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- 0:00I think growing up poor like was a huge blessing growing up, you
- 0:05know, single mom, no dad in the mix, ADHD, you know, had some
- 0:08abuse and different things. My mom, she would work during
- 0:12the day and then usually she and then she would bartend at night.
- 0:15So I saw that growing up like that was just familiar.
- 0:18People say, how do you learn how to work so hard?
- 0:21And I'm like, I don't know. But then I, I look back, I was
- 0:24like, Oh, it's because it was familiar.
- 0:27I saw my mom do it like in the 3rd grade, I wrote down on a
- 0:30piece of paper, it's this big. And I found it when, when our
- 0:33mom died in 2010. And it said, what do you want to
- 0:37be when you grow up? And I wrote down, I want to be a
- 0:39professional baseball player. My favorite players are Dave
- 0:42Parker released our jewel. They play for the Pittsburgh
- 0:44Pirates. And I was, I was in like shock
- 0:47because what I realized at that point was manifestation is real.
- 0:54Like I wrote this down one time in the 3rd grade and it like it
- 0:58didn't manifest exactly like I wrote it, but I got to play pro
- 1:01ball, right? And then I do a ton of business
- 1:05out of the Pittsburgh area, right, with real estate and
- 1:07stuff. So it didn't manifest exactly
- 1:09like I wrote it, but there were so many similarities and I and I
- 1:13thought, damn, I only wrote this one time in the third grade.
- 1:18So I'm here today with my friend DJ Thalen, and he is such an
- 1:22incredible person. You know, he's in the real
- 1:24estate industry now doing over 3500 transactions, over $350
- 1:29million in real estate deals throughout his past 20 years in
- 1:33the industry, right? Yeah.
- 1:34And you also used to play. You were the number six draft
- 1:37pick for the San Francisco Giants in baseball, not in New
- 1:41York Giants. A few years ago.
- 1:42Yeah, a few years ago. And yeah, so and you, you came
- 1:47from really, really humble beginnings.
- 1:48And so I'm really looking forward to hearing your story
- 1:52because I know you went through a lot of pretty massive
- 1:55challenges. And you know, you, you were
- 1:58raised by a single mom. You didn't have a strong father
- 2:02figure. Obviously you struggled with
- 2:04some things like I have like ADHD and difficulty learning in
- 2:07school or paying attention in school.
- 2:10And then you did go on to become like one of the best athletes of
- 2:13all time, right? Playing professional baseball.
- 2:16So I'm just really excited. And you also didn't come from
- 2:19money either, or you mentioned that you had very low income
- 2:22growing up and now you're, you know, very successful.
- 2:25And had some some mindset monsters I called.
- 2:29Right there I I can't wait to learn about him so but thank
- 2:31you. Thanks for flying.
- 2:32Out here. Thank you, my friend.
- 2:34Yeah, yeah, this is awesome. Cool.
- 2:36So tell me about your story, like take it all the way back to
- 2:40your earliest memory and what what was your life like and what
- 2:45pain were are you dealing with? And what was it like to be
- 2:49abandoned by your father at such an?
- 2:51Age, I mean, you know, I think Hannah, I think that so many
- 2:56times people, people don't want to go through hard times, right?
- 3:02But that's like when you're going through them, they suck,
- 3:06right? Or they can.
- 3:07I mean, now I look at it differently, but it's, it's like
- 3:11growing up, you know, as single mom, like you mentioned, right?
- 3:13Single mom, she was Italian, my biological dad was German, but
- 3:17we grew up around the Italian culture with my grandma and
- 3:20stuff and, you know, 9 uncles and and Uncle Rocky and all
- 3:23that, right? So, so we grew up around that
- 3:26culture, very loving, very, very friendly, like welcoming to
- 3:31everybody, you know. And so but yeah, I mean, growing
- 3:35up, you know, single mom, no dad in the mix, ADHD and, you know,
- 3:40had some abuse and different things.
- 3:43But I think that like for me, I can look back now, like a lot of
- 3:49people that listen to this and are going through that it, it,
- 3:53it's not fun, right? It's not a, a joyous time.
- 3:56And you can say, well, just change the way you look at it,
- 3:58right? And I do believe that if you
- 4:01change the way that you see things, the things you see will
- 4:03change 100%. Like that's one mindset hack
- 4:07that I use all the time. But I think that like so many
- 4:11people that are going through stuff just know, like this is
- 4:16what I tell my team, right? And my, my son and everyone, at
- 4:20some point, what you're going through is going to be fine.
- 4:24You're going to get past it. Maybe it's a week, maybe it's a
- 4:27day, maybe it's a year, maybe it's longer, maybe it's shorter.
- 4:31But at some point, that pain that that tough time, it's going
- 4:35to, you're going to get beyond it.
- 4:37You know, everything has a starting and the end, right?
- 4:40So I think that, but yeah, growing up, yeah, we didn't have
- 4:44a lot of money like you mentioned, right?
- 4:46Thank God for my grandparents. My mom didn't drive a car.
- 4:51My mom never drove a car her whole life.
- 4:54Imagine that like nowadays, right.
- 4:56So, and we were my brother and I were super active.
- 4:58My brother's two years older, Derek, so he's 55 and 53 and.
- 5:04But yeah, my mom, yeah, just just work 2-3 jobs, right.
- 5:09She would, she would work during the day and then usually she and
- 5:13then she would bartend at night. So then so I saw that growing up
- 5:18that I think like that was just familiar, right?
- 5:22Like people, people say, why do you, how do you learn how to
- 5:24work so hard? And I'm like, I don't know, like
- 5:28I don't. But then I, I look back, I was
- 5:30like, oh, it's because it was familiar.
- 5:32I saw my mom do it. Like that's all I knew, right?
- 5:35Like I got to go to work. I got to go and put in the time.
- 5:38So but yeah, growing up with those challenges, I mean, thank
- 5:42God, I was like super athletic and got drafted, like you
- 5:46mentioned in the sixth round by the San Francisco Giants in 91 a
- 5:51few years ago. And and So what is that now 30?
- 5:57I even know I wasn't good at math, but a long time ago.
- 6:00So, but got drafted and that was really, you know, that was
- 6:04really the, the beginning of a journey that I didn't think that
- 6:15I was going to go down right. Because you when you're young,
- 6:18like in the 3rd grade, I wrote down Kristen has it.
- 6:21I wrote down on a piece of paper.
- 6:22It's this big. And I found it when, when our
- 6:25mom died in 2010 and it said, what do you want to be when you
- 6:29grow up? And I wrote down it was in Miss
- 6:31Harris class that said, when I grew up, I want to I want to be
- 6:34a professional baseball player. My favorite players are Dave
- 6:37Parker, Willie Starr, Jewel that play for the Pittsburgh Pirates.
- 6:40So I find this piece of paper, right.
- 6:42I'm the best player in the minor leagues, right?
- 6:44Like, no, no, no belief problems, right?
- 6:47Which which is a big like part of success, right?
- 6:51You have to put the beliefs aside.
- 6:53But I looked at this Hannah and literally like my brother was
- 6:57there. Our mom's laying on the couch
- 6:59still gone right dead. And so and I and I'm looking for
- 7:04the I'm, I'm look, I find this and she had a drawer with his
- 7:08memorabilia in mind, like a baseball card stuff she kept.
- 7:11So I'm, I'm looking through this and I find this old sheet of
- 7:14paper. I'm like, what's that?
- 7:15And I pull it out and I couldn't even talk.
- 7:18Like they thought like I was having a stroke.
- 7:20They're like, dude, what's wrong?
- 7:21Are you, what happened? You know, and I was, I was in
- 7:23like shock because what I realized at that point was
- 7:29manifestation is real. That's what I realized.
- 7:32Like I wrote this down one time in the 3rd grade and it like it
- 7:37didn't manifest exactly like I wrote it, but I got to play pro
- 7:40ball, right? And then I do a ton of business
- 7:44out of the Pittsburgh area, right, with real estate and
- 7:46stuff. So it didn't manifest exactly
- 7:48like I wrote it. But there were so many
- 7:50similarities and I, and I thought, damn, I only wrote this
- 7:54one time in the 3rd grade. Like what if I started writing
- 7:59my, my vision down and what I wanted all the time and really
- 8:03giving it energy and really believing that like that's
- 8:07already done, right? How fast can I now attract
- 8:10things into my life? How fast can I create the life
- 8:13that I want, the things I want? And so that led me on a journey
- 8:17to really the a lot of the manifesting stuff, gratitude and
- 8:25things that we'll talk about. But yeah, that was like the kind
- 8:29of the beginning of the journey of understanding how strong our
- 8:33mind is and how the universe works and, and, you know, being
- 8:39a believer in God and all that, That's like my number one.
