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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Hammer, and this is the Josh Shammer Show.
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Speaker 1: Today is the latest meeting between the United States and
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Speaker 1: their Iranian counterparts over in Geneva, Switzerland's will he or
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Speaker 1: won't to you? When it comes to Donald Trump and
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Speaker 1: military action in Iran, Well, we're going to bring on
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Speaker 1: Robert Spencer, director of gi Hotwatch, later on in the show,
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Speaker 1: talk about that as well as the gas lighting operation
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Speaker 1: currently happening on the rights when it comes to the
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Speaker 1: attempt to islamicize the concerted movement here in the United States. Well,
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Speaker 1: speaking of gaslighting operations, we also are going to be
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Speaker 1: thrilled be joined by Buck Sexton, the author of a
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Speaker 1: best selling brand new book on that exact topic, the
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Speaker 1: Notion of manufacturing Delusion. So two great guests for you
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Speaker 1: later on today's episode of The Josh Shammer Show. But
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Speaker 1: for now we open with this Jim Comer and the
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Speaker 1: US House Oversight Committee in Chappaqua, New York earlier today
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Speaker 1: to collect a deposition test my behind closed doors from
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Speaker 1: none other than Hillary Rodham Clinton herself. Yes, Hillary Clinton
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Speaker 1: deposed by the House Oversight Committee behind closed doors in
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Speaker 1: the Clinton's home in Chappaquat earlier today, Hubby her Hubby
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Speaker 1: Bill Clinton Selick Willie himself is set to be deposed
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Speaker 1: by the same committee tomorrow on Friday, February twenty seventh.
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Speaker 1: It will be the very first time that a former
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Speaker 1: president has been deposed or testified by Congress in the
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Speaker 1: entire history, frankly of the United States Congress. What is
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Speaker 1: actually going on here, Well, this is part of the
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Speaker 1: House Oversight Committe's continued investigation into Epstein, into Epstein, and
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Speaker 1: into who might have had any kind of accountability in
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Speaker 1: some of the most horrific underage sex trafficking pedophilia crimes
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Speaker 1: really in not just American history, but arguably in Western history.
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Speaker 1: It is a reminder that it is Bill and Hillary
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Speaker 1: Clinton who were substantially who are substantially closer to America's
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Speaker 1: most notorious pedophile than Donald J. Trump himself. It is
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Speaker 1: well known as a matter of public record, has been
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Speaker 1: for the oberated by the recent releases of more Epstein files.
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Speaker 1: We've also known for a while that Bill Clinton indeed
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Speaker 1: was on the plane that was frequently known as the
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Speaker 1: quote unquote Lolita Express, Jeffrey Epstein's plane that would go
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Speaker 1: to and from Epstein Island, as well as various other
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Speaker 1: places there. It is disputed as to whether or not
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Speaker 1: Bill Clinton actually was on the island. There is not
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Speaker 1: necessarily a ton of evidence for that. There are some
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Speaker 1: people continue to think something to the contrary. Hillary Clinton Orbitter,
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Speaker 1: surely again this is closed door hearing earlier today will
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Speaker 1: we are waiting on the transcripts at this time, but
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Speaker 1: albit surely just taken the fifth over and over and
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Speaker 1: over again. Democrats interestingly had pushed actually for these two
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Speaker 1: depositions of both Bill and Harrowy to combers ors like Committee.
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Speaker 1: They wanted these hearings to actually be out in the
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Speaker 1: open there. Your miles may vary as to what do you
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Speaker 1: think their motivation might be for that, but in any event,
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Speaker 1: these actually are going to be behind closed doors. It's
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Speaker 1: just a reminder, as I said, though, to take a setback.
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Speaker 1: Bill Clinton on the Lolita Express over and over and
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Speaker 1: over and again. On the other hand, you have Donald J. Trump,
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Speaker 1: who wrote Kahana perhaps above all the congressmen of California,
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Speaker 1: who has been patently obsessed with the Epstein portfolio for
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Speaker 1: months now, who is trying to paint along with many
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Speaker 1: of his fellow Democrats that Donald Trump's engaged in a
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Speaker 1: pedophilia Epstein cover up. You saw a lot of this
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Speaker 1: with his stupid stickers. Rashida Tulay, while wearing her pro
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Speaker 1: terrorist caffea at the Stale of Unionjesse the other night,
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Speaker 1: was wearing this little sticker saying release the files or
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Speaker 1: something else Epstein related there. They're trying to make it out,
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Speaker 1: this narrative that they are trying to get into your
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Speaker 1: head because they think that you are stupid. They are
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Speaker 1: trying to convince you that Donald Trump is a major
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Speaker 1: complicit party or at least perhaps engaged was involved with
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Speaker 1: some of the underage girls in the broader Epstein sag
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Speaker 1: of there, and he wasn't. How do we know he
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Speaker 1: wasn't because Donald Trump kicked Jeffrey Epstein out of mar
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Speaker 1: A Lago in Pompach, Florida back in the day as
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Speaker 1: soon as he found out the first whiff of what
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Speaker 1: Epstein had first been accused of. This is going back
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Speaker 1: about two decades, and not only that, he alerted the
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Speaker 1: Palm Beach County Sheriff's office about Epstein. So a lot
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Speaker 1: of this continues to be just a complete ruse. In
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Speaker 1: a song, and dance from the Democrats and frankly some
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Speaker 1: of their useful idiot Republicans as well, people likely disgraced
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Speaker 1: former Congresswoman Martin Taylor Green, people like Thomas Massey, who,
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Speaker 1: god willing will lose his congressional primary late this year
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Speaker 1: to someone who actually cares about supporting the MAGA agenda
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Speaker 1: and doesn't care about being just a complete show voting,
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Speaker 1: useful idiot obstructionist there. But this certainly is going to
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Speaker 1: be generating a lot of headlines over the next forty
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Speaker 1: eight hours at least, if not more than that. Republicans
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Speaker 1: probably not going to get a whole lot of clippable
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Speaker 1: footage out of this. Again, this is closed door testimony
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Speaker 1: and Bill and Hillary all but is surely taken the
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Speaker 1: fifth But if nothing else, if nothing else, as I said,
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Speaker 1: it should hopefully seep into the mind this continued accurate
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Speaker 1: perception that it was the Clintons who were substantially closer
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Speaker 1: to Epstein than Donald J. Trump. I hope that we
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Speaker 1: actually get some political accountability for Epstein. You know, as
