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Press Pass | Thomas Jr., Oluokun and Engram Speak on Facing the Jets · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: The first time.
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  Speaker 2: So we had a like a one on one interview.
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  Speaker 2: I asked you who you had your first jersey, have
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  Speaker 2: NFL jersey with Aaron Rodgers. So what's it like, uh
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  Speaker 2: knowing that this is your first time playing against him professionally?
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  Speaker 1: Uh? Super excited. Uh. I was just telling my UH
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  Speaker 1: coach hat earlier about I don't know how I was
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  Speaker 1: gonna react out when I uh see him for the
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  Speaker 1: first time.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, but Uh, I'm super excited just to be able
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  Speaker 3: to go up against him, and Uh, actually I have
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  Speaker 3: this chance to play football against him, so it would
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  Speaker 3: be ill be great.
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  Speaker 4: Did you ever imagine that you'd be in this position?
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  Speaker 1: Mr, I'm definitely not an I done. Mm what stands
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  Speaker 1: out about the Jets defense? What really do well?
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  Speaker 5: Uh?
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  Speaker 1: They got two pretty pretty good corners.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, they got a great front for uh for for
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  Speaker 3: a good d linemen.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, defensive tackles are really good. Uh.
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  Speaker 3: Uh they're just a great or I mean it's just
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  Speaker 3: a good t defense in general.
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  Speaker 6: That's your approach when you go against like a a
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  Speaker 6: a highly rated uh A top tier corner back. I mean, uh,
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  Speaker 6: take us through your week of preparation when you go
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  Speaker 6: in just to face.
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  Speaker 1: The guy up just sauce for example.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Uh, I prepare the same Uh, whether I'm going
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  Speaker 3: against a number one corner in the league or whether
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  Speaker 3: it's a m last.
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  Speaker 1: Rate of corner in the league.
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  Speaker 3: Uh I I feel like they have to prepare for me,
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  Speaker 3: and uh I try to keep that a mindset.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: Just prepare myself the same way. I prepare myself each
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  Speaker 3: and every week time. I prepare myself to go out
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  Speaker 3: there and be the best.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why I want. Yeah, from what you've seen
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  Speaker 1: on the film, maybe what sort of stands out about
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  Speaker 1: Saws and how he's been able to uh do what
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  Speaker 1: he's done over the last few years.
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  Speaker 3: Uh he's uh s really long. Uh, he plays hard,
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  Speaker 3: plays with grace speed. Uh y Uh He's does a
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  Speaker 3: lot of great things, and just uh just him his motor. Really,
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  Speaker 3: that's what really stands out to me, the motor.
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  Speaker 1: How much do you want.
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  Speaker 4: The rookie receiving record yardage wise and catch wise? Is
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  Speaker 4: it something that you really wanna set or is it
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  Speaker 4: just something that happens for you during the season.
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  Speaker 3: Nah, definitely, I really uh wanna set it. Uh, I
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  Speaker 3: really wanna get that. Uh that's a big thing for
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  Speaker 3: me now that uh I've his like came up, came
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  Speaker 3: up uh at that point, So I really wanna do
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  Speaker 3: that and achieve that goal for myself.
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  Speaker 4: And then what's the goal after that?
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  Speaker 7: A thousand?
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  Speaker 3: Uh just get as much as I can, whether it's
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  Speaker 3: a thousand, twelve undred, uh eleven hundred, any just the
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  Speaker 3: most as I can.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Right.
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  Speaker 8: Obviously, no game is bigger than than others or m
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  Speaker 8: no matchup is bigger than others. But you look at
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  Speaker 8: some of these kind of you know, going you're gonna
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  Speaker 8: get some of the premier talents, these.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of look at like benchmark.
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  Speaker 9: Kind of games.
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  Speaker 8: As a competitor, what you say, where you go up
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  Speaker 8: against some of this in your premier talent? You know,
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  Speaker 8: we be talking about the corners. You know, if you
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  Speaker 8: look at these a kind of benchmark kind of uh games,
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  Speaker 8: you as a competitor.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, I treat every game the same.
