware of of the game, in which case, and and even there was somebody in there that Was somebody in there that was explaining that and the husband the well not the husband, the fiance cut him off before he can explain it, but I thought it was a good point. He didn't he cut him off because he didn't he didn't want to make Elizabeth look bad. But the point he was trying to make, he was a scientist, he was basically saying founders are always talking about the future vision. They're always talking about the future vision. It may not be entirely fully as as complete as you like package. The the point is that it can do. This is where this is the vision. And I think that people generally don't think that way. And so typically people think that you need to go to an investor with a completed product. That's what people typically think. But b people in Silicon Valley know that's not the truth. Dre: Mm-hmm. For sure. And you don't raise capital like she did without blurring that line a little bit between truth and dis Rodney: Yes, exactly. Nobody wants to admit that piece. Dre: distorted reality. You know what I'm saying? Like you you just is is it's almost impossible to raise capital, especially from the people she was raising the capital from without that. She just wouldn't have been she wouldn't have been able to do anything. So again, you know. I I have to watch it. Again, but to your point, there's not really much information. We kinda know the story. So did she blur the line? She did. But again, I think part of it is I think it was more of her being that ambitious young founder who was playing the game the way she was told she needed to play the game in order to be successful. Which if you look at her peers, that they all plan the game that way, right? They're selling you a vision. Rodney: Yeah. Dre: I mean, look, we just saw Elon demonstrate a fucking flying car that he says is going to sell next year. Rodney: And no, make it say making it seem it's gonna be fly. Yeah, yeah, he's always doing that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's not. Yeah. Dre: It's not. You know, like it is not. Like it so we we we see it. We we literally just see Elon tell people this is going on sale and you can go reserve it right now. No. Rodney: Yeah. Dre: You know, like is that f is that considered fraudulent? No. You know, so it's again, Rodney: Yeah. Dre: she's just playing the game the way the game is being played, right? Rodney: What she shouldn't have done, the one thing that the one thing I think she shouldn't have done was she shouldn't have done the Walgreens deal. She shouldn't have stepped on the toes of old money. Don't don't put it in Walgreens with the idea that it works with all these tests. Keep Dre: Mm-hmm. Rodney: it i it if because I I believe she could have still kept raising the money and just saying, hey, look, we aim to do, like basically stagger it. Okay, look, we built this, we built this thing, cloud innovative cloud device. It can t take a sample of blood, run any test. Tests are being developed and they're being made and verified every month. And the rate of improvement, the rate of improvement by by this amount of time, this test will be done, this test will be done, this test will be done. And I think that that that's still compelling enough given that nobody was doing that. Given nobody was doing that. I think that once you brought it to Walgreens and then you have people actually getting their blood tested and then they're thinking, like they're making health decisions off of it, I think that's where it got blurry. And that was that was the move that you know left her with people really shouldn't beat her down because he owes a hundred million. So It's no point in beating her down. Like it she owes a lot of money. She don't just need anybody else to beat her down. She has a hundred million reasons to be beaten down. She's not married because of the f like she has a fiance because she doesn't want Brylan: Mm. Rodney: to get married 'cause you see what I'm saying? Like that she doesn't want to get they don't want to get married 'cause that yeah, 'cause he come for money. But if they get married, it's like it Brylan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Rodney: it is over with. So she's an inc in yeah. Dre: Hm. Y'all think sh y'all think she'll start another company? Rodney: Yes. Yes. And and she'll get money. She'll she'll get yeah, she'll get money. She'll get money. I think so. I think so. Dre: I think she's gonna be able to raise y you think she's gonna be able to raise capital? Brylan: Why not? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Adrieson gonna back her so fast, bro. They back Adam Newman. They gonna back her so fast, bro. And then they got Dre: No, you know I, you know I and they would, they would be, they would. Brylan: the redemption media story. They got bro, they they they was spinning that Rodney: Yeah. Dre: Yeah. Yeah. Brylan: so fucking fast. They waiting on it. They got a check for her right after she come out. Dre: She should she she should. She should. There hasn't been a theranos replacement to this day. I mean, I get my blood work through function. And it's an enormous Rodney: To this day. Yes. Dre: amount of blood you gotta give to to get the function biomarkers information. So Rodney: To this day. Yeah. Tons. Dre: to this to this day, that problem is still not solved. So I'm I don't know if she will go after that problem again, but it still is an interesting problem. Rodney: She is, she is, sh sh and and and in the doc she's working on the same problem. She's not calling it Theranos, but in the dock, that that's the whole thing. Like they're still sh it comes off like she has never gotten rid of her vision. She fully believes her vision and whether or not it's Theranos, she's she's they're working on it. Like up until she even went to prison, she was working on this new this new this new thing. It's it's the same technology but just not Theranos. So yeah, I do believe that She's gonna come right out and cause also she doesn't really have another option. They gave her a hundred million dollars restitution. So what's she gonna do? Like crawl up in the ball? She has to go out and and the one thing I do think gives her a lot of credibility, she didn't sell any secondary shares. So that so so so that's the one thing that I think people will underestimate is that she never sold any shares. So that that to me, maybe Dre: That says a lot. Rodney: that to me that says a lot. Now she may have made some mistakes, but usually people who are who are doing something really they believe really, really strongly against, they're trying Dre: Mm-hmm. Rodney: to make sure, okay, I'm good. Let me let me take off. You know, exactly. Dre: Yeah. It wasn't about money for her. It don't seem like it was about money. Given how much money she raised, the access to the people she had, like Rodney: Exactly. Dre: it it doesn't seem like it was about and and again that's why Rodney: Yes. Dre: for me, I didn't know she never sold secondary shares, but to me Rodney: Yes. Dre: that just reinforces the point that again, she was a founder, Rodney: It wasn't about money. Dre: had a had a vision and she was really trying to make this shit work. Again, does she go about it the right way every time? No, but no. Rodney: So sh she defrauded investors, but not in the way that she she did it in the visionary way. Not she did, there's defrauding investors because you're simply just trying to get rich. And I've and I feel like, and I know the law would disagree, but I feel as though that there's a difference. There's a difference between Dre: Mm-hmm. Rodney: you're defrauding investors to enrich yourself. That's a big difference than just simply. overselling your technology, Yeah, but you know, w we don't gotta stay on it. But I do think, yeah, it it it does deserve honorable mention because a