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Speaker 1: I've been reminding this audience time and time again, legal
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Speaker 1: accountability has been wanting and will continue to be wanting
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Speaker 1: as comer himself actually acknowledged earlier today speaking outside the
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Speaker 1: Clinton's home in Chappaqua, New York, for the very simple
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Speaker 1: reason that the statute limitations on these crimes all expired
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Speaker 1: a long time ago. Will we get some sort of
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Speaker 1: political accountability? I strongly hope so. I wouldn't necessarily get
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Speaker 1: your hopes up, but the Clintons are a perfectly good
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Speaker 1: place to start if you're looking for some sort of
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Speaker 1: political accountability for the Epstein's scandal. Perhaps for now we
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Speaker 1: will leave it at that. Speaking of more real scandals though,
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Speaker 1: that I think really affect the actual day to day
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Speaker 1: political actors substantially more than these horrific sex crimes that
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Speaker 1: happened two decades or more ago. Some breaking news happening
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Speaker 1: over the past twenty four to thirty six hours, it
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Speaker 1: has now been revealed that in the context of former
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Speaker 1: disgraced dubious so called special counsel Jack Smith's investigation quote
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Speaker 1: unquote investigation again, he was only dubiously appointed the Special
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Speaker 1: Council as judge a lean cannon in the Sun District
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Speaker 1: of Florida, compellingly argue an opinion in the summer twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty four, he actually really wasn't even legitimately appointed special
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Speaker 1: council there. That's why Judge Cannon ends up dis missing
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Speaker 1: that case. So Smith during the course of his quote
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Speaker 1: unquote investigation of the twenty twenty election and also of
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Speaker 1: the classified documents probe in mar A Lago in South
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Speaker 1: Florida and all that there. This is the Arctic frost
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Speaker 1: investigation that recently came to light this past year towards
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Speaker 1: the end of the year twenty twenty five, where there
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Speaker 1: were at least a dozen members of Congress who were
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Speaker 1: gulfed up as part of this sweeping dragnet of individuals
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Speaker 1: trying to get phone records ted Cruz Center of Texas.
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Speaker 1: Among those elected officials who had their phone records there,
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Speaker 1: I believe was eight and t that was subpoenaed by
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Speaker 1: Jacksbith that the end in his investigation, so just yesterday
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Speaker 1: the latest year, is that it was actually both Cash
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Speaker 1: Patel and Susie Wiles, who were then private citizens around
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two twenty twenty three, who had their own
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Speaker 1: phone records also subpoenaed by Jack Smith and by the
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Speaker 1: FBI working pursuant to the authority from Merrick Garland and
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Speaker 1: Jack Smith over at the DOJE. This is really scandalous stuff.
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Speaker 1: Susie Wilds and Cash Matel were both private citizens there
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Speaker 1: they there was absolutely no reason, no reason whatsoever to
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Speaker 1: sick the full force of the federal government on these
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Speaker 1: two private individuals. Susie Wiles ultimately came Trump's campaign manager,
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Speaker 1: and this surveillance we now believe base onall was just disclosed.
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Speaker 1: We now believe the surveillance actually continued until she was
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Speaker 1: the campaign manager there, so deeply or wheely and stuff
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Speaker 1: to put them mildly. To add to say, another wrinkle
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Speaker 1: to this story, Susie Wiles's attorney apparently was aware of
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Speaker 1: the fact that the FBI was tapping their phones and
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Speaker 1: seeking the records and consented to this. I was absolutely
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Speaker 1: astonished Susie Wiles, the current White House, she was staffed,
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Speaker 1: her lawyer allowed the FBI to wiretap their phone calls
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Speaker 1: and she didn't apprise her clients on This is absolutely
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Speaker 1: astonishing stuff. There's a new opbed over at foxnews dot
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Speaker 1: Com with a strolling courage injury from my colleague at
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Speaker 1: the Article three project, Will Chamberlain kind of laying out
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Speaker 1: all the details of this. This is a glaring, glaring
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Speaker 1: violation of the attorney client privilege, one of the great
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Speaker 1: legal privileges in all the Anglo American legal tradition. Frankly,
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Speaker 1: this lawyer should be immediately disbarred. I think Susie Wilders
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Speaker 1: probably has a very solid case for a private cause
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Speaker 1: of action for legal malpractice against her former lawyer. I
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Speaker 1: presume he's a former lawyer. I mean, if you're this
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Speaker 1: interacting this egregiously, I hope that she's not currently retaining
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Speaker 1: you as some sort of private counsel on the outside.
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Speaker 1: I certainly assume that she that she is not. There
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Speaker 1: could easily be some criminal repercussions here as well. Just
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Speaker 1: to give one instance, the FBI agents who solicited Susie
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Speaker 1: Wille's attorney to wiretap this could be charged potentially under
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Speaker 1: a crime like eighteen US Code section twenty five to eleven,
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Speaker 1: which prohibits the unauthorized interception disclosure of communications interstate commerce.
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Speaker 1: So a lot, a lot to unpack here, But it
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Speaker 1: just also goes to the depth of the extremities, to
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Speaker 1: the depth of the extremities of what the previous ministration
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Speaker 1: engaged in. It was really, really, really sordid stuff. A
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Speaker 1: lot of it, frankly, the auto pen scandal, the Arctic
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Speaker 1: frost probe, which we are now just learning some additional
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Speaker 1: details on. I'm sure that we're going to learn additional
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Speaker 1: details in the days and weeks ahead. I hope frankly
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Speaker 1: that the DOJ under Pambondi, the FBI, nor cash MATEL
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Speaker 1: Cash has actually already fired about ten agents who were
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Speaker 1: involved in the marl Lago raid and some of these
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Speaker 1: various other Arctic frost probes there. So good for Cash
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Speaker 1: MATEL for trying to clean house there. Hopefully even more
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Speaker 1: is done this front there. We'll certainly keep you updated here,
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Speaker 1: but some really really deeply, deeply troubling stuff coming out
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Speaker 1: on the Arctic frost probe just over the past day
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Speaker 1: or two. In other news and other news. On a Wednesday,
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Speaker 1: this crazy story off the coast of Cuba, the Cuban
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Speaker 1: military gunning down a US speedboat. A US speedboat. It
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Speaker 1: was a US registered boat, so it was probably not
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Speaker 1: a drug boat. Details at this time are currently scant.