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  Speaker 3: I try to uh go approach uh each game the
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  Speaker 3: same way. Uh and uh I just try to go
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  Speaker 3: out there and put my best foot forward and be
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  Speaker 3: the best that I can be here, whether it's a
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  Speaker 3: whether it's top corner or like I said, the worst
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  Speaker 3: for eady corner or whatever however that goes there.
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  Speaker 7: Do you hear all of the outside commentary about get
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  Speaker 7: Brian Thomas Junior the goal?
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  Speaker 5: Uh?
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  Speaker 3: I mean it's everybody hears it or whatever, but I
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  Speaker 3: try not to focus on it.
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  Speaker 10: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: I just go out there.
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  Speaker 3: I played the game the way I'm supposed to play
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  Speaker 3: and do what I'm supposed to do and be ready
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  Speaker 3: whenever the ball comes to me.
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  Speaker 7: Mac was talking today about how you want it? Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: and you you tell him you want it. He likes
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  Speaker 7: that you want it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, where's it come from?
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  Speaker 3: Uh? I mean just me being out there playing. I
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  Speaker 3: feel like I'm always open, so I'm always going the balls.
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  Speaker 7: That Jamar Chase had the ball thrown at him eighteen
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  Speaker 7: times of Monday Night football. Yeah, and Jack Taylor preus
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  Speaker 7: his brother said you can't get it to him enough. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: just keep throwing at him. Would you like eighteen targets?
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  Speaker 3: I W I would love I would love that, But
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  Speaker 3: I mean I I'm I played a game the.
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  Speaker 1: Way the uh, the way it's supposed to be played.
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  Speaker 3: And I mean if the eighteen targets came out way,
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  Speaker 3: I W I would love that, But I mean if
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  Speaker 3: they don't i'm'a go out there and make the most
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  Speaker 3: of what the targets that I do get.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, looking at what we saw between you and Mac
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  Speaker 8: on Sunday and obviously you guys practicing together on the practice,
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  Speaker 8: would you feel like you guys were kind of getting
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  Speaker 8: the general to get a little bit more.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely feel like we grow each and every day,
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  Speaker 3: each and every week. Uh, I feel like we get
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  Speaker 3: better and better. W Uh just him uh knowing me
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  Speaker 3: and mean getting to know him a lot better.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, I feel like we're getting better each and every
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  Speaker 1: week for sure.
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  Speaker 6: Thanks Brian Aaron Rodgers.
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  Speaker 1: He faced the ball twice in Atlanta? Is that right?
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  Speaker 6: What?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Twice he face Thank you?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? What is it about him? What stands out?
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  Speaker 6: You know, you're twenty in the league for him?
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  Speaker 10: You know, obviously this knows a lot of football, so
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  Speaker 10: he's able to diagnose defenses and uh understand where his
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  Speaker 10: hot throws are. Uh, gets the ball out of his
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  Speaker 10: hands quickly when he knows where he wants to go.
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  Speaker 10: Obviously he has that game within the game with the
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  Speaker 10: substitutions and the hurry up and everything. Definitely try to
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  Speaker 10: control the pace on his own. Uh and then you know,
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  Speaker 10: just being able to make all the throws off his
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  Speaker 10: back foot and stuff at this age is really cool
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  Speaker 10: to see. Uh, but you know, we have to be
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  Speaker 10: able to uh accept that challenge beyond our our our
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  Speaker 10: matches right away and then if the down does get prolonged,
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  Speaker 10: be able to stay on our matches.
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  Speaker 6: A bunch of four down stops last week take us
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  Speaker 6: through that mentality on defense when all of a sudden, Hey,
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  Speaker 6: they're out there, we're in the red zone.
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  Speaker 1: They're going for it.
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  Speaker 6: What do you guys talk about in the huddle or
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  Speaker 6: is it just hey, we just gotta go make a
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  Speaker 6: play here.