lot of people were talking about it. I went back and saw it. I did think it was good, I thought it was interesting. It's a long movie though, so take off it you so make sure you don't have nothing on the calendar, three hours, you know, get comfortable, get all the snacks and everything, use the bathroom before you use the bathroom before you go, whatever. It but it it's good, it's good. Brylan: No, no. Nah, one one one of the things I'm curious about is I guess to kind of pivot the conversation a little bit, is did y'all see that Claude? So Anthropic just rolled out Claude Duet, which is their version of a proactive agent, very similar to what you've seen from Instinct Music and like dot from OpenAI. And yeah, the thing I wanted to get y'all perspective on is yeah, we've seen the proactive agent category emerge and really start to define itself over kind of like the last, you know, two to three months, right? and when we think about it, you have instinct and muse on one end, which is very consumer heavy in terms of like the use cases they're going after. I know Muse is going after a lot of like IG creators and things of that nature. They've been like advertising the hell out of that. but then on the other end or in the middle you have like, you know, open AI's dot where it can do those, you know, business work tasks for you. But also, you know, if you're a consumer you can tap in it that way. And then I would say on the enterprise or just sh at least the way they're positioning it is like anthropic with Claude Duet. And then I don't know if y'all have heard of like town. They just raised like I think like a hundred million or so from Andreessen. But there are th those two are specifically just going after the enterprise. And so I guess yeah, like when y'all think about like you know, your experiences with these proactive agents, like, Dre: Yeah. Brylan: yeah, how's that how's that been going? And like how are y'all seeing this market and future kind of like evolve? Will it eventually just kind of, you know, lead to these different subcategories within that, like kind of how we see today, or are they all gonna eventually merge into handle everything for you personal and work? Rodney: Can you can you expand on the subcategories? What do you mean by the subcategory part? Brylan: Yeah, I would say the subcategory being just like your personal consumer type use cases. The the the the the other end of it is more just pure professional work task. And then I would say something in the middle is like an overlap of the two. Dre: That's that's Rodney: Yeah. Dre: kind of how I'm using them. Like right now I use instinct mostly for personal stuff. and then I use Rodney: Yeah, same. Dre: dot and codex for more work-related stuff. I do use it for personal stuff as well, but I tend to use instinct. More for like just personal stuff. I don't know why. That's just the default setup that I have. It wasn't like an intentional decision. It just kind of ended up being that way. So what that has kind of shown me at least is that the at least in my opinion, the future is this world where you will be using multiple different agents that could be across multiple different platforms for different aspects of different parts of your life. You know what I'm saying? Like and some people are you choosing to converge on one platform. So I was just having this conversation with my boy. He was like, Grokbot is amazing and it's it's incredible. So so so so he's chosen Brylan: Yeah, I've been hearing that. I've I I've been hearing that. Rodney: Yeah, I keep hearing that. I've been hearing that. I've been hearing that. I've been hearing it. Dre: to build everything on top of Grokbot. He just got multiple bots. I have chosen not to do that, right? I got instinct and I got up multiple different things. So I I don't know. I I I I I think you gonna have a combination, but I I do think we're going into this multiple platform, multiple agents to serve different use cases. Now maybe they'll converge at some point, but I don't even know if I want that. I kind of like the separation of focus and the separation of Brylan: Mm. Dre: responsibility. You know what I'm saying? Like I I like thinking about instinct as this personal, personal life. And I like thinking about dot and codex as like when I'm talking to you, I Rodney: I kinda I kinda understand what you're saying, yeah. Dre: I'm work, I'm I'm in work mode. You know what I'm saying? So that's that's how I've kind of distinguished it. Rodney: It's so funny how Customer experience is can be more important than theoretical experience. Like theoretically, this is the idea that there's gonna be one agent and one assistant that everybody uses. or maybe they they pick an a a primary agent. And maybe there will be a primary agent. I'm not saying there won't, but I do feel similar to Dre where I like the fact that there are different agents because instinct in my mind is different, even though it's not necessarily different. It is different for how I use it and how I talk to it. Also, how I interface with it affects how I think about it as well. Whereas naturally, Chat CBT and codecs and dot. I have naturally I've used Jet Chat GPT for my life, but I naturally use Codecs and stuff for my my work. I use Cursor for my work. So naturally GrockBach makes me think about work and productivity. And instinct makes me think about doctor's appointments. you know, getting my getting my car Brylan: Mm-hmm. Rodney: maintenance. I I've been able to sc schedule you know, car maintenance. I've been able to schedule doctor's appointments. It's able to log in and get my insurance and log into my HR portal and do all these different things. it's able to buy certain it it it does feel more personal. And j literally just today and I I I I was inspired by a post on X. I changed my my I did change my action button to go straight to ChatGPT voice because I do believe that they did make a big leap. I will say this is the best it's ever been. It's way better than before. To the point where the next version, I believe, will be nearly perfect. The next version will Dre: Mm-hmm. Rodney: be nearly perfect if from my standpoint. Because it can stop when you're talking. It can do work while you're talking. It can listen while it's talking. It it it has the it has this dynamic level of of nearly they're trying to make it as close as possible to talking to a person and you can feel Brylan: Mm. Rodney: that. and it can do work for you. So I've made that it's it's interesting how it's it's integrating in my life because I'll be on the go and I'll click that button. And I'll say I I need to remember this about work, et cetera, make this. And it does feel as though I have a a personal assessment. It does feel that way. It feels like I'm just dialing them and getting stuff done. Brylan: Yeah, I guess Dre: It's is I agree, is really good. Really, really, really good. Brylan: I guess, yeah, one of the other things I'm curious about for y'all because yeah, very similar to y'all, like I I think I have separations of concerns. But I had this yeah moment where I would say with like Muse, where I was like, man, okay, do I want it to help me like monitor like my finance, like automatically like move things around, Rodney: Right. Brylan: like, you know, start thinking about that. And so I was like, man, do I give it permission? And and I did, but it got me thinking about like this. Yeah, like in an agentic world, helpfulness can only go as far as you're willing to give it permission. Right? Like Rodney: Yes. Trust. Trust is required. Trust is trust is required, yes. Brylan: Yeah, so so so I mean y'all y'all are both like product thinkers. How yeah, what what how have y'all thought about or like observ like what have y'all like observed from just like using instinct in terms of it asking for permission or just kind of building trust with you over over time? Like