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Speaker 1: Here is just a little bit of what we know.
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Speaker 1: Marco Rubio talking about what we currently know, what we
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Speaker 1: don't know. Here Here is Mark Rure talking about the
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Speaker 1: situation in Cuba.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not going to speculate on what the US
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Speaker 2: will do. What I'm telling you is that we're going
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Speaker 2: to find out exactly what happened and who was involved,
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Speaker 2: and then we'll make a determination on the basis of
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Speaker 2: what we find out. And we are going to find out,
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Speaker 2: but we're not going to just take what somebody else
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Speaker 2: tells us. We're going to find out and I'm very
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Speaker 2: confident we will be able to know the story and
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Speaker 2: be able to independent only verify facts about it.
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Speaker 1: All Right, So reality is that we don't know a
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Speaker 1: whole lot yet, Rubio in an additional clip, saying that
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Speaker 1: we don't really know, frankly, a whole lot yet. What
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Speaker 1: we think at this time, our best guess is that
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Speaker 1: this boat was probably comprised of some disgruntled Cuban expats,
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Speaker 1: probably frankly from here in the South Florida area, in
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Speaker 1: Miami area there who decided to basically take up weapons
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Speaker 1: and try to go Rambo style and kill a bunch
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Speaker 1: of communists there in Cuba. That did not end well
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Speaker 1: for them. We are waiting for the details for sure,
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Speaker 1: but again American nationals looks like they were being killed
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Speaker 1: by Cuba. It is a very very very bad look.
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Speaker 1: We'll see if it leads to something more than that.
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Speaker 1: It's just the Gulf of Tonkin two point zero to
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Speaker 1: make a Vietnam War reference, I guess we'll see. Certainly
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Speaker 1: one thing we know about the Cuban regime, this is
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Speaker 1: in an Orwellian totalitarian, evil, evil regime if there ever
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Speaker 1: were one, wholly wholly engage in things such as manufacturing delusions.
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Speaker 1: And that's actually exactly where we're going to bring on
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Speaker 1: our next guest to discuss there. So Buck Sexton wrote
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Speaker 1: this brand new best selling book called Manufacturing Delusion, and
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Speaker 1: really the Cuban regime is a perfect example of that. So,
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Speaker 1: without further du post, we're going to cost to a
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Speaker 1: quick commercial break. Stay with us on this side for
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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton for his talk on his new book, Manufacturing Delusion.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back. So boy, do we have a treat for you.
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Speaker 1: Making his first appearance on the Josh Hammers Show, and gosh,
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Speaker 1: probably like four years is a good friend of mine.
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Speaker 1: That is the one and only Buck Sexton. You know
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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton from the Clay Travis and Buck buck Sexton Show,
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Speaker 1: The wildly popular Clay Travis Bucks SXS show is also
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Speaker 1: the author of the brand new best selling book Manufacturing Delusion,
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Speaker 1: How the Left uses brainwashing and dootrination and propaganda against you.
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Speaker 1: So Buck, another congratulations to you for this remarkably best
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Speaker 1: selling a new book that you've written.
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Speaker 3: Here.
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Speaker 1: As an author myself, I know how how much work
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Speaker 1: goes into this entire process, So hopefully you are reaping
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Speaker 1: the benefits of that, my friend. Let's dive right in here.
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Speaker 1: The book is on propaganda. The book is also on
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Speaker 1: gas lighting. I think folks who know the show a
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Speaker 1: little bit know that I love the term gas lighting.
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Speaker 1: I use the term gas lighting a lot actually, So
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Speaker 1: let's just get in a little bit and talk about
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Speaker 1: that here in the book. You get it, you get
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Speaker 1: into jihad, you get into the Chinese Communist Party, stalinist totalitarianism,
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Speaker 1: in various forms of totalitarianism. Here, walk us through the
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Speaker 1: process of the gas light if you are a totalitarian regime,
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Speaker 1: walk us through how you think about gas line the populace,
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Speaker 1: and how you start to then actually do it there,
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Speaker 1: and just walk us through what that process.
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Speaker 4: Is got sure well, and what you're what you're referring
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Speaker 4: to josh as gaslight I refer to in the book
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Speaker 4: in different terms used by some of the psychological warfare
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Speaker 4: and as and and forensic, psychiatric and other experts that
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Speaker 4: I draw upon, and going all the way back to Pavlov,
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Speaker 4: who was of course a you know, a physiologist, a
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Speaker 4: Nobel laureate, a scientist of incredible renown. Gaslight I think
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Speaker 4: comes actually as a term from a play, and it's
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Speaker 4: become much more common in modern parliance. It's not something
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Speaker 4: that was part of the of the left sicon of brainwashing,
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Speaker 4: her mind control until pretty recently so, but.
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Speaker 3: There's similar things. I mean, when you say you gaslight somebody,
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Speaker 3: what do you do?
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Speaker 4: I mean you you confuse them, you degrade them. And
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Speaker 4: if you're going to confuse and degrade people systematically, well
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Speaker 4: then you're.
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Speaker 3: Engaged in what juice.
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Speaker 4: Mirrlu formerly or rather born as Abraham Mirlu, changed his
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Speaker 4: name during the Second World War two help evade the Nazis.
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Speaker 4: He spent time in the United Kingdom working for the
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Speaker 4: Dutch army in exile. Some people know the Dutch. Some
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Speaker 4: of them got away, most of them surrendered, but they
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Speaker 4: were part of Operation Overlord and came back, you know
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Speaker 4: as part of the Normandy invasion, but were engaged in
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Speaker 4: psychological operations obviously for occupied Netherlands and Juice Mirrlu the psychiatrist,
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Speaker 4: was involved in that. And what he did was he said,
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Speaker 4: hold on, how did how did these people go crazy?
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Speaker 4: Meaning Nazi Germany of these SS people actually believe in
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Speaker 4: what they were doing, because many of them did, And
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Speaker 4: so he.
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Speaker 3: Broke that down.
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Speaker 4: But one of the big lessons learned that he had,
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Speaker 4: which he then applied to Maoist Chinese thought.
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Speaker 3: Reforms what they call it.