- 8:42But then also, you know, I think you have the spiritual, you have
- 8:46the physical. So you got to take care of your
- 8:48body, You got to take care of your spiritual side and
- 8:52relationship. And then you have to take care
- 8:53of your mental side, right. And mental, I kind of, I think
- 8:57energy and stuff like that is I, I put that in the mental side.
- 9:01And so, yeah, it's like you if you can, if you can figure out
- 9:07and, and I would say master, but just keep working on those and
- 9:12get better and better and better.
- 9:13Pretty soon you look up and you'll be so aligned and things
- 9:17start happening in your favor all the time.
- 9:19And you're like, Oh my gosh, like, how do you know what I
- 9:21mean? Like you were used to be like, I
- 9:23can't believe that happened for me.
- 9:24Now you're like, like expecting it, you know what I mean?
- 9:29So it's just, yeah, my mindset change.
- 9:31But yeah, I think that I think growing up poor like was a huge
- 9:38blessing, huge blessing. It taught me how to be creative.
- 9:41It taught me how to think out-of-the-box.
- 9:44I learned how to play video games at 10 years old.
- 9:47You know, the the old school video games with the with the,
- 9:52they have the corn return at the bottom, little plastic door.
- 9:54I know, you know, so yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 9:57They have like the plastic door you put the quarter in, if you
- 9:59hit it, there's a door. What?
- 10:00They don't have the plastic door on it, right?
- 10:04I'm going to get a lot of people in trouble.
- 10:06But if you don't have the plastic door, you can take a
- 10:08penny and there's a slot and you can flick it up in there and it
- 10:11will hit the same part as the quarter.
- 10:12So from an early age, I didn't realize this until I got older,
- 10:17I literally was wired to look at everything backwards like which
- 10:23was a massive blessing right in my life.
- 10:26So had I not grown up that way, I would have never learned how
- 10:29to do that or play video, you know, video games with straws.
- 10:32Like I learned how to do like all these things that were so
- 10:35out-of-the-box. So thank God that I had those
- 10:38things because it got me to be, I was, I've always been like an
- 10:43outside of the box thinker. And it's, you know, as an
- 10:47entrepreneur, like now, it's like, Oh my God, thank God, I
- 10:51went, I, I grew up that way because it serves me so well
- 10:54now, you know, but, but when you're going through it
- 10:57sometimes, like people don't realize when they're going
- 11:01through hard times, that those hard times down the road will
- 11:05probably be your big, one of your, one of your biggest, lead
- 11:09you to your biggest strengths and be so beneficial for you
- 11:12down the road. But you just can't like someone
- 11:15that doesn't have a dad, right? Like if you don't anybody I know
- 11:18they have a dad was just pissed off growing up.
- 11:20Like just anger it, you know what I mean?
- 11:22Like quick fuse, like me and, and so, but you know, but then
- 11:29as I got older and I started to understanding how to control
- 11:32that and, and right and all that.
- 11:35And it was, and it took a long time, you know what I mean, to,
- 11:40to shed the my mom would say, yeah, DJ, he's a loving kid, but
- 11:44he's got a quick fuse, right? And I'm like, thanks, Ma.
- 11:47You know, like, like kind of like not on purpose, but like,
- 11:51man, just speaking like kind of death, you know, on your, on
- 11:56your mind, right. So I think that happens to a lot
- 12:00of people is the parents don't understand these things and
- 12:04they, they speak these things on to on to the kids.
- 12:07And then the kids grow up believing like, Oh yeah, we
- 12:10like, hey, we can't, you know, many times I heard we can't
- 12:12afford that. So as I got older and I and I
- 12:16would hit these income ceilings and it was because I believe
- 12:19subconsciously I felt like I didn't, I couldn't afford it or
- 12:23didn't deserve it or whatever. You know, probably a lot of
- 12:26probably both of those, yeah. But yeah, yeah, that's some
- 12:30that's that's hopefully that helps a little.
- 12:33Yeah, and I, I, I love digging into the childhood and the story
- 12:37and all these things because I think, you know, so many of us
- 12:40have so much trauma from such a young age, whether it's severe
- 12:44trauma or whether it's smaller trauma, like not being seen,
- 12:48heard or protected by your parents, right?
- 12:50Something simple like that. And all a child wants is to be
- 12:54seen, heard, protected and have some level of like, freedom and
- 12:58identity. That's all anybody wants, right?
- 13:01And a child or adult. And so, you know, I think when
- 13:04we don't have, like, the prominent male figure is the
- 13:08most important figure that any child has in their life.
- 13:12And so when that is removed, which is very common,
- 13:17unfortunately, a lot of times we are raised thinking that we're
- 13:21unworthy, we're unloved, We're not, you know, not wanted, we're
- 13:25not good enough. We have to prove ourselves.
- 13:28And society in general reinforces positive, you know,
- 13:33we, we get positive reinforcement when we're a good
- 13:35boy or a good girl or we get good grades or we do better in
- 13:39sports or we don't complain, right?
- 13:42And so we learn to make ourselves small or overachievers
- 13:46or all these things. And then paired with the limited
- 13:48belief system of we can't afford it, we don't have money.
- 13:52Don't forget who you want, don't forget where you came from and
- 13:56those just really strong core beliefs that are ingrained from
- 14:02such a young age. It drives us to go one way or
- 14:05the other, right? And obviously you did you feel
- 14:08like you weren't worthy or you weren't loved or you had to
- 14:11prove yourself like as a child or like what was your?
- 14:14Yeah, you know, I, I, I like. Not that this was healthy and I,
- 14:23and you know, I know a lot of people talk about this.
- 14:26I, I don't know, long term, it's like taking something that's
- 14:32like, it's OK for you now, but long term it's going to like rip
- 14:35your liver apart or something, right?
- 14:36Like, I don't know if it's if it was good for me long term, but I
- 14:42just wanted like when I was young, I wanted like two things.
- 14:45I want to get to the big leagues, retire my mom and I
- 14:48want to prove and I want to, I want I don't, I basically want
- 14:52to show my dad like, like you, you screwed up, right?
- 14:57You know what I mean? Like it was almost to prove to
- 15:00him, you know, from the abandonment and all that to
- 15:04prove to him like, like, gotcha, you know, you should have, you
- 15:08should have been there. Now look what you're missing out
- 15:10on. And so I think like that's kind
- 15:12of where I operated from and I and I don't, and I really don't
- 15:16believe that long term that's healthy, right?
- 15:19Because then you get there, like let's say that you get there and
- 15:22then and I've talked to people that have even and and it's
- 15:27like, now what? Now I've proved it.
- 15:31Now, now, now how? Now what do I latch onto to keep
- 15:35me driven, to keep me like going forward, right?
- 15:38It's like I've I've got, I got there, right?
- 15:42So like, OK, yeah, I got you. But like, now what?
- 15:46Now what? Now?
- 15:47What's your anchor? You know, so I think, I think it
- 15:50it, I think you can use it for fuel for sure.
- 15:53Like I think like a lot of kids grow up poor inner city single
- 15:57mom, no dad. And they use that to fuel them.
- 16:00Like I'm going to, I'm going to show him or I'm going to like
- 16:03I'm going to, I'm just going to make it and take care of my mom.
- 16:05Like for me it was both and, and so, yeah, I think I use that.
- 16:12I think sometimes, you know, you, you said something, I heard
- 16:17a story of two brothers. You probably heard this or maybe
- 16:21you haven't. And one was super successful.
- 16:24They were sitting next to each other, right?
- 16:26And one was, you know, on drugs and strung out and, you know, on
- 16:29the living on the streets. And they asked them why did you,
- 16:32you know, what was it that allowed you to turn out like you
- 16:34turned out? And both of them said it was
- 16:36because of how my father was right.
- 16:39So I think that I think that you, you either got to be the
- 16:44victor or the victim. You can't be both.
- 16:46And I think people go through life blaming victim and they
- 16:52and, and you're in I, you know, you're in like a, like a rut,
- 16:56like you're in a track that you're, it's, it's like a train
- 17:00track. It's like hard to get out of,
- 17:01right? But I think that people need to
- 17:04understand that I, I truly believe gratitude, right?
- 17:08I start my morning with prayer, gratitude, obviously swimming
- 17:11exercise, all that. But you, if you're not putting
- 17:17good stuff in your mind on a consistent basis constantly, the
- 17:22it's we all default. We all have a default nobody,
- 17:25you know, people will say, Oh no, I'm, I'm sharp as iron and I
- 17:28don't think negative thoughts, man.
- 17:30I do like I have stuff come through me.
- 17:32I'm like, where'd that come from?
