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Debbie Lerman on the Bioweapons Psyop | Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: My name is Jim. This is Germ Warfare, The Battle
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  Speaker 1: of Ideas. Debbie Lehmann, thank you for joining me in
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  Speaker 1: the Drenchers.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 1: I always get uncomfortable with those intros because we were
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  Speaker 1: talking now just before I hit record, and it always
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  Speaker 1: feels so artificial and forced.
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  Speaker 2: Contrived, contract contract.
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  Speaker 1: But that's okay, yeah, because I mean, obviously, when someone's
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  Speaker 1: listening to they don't know that we were chatting before
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  Speaker 1: I hit the record button, exactly exactly. But I love
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  Speaker 1: our story, by the way, I just want to repeat
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  Speaker 1: it again because it's for me. It's so special. When
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  Speaker 1: I contacted you, when was it like twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 1: I think for the first time we chatted their abouts
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  Speaker 1: and you didn't want to come onto our show at
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  Speaker 1: that stage, I was on TNT, and I don't think
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  Speaker 1: if I remember correcting, you didn't want to come on
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  Speaker 1: and all that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, well it was in twenty twenty two. I had
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  Speaker 2: just started actually seriously researching COVID, and I found crazy
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  Speaker 2: things that, in my experience of the world, just blew
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  Speaker 2: up everything that I had ever known or thought about. Right,
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  Speaker 2: because I was the opposite of a conspiracy theorist, and
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  Speaker 2: I was also like a lefty blah blah blah. And
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  Speaker 2: I was still in that mindset where every time somebody
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  Speaker 2: asked me to go on a show or to have
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  Speaker 2: an interview, I would like look at their background and
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  Speaker 2: I would see, are they conspiracy theorists? Am I gonna
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  Speaker 2: you know? Is it reliable? Am I going to be
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  Speaker 2: putting my reputation at risk by going on this show?
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  Speaker 2: You know? And so at the time, I was so
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  Speaker 2: I didn't understand anything, you know, because I was just
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  Speaker 2: starting down all the rabbit holes. So you're right, I
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  Speaker 2: mean the path has I wish we should someday bring
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  Speaker 2: up those emails. I'm sure I have them.
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  Speaker 1: I still give them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Where I say, well, I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to discuss this, and I don't want to discuss.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to venture down
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  Speaker 1: this story. Let's just stick to this particular talking point.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, And now I'm at a point where I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: anything you.
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  Speaker 1: Want to discuss is fine with I had a guest
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  Speaker 1: on about a year ago.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: I think Jessica Hockett was a great, great episode, and
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  Speaker 1: I've quoted her so many times because she basically, it
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  Speaker 1: put to miss what you just said. She said. I
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  Speaker 1: started out researching the hospital Daughta in New York, and
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  Speaker 1: I ended up questioning with or not we landed on
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  Speaker 1: the moon.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, I'm right there with her. I mean, I know
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  Speaker 2: I know Jessica, not personally, but I know her work,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm right there with the moon. I'm right there.
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  Speaker 2: I'm people. I now ask people after I tell them
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  Speaker 2: about my COVID work and all of that, I say,
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  Speaker 2: and by the way, what do you think about the moon?
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  Speaker 2: And they say no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: don't go there.
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  Speaker 1: But in all seriousness, Debbie, the reason why I found
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  Speaker 1: you in What's a Knock? Four years ago?
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  Speaker 2: Now?
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  Speaker 1: Almost sure? Can you believe it?
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  Speaker 2: Eh?
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  Speaker 1: Four years ago now? You were one of the first,
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  Speaker 1: if not actually the first, if I remember correctly, who
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  Speaker 1: at that stage was talking about the military aspect, the
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  Speaker 1: Department of Defense involvement in the COVID era. And I
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  Speaker 1: think soon after that I came across the work of
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  Speaker 1: Sasha at Topovi and I know, I know that you
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  Speaker 1: know her. And so few people actually comment on that.
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  Speaker 1: They'd still seem to, I don't know, they seem to.
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  Speaker 1: It's a blind spot. They seem to not notice the
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  Speaker 1: obvious military operation that the whole thing was.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, that's absolutely correct. Yeah, I think it was
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  Speaker 2: the first person to I certainly was the first prin
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  Speaker 2: to report on the fact that the United States response
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  Speaker 2: to COVID was actually led by the National Security Council
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  Speaker 2: and the Department of Defense and not the you know,
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  Speaker 2: public health agencies. And then Sasha also picked it up.
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  Speaker 2: Sasha was looking at the contracts for the vaccines and
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  Speaker 2: she noticed that everything about the vaccine operation was a
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  Speaker 2: military operation. Uh. And then we also looked into the
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  Speaker 2: laws that governed the whole thing, and they were all
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  Speaker 2: laws that are suppose is to only apply to you know,
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  Speaker 2: weapons of math destruction threats. And so yeah, it's very
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  Speaker 2: strange that people don't want to go there. I don't understand.
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  Speaker 1: I lost friends as a results of interviewing you and Sasha.
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  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry they weren't friends in that case.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, what is it about what we're saying? Why
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  Speaker 2: would you lose friends? Like they thought that we were lying,
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  Speaker 2: or they thought that we were they didn't like it.
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  Speaker 1: No, No, what no they thinking is that you are
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  Speaker 1: deflecting from Fauci and Bill Gates and the real the
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  Speaker 1: real baddies.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you've written on Fauci, and it's obvious that Fauci
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  Speaker 1: is a bad guy, but he wasn't radio that important.
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  Speaker 2: He's a bad guy and Gates is a horrible guy.