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Speaker 4: We call it brainwashing in this country, but thought reform
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Speaker 4: was the actual Communist Party term also used in North Korea,
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Speaker 4: I might add, and during the Korean War, and we
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Speaker 4: got to the turncoats Americans who were captured and then
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Speaker 4: decided to stay over there, which was a huge shock
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Speaker 4: to Americans at the time. And this led to a
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Speaker 4: whole series of literature and movies, including of course famously
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Speaker 4: The Manchurian Candidate. But mere Lou going back to and
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Speaker 4: meant Tocide is the second chapter of the book after
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Speaker 4: Pavlov which the book is manufacturing Delusion, which I actually think,
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Speaker 4: you know what, the biggest compliment I get into Josh
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Speaker 4: is what.
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Speaker 3: It's actually a good book with real research. That's what
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Speaker 3: people say.
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Speaker 5: I'm like, this isn't some like fakey book that some
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Speaker 5: you know, like contributor at Fox had someone else write
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Speaker 5: for them not to you know. This is like, this
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Speaker 5: is a real book that I wrote that spent like blood,
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Speaker 5: sweat and tears, like you, eighteen months that the CIA
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Speaker 5: had to clear every single word of it.
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Speaker 3: Took them five months.
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Speaker 4: I had to sit after my book got approved for
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Speaker 4: five months to wait for the CIA to clear the book.
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Speaker 4: So yes, and because I talk about being in Nigeria
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Speaker 4: and jihadism, I talk about Iraq and seeing what AQI
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Speaker 4: was doing with the suicide bomber, brainwashing and anyway. So
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Speaker 4: I mean it all comes together. But merlu his whole thing,
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Speaker 4: and this is why it's not a history book. He said,
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Speaker 4: some of these tactics don't require concentration camps or gulags
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Speaker 4: or you know, secret police on every corner. The psychological
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Speaker 4: manipulation that is used is possible without that massive force
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Speaker 4: on a lesser scale, but it is possible in liberal
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Speaker 4: Western democracy. So that was his big warning when he
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Speaker 4: wrote The Rape of the Mind, which was his very
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Speaker 4: famous book, at the time, back in nineteen fifty six.
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Speaker 4: And so in a sense, I'm bringing merlu back back
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Speaker 4: to life today, bringing his theories back into the popular
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Speaker 4: lexicon because COVID BLM, thousands of black men are killed
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Speaker 4: by cops every year and they're unarmed. And I mean,
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Speaker 4: these are madness. These are areas of madness, These are
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Speaker 4: areas of delusion. How do we get to this? And
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Speaker 4: there are very specific you can call them waypoints or
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Speaker 4: tactical threads, approaches, manipulation tactics is usually what I call them,
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Speaker 4: that are common.
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Speaker 3: In these situations.
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Speaker 4: By the way, forced confession or confession forced phobia. I
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Speaker 4: mean each chapter really in the book is one of
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Speaker 4: these things.
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Speaker 3: I mean the.
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Speaker 4: Role of the forced confession in MAOIs Conson Maoist thought
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Speaker 4: reform camps was fascinating because they knew and you knew
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Speaker 4: that you were confessing to nonsense. The point was to
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Speaker 4: get you to confess to nonsense so enthusiastically that after
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Speaker 4: doing it enough, you had to start to believe it.
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Speaker 4: That was the level of confession that they wanted. They
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Speaker 4: weren't getting people to confess to real things. So and
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Speaker 4: it goes all the way down to the wiring and
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Speaker 4: that trauma can do into your brain, and how trauma can.
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Speaker 3: Be used as a tool. This goes to the gas
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Speaker 3: lighting part by.
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Speaker 4: The way, trauma can be used to mold people's perceptions
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Speaker 4: of reality. And that is certainly what totalitarian regimes do,
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Speaker 4: and I argue it's what the modern left is doing
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Speaker 4: today in America. They just lack the power of these
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Speaker 4: totalitarian regimes to do it all out.
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Speaker 1: So that actually leads to very naturally to my next
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Speaker 1: question again at folks Bucks X and you can follow
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Speaker 1: him on x at buck Sex and new best selling
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Speaker 1: book Manufacturing Delusion, how the left uses brainwashing and doctrination
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Speaker 1: and propaganda against you on Amazon everywhere books are sold.
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Speaker 1: Buck you actually very directly and nicely teed up my
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Speaker 1: next question, which is COVID nineteen is the best example
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Speaker 1: in my lifetime, your lifetime, our lifetime of something like
18:49
Speaker 1: this happening I believe, which unfortunately does show that it
18:52
Speaker 1: can happen here. And the question then arises, what is
18:56
Speaker 1: the best inoculation against this sort of thing from arising? Again?
19:01
Speaker 1: Is it legal? Is it having strong constitutional legal safeguards?
19:05
Speaker 1: Is it cultural? Is it spiritual? Part of this is
19:08
Speaker 1: obviously ingrained in the human condition. It's my belief that
19:12
Speaker 1: humans on some level just desire to exert control over others.
19:16
Speaker 1: There's obviously political theory. Federal Summer fifty one, Madison says,
19:20
Speaker 1: if men were angels, you know, et cetera, et cetera,
19:22
Speaker 1: et cetera. So what is the best safeguard to prevent
19:25
Speaker 1: this sort of thing?
19:25
Speaker 4: Prophilactically speaking, Well, with this, I'll actually take you back
19:28
Speaker 4: to what is in a sense the opening of the book,
19:30
Speaker 4: but also it gets to the close of the book
19:32
Speaker 4: as well, which is the chapter on Pavlov, because there
19:36
Speaker 4: was a seminal event in nineteen twenty four when Pavlov's
19:41
Speaker 4: lab in what was then Leningrad. We know it is
19:44
Speaker 4: Saint Petersburg previously, you know, the city changes name several times,
19:49
Speaker 4: but in Saint Petersburg, I'll say, the river, the main
19:55
Speaker 4: river through the city, and the Neva River overflowed, and
19:59
Speaker 4: the daw that Pavlov kept then had been conditioning. We
20:03
Speaker 4: don't need not training conditioning. For years were subjected to
20:09
Speaker 4: the possibility of slowly but surely drowning. I mean, the
20:14
Speaker 4: water was rising, rising, rising, and they're in these kennels right,
20:17
Speaker 4: And so at the last minute, members of Pavlov's staff
20:21
Speaker 4: were able to get through the waist high water. It
20:24
Speaker 4: was a huge flood all across the city, get through
20:25
Speaker 4: the wastside water, get to the labs, save all the dogs.
