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Mike Evans' New Role, Stribling's Impact, The Seahawks Challenge + Fernando Mendoza with The Athletic's TED NGUYEN · Guy Football Focus with Guy Haberman

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  [SPEAKER_00]: Hey guys, guy here.
• 0:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the show.
• 0:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: A week ago, I was in the room down at Levi's stadium when new defensive coordinator Rehe Morris and 49ers offensive coordinator Clay Kubiak talked the media and a lot of times he's press conferences especially in May.
• 0:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're like, what are we going to get out of this?
• 0:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: But they both made like quick little offhand comments because they're both asked about my heavens that made it seem like the Niners are going to try and use my
• 0:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: differently.
• 0:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, what does that mean, exactly?
• 0:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Kubex said, we're going to use them the way he's been used as whole career and hopefully get a few more things out of him along the way.
• 0:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I turned to a man who watches film with the best of them.
• 0:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: I read him you read him.
• 0:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ted win the senior writer for the athletic and FL postbreak dance on his YouTube channel.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The also does a rater pot, which we could get into on a separate YouTube channel.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The just win podcast and his part of the famed UC Davis football.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's mafia with Chris Peterson and Nick Aliode and Dan Hawkins and former 49.
• 1:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you know this one, Ted former 49ers quarterback of the 80s Mike Maroski.
• 1:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: I did not know about that one, but, you know, I'm glad that you, you grouped me in with all those guys.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Mike Evans, when you hear Kubiak and Raheem talk and make comments about what could he do differently, like, what do you think of?
• 1:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: What does that mean to you?
• 1:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: The only thing I could really think of is he's going to be using a slot a lot more than he has in the past.
• 1:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think of Larry Fitzgerald, who was mostly an outside receiver, all his career, you know, a bigger guy too that wins jump ball type of situations, probably a little bit more of a jump ball guy than Mike Evans, but he really had a resurgent end of his career
• 1:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: with Arizona.
• 1:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I could see Mike Evans doing the same sort of deal.
• 1:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think he is a much better route runner than he's giving credit for because, you know, when people look at Mike Evans, he just think he's a big guy, but what makes it really unique is his ability to really break down and cut from his side.
• 2:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think he does have some of that capability and I think
• 2:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: In this offense, he'll play in a lot more compressed formations than he has in a pass.
• 2:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he played in a lot of spread type of offense is going all the way back to college.
• 2:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the Niners, he's a lot of compressed formations.
• 2:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: So almost everybody's a slot receiver in this offense, which is why that's the type of receiver they usually look for.
• 2:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they'll build their entire recruiting court from these type of guys.
• 2:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: So.
• 2:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, when those, you're playing those compressed formations, everybody is about, you know, four to five yards from the tackle.
• 2:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's, you're not like, all the way to the sidelines.
• 2:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you have that in and out capability.
• 2:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think we'll, we'll just see Evan's in that power slot type of role a lot more.
• 2:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it'll be easier to get him the ball and it'll kind of open up to his route tree a little bit.
• 3:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he'll be asked to run after to catch a little bit more than he has in a pass.
• 3:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: So what does that mean?
• 3:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we know the Niners love to have two running backs on the field obviously with use check.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's sometimes you can be two tight ends or it can be two running backs wherever you put them.
• 3:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: But they love it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And it creates a lot of play action, which I don't think he's done a ton of.
• 3:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I guess the follow-up to what you just said, how do you think he's used the same?
• 3:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, are you saying this is the way he will be used
• 3:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because this is the way they run offense or they're going to find ways, maybe to change the way they've done things a little bit to acclimate to what he's done well in his career.
• 3:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think there will be a little bit of that too, but I think historically in this offense receivers have very specific roles, like this receiver is going to be your deep shot deep shot play action guy.
• 4:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: This guy is going to be your YAC guy, this guy is going to be your gadget guy.
• 4:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think they don't want Mike Evans just to be that sacrificial deep receiver guy where you do get those deep shots, but you know, you get them maybe one or twice a game.
• 4:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: But you don't throw them very often so they don't want him to be that guy that's just always running off the the offense and not getting used so they want a very up his role a little bit and kind of bleed those roles together a little bit to make sure that they get the most out of my heavens.
• 4:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, I guess, you know, I haven't gone back, maybe you have, or maybe you probably just know if top your head, but 2024 he had Liam Cohen.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And this is offensive coordinator.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I don't know, that Chanahand Tree S, I guess.
