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America Needs To Do Some Soul Searching | Episode 10 · The Augarius Williams Show

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Speaker 2: And if you ask that question, you would be one
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Speaker 1: I usually do episodes on Tuesday, and I want to
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just say at the outset, don't let this episode distract
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from the fact that we will be back on Tuesday
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breaking down some more of the biggest political stories. President
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Trump announced the other day that he is sending the
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National Guard to Memphis. I have thoughts on that. I
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also have thoughts on the House of Representative's latest effort
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to stall the release of all the Jeffrey Epstein files.
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And I also just want to talk to you guys
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in general about the sense of our political landscape in
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this age of Donald Trump. So all of that will
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come your way on Tuesday, but on this particular episode,
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I want to divert from what President Trump is doing.
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Speaker 2: I want to divert from talk of.
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Speaker 1: The twenty twenty six mid terms, the twenty twenty eight
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general election, all that stuff, because I want to use
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this episode to talk to you guys as honestly as
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I've ever done on this podcast. I strive on every
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single episode to talk to you guys very bluntly, very frankly,
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and very openly about the things that are on my mind.
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Speaker 2: And none of those things will change today.
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Speaker 1: So before I get started, I want to give out
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my general disclaimer that I give out at the beginning
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of each and every episode. This podcast is not intended
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for snowflakes. It's not intended for people who can't handle
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tough conversations. So with that out of the way, now
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that we've got those people away from the podcast, you
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and I that can handle on this conversations, you and
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I that can handle tough topics, we're together now.
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Speaker 2: It's just you and I. So let's go ahead and
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dive right into it, shall we.
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Speaker 1: I don't have any real idea about what I'm going
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to title this episode. Usually I already have the title
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of the episode picked out before I get started, but
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that's not the case with this episode, because frankly, I
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don't know where my commentary is gonna go pertaining to
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this episode. I know who and what we're gonna talk about,
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but I just don't know what kind of a conversation
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will ensue from the initial points that I want to make.
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So hence the reason why you won't hear me mention
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a title of the episode during the episode. So as
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we've all heard by now, back on September tenth in Orm, Utah,
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Charlie Kirk, founder of Turning Point USA, was gunned down
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while participating in one of his now famous college debates
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by Tyler Robinson, allegedly twenty two years old from Utah,
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turned himself in.
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Speaker 2: Yesterday.
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Speaker 1: If I do remember correctly, at the urging of his
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father as well as at the urging of a youth
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pastor that the family knows very well, Charlie Kirk was
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one of those people. If we're being honest, Charlie Kirk
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is one of those people. That's gonna leave behind a very,
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very complicated legacy. And I say complicated because if you've
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paid attention to the response to his passing, that in
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itself will tell you that, you know what, Charlie Kirk
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was not as universally loved as people on the conservative
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side of the spectrum would have us believe. If you
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listen to them talk, they would have you believe that
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everybody and their grandmother is gonna miss Charlie Kirk. But
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as we've been seeing, people have been rejoicing at his passing,
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people have not shown any ounce of empathy about his passing.
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And you have some people who frankly, just don't care
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that he passed away. They're dealing with things in their lives.
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They've been involved in situations where they've wanted people to
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come and aid and comfort them, and they've not had
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that in their life. So they're sending back saying to themselves,
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why the hell should I concern myself with Charlie Kirk
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passing away? When I'm pretty sure if the shoe was
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on the other foot, if I passed away, I couldn't
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get nearly the same sympathy as he's been getting. So
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the shooting of Charlie Kirk occurred at around twelve twenty
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three Mountain time. That was around one twenty three where
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I'm at here in Mississippi. I'll tell you guys the
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story of how I found out that he had been killed.
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I was about to take a nap and I was
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strolling Twitter, and all of a sudden, I saw in
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the I guess you could call it the notification section
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of the trend what's trending section, that's where it was.