20:28
Speaker 4: So it's kind of a it's a happy ending in
20:30
Speaker 4: that sense. But some of the dogs had their conditioning
20:34
Speaker 4: because this was over the course of maybe a couple
20:36
Speaker 4: of hours that they could tell the water was going
20:38
Speaker 4: and their animals they know that something is amiss. Their
20:41
Speaker 4: conditioning was wiped away, gone and they and it didn't
20:44
Speaker 4: come back, And so that was something that the Pavlov
20:49
Speaker 4: Lab in Pavlov himself took particular note of. But also
20:52
Speaker 4: that there were changes in behavior that were lasting as well.
20:57
Speaker 4: Formerly aggressive dogs became docile, dossal garlog dogs became aggressive.
21:01
Speaker 4: Now well, this was this was fascinating because it was
21:03
Speaker 4: really a external trauma, and external forced stimuli can change
21:11
Speaker 4: deep brain function in a way that is is lasting
21:16
Speaker 4: and obviously opens up a whole bunch of interesting opportunities
21:21
Speaker 4: for people who want to build like a new new
21:23
Speaker 4: Soviet Man.
21:23
Speaker 3: Right. But and this is to the point.
21:26
Speaker 4: About how individuals can or how people can guard against this.
21:30
Speaker 3: There were dogs that were fine.
21:32
Speaker 4: There were dogs that because of maybe their strong constitution,
21:36
Speaker 4: because of their their makeup, and that was always the case,
21:39
Speaker 4: even with the conditioning before the floods. Some uh, some,
21:43
Speaker 4: and no, obviously we're not canines. But this was all
21:46
Speaker 4: used as a means of understanding us. Some people are
21:50
Speaker 4: just more resistant to force and more resistant to lies.
21:54
Speaker 3: It all just comes down to the individual.
21:55
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23:18
Speaker 1: is that there are some individuals who just are better
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Speaker 1: able to withstand, who are naturally better able to withstand
23:26
Speaker 1: attempts to mislead, attempts to bamboozle, to gaslight, to delude,
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Speaker 1: I engage in all these other very kind of formal
23:34
Speaker 1: intelligence community CIA like terms that Buck was talking about
23:38
Speaker 1: that he probably knows from his time frankly as a
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Speaker 1: former CIA analyst, and I wanted to emphasize one thing,
23:44
Speaker 1: which is to be clear about Buck's the expert. He
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23:49
Speaker 1: It seems to me that there are some things I'm
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23:54
Speaker 1: should do in order for our last question and answer
23:58
Speaker 1: there in order to try to better and not culate
24:00
Speaker 1: the American citizensury against these sorts of operations. And part
24:06
Speaker 1: of this, indeed is mental, part of it is physical,
24:08
Speaker 1: part of it is spiritual. Part of it is legal
24:11
Speaker 1: and political. My own personal day to day interests lie
24:16
Speaker 1: more in the legal political and its supposed to extent
24:18
Speaker 1: in the spiritual realm. This is one of the purposes,
24:22
Speaker 1: of course, of the separation of powers in America. You
24:25
Speaker 1: go back and you read the Federals papers, you read
24:28
Speaker 1: all all the various other supporting documents when it comes
24:31
Speaker 1: to American political theory one A one separation of powers federalism.
24:35
Speaker 1: This this dispersion of power between Article one, Article two,
24:39
Speaker 1: and Article three, and the ultimately between the federal government
24:41
Speaker 1: and the various states governments. A lot of it a
24:43
Speaker 1: lot of it is ultimately towards the end of trying
24:46
Speaker 1: to preserve the American people's liberty and to bolster them
24:51
Speaker 1: so that they can resist attempts at tyranny. Attempts to
24:54
Speaker 1: tyranny don't always come overnight. Oftentimes are much much more insidious. Fact,
25:00
Speaker 1: some of the American founders have direct quotes on that
25:03
Speaker 1: exact topic there about how tyranny does not always come
25:06
Speaker 1: in the form of Jack Boots, does not always come
25:09
Speaker 1: in the form of Robespierre and the guillotine and the
25:11
Speaker 1: reign of terror. There sometimes it is a lot subtler.
25:14
Speaker 1: So you try to devise a structural of government, to
25:17
Speaker 1: again paraphrase Sam's Madison in the Federals fifty one, so
25:20
Speaker 1: that the government has the ability of containing man's ambitions
25:25
Speaker 1: and restraining them, that they are legally less able, less
25:28
Speaker 1: able to undermine your free will, to undermine your freeom
25:32
Speaker 1: of action, your own volition, and to allow you more
25:36
Speaker 1: space in your own life as a free citizen to
25:40
Speaker 1: actually engage in the day to day affairs that being
25:44
Speaker 1: a strong citizen normally requires. Now the correlate to that
25:48
Speaker 1: in the spiritual and religious realm is that you have
25:52
Speaker 1: to have a strong religious backbone. George Washington in his
25:56
Speaker 1: farewell address. It's one of my favorite lines from his
25:59
Speaker 1: farewell address, which he gave in seventeen ninety six. There
26:01
Speaker 1: speaks quite explicitly, quite clearly about how religion is the eternal,
26:06
Speaker 1: indispensable safeguard of a free people. How religion revealed religion,
26:13
Speaker 1: not this notion it's kind of feel good, kind of
26:16
Speaker 1: hippie Woodstock nineteen sixty nine. Notion of spiritual but not religious, No,
26:21
Speaker 1: but actual reveal the biblical religion. How that is the
26:24
Speaker 1: true safeguard that will ensure the lower case are republican
26:30
Speaker 1: habits of mind and sentiments without which no citizenry can
26:35
Speaker 1: cohere and survive in the mid to long term. So,
26:38
Speaker 1: whether it is constitutional structure, whether it is a strong
26:41
Speaker 1: place for the jedeo Christian tradition and biblical religion more
26:46
Speaker 1: generally in the public square, we weaving its way throughout
26:50
Speaker 1: our body politic into our statute, into our legislation, into
26:53
Speaker 1: our jurisprudence, into our court. There these are the ways
26:56
Speaker 1: that the ultimately try to bolster and to fortify a
27:01
Speaker 1: citizenry against attempts to encroach on your liberty, And this
27:06
Speaker 1: has happened in recent memory. Again, COVID nineteen really is
27:08
Speaker 1: the clear the Sinaquon non example. In recent years there
27:13
Speaker 1: of America, the American elites trying to do exactly this.