- 17:33Like that's kind of what I think of it now when it happens.
- 17:36I'm like, why would I believe that?
- 17:37Where did that come from? Right?
- 17:39That's not true. It's the monkey mind.
- 17:40It's the survival brain. Yes, yeah.
- 17:44And then I'm like, no, no, no, no, that's not true.
- 17:46So when you're, you know, the first step in transformation is
- 17:49awareness. So once people become aware that
- 17:52there's got to be humble enough and lose the ego.
- 17:55I think in especially with social media and all there's,
- 17:59there's so much, so many egos out there and everybody makes
- 18:03entrepreneurship especially look like it's way easier than it is,
- 18:06right. And then people get in and they
- 18:09get punched and they're like, damn, that hurt.
- 18:13I want to do that again, you know what I mean?
- 18:15And so, so I can circle back to that.
- 18:19But yeah, I, I think that if people can realize like the a
- 18:26lot of times, the messes that people look at Oprah Winfrey,
- 18:29right? There's tons of stories, abuse,
- 18:31raped, you know, I think by her uncle or something.
- 18:34And she went through all this stuff and had and became a
- 18:41billionaire, right? In fact, I think most, most of
- 18:45people that I know, we were talking about some of them like
- 18:47they've been through some crazy crap, like, you know, like
- 18:51crazy, like going to jail, like, like smoking crack, you know,
- 18:56like I'm like, Dang, man, like, like think I didn't have it that
- 19:00bad. Like I just didn't have my dad
- 19:01around, you know what I mean? Like I didn't smoke crack.
- 19:04But so I think that I think that there's like there's different
- 19:10levels, but a lot of times if you, if people choose to be the,
- 19:15the victor, they can use that, that the the mess is the message
- 19:19when they, you know, to help, to help other people look at like
- 19:23the online coaching space. It's huge right now because
- 19:27people are using their mess and to basically help people fix
- 19:33their prop. Like I'm going to you know what,
- 19:35what I needed to learn or needed to know when I was younger, Like
- 19:39I'm just going to create a signature program to show and
- 19:42teach people how to do what I did.
- 19:45But I had to go, you know, it took me 20 years, right?
- 19:48I'm going to show people how to do it in, in 90 days or
- 19:50whatever. So we call that collapsing
- 19:53decades into days. And so, you know, that's
- 19:56important. But yeah, I think you know, the
- 19:59the challenges that I don't remember, I was just telling
- 20:03this to and I think this will help a lot of people that are
- 20:08watching this. When we I came to this
- 20:12conclusion on my own. When we grow up and we're in
- 20:16school, what happens like when you were in school?
- 20:19Do you ever get an F? No straight A my whole life.
- 20:22I knew it. I know you're too smart.
- 20:26So yeah, I. I had no self worth I had
- 20:29thought I had. That was the only place that I
- 20:31felt worthy in over performing in school.
- 20:35Well, I did, yeah. So, so like I can speak from
- 20:38experience, so. And yeah, I mean, listen, my mom
- 20:41was Italian, had the, had the freaking metal spoon.
- 20:44Like, I mean, my fingers are bent, probably broke my feet.
- 20:48I mean, she would go ham on us. Like, like, and this thing was
- 20:52like, not metal, like steel, you know what I mean?
- 20:56Yeah, she would, she would be, I mean, you know, now you, you say
- 21:00a man, she would whip my butt, right.
- 21:02And we needed it for sure. I mean, I don't say we didn't
- 21:04deserve it, but I, I say that to say when we were grown up, if
- 21:11you failed, if any, even today, if somebody fails in school when
- 21:16they're young, what happens? Massive trouble.
- 21:18They get punished, right? So these kids, even in school,
- 21:24they get suspended. They get, they got to stay after
- 21:26they got to go to detention, right?
- 21:28Whatever. So there's some form of
- 21:31punishment, right? Like you said.
- 21:33So people grow up subconsciously and go, well, like they're
- 21:39scared to fail. They're so scared to fail that
- 21:42they will stay in a comfort zone and not try things because it's
- 21:46safer there. Then man, if I fail, I'm going
- 21:49to get in trouble. There's going to be pain
- 21:50associated with that failure, right?
- 21:53And so like for me, thank God I picked, I was blessed to play
- 21:58baseball because you're failing 7 out of 10 times, right?
- 22:02At least, I mean, some days more, some days less, some days
- 22:05you're failing 100% of the time, like, right.
- 22:08So like I had to, I, I was wired from an early age that I'm not
- 22:15going to win all the time. Like it's and, and I'm going to
- 22:18strike out. I'm going to, you know, like not
- 22:21get a hit, whatever, right. But then I'm going to hit my
- 22:25home runs, I'm going to hit the grand slams.
- 22:27I'm going to, you know, pitch a no hitter, whatever it is,
- 22:30right? Like, and so like for me, I, I
- 22:35didn't care about school. I just wasn't, I, I just wasn't
- 22:38engaged. I just wanted to go out on
- 22:40recess, to be honest. Like that's what I thought
- 22:42about. And so and be with my boys.
- 22:45But but yeah, I think that so many people, I think that's
- 22:49where the the fear comes from is childhood and that we were, we
- 22:55were, we were punished when we failed.
- 22:57And then as entrepreneurs, people.
- 22:59So now somebody fails and they're like, Oh, I'm not going
- 23:03to do that again, right, man, I bought AI, bought a piece of
- 23:06real estate and oh, nothing, man.
- 23:08I that's not for me. Oh shit.
- 23:10I've everything I buy is out of state.
- 23:12That's how I started. So I'm like, like if you buy a
- 23:16property in it and something doesn't work out, like usually a
- 23:20lot of times it's the people you dealt with.
- 23:23It doesn't have anything to do with like something you did
- 23:26right. You dealt, maybe dealt with the
- 23:27wrong people. Usually that's what I found.
- 23:30So, so it's just like, no, like real estate is good.
- 23:34That deal is good. But so, you know, but people
- 23:38quit, right? They throw in the towel.
- 23:40They're like, oh, no, it's not for me.
- 23:43Like that's out of my comfort zone.
- 23:44That's out of my and it's like, Oh my God, if I had done that, I
- 23:48bought 10 homes for 50 grand in 2005, a solar company.
- 23:53That's how I got into real estate.
- 23:54I fly out to Pennsylvania, first time I go to is torn down.
- 23:57There's no home, right? Like it's gone.
- 24:00I'm calling the guy freak and his numbers disconnect and I'm
- 24:02freaking out. And because everyone was like,
- 24:05you're an idiot, you're going to lose your money.
- 24:07So guess what plays in here? Maybe they were right, right?
- 24:12That whole that voice, maybe they were right, man, I don't
- 24:16know. And then the athlete brain kicks
- 24:19in and it's like, no, dude, you're good.
- 24:22You'll figure it out. It's, it's fine.
- 24:24It's, it's going to who cares? Like you failed, just keep
- 24:27swinging, right? So, yeah, I think, I think
- 24:31that's, I think that's why so many entrepreneurs get paralyzed
- 24:36and they don't take risks and they don't take chances or they
- 24:39quit at the first sign of resistance.
- 24:42I just believe that firmly. What do you think?
- 24:45Oh, I agree. I think one of the biggest
- 24:47things, I mean, that sets a successful entrepreneur apart
- 24:51from a non successful entrepreneur or just anybody is
- 24:55being courageous enough to take action even though you're scared
- 24:59shitless and it's OK to fail over and over again.
- 25:03And I always just saying, like Dory from Finding Nemo, just
- 25:06keep swimming. Just keep swimming.
- 25:08Yeah. And that, you know, that's what
- 25:10it is. And we are taught from a young
- 25:12age that don't fail, don't make mistakes, do it this way, follow
- 25:15the instructions, obey the rules.
- 25:18And entrepreneurship is the opposite.
- 25:19It's like create, fail, try things, innovate, test the
- 25:25limits, question the way it's always been done and all of
- 25:28those things. And it's you have to be OK with
- 25:32it. And I think something like so
- 25:34many entrepreneurs, they say 90% of entrepreneurs have some sort
- 25:39of pretty severe trauma that's happened at some point in their
- 25:42lives. And I think a lot of the, the
- 25:45pursuit of excellence through entrepreneurship, business,
- 25:49sports, any, any mass pursuit of excellence like that usually
- 25:54stems from a desire for fulfillment, right?
- 25:58There's something missing in US. Like there's that void inside of
- 26:02us. And we want that.
- 26:04And, and we think that when we pursue excellence and once we
- 26:08obtain excellence, then we'll feel fulfilled.
