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TheDocNCarolynPodcast.com Episode 151 Israel, Gaza, The Rise of Socialism · TheDocNCarolynPodcast

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  SPEAKER_03: Well lucky here.
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  SPEAKER_03: We're back again.
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  SPEAKER_08: Hello, I'm always happy to be here.
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  SPEAKER_03: We are so happy to have Juliet uh the house of Juliet on the show.
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  SPEAKER_03: We can actually walk in the footsteps of someone that grew up in the middle of the madness of the Middle East.
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  SPEAKER_08: I can't imagine living over there.
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  SPEAKER_08: I mean, I d I don't know a ton about it, so I'm not gonna make any judgments or assumptions, but uh I do know that there's a war, and uh that would be scary to live there with your child.
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  SPEAKER_03: You'll get to hear that just a bit.
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  SPEAKER_03: On the NP's end, what in the world are we talking about measles again for?
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, that's something from I thought that was pretty much eradicated.
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  SPEAKER_03: Has it been gone all this time and now it's re-emerged?
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  SPEAKER_08: Oh, the past few years we've had some outbreaks.
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  SPEAKER_08: Um for some reason it wasn't as publicized.
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  SPEAKER_08: For whatever reason.
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  SPEAKER_03: So there have been previous outbreaks.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_08: This one may be a little bigger.
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  SPEAKER_08: I think we're over a hundred people now.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_08: I like 125 last time attacked.
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  SPEAKER_08: We've had one death, which is always a tragedy for a child.
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  SPEAKER_08: I don't know anything about the child, like if they have pre-existing conditions.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_08: I don't know any of that.
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  SPEAKER_03: So what do we do?
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  SPEAKER_08: So is that something you can avoid somehow, or what what how do you prepare or so there are vaccines, and if you don't know by now, I am not a I don't care if you get a vaccine or not.
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  SPEAKER_08: That's your decision, and that is not my decision.
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  SPEAKER_08: So um there will be no preaching about that there.
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  SPEAKER_03: If you've been vaccinated as a child, is that good enough now?
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  SPEAKER_03: Is it does that still last?
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  SPEAKER_08: You can have a tiger to see if you which is just a blood draw to find out if you're you still have immunity to it.
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  SPEAKER_03: So if you're concerned about it, go ahead and check your you can check your status immunity-wise, right?
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_03: Correct.
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  SPEAKER_08: But more important than a vaccine to me is making sure you have a healthy immune system.
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  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_08: Because then whether you're vaccinated or not, your body's gonna do it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Copy that.
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  SPEAKER_08: I'm Carolyn Kilgore, founder and provider at TrueHealing Healthcare.net.
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  SPEAKER_03: Why functional medicine?
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  SPEAKER_08: Because you're more than just a list of symptoms.
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  SPEAKER_08: Traditional care often masks the problem, but functional medicine digs deeper to find the root cause.
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  SPEAKER_03: What makes true healing health care different?
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  SPEAKER_08: We move away from the one-size-fits-all approach.
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  SPEAKER_08: We look at your environment and your lifestyle to create a roadmap tailored specifically for you.
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  SPEAKER_03: What if someone really wants to make a change?
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  SPEAKER_08: If you're tired of feeling fine and want to start feeling great, it's about proactive wellness, not just reactive treatment.
• 2:27
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• 2:45
  SPEAKER_03: And uh, I got an interesting letter about uh but it says, uh, when you get your feedback phone, can we call in drunk?
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  SPEAKER_03: Can we call in when we're drinking?
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_03: And I I said yes.
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  SPEAKER_08: No, uh, I don't want a bunch of drunks calling in.
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  SPEAKER_08: Drunk people are funny.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_08: No, they're not.
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  SPEAKER_08: They're annoying.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh Knock and Caroline Podcast, hello.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh hello.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh my.
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  SPEAKER_03: Hello, sir.
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  SPEAKER_06: You doing okay?
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_06: Uh I'm doing uh okay.
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  SPEAKER_06: Uh now, look.
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  SPEAKER_06: Uh oh boy.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_06: I'll tell you.
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  SPEAKER_06: I'll uh vote with drunk people.
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  SPEAKER_03: You vote with the drunk people.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_08: Then it's that now he doesn't get a vote.
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  SPEAKER_03: So sir, what are you doing over there?
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  SPEAKER_06: Stan, what what is you maybe uh natural What are you what is what are you drinking?
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_06: Uh pardon me.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_06: Uh karaoke.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay, what time out sir?
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh why are you singing natural woman?
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_03: While you're doing your karaoke, that's a little bit odd.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's strange.
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  SPEAKER_03: A little bit.
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  SPEAKER_06: Uh the song uh always reminds me of the dance uh little melody.
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  SPEAKER_06: Okay, but okay, okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: What who who exactly are you talking about?
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• 4:23
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• 4:46
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to this Kingdom Minute with your host, Kimberly Blakes on the Doc and Carolyn Podcast.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_01: When you elect people that hate the country that they live in, that is the problem.
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  SPEAKER_01: We were not destroyed from the outside.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was from the inside.
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  SPEAKER_01: So God had to raise up a David on the inside that loved this country and loved righteousness and that would stand up for the working class man.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's what he did in Donald Trump.
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  SPEAKER_01: But people are mad at him because of the carefully prepared man campaign that they began in 2015 against this man.