what's what's been that product experience? Cause I don't think that's being talked about enough, and that's probably the most important product surface. for really getting these, you know, I would say like these tools into a lot more people's hands. Rodney: Trust is a core tenet of autonomy, which is Brylan: Mm. Rodney: The reason why, and I'll make this leap, but I I hope the audience understands this analogy, which is the reason why Waymo and its competitors, Tesla, Zeux, etc., spent a decade Really focusing on safety of their self-driving because autonomy in itself requires you to let go of control. That's ultimately what autonomy is heading to heading towards. And when you give it access to your cards or your bank account or your email, etc., you there's different levels of trust. And essentially But the more trust you have, the better. So for example, if you're in a Waymo, of course they disable this, but hypothetically, in a world where you're in a Waymo and it's driving and you don't trust the Waymo, what it's doing, and you you jack you like jack the steering wheel because you want to make a like no, the Waymo requires full trust for for it to work. Right? Brylan: Sorry. Rodney: And so in this world of autonomy, trust is very important. And I found that so far. the mistakes that have been made have not been costly have not been costly. That's not to say that mistakes can't be costly with AI. I try to I try to inch out trust. But one thing that was interesting, you brought up Muse I think Facebook or or Meta came out and said that nearly 30% of their users Are using Muse to shop, and the average order value is two over $200. So that does explain why instinct is trying to focus on shopping. And what's interesting is I I use my instinct to buy stuff. Like I'll Brylan: Bro. Rodney: be out, I'll I'll be like, I need this. And they'll go find it, etc. And it already has my card, they'll buy this. go go pay the IRS. it logs in, it's logging into the IRS, it's paying the IRS. I haven't given it something that it can't do yet. So I find that to be interesting. I find that to be interesting. So yeah, trust is a is a core tenant. and ironically, something that we talk about at Immortals a lot. Because our goal is autonomous health and and I think you can't do that without the trust factor. People have to trust that Brylan: Yeah. Rodney: that they can let go of control, they can let go of the managing of stuff. They don't have to manage everything. They don't have to control everything. They don't have to be on top of everything, they can let go and things will be okay. And that's a beautiful yeah. Brylan: What he just described is the flow state. That's the flow state. Like And if you hit I I so I I I genuinely feel like I experienced that today where it was like no, like Rodney: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah, me too. Brylan: like shit. I didn't have to like feel like I had to check in or the checks and balances were in place for it Rodney: You're right. Brylan: to be we just moving, we just moving, we we bro, that shit is Rodney: Yeah. Yeah. Brylan: You let Dre: Mm-hmm. Brylan: that compound Rodney: Yeah, the compounding of that. It it's Brylan: Ha. Rodney: one thing to have it one day. Like one one day of flow is cool, two days of flow is cool, but if you could have I mean ideally your whole life be flow. Ideally, ideally, but but Brylan: But this didn't Rodney: we know that I we know that that's hard. But if I could get flow for five days a week. Brylan: But hold up, you've been living you've been living in a flow state for a minute. Y like Rodney: I've been living in a focused state. Brylan: correct me if I'm wrong here, but I'm like I feel like if you live in the flow state for for for five days, then that following Monday it's gonna be even greater. Rodney: Yes. I agree. Brylan: Like, has that been your experience? Rodney: In a way, yes. And I and I think that lean for me, this is why I'm such a big fan of hyping up the proactive agents. Because I know it sounded crazy on on one of the other podcasts we were on, but I I imagine this frictionless future where people don't have to think a lot. I think a lot of what people struggle with is managing the responsibilities of adulthood. And most of the time it's just a matter of there's bills, there's things for your kids, there's things for there's things for your health, there's things there's all these different things. And I think that these assistants and these proactive agents. Will give people the ability to essentially live like they're rich. Kinda like how before Uber the idea of having a private driver was a wealthy thing. But now everybody has a private driver if they want to for a price. So I think it's a similar concept here where people get the ability to cause because Wealthy people already have assistance. Sometimes they have more than one. And so I think that this is one of those things where it will allow you to free your mind to focus on whatever you believe is important. Brylan: No, I think I think I think Dre: Thank you. Brylan: I think, you know, when when when you really think about the physical world, bro, like so much in the physical world is there to provide order. And I think when we started introducing like digital technologies, bro, and then created this digital world, so much of life became disorder orderly for the simple fact of like it just did not exist in the digital world, bro. And I think what's dope about Rodney: Yeah, I think so. I think so, I think so. Brylan: like these agents, at least for me, my experience has been Bro, them things are malleable. Like if you really you y i Rodney: Yes. Brylan: it's still to the point of you do you do gotta know what it ain't even super crazy, but it's like Like say for example, like one thing I added recently. Like my my my cheat code has been whenever they roll out one of these proactive agents, say for example Muse, what I'll do is I'll go to the blog post, read like, okay, what is the key thing that they're really calling out here? So for Muse, what they were really calling out was Sentinel, which was just it had another agent watching the agent that was doing the work. And all it was doing was like that's how they were deciding, like, okay. Should the action be to do something or should it be to get get approval? And it's like, bro, you can apply that same fucking idea to so many pieces of your work if you're looking to build reliability over time. And then say for example, like instinct, Dre: Mm-hmm. Brylan: the key, the key breakthrough with instinct was this idea of reflection. How do you get your agent to write down a specific memory so when it takes into consideration those memories in the future when it's doing the task, it knows exactly what the fuck it needs to do. Like it's all this idea like the a lot of these breakthroughs for these agents, and I think it contributes to this idea of trust, is they've they've they've done these small things to make them more reliable. And so Dre: Mm. Brylan: yeah, that's that's been something I've really been tapping into. But I I think to this point of like it's interesting because it's malleable. Like these if you set these things up in a way, bro, like These things are learning as new information is coming in, like something crazy. Dre: Mm-hmm. I'm I'm I'm still blown away at the how good these models are at computer use and browser use. Like, bro, I I don't think people understand, like, bro, I Rodney: Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. Brylan: Thanks. Dre: I've talked about this before, bro, but I go all the way back to the puppeteer days, nigga, where niggas was building scripts to automate browsers. You know what I'm saying? Trying to do stuff and you could do it. You know what I'm saying? You could stitch some stuff. You you can you can do it, right? You could set up some browser automations, you can