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  Speaker 10: I kind of felt it was gonna be a four
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  Speaker 10: down territory game just the way that the game was going,
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  Speaker 10: and then uh knowing they probably just wanted to get
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  Speaker 10: you know, all the the the points out of their
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  Speaker 10: their drive. But you know when they go for it
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  Speaker 10: on fourth down there, it's like an uh uh opportunity
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  Speaker 10: to take all the points off the board. Instead, it's
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  Speaker 10: just three, let's take all the points off the board.
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  Speaker 10: So you get it to what fourth and two, fourth
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  Speaker 10: and three in goal, Like, it's a lot of space.
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  Speaker 10: Are probably gonna run some some pick flat type things.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 10: You know, Cisco was backside on that one uh throwback,
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  Speaker 10: and then Savage was over there on the in the corner.
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  Speaker 10: Like we were ready for a lot of things that
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  Speaker 10: we always practice and practice, so uh kind of just
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  Speaker 10: alerting different plays that they might run and then when
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  Speaker 10: you do see them, uh, making the uh play on them.
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  Speaker 6: When throughout the season there's been rotations, a lot of
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  Speaker 6: different position groups, right, but on the back end, a
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  Speaker 6: new starting lineup last week, so guys coming and going.
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  Speaker 6: How much by this time of year, you guys probably
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  Speaker 6: have that down though, right, the rotations on defense? How
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  Speaker 6: challenging has that been this year?
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  Speaker 5: It's you know, you just want to do out there
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  Speaker 5: with what's best for the team.
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  Speaker 10: Uh, guys press or whatever the coach sees in a
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  Speaker 10: matchup or whatever, uh whenever your numbers called. Being able
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  Speaker 10: to play and then you know, whatever you seek being
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  Speaker 10: able to come back to the bench and and describe
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  Speaker 10: it to the next guy in can to come in
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  Speaker 10: and make the same play that uh you might've made
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  Speaker 10: or that it's supposed to be made when.
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  Speaker 5: It comes back up.
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  Speaker 10: So it's been it's been good communication wise, and then
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  Speaker 10: everybody's growing. I think that's uh, definitely important, especially this
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  Speaker 10: part of the year. Just keep growing and being able
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  Speaker 10: to play together, making the right calls within the calls.
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  Speaker 10: I think everybody on the same page is always gonna
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  Speaker 10: be the best part, uh, going in this later year,
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  Speaker 10: seeing a lot more cohesiveness in the beginning of the year.
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  Speaker 2: I was speaking of calls. I know Josh said post
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  Speaker 2: game he felt like there was a concerted effort to
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  Speaker 2: get the call in early, that you were trying to
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  Speaker 2: get the call to everybody as quickly as possible. That
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  Speaker 2: acco was that a conversation during the week. Was that
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  Speaker 2: something that was a point of emphasis.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, definitely just been a point of emphasis. You know,
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  Speaker 10: a lot of teams u uh with going in after
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  Speaker 10: a first down conversion, try to s get lined up, uh,
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  Speaker 10: make sure they keep you in whatever personnel you're in,
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  Speaker 10: so it's getting a call and be able to play.
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  Speaker 10: You know, whatever formation they line up in is is
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  Speaker 10: uh name of the game when they do that. And
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  Speaker 10: then just making sure that we can get our calls
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  Speaker 10: within the calls. I think that's always been important to that.
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  Speaker 10: You know, on defense, we had one call, a lot
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  Speaker 10: of things happen within that play. Making sure that the
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  Speaker 10: backside understands what the front side is doing. Cause everything
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  Speaker 10: ties into each other. So, like I said earlier, growing
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  Speaker 10: and playing cohesive football, Uh, it's definitely cool to see
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  Speaker 10: what we're doing a better job at debt.
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  Speaker 2: Where would you evaluate the communication last week?
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  Speaker 5: Compare best?
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, the best the best best UH for the UH
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  Speaker 10: year and there's still a lot.
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  Speaker 5: Of room to grow.
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  Speaker 2: So speaking of last week, does the win against the
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  Speaker 2: Titan spark anything at all?
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  Speaker 8: During practice this week?
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  Speaker 9: In preparation for the Jets?