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  SPEAKER_01: But nobody is questioning why Barack Obama weakened our military group, why he was funding missions and things for those people over there that hate us, why he was allowing this problem to happen.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_01: You will not convince me that that$16 billion just all of a sudden went out and left, and nobody in the government knew anything about it.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_01: These people carried that money out in suitcases and carried through our TSA out of Minnesota, straight over there, and funneled right out from the taxpayers' dollars.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_01: But these are people that folks will vote into office and love and defend, and they're trying to rip you off.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for tuning in to this Kingdom Minute with your host, Kimberly Blakes on the Doc and Carolyn podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can find me on Facebook at Kimberly Blakes, and I also have a podcast called The Faith Frame Perspective.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'll see you guys there.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay, Julius, take us on an adventure.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_03: Accent and all.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_03: My wife likes my accent.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_03: I've been here for 20 years.
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  SPEAKER_05: My wife likes my accent, so I don't lose it.
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  SPEAKER_03: So you have this Romanian Hebrew accent.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_03: What do you tell people when they ask you where you're from?
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I always feel like East.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_05: Like, oh, New York?
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  SPEAKER_05: Keep going.
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  SPEAKER_05: Like past the motions, past like, you know, just keep going a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_05: But uh I was actually born in Romania when I was around five years old.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_05: My parents, my parents immigrated to Israel because we were Jewish back in Romania, back in the 80s, it was communism.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_05: I always say real communism kind of thing.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_05: So we moved to Israel.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_05: So my accent is really from Israel because I I grew up first grade, second grade.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_05: I finished my military, and after my military service, I kind of came here.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_05: So um military is mandatory there, correct?
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, uh men do uh three years and women do two years.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_05: There's some exceptions, but uh yeah, if you don't serve, then like why why you can't do it?
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  SPEAKER_05: So I was about to ask, is that something you look forward to?
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  SPEAKER_03: When are you told that you're hey, hey kid, you go into the army?
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_05: You're uh you're six years old, first grade, you know you're going to the military.
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  SPEAKER_05: So it's part of life, right?
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  SPEAKER_05: So you so you see soldiers every day.
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  SPEAKER_05: Uh you don't go fight anywhere.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_05: You know, I say here we go somewhere in a different country, we're trying to fight the war.
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  SPEAKER_05: Um in Israel, this is where you fight.
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  SPEAKER_05: You protect the borders, you you see soldiers every day.
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  SPEAKER_05: Um it's some some is just such a job.
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  SPEAKER_05: Uh so you always know, you're always ready to go and um and serve.
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  SPEAKER_03: So if we look at the nightly news, obviously Israel is right in the center of geopolitics all the time.
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  SPEAKER_03: And as a believer, I get Israel's place in world and really human history.
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  SPEAKER_03: When do you get a sense of that growing up there?
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  SPEAKER_05: So I think from an early age, right?
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  SPEAKER_05: Because we we moved uh to Israel because we're Jewish, right?
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_05: Because of the prosecution, because of Cheroshetskou.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_05: Um so there was always something um but against Jewish people, and we we noticed that when I was even three or four years old.
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  SPEAKER_05: Um and there's there's there's a couple kind of stories, but one is my parents.
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  SPEAKER_05: You know, they used to come to my dad, so my dad is is is a doctor, but they used to tell me like, hey, we want to talk to you.
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  SPEAKER_05: And why?
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  SPEAKER_05: Because somebody says some complain and you're gonna come talk to us right now.
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  SPEAKER_05: And they just take him from the home and bring him back the next day.
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  SPEAKER_05: What?
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_05: Uh yeah.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_05: No, let's let's go over that again.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_05: Tell me that again.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_05: So if if you get a complaint or your or your neighbor complains on you, um, they come the Secret Service of Romania back in the day of Charles Heschool, and they just take you.
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  SPEAKER_05: We want to go talk to you right now.
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  SPEAKER_05: There's no right.
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  SPEAKER_05: There's no the government controls the light, the government controls the water.
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  SPEAKER_05: Um I tell people like we live in an apartment, we had a tractor battery, like a battery retractor in our apartment.
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  SPEAKER_05: With a little light that now I know they call Christmas lights all around the apartment.
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  SPEAKER_05: And when the government was checked the light because they control the light, my daddy can connect with life, and we have life in the apartment.
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  SPEAKER_05: And this is in the 80s, 85, 86.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_05: Uh water, our tub was always full of water because they just trick the water whenever they need to sweep the water.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_05: Really?
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, this is this is life from Romania in the 80s.
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  SPEAKER_05: If I was if you watched uh video if you have a video and it's not approved by the government, neighbors, and there's movies on this.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_05: Um, I can I can try to find your link, but neighbors will snitch on you to the state police.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_05: I want to say, and say, hey, they're watching a movie, they have a movie party, uh, and they'll just come and investigate you.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_05: Uh that was in the 80s.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_05: This is I tell people like really commenting what it is, and it's mind-blowing that they just don't realize um, you know.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_03: I can't even imagine.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, the closest we came is during the pandemic and the overstep, I'm in my opinion, the overstep of the government then, but you lived through that as a as policy.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that's kind of from a young age, right?
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_05: That's what it was.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_05: From a young age.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_05: So I was always kind of understanding it.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_05: So when we moved to Israel, right, it was like a big, big change.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_05: Just just growing up in school.
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  SPEAKER_05: And again, we came, you know, I was almost six years old, no Hebrew, no language.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_05: Um, you know, we didn't know Hebrew.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_05: My parents, my dad was twenty seven, I think, twenty-eight.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_05: Your grandparents?
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_05: So my grandparents stayed behind.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_05: That's another story.
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  SPEAKER_05: Uh we can probably run another hour in that one.
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  SPEAKER_05: But my grandparents, uh, they passed uh some years back in Romania.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_03: I think I'm I'm thinking about your grandparents that maybe you learned Hebrew from them, because in my mind, every Jewish person speaks Hebrew, and obviously that isn't true.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that is not true.