try to change some stuff together, but it would always break. There would always be some issue. There'll always be some capture, something that you they get in the way. Bro, these models are so good at using a computer. It's almost like it's just shocking to me, honestly. But it's shocking. So it it brings Rodney: It yeah. Dre: up so many use cases. I can't think of a single thing on the internet that these things can't do. Rodney: Exactly. And it's it's really comes down to what the company that's providing the agent will allow you to do. And also what the other side, for example, because Brylan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rodney: what the other side will do, because Amazon has showed that there's a possibility that certain sites are not going to like agents. They're the first of hopefully not many, but where they're blocking agent use. Here's the thing though. They're not stopping a lot of people from Amazon because I I buy mostly from Amazon. But my agent, because it's doing the work for me, I really don't care if it comes from Amazon. I I don't care that much, to be honest. And so that's an interesting that's an interesting thing there. Dre: What Amazon, I I think what Amazon is doing is short term. Like, I honestly, I I mean maybe I'm wrong, right? I could be Rodney: Yeah, yeah. Dre: changed in my position if I can see the technical argument. But right now, I have a hard time understanding technically what would prevent in the long term Amazon from stopping any agent from browsing Amazon. I I just don't see how they will do that. I just don't. Like, yeah, like maybe they can shut down. Rodney: In the long term, yeah. Yeah. They they're spending a lot of resources trying to block it. Dre: They'll spend so much resources. Like maybe they'll shut down Instinct. Rodney: Yeah. Dre: Okay, cool. Maybe they'll shut down Muse. Okay, cool. But are they really gonna be able to shut down every agent? I don't think so. These agents are becoming so good that I think they're gonna become indistinguishable from humans. And so you damn near what make the product experience so bad on Amazon for a human that you now you start to affect the human experience, right? Just trying to stop agents. And so I I I just I don't Rodney: Yes. Yes. Dre: see it. I mean, maybe there is some technical thing that I don't know. that maybe they figured out some way, but at the rate in which these agents are involving in terms of being able to use the computer environment, I I can't see Brylan: Facts. Dre: the technical limitation that Amazon can come up with that will present that will prevent any agent from browsing Amazon. I d I just don't see it. I'm I'm just not seeing it. They'll threaten with lawsuits. Rodney: Yes. Dre: Maybe it's the lawsuits, you know, they'll use that, but I can't see the Brylan: Well well well hold up. Dre: technical limitation. Brylan: I think I think I think I think what it kinda comes down to, 'cause I've had this experience, I don't know if this has been y'all experience, is there have been actually a ton of sites recently. I think even DoorDash did did did this to me where typically what I'll do is like it'll send me my DoorDash order on a Tuesday. That way like when my company benefit hits on a Wednesday, it knows to order, you know, my groceries for the week. Right. And so this week it didn't do it. And it was because DoorDash was blocking it. But When I had it, and this was Muse. And so Muse was using its own browser. When I gave that same task Claude, it worked. Claude was using my browser. And so Dre: Mm-hmm. Brylan: the the I I don't know if it's because all these different like agents are kind of using the same kind of like, you know, virtual kind of machine or computer environment or whatever. But I do think like a lot of these, like some of these bigger companies are like start starting to pick up on that. Which makes me believe that like there has to be a world where like the proactive agent has to be tied into the operating system, bro. Like and it that way that way it can just use the your computer. They can't tell you how you you Amazon can't tell you how you use Dre: That's what I'm saying. Brylan: your computer. Dre: Yeah, bro. I'm so bullish on that. I'm so bullish on local on these local models running computer use, running your shit, your own environment. I mean again, I I see value in these cloud environments, they're really helpful, really useful. But to your point, Darling, I I I'm just struggling to see how they can stop stop it if you're running it locally. Like I it's just it they're so good. I just don't see how they do it. Again, they're they may throw some roadblocks in there in the short term, but long term. I I just don't see it working out personally. Brylan: Tracks. Rodney: I grew up we grew up on computers, we grew up on phones. I wanna see, I think all that shit is silly. We are all tapping around, we got tabs, we got we got all these different things going on on the computer. What are we doing? I wanna see a world where we're not doing all this s basically I'm now convinced all the stuff we're doing on computers is a waste of our time. And I want to see that to be, you know, for the most part, outside of the advanced stuff, I want to see that gone. And I want to see focused on experience. I want to see it in the real world. So I wanna I want storefronts and and companies that are in and malls or in shopping centers or just wherever you go. I want people to feel like I can go into the store. I I I I want a world focused on experiences. And speaking of experiences, I believe this is something that every MB is realizing right now too, with Brian Chesky. And just the Airbnb leadership essentially telling hosts, look, you can't make guests do all these random tasks and chores before they leave. It should be check in and check out. And they don't gotta think, they can just go in and it's simple. I see his vision. And because he's focusing on experience, and I believe that that's the world we want to focus on. I believe the world we want is a world where things feel more seamless all across the board, whether it's talking to the government, whether it's managing your life, whether it's going to the store or whatever you need, it's seamless. It's not something where you feel like, okay, I I gotta give up. Okay, I'll put that off. Okay, I I don't feel like doing that right now. I want a focus on experience. And I and I think AI has made me realize. That point that Brianly made is that computers they did benefit us, and the internet benefited us, and smartphones benefited us, but it created a lot of disorderly stuff. Like we tapping Dre: Mm. Rodney: on phones and stuff. Like, what are we doing, bro? Like, like, like we human beings, like we tap, but we we tapping on keyboards and moving things around on the screen. What is that? Like, what really is Dre: Yeah. Rodney: that? what is that? Dre: That's real. That's real. I I think I I recently saw, I think you'll appreciate this because you're a huge fan of the meta glasses. I think it was meta. They did an ad, beautiful ad. Where they were, I don't Rodney: yeah. Dre: know if y'all seen it, where they were they had a an actor at a tennis match. She had on the meta glasses. Everybody else around her was using their phone to record and they were going back and forth with their phone like this. She was the only one in the audience Rodney: And and she just Dre: with the glasses, and she was just chill and just asking questions, talking to the agent. It was hands-free. Rodney: Ha ha Hands free Yeah Dre: And and and the whole idea was like I think it was like being present or something like that, bro. Beautiful ad. Beautiful, beautiful ad, bro. It summed up Rodney: Yes I'm telling you keyword. Dre: the the world we're in, bro, where most people you go out to dinner, you go to a restaurant, you go into any public space. Rodney: Yes. Dre: Everybody is just on their phone. Everybody. Rodney: Key Brylan: Facts. Rodney: word, keyword present. And I've realized that the more presence that I've cultivated in my life, the better my life goes, the better people respond. Cause it's almost to the to the level of just being normally present makes people feel great just being around you. Cause they're just not around people who are present. Cause they are in their Dre: Yeah, yeah. Rodney: headphones and and listen to this, or they have all these tasks on their mind. And look, like all y'all that wanna stop the Dana Sanders and whatnot, like, y'all just want more work, man. Like, let it go. Let it go. Let your job go. Let the let let all the manual control go. Let the wheel go. Let go of the wheel. Trust the trust that this is all gonna unfold. And we're gonna be in a lot more seamless experience. That that's what I see. The future, I see the future where we're just we have so much more space, so much more mental space. And don't get me wrong, the as you get older, you have less of it because there's more in your brain, but it almost seems like we're headed that cognitive load. will be able to be reduced to a almost to a level where you feel like you're a teenager again. And, you know, it it's just it's I don't know. I that's that I think that's the promise of AI. I think they're focusing Dre: Mm-hmm. Rodney: on things that people don't really care about. I think that people care about cancer in theory, but as long as you don't got cancer or your family or your friend got cancer, it's probably not something you think too much about. But you do think about paying your taxes, you do think about your your car, you know, your car, your oil chains, you do think about your haircut, you do think about your nails, Brylan: Facts. Rodney: you do think about going to the movies, you do think about those things almost all the time. You may not think about cancer. am I gonna get cancer one day? Like, let me think about that. Like, how long how much are you gonna think about that? When's the last time y'all thought about getting cancer. It's like it it it's like they they they what they talking about it's it's it's miraculous but as far as and I think this is one of the things that that was on the on the docket was do people want AI and it's like not the way that it's currently being positioned most of the time. Most of the time. For example, we know people want AI Because when a Waymo comes to a city, everybody rises Waymo. We know people want AI in that case. we know that students want AI to to learn and to to get things done. We know people want AI in certain ways, but you there this is a w this is an interesting time when there's gonna be a lot of change and ideally you're not going to like Dre said and I haven't seen the ad, but I saw the vision of meta glasses and just the first glasses I got was the snap ones. And I felt that. I remember feeling like it's not gonna take you out of the moment to press the button on your glasses real quick quick. But if you gotta like go to your pocket and then fumble around, swipe up and then your face ID messes up 'cause you in the dark and then you gotta like tap in the passcode, then you hit like the moment gone. Dre: Mm-hmm. Rodney: And the moment the moment gone. You out of the moment at that point. Now you're not in the like you you you operating some other machinery. So there's a lot of friction in the technology that we currently have that we've accepted because we haven't known in a better way. Brylan: Mm-hmm. Dre: Yeah, that's real. That's real. The next ten years is gonna be really interesting. A a lot of the stuff we talk about is with on Rodney: Crazy. Dre: the software side. We do often talk about the robotics, but I I mean when you combine what's happening in the ecosystem in general, I mean again, Elon just demo demoed a flying car. You know what I'm saying? Like the next decade is about to be incredibly interesting from a technology standpoint. Rodney: wanna speak one I wanna speak one thing on the on on on that piece about the the robotics, especially for me the physical world. I I I wanna I w I wanna tap on that. You know, we spent the first thirty minutes talking about tricks. So so I so I just want I wanna get I want I do want to touch on this on on this thing real quick. And yeah, for whoever's listening, look, yeah you trivia right, yeah. You might get an iPhone. You might get an iPhone, you might get a a nice i the whatever the new one is. You're not getting the max. You're not getting you're not getting the max. unless you had the max. If you had the max, then I can't I can't not get you the ma I you know what I'm saying, but I'm not gonna take you from See what I'm saying? Like I I I can't do that. You know what I'm saying? But but but that com you know that's another conversation. But anyways, the physical stuff, we talk about robotics, but yeah, I do think we could talk about it a bit more. But one thing I want to bring attention to was I made a physical device in the real world with no effort. I was able to use codecs and instinct. To get a full blown Product and device, which you can think of as ring for audio, and I was able to get that done in two days, actually, less than that, because the shipping took that's that's how long the shipping took. Because they had to get the shipping. You don't need a firmware engineer, you don't need a software engineer. You don't need somebody that knows the hardware and to figure out where to what hardware to get. You don't need to know how to flash anything. It will do all that for you. So the not only are we going to see robotics, things that you know, robots doing tasks for us that we don't want to do in the real world, building houses or or or just simply cleaning up stuff in the household, or even doing street cleaning on out outside, or even garbage, doing garbage. Maybe they're doing they're doing garbage collection 24th. Who knows what what the future holds on that aspect. But The fact that I was able to build something that in the past it would have taken me months because one, either I'd have to be skilled as a firmware engineer, a hardware engineer, and a software engineer, or I would have to get Brylan: Thanks. Rodney: all those people together and then we would have to bring it together, and that would take months. And I was able to do this, build a device that does not currently exist in the form that I created it in. And in a matter of hours to be honest and I used instinct because all I had all I did was take with codex I said what what what do I what do I need and then it told me what I need I c I pasted it to instinct I said buy this I said buy this it Brylan: Ha ha ha. Dre: Right. Rodney: it buys it it shifts it to me it sh I I get it it Brylan: Yes, fire. Rodney: I yeah it tells me instin tells me it's delivered I get it I plug it into my computer I go to codex I say flash it like like Like it and then it flashes it and then it's just it's just working. It's just like wait, hold on. We can build devices, no effort? Like and I know people don't they don't realize this. They know it, but they don't really emb like they I don't think people realize it because I know I didn't like the the the the F like to the point where I'm like how many different types of devices that are possible to build just off your imagination. Brylan: Yeah. Rodney: For less than $100. Less than $100. Less than $50. Less than $50 most of the time. And then you could ask it, the design, like it if you wanted to create a full thing with the design and everything, that's just a question of the codex. That's not, that's not like some some long thing you gotta figure out and ask product Dre: Mm-hmm. Rodney: designers and it it's it's unbelievably easy. So people should expect to see an increase in internet. devices and I think it'll be really cool. I think it'll be really