- 26:11And then we'll feel fulfilled and that'll continue to drive
- 26:13excellence. But what I found was that the
- 26:17pursuit of fulfillment and the pursuit of excellence are two
- 26:19separate pursuits. And when I finally every time I
- 26:25achieved excellence like I hit another goal or broke through a
- 26:28ceiling or. I got a new a different car.
- 26:30Right, like some sort of achievement that I hit.
- 26:34It was that short brief period of joy and dopamine and
- 26:39satisfaction, like a like a hit of a drug.
- 26:42And then it was immediately followed by anxiety and fear.
- 26:44And like, now what? Now I got to do bigger, now I
- 26:46got to do more. And now I got to go do this
- 26:48again. Like, what do I do next?
- 26:49Right. And so when that habit, that
- 26:52pattern continued to repeat, I realized, like, OK, excellence
- 26:55isn't going to fulfill me. Like this is a separate pursuit.
- 26:59And so then I started pursuing fulfillment, which took me down
- 27:02the path of healing therapy, plant medicine fix, like
- 27:07releasing the, the traumas from my father and my brothers and my
- 27:10mother and all these different situations that we all have
- 27:13inside of us. And that's where that anger
- 27:15trigger comes from. Like when when you have traumas
- 27:18in your body that are unhealed, your nervous system is it reacts
- 27:24like when something even small happens, like somebody flips you
- 27:27off on the freeway, you might freak out because your nervous
- 27:30system is holding on to these unhealed trauma and all this
- 27:33stuck energy inside of you. Like as you start to heal that
- 27:36and release that, then my meditation coach said, like
- 27:41when, you know, most of us, when we're doing things in our daily
- 27:45lives, let's say someone flips you off on the freeway or, or
- 27:48cuts you off or whatever, it's like drawing a line in a rock in
- 27:52our nervous system. Like it's permanent inside of
- 27:54our nervous system. And it, it's, it's very
- 27:59triggering and it's, our body holds it.
- 28:00It's like that rage inside of us, right?
- 28:03Because we already have unhealed trauma.
- 28:04We have all this thing that we never cleared.
- 28:06But as you start to heal and you start to clear this stuff, then
- 28:09it, it ultimately will then become like a line in sand where
- 28:14it bothers you and effects you, but you're able to maybe
- 28:16meditate or do whatever, go to therapy and clear it out.
- 28:19And then it becomes like a line in water.
- 28:22And then it eventually becomes a line in air where like nothing
- 28:26in life can take you down and these things happen.
- 28:30And let's say you're this is a stupid example, but let's say
- 28:34your friends didn't invite you on a girls trip or a guys trip
- 28:37that they all went on and they didn't invite you like to a non
- 28:41emotionally intelligent, non healed, traumatized person that
- 28:46might like really, really affect them and that might really
- 28:48emotionally cause them anger, rage, screw them, right?
- 28:52But someone who has healed and is emotionally intelligent and
- 28:56is, has done the work, they'll be like, OK, like it's no big
- 29:01deal. You know, it's not the end, It's
- 29:03not a big deal. Like clearly I'm not investing
- 29:05in those relationships. And clearly that I have other
- 29:08relationships that are more important or whatever.
- 29:10And there's no like resentment or rage or or ill will or pain
- 29:14that's caused by. That.
- 29:16So yeah, I think just being able to not be so attached to the
- 29:20outcome, like OK, if I fail, I fail.
- 29:23So what? Like, what's the worst thing
- 29:24that's going to happen if I lose it all?
- 29:27Am I going to, am I going to live?
- 29:29You know? And I think people are so afraid
- 29:32of failure when in reality, even the worst outcome that could
- 29:35possibly happen, they're still going to be OK.
- 29:37They're still going to make it. But that fear is so great, that
- 29:40emotion is so intense, that they just can't take action.
- 29:46Yeah, even even. I think some people too, are
- 29:50even fearful of success. Yeah.
- 29:53Like even the opposite, you know, like that wasn't me, but
- 29:58and I think too, like, you know, that's why it's you know, we all
- 30:01have mentors, right? I'm sure you do.
- 30:03We have, you know, a bunch. Kristen, my fiance has a bunch,
- 30:07so probably too many. But but her on her end, on her
- 30:13end. But but no, but like, but it's
- 30:17like, that's what like the ultimate hack is finding
- 30:22somebody that I think when you find a mentor, you need to find
- 30:26somebody that's done what you want to do that you're aligned
- 30:29with that you like. It's not just find someone
- 30:32that's done what you want to do and learn from them.
- 30:34No, dude, you got to be you got to like them and you got to like
- 30:38to be around them and you got to like their energy.
- 30:40Like there's more to it that I found, at least for me, is it's
- 30:45not just about because it's not about just the money.
- 30:47It's the whole, it's the, the whole, the whole enchilada,
- 30:51right? It's like, do they have a
- 30:53successful relationship? How are they with kid?
- 30:55How are they with people? Are they friendly?
- 30:57Are they kind? Are they giving?
- 30:58And so like, it's, it's more than just, hey, they were
- 31:02successful in this, but maybe they're a shit show at home and
- 31:05their marriage is falling apart and they're having an affair and
- 31:07all these things like why would it?
- 31:08Why would you want to learn from somebody like that, right?
- 31:10They're going to you're going to get to that point financially
- 31:14and then you're going to go, Oh damn, I sacrificed all these
- 31:18things that were really the most important, right?
- 31:22And now what right. And now it's like, and so I
- 31:26think you realize like, damn, I, I climbed the wrong ladder, you
- 31:30know, like a lot of people and and I've done that.
- 31:33I've been like, I, you know, a grinder.
- 31:35So like I have to like even with Kristen, I have to like learn
- 31:39like, OK, mate, like I'll I'll turn my phone off or you know,
- 31:43I'm I'm getting better at it. I'm not.
- 31:45I'm still like a work in progress, right, But it's like
- 31:49she told me for, you know, a cup I we need a date night where we
- 31:53play. I want to play, I want to go
- 31:54putt putt. I want to do something.
- 31:55I'm like, OK, and finally I after, you know, her harping on
- 32:00me a little bit, which I deserve, right.
- 32:03But again, you said you at the nail on the head.
- 32:05If I wasn't in a state, it'd be like, God, you know, what's this
- 32:11person? You know, why are they coming at
- 32:12me? Why would you know what I mean?
- 32:14And you're the way the way that you're looking at situations
- 32:17they're going. Yeah, you know what that that's
- 32:19important to her, then that's something I need to work on and
- 32:22get better at, right. And so, and not like this year.
- 32:25I have, you know, we've we've done stuff.
- 32:27But yeah, I think that I think what happens, Hannah, is a lot
- 32:31of people, and I did this and I know a lot of people would do
- 32:34this. We compartmentalize, we take the
- 32:38pain and the trauma and the childhood stuff and we suppress
- 32:44it and we put it in a, we put it in a, a treasure chest and we
- 32:50throw locks around it and we throw that thing at the bottom
- 32:52of the ocean and think it's just, it's not there, but it's
- 32:55there. And then guess what comes out?
- 32:57What happened to me in 2011 or 2012?
- 33:00Driving my car down the road, black out right?
- 33:03I thought I had a heart attack. I pulled over, my legs are numb.
- 33:06I was like, what the heck ended up being panic attack.
- 33:10So I had to deal with that, right?
- 33:11Like how to like, why did this happen?
- 33:13Because you're pressing down, you're taking on too much,
- 33:17right? You're redlining like you're
- 33:18just redlining. You're always on.
- 33:20You're never shut down. You're not your sleeps
- 33:22interrupted, you're not sleeping good, which is huge, right?
- 33:26And all these things. And then it's like, oh, damn,
- 33:31you know. And so my body was like, like
- 33:34shutting down for me, like, OK, right.
- 33:37And I think, and that was one of the, that was one of the best
- 33:39things that ever happened to me. Like, it really was, but it
- 33:43sucked like going through it, right?
- 33:45Like, God, why? Like, Yeah.
- 33:47And my, my doctor's like, dude, you need to, you need to like
- 33:52take some time off. And I was like, no way, no,
- 33:55there's no way. I can't right, like us
- 33:57entrepreneurs, right? Like, dude, what do you mean
- 33:59take time off? You, you know, no way.
- 34:01Like you take time off, right? But then you start realizing
- 34:05like, OK, I think, you know, it's and I don't think it's.
- 34:10And then, oh, and then and then a Doctor Who's a a investor of
- 34:13mine told me. He said, I, I said, how do you
- 34:16deal with his name's Fred, awesome guy, Fred James and, and
- 34:21doctor Fred and we still stay in touch.
- 34:23And he said, I said, I called him renowned Dr. like like
- 34:26surgeon. And I said, Hey, man, he's
- 34:30retired said, you know, I'm dealing with this is what I got
- 34:32going on. What would you recommend?