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  SPEAKER_05: Uh so when when back in the 80s, uh when when we came, there's like it's called Ulban.
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  SPEAKER_05: So it's like a place you go, uh usually uh back then at least it was like in uh Jerusalem area, and for six months you live there, you learn Hebrew, you know, it gets you to classes, my parents took classes, uh, you learn Hebrew and you kind of get into the system, and then you say, Okay, hey, where do you want to go?
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_05: Which city do you want to go?
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_05: Where do you want to live?
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_05: And it's yeah, so there's like cities like, you know, hey, more preferred, and they give you some help with buying like an apartment a little bit, and buying like new washer and dry.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_05: At least that was back in the 80s.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_05: I'm I'm pretty sure it's changed a little bit now.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so you leave Romania, you enter a repatriation center.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so there's like apartments and just classes, and I go into pretty much first grade.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_03: For those of us that haven't traveled there, can you describe, like in a broad sense, Israel force?
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_05: So the country is built, so it's it's a Jewish country for the Jewish people, but there's two million Muslims, are Muslims that live in Israel.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_05: They have the same rights, they are in the government, they're in the uh are they're judges, supreme court judges, there's Christians.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_05: There's pretty much everything that you can think of in Israel.
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  SPEAKER_05: It's the most diverse country, not just in the Middle East, but in the world.
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  SPEAKER_05: Okay, let's pick it up.
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  SPEAKER_03: You're in the middle of the repatriation process, and you guys pack up at some point and leave Jerusalem and head where.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_05: I don't remember much from that, you know, time in a way.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_05: I remember that we did six months there and then we moved to a city called Petahtigva.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_05: Uh Petahtigva is a city.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_05: Uh see how my accent comes out a little bit more?
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_05: Petahtigva is a city uh in the central, not far from Tel Aviv, you know, 20, 25 minutes from the uh ocean, from the water, uh the Mediterranean Sea.
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  SPEAKER_05: Uh it's not too crazy city, like in Israel, there's a joke.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_05: It's it's the it's a boring city.
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  SPEAKER_05: Oh, you're in Petahtigva?
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, okay.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_05: Like there's not much happening.
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  SPEAKER_05: There's not nightlife, I want to say.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_03: So is it a small town?
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_05: Uh it's it's not a small town, it's pretty big for Israel, uh, right?
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_05: So we're talking about Israel, it's smaller than uh, you know, Indiana size, right?
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_05: Like seven hours, top to button, like driving, right, and then four hours uh west to east kind of thing, not even.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
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  SPEAKER_05: That's with lights and any, you know, any way to the red light.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_05: So it's pretty small.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_05: So when you say it's a big city, it's like a hundred and I think eighty thousand more or less population.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_05: 180,000.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_05: So that's pretty big for for I want to say Israel, I guess.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_03: Why why did dad choose that spot?
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_03: Why did mom and dad choose to go there?
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_05: So from what I know, um, we had some distant family there.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_05: So I think that's what they choose.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_05: They were not far from there where we used to live.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_05: So I think that was the reason to choose Bentartiva.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, and I think they were trying to populate those cities, like, you know, with with new people.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_05: Because there were some waves.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_05: Like right now, there's less wave of immigration to Israel.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_05: Uh back in the 17 and 80s and 90s and 2000s, so like it was right from like Eastern Europe, and then it was from Russia, and then from Ethiopia.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_05: So every kind of decade there was a big wave from somewhere coming.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, gotcha.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_05: So I think there was like so there's like a lot of people from Romania and Petartiba.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_03: What is that near?
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_03: Is that is that near any other big city?
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_03: Near Tel Aviv, okay.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_03: And Tel Aviv is in Tel Aviv is like what what could I compare it to?
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_03: New York, maybe Chicago in the state?
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_05: New York, um, LA.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_05: If you live in Tel Aviv, it's quick, it's like New York Phil, it's it's LA style.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_05: It's small, yeah.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_05: But but you know, I said, but but yeah, that's that's if you want nightlife, if you're a young person, if you this open 24-7, always something to do, it's Tel Aviv.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_03: And the other town that I I won't even try to pronounce, brother.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_03: Petak.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_03: Say it again.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_03: Petach.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_03: Are you pronoun is the first letter B?
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, P.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_03: Petach.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_03: Petach.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_03: Petach.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_03: Pikova.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_03: Peteh.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_03: Pikava.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_05: Pik Pikava, yeah.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_05: It's so if it's rough translation, it's uh it's open hope.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_05: Pikva, it's hope.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_05: It's like opening, so I guess uh open hope, I guess.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_03: Uh how hard is Hebrew compared to English?
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_03: Is it a hard language to learn?
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_05: So I I spoke Romanian, right?
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_05: So I know Romanian as well.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_05: So growing up, or I I still speak Romanian.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_05: My parents speak Romanian.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_05: Uh so I I came with no English, right?
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_05: Like there's no English there.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_05: So Romanian, Hebrew, Hebrew, it's right from left, different, it's you know, just like in the Bible.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_05: So it's totally different.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_05: There's like um like big house, house big.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_05: Like, you know, like we live product.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_05: So sometimes I'll say, like, hey, this is uh uh house big, and like, oh, it's a big house.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_05: Because in Hebrew and who knows me, you know, like Lei or even my wife, like people that know me, you know, friends, they're like, they know what I what I want to say.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_05: They understand me.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_05: In the beginning, it was kind of funny, and even now when I talk to people, and you know, as law enforcement, and we we really good at reading people, I can see face to face when I talk to people if they understood what I said or not.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, sure.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_05: And I don't get offended.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_05: I'm like, hey, you I you can get what I'm saying, right?