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A story was there saying a shooting had occurred at
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a Charlie Kirk Turning Point USA event. And I click
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on it because I was readily familiar with who Charlie
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Kirk was, and I clicked on the story and instantly
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it took me to this treasure trove of different Twitter
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accounts or x accounts talking about what it just happened,
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or on utah. And as I kept scrolling, and once
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it became known at that point that Charlie Kirk was
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the intended target of the shooting, that's when I finally
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saw for the first time that his shooting had been
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captured on video, which I kind of knew was going
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to be a possibility because we are in twenty twenty five,
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and nearly everything that happens is recorded in some shape,
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form or fashion. So I see the video, the one
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from Afar. You see Charlie Kirk take a question from
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Hunter Kozak, who's a Utah Valley University undergraduate student, and
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his question went as follows, quote, do you know how
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many mass shootings there have been in America over the
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last ten years in the quote? And that's when Charlie
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Kirk picked up his microphone and said the following quote
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counting or not counting gun violence in the quote. And
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the next thing you know, you hear a gunshot and
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you see the bullet enter the left side of Charlie
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Kirk's neck and he immediately falls over to his left
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side before just completely crashing to the ground. So that
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was the first video I saw. The second video I
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saw was the one from the up close perspective where
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you clearly saw Charlie Kirk take that bullet to the
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left side of his throat. You started to see blood,
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gut shouted that wound, and he fell to the floor. Now,
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immediately after he was shot, people started running for their
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lives because they didn't know if Charlie Kirk was the
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sole target, or if the assassin was looking to take
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out various other people, but as we've all come to know,
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at this particular point, Charlie Kirk was the only intended
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target of mister Tyler Robinson. So immediately after the shooting,
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Charlie Kirk is loaded into an SUV. He's taken to
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a nearby hospital where he was listed under critical condition.
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About an hour or two later, that's when President Trump
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announced via true Social that Charlie Kirk had passed at
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the age of thirty one. Immediately after that news broke
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and all the news outlets started to cover it in
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their own way. That's when we started to see countless reactions,
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countless different.
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Speaker 2: Reactions to what had happened.
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Speaker 1: You had people balling their eyes out that Charlie Kirk
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had been killed. You had people rejoicing at the fact
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that he'd been killed. And you had people who went
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on about their life doing whatever it is that they do.
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Before I go any further, I want to go back
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to the episode that I produce for you guys Tuesday.
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In that particular episode, I made it abundantly clear that
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I was not a fan of Charlie Kirk, and I
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gave you guys the reason as to why I was
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not a fan of Charlie Kirk. I think Charlie Kirk
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was someone that MAGA relied upon to get people to
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understand the idiosyncrecies of the MAGA movement. I said in
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that episode that Charlie Kirk, amongst others, is one of
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those people that you could always count on to be
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there when MAGA needs him. And now I use more
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profane terminology, but I said what I said. Do I
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retract what I said, Absolutely not, because one thing that
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I've learned going through life is that when you say something,
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stand on it. That's what's been so popularized over the
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course of the past few years.
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Speaker 2: Right stand on business.
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Speaker 1: So I said what I said last Tuesday about Charlie Kirk,
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so I'm going to stand on it. I think Charlie
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Kirk or Charlie Kirk, was someone that MAGA just completely loved,
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or that the White House truly loved, because he could
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disseminate what they wanted, disseminated in a way.
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Speaker 2: That people could grasp.
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Speaker 1: So the Magam movement took a loss with the death
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of Charlie Kirk. The Trump White House took a massive
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loss with the death of Charlie Kirk, because Charlie Kirk
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was the one who, in my opinion, single handedly put
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Donald Trump back in the White House. Charlie Kirk was
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the one who used Turning Point in USA to mobilize
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the vote in key battleground states. Why do you think
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Donald Trump was able to capture Pennsylvania, which nearly put
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him over the top over Kamla Harris. Why do you
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think Donald Trump was able to sweep the other six
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battleground states because of people like Charlie Kirk using their
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operation to make sure that they were able to get people.
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In Charlie's case, young people out to the polls to
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cast their vote for Donald Trump. So he was very
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influential when it came to mobilizing the youth vote, which
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is one of the reasons why he made it a
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point of emphasis to go on college campuses to debate
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college students so that way he could open their mind
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up to things that they may not have thought about
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going to say it university. Charlie Kirk was one of
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those people who thought that if students went to quote
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unquote liberal colleges and universities that they would be indoctrinated
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to the point where if you try to reason with
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them with another point of view, they wouldn't want to
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hear it because they'd been so radicalized by view that
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doesn't take both sides of the political spectrum into account.
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Forgive me if there are pauses throughout this episode. I
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don't have anything written down. This is my first time
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talking about this at length, because I want you guys
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to feel the rawness and the realness from this conversation.
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Immediately after it became known to all of us that
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Charlie Kirk had died, you have people saying, well, America's doomed,
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America's a sick place. Evil has overtaken the United States
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of America. And I just sat back and said, with
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all due respects, I was thinking this, with all due respect,
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where have you guys been. America's been doomed for a
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while now. America is not the same country that he
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used to be. In certain aspects. Charlie Kirk's death did
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not bring about the doom of America. America's doom has
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already been here, and it seems like the clouds of
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doom just continued to get darker and darker and darker. Also,
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you had people on the conservative side of the spectrum
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after Charlie Kirk's death calling for political retribution, calling for violence.