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  Speaker 2: They're they're evil people. But it's I think that's interesting
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  Speaker 2: because that's kind of the opposite of reality, which is, yes,
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  Speaker 2: they Well, Gates is definitely like a major major player
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  Speaker 2: in the global public private partnership cabal along with the
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  Speaker 2: military and intelligence. I mean, he's very closely affiliated with them,
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  Speaker 2: and so is Fauci. But going after Fauci is a
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  Speaker 2: complete distraction because we have lists of people. Sasha and
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  Speaker 2: I we wrote this whole thing, I think I talked
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  Speaker 2: to you about it, the COVID dossier, where we actually
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  Speaker 2: listed all the agencies and all the people who were
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  Speaker 2: involved in not all the people, a few of the
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  Speaker 2: top people who were involved in every country that we
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  Speaker 2: could possibly find, which are many, many countries all around
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  Speaker 2: the world. Definitely all the Five Eyes countries and the
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  Speaker 2: EUROPEA and NATO countries. NATO is heavily involved. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you can talk about Fauci, but you're completely missing the
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  Speaker 2: entire point of it, and the point of it is
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  Speaker 2: that the global techno fascist control grid all of a
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  Speaker 2: sudden revealed itself during COVID, and the global techno fascist
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  Speaker 2: control grid, Yes, it incorporates Fauci and Bill Gates, but
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  Speaker 2: it is so much bigger and so much scarier than that,
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  Speaker 2: and right now and then when Trump was elected, it
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  Speaker 2: just continued a pace and everybody just just all of
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  Speaker 2: a sudden decided, Nope, that's it because it was Fauci.
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  Speaker 2: And if it was Fauci and now we don't have Fauci,
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  Speaker 2: or it was Biden and it was the Biden administration.
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  Speaker 2: You know, anytime anybody says something was the Biden administration,
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  Speaker 2: you know that that's not true because there's no such
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  Speaker 2: the Biden administration. First of all, there's no such thing
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  Speaker 2: as Biden really, but also there's also no such thing
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  Speaker 2: as the Biden administration. It's the global techno fascist cabal
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  Speaker 2: was running the first Drum administration, the so called Biden administration,
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  Speaker 2: the Second Drum administration. There's no difference at all. Well,
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  Speaker 2: in fact, it's been massively accelerated under the second Trump
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  Speaker 2: administration because all these people who said that they understood
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  Speaker 2: what was going on during COVID absolutely didn't understand anything,
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  Speaker 2: and they thought it was Fauci. And so that's why
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  Speaker 2: it's so important not to talk just about Fauci.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, I doesn't know Creedy. Go back to your body coming.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think he actually exists?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, I do. When I say there was no
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  Speaker 2: such sorry, I didn't mean he didn't exist. I meant
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  Speaker 2: he didn't exist as a competent acting.
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  Speaker 1: President, right, No, because you know the whole theory about
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  Speaker 1: the the the what you called it like old of
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  Speaker 1: doubles sometimes.
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  Speaker 2: I do it is I don't. I don't. I've looked
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  Speaker 2: into it. I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I disagree with that, Okay, okay, I thought you would
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  Speaker 1: need to that. That's why I loft no.
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  Speaker 2: No, no. I was more alluding to the fact that
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  Speaker 2: when people say the Biden administration, what they mean is
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  Speaker 2: just whoever was running the government when Biden was supposed president,
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  Speaker 2: But it wasn't that he was competent or able to
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  Speaker 2: do any of the jobs that the president.
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  Speaker 1: Is supposed to the other issue with talking about the military,
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  Speaker 1: why many people don't want you to talk about it
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  Speaker 1: is because it actually implicates people like Trump.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly. In fact, I wrote an article not
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  Speaker 2: so long ago called cheering the militarization of Everything. Interestingly,
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  Speaker 2: it was about a month before the Iran War broke out,
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  Speaker 2: so and everybody was yelling and screaming, you know, how
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  Speaker 2: can you say these you know, Trump, Trump, Trump, and
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  Speaker 2: he's our savior and Musk is our savior and these
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  Speaker 2: people are saviors, which to me is it's hard for
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  Speaker 2: me to understand how people could have gone through COVID
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  Speaker 2: understood or said they understood what was happening and then
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  Speaker 2: just completely turned their brains off and just gone right
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  Speaker 2: into the propaganda again. So they're right into the propaganda
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  Speaker 2: vortex with Trump and stuff like that. So when Trump,
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  Speaker 2: on the first day that he was in office, declared
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  Speaker 2: more states of emergency than any president ever in the
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  Speaker 2: history of the United States, one of them being an
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  Speaker 2: emergency state of emergency for energy, all the which they
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  Speaker 2: need for their AI data centers. And he said that
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  Speaker 2: he did it so in order to bypass regulations and
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  Speaker 2: bypass the Constitution and bypass everybody's legal rights. He said
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  Speaker 2: it at Davos, and so, okay, that's exactly what they
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  Speaker 2: did during COVID. They just declared states of emergency so
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  Speaker 2: that they could bypass the Constitution and every country's legal
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  Speaker 2: protections and civil protections. And when we talk about the military,
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  Speaker 2: when I talk about military and intelligence involvement in COVID,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying they're the ones who are in charge.
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying they're the ones who ran it through their agencies.
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  Speaker 2: But the global public private partnership that ran COVID is
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  Speaker 2: mostly the It is mostly consistent of the pharmaceutical companies
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  Speaker 2: and all of their subsidiaries and contractors. Thousands and thousands
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  Speaker 2: and hundreds of thousands of people all over the world
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  Speaker 2: are part of that, not all knowingly, of course, but
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  Speaker 2: they all of their interests are incorporated into the interests
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  Speaker 2: of the cabal. And then the military industrial complex, which
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  Speaker 2: is enormous. It's enormous. It's not the CIA, it's the
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  Speaker 2: entire NATO alliance that is an enormous military intelligence alliance
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  Speaker 2: that encompasses again thousands and thousands of people and agencies
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  Speaker 2: and public private partnerships, So it's huge. So when we
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  Speaker 2: say the military and the intelligence agencies ran COVID, what
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  Speaker 2: we're saying is it wasn't a public health event. That's
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  Speaker 2: what we're saying. We're not saying, oh, the CIA, you
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  Speaker 2: sat down with six and the MOSAD and they said, oh,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to do COVID. No, not at all. We're
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  Speaker 2: saying all of the farm, the entire pharmaceutical military industrial complex,
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  Speaker 2: which is bio warfare, biodefense. That's where all the money is,
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  Speaker 2: and that's where all of the vaccine activity actually happens.
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  Speaker 2: It happens in the biodefense space, not in the public
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  Speaker 2: health space. And so what we were trying and are
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  Speaker 2: still trying to get people to understand is if it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't a public health event, then we don't have to
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  Speaker 2: talk about masks in public distancing and botched the CDC.
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  Speaker 2: We don't have to I mean, reform the CDC. We
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  Speaker 2: could reform the CDC. We could cancel the CDC, we
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  Speaker 2: could cancel NIA, we can cancel all kinds of agencies.
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  Speaker 2: That has nothing to do with what happened during COVID.