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_05: Let me say it again.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_05: So your English came, I think, like fourth grade, fourth grade, fifth grade.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_05: I think you start learning English.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_05: It's a mandatory language, it's a mandatory language in school.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_05: So it's mandatory to learn English.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_05: If you know it or not, that's a different story.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_05: But we learn it.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_03: Of the three, which is tougher, Romanian, Hebrew, or English?
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, Hebrew, yeah, no doubt.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_05: Romanian is a Latin more, so like you know, close to Spanish, close to like Italian, so there's like words similar, but yeah, Hebrew is it's totally different, like from dialogue to writing, because we begin right to left, uh, letters, there's no con there's no similarity.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_05: So we moved to Pitachtigva with first grade, second grade.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_05: I remember my dad, so my dad uh worked a lot, so he was a doctor in Romania, and you know, he he studies back in the you know the 50s, 60s kind of he's he studied 70s, I want to say medicine.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_05: And the story that I remember as a kid used to say uh he used to study with a candle because there's no electricity.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_05: And and once once the candle And no, this is true because they shut the electricity.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_05: I'm laughing, and this is the true story.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, no, this is yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_05: So I go like, no, no, no, that's not 1920s.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_05: Wow.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_05: Um once the candle goes down and done, this is it, because you don't study more, right?
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_05: So we always kind of always appreciate what we have, you know.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_05: And I always look here to my kids now, and but but I we appreciate what we have in in Israel, even with all the hardness, um, we appreciate that.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_05: So I remember him when he started working, it took me it took him years to get his uh diploma, right?
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_05: Because he studied Romanian, passed on Romanian, but now you're in Israel, you need to learn to be a doctor in Hebrew.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_05: Wow.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_05: So it took him years to pass the the bo the board, you know, the test, sure, uh, and finally be a doctor.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but as a kid, you know, again, we look back and and we appreciate, you know, what the parents do for us, but how hard he worked for.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_05: So I think we're like 10 years in or 11 years in, and I was I was an older now kid and or or teenagers, I guess, but he pulled a report of all 24-hour shifts.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_05: So, you know, when you're in the hospital, you do like a 21 24-hour shift, like you know, once a week or once every two weeks, you you put your time in.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_05: Sure.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_05: He was three and a half years out of 11 working straight technically.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_05: So if you put all those together, those night shifts, right?
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_05: Like the night shifts that we call law enforcement.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_05: He worked three and a half years in night shifts in those 11 years that he was there.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_05: Just to to make a meets, to learn, to prove himself.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_05: Because even going to Israel, you're still an outsider in a way.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_05: Even if you're Jewish, because there's a whole other other thing going on in Israel, is between Ashkenazim and Israhim.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_05: So people that came, Jewish people that came from Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and people like came from uh Europe.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_03: When you say a thing, is it just an acknowledgement or is it within the culture a it's a friction?
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_03: Interesting.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_03: Interesting.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_03: Who would consider themselves on top of that food chain and why?
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_05: Uh that's a good question.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_05: So uh people that came from Europe, they came more, I want to say, educated in a way.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_05: There's more engineers that came from Russia, came from Romania, came from Poland, came from countries that like education was everything.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_05: Like if like in Romania, so my grandma worked in a can factory because it was the can factory that the government had in that town, and guess what?
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_05: That's where you work.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_05: Like you don't have choices.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_03: Like you go to work and then you get paid at the end of the week, is it like that?
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_03: That's pretty much, but but that's what you do.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_05: So to be the better, you lawyers, engineers, doctors, that's it.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_05: There's nothing else.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_05: Like besides that, that's what you do.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_05: You work in the factory or you do something in engineers, you know, something that you have to study.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_05: Like, so my dad is a doctor, his sister's a doctor as well.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_05: So back then it was a doctor, you're like, so Russia, the same thing, you know, Cold War, like Russia is also so when they came to Israel, they came like you know, engineers and like professors and but the language barriers was big problems.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_05: And there was a big immigration in the 60s, the 70s, the 80s.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_05: Before that, the oh, I want to say build the country was people that came from, you know, Jordan and Iraq, you know, Jewish people that lived in Iraq and Jordan and Syria and Lebanon.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_05: There were Jewish people living all over those countries.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_05: When they came, they were like more, you know, like they're more like building the country, building the land, working the land, they build this country.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_05: So now, you know, now you have like diseducated people coming in from Europe with all these degrees, but no language, right?
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_05: No language barriers.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_05: Like you see engineers, like rocket engineers from Russia cleaning the streets.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_05: They don't know the language.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_05: And how do you learn a language when you're like 40, 50 years old?
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_05: The thing is that it's it's a Jewish state, right?
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_05: It's a Jewish country.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_05: Sure.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_05: So Jewish would prosecute all over the world, you know.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_05: I can tell you, like I said in the 80s and 70s, 60s, it was even worse.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_05: So it was the Israel opened like from 1948 when they declare, hey, this we have a country now.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_05: Hey, everybody start coming to Israel, right?
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_05: All the Jewish, you have a right.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_05: So if you're Jewish, you automatically get your citizenship, get whatever you need to get, you automatically can come into Israel.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_03: So the persecution is universal, it's really spiritual.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_05: But people from all over the globe Russian Jews, Romanian Jews, uh Iraqi Jews, Ethiopian Jews.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_05: Got it.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_05: So it was even worse back then.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_05: And it's we're even worse like I'm talking to a said in the country that they shut your lights, shut your water.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_05: They want to talk to you just because they want to talk to you.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_05: You know, um, there's no rights.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_05: Like when people say, you know, human rights, this is something that we invented here.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_05: There's no real human rights in the world.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_03: Well, let me ask you this.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_03: You've lived in all three countries Israel, Romania, and now in the USA.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_03: And there is a there are certain political types who hate America.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_03: And it's and they're in politics and they have followers.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_03: Can you compare the freedoms that we enjoy here with the with the other places you've lived?