27:18
Speaker 1: We failed that test. We should look very, very soberly
27:22
Speaker 1: back at the COVID nineteen era. America failed the COVID
27:25
Speaker 1: nineteen test. Is there anyone out there things we want?
27:28
Speaker 6: Like?
27:28
Speaker 1: Does literally anyone think that America passed the COVID nineteen
27:32
Speaker 1: challenge in flying colors? Are you kidding me? We get
27:36
Speaker 1: like a zero out of ten. We flunk the crap
27:39
Speaker 1: out of it. We were horrible. We were no good,
27:42
Speaker 1: very bad, freaking stinking terrible. We freaked out. We had
27:46
Speaker 1: no idea what we're doing there. The lockdowns, the ineffectual masking,
27:55
Speaker 1: the private sector of vaccine man dates, people losing their jobs,
27:58
Speaker 1: both the private and the public sector of military service members.
28:02
Speaker 1: People lose their jobs there all for what, All for
28:04
Speaker 1: a disease that had roughly the lethality rate of influenza
28:09
Speaker 1: the common flu at times assessments be actually even less
28:12
Speaker 1: lethal than that. And yet we had this massive years long,
28:16
Speaker 1: this year's long. Just just mind virus. You know, if
28:22
Speaker 1: it wasn't for Judge Myzell, the district or a judge
28:25
Speaker 1: here in Florida where I live, who ruled against the
28:29
Speaker 1: mask mandate in April twenty twenty two, think about how
28:31
Speaker 1: much longer the mighty gone in place. That really was
28:34
Speaker 1: when Judge Myzell ruled against the mass thing, that really
28:36
Speaker 1: was the beginning of the end of the COVID regime.
28:38
Speaker 1: So this has to be studied, This has to be
28:42
Speaker 1: started to figure out how America went wrong, not just
28:44
Speaker 1: public health wise, but really psychological wise. And frankly that
28:49
Speaker 1: at introspection has has not been has not been done
28:52
Speaker 1: a frontly has gone anywhere close to being done yet.
28:55
Speaker 1: I want to griefly take us back to a topic
28:56
Speaker 1: that we touched briefly on at the beginning of the show, say,
28:59
Speaker 1: which is situation in Cuba. I can't help but think
29:02
Speaker 1: a lot about Cuba, just given given the nature of
29:06
Speaker 1: the threats, giving what we're talking about here about totalitarian
29:08
Speaker 1: regimes and gasline information operations there. I also live in Florida.
29:12
Speaker 1: Just yesterday, while this is going down, my wife I
29:15
Speaker 1: noticed multiple military helicopters that seemed to be zipping by
29:20
Speaker 1: down the beach heading southwards roughly towards Cuba. I don't
29:24
Speaker 1: know that this is why they were going down there,
29:25
Speaker 1: but it's been on my mind a lot over the
29:28
Speaker 1: past twenty four hours or so. Again, we have no
29:32
Speaker 1: idea what this is. What we do know, and we've
29:34
Speaker 1: previously reported this to you, is that we do know
29:36
Speaker 1: that Marco Rubio, who is the Cuban American Secretary of
29:39
Speaker 1: State from Miami, very attuned to the situation in Cuba.
29:42
Speaker 1: He has been engaging in clandestine conversations for some months
29:46
Speaker 1: now with the grandson of Raoul Castro, the brother of
29:50
Speaker 1: Fidel Castro, who is not the quote unquote present, but
29:53
Speaker 1: it is the de facto communist leader on a Daytay
29:55
Speaker 1: basis there in Havana. Now, is this situation where for
30:00
Speaker 1: these four Americans were killed by the Cuban military. There
30:03
Speaker 1: is this going to lead to a Maduro extraction type operation.
30:07
Speaker 1: There is America try going to try to do the
30:10
Speaker 1: Bay of Pigs invasion. It's way too early to tell.
30:14
Speaker 1: It is way too early to tell because again we
30:16
Speaker 1: simply do not know any details at all. And as
30:18
Speaker 1: I said earlier, right now, what we think is that
30:21
Speaker 1: this looks most like some Cuban expats potentially from Little
30:26
Speaker 1: Havana who decided to watch the movie Rambo and decide
30:30
Speaker 1: to get some guns and bullproof vests and try to
30:33
Speaker 1: take down some commis, and that obviously had a very
30:35
Speaker 1: tragic ending. Because I think anyone could have reasonably foreseen
30:38
Speaker 1: that might not be the story, but right now that's
30:40
Speaker 1: currently our best operating assumption. So I don't think this
30:43
Speaker 1: is necessarily going to lead to a regime change operation
30:46
Speaker 1: in Cuba. What I am saying is that there is
30:49
Speaker 1: any legitimate contender for a true regime change type operation
30:54
Speaker 1: in the Western Hemisphere, or Cuba is the obvious obvious
30:57
Speaker 1: contender for them. This is an island miles off our shores.
31:01
Speaker 1: They've been a huge, huge pain in our rear ends
31:04
Speaker 1: for six and a half freaking decades.
31:06
Speaker 4: Now.
31:06
Speaker 1: They are cozy with all the worst actors in the world.
31:08
Speaker 1: They allow Chinese spying and surveillance to happen there from Cuba.
31:12
Speaker 1: They're super close with the with the Chavez Maduro comedis
31:16
Speaker 1: down in Krocas in Venezuela, with Lamar, Pune and Russia.
31:18
Speaker 1: They're all the world's worst actors. A Ron Hazbola you
31:21
Speaker 1: name it there. If it's in very neatly with Donald
31:24
Speaker 1: Trump's Monroe doctrine, which they're reasserting there, we'll see what
31:27
Speaker 1: Mark Rubio is cooking up. I have no doubt that
31:29
Speaker 1: he's cooking up something quite fine, if I had to
31:32
Speaker 1: speculate when it comes to his conversations with Roald Castro's grandson.
31:36
Speaker 1: I don't think that this will lean necessarily to anything imminsely,
31:38
Speaker 1: but certainly keep your eyes on it, that is for sure. Well,
31:41
Speaker 1: speaking of totalitarian regimes as well, it's not just the communists,
31:45
Speaker 1: of course, it's it's very much also the Islamis. We're
31:47
Speaker 1: currently tracking the talks over in Switzerland between Wikoff and
31:51
Speaker 1: Kushner and their Runnian counterparts there. We're also very closely
31:54
Speaker 1: tracking the islmust information operation currently metasticizing on the American
31:58
Speaker 1: Ryan in general. And to that end, after or a
32:00
Speaker 1: short mercier break're gon we're gonna bring on Robert Spencer,
32:02
Speaker 1: director of Jihad Watch, to talk about all of that
32:05
Speaker 1: and much more, a veritable expert on these on these topics,
32:07
Speaker 1: so folks stay with us to do a quick break.