- 34:33Like how do I, how, how can I not have stress in my life?
- 34:36He goes, I'm going to tell you something.
- 34:38You're always going to have stress.
- 34:41It's how you, it's how you deal with it, right?
- 34:44You just have to learn how to cope and how to deal with it.
- 34:46That's the line in air. Yeah, that's exactly right.
- 34:50So it was like, oh, no one ever told me that, right?
- 34:55Why didn't, why didn't, why didn't my, why didn't my doctor
- 35:00tell me that? Right.
- 35:01Like, Oh yeah, you know, they just throw in the medication and
- 35:04that's the, you know, that's the obviously.
- 35:06And sometimes it's needed to get over that hump.
- 35:09But, but I, I just think, yeah, I think, you know, those things
- 35:14are like, yeah, you can, you can push it down, but at some point
- 35:19that thing is going to come up and it's going to come up in a,
- 35:22in an explosion, right? In a, in a, in some situation,
- 35:27someone goes off the rails and blows up a cyber truck.
- 35:30Look at all the crazy stuff that goes on, right?
- 35:32Like not saying all of them have childhood trauma, but there's
- 35:35probably a good chance, right, that there's some shit that was
- 35:39not healed in these in these guys.
- 35:40If you're going to blow yourself up.
- 35:42So, so like I, I just think that so many entrepreneurs chase the,
- 35:48the money, right? I did.
- 35:49I want the big, the bigger house and, and another car and I had,
- 35:53I had, I had four cars in Los Angeles.
- 35:56I had some buddies that I had Aston Martin and we would take
- 35:59them down a Malibu Canyon, right kind of run them.
- 36:03And I was only one with an Aston, but everyone else had a
- 36:06Ferrari. And I'm like, oh, I'm going to
- 36:08get a Ferrari. I like 4 cars of mine and then
- 36:11other car right that Mike's had. And it was like, what the heck?
- 36:14And I went out and bought and got a red Ferrari, I swear to
- 36:16God. And then I look back go what a
- 36:18moron, you know what I mean? But like none of that stuff,
- 36:22like you said, don't mean it. It's cool for a quick SEC and
- 36:25then you're like, oh man, like that was stupid.
- 36:29Why did I do that? Like literally a month later I'm
- 36:31like, Oh my God, why did I do this?
- 36:33Now I got this payment and like, I like my other car better and
- 36:36you know what I mean? And like the stereo sucks and I
- 36:39was just like, what the heck. But we think we chased the
- 36:43bigger house and it's good to have those things trust like I,
- 36:45I'm all about that. But I, I think that it's got to
- 36:50be it. We got to start.
- 36:51People got to start looking at the whole picture, right?
- 36:54And talking about their health, there's their spiritual
- 36:58relationship, their mental status, right?
- 37:02How's their mental, how's their mental game?
- 37:05You know, practicing gratitude, vitamins, nutrition, right?
- 37:09All of these things you got to like, it's a, it's a whole
- 37:12thing. It's not just if if you if
- 37:13people just chase money and let their health go and their
- 37:17mindset sucks and they're going to end up on cocaine binges and
- 37:22freaking in jail like that. That's what happens to those
- 37:25people. Like they just go.
- 37:26They just they just go sideways. Yeah, you know.
- 37:30Yeah. And I think when, you know, when
- 37:32these these difficult things happen in our lives, it causes
- 37:36us to disconnect from ourselves, right.
- 37:40And so it's my therapist uses the example of like, have you
- 37:44ever heard of a mother who was able to do some superhuman
- 37:46things, like she has a, you know, broken legs where she's
- 37:48able to run and grab her baby in a car?
- 37:50Accident or lift a car or. Something right, like some crazy
- 37:53things, right? And so like when that traumatic
- 37:55event happens, like a car crash, you disconnect and you're able
- 38:00to do all these other things like function in life or build a
- 38:03big company or become a famous athlete or all these things.
- 38:06But in order to heal, you have to reconnect to the pain.
- 38:12You have to go back to that event.
- 38:14You have to realize that you're hurt.
- 38:16You have to realize that you need help.
- 38:18And you have to like seek professional help from someone
- 38:20whose attention is on you because we as children have to
- 38:26give up our authenticity to be loved and taken care of by our
- 38:30parents because we don't have an option.
- 38:32We can't stand up for ourselves. We can't say, Oh no, this is who
- 38:36I'm going to be like, right? As a child, we're helpless.
- 38:39So we're like, OK, if I act this way, I get rewarded, I get
- 38:43loved, I get praised, I get whatever.
- 38:45And so we lose who we really are from such a young age that we
- 38:49don't when we grow up, we don't even know who we are anymore.
- 38:52We've just become, we've become this person that we got
- 38:55continued to get rewarded to become.
- 38:57And then we wonder why we're so disconnected and why we're such
- 39:01addicts. Like we're all such addicts.
- 39:03So everybody's on drugs of some, even if it's medic prescription
- 39:06drugs, like almost everybody's on antidepressants, anti
- 39:09anxiety, sleeping pills, caffeine, nicotine, weed, work,
- 39:15money, sex, like everything. Everybody I know, especially in
- 39:21the high performing entrepreneur space is an addict and they
- 39:25don't even know we're an addict. And like that, that was the
- 39:28realization I had. Joe Paul, she just met him a
- 39:30few. Minutes ago.
- 39:30Yeah, he's great. He's the one that made me
- 39:32realize that I was an addict like when I joined Genius
- 39:35network and he talks a lot about addiction cuz he used to be an
- 39:38addict as well. And I was like, Oh my God, I
- 39:42didn't even know that I'm just a functioning addict.
- 39:44Like I'm addicted to success and I'm addicted to money and I'm
- 39:46addicted to relationships and I'm addicted to, you know, these
- 39:50things that the society might not perceive as a negative
- 39:53addiction like food and all these things.
- 39:55But in reality, if you strip everything away from me and you
- 39:59just and I just lay down alone with no stimulation at this, at
- 40:05the time I was miserable. I was anxious.
- 40:08I grab your phone. I well, yeah, I couldn't be
- 40:11there like just me and my thoughts.
- 40:13Yeah. It was like, shoot me, right?
- 40:15And I was like, I don't want to live like this.
- 40:17I don't want to be chasing the next thing just to stimulate me
- 40:21or give me another dopamine head or always like in this fight or
- 40:24flight, this feeling of fear and scarcity and I need more and I
- 40:30need like this, this will fulfill me.
- 40:32And the easy thing for us to do is be like, OK, well, that felt
- 40:36good for 10 minutes, so now I don't feel good again.
- 40:40So the easy thing to do is just set a bigger goal and just go
- 40:43for the next thing. But once I started to like step
- 40:46back and realize I don't want to be all these people that I know
- 40:51who are in their 50s, sixties, 70s, and they're all empty.
- 40:55You know, they may have a billion dollars or $100 million
- 40:59or 10, whatever the case may be, but they're empty or may maybe
- 41:02they look. Great.
- 41:03Right. Yeah, right.
- 41:04They're not fulfilled. And they have that like that
- 41:06fear, that anxiety or that unfulfillment or that desire for
- 41:10more, right? And so that's kind of like that
- 41:14different journey, like that pursuit of fulfillment versus
- 41:17the pursuit of excellence. But then it's kind of I've been
- 41:19an identity crisis for me DJ, because then it's like, well,
- 41:23shit, now I'm I feel pretty good, Like I don't really have a
- 41:27desire to go get more, you know, like I don't.
- 41:30It doesn't that that drive for the excellence starts to just be
- 41:34like, I don't really have it right.
- 41:37Like I feel pretty good. I feel pretty content.
- 41:39Like I'm happy. I like to work out.
- 41:41I like to journal, I like to podcast, I like to do my things.
- 41:44And I don't need to be a billionaire anymore.
- 41:46But you know, six months, maybe a year ago, I was like, oh, I'm
- 41:49going to be a billionaire because I was just like grabbing
- 41:52on to that next thing. Yeah, Yeah.
- 41:55Oh, yeah. That's good.
- 41:57That's true. Oh yeah.
- 41:59I mean, and I think, wow, that's good.
- 42:04Yeah, I I've, I've, I mean, it's kind of like, you know, you, you
- 42:10hit something like identity crisis, right?
- 42:12Like IA lot of guys, I went through it like so many
- 42:16athletes, right? You look at the suicide rate
- 42:20after they leave the game and whatever sport they're playing,
- 42:22women, men, whatever, it's really high.
- 42:24A lot of people don't know this because all you were like that
- 42:29was your identity and now you were like like, like for me,
- 42:33right? I was kind of like this top
- 42:35prospect, kind of can't miss kid, right kind of thing and and
- 42:40like pull a different path, right.