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_05: If you ever go to Romania, and you can go to Poland and go to Russia, it's the same thing.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_05: But if you go to Romania in Bucharest, it has a palace, and I went to visit.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_05: I think it was like 20 years old, 21 years old.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_05: I went to visit that palace.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_05: The whole palace is made of gold, chandeliers, marble bathrooms, like crazy.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_05: Like the money they have in that building.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_05: And there's a balcony.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_05: If you stay on the balcony, there's a long, like a mile-long lawn, like green, nice, long pasture, you know, like with plants, and and on both sides, there's building.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_05: The story is there was actually buildings all over there.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_05: But your sister said, I want to see a mile down the road.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_05: Take everything out.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_05: And they just took everything out.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_03: So you're telling me it's a simple matter of supply and demand.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_03: If I need more, I demand that you cut yours off.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_05: Correct.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_05: And that's that's communism.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_05: So they grew up very different, but they have they had a house.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_05: And I remember as a kid, like going to the house, it was uh it was like probably like four or five hour drive, and it was a little town, but they had chocolate.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_05: So, like back in the 80s, you you bribed people with chocolate.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_05: You bribe people with coffee, like things that we like, chocolate.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_05: I'm like, yeah, for me, chocolate was like coffee art, right?
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_05: Of all treats.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_05: So I remember going there, but at one point when Francesco fell, um, and I don't know exactly when it was, but when he fell back in 1999 1989, the people in government they came and took whatever they could.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_05: So whoever had empowered, whoever had power took money and gold and paintings, whatever they could take.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_05: So they took their house and put them in a little apartment that that's where they died uh some years back.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_05: Like a little tiny apartment.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_05: They had a huge house.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_05: One of the big banks in Romania sits on that land right now.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_05: That was the central house in that village, in that town, I want to say.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_05: Uh I guess it's the city now because they're growing, I guess.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_05: But there's no paperwork.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_05: And I and I still have family in Romania.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_05: Uh fast forward a little bit.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_05: My actually parents moved back to Romania.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_05: That's a another story a decade ago.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_05: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_05: So um I talked to my cousin.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_05: I was like, hey, you know, can we get, you know, deep for the house?
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_05: It's like, Father, I looked.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_05: There's nothing.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_05: Everything is burned.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_03: They just got rid of it and put a building there.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_05: Done.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_05: And and they sold it, you know, to the biggest bank in Romania.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_05: And um, and that's it.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_05: That's not yours.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_05: And here's an apartment.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_05: You you know, we give the apartment for air quotes for free.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_03: Uh and and and and this is where you're gonna you're gonna live.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_03: I'm trying to wrap my mind around the thinking that my water pressure is low.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_03: Let me turn everybody else's off.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_03: And that and that's not a that's a real thing that you live through.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_03: That you live through.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_03: That's crazy.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, uh, waiting for bread.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_05: You know, I remember as a kid, uh, lying to wait for bread.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_05: And if you're waiting for five hours, then guess what?
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_05: There's no more bread, and you just the next in line.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_05: That's it.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_03: That's it.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, let's pick it up.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_03: You've left Jerusalem.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_03: You're in your new hometown, in your new uh settled town.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_03: And how are you doing in school?
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_05: Well, it's not easy, because even in Israel, so we talked about, you know, we have these kinazim, people that came from this country, some people that came from this country.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_05: So there's an internal thing.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_05: But there's also, if you were born in Israel, you're a tzabao.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_05: So you're you're you're more important because you were born there.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_05: Understood.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_05: Almost a caste or a class system.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_05: I came from, like I said, from different parents, different growing up.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_05: Uh my parents were not religious per se, right?
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_05: So you can just be Jewish.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_05: You don't have to do anything like to be Jewish, you're just Jewish.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_05: And then even in that, there's levels, you know, how much how more Jewish you are, like how many more laws that you keep, how many more holidays you do, how many, you know, you don't work on sabbath and you don't drive and you have a yarmaka.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_05: Why yarmaka you have more colors?
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_05: There's so many things in that.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_05: So when getting to school, I was like, you know, as a kid that just came from Romania, uh, my Hebrew is not that great.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_05: And I kind of got myself into a very high-paced country.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_05: So Israel is go, go, go.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_05: Like an example I give, so when I came here, and I was, you know, off in my military and I was driving, and here in America, especially in Indiana, everybody's nice, nobody punks the horn, nobody cuts your line.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_05: If you turn your blinker, guess what?
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_05: They'll let you in.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_05: Uh-oh.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_05: We went to visit back in Israel.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm putting my blinker on and nothing.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_05: Honking.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_05: Nobody lets you in.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_05: And it took me like probably like 30 minutes in.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_05: And I was married by then, but I was like, I think changing my attitude.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_05: You just go in.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_05: So Israel is a very high-based country.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_05: There's no, like I said, five minutes, move on.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_05: Five minutes, you move on.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_05: Well, you can even see what happened, you know, on October 7th.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_05: One year later, what look what's happening.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_05: Like, you know, how the tables are turned, and Israel is just like, there's no time to mourn.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_05: There's no time.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_05: We have to move forward.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_05: I gotcha.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_03: So is there a time when you begin to feel comfortable?
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_03: Is there a time when you feel like I'm home?
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_05: So kind of growing up there, um, you know, school, trying to make some friends, uh, made a few friends, but again, it was and that's why sometimes when you see Jewish people, Israeli people, there's also a skin difference, right?