• 4:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Whether things he did that year that were, you think indicative of what he might do this year that maybe he didn't do the year before under Canalist or didn't do last year in Tampa's offense.
• 5:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: For sure, I think Liam Cohen does come from that Sean McVeigh tree, but his offense that he ended up running in Tampa Bay was a lot different than the Niners offense.
• 5:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're very past heavy.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of the things he did was to create mismatches in a passing game.
• 5:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was brilliant at just taking advantage of breaking these defensive coverage rules and stuff like that.
• 5:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Whereas aniner is going to be a run heavy attack, a lot more play action, a lot more press formations, like we mentioned.
• 5:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think there will be some similarities in terms of past concepts, and maybe some terminology, similarities there.
• 5:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: with that Liam Cohen bleed in, but I think just a style of offense is going to be much different from any offense that Mike Evans has played in at least in recent memory.
• 5:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is this going to be different for Kyle?
• 5:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: You think for the way he calls offense or the way they design plays this year?
• 6:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't think he's had a receiver quite as dynamic as Mike Evans since Julio Jones.
• 6:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think Brandon Iyuk at his prime was pretty good at everything as, you know, run blocking.
• 6:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: He could go D, he could create after the catch too, but he, you know, he's kind of that Z receiver whereas Mike Evans is a true X receiver that could win down field and win those jump ball type of
• 6:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: jump ball type of situations and yeah, I don't really remember a receiver quite at that level being that type of receiver that he is playing in a shanan offense in the long time.
• 6:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Has Mike Evans gone in motion in his career?
• 6:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, obviously everyone has, but like you know, if the true axe doesn't really kind of stays over by himself on the boundary and doesn't really do a lot of motion, but it sounds like
• 6:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: What you're envisioning is him, it sounds like what you're saying is he will do more acclimating to the way the Niners play than the Niners will be using him in the traditional way he's used to.
• 7:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think there is a role in the Niners offense that fits that his what he does already, but I just think that role is so It's just kind of minuscule in this type of offense, which is why I think they want him to move different positions to make sure he's just not that guy that stays static on the outside that's running deep routes and just getting, you know, maybe two or three targets again.
• 7:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I would love to see the Natters hit some deep balls over the like the Natters are always funny.
• 7:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: We've talked about this because like some of their their deep throw rates are high with like those deep crossers, but they don't really throw the the go ball ever like the true straight lying down the sideline.
• 7:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like I can think of a couple.
• 7:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think I looked
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  [SPEAKER_00]: a few months ago, I don't remember what the number was, but it was a low number.
• 7:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was like a single-digit number.
• 7:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Your Ricky Pierce, I'll have like three of them.
• 7:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Want to get Seattle, one down the right sideline against Arizona, but like it doesn't happen much.
• 8:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so when they sign my comments, I got a little excited about that.
• 8:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: But you know, the other thing that I think about with him is,
• 8:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: rock throws so many passes over the middle at kind of require size or, or, you know, the thing with IU because IU's not tall, but IU has long arms and can really jump and you lose him.
• 8:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: And Jennings caught so many balls over the middle, you know, that ball that floats over that dropping linebackers finger tip like Brock is
• 8:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: He is gutsy when he makes that throw, but you need somebody who can catch it.
• 8:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: And without heavens and without I uke and without Jennings, I don't know that they would have had somebody on the roster that can really do it.
• 8:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I agree.
• 8:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that dig route, you know, that's one of his property's favorite throws.
• 8:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's throwing that dig route and layering that ball over those linebackers.
• 8:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, you need to have a guy with some length to be able to catch those high balls and you need a guy that is fearless over the middle because it's not easy.
• 9:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know running over the middle catching a ball with some air under it uh... and i think mike evidence has proven that he can be that guy but also bigger may feel to the guy that doesn't attack the middle field tons so uh... you know that part of evidence game will get unlocked a little bit with with the niner's where he will attack the middle field uh... more than he he has with maker may feel at least
• 9:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: more play action for him.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He's been used to.
• 9:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's got to be beneficial, right?
• 9:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, easier opportunities.
• 9:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, just getting those linebackers cleared out and just opening those windows up.
• 9:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: So the receiver is not doing as much of the work.
• 9:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it'll be a welcome addition for for Evans.