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  Speaker 2: It's a giant, giant, global consortium of interests that came
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  Speaker 2: together and they all had a reason why they wanted
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  Speaker 2: to have a pandemic or what they called a pandemic.
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  Speaker 2: They wanted people to believe that there was a public
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  Speaker 2: health emergency so that they could actually go in and
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  Speaker 2: do all kinds of surveillance, propaganda, censorship, control, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and then also make tons of money while they were
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  Speaker 2: doing it. So all of those.
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  Speaker 1: Things, but all of those Babie, there was obviously a pandemic.
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  Speaker 1: They were billboards that said so, oh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, of course yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And the announcement, and they announcement was in the airports.
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  Speaker 2: It must be true. So my whole point about that,
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  Speaker 2: and why I wanted to talk why I wrote that
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  Speaker 2: article about bioweapons or the new Boogeyman that's my recent article,
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  Speaker 2: is that it doesn't matter if there was a virus,
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  Speaker 2: if it was a natural virus, if it was a bioweapon,
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  Speaker 2: if it leaked, if it was intentionally leaked, none of
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  Speaker 2: that matters, because the virus didn't kill the world. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: it killed very few.
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  Speaker 1: People, if any believe that it killed.
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  Speaker 2: If you believe that it killed anyone, Okay, I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to I leave that open. I leave that question open
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  Speaker 2: because I don't have enough information. The information that I
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  Speaker 2: have that I am absolutely certain about is that whatever
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  Speaker 2: it was didn't kill a lot of people. What killed
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people was the lockdown until vaccine response.
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  Speaker 2: That's what killed a lot of people. So instead of
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  Speaker 2: looking into the origin of the virus, instead of looking
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  Speaker 2: into gain of function research, we're going to ban gain
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  Speaker 2: of function research. That's going to solve all our problems
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  Speaker 2: if we ban gain of function research. First of all,
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  Speaker 2: gain of function research is a military intelligence thing, so
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  Speaker 2: you can you know, people like to talk about Fauci
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  Speaker 2: funded it. No, Fauci didn't fund it. The CIA funded it.
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  Speaker 2: The military funded it. So yeah, you can go in
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  Speaker 2: and try to cut those budgets, but good luck with that. Also,
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  Speaker 2: that has nothing to do with it, because whatever it
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  Speaker 2: was or wasn't, they were all set with the lockdown
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  Speaker 2: until vaccine response, and they were going to do that
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  Speaker 2: response no matter what, no matter what it was, and
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  Speaker 2: that response had already been set up. It was all
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  Speaker 2: ready to go. They had gained it many times. You
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  Speaker 2: needed a huge propaganda and censorship operation had to have
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  Speaker 2: been set up beforehand in order for that thing to
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  Speaker 2: work right, in order to convince everybody that it was
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  Speaker 2: a deadly pandemic despite their eyes, you know, perhaps telling
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  Speaker 2: them otherwise, or their experience in order to convince them
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  Speaker 2: that the vaccines were safe and effective. I mean, they
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  Speaker 2: had to have that all set up ahead of time.
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  Speaker 2: It was global, it was huge, right, and so we
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  Speaker 2: need to look at that global network that did that,
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  Speaker 2: that did the lockdown until vaccine response. You can talk
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  Speaker 2: about the bio weapons, you can talk about the biolabs,
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  Speaker 2: blah blah.
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  Speaker 1: Block distraction, and it's a distraction.
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  Speaker 2: It's a distraction and right now they're using it as
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  Speaker 2: a distraction again. So interestingly, ever since Trump took office
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  Speaker 2: and RFK was supposed to be our savior and whatever,
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  Speaker 2: and all the people who knew what the lockdown until
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  Speaker 2: vaccine response was bad and that the military intelligence were
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  Speaker 2: involved and the global cabala and all of that. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if they understood everything, but they wanted, first
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  Speaker 2: of all, first and foremost, let's stop the injuries and
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  Speaker 2: deaths from mRNA products. Okay, first and foremost, that's an
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  Speaker 2: acute emergency. It's an acute emergency situation that started in
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty one and it hasn't ended because they're still
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  Speaker 2: researching them, administering them, and kind of like trying to
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  Speaker 2: talk people into getting them. So the first thing that
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  Speaker 2: people wanted was for that to end. But what happened
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  Speaker 2: was everybody got turned around into this Trump maga maha,
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  Speaker 2: you know, propaganda machine. And so instead of talking about COVID,
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  Speaker 2: now we have to talk about you know, the pandemic
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  Speaker 2: of the chronic disease blah blah blah that's been going
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  Speaker 2: on for many, many years. And they use that chronic
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  Speaker 2: disease paradigm to say, and it was very obvious that
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  Speaker 2: they were doing this right up to the election and
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  Speaker 2: through the election and after the election, to say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: the incidents of heart disease, cancer, autoimmune disease, all the
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  Speaker 2: things that the that the mRNA shots cause, right, all
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  Speaker 2: of the things heart disease, cancer, autommune disease, all those
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  Speaker 2: things birth, you know, fertility, right, that's been happening for decades,
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  Speaker 2: for decades. So okay, and so what we need to
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  Speaker 2: do is we need to look at all the factors.
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  Speaker 2: We need to look at the glyph estates, and we
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: need to look at the red food dye, and we
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: need to look at you know, every at the microplastics,
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  Speaker 2: and we need to look at you know, Okay, those
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  Speaker 2: are all interesting topics that have been going on for decades,
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  Speaker 2: it's true, but those things have also been an issue
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  Speaker 2: for decades. They don't look at the insane spike, you know.