32:08
Speaker 1: Robert Spencer on the other side, welcome back. So another
32:15
Speaker 1: great gust for you to close out our show this evening.
32:18
Speaker 1: Robert Spencer is a very wise man. He's also the
32:21
Speaker 1: director of ji Hot Watch at the David Horworitz Freedom Center.
32:24
Speaker 1: He's also it's a bit of a mouthful, he's my
32:26
Speaker 1: fellow Shilman fellow at the Freedom Center. We're I'm proud
32:29
Speaker 1: to call him my colleagues. So Robert, thanks to joining
32:31
Speaker 1: the program. We really do appreciate it. We'll get to
32:34
Speaker 1: a ron a little bit late in the conversation, time permitting,
32:37
Speaker 1: but for now, I want I wanted to lead with
32:40
Speaker 1: your expertise on the religion and piece on Islam itself
32:43
Speaker 1: and perhaps above all in this current moment, what Islam
32:48
Speaker 1: and was shril Shriel Law says, and I guess also
32:51
Speaker 1: does not say when it comes to so called infidels
32:54
Speaker 1: about Christians, Jews and others. I know you see this, Robert,
32:58
Speaker 1: what I see, which is there's been this whole in
33:00
Speaker 1: information operation to try to reinject Islam within the currents
33:04
Speaker 1: of the American right and perhaps the Western rights. You
33:06
Speaker 1: have Andrew Tate who converted to Islam. You have Tucker Carlson,
33:10
Speaker 1: who was viewing all sorts of pro Sria pro Islamic propaganda,
33:14
Speaker 1: and I want to bring you on related to set
33:16
Speaker 1: the record straight. So I'm just going to turn over
33:18
Speaker 1: to you here. Can you remind us what Islam and
33:21
Speaker 1: Shria actually says about those who do not subscribe to
33:24
Speaker 1: their own Shia supremacists, ideologies and tenets.
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Speaker 6: Absolutely, Josh, there is a mandate in Islamic law that
33:32
Speaker 6: is unique among the religions of the world to call
33:35
Speaker 6: for warfare against those who do not believe in order
33:39
Speaker 6: to subjugate them under the hegemony of this law, which
33:42
Speaker 6: is political as well as religious, and that is a
33:46
Speaker 6: core element of Islam. It's been acted upon for fourteen
33:49
Speaker 6: hundred years. It's not a twisted, hijacked version of Islam
33:53
Speaker 6: held by a tiny minority of extremists. It is taught
33:56
Speaker 6: by all the mainstream sects and schools of prudence without
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Speaker 6: any exception. And this is something that is completely obscured
34:07
Speaker 6: nowadays by these ridiculous discourses from Tucker and Candace and
34:12
Speaker 6: the like that claim that it's really all a siop
34:16
Speaker 6: by Israel and Islam is benign and Cuddley. You have
34:20
Speaker 6: to have not been paying attention to the last twenty
34:23
Speaker 6: five years with forty eight thousand Islamic jihad attacks around
34:28
Speaker 6: the world. You have to be completely ignorant of Islamic
34:32
Speaker 6: history and theology to buy that, But unfortunately there are
34:36
Speaker 6: quite a few people nowadays who do fit into those categories.
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Speaker 1: You thought, Robert Spencer on X at Jihadwatch rs Robert,
34:43
Speaker 1: I think a lot of folks hear this conversation that
34:46
Speaker 1: they say, me, I am very publicly Jewish, and they say, oh,
34:49
Speaker 1: it's really just the Jews who are raising the alarm
34:51
Speaker 1: about Islam. It's really just the Jews, whether for their
34:53
Speaker 1: own personal reasons, whether because they're they're pro Israel there,
34:57
Speaker 1: but you yourself are not. You ash shak more broadly
35:01
Speaker 1: about how this is not just about the Jews but
35:04
Speaker 1: about Christianity. I mean, I'd like to remind my audience
35:08
Speaker 1: there's this whole thing called the Crusades that happened about
35:11
Speaker 1: a thousand years ago. So maybe you can kind of
35:13
Speaker 1: walk us through briefly some of the histories of the
35:15
Speaker 1: doctrine when it comes to Islamic Christian relations in particular.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, Josh. You know, the Crusades are routinely demonized
35:23
Speaker 6: in the public discourse today. Again, this is based on
35:26
Speaker 6: historical ignorance. The reality is that the Crusades were late
35:30
Speaker 6: and small scale defensive action. After four hundred and fifty
35:34
Speaker 6: years of Islamic jihad had rolled up, conquered and islamized
35:39
Speaker 6: over half of what had been the Christian world before that.
35:42
Speaker 6: And the mandate in Islam, based on the Qur'an chapter nine,
35:46
Speaker 6: verse twenty nine, is that Muslims must wage war against
35:50
Speaker 6: the people of the book, who are primarily Jews and Christians,
35:54
Speaker 6: in order to subjugate them under the hegemony of Islamic law.
35:58
Speaker 6: So Christians have been made war against all throughout Islamic history.
36:03
Speaker 6: People don't know about the Gates of Vienna sixteen eighty three,
36:07
Speaker 6: that is the when the Siege of Vienna was broken
36:09
Speaker 6: in the Islamic advance into Eastern and Central Europe was stopped.
36:14
Speaker 6: The Battle of tour in seven point thirty two in
36:17
Speaker 6: the middle of France, where the Islamic advance into Western
36:21
Speaker 6: Europe was stopped. This was all based on the same
36:25
Speaker 6: Jiha doctrine that motivated Osama bin Laden, that motivates Hamas
36:29
Speaker 6: and that threatens us all today.
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Speaker 1: Now there's this new initiative in Congress, and you were
36:34
Speaker 1: just over there recently to testify for it. It's being
36:37
Speaker 1: launched by two very patriotic Texas Congressman, Congressman Roy and
36:41
Speaker 1: Congressman self. It's calling itself the Sharia Free America Caucus.