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_05: Like I'm I'm more like, you know, from Europe, so I'm more like white, I want to say.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_05: But if you came from Lebanon, Iraq, they're like more dark skinned a little bit.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_05: Because a lot of people are like, oh, you're from Israel?
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_05: I thought like, you know, they they're more like dark skinned a little bit.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_05: I'm like, well, yeah, it depends where they came from.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_05: So again, that's another thing, right?
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_05: So it's very easy to identify who's who and where you're from.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, right.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_05: So there's this all this from you're more Jewish than me, I'm less Jewish than you.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, where did you come from?
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_05: When did you come?
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_05: I was born here, you were not born here.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_05: And and I grew up and kind of like when I was 10 years old in 1991 and Gulf War started.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_05: So Gulf War started.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_05: Me as 10 years old, we went to a center where they measure a gas mask, like a gas mask, like in the movies.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_05: And you now have a gas mask.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_05: You go to school with a gas mask now.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_05: So reality is at 10 years old that I go to school with a gas mask and I can't carry everything.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_05: So we leave some books at school and some books at home because we need to make sure we have a gas mask.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_05: This just popped in my head.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_03: I gotta ask you this.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_03: In your 10-year-old mind, when you know and understand that Jewish people have been persecuted all over the world, what reason is given?
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_03: Without a uh religious or spiritual context, it doesn't make much sense.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_05: I don't think I have a solid answer until this day.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_05: Uh I think everybody has something else.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_05: So in my family, it was very kind of cold family, uh, right?
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_05: Like we don't talk much, uh, like even about my grandparents, you know, their stories and what they went through.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_05: So you I want to say not all families, but European families is just more cold.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_05: You know, they came from communist country.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_05: You know, you don't talk, you don't get it.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_05: Well, like you said, you move on.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_05: You get you got a stiff backbone, you move on to the yeah, like how how how the past can help you, you know.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_05: And I find myself in today, like, okay, why do I need to talk about it kind of like you know, we're moving on.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_05: It is it is what it is.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_05: We can talk about it, but we need to move on.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_05: Again, I'm I'm I know it's not the correct way, I know it's not the way, but there was not really conversation with my parents.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_05: You know, there's not really uh it's just everybody hates the Jewish people.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_05: Uh-huh.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_05: That's that's how it is.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_05: Uh there's many reasons.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_05: Uh because they uh drink his blood, right?
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_05: Because uh they uh uh kill Jesus.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_05: Uh because uh there's so many, there's no that's and that's that's ironic when you ask the people why they protest against the Jewish state, why there's no really an answer.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_05: There's no there's no a conclude final and the answer certainly is never it's spiritual.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_03: That that that certainly does not end up being the answer.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_05: In in in a way, it is it is as well in a way depends who you ask.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_05: So if you ask the the Hasidic, right?
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_05: The Khavidim, the one that wear all black, right?
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_05: Like the the black hat and the the the black clothes and everything.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_05: Sure, that's that's even that's that's a whole nother issue that we have in Israel as well.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_05: Um there's again there's so much, there's so much dynamic happening in Israel, and that's why I say people, if you if one time in your life you can go, like if you have an opportunity, just go and see what's really happening there.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_05: You can you can talk to a rabbi, Muslim, Christian, Buddha in five minutes.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_05: Like you can find them all.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_05: Everybody's right there.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_05: Everybody's there.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_05: It's the most diverse.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_05: So, you know, when I see all this, it's the most diverse country.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_03: We are just going.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_03: That's it.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_03: We've always wanted to, but maybe this conversation is just the impetus that I'm hanging up with you and getting on a plane, brother.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_04: Hey, let me know if you need a guide, then uh, you know, we can uh we can write this off.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, we are going to talk.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_03: Trust me on that.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_03: So so let me so let me take it up when you're about to go into the military.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_03: I guess you're going to be 16, 17, 18, somewhere in there.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_05: So 18 it kind of goes.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_05: So, you know, you got because you like, you know, you get to like uh almost kind of graduation, a couple years before, there's some testing they do for you.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_05: And I was always a kid, like I wanted to do many things, a bunch of things, be kind of the first.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_05: I was, I was, I want to say, I was not at home a lot.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_05: You know, I was hanging out with friends, doing things.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_05: The moment I could have like take off, I was out, you know, I was kind of doing my thing and uh getting ready to go to the military.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_05: Let's slow down a little bit.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_05: What was it like being a teenager where you grew up?
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, see, I know the American version.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_03: I was a good kid.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_05: I was I was saying I was a good kid in a way on, let's say, on um, you know, doing like drinking.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_05: So you can drink when you're 18, but so we were clubbing since like 15, 16, we were drinking.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_05: Oh wow.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_05: Right, because nobody cares.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_05: At least back in the day, you go into a club, nobody checked your IDs.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_05: Uh I was tall kid, so I'm kind of a tall guy.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_05: I was older a little bit, you know, but nobody cares, right?
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_05: So 18 year drink, 16 year party.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_05: We party, you know, go partying and clubbing, and even going to clubs.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_05: So when you go to clubs there, there's people like with ARs uh guarding the doors.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_05: There's people with guns.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_05: Not for the for the party people, it's because terrorism, right?