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  Speaker 2: So let's say we started nineteen seventy and we see
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  Speaker 2: like a curve going up, you know, of all of
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  Speaker 2: these conditions. If you look at twenty twenty one, all
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  Speaker 2: of a sudden, you see everything jump a huge giant
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  Speaker 2: spike in all of those conditions, plus deaths of course
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  Speaker 2: between twenty twenty one and now. They don't want to
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  Speaker 2: look at that because they don't want to look at
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  Speaker 2: what happened in twenty twenty one. They want to look
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  Speaker 2: at what's been happening for the past fifty years. Now
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  Speaker 2: it's getting a little bit old. People are getting a
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  Speaker 2: little tired of that, and they're getting tired of RFK
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  Speaker 2: Junior not doing anything that we wanted him to do
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  Speaker 2: about COVID, and so now they have to And now
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  Speaker 2: the elections, the midterm elections are coming up, and for
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  Speaker 2: some reason, people are interested in that and they care
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  Speaker 2: about whether Trump is going to lose and da da
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  Speaker 2: da da are the Republicans, and so they need to
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  Speaker 2: get manga Maha people, you know, especially disaffected Maha people
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  Speaker 2: who are very disappointed. They need to get them back
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  Speaker 2: the train. And what they're doing now is they're saying, oh,
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  Speaker 2: my god, actually, it's not just natural causes or environmental
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  Speaker 2: causes for all of these weird diseases and all of
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  Speaker 2: this chronic disease epidemic that's been going on for fifty years. No, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: it's bioweapons. It's bioweapons. It's ticks, it's lime disease from
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: bioengineered ticks. It's alpha gal from ticks, it's you know,
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: engineered ai engineered mosquitoes, it's it's hanta and ebola and
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: all of these things that are actually bioweapons. So now
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: we have to be really scared about bioweapons and now,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: and this is a very clever thing that they're doing,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: because people who think they know what happened, they think
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: that COVID was a bioweapon and that that's really important
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: and that's what we should be looking at. Oh, yeah,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: COVID was a bioweapon, and all these other things are bioweapons.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: And so actually that feeds right into all the interests
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: of the cabal of the global public private partnership between
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: the pharmaceutical companies and the military and the intelligence, because
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: that's what they do. They study bioweapons and then they
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: pretend or say that they have safe and effective countermeasures.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: And so actually what's happening is they're playing into the
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: idea that we need to bypass all the laws and
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: regulations that govern the manufacturing and the distribution and all
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: of that of pharmaceutical products because everything is a bioweapon.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: If everything is a bioweapon, you know, Emergency Use Authorization
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: and the Prepact and all those legal abominations that they
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: use during COVID And by the way, Robert Malone called
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: the PREP back an abomination on his sub stack, so
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: now we can all agree it is an abomination, and
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: using it for the hantavirus is also an abomination, even
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: if you think the hunt of virus is a bioweapon.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: But that's what they're doing. So now they're using bioweapons
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: to justify the exact same thing that they were doing before,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: and people are going to are buying into it again
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: because they find whatever it is that you're afraid of,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: and that's what they use to get to you on
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: board with their with their plan.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: What exactly is a bioweapon?
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Right, So that's a good question. So the definition of bioweapon,
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: which is defined by you know, the UAN and you
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: know all of the global organizations that had treaties right
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: against them, right because we weren't supposed to use them.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: The definition is it is a biological organism or a
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: product produced biological by a biological organism that is used
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: to harm or kill people. That's it. It's not the vaccines.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: The vaccines are not a bioweapon. I hate it when
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: people use that word for the vaccines. That you can
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: call them a chemical weapon. You can call them a
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: biochemical weapon because they're made in a lab. You can
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: call them, you know, an AI generated chemical bioweapon if
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: you want, not bio chemical weapon. But a bioweapon, by definition,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: is a biological entity. So it has to be a
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: pathogen or a poison, which is which is not a vaccine.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: So it's just a misnomer that I don't like because
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: it confuses people because then when I talk about how,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: you know, the bioweapons are being used to scare people,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: then they say, wait a minute, but the vaccines are
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: bioweapons and you're against the vaccines, And I say, yeah,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: the vaccines are terrible. They're not a bioweapon. If they
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: think it's a weapon that was intentionally used to kill people,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: that's fine. I don't even say that. I just say
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: that they are a harmful, unregulated military countermeasure, because that's
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: by definition and legal definition, what they are. It's an
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: unregulated military countermeasure. It's not a pharmaceutical product. It's not
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: a vaccine. You know, there's no nothing that's it's not
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: safe and it's not effective, you know, So calling it
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: a bioweapon, I think confuses people because bioweapons are things
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: that they believe they can take biological organisms like what
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: they call viruses and bacteria and things like that, and
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: funguses and you know, all kinds of poisons and materials
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: that you can get in nature, and they can manipulate them.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: They can genetically alter them. They can make them more virulent,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: which means that they're more dangerous, they can kill you,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: or they can make them more transmissible. And then they
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: have a myth that they can make them more virulent
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: and more transmissible, which is absolutely completely not possible even
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: if there were such a thing as you know, lab
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: manipulated organisms. And we can argue about whether there is
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: such a thing as a lab manipulated organism. It doesn't
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: really matter because all the money and all of the
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: effort is put into that. So there are hundreds of
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: the top academic institutions in the world, and all of
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: them are funded by the biodefense industrial complex. So they're
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: going to study how to manipulate viruses and bacteria, whether
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: or not that's possible, whether or not that's even a
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: viable thing, because that's what they're getting the money for.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: And the reason we know this historically, I was just
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: reading about cancer causing viruses. So when they first started
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: with virology, I'm doing a lot of research on polio now,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: and they started to hype up this idea of cancer
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: causing viruses, and they decided that there was such a thing.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: So they made the decision and the assumption that there
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: were viruses that caused cancer, and then they gave. And
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: then they chose like eighty institution or more around the
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: country and gave. And when I say they, I mean
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: private institutions like the Rockefeller Foundation and government agencies who
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: are public private partnerships working together, and drug companies and
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: they decided that that's that's it. That's how we're going
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: to solve cancer, and so all of the institutions started
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: studying how to make vaccines against cancer causing viruses, even
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: though all the scientists were like, what are we doing, Like,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: we don't even know what we're talking about. We don't
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: know what these viruses are. We don't think we can
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: make vaccines against them. We have no idea what's going on.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: This is bad science, but we're doing it because that's