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If we're all led to believe that there should be
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no forms of political violence that should ever be tolerated,
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then my question becomes, why call for violence if you
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guys are tired of seeing political violence overtake the political landscape.
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If I'm tired of people cheating on someone that they
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claim to love, why would I go out there and
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engage in the same thing that I'm telling people to
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walk away from. I'm not gonna go out there and
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cheat on my girlfriend while also telling other people to
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stop cheating on them, or telling other guys to stop
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cheating on theirs.
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Speaker 2: That would just be very pointless to do that.
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Speaker 1: And I feel that it was very pointless for certain
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conservatives to come out and say, we need to fight
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fire with fire. They took one of our own, so
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we need to take one of theirs. We need to
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show them that we're not gonna sit by and take it.
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But what you noticed is that the temperature quickly changed
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once it became known that Tyler Robinson, Charlie Kirk's alleged
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assassin came from a family that was predominantly Maga. The
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talks of political violence have quickly simmered down once it
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became known that he came from a Republican family. From
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what's being reported, Tyler Robinson didn't think Charlie Kirk was
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far right enough. He wanted Charlie Kirk to essentially become
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like Nick Fluentis.
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Speaker 2: That's who he wanted Charlie Kirk to become.
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Speaker 1: He felt like if Charlie Kirk couldn't get to that point,
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then he should be eliminated because he wasn't helping the cause.
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Now I'm putting words in his mouth, and it'd be
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interesting to hear the sole definite reason why he did
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what he did, because hearing other people talk for him
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is not helping us get any closer to trying to
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figure out why he took the action that he took
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back on September tenth. Of course, after any kind of
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quote unquote political violence, you have people on both sides
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of the spectrum coming out saying that we need to
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lure the temperature in the room. There's no room for
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political violence. This should never be tolerated. How many times
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have we heard that. When Donald Trump was shot last
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year in Butler, Pennsylvania on July thirteenth, we heard these
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same calls coming from some of the same people to
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luwer the temperature in the room. And what happened once
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it became known that Donald Trump number one survived the
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shooting and that number two, Donald Trump, came out of
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that shooting more popular than he was prior to it
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happened the political jargon was turned back up to one hundred.
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Donald Trump being a Nazi, donald Trump being a fascist,
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donald Trump being an authoritarian, Donald Trump wanted to take
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away basic American freedoms. All of those things were echoed
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after it seemed that Donald Trump got even more popular
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after being shot. At this point, when people start talking
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about trying to lure the temperature in the room, I
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just scoff at that, because the temperature will never be lowered,
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because when it comes down to winning an election, you'll
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do whatever it takes to make sure that your opponent
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is vilified in the worst way possible. That's what they
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did with Donald Trump, and that's what some people did
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with Charlie Kirk.
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Speaker 2: Now I want to have this conversation.
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Speaker 1: Because if I don't this whole episode, the content of
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it at least will be lost in translation. There are
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people who've made it abundantly clear that they have no
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empathy for Charlie Kirk being shot and killed because in
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their mind they feel that you live by the sword,
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you die by the sword. That phrase, if I remember correctly,
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is in the Bible. I think it's in the Book
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of Matthew. I think, if I'm not mistaken, if I
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know scripture like I think I do, that phrase or
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that yeah, that phrase in another connotation is in the Bible.
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Speaker 2: And once again I think it's in Matthew.
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Speaker 1: If you want to be remembered fondly when you pass,
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you should do things in life that would cause people.
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Speaker 2: To remember you.
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Speaker 1: Finally, and there have been various instances over the life
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of Charlie Kirk where he said things that caused people
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to sit back and say, why should I feel any
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sort of empathy about him?
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Speaker 2: Being taken out of the equation.
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Speaker 1: After he was killed, most Conservatives' first line of attack
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was to criticize those on the left. His blood is
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on their hands. They should be ashamed of themselves. And
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once again, one once still led shooter was found or
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once still led shooter turned himself in. Let's tell the
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truth in Shane the Devil, once still led shooter turned
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himself in, and once it was reported that he came
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from a family that backed Donald Trump, you heard those
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same people try to turn it down a little bit.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, we should pray for him. We don't
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know what happened.