cool. and Dre: Are you plan are you planning to bring this to market or are you gonna just keep it at private? Rodney: Yeah, so you know, it's tricky because, you know, I gotta kinda you know, I'm you know, I it's tricky, right? So I I'm not I'm not trying to start a company, right? You know, I I I I I'll say on record on on the podcast publicly. I'm not I'm not trying to s I'm not trying to start a company, right? But like I I I will say this much, right? What I've built thus far is is I think people would love. You you know, b because b I think I I think I I'll put like this. I'm gonna share with you guys I can't I can't read anybody's conversations or anything like that, but essentially what it is is right now I have it in my room. It's a live transcription and it creates chunks literally just imagine the ring app or the Nest app before audio. That exact that exact experience, but also with the added ability, if you want to, to have AI summaries of all the conversations throughout the day, you know, things that might have been notable, all these different things. You could imagine a trillion different use cases for a device like that. Literally there's no device that exists like that. And I think the reason there's no device that exists like that is because you have Alexa and you have Google h Google Nest and people look at that like well if you have that why would you need like this thing that's just listening to you. But that's the funny part. It's actually interesting to see, for example, on on the on the app that I made, and like I said, this is in less than in less than a couple hours, you can see, I was snoring at at one a.m. I was snoring at two thirty. I was snoring it you it has the clips. It's like it's it's crazy. And then you could see conversations you had with different speakers. It it's just it's like Nobody has done that. Dre: And Rodney: Nobody has done that. I checked. And I I checked. Nobody's done that. And but you know, we also live in a time where people hate technology. They think they do. Because there's blowback with ring recently. You know, people don't like that. Ring is people like their neighbors have ring because it's it's filming their their property. people don't like meta glasses because they feel like you might be recording them. You know, you have people don't like Flock because they think they're being watched and you know, people don't like AI for these other reasons and it it's in we're in an interesting time where it's eas it's the easiest it's ever been to make technology, but I also think that We're in a time where people are very hyper-vigilant on technology too. Not to say that that should stop anybody, but I just find that interesting that some of the most exciting stuff. There are concerns with. Like obviously, there are concerns where people and and I think with something like what I'm building, and it's open source right now. I think the concern people have with that is is is they they might feel as though it's listening to conversations that they don't want to be listened to, or like this privacy concerns essentially, right? there could also be in some states you you can't record people without knowing this this all these different things or et cetera, but I think the core technology itself is very is very it is is very cool. I like it myself. I use it. I've been using it and I and I and I see all my stuff. my dog barking, you know, my door closing at midnight when I get up to use the bathroom it it tracks that. Dre: Mm-hmm. Rodney: Like like you know like the the the YouTube videos I'm playing in my room. Like that that's interesting to see at the end of the day. Even though I I didn't know I I needed that or wanted that. Right? Brylan: Mm. Rodney: You know, I didn't know I needed that or wanted that. And and I guess I say all that to say that, yeah, what I made is cool. However, new internet devices are gonna be a lot more common once it becomes clear to people that they that they can do that, they can make real devices in less than a week. And then and Dre: Mm-hmm. Rodney: then there's gonna be another thing where I think the general consumer public is going to have an interesting way of digesting all these new technologies that are inevitable. Like the like meta glass, like you can you can get on meta all day, but people are gonna have these glasses in the future. It is what it is. You can get on flock all day, but flock is not going anywhere. You can get on AI all day, it's not going anywhere. But there are concerns and I and I find that that tension interesting in the culture. Dre: Hmm. Yeah. You you got me inspired to check out some more internet devices and hardware. I remember a long time Rodney: yeah. Dre: ago, I don't remember if you remember we was living in Cali. I think we were living in a Bay Area. We were exploring a project to build a smart mirror, and we we we Rodney: Yeah. I was thinking I was thinking about that. Dre: we had to find somebody who specialized in like hardware. It was a lot, it was a lot to try Rodney: you can easily do it. Dre: to coordinate that shit. So I think back to that, that was what almost 10 years ago, over 10 years ago when we were trying to Rodney: Dre, Dre, tell me why. When I was watching the movie Digger, I'm pretty sure that they had a smart mirror. And I was literally thinking, I was, I was like, I remember Dre was gonna was gonna build this. He could build this with like no effort right now. Like this is a matter of texting, going to Codex and say, okay, what do I need? And then copy and paste. Tell instant, okay, buy all the components. Buy all the components. Dre: So we we was big we we was big on trying to build that and then it was you were really big on like environmental devices. Yeah, Rodney: I was. Censors. Censors, yeah. Dre: sensors to like tell you what the hell is going on in your environment, which I still think Rodney: Yeah. Dre: again guys, this was over ten years ago, Ronnie and I were talking about this. Rodney: It was. Dre: I I actually think now those devices are even more important. Like 'cause we have no idea what's in our environment. But you was ahead Rodney: You know what's crazy? Dre: back then, like thinking about we need to know what the hell is around us in our house, but just Rodney: You know what's crazy? Dre: in our space. Rodney: Amazon came out with a air air monitor that connects to Alexa. Isn't that crazy? It's crazy, Dre: Mm, mm. Yeah. Rodney: right? They came out with an air quality monitor that connects to Alexa. It's like, yo, but yes, we were Dre: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that thing is big. I th I think these things are even more needed now. So I mean to to your point, I'm even I'm even like down. Let me just fuck around with some of this stuff. Let me revisit some of those ideas that we was trying to do twelve years ago. Rodney: Because because we there was a time when we were limited not by the ability, and this is why I do understand what Sam is saying. He's saying that ideas are the people with great ideas are going to go crazy. Because back then we had certain ideas that we just couldn't get it the amount of money or the amount of the expertise we needed. It's just like it it was it was a a ton of time and effort and risk too Dre: Mm-hmm. Rodney: because we needed jobs and stuff like that. but now, man, nah. Everything that we wanted to make can be made bro in less than a week. Less than less less less than a week. Less than less Dre: Crazy. Rodney: than a week. Less than a week. It's crazy. Dre: What a time. What a time, man. What a time to be alive for sure. Rodney: It's crazy. So we're so this is gonna be a flood because people are going to they're gonna realize this. They're gonna realize that there's no barrier. I think you know how it is when there's been a barrier for so long? You just you just don't think about the barrier being gone. And