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_05: Because terrorist attacks, because clubs.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_05: So there's uh Dolphinarium.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_05: It's a club that back in back in uh I think 2000 blew up.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_05: We used to go to the club.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_05: I just was not there that week.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_05: Oh wow.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_05: Uh so growing up was the tense, like you know, like you go out, you walk everywhere you walk, you go on a bus, so everything is bus transportation there.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_05: So buses are big, just like New York.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_05: Uh so you go on buses to school.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_05: So uh a public bus to school.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_05: It's not like here they take you, they drop you down.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_05: I used to walk to school, you know.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_05: Like I tell my kids, you know, from here to the school, you guys can walk and see how it's and they just like uphill both ways in the snow.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_05: Rainy, yep, rain.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_05: And luckily there's no snow, you know.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_05: We are uh there's some snow in Jerusalem once in a once in a blue moon.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_05: I think actually you have snow this week.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_05: It's kind of interesting.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_05: But uh Oh boy.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_05: So, you know, growing up and when when you see a blast blow up, uh, when you see a club blow up, when you see a shopping center, so we used to go to shopping centers, they blew up all the time.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_05: And back in the 1999, 1998, there was 17 there, 18, uh 2000, there was a there was a a wave of of suicide bombers.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_05: How how how uh how crazy is this to think like this?
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_05: But we drive, so I got my license.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_05: When you're 17, 17 and a half, I get your license there.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_05: You can't get like here, like 15, 15 and a half.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_05: You drive and me and my buddies in a I I kind of had a car and a red light.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_05: And there's a bus next to you.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_05: And like, hey, bro, what bus number is that?
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_05: And he's like uh 55.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_05: And that was a very busy bus known to get blow up all the time.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_05: And like, oh sh, like, let's just run the red light.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_03: Like, that's that's and you really did.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_05: You uh I can imagine you probably.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_05: So when you go on a bus, you look, you you walk from the first the beginning to the end, and you just look at everybody.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_05: You look white.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_05: If you see a guy summer and he has a coat, shit, this is this is a big problem.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_05: Uh McDonald's, you go to McDonald's, there's a guy, there's a the security guy with a gun, and he checks your purse.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_03: And this is the no Fourth Amendment like here.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_05: No, no.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_05: So I volunteer, so I did like a little uh reserve police.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_05: It's a little bit different, uh, right before the military.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_05: So we do like uh roadblocks.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_05: So let's say imagine uh give me a big highway in Texas.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_05: Uh I was there, I guess.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_05: I-45, I-59, I-65.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, 59.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_05: So let's say right now you get an alert that there's a suicide bomber coming from this little village, and he's because it's intel all the time, is gonna go to Tel Aviv.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_05: They'll stop the whole traffic.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_05: They'll create like a little uh kind of an S shape, you know, like a little barricade in the middle of the road.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_05: And car by car, we will stop and say, hey, where's your I what's your ID?
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_05: Where are you going from?
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_05: Just ask a few questions to see if there's an accident or not.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_05: How do they look like?
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_05: Car by car for hours.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_05: And you have to do that.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_05: You you just have to.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_05: And and and so I I so when I volunteered for the police, this is stuff I used to do.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_05: We used to go get like illegals.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_05: So when I say illegals, is there's people from Gaza.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, let's say Gaza, or you or uh uh Yudan Shabon or Samaria, they come and they have a work permit.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_05: So they can come and work.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_05: They come in the morning, they work, and they have to leave.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_05: They don't leave.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_05: Uh so you could have walked and say, Man, what's like a duck, qualk like a duck, it's probably a duck, and just go up to them and say, Hey, I want to see your ID.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_05: I want to see a paper.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_05: Just like that.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_05: Do people push back like they do here?
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_05: Nah, you can't.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_05: There's reality, you know.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_05: Once, like I say, once you see, you know, once once you blow up buses, once the reality it's just different.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_05: Well, even the government, they they you can have a government today and they don't play nice in six months.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_05: We don't want to play anymore.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_05: New government.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_05: Just have a new vote and new people.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_05: Yep, new vote, everybody, yep, new let's go.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_03: Holy cow.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_03: So we're so let's so we let's pick it up.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_03: Now you're a young man.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_03: We were talking about clubbing, you know, may dabbling in alcohol a little bit, but now you're getting ready to go into the uh IDF.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_05: I had plans and there's some things.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_05: Do you um so do you should added it?
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_05: Because I I'll tell you, but I wanted to get in a specific unit.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_05: So my dad was also he he got into the military as well, but he went in as an officer, as a doctor.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_05: And he had some good, good positions.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_05: So when you go into the military, you go into like a little um test and medical test.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_05: He was the guy who was signing that paperwork.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_05: So a lot of people needed favors kind of thing, right?
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_05: So you you're a very important person.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_05: Sure.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_05: When I wanted to get in, I wanted to go to a specific unit, and um my mom, again, this is this is I didn't know at that time, right?
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_05: This is retrospect, this is growing up kind of like after that.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_05: I kind of realized I put one plus one, oh, it's two.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_05: Um when I got where I was supposed to get to to get my tests and everything, I already had I had a number set.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_05: Like I had no say where to go.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_05: I'm going where I was supposed to go.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_05: Sure.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_05: Like I I my dad already arranged everything, everything was kind of set.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_05: So I was disappointed.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_03: You oh, I was about to say, how did you feel it?
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_05: But did you appreciate it?
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_05: Or were you- I was I was not.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_05: And again, this is one thing, you know, when I finished my military, I always said see you later, and I went as far as I could.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, right.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_05: So I realized in a young age that that I need to make decisions.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_05: And and whatever didn't work, again, looking back, it was because of my mom, because of my my parents.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_05: So I got in the military and uh I was um I kind of ended up in like a I want to say like a medical tactical unit.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_05: Um, I was the driver and kind of the security guy.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_05: So I saw things, it was pretty cool.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_05: Like, so you know, if something happens, we need to go in.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_05: Um there was a doctor with me, two paramedics.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but I was the armed guy, right?
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_05: I was also in charge of the driving and the safety.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_05: So I did pretty cool things.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_05: I saw some pretty cool places.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_05: Uh but everything is in Israel, right?