• 9:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's always a disconnect between how much fans love the fade in the red zone and how much offensive coordinators love the fade.
• 9:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: No play gets hammered more when it fails in the
• 9:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: bad history with the fade ball, but you know, we're going to look up if this is working, then I just last you really improved in the red zone because McAfrey came back, you know, do you think we'll see some of that?
• 10:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, is it, do you have to throw some of those to my heavens or do you use them a different way in the red zone?
• 10:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think, you know, the Fadeball is generally just a low percentage play.
• 10:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just easy because it's very safe.
• 10:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you're probably not going to throw an interception on a Fadeball, unless it's a really ugly ball that, you know, you throw 1% or 2% of the time.
• 10:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like an easy way for you to get an opportunity in the red zone without the quarterback having to think a ton and just having a safe play.
• 10:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see some of that from Mike Evans, but I also don't think Kalshahan is a type to just go to a low percentage play because it's there, but we'll definitely see more of it than we have in the past because Mike Evans is very good at the jump ball.
• 10:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the main criticism of the signing, right, is he's aging, what is he going to be?
• 11:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's birthdays in August, till be 30, was he going to be 33, that feels young?
• 11:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, 33, 33, 33 in August.
• 11:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Availability is the main drawback.
• 11:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: If this thing's working, what is it, you know, what do you think it looks like in December statistically?
• 11:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is it, is he, can he go get
• 11:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: knock on the door, double-issue touchdowns, the shearers that tough to ask.
• 11:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think, yeah, I think high touchdown numbers would be a success, obviously.
• 11:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's never been a huge yard as you guys always been, you know, he has this thousand yard street that got broken this year because of injury, but yeah, it's not like he's ever challenged for 1,400, 1,500 yards of a ton in his career.
• 11:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: To me, he's like the Frank Gore receiver, he's just like,
• 11:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know, very good, very consistent.
• 12:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Some years you could be elite.
• 12:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't really have them in the, I don't have them in a lead tier of receivers.
• 12:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just think he's very good at that borderline of elite and just extremely consistent throughout his career.
• 12:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about the shun's, the shun, struggling.
• 12:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because you really like the pick.
• 12:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Why did you like that pick for the 49ers?
• 12:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's a guy that I watch late in the process and I just really liked his game because he was such a physical blocker.
• 12:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's not the number one thing, but you can buy that with his abilities to run after the catch, four or three speed.
• 12:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: It just fits what the nighters are doing.
• 12:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was on a broad cast with Larry Beale after the first round of the giraffe and I wrote
• 12:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: This dissonced dribbling could be a nine years reach in the second round, but we never got to it.
• 13:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you know, I would have had a all-time sound clip if we got to that question.
• 13:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it just made sense to me, like he was a guy that people were looking at in the early third round, but he just kept on rising.
• 13:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I was just like not surprised if he was going to be a second round pick.
• 13:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: And did I think he was going to be like the first pick and second round, no, but I didn't think he was that far of a reach for where I had him leading up to the draft.
• 13:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: When somebody rises after the season, the concern would be, are we getting away from the stuff that matters most, which is how you perform on the field?
• 13:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: So like what did he rise because of testing?
• 13:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Did he rise because of interviews?
• 13:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: where people, as you said, like, you got to his film in the off-season, you weren't necessarily studying on missile year, I guess.
• 13:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: But like, what, what do you attribute that to?
• 13:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: And is it a red flag?
• 13:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: When a guy starts getting momentum months after the football plans finish.
• 13:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think part of the reason was he was the Ole Miss transfer, so he transferred in, took some time to get acclimated into that offense, and then it took some time for him to build up chemistry with Trinidad Chamberlain's quarterback.
• 14:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: towards the end of the year and into the playoffs is when he was really producing and putting string together some good games.
• 14:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think, yeah, like his fourth or three, forty time at the combine definitely helped.
• 14:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when you have a receiver that big, that can run a fourth or three, that's obviously going to open it up some eyes.
• 14:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think, yeah, I mean, like, you know, you have your preseason favorites as far as, oh, you know, we think this receiver is going to do really well this year.
• 14:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to keep an eye on him.
• 14:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you have your top list of receivers and he wasn't in that list.
• 14:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, as guys started watching his film and seeing, wow, this guy has a lot of skills, different skill sets, and he's big, and he runs 4-3, then he start thinking, okay, this is a guy that could get drafted
• 15:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, I really believed he was going in the second round leading up to the drought.