Dre: Yeah, sure. Rodney: Like I I I wish I could show it on the pod. I'm gonna show it to the guys after the pod, but if y'all could see where the where I'm at with this device, which is literally I've only had Brylan: Yeah. Rodney: it for two days. I got it yesterday. It it it it worked immediately. It it's not like it had bugs or anything. Like like like it's not like like and any little like friction, I was able I was easy able like just fix that, fix this, you know, yeah, they change this, change that. yeah, we need this, we need that. Like I'm lazy with it. Like I'm not even I wasn't even I Brylan: Okay. Rodney: wasn't even doing no like health have heavy thought. Brylan: Hold on. When you when you have these models that are really like, you know, good, is it really being lazy? Because they're still doing like they're trained to do the maximum effort. Like, you know, solve the problem. Rodney: Well it's great delegation. It is is is what it's what the best CEOs do. They're not sitting all day thinking about how to make machine learning models. They find the the people who know how to do that shit and they tell them, hey, look, this is what we're trying to make. And that's so that's another thing. I I think people are trying to I think that we are literally in an age where being a founder and CEO or just being somebody Who's w who operates like you're a wealthy individual or a builder is like 20 times easier, and it's still not obvious to everybody to the point where I still feel as though, for example, last night I was thinking, I was like, okay, it it can chunk up the sounds, it can make the clips, it can it make, you know how you seen those ring camera clips? I got it to make the audio clips, etc. no effort. I just like just make clips like how the ring does it, but just audio transcription. No effort. It did it did it quickly. That would have took a month to do in the past. and then like I did it in in five minutes. And then I walked away from the computer. I probably went to like drink like a protein shake or something. And came back and it was done. You know what I'm saying? And then and then and then it's it it's like I remember I was thinking, I was like, man, I would like to be able to. know the different type of sounds, right? Like is it a is it or there are pets, is it a door, is it there's a snoring or is it like whatever. And Codex went and found a a a a 10-year-old data set on GitHub that had that somebody just randomly made that has all these random sounds catal cataloged. All these random random songs Dre: That's crazy. Rodney: cataloged. Right. It's like it's like It's it's crazy. It's crazy. Dre: Yeah. Yeah, no you have no the no more blockers now. The blockers are gone. Rodney: No blockers. Brylan: In fact. Rodney: No no blockers. No blockers. No blockers. The only th it honestly, like, and that's why when I see younger the younger guys building the vices, I'm happy for them. And I I I I admire their confidence. But they they they're standing on the backs of giants and they don't know it. It like they y'all y'all Brylan: Mm. Rodney: thinking y'all like I'm not trying to sh I'm not trying to shit on they parade. But I see y'all device that y'all coming out with, that y'all charging $200 for. I see that. But this let's not act like this let's let's not act like this was like required a lot. Like this didn't this didn't this this device, I I see it now. I see it now. And everybody does not see it. I'm not saying everybody that's listening needs to create a device, but I would love people to be inspired by what I'm saying. because yeah, I'm not trying to build a company. I'm really just trying to build something that's cool for myself. I I thought it'd be cool. And then you know, sometimes you have people that come to your your your that's been in your room. Maybe like for example, if I'm out if if I if I'm gone from my house, maybe people they they can see a camera. or they or or maybe I just want to know what people are talking about when I'm gone. You know, like in my house. I'm not saying like somewhere else where I'm just trying to snoop on people. I'm talking about in my house, in my hybrid space. Yeah, I wanna see yeah, Dre: Mm-hmm. Rodney: I wanna see what's going on. What what what what what's talking about? Like, did somebody open the door? Dre: Mm-hmm. Rodney: Like like why what hey, why somebody open the door? And and it but it don't gotta be like a camera though. It's just like a like a silent little device there that's like it it it know what's going on. It always Dre: Yeah. Rodney: knows what's going on. Brylan: There's been a change in the environment. Rodney: Yes, yes, yeah. yeah, it yes. It it yes. There's been a change in the environment. Yelling, screaming, Brylan: That's what it is. But v but via but via sound. Rodney: yeah, yelling, screaming, it got like I don't know why that person put out that data set, bro. I really I when I saw that I c I was like, how did it label all this stuff? Like how is it able to label the sounds? And I went to the the actual code and it's just some random guy, he made a data set, he published it like 10 years ago. For no reason. Nobody really has liked it. There's no stars on it really. I'm like, what why he do this? Brylan: Hold up. And you use that to train a model? You use that to train a model? Rodney: I didn't have to use the train the model. I don't know what it did. All I told it is that I wanna label sounds. And it went Brylan: And it worked. Rodney: and f and yes, and it worked. I didn't try I don't know what it's doing. Brylan: You know how crazy that is? That would take a lot of time. Rodney: That's what I'm saying. I don't even need to. That right. Know how long that would take. Cause you know what? Yes. Brylan: Someone someone had to listen to it and be like, this this is that sound or Rodney: So that's what I'm trying to say about idea to product or to invention, is that my normal brain would say, don't even tell Codex to do that. It'd be too much effort. I don't want it to tell me it can't get it done. I decided, let me just see. Can you like add labels to all the sounds you detect? You know, voices or you know, like snoring, whatever it is, door closing, dog. It knew my dog was barking, had a little clip of my dog barking. It's like, and when it did it, it did it in like five minutes. I'm like, like, Dre: Yeah. Rodney: but do you think I really wanna go into the code? I don't wanna look at the code. I'm done with that. I'm done. I I don't look at enough code. Dre: Yeah. Rodney: I like I I no more code. I wanna stay at the system level. System. Dre: Hmm. Man. That's what's up, bro. I'm about to start messing around with some of these these IoT devices. Gotcha. Rodney: Yeah. Smart Mirror man. The smart mirror. I ain't gonna lie. I I thought about it the other day. I literally thought about it yesterday. I thought about it literally Dre: Yeah. Rodney: yesterday. I didn't know you were gonna bring it up today. I forgot our yesterday when I was watching Digger. Dre: Yeah. That's the that's the first thing I thought about when I when you told me you were working on it. I'm like, damn, we were exploring smart mirrors, these environmental devices. I think we even bought some to like test them out 'cause we were trying to like just see what Rodney: Yes, yes, yes, yeah, yeah. Dre: see what was on the market at the time. It's it's Rodney: It's Dre: crazy. Rodney: the future is gonna be way different. It ain't gonna it's it's just gonna be it's gonna be way different. And it's and it's gonna be a flood. it's gonna it's gonna be a flood. It's gonna be a flood of devices, and people are going to they're gonna struggle a little bit with all the change, but I think they only will struggle at first. I I I think the change will only be hard at first. I don't think that they're gonna continuously struggle with the rate of change. I think it at first