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_05: Like you don't go anywhere, if that makes sense.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_05: You know, when back in the day when I was there, you know, we we went into Gaza because Gaza was under control of Israel, right?
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_05: So we control that area.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_05: We have Jewish people living in Gaza.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_05: So I can say back in 2000, you know, 1999, um, I was actually doing stuff there.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_03: Can you can you um can you help me for for folks that we see it on television, you know, we see the video.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_03: Um can you describe Gaza though, beyond the two dimensions that we see on television?
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_03: Can you tell me more about what that area, how big is it?
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_03: How many people are there?
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_05: So it's the size of Vegas, Las Vegas, more or less.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_05: I think somebody compared to that.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_05: Uh so it's like 48 kilometers, uh, but it's more or less, let's say, like Las Vegas size.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_03: And how many people are there?
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_05: Uh around two, right now, two 2.2 million people.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_05: Pretty dense.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_05: It's a building, building, buildings.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_05: It's pretty dense uh area.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_03: When you're in there acting as security, how uncomfortable is that?
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, when you're 18, 19.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, you don't think like that, yeah.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_05: You know, you're in the military, man, right?
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_05: We're invincible.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_05: I I can do, you know, but we the unit that was pretty cool.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_05: My home base was actually uh next to the airport.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_05: It was in the central.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_05: So we deal with civilian stuff and military stuff.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_05: So I uh we responded to even uh motorcycle accidents.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_05: Uh so so I kind of saw a lot of things um in in my short three years, I want to say in the military, but I always wanted to do more.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_05: So taking back for a second, I was drinking and stuff when I was young, but never did anything else because I always wanted to get in law enforcement.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_05: Gotcha.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_05: So the unit I really truly wanted to get, it was it was a it was a very specific unit, and and I was very kind of I want to say hurt or crash or just just because I couldn't get there.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, disappointed, I get it.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_05: Very disappointed in a way.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_05: Um yeah.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_05: So we so yeah, so I did this, you know, I've been in this unit.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_05: Um it's a small Gaza, it's a small area.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_05: And up until 2015, when we gave it, you know, the military left.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_05: There were Jewish people living there, they were living together with with most of the you know Arabs, uh Palestinian, let's call them.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_05: I want to say this were coexistent in a way, right?
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_05: It was it was just and again, when we think like it's it's a it's a mile, for even now the border, you know, they they walked from Gaza to those villages and massacre people, right?
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_05: They they actually walked.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_05: So this is how close this is to Israel borders, I want to say.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_05: So so it's not like you know, it's the size of Vegas, but it's like somewhere in an island.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_05: I see.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_05: It's the size of Vegas, but again, so even the population.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_05: So in 1948, when we kind of when they separated, there was around 300,000 Palestinians living there.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_05: So since then until today, now it's 2.2, right?
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_05: So there's a growth going on in that area.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_05: So when I say 2.2, it didn't like over at night happen, but it happened through the years.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_05: Gotcha.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_05: More dance and more dance and more dance and more dance.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_03: When you finished up the military, I heard you say you were anxious to get on, to move on.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_03: Is is that what you did to the states after you finish your stint with the idea?
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so finish, yeah.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_05: So I finished the idea, finished the military, and um so I grew up on uh um Beverett Hills Bevered Hill Scott with Eddie Murphy coming to America.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_05: Watching on TV, cleaning steward, you know, uh cowboy movies, right?
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_05: So I had a vision for America, you know, you can be whatever you can be, you can make it, you can it's just a better country, it's just a better place.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_05: So after the military, usually what happens to to guys is they go to India, Thailand, six months, cheap countries, you know, smoke as much as they can smoke, disappear for six months, a year, two years.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_05: I was like, man, uh you know, I still have a dream somewhere to be a police officer, right?
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_05: But I want to see America.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_00: The revelation to John chapter sixteen.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_00: Then I heard a loud voice from the temple telling the seven angels, Go and pour out on the earth the seven bowls of the wrath of God.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_00: So the first angel went and poured out his bowl on the earth, and harmful and painful sores came upon the people who bore the mark of the beast and worshipped its image.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_00: The second angel poured out his bowl into the sea, and it became like the blood of a corpse, and every living thing died that was in the sea.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_00: The third angel poured out his bowl into the rivers and the springs of water, and they became blood.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_00: And I heard the angel in charge of the waters say, Just are you, O holy one, who is and who was, for you brought these judgments, for they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and you have given them blood to drink.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_00: It is what they deserve.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_00: And I heard the altar saying, Yes, Lord God the Almighty, true and just are your judgments.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_00: The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and it was allowed to scourge people with fire.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_00: They were scourged by the fierce heat, and they cursed the name of God, who had power over these plagues.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: They did not repent and give him glory.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_00: The fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and its kingdom was plunged into the darkness.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_00: People gnawed their tongues in anguish, and cursed the God of heaven for their pain and sores.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_00: They did not repent of their deeds.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_00: The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the east.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs, for they are demonic spirits, performing signs who go abroad to the kings of the whole world, to assemble them for battle on the great day of God the Almighty.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_00: Behold, I am coming like a thief.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_00: Blessed is the one who stays awake, keeping his garments on, that he may not go about naked and be seen exposed.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_00: And they assembled them at the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_00: The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple from the throne, saying, It is done.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_00: And there were flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, and a great earthquake, such as there had never been since man was on the earth.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: So great was that earthquake.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_00: The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell, and God remembered Babylon the Great to make her drain the cup of the wine of the fury of his wrath.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_00: And every island fled away, and no mountains were to be found, and great hailstones, about one hundred pounds each, fell from heaven on people.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_00: And they cursed God for the plague of the hail because the plague was so severe.
• 41:52
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