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: what they're paying us to do. And so that's the
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: same thing with the bioweapons of today, and most of
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: that industry also has to do with vaccines. So vaccines
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: are at the bottom of everything, and.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: It's yeah, and reflects from is the real enemy, which
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: is fear.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, because we're not afraid of COVID anymore.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: We're not afraid of these you know. I mean, yeah,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: I guess some people are afraid of the microplastics and
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: you know, electromagnetic radiation and chemtrails and all of that stuff.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: But those things aren't going to make people agree to
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: do things like lockdown or take treatments that are against
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: their best interests, or allow suspension of the constitution or
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: suspension of legal rights and protections. So there's constantly a
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: search for something that's going to make people so scared
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: that they do agree to suspend their rights. That's how
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: they do it. So bioweapons are now the new fear
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: generating thing, and it's working in the sense that all
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: I see everywhere on alternative media are all kinds of
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: things like alpha gal. You know, my AO engineer ticks,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: And interestingly, people say things and I just can't believe
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: they're saying it with a straight face. So they say
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: things like the incidence of alpha gal, which is an
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: allergy that makes you unable to eat red and meat
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: and can supposedly kill you instantly if you have it bad.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: They say, the incidence of this has risen by one
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: thousand million percent between twenty twenty one and twenty twenty five.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Anything that has risen by a million percent between twenty
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: twenty one and twenty twenty five is almost certainly caused
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: by the one thing that was introduced in twenty twenty
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: one to billions of people between then and now. It's
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: probably caused by that. So if you're saying the incidents
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: of alpha gel increased by a million percent between those years,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: first look at at the probable cause. The proximal probable
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: cause of it and then start talking to me about
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: engineer tics. But they're using the engineer tics to deflect
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: again again, to deflect, just like they use the chronic
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: disease epidemic, just like they use all those other environmental
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: toxins to deflect. Now they're using bioweapons to deflect. It's
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: it's it's interesting, it's very clever what they're doing.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Yes, now that you mentioned that you'll bang on because
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: fear that is the threat UFO disclosure, for example, and
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: you have no idea how to respond to that. So
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: it's about fear, and you will willingly give up all
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: of your sovereignty to the state who will hopefully protect
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: you from an alien invasion.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: That's another one that they love. So they're really bringing
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: that out. They're actually pulling out all their canons right now.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: It's interesting. I mean, I think it's I sense a
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: little desperation behind it. But yeah, the whole UFO thing,
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: which I am I find completely and utterly absurd, that
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: is another fear porn thing that they like to take
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: out when they need to get people in the conspiracy
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: world on board. So they need to get us on
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: board with oh, you know, they're hiding something from us
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: and this is real and what are we going to
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: do about it? And it's the same it's the same
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: as as the bioweapons. It's the same thing. Anything that
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: is reported that makes one makes one fearful without putting
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: it in context. So people say like, well, you're making
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: people afraid of the prep BacT, because I say, the
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: prep BacT is an abomination, right, It's a law that
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: is on constitutional. It violates everybody's rights. And so when
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: I talk about violating people's rights, I'm giving people information
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: that they can use, and I'm giving them knowledge that
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: is actually that they can use to protect themselves. When
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: I say, oh my god, there's these ticks and they're
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: going to give you the syndrome and you're going to
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: die if you eat red meat, I'm not giving you
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: any information that you can use at all. I'm telling
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: you to be really scared anytime you go outside and
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: anytime you see a tick, and anytime you eat red meat.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: And I'm not giving you any kind of information that
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: you can use to protect yourself. I'm actually making you
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: afraid and making you want somebody to come and protect you.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: If you're getting information that makes you want somebody else
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: to come and protect you from it. That's probably propaganda.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: What do you fear.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: I fear the technocratic, you know, techno fascist, global cabal.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: I do fear them. I fear the system in the
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: sense that I don't think enough people understand the system,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: and I think if we did, everybody, it's not hard
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: to resist it because we all of us just have
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: to not cooperate. But the propaganda. I fear the most
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: of all the propaganda because when I realized during COVID
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: how incredibly powerful it is and how it can actually
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: turn people into cult members, which means that you can't
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: really get them out. You can't get them out like
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: we're living. I'm living in a parallel universe right now
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: with many of my friends in relative it's just a
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: parallel universe, you know, and there's no I'm looking desperately
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: for ways to bridge, and we're back to being able
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: to talk about things, but not about the things that matter.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: And so I'm afraid of the propaganda because I don't
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: know how to it in people who are sucked into it,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: and I also have to constantly monitor myself. I mean,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: we're all vulnerable to it. And so and the way
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: that I that I kind of lessen my fear, the
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: way that I confront my fear is that I know
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: that the plans that they have in mind are probably
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: not doable. So, you know, controlling the whole world, surveilling
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: the whole world, propagandizing the whole world using AI or
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: whatever that you can't do that they're going to try,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: and it's going to be you know, bad things are
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: going to happen, but it's kind of like every other
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: attempt that has been made in history by very powerful
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: people who think that they can control the world. And
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: so that's how I confront the fear by thinking historically,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: thinking sort of on a larger scale, and knowing that
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: that's not possible. But my fear is mostly of how
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: the propaganda controls the people who are supposed to be
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: on my side. And it like so during COVID, you know,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: I experienced friends and family who I don't know, if
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: push came to shove, if they would be okay with
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: me being in a you know, in an quarantine camp,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: you know, or if me being forced, forced vaccinated or something,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: you know. So, so people who are supposed to be
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: on my side, the propaganda can really really turn that around.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: And then the people were supposed to be on my side,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: you know, after COVID and who are now completely propagandized
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: again into the whole Trump Maha thing. That scared me
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: even more actually, because that showed me that people who
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: thought that they were smart and knew what was going
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: on could actually get propagandized again. Uh, and they got
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: propaganda's to the point of excommunicating people like me. So
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: I am black pilled, I am you know, dooms Day
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: or whatever, you know, and I you know, they all
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: they asked me like, well, what's the solution. What's the solution?