- 42:42And so then when I left the game unplanned, but to raise my son
- 42:46and all that, yeah, I didn't want to go around my friends.
- 42:50I didn't want to go back to my own college and see my own
- 42:52coach. I didn't want to be around
- 42:53anybody because all he wanted to ask me was what happened?
- 42:57What happened, man, you should go back.
- 42:59No, you know what I mean? And it's it was like I was
- 43:02stuck. I was like in this like, because
- 43:05that was that was all I knew was baseball, like forever, right?
- 43:09My whole life until 25 or whatever, right.
- 43:14And so like for, for, you know, from the time I started playing
- 43:1820 years of my life, like that was my identity was like, I'm a
- 43:21baseball player, like that was it, right?
- 43:24And then and then that now you're, you're, you're, you're
- 43:28like you, you, you're lost. So I think that the same thing
- 43:31happens, right, when people chase the if it's only about the
- 43:34money or if it's only about the success or hey, let me get a
- 43:40bigger house or bigger car, right?
- 43:42And we know a lot of mutual people, I will mention them on
- 43:44here that have done that only to have their marriage blow up,
- 43:50only to have like, you know, affairs to have like, you know,
- 43:54drugs, right? And maybe and maybe suicide, you
- 43:58know, or even in jail, right? Like just went down a bad path.
- 44:03Remember, I think sometimes people that don't fix that they,
- 44:08they literally create more pain because they're used to it.
- 44:13It's familiar, right? Like I, I talked to Ryan Steuman
- 44:16once and he, he's great. And Ryan said to me, dude, I
- 44:20would dig. I would be so far done down
- 44:23digging. And I'm like at the bottom,
- 44:25everyone's like, dude, he can't go any lower.
- 44:27I'm like, no, I can go lower. You know what I mean?
- 44:29Like like digging. And it's like, that's what
- 44:32that's what we do, right? It's like until that, until that
- 44:36that trauma get fit. I, I love, we're talking about
- 44:40this because everyone always wants to just only talk about
- 44:43real estate and I'm like, oh God, like, you know what I mean?
- 44:46Yeah, we were talking about that.
- 44:48This is what this. Is what?
- 44:50Yeah, like you, you can't control a lot of external
- 44:53things, but you can control a lot of internal things.
- 44:57I control what I believe and what I don't believe.
- 44:59I can control my actions. I can control my habits, I can
- 45:04control my routine. I can control who I want to be
- 45:08friends with, who I want around me.
- 45:09Right. Like there we have so much
- 45:12control over over our lives that I don't, I think people, well,
- 45:18I'm just going to leave it to God and trust me.
- 45:20I'm I love Jesus. I'm, I'm like, I'm that's first
- 45:24in my life. But like there's, you know, you
- 45:28have the spiritual side and you have the mental side.
- 45:31You got to sharpen both axes, right?
- 45:33You can't just have like, I'm just going to, you know, and
- 45:36whatever happens, happens. Well, I mean, you still have to
- 45:40do the work, right? You still have to take action
- 45:42and, and you have to have faith and take that risk and go, hey
- 45:47man, I'm going to, I'm going to go for this.
- 45:49And like, if it's not meant to be like, if it doesn't work, I'm
- 45:53good with that. But like, I just, I just think
- 45:57like so many people, it's, it's, it's a world of self sabotage,
- 46:01self sabotage, limiting beliefs, lids on the on the thinking
- 46:05right. And all of these things until
- 46:08people go, OK, how do I how do I I I watched, I watched.
- 46:16I just told Greg this, this is great.
- 46:18This is good. I I watched a end my life when
- 46:21he asked me in 2021 when my divorce was finalized, we were
- 46:25together 18 years. What was it that that that what
- 46:31you know, that got me to take that jump, load up A2 seater
- 46:35Mercedes and everything else went into storage and I moved
- 46:38across the country with what I could fit in a two in a little
- 46:41convertible, right. I know why I didn't keep one of
- 46:44my other cars, but whatever, that's another story.
- 46:47But it's like, wow, man, like I I thought like leaving ball to
- 46:52raise my son was difficult. That was like crazy.
- 46:57Like I didn't realize. It's like jumping off a Cliff in
- 46:59the in the dark thinking the water's 10 feet and you're
- 47:03falling and you're falling, you're falling.
- 47:04You're like, oh, shit, like this is like harder than I thought,
- 47:07right. But if you want a different
- 47:10life, like you can't keep doing the same thing, expect a
- 47:13different result. And some people need to burn the
- 47:16damn boat. And just that's the sometimes
- 47:19that's the only solution. It is it easy?
- 47:22No, if it was easy, everyone would do it.
- 47:24But sometimes not saying every time, but sometimes certain
- 47:28things, if they're not healthy for you, dude, you need to burn
- 47:32the boat. And like there's no I'm I'm
- 47:35storming and taking the island or I'm going to die, but I ain't
- 47:39I can't I ain't going back. Like you just don't give
- 47:41yourself another option, right? I think I think more people just
- 47:46need to burn the boat. I do it.
- 47:48It's not easy, but the only like now I look back.
- 47:51I met my soul mate, right, who you know, Kristen love you,
- 47:55honey. I met Kristen.
- 47:57I, you know, met a lot of great friends, you know, and just and,
- 48:02you know, have a great extended family with her family.
- 48:05And it's just like, like that would have never happened had I
- 48:09not cut this off and cut off the old in order so the I could have
- 48:15the new. Because you can't straddle the
- 48:16fence, you can't play, you can't do both right.
- 48:19So yeah, I just, I think more people just need to just burn
- 48:24the boat. Yeah, I, I live.
- 48:26I used to be. It was so difficult for me to
- 48:30make decisions. I like, especially in
- 48:32relationships, because of the fear and because you don't know
- 48:37what you don't know, you don't know what's on the other side.
- 48:39You like I was like, who's going to love me?
- 48:41Who's going to be there for me? Who's going to take care of me?
- 48:43Like I've always been alone, like all these limiting beliefs,
- 48:46right? And all this fear.
- 48:47But I hired a my first coach mentor type person and he's just
- 48:54like, if it's not a hell yes, it's a hard no.
- 48:57Done any decision in your life. If it's not a hell yes, it's a
- 49:02hard no. And I started living by that
- 49:05moving forward. Who was that, if you don't mind
- 49:06me? Asking William Poet.
- 49:08OK. William Poet, he teaches
- 49:10energetic intelligence and he's the one that started to open up
- 49:14my whole mind to energy and protecting your energy and being
- 49:18in tune with what you do on a daily basis or who you're around
- 49:22or what work you're doing or whatever that energizes you and
- 49:26makes you expansive or. Or takes it away.
- 49:28Takes it away and that's how I knew I was like, OK, I was
- 49:32engaged at the time. I've been engaged.
- 49:34I say 2 1/2 times, but there's a whole story to that.
- 49:39We'll go with it. We'll go with.
- 49:40It yeah, 2 1/2 Beyoncé's right. And it's the same thing.
- 49:43It's like the embarrassment, the shame, the fear, the destroying,
- 49:48burning the boat, everything I've built, like ending the
- 49:51businesses we've built together, going back to a, a life that I
- 49:56didn't know without this person. And you know, it was just, I was
- 49:59so afraid. But when I heard that line, if
- 50:01it's not a hell yes, it's a hard no.
- 50:04And I knew right in my gut I was like, it's not a hell yes.
- 50:08And I left my fiance. And, and when you and when you
- 50:11when you do that and you burn the boat and you do it once,
- 50:16guess what happens the next time?
- 50:17It's easier, right? Right.
- 50:19And now you trust yourself, you gain confidence, you gain
- 50:22clarity. And now it's like you have
- 50:24another decision. It's like, oh, well, I made this
- 50:27hard decision. Like I'm yeah, this is going to
- 50:29work out, right? And that's kind of I, but so
- 50:32many people, I mean, it's crazy at your age how intelligent and
- 50:36how, how you went to really dive into work on the mindset.
- 50:40Like I, I, I think until somebody's 30, I think that's
- 50:45like the number one thing they should focus on is, is, is
- 50:48healing trauma, working on their mindset, their energy,
- 50:51practicing gratitude and really just, you know, really working
- 50:56on them, right? Because if you can, if you can
- 50:59get that done, But if you do everything else and and chase
- 51:03the money and build it, but you don't have that, it was it's
- 51:07like building a house on on. Saying yeah.
- 51:11It's going to collapse right at some.