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Speaker 1: Hopefully he can take time to find Jesus as Charlie
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Kirk would have wanted him to. So it went from
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the left being vile, satanic, demonic people to finding out
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the shooter was a Republican or coming from a Republican family. Oh,
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we just need to pray for him, try to figure
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out why he had so much hatred in his heart
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to do what he did.
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Speaker 2: At the end of the day, when it's all said and.
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Speaker 1: Done, I want to use this platform to try to
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understand both sides of the political spectrum. And I think
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now more than ever it's important to have platforms like
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the one I have to do just that.
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Speaker 2: So to all of you conservatives out there.
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Speaker 1: Who can't understand why certain Democrats and why a large
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pocket of the black population feels no empathy towards Charlie Kirk,
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let me be sort of your god to understanding why
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people feel the way that they do when it comes
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to black people. Those who feel no empathy about about
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Charlie Kirk's past, the reason for that is because it
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seemed like, over the course of his life, Charlie Kirk
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never really had much fun things to say about black people.
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If I remember correctly, this is the same person who
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called doctor Martin Luther King Junior awful. He also said
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that he was not a good person like This is
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also the same Charlie Kirk who didn't have great things
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to say about George Floyd, didn't have great things to
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say about Trayvon Martin, name anybody else you want to
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throw in there. This is also the same Charlie Kirk
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that attacked in numerous ways the Civil Rights Act of
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nineteen sixty four. This is also the same Charlie Kirk
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that said when he got on a flight and found
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out that the pilot was black, that he would worry
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about the flight, making it for one place to another essential.
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Speaker 2: This is the same Charlie Kirk who railed against DEI.
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Speaker 1: The same Charlie Kirk who, outside of a few black conservatives,
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you didn't really see around too many black people.
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Speaker 2: I'm just telling the truth.
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Speaker 1: As I often state, the truth doesn't operate in emotions,
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and the truth doesn't operate in feelings.
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Speaker 2: The truth will.
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Speaker 1: Operate in the truth twenty four hours a day, seven
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days a week, three hundred and sixty five days of
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the year. Of course, unless you find yourself in a leapyard,
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then it goes to three sixty six. Charlie Kirk had
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no love for liberals because in his mind, liberals are
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the ones that are destroying the country. They're the ones
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that are ripping apart the fabric of what made in
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his eyes, America such a great place to call home.
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He's the one that railed against single parent households. He's
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the one that, basically, under no circumstance, was in favor
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of abortion, even if it came the rape incense or
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the life of the mother was at state. You never
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heard him talk about having exceptions when it comes to abortion. Me,
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on the other hand, I think there should be exceptions
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rape incests or the life of the mothers at state.
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And the thing is too for those of you on
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the conservative side. And I'm gonna talk to you on
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the liberal side here in a minute. Most people aren't
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happy that Charlie Kirk was shot and killed. They're just
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not surprised by it, because when you say things like
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Charlie Kirk said throughout his life, you shouldn't be surprised
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when you're met with a violent inn. That's how certain
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people think. I remember or not remember, but I do.
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I remember reading this when Malcolm X was assassinated on
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February the twenty first of nineteen sixty five at the
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Audubon Ballroom in Harlem. A few days after that, the
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Nation of Islam held their annual Savers Savior's Day in Chicago,
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and it was Lewis Farakhan who introduced Elijah Muhammad. Elijah
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Muhammad got to the microphone and basically said that Malcolm
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preached violence and he died by violence. And that's how
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a lot of people are looking at the death of
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Charlie Kirk. He talked about a lot of violent things,
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so he met a violent inn. And we've all heard
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that before in some shape form of fashion. The life
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you live is the life you live vias the life
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you die by. And Charlie Kirk said a lot of
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things that a lot of people felt perpetrated violence. So
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that's why they weren't shocked when he met a violent inn.
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Malcolm X said something following the death of President Kennedy
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on November twenty second, nineteen sixty three, that his death
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was essentially the chickens coming home to roost. And that's
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how a lot of people feel on the left in
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the black community about Charlie Kirk's passing, that the chickens
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are coming home to roost. You can't spew all these
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vile things and not expect for vile things to happen
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to you, like you want to talk about certain pockets
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of the population and viole terms. Don't be surprised when
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you find yourself staring down the barrel of a vile gun.
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There are also people who are looking at this in
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a more religious connotation. All that we've been hearing when
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it comes to Charlie Kirk for the past couple of
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days since he was killed, is how big of a
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man of God he was. And you have people that
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are saying, well, why should I feel empathetic about Charlie Kirk?
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Why should