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: You're just telling us there's problems, and we can't live
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: like that. We need to believe that there's somebody that
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: we can vote for, you know, or that there's some
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: way that we can reform the system or work within
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: the system. And what I tell them is that that
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: is and I'm a nihilist, right because I say, no,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: you can't do that. There's no hope in the system
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: at all. And they say, well, you're a nihilist, And
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: I actually think it's it's nihilistic to be in a
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: system that, you know, to be completely corrupt. Everybody knows it.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Even those people who are calling me a nihilist, they
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: know that. You know, it's a uniparty and they have
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: to vote for the lesser of two evils or something.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: That's nihilistic. That's that's accepting that there's nothing you can
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: do and just going along with it. I think the
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: opposite of nihilism is saying, wait a minute, stop stop complying.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Stop been giving your energy, your money, your time, your
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: attention to the system, and let's all get out of it.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: If we were all out of it right now, like
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: all the COVID people and all the people who understood
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: what was going on, they wouldn't be able to do
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: any of the things that they're doing right now with
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: the AI, with the wars with Trump, because there would
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: be so many more people who are outside of the
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: system opposing it. But because they're all nihilistic and they
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: just say like, oh well, we just have to keep
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: working in the system, and we have to keep finding
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: you know, third party candidates or whatever, you know. I
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: feel like that's the less hopeful path. So we know
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: what this is, I mean, we know what the right
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: path is, I think, but I think that the system
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: is just really good at keeping people inside of it.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, of course, it's the attention economy. If you
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: keep people on this cell phone, scroll through reels or whatever.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Then I spoke about this on another episode. You keep
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: people away from boredom, and you keep them distracted. What
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: you do want is boredom because it allows people the
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: space to think critically. If you're constantly bombarding them with
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: stuff the whole time that's irrelevant. They will never question
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: what actually happened in twenty twenty, right.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: And so yeah, I mean I'm not on social media
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: for that reason. I don't do social media. The only
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: thing I do is write on substack, and even the
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: notes on substack, which they've really gotten really bad, can
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: suck me in. You know, I can see how people
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: scroll through things and how social media works. Even though
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: that's the only one that I do. It's really bad.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: And so I always tell people just get first of all,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: get off of social media, find the information sources that
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: you trust, and you have to cobble it together. People say, well,
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: what should where? What should I? You know, you don't
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: like The New York Times, you don't like Fox News,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: you don't like you know, either you know the right
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: or left media. What do you what do you suggest?
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: And I say, there's nothing. You have to go find
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: like individual people and individual sources that you trust on
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: different topics. And it's hard. It's hard. It's not easy.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: It's like you have to do research. It's like you
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: have to actually, like you said, you have to actually
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: think about it, and you have to actually find the
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: ones that you that you think are reliable and don't
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: spend too much time on it. Just don't spend too
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: much time on it.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't quote it social media. I would calle it
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: anti social media because you're just stuck looking at your device.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: That's good. It is antisocial, that's absolutely that's absolutely true.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: And the way that they spread fear and is through
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: social media. That's how they do it. And so everything
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: that they were able to do during COVID was thanks
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: to social media. Do you or anti social media?
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Do you find that when you talk about this stuff,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: the people are now tied, They go, it's gone, now,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: it's behind us, you know, they don't want to think
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: about it anymore. And the actual fact what's really for me,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: what's quite scary is how many people I engage with
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: who have almost forgotten all just the whole thing.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Who what, who have what?
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: They've just forgotten. It's like it's a distant memory. Now
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: let's move on. But you can't move on because it's
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: a placeholder. It's a it's an incredibly it's an incredibly
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: important event that that's accelerating other events.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. And the really so that's the scary thing
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: about the propaganda is that people who they list the
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: things that the deep state and the deep state is,
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: the global public private partnership between the corporations and the
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: military industrial complex and Silicon Valley. I just want to
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: make that clear. It's not like a bunch of sitting
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: in a room. So the deep state, the global cabal.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: They'll list things like they'll say, okay, the Rock War,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: the War on terror, you know, Russia Gate, Ukraine, Israel, Palestine,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: and wait a minute, did you skip something in there?
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Did you skip like the biggest, hugest, most obvious, and
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: most global thing. They don't list COVID as one of
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: those deep state controlled events, all of them. And I'm
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: talking about people that I respect to certain different degrees,
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: like Glenn Greenwald, like Matt Taibi, like people who really
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: investigated the deep state when it came to Trump and
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Russia Gate and the Ukraine War and stuff like that,
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: and other people who look into it when it comes
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: to Israel Palestine or the Iran War. They all skip
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: over COVID as one of the things that, like you said,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: that is reveals the trends and the forces that are
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: actually active in the world right now, and that makes
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: that is to me, I never hear anybody on the
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: sort of I guess media, mainstream media, adjacent kind of
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: alternatives talk about it. The people who analyze geopolitics don't
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: talk about it. The people who analyze, you know, what's
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: happening in terms of power shifts in the world and
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: you know unipolaric well, I mean the people in our
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: space do. But our space is tiny.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: And very very divided. Also a lot of infighting.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: And a lot of infighting which I think intentional, yes,
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: because it's by design. So we when I were talking
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: before we hit record about the virus no virus issue,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: and what I always say is, first of all, that
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: became an issue during COVID when they were trying to
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: divide us and some people went very crazy and berserk,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: accusing other people of things, and you know, sewing a
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: lot of discord for no reason at all, because it
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: wasn't the virus, as I said, It wasn't the so
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: called virus or the real virus or the fake virus
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: or the bioengineered virus. It wasn't that entity, whether it
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: existed or not, that killed the world. So it doesn't matter.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: We can talk about whether viruses exist. That's a huge,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: long conversation, and I'm delving into it now and I'm
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: not even going to say what I think because I
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: don't have enough information yet. I do know so far
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: that when I look at studies that have to do
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: with viruses and that have to do with the historical
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: record of how they came to decide that there were
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: virusruses and that viruses did certain things, and that they
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: could create vaccines against viruses, I haven't found any papers
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: that were very reliable right now. I don't have a
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: lot of scientific evidence pointing to, you know, the very
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: scientific validity of the entire field of virology. That doesn't
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: mean that I know that viruses don't exist. I don't
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: know that, so I can't say that, and so people
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: will attack me and say, well, you know, instead of
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: telling people that you know, COVID was in a public
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: health e vent or whatever, you just have to tell
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: them that viruses don't exist. But if you start with that,
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: if you start with that statement, if I go to
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: someone and I say, you know what the problem is
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: with or even if you're just talking about vaccines, Let's
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: say you want to convince someone that they shouldn't get
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: their kid vaccinated. Right, if I want to convince someone
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: who has been propagandized all their lives about vaccines that
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: they shouldn't get their kid vaccinated, I'm not going to
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: tell them that viruses don't exist, because they're just going
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: to shut down and they're not going to listen to me.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: I'm going to tell them what the record, what the
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: scientific record shows about how the incident of disease plummeted
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: way before vaccines, about how vaccine you know, all all
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: the scientific, scientifically proven things that are enough. That's enough
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: to convince someone not to give their child a vaccine.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: But people get all riled up about, oh, you have
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: to tell us. You have to say that there's no
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: viruses otherwise otherwise you're playing into the framework and blah,
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: blah blah, and I just I just don't think that
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: that's a helpful way to approach the subject. I'm not
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: saying it's not valid. It's certainly a valid subject to study,
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: and it's a valid subject to argue about and debate
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: about and talk about and show evidence for or against
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: or whatever. It's not helpful in the context of trying
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: to understand COVID or trying to understand, you know, why
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: you shouldn't get your kid vaccinated.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Strategically, it's it's not very helpful in conversations and it's
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: not that all persuasive. So you have you have to
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: you have to come in at a at a bit
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: of angle. You actually need to meet people with they
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: are at Yeah, and.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: That's hard, especially for somebody like me. I mean if
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: I immediately come in, which I sometimes do, I often do,
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: and it's not good and I say, well, COVID wasn't
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: a public health event. It was run by the military
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: intelligence and they're on you know, you know, you know,
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: so you have to start right. And I'm learning that
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: people have been giving me very good advice about how
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: to approach things, like by asking questions, not making statements,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: you know, talking asking people like how they feel about something,
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: or whether they noticed anything that they felt was unusual,
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: or whether they think a certain fact that they were
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: told might be uh, you know, might be challenged. You know,
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: I might be able to challenge it in some ways.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: So it's very difficult to do.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: I actually had that experience recently. I was added to
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: to a WhatsApp group called balls. It was just for
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: guys to discuss the matters of the world of great
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: importance with no holds bard and someone mentioned that they
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: knew someone who died of COVID nineteen. I said, but
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: there was no COVID nineteen, and I was removed from
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: the group.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: You were removed from the group's So they're going to
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: say you made an extreme statement that probably wasn't a
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: good idea, but they weren't tiring enough or open enough
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: to say, Okay, that's an interesting perspective, which is what
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: they should have.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes you kind of gauge, right, you you gauge
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: the people that you are around, and you you know,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: you know that this is just not worth it, you
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. There are some battles you
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: choose and others you just go, I'm not going to
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: even bother with this one.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, were they just a bunch of normies?