36:44
Speaker 1: And I believe you were there actually the inaugural hearing
36:47
Speaker 1: to testify there we were. Your big takeaways were your actions?
36:51
Speaker 1: What is this caucus? And do you feel confident that
36:54
Speaker 1: Congress has its eye on the price here when it
36:57
Speaker 1: comes to the issue of Islamism and instrues primism in America.
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Speaker 6: Well, it was refreshing to see that some Congressmen certainly do,
37:04
Speaker 6: and that number is growing. And so that's a deeply
37:07
Speaker 6: encouraging development and I hope it continues. But meanwhile, you
37:11
Speaker 6: ask the biggest takeaway that was that the Democrats are
37:14
Speaker 6: relentlessly clueless about this issue. They want to remain clueless.
37:18
Speaker 6: They are wilfully ignorant and in denial. They continued. They
37:22
Speaker 6: persistently throughout their questioning of me and others. They showed
37:27
Speaker 6: that they assumed that Sharia is just private, personal religious
37:31
Speaker 6: law that has nothing to do with non Muslims and
37:34
Speaker 6: has no political no political content, when actually sharia is political, supremacist, expansionist,
37:43
Speaker 6: aggressive and violent. But they refused, not only refused to
37:48
Speaker 6: face that fact, but they just continually waved it away
37:52
Speaker 6: as if it were racist and bigoted on its face,
37:55
Speaker 6: and refused to look at the evidence. In my statement,
37:59
Speaker 6: I gave them quotes from some of the leading Islamic
38:02
Speaker 6: authorities in the world establishing that sharia was political and
38:06
Speaker 6: a threat to non Muslims, and they just ignored it.
38:10
Speaker 1: Robert, do you think it take us back to the
38:13
Speaker 1: right side of the isle for a second here? Do
38:15
Speaker 1: you think that this whole Tucker Candice attempt to inject
38:19
Speaker 1: a lot of anti Western thought and at times pro
38:21
Speaker 1: Islamic thoughts, the attempt to inject this into the mainstream
38:24
Speaker 1: of the American rights from your vantage point, especially being
38:27
Speaker 1: there in Capitol testifying, there is this getting any purchase,
38:30
Speaker 1: any cachet among the elected Republican official class. Theory, is
38:33
Speaker 1: this making any inroads in the lives of those who candidly,
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Speaker 1: frankly actually really matter when it comes to these topics, well, the.
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Speaker 6: People who are running the Sharia Caucus and the people
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Speaker 6: who are part of it. Obviously, it's not making any
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Speaker 6: inroads among them, and that's good to see, but there
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Speaker 6: have been people that it's picked off. Of course, we
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Speaker 6: know Matt Gates and Marjorie Taylor green fell victim to
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Speaker 6: these deceptions or who knows what motivated them, but in
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Speaker 6: any case they are now fronting for these lies. And
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Speaker 6: there are others on the right in Congress, like Thomas
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Speaker 6: Massey who seemed to be exponents of them. Massy is
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Speaker 6: actually on the House subcommittee before which I testified, but
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Speaker 6: notably he was not present at this Sharia hearing.
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Speaker 1: Well, fair enough and good information there. Rob s Beets
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Speaker 1: again is the didressor of jihadwash. He's also my fellow
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Speaker 1: Shilman fellow, my colleague of the David Horwitz Freedom Center, Robert,
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Speaker 1: I want to turn our attention now also briefly overseas.
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Speaker 1: So earlier today on Thursday, was just the latest indirect
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Speaker 1: meeting between the United States represented by Steve Wikoff and
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Speaker 1: Jared Kushner and their Iranian counterparties. Oman continues to be
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Speaker 1: the mediating party here for one reason or another. The
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Speaker 1: big question, Robert, for a month and a half now,
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Speaker 1: really big question, kind of hovering the background, has been
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Speaker 1: will he or won't he When it comes to President
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Speaker 1: Trump here, how do you see this playing out? And
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Speaker 1: perhaps even more to the point, what actually should happen here?
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Speaker 1: What should the President I States actually do in this
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Speaker 1: particular situation.
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Speaker 6: Well, if I were the president, if I'm elected in
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Speaker 6: twenty twenty eight, then I will immediately make it clear
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Speaker 6: that the Iranian regime has to abide by the various
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Speaker 6: restrictions that have already been enunciated, and that Trump is
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Speaker 6: standing for now, and that the alternative will be the
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Speaker 6: demise of the Islamic regime in Iran, which is unfortunately
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Speaker 6: not on the table in these negotiations, where they are
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Speaker 6: just leaving the Iranian people hanging out to dry, and
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Speaker 6: so that's unfortunate. But what I think will happen is,
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Speaker 6: unfortunately that the Iranian regime will stay in place and
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Speaker 6: there will be no attack. I hope I'm wrong on this,
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Speaker 6: but Witkoff recently said, why aren't the Iranians backing down?
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Speaker 6: The President doesn't understand why they haven't capitulated. Well, that
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Speaker 6: betrays a lack of understanding regarding the motivating ideology that
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Speaker 6: animates that they're not going to stand down. They're not
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Speaker 6: going to surrender. They're not going to give an inch
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Speaker 6: because they believe that they are acting upon divine commands.
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Speaker 6: And you don't negotiate away the Ten Commandments, you don't
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Speaker 6: negotiate away the divine commands that Iran thinks it has
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Speaker 6: and thinks it's acts standing upon. And so they are
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Speaker 6: going to keep trying to destroy Israel and America for
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Speaker 6: that matter, And this negotiation, the whole business is just
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Speaker 6: a delaying tactic.
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Speaker 1: It certainly is. And that's very much how we see
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Speaker 1: it here in the show too. I really hope you're wrong.
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Speaker 1: Quote it's worth when it comes to no action, frankly,
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Speaker 1: not just the United States, also for President Trump his
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Speaker 1: own personal credibility as manner in chief, who I think
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Speaker 1: would disastrously plummet if there reads no action after all
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Speaker 1: this build up, after all this bluster, after all this
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Speaker 1: braggadocio and so forth. There anyway, folks, you see rober
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Speaker 1: Spencer a very very smart man. Follow him on x
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Speaker 1: at g Hodwatch RS. He's the director of g Hotwatch
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Speaker 1: at the David horce Froom Center. Robert, you're a beav
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Speaker 1: of knowledge. We appreciate you joining the show today.
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Speaker 6: Thank you so much, thank you, joh