people are gonna be kicking and screaming and fighting and trying to stop it. And I think that the momentum, people will just move forward and they will embrace all this stuff. And I think it it it's gonna be very interesting, honestly. I really do. up but I will say though, if yeah if you know if I wasn't employed and under contract is something I would explore. It's something I would explore a little bit more. I I I I Brylan: You'd be curious. Rodney: I mean I I I think in my contract I can offer it as a product. Like I think I I think I can do that, but I can't really like, you know, I can't really be like a founder fully. You see what I'm saying? Like I I think I can make a product and sell it, but I can't There's there's there's a line where at some point they're like, What are you doing? Are you building are you are you trying to build a company? What what do you it also begs the question of I know I've said a lot, but I I'm not gonna lie, there's not there's something that came to my mind. and I know we're gonna wrap up soon, likely, but here's the thing. It made me think about how jobs that are digital are gonna think about people having multiple jobs. Because if my agent is working autonomously while I'm nine to five, am I doing anything wrong? Like if my agent is working during i it cause back in the day, if you were pushing code during your nine to five, that might be grounds to you like, you're clearly working on multiple things. But if you have a cloud agent that's doing the work nine to five, is it the same thing? Brylan: He's a bad guy. He's a bad boy. That's that's that's a Jedi. In court, you're winning that. Rodney: Is it the same thing? Is it right? 'Cause Dre: Wait so wait so c so com co company company companies are s Rodney: we don't know what Dre: companies are specifying that you can't work on other stuff doing the it Rodney: Well well not necessarily no no no but but the but companies are like I I can work on other stuff obviously like anything not not related to health stuff I can I can work on that. Cause at this point, everything health related is gonna connect to to one of my c where I'm working at right now. So I really can't do anything like that. the way the language is all set up. it they would have a good argument that I I learned something from the company, you know. But this, but but I think no, I I don't think companies are saying you can't work on anything else. But what I I guess what I in my mind, I I think to myself that if I were to put out a product and you know one of the I mean what I mean one of the questions I was asked when I first joined there was like And you know, how do you think about like working out a company after you were a founder? So I I wouldn't want to like I was directly asked that 'cause I think that they're thinking like, well, is he gonna be a founder again or should we invest in them for a long and I think that if if Brylan: Same. Rodney: I if I make a product that looks like a founder, s has a subscription, has has has all that stuff, it it it would appear like I'm building a whole nother company. Like and a and I don't believe Dre: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get that. Rodney: Yeah, I don't believe that they would I believe I I'll just say it straight up. I believe that if they felt that I was building another company. I believe I can work on a project. And I believe I can sell stuff. But I believe that if it started to appear to be a company, like like I was building a that would be an issue. Dre: Mm, mm. I see. Brylan: But I think I think I think I think I think to your point, like, bro, the way you would even go about setting up your company today versus how you did it like in the past is totally different. Like is Rodney: the window. Yeah. Yeah. Brylan: it is it a company if it's doing a few million dollars in revenue and you got agent you got agents connected to all these different tools, like managing everything and you just tap in, like, because it just pinged you through like Dre: And if it's just you Rodney: Right. Dre: if it's just you, then is that a company? I mean, I I yeah. It's just a project, right? Yeah. Rodney: It's just it's just a product. Yeah, it's just a project. Right right now it's just a project. It's just a project. It's just Brylan: Is it Rodney: a project. If people like it, you know, people like it, they log in and you know they can use it. It's just like anything else. You know, it's just like an app. You know, you can Brylan: And then they pay for it. Like Rodney: yeah, yeah, they pay for it. Yeah, I I that that's not in my contract, you know what I'm saying? But you know, yeah, that's that I think that's it and and and and it and I will say that For people who are trying to make things and they are founders and they believe that they need a lot, especially if you're building physical devices, if you believe you need a lot of money to get started, you are five years behind. You don't need a lot of money. Brylan: Facts. Rodney: I was able to do this with my laptop. I spent thirty dollars on the audio device. And I have a $20 Chat GPT plan. And that I mean, and I I like I I'm just saying it it's it's you can't really convince anybody that you need $25,000 to get started on a like you should at least be able to have a prototype. And I actually think that's good for founders. Because I think that when you have a prototype in hand, my goodness. my goodness. So I f here's what I'll say, guys. Brylan: The conversation is different. Rodney: Yeah, here's what I'll say guys. What I'm currently working on is I got I'm it's set up for one account. privacy concerns and stuff like that. Try to make it so that, like, for example, if there was more than one account. then I could, you know, I wouldn't be able to read your like everything would be encrypted, everything would be private, you know, like nobody I couldn't read your conversations or anything that's going on. What I will do in this project is I'll I I'll send y'all the prototype. I'll send y'all the prototype. I'll flash it. I'll flash a couple of prototypes. I'm gonna send it to a couple friends and whatnot. And you know, you know, and just live with it. I'm not I'm not saying I'm not saying like just just just live with it. Just live with it and just just see like what what comes up and Dre: Yeah. I'll be done. Rodney: yeah, yeah, just just see what comes up and if if if it's interesting what you see in it, because I I thought it was interesting what I seen come up. I I thought I thought like, for example, I didn't realize I still was snoring. I did not realize that. Like when I seen that, I was like, Wait, hold on, I was snoring at one a one AM, three three AM. Like like immediately, like, you know how much value that is? Like I might need to go get a sleep apnea test. That's like that's extreme value just off of thirty dollars. Like, I mean, come on now. Like they I mean you can imagine a million other things, but and yes, people will misuse it. Yes, people will plan they they they they They'll they'll misuse it as we saw with the open AI situation. You know, we saw that. we saw they the people will misuse it, but but I try to focus more on on proper use. Proper use, you know. but yeah, hopefully the audience t you know understands what I was getting at. I'm basically just saying that there's there's a new world, get ready for it, but also try to participate in it if you can. Actually, you can for $20. For $20, anybody can participate in this new future. And if you have an idea, don't assume it's hard. At least try it. and and let and let Codex say that I can't do it. Let Codec say I can't do it. That's all I'm saying. I'm saying if you okay Okay, if it's hard, think it's hard, that's fine. But just pass it off anyway and let AI tell you it's hard. Dre: Yep, I agree. Let's wrap it up there, guys. This is a goal. Rodney: Yeah, so yeah, let's do it.