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Like what was Yeah, I just realized that there was
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: no hope. So I'll just come in. I'll just come in.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: I'll just shoot straight from the hip.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: And how to get yourself kicked out. That's a good way.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: But you know the sad thing though, is those people
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: are still in the majority. Yeah, and the ones you're
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: talking about bio weapons are not those people. The ones
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: you're talking about bio weapons all people in the alternative space.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Well, that's what I was going to say, is so
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: the problem is those people are in the majority, and
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: then the people in our space are so propagandized also
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: that they also are unreachable because if I say right now,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: people are going to look at me and they're going
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: to say the fact that I'm saying that the weaponized
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Tick story and the Alpha gel story, and the bioweapons
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: lab story and we have to cut funding to gain
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: of research story, all of those stories I'm saying are
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: peripheral and meant to cover up the real things that
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: are going on. I'm going to get accused of all
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: kinds of things, probably because people on our side are
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: propagandized as well. That's why, I mean, we'n's a tiny
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: minority like people who just want to find the truth
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: and don't want to be canceling each other or you know,
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: if people want to argue with me or show me
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: that there is such a thing as a tick that
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: causes alpha gel, you know, please do. But please explain
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: to me why between twenty twenty one and twenty twenty five,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: which is when the mRNA shots were unleashed on billions
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: of people, why is that not a more likely explanation.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: That's my question.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: I wonder if Matias Desmitt was right he said that
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: around thirty percent of people at any time will will
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: be non hypnotized or not sorry, not hypnotized. I mean,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: so if you think about your circles that you hang around,
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: what that effectively means is that three in ten people
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: on average are going to be in tune with what
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: you're saying.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I don't think that that's a
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: good and not in my experience. The more in my
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: experience way fewer.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Oh fewer. Okay, wow, okay, so thirty percent is quite optimistic. Yeah, yeah, sure,
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: that is very sad, Debbie, that is very sad.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, what can you do? I mean, that's
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: that's what keeps me. When you ask what am I
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: afraid of? That's what I'm afraid of. That's what I'm
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: afraid of is being surrounded. And my daughter calls it
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: cult brain, and she says, Mom, everybody has cult brain
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: about different things. You have cult brain. Everybody has cult brain.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: So cul brain is what scares me.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I get that. You know, do you also
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: do this? If I go to the shops, I often
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: just you know, with my perofal vision, think about how
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: many people around me I think the way I do.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Do you also do that?
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: That's interesting. I don't do it as specifically, but that
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: sounds like The reason I don't do that specifically is
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: because like the places that I go to shop, for instance,
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: I live in an extremely performative, liberal kind of neighborhood,
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: and so I know that nobody around me, you know
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: what I mean, And if I go to another you know,
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: I kind of know the lay of the land, so
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: I kind of know. But yeah I don't.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well hold on, no, no, let me be most okay,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: So let me give you a more specific example, depending
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: on what I've been talking about recently. You know. So
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: I might go into the mall and all the people
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: are walking past me, and I'll think, I wonder how
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: many of them think man walked on the moon. That's
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: a pretty specific example. And I always come to the
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: same conclusion that the majority of those around me, except
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: the official story, or it doesn't matter what it is.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Any official story is what the majority of those around
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: me think. And I'm not suggesting that I'm superior, and
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that at all, because I could be
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: wrong and they could be right. I don't necessarily think
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: that about a lot of these topics, but it could
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: also be the possibility. But it's more about how many
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: people are in tune. Well, how many people am I
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: in tune with? Does that make sense?