• 15:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Over, you mentioned the yak over seven yards of the per catch.
• 15:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, Ricky Pierce holds been a guy with speed.
• 15:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so far, he's not translated to yak.
• 15:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Does seven yards per catch in the Ole Miss offense?
• 15:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, do you think that translates to yak in the NFL?
• 15:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think so because it a lot of his yeah come from actual routes like there weren't throwing him a ton of screen screens and just letting him run and trying to create a hack for him through scheme.
• 15:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of it was just like he catches a hitch route and he makes a guy miss and he's just hard to tackle because he's so big and fast.
• 15:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think
• 15:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: That translates at NFL where it's like a guy that you get scheme a lot of scheme WPAC might be a little tougher to see it Translate.
• 15:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just think he has a really good sense of where defenders are when he catches the ball and he does a good job of Creating after the catch on actual plays not manufactured plays
• 16:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, in an ideal scenario, and obviously the Niners have lacked ideal scenarios when it comes to play or availability lately.
• 16:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: But in an ideal scenario, how do they get healthy Mike Evans, healthy Ricky Pearsawl?
• 16:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: And again, this is very ideal, because we're also taking a rookie and putting them on the field in the John Strippling.
• 16:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's been tough for rookie receivers for Kyle Shenaan.
• 16:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, it's a multi-year deal.
• 16:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I, you had a nice rookie year by 49ers rookie receiver standards, and then, you know, things improved.
• 16:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: But, like, in an ideal scenario, although juice is healthy, McAfrey's healthy, kiddles healthy, those three receivers are good.
• 16:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: What do you do if your Kyle Shanahan, do you continue with the, you know, the way you've played football, or do you adapt to maybe from a four-night for a national standpoint?
• 17:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think if everyone is healthy, there will be definitely a very specific role for dribbling because they don't have that yeah, receiver anymore.
• 17:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: They don't have that guy that could carry out the catch physical runner.
• 17:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you mentioned George Kittle being healthy, but we don't know how healthy he's going to be and exactly when he he'll be back, I think he'll probably be back early, but
• 17:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, we don't know that for sure.
• 17:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if he's not back, like, who's going to be that guy that you throw those short passes to that can create a catch, uh, metaphysical manner, you know, Jennings was kind of that guy, Dibo was kind of that guy, um, but you don't have those guys on a roster anymore, which is why I think it was so imperative for them to draft that type of receiver and which is, you know, why they had their eye on tripling and why they targeted him.
• 17:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so
• 17:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, if Kiddles not healthy, then he'll have an obvious role where, you know, he's going to be that guy that catches those short passes on those play action plays and they'll have little arrow routes for him on play action with a run across information and catch that flat pass on those bootlegs and that sort of deal.
• 18:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: But if everyone is healthy, then, you know, I think he'll switch in and out with the pierce all.
• 18:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're probably like I've got to take Mike Evans off the field a ton.
• 18:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think it will be kind of like a hybrid thing with a him and pierce all depending on the type of defense state that they're seeing probably the, you know, judging by recent history at the last time we talk about how are they going to fit somebody on the field?
• 18:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because of the injuries they've had, the depth has has been, has been a big deal.
• 18:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: and it's a big prove it you're for Ricky.
• 18:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: A couple of things I want to ask you about one, you know, I know you've studied the Kubiak, Clint Kubiak a lot.
• 18:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Seattle's going to be on prime time, the schedule came out a ton, a big ex-factor for them is Brian Florey, who takes over
• 19:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: The tight end coach can be kind of a dead end position for coaches.
• 19:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: You don't see a lot of them turn into offensive coordinators in the same way that running the backs coach don't become OCs and offensive linemen and offensive line coaches don't become offensive coordinators.
• 19:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think even in college when you think, I mean, obviously Andy Reed is one, a former offensive lineman, but when you think about like offensive line coaches,
• 19:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't, I'm sure you could, we could name a couple, but it doesn't, Mike Tyson, right?
• 19:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Did Mike Tyson call plays?
• 19:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Mike Tyson call plays, the most recent one with the log success, success is Clay Adams, who was the Arizona Cardinals off at the line coach for, and it did a really good job there.
• 19:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then the Cowboys hired him last year and they took off on offense.
• 19:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of it was because they had a really creative run game.