- 51:13So but if you work on that first, but that's so hard to
- 51:16teach to tell young kids because they're seeing 22 year olds on
- 51:19on IG driving Lambos, right? So it's kind of like, yeah,
- 51:24that's, that's they want that. So, so they go out and chase
- 51:28that, but then they don't work on this and they don't work on
- 51:31this, and then they get it and then eventually down the road,
- 51:35at some point, they're just chasing empty, empty dreams.
- 51:40Right. And you know, all we ever have
- 51:42is this moment right now, like there's no past, there's no
- 51:45future. All we ever have is right now,
- 51:47right? And so if we can create a world
- 51:52where right now feels good and not just like a dopamine hit
- 51:56pleasure good, but like the things we're doing right now, we
- 52:00know is not going to harm us in the future either.
- 52:04It's going to it makes us feel good.
- 52:05Like whether it's the relationship that we're in, you
- 52:07know, if we're constantly feeling bad in the now with the
- 52:10partner that we're in, we have to leave that partner.
- 52:13Or if we're constantly feeling bad in the now with the business
- 52:16that we're in that we think we need to be in because our
- 52:18parents told us to or because it's the best money or whatever,
- 52:22or the job that someone told us to be in that we never feel good
- 52:25in. And like poet would teach me 90%
- 52:30of your now you should feel good.
- 52:33You know 10% of your life's going to suck because there's
- 52:36death, there's loss, there's pain, there's all these things,
- 52:39right? But if you get a 90%, that's an
- 52:41A in life. And if you know that 90% of my
- 52:44days of my moments of my life and my now are good, like that's
- 52:48the best life I could live. It doesn't matter what all the
- 52:50other stuff is, whether I made this much or I looked this good
- 52:54or whatever. It's like if you can feel good
- 52:5690% of the time, then that is a really, really good life.
- 53:01And it makes the decisions so much easier because it's like no
- 53:04matter how scary leaving your comfort zone is or leaving
- 53:11whatever situation you're in is, if it's not a hell yes for you
- 53:16and you are not feeling good 90% of the time.
- 53:19It's a hard no. It's a hard no.
- 53:21And there's a better, there's something better for you out
- 53:23there. And I know like once I've
- 53:25started, I remember that feeling of that, that immense fear, like
- 53:29I'm gonna die if I leave the situation.
- 53:31Like I am so afraid. But I'm in so much pain being
- 53:35here. Like the only thing harder than
- 53:36leaving is staying right then. But looking back, I'm like, Oh
- 53:40my God, thank God that I left. I can't imagine if I hadn't like
- 53:43now I have an amazing partner and I have an amazing life and
- 53:46an amazing business and I feel good truly 90% of the time.
- 53:50I would say I'm probably closer to like 95.
- 53:53But yeah. And it's just just getting over
- 53:56that fear and taking like having faith in if it's not a hell yes,
- 54:00it's a hard no. And it's not like giving up the
- 54:02first sign of difficulty. But it when you try and try and
- 54:06put the effort in and, you know, try to make the business work as
- 54:10much as you possibly can, try to make the relationship worth work
- 54:13as much as you possibly can. But at some point, Insanity is
- 54:16doing the same thing over and over, expecting different
- 54:18results. Love is patient, love is kind,
- 54:21is slow to anger, doesn't keep record of right and wrong.
- 54:24All those the you know, the biblical definition of love.
- 54:29When I when my brother told me this, he's like, dude, you
- 54:32weren't in love. That's not what you had was not
- 54:35love. You might say I love you, but
- 54:37that was it. And I was like, Oh my God, it's
- 54:40right in front of me, right? So if we can, if we can look at
- 54:44that and say, this is what, you know, for believers, right?
- 54:47This is what the Bible says love is.
- 54:48If it's not, if it's the opposite of this, I need to get
- 54:51out like that's that, like it's not.
- 54:54Believers are not believers. That's what love is.
- 54:56Yeah, yeah. And well, true.
- 54:58Yeah, Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
- 55:00So I think, I think that and then the energy audit, right.
- 55:03I learned this from Trevor Mock. My buddy is taking your write
- 55:07down all the things you do and then on the left hand side, draw
- 55:11a line down the middle and on the right and then you start
- 55:15moving things over. That's still your energy.
- 55:18Because a lot of times entrepreneurs and business
- 55:20people, we do things to make money, but we freaking hate
- 55:23doing it right. So either.
- 55:25So I always tell people you got to find what you, you got to
- 55:29find something you love and what you have to do until you can do
- 55:32what you love to do every day like you just do, even if you
- 55:36don't like it, you have to find something that you love in it.
- 55:40And because that's a mindset, right?
- 55:43And now you're training your mind like I'm always looking for
- 55:46the good and anything that I do. So I think I always tell people
- 55:50that, but it is, it's an energy audit.
- 55:52We get stuck as we're growing a business or whatever, doing
- 55:55things that don't fire us up. Like for me, I know what fires
- 55:59me up. It's it's helping my team be
- 56:02better. Like I used to think it was
- 56:04other things. It's helped my team be better
- 56:05people, right? And closing deals.
- 56:11It's cool helping people, coaching and mentoring them.
- 56:14That's that's my fire. Like that's what that's my jam.
- 56:18Like call me, I'll help you close it, right?
- 56:20Kind of thing. Like that's where that that
- 56:23fills me, right? So I think is as you especially
- 56:27entrepreneurs, you got to understand that, yeah, you have
- 56:30to do certain things that you don't want to do when you're
- 56:32first starting especially. But as you, as you get, as you
- 56:36get, as you're growing a business, you've got to start
- 56:39looking at, hey, what are the things that that one I'm really
- 56:43good at, but you might be really good at something, but hate to
- 56:46do it. Well, probably shouldn't do it.
- 56:50Right. That's like the buy back your
- 56:51time by Dan Martel and doing the audit.
- 56:53Yeah. And as you grow and scale, you
- 56:56start to hire out the things that you're either not good at
- 56:59or that you don't like and you start to scale.
- 57:02And then eventually you're just doing what you're really good at
- 57:05and you love to do. And then you have a team because
- 57:08what what you're not good at or you don't like to do, other
- 57:10people are good at and do like to do.
- 57:12So like that's their unique gift.
- 57:14And you start to delegate and and buy back your time from
- 57:17hiring and and building a. Team people think well you know
- 57:20they're stuck right my mind monsters well if I got it you
- 57:23know I've heard well if it's got to be done right I got to do it.
- 57:27I used to think that like oh if I got it no dude dummy record a
- 57:32video DJ and like save the video on how to do it and then
- 57:39eventually teach somebody how to do it.
- 57:42The biggest mistake that I made, Hannah, is I would tell every
- 57:46entrepreneur watching this, when you're building a company, even
- 57:49if you're solo initially record every freaking thing that you're
- 57:53doing from a training standpoint.
- 57:55When you have sales calls or training calls with your team,
- 57:58record all of them and create SOP's out of those and things,
- 58:02right? But create a video library.
- 58:04Now when you grow your team, you already have like they can go on
- 58:07and watch the video training instead of you constantly
- 58:10training people, right? I didn't do that until recently.
- 58:12And now AI can help you build all those things.
- 58:16God. Yeah, you can have an AI clone
- 58:19now. Joe has one.
- 58:21You can ask him anything, and it has everything Joe's ever said
- 58:23in his entire life. You could ask his clone.
- 58:26It's amazing. But I know we have to wrap up
- 58:29here soon, but I want to ask some of these questions that are
- 58:33just kind of tactical for people.
- 58:35So do you have a daily mindset, practice or routine that helps
- 58:38you always stay on top of your game and like get over any
- 58:40obstacles that come your way? Yeah, from a Oh yeah, from well,
- 58:45when I, when I have my routine in the morning, right, the the
- 58:48praying, the meditating, the gratitude, the swim, having my
- 58:51coffee like, and in doing my manifesting, that sets me in
- 58:57like a happy vortex, right. So that kind of creates my like
- 59:00a Ramix that creates my vortex around me like a like the
- 59:03tornado that OK, I'm good. And then and then now I just try
- 59:07to carry that as as far as I can through the day.
- 59:11And when something hits me because it it does every day,
- 59:16knowing one that, hey, it's OK, like I've got a great team and
- 59:20this and it and at some point this is going to be fine and
- 59:23it's all going to work out. So I'm not going to sweat it,
- 59:26right? I'm not going to get super
- 59:27worked up on it, right. So I think I think knowing like
- 59:31for me that the hack is knowing that it's it's all going to work
- 59:36out at some point. It doesn't matter.
- 59:37A tenant didn't pay you're you have to evict someone, someone
- 59:40tells your you know, on your team member, you know, screw
- 59:42yourself, you're going to have to evict me.
- 59:43I'll see you in court, whatever it is, right.