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  Speaker 5: Keep preparing UH to win a game? Uh spark. We're
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  Speaker 5: We're motivated every week to win a game.
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  Speaker 10: Obviously, it's good to see all your hard work, you know,
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  Speaker 10: come up on a on a winning column. But just
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  Speaker 10: use that as motivation to keep working, uh in order
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  Speaker 10: to get more wins out of the year.
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  Speaker 5: Obviously, you know the year is what it is, but
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  Speaker 5: let's try to make the best of UH what we
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  Speaker 5: have left.
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  Speaker 8: Does it feel lighter at all?
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  Speaker 5: You know as far as UH it just what do
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  Speaker 5: you mean, like, oh, like happier?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, do you go? Oh?
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  Speaker 10: I mean yeah, We're happy to win for sure, we
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  Speaker 10: want more wins. So I might be the wrong person
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  Speaker 10: to ask about happier and lighter and stuff.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not a l you know, I'm tryna win every game,
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  Speaker 5: so I definitely good energy though good positivity.
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  Speaker 10: Uh, let's continue to stack it and and get back
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  Speaker 10: on on the horse to you know, get another win.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: What's the chess match like for?
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  Speaker 5: Uh?
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  Speaker 1: For your defense?
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  Speaker 8: Obviously going up against the guy that's seen a lot
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  Speaker 8: of football and it's probably seen everything you could possibly
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  Speaker 8: throw out.
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  Speaker 10: It's really focusing on ourselves because you know, if you're
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  Speaker 10: in the wrong spot. I feel like that's what the exploits,
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  Speaker 10: and he knows, uh what looks to to expect, especially
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  Speaker 10: you put up so much film out this part of
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  Speaker 10: the year, So just owning our calls. I think it's
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  Speaker 10: always gonna be important against a very witty quarterback and
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  Speaker 10: then being in the right place and tackling. I think
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  Speaker 10: tackling keeping you know, to second along, third along on
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  Speaker 10: check downs, but I know he knows when to throw
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  Speaker 10: that check down.
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  Speaker 5: Uh, and then you can, uh, you.
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  Speaker 10: Know, take advantage of the pass rush if the if
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  Speaker 10: we got some dialed up, get him off the spot.
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  Speaker 10: I think that's the way to win the game.
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  Speaker 8: Is there like a sort of like a balance you
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  Speaker 8: have to find between pressure and patience, knowing obviously if
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  Speaker 8: he can kind of get loose, he can kind of
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  Speaker 8: hurt you downfield.
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  Speaker 5: Is to play I I I'm one more time, I'm.
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  Speaker 8: Sorry, Like is there is there like a balance between
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  Speaker 8: you know, obviously pressure and kind of being patient knowing
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  Speaker 8: that if you know he gets off the spot sending
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  Speaker 8: plays and things like that.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, it's big plaster. I mean earlier in the cares
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  Speaker 10: where he hurt a lot of people. He's a lot
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  Speaker 10: more mobile than you want him to be. But he
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  Speaker 10: still has all that arm talent and stuff. So you
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  Speaker 10: come out of uh coverage a little too quick, he's
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  Speaker 10: gonna be able to hit something down the field. And
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  Speaker 10: so they have all their little scramble rules where they
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  Speaker 10: can actually turn it up and go cause he has
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  Speaker 10: all that arm talent, so a lot of times letting
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  Speaker 10: the rushers rush. And then you you do your job
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  Speaker 10: on the coverage. If you can pull up the lad
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  Speaker 10: or something, your your coverage is black, and then you
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  Speaker 10: can go to it, but make sure cause they are
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  Speaker 10: a lot of screens on a second a long too,
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  Speaker 10: so really just doing your part of the play and
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  Speaker 10: then uh letting your rushers rush, right, but like just
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  Speaker 10: that he's been.
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  Speaker 2: In the lead for so long in that regard, just
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  Speaker 2: you're in the field again.