• 19:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I could see that being more of a pipeline
• 19:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: But as far as Titan's coach, I feel like thinking about some recent examples, I mean, obviously the number one pipeline for offensive coordinator is going to be quarterbacks coach and it's always going to be that way.
• 20:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I kind of feel like Titan's might be the second when it comes to relit ranking because these are guys that have experienced in the run game, but they also have to know the passing game as well.
• 20:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, some damn Campbell is a titan.
• 20:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Made himself an OC does that count?
• 20:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, he call plays.
• 20:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I mean, he made himself the play.
• 20:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 20:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 20:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
• 20:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 20:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: No one hired him as a play call.
• 20:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think it was taught downing a titan's coach.
• 20:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 20:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 20:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Downing was a titan coach.
• 20:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I feel like there's a couple more that I'm just forgetting.
• 20:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um,
• 20:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, I feel like, you know, these are guys that get training in the run game and the passing game.
• 20:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like they have a better feel for the overall offense than most position coaches.
• 21:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Brian, I've never quite nailed his last name.
• 21:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Angelicio, the Steelers, Tyden's coach, Pascal M. Coordinator for the Vikings.
• 21:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Greatest mid.
• 21:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Frank Smith.
• 21:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: I also think it's like Stephansky was once a tie-dance coach.
• 21:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's, you know, Flurry was a tie-dance coach for like eight years or whatever.
• 21:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just, but anyway, that aside, and maybe I'm thinking of it more in like the college standpoint where you really tie-dance coaches seem to get, like that's sometimes the last spot.
• 21:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: You just, you need a spot for somebody you make in the tie-dance coach.
• 21:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's different in the NFL.
• 21:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's better tie-dance.
• 21:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: But do you have any way to try and
• 21:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: like predict what Brian Flurry is an offensive coordinator is and what the impact for the defending champs is in losing clant and going to an unproven OC.
• 21:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I think he must have blew them away in the interview process.
• 21:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think, you know, they wanted to talk to them and I feel like their plan A was to promote from within.
• 22:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure that they had a sense that Clinton was going to leave even though they tried to get
• 22:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I think they did look outside the box with Brian Flurry and I think, you know, he either, he just blew him away or he kind of, they just did a confirmation bias type of thing and ended up, you know, wanting to like him a lot.
• 22:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: But, I mean, I talked to Brian Flurry once and, you know, talked to some exos and I thought he was a really smart coach.
• 22:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, again, I think it's just a guy that
• 22:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: knows the blocking.
• 22:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: He knows the run game.
• 22:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: He knows all adjustments in a run game.
• 22:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: He knows the passing game.
• 22:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of a natural progression too often to coordinate or and it's just some new blood that knows the current system they're in.
• 22:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And what they were talking about a lot was that they wanted him, your clip was running a lot of the old
• 23:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: But Brian Flurry, new nose, all of the adjustments and the new version of Kyle Shannon is offense and all the new things he's added.
• 23:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think they wanted that updated version of the Shannon hand offense, which is why they brought in Flurry.
• 23:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting because it feels like they haven't figured out.
• 23:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: It feels like Seattle knows every tell, every motion, like nothing fooled them.
• 23:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, well, one interesting thing is when I was in that Seattle locker room after they beat the Niners and what some of the things that the players were saying was like, the week Bill African built to beat the Niners.
• 23:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: In that last week, 17 game, the sentiment was like, we're built to beat the Niners.
• 23:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it was like, you know, the players that they have, getting Nick Emen worry is kind of like their version of Kyle use check where they can stay in that nickel and dime and defend the run.
• 24:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: And when, you know, your nickel dime is hard to create those explosive passes against that type of defense.
• 24:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, um,
• 24:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: they don't, the Niners don't get the personnel advantages that they usually get against defenses against that style of Seattle defense.
• 24:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do think I was thinking about like, you know, who the contenders.
• 24:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: And like I always think
• 24:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: when you think is a team of contenders, you just have to think about the league as opposed to, it's so easy to look at a team and say, they don't do this, they don't do that.
• 24:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: How could they win a Super Bowl, they can't do.
• 24:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: But just to look at the, and to me the bigger question for the Niners is not like who are the other contenders they have to beat?
• 24:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think the question is, like, is Seattle about to run the league?