- 59:46Like it's like, OK, at some point, dude, it might be a
- 59:49month, it might be two months, it might they're going to be
- 59:51they're going to be out. We're going to have the place
- 59:53fixed and it's going to be re rented to the right person.
- 59:55So like just go through the process.
- 59:57So I think knowing like when you run into obstacles, that's where
- 1:00:03having. The right mindset, so people
- 1:00:05people want to like professionals practice more than
- 1:00:10they play, right? And most people go on and all
- 1:00:14they do is play, but they're not practicing.
- 1:00:16So they're not prepared for when those things come up.
- 1:00:19But if you're prepared when those things come up, now you
- 1:00:24now you're prepared now it's they're easier to handle, right?
- 1:00:27So I think being prepared for unforeseen and knowing in
- 1:00:31advance, like, hey, if something comes up, I'm just gonna deal
- 1:00:34with it. I'm gonna stay positive.
- 1:00:35I'm gonna do my best not to get worked up or get pissed off or
- 1:00:38whatever, and I'm just gonna deal with it, right?
- 1:00:40I had to deal with that last week.
- 1:00:41My son missed his flight. I was like, wow DJ, stay calm.
- 1:00:46Stay calm. You know what I mean?
- 1:00:48Like and you just want to go, dude, that's the that's right,
- 1:00:53What the hell, right, like what the hell?
- 1:00:55But then it's like, no, just just chill.
- 1:00:58It's cool and, and literally within 10 minutes, I was like
- 1:01:02completely over the whole thing, like like I didn't have the, I
- 1:01:05wasn't holding on to the motion. I was enjoying time with my
- 1:01:09assistant and people that I was with.
- 1:01:10And it was, it was, it was great.
- 1:01:12You know, so I think I think that what if, if you can work
- 1:01:16on, I call it in baseball, we call it leading the bat at bat,
- 1:01:20the bat at bat, it's a bat at bat.
- 1:01:23I got to detach no and no, I have two or three or four other
- 1:01:26at bats and I have to go play in the field.
- 1:01:29So I can't take this in the field because then I'm going to
- 1:01:31Jack the right. I'm going to make an error right
- 1:01:33or whatever. So everything compounds right.
- 1:01:37So the good compounds, especially with people that,
- 1:01:42that are it, well, in sports, you see it a lot, but it happens
- 1:01:46in business when good, when things are going good, the good
- 1:01:49stuff's compounding. When things are going bad, the
- 1:01:51bad stuff's compounding. So you got to be able to reset
- 1:01:54quickly and, and take that deep breath and have something that
- 1:01:58you do that resets you so you can, you can get back to that
- 1:02:03vortex, right? And, and now you have the the
- 1:02:07mindset and the space and energy to attract the things you want
- 1:02:10instead of the things you don't want, you know?
- 1:02:13That's so good. And when you're in a state of
- 1:02:15flow, I love like the morning routine and just anything in
- 1:02:17life, right? It's when things knock, when
- 1:02:20you're in a state of flow, like an athlete hitting every ball,
- 1:02:24right, where you just keep hitting, you keep having the
- 1:02:26outcome that you want, then you're five times more
- 1:02:28productive. So you can work less and you can
- 1:02:30do a lot less time and still be more productive.
- 1:02:33And so it's important to have your employees try to be in a
- 1:02:36state of flow too. So I have that same morning
- 1:02:38routine, like I get by myself, so peak performance and in the
- 1:02:41best state I could possibly so I can perform the best in my work
- 1:02:45and have the best life possible. And when something knocks you
- 1:02:49out of flow, that ability to recognize like, OK, that was a
- 1:02:53trigger. My son was his flight.
- 1:02:54I'm feeling these, you know, this, this, these emotions.
- 1:02:57How quickly can you get back into a state of flow?
- 1:03:00So it doesn't knock you off your.
- 1:03:02Yep, that's it. Yeah.
- 1:03:04So that's it. And then what is?
- 1:03:09If you could give advice to your 20 year old self, what would it
- 1:03:13be? Stop chasing women.
- 1:03:17Yeah. That would probably be the
- 1:03:19number one thing. Like, dude, dude, they're gonna
- 1:03:21be there. Trust.
- 1:03:22Me. You were quick to answer that
- 1:03:23one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 1:03:24That was that was my Achilles heel.
- 1:03:27Probably every man, right? That's the honest answer.
- 1:03:31But no, I think, I think I would.
- 1:03:34I would tell my younger self, one, everything's gonna work out
- 1:03:41right? 2 is that you, you know the, the
- 1:03:48thing I talked about earlier that you have so much more
- 1:03:51control over your circumstances then you then you even realize,
- 1:03:55right? So DJI want you to understand
- 1:03:58that you can control what you believe.
- 1:04:01You can control your energy, you can control your routine, you
- 1:04:05can control the effort that you put in everyday.
- 1:04:08You can control all of these things.
- 1:04:11So instead of like focus on the controllables, right?
- 1:04:15So many times we, we give energy and, and, and focus on the
- 1:04:18things we can't control. But if people could realize the
- 1:04:22things I can control, I'm going to just focus on giving as much
- 1:04:25energy as I can to those. And the things I can't control,
- 1:04:29I'm going to let them kind of just kind of run off my back the
- 1:04:31best I can because I can't, I can't control it.
- 1:04:34So getting sideways on it and giving it a bunch of energy and
- 1:04:38frustration and all that. Why can't it?
- 1:04:40It's I can't control it anyway, right.
- 1:04:42So I think like really, if I told my younger self like it's
- 1:04:47going to be good, you're going to have a great life and
- 1:04:50everything's going to work out. And then and then 2 is, well,
- 1:04:57one is stop chasing women, right?
- 1:04:59But but, but you know, yeah, just control the controllables
- 1:05:04and the things that you can't control, just let them go.
- 1:05:09And and you know, I think like that to me, that would have
- 1:05:13served me the best as an entrepreneur.
- 1:05:16And so that's why I say that because people give so much
- 1:05:20energy to like, you know, I need more leads and the leads sucker.
- 1:05:25I don't know what whatever, you know, like in real estate,
- 1:05:27right? And it's like, it's like, you
- 1:05:30know, and also I would tell my younger self, dude, you need
- 1:05:36this. Actually, this is probably the
- 1:05:38number one thing I would have told my younger self, you ready?
- 1:05:41I would say whatever you want to do in life, you need to believe
- 1:05:49at such an insane level that people think that your swagger
- 1:05:55is like a little arrogant, right?
- 1:05:58Like, like, dude, you have to believe you're so much better
- 1:06:01than you are at whatever you do. And if you do that, if you only
- 1:06:06do that and that's all you do, you're going to have a great
- 1:06:10life, you know, So I think, I think that, you know, the, the
- 1:06:15belief is, is it's, it's where everything stems from.
- 1:06:18You believe you can, you believe you can't, You're right.
- 1:06:21So I think, I think the, the belief is, is probably the
- 1:06:25biggest thing. And that would have helped me
- 1:06:27when I was young and I wouldn't have had the high highs and low
- 1:06:30lows. I would have been able to go no,
- 1:06:32man, I'm good, I'm great. Like I'm going to I'm going to
- 1:06:35be in the Major League. I never saw myself in the major
- 1:06:37leagues. I had a tough time seeing myself
- 1:06:40and as I started playing pro ball and I don't know why I
- 1:06:43don't know why, right, some self sabotage, whatever.
- 1:06:47I don't talk about it much, but like that's one thing I would
- 1:06:50have said no, dude, like dude, do you know I had to do coaches?
- 1:06:53Do you know how good you are, dude?
- 1:06:55Like you're, you're like, you're better than Matt Williams at his
- 1:06:59age, who was a Giants third baseman All Star of a year,
- 1:07:02leading league in home runs RB. Like, dude, you're better than
- 1:07:04Matt Williams when he was 20 years old.
- 1:07:06Do you realize that? And I was like, no, but it
- 1:07:09didn't hit me, you know what I mean?
- 1:07:11Didn't hit me. So I think, yeah, I think the
- 1:07:15the belief is like you just you've got to find that dig down
- 1:07:22and you just got to start. People say, well, how do you do
- 1:07:26it? Well, you just do it.
- 1:07:27Yeah, I mean, right, so. Yeah, that's what I just posted
- 1:07:31on my story a couple days ago is almost every successful person
- 1:07:34in the world had, has, or had a delusional belief in themself
- 1:07:39it. Yeah, that's it.
- 1:07:42Yeah, that's it. Well, thank you.
- 1:07:44I appreciate you being here. And.
- 1:07:46Excited to get to know you more and share this podcast?
- 1:07:49Yeah, yeah. Thank you.