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Yes? Right, yes, yes, yeah. I think that's also a
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: hard thing to do because I have found that I'm
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: in tune with some people about COVID, but I'm not
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: in tune with them about Trump and the technocrats. I'm
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: in tune with some people about the technocrats or about
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: but not about Israel. I'm in tune with some people
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: about Israel, but not about pandemics. You know, like There's
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: very very very very very few people who I'm in
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: tune with about all the topics, and then forget the
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: moon landing. Like even the people that I'm intunede with,
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: let's say about ninety nine percent of those things. Yeah,
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: the moon landing is out there, and I also, until
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: recently didn't want to go there, but when I did,
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: I realized.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: But it's just it's just a subject. I mean, you know,
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: for me, nothing is taboo. You know, I'm happy to
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: ask the question and to think about it. I've I've
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: even entertained the idea of Earth being flat. I don't
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: personally think Earth is flat, but I've entertained it. And
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: I love talking to flat earthers because because they they
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: ask questions that other people perhaps are too afraid to ask,
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: and I enjoy that. I like that they they are
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: no they those those those people who would be cast
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: out of society, you know, if society was run like that,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: and and those are the people that I like. I
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: don't know who said this. It's it's often attributed to Einstein,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: but I don't think that's correct from what I read,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: but to something along the lines of I'm not interested
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: in the line out of tin who agree with one another,
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: I'm interested in the one who disagrees with the other line.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good, I agree, and I agree with you.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: I think the problem with those kinds of things, and like,
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: let's say the moon landing, is that you really have
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: to spend the time to get the information. And so
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: it's not enough for me to come to someone and say, hey,
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: I've looked into it and I think it's all fake.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: You know, I have to send them like many many
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: hours of videos, and I have to send them articles,
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: and like who has time for that? So the problem
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: of just doing your own research isn't extremely time consuming.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: I of course think it's it's the most important thing
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: in order to get away from the propaganda. But people
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: don't understand that everything that they've ever been told is propaganda.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: You know. I don't want to spend the time, including myself,
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: on many topics, and so that's why you're right, Like
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: I will have a conversation about anything. I'll have a
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: conversation about flat earth, about no virus, about the moon landing,
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: you know, and I won't to judge people.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just want to add, because I've noticed
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: this over the years, of having these conversations. I don't
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: know a single flat Earth who got jabbed, not one.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: So I'm just I'm just just pointing that out.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Interesting. Interesting, So whatever you think about it, at least
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: somebody who has that sensibility to know that or to
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: think that everything is a lie, well, they're not going
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: to go They're not going to fall for the lies.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: Whether the lies are you know, real or not, they're
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: not going to fall for it. So yeah, and just.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: By the way, just on the JAB thing, I think
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: you probably know this, but my country, South Africa has
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: had one of the lowest uptakes in the world. And
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: why I pointed out is because I love I love
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: when they say, yeah, you know IQ's in Africa are
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: notoriously low. Well we might have the lowest IQ's in
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: the world, but we got the lowest JAB uptakes, so
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know about that correlation.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting. Also probably the lowest depths from COVID itself, right,
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: because you.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: Know, well most Africans don't have TV.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Right exactly, kind of like the Amish. So it's like
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: if you don't if you are young and healthy, as
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: most Africans are in the younger in the younger age bracket.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: And so you didn't get hurt by COVID or whatever,
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: any virus or any disease during twenty twenty, then you
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: didn't take the back seen in twenty twenty one. Then
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: you're probably way healthier than most of the people in
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: the world.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Actually, you know, if I think back now, Debbie, to
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: when the lockdowns were announced the speaking of the military,
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: I mean within within minutes after the president announced lockdowns,
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: there was there were military vehicles going out, right, So
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: obviously it was initiated in advance, right, But yes, something interesting.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: I knew many people who lived in very very poor areas.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: We call them townships. But I think that the international
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: term might be like a squatter camp or something. I
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: don't know if or shanty town.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: Perhaps, know I've heard the term township.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, so it's like a shanty town or whatever. So
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: you'll have a lot of people living in very close proximity.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: And if there were a dead if there was a virus,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: nobody in any of these close quarters died. There was nothing,
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: nothing happened. In actual fact, they weren't even wearing masks.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Yep, amazing, right, And so when I tell people so, I, uh,
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: you know, have been trying to I wrote a book
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: called The Deep State Goes Viral that I think you
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: and I've talked about, and I tried. I've been trying
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: to give it to people who I wasn't able to
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: talk to about COVID, and I try to explain to
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: them and they say, and I say, for instance, you know,
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: like masking and distancing in all of the lockdowns and
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: stuff and the vaccines, you know, the lockdown until vaccine
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: response was not at public health response. And they say
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: to me, well, but what would have happened if we
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: didn't do it right? So that the answer is always
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: not like, oh yeah, it's really good. We know it's good,
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: but it's if we didn't do it, it would have been worse,
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: because that's what they've been told. And I always say,
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: you know, there are countries, and I'm glad you brought
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: up South Africa. You know, Sweden is the obvious example
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: where they didn't do any They didn't do a lot
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: of the lockdown stuff. They definitely did the vaccines, but
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: I think your example is better. So African countries that
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: didn't have any deaths from COVID and didn't take the
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: vaccine are a very good counter argument to that. It's
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: important to have a counter argument when people say, well,
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: it would have been worse if we hadn't lockdown, It
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: would have been worse if we didn't have the vaccine.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: And so I think it sounds.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: Like South you know about the Tanzanian president who oppose
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: vaccines coming into the country and then just very mysteriously died.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: It was there were like I think there were four
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: African leaders actually who mysteriously died very very in a
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: very short time period. And they were all people, all
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: leaders who were opposed to the COVID measures. Yeah.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, Dibbie, we kind of went into different directions there.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: But let me just quickly summarize your argument, and that is,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: and please please jump in if I got this wrong,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: But basically, what you're saying is that the bioweapon narrative,
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: even if it comes from people in the alternative space,
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: is perhaps another layer of the same operation. It keeps
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: everybody scared, keeps keeps us looking at the wrong thing,
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: keeps us distracted, and we never ever get to the truth,
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: and accountability never actually happens.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's a good Submary, and I would add, just
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: on top of that What we haven't mentioned is that
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: I don't think that they can do what they say
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: they do. So when they say weaponized tics, when they
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: say gain a function, when they say we can make
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: viruses by you know, somebody in their garage can take
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: this part of a virus and that part of a
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: virus and glue them together and then someone kill everybody.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: I actually don't think that's possible. So I also don't
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: think you worry about it. Even if you think, even
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: if you think that there are these biolabs and that
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: they are working on this stuff, I would say, don't
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: That's not what you need to worry about. It's not possible.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: I'm so glad I came across your work four years
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: ago and we're still chatting now. But obviously I know
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: how to find you. But for those who don't know,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: how can they follow your work?
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  Speaker 2: Debbie Lherman dot substack dot com. That's the only place
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: where I am right now, And previously I was also
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: at the Brownstone Institute. So there's a lot of articles
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: that I've written at the Brownstone Institute. And my book
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: is available on Amazon and every other place, and it's
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: called The Deep State Goes viral and it was published.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: It was published in twenty twenty five.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: Leerman, thank you for joining me in the trenches.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you very much. It was I really loved talking
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: to you. Thank you.