• 24:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's specifically, like, can you beat Seattle, the Seattle, even if you don't win the Super Bowl and they don't win the Super Bowl, it feels like right now, there's no worse path.
• 24:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: then whatever they do on defense against the 49ers offense.
• 25:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and maybe it's a recent advice because we saw it happen twice in the last, you know, in like a four week span.
• 25:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know, man, like it feels like the night, it's on the night as to respond this year to whatever Seattle figured out about them.
• 25:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, that's kind of the, you know, Evan Flow, the league is just responding.
• 25:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Seattle has the best answer against a nine there's offense right now.
• 25:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's up to Kyle Chan and he had to figure that out.
• 25:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, Kyle kind of joked about it when he was doing that, his Super Bowl media run, where people were asking like, how do you beat the Seattle off defense?
• 25:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he was like, I don't know, I haven't been able to do it.
• 25:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he says something along this line.
• 25:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it'll be interesting to see what the solutions are
• 25:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: You just can't run it back and just try to beat this reality fence with the things that you're doing in a path because they obviously have a very effective answer against it right now.
• 25:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, last one for you.
• 26:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's possible, but I also really believe Clint Kubiak and John Spitak and Tom Brady in that they really don't want Mendoza playing early.
• 26:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think if he plays this year, I think it'll be more kind of like that Michael Penex situation where he ended up starting the last three games of the season.
• 26:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think, you know,
• 26:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Unless Perk gets injured or it's Kirk has such a disastrous start to the season where he's unplayable.
• 26:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he'll probably be to start in a week nine.
• 26:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: They play after they have a week 13 by and then they play three straight home games.
• 26:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: George, and you see that by week is that is the time where you want to on board a rookie quarterback to start to.
• 27:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, just kind of imagine him being a Kirk losing his job before week 13.
• 27:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe they're good, maybe they win some games.
• 27:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, could they start two and one, Charger Saints Dolphins?
• 27:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, could they, you know, you lose the chiefs, you're two and two, then you get the Patriots, the Bills, the Rams, the Jets.
• 27:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Could you go two and two in that stretch?
• 27:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: That'd be tougher.
• 27:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: New England game on the road.
• 27:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: It would probably be a swing game there.
• 27:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Then the Niners, the C-Ox, the Broncos, the Browns, and the Browns game on the road in late November.
• 27:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that's a really tough stretch.
• 27:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: So you're kind of feeds right into the by-week and maybe that's where you see Fernando.
• 27:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: But...
• 27:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 27:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, I think the Raiders are pretty realistic with where they are at the franchise and I think for the first time a long time they're sticking to build a true rebuild instead of just trying to bandate over everything.
• 27:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think they're pretty realistic knowing that, you know, just.
• 27:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: obviously you're not going to say it, but I think they know like this is a year where we're trying to be competitive, we're trying to see some progress from our young players, but trying to win 10, 13 games is that realistic and we're just building towards the future and trying to set this foundation up for Fernando Mendoza.
• 28:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited to see it.
• 28:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Fantastic to see him.
• 28:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for making time, Jetlag, back from Japan.
• 28:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Trump, thanks for having me on, and yeah, I mean, it's been a few days, but, you know, jet lag takes a while to come off, but it's like, first of all, problems.
• 28:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I had an awesome time in Japan.
• 28:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can go talk to the Niners about jet lag, there.
• 28:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Although, you know, but there's plenty of trips that are longer than Mexico City in the league, that the elevation is probably more of a factor there than the actual.
• 28:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's international because you
• 28:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: you cross the border, but like, you know, Atlanta is far, Atlanta's further.
• 28:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I'll drill you though.
• 28:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'll drill you.
• 28:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'll drill you.
• 28:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see, I have my friend, Aerof, put together.
• 29:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like they'll calculate rest differences based on the schedule.
• 29:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: You see with the, the, the, the nine or the rank of this.
• 29:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I had the nine or the even.
• 29:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, it's perfectly even.
• 29:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're right in the middle at zero.
• 29:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that it's not, they're, they're, their schedule as far as rest is not bad or good.
• 29:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: To me, once you get past the Australia thing, not all days are creative equal when you've come in and back from a trip that long, but after that, if you can get through that, there's schedules.
• 29:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, really, get off the hot start.
• 29:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: But, all right Ted, great to see you, man.
• 29:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for making time.
• 29:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, thanks for having me on.
• 29:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Cool, dude, thank you.