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  Speaker 9: With a guy like Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, I mean, I
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  Speaker 9: think he's uh definitely one of the best ever play
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  Speaker 9: talent wise for sure.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 9: Everybody likes to debate that kind of stuff, but in
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  Speaker 9: my eyes, he's definitely one of the most talented quarterbacks
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  Speaker 9: to step foot in this league. So definitely appreciate games
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  Speaker 9: like that against uh, great players in this league. And
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  Speaker 9: uh to be able to share the field with great
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  Speaker 9: players like that is uh is pretty cool as well.
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  Speaker 1: Which thing is that stands out about the Jets secondary you?
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  Speaker 5: Uh?
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  Speaker 9: I mean, honestly, their whole defense just plays really well together.
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  Speaker 9: They play violent, they run to the football, they're physical,
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  Speaker 9: and they're athletic in the back end. I mean, they're
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  Speaker 9: athletic all over the field, honestly. Uh. They cause problems everywhere.
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  Speaker 9: So we're gonna have to We're gonna have to come
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  Speaker 9: prepared to be physical, to be explosive, uh, and to
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  Speaker 9: have great finish all game uh to be successful against them.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, w what difference, if any have you
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  Speaker 8: noticed in in Mac just the way he's kind of
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  Speaker 8: carried himself for the last.
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  Speaker 1: Couple of games.
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  Speaker 9: Uh just uh, just kind of letting it loose. I think, uh,
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  Speaker 9: you know, we had some we had a rough couple
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  Speaker 9: of games as a offense, and you know that can
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  Speaker 9: that can kill confidence, that can uh you know, create doubt.
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  Speaker 1: But uh Mac is persevered. Uh, we all persevered, and.
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  Speaker 9: I think we really just you know, stick together in
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  Speaker 9: that and continue to push each other forward. I think
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  Speaker 9: Mac has been a great example of uh finishing. Obviously
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  Speaker 9: there might be times or you know, you don't wanna
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  Speaker 9: start the way you wanna start, but it's how you finish.
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  Speaker 9: And I think, uh, you know, ever since since Trevor's
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  Speaker 9: been down him coming back up, he's been able to
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  Speaker 9: you know, play with more confidence, understand that you know,
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  Speaker 9: there's gonna be some misshots, uh, but stay in the
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  Speaker 9: game and then we'll get gone. And he's he's shown that,
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  Speaker 9: he's shown proof of that.
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  Speaker 1: For sure.
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  Speaker 4: Whose ease turned out to be a good thing, right
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  Speaker 4: for like the school school?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 9: Shoot uh nah, I honestly, you know, definitely ready to
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  Speaker 9: move past all that everything that happened, but definitely a
• 12:01
  Speaker 9: great cause benefit for sure. Got a lot of tweets
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  Speaker 9: and a lot of mentions on social media about pit
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  Speaker 9: fans and people donating to the school, and honestly, uh,
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  Speaker 9: they're donating for what happened on the field, but if
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  Speaker 9: they really you know, I you know, I probably assumed
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  Speaker 9: they went and did their research and saw what they
• 12:19
  Speaker 9: were investing in and you know, helping out. Uh it's
• 12:22
  Speaker 9: a great cause. It's a great place. They do great
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  Speaker 9: things every single day and any help is as well appreciated.
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  Speaker 9: So definitely, uh, definitely, very very blessed and grateful for
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  Speaker 9: uh whatever whatever did take place led to something really
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  Speaker 9: good for sure.
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  Speaker 4: Should number ninety nine though, right, that would have helped
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  Speaker 4: a little more for sure.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, Nah, it was cool with a lot of seventeen donations. Uh,
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  Speaker 9: definitely a shot out to all the people who did donate.
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  Speaker 9: Like I said, it's going to a really good cause.
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: What about the throwback uniforms.
• 12:54
  Speaker 9: Yeah, no, it's uh those are beautiful. Honestly, been uh
• 12:58
  Speaker 9: been having this one circle for a while to get
• 13:00
  Speaker 9: back in those and uh we won the last time
• 13:03
  Speaker 9: we were in them too, so hopefully we'll keep that going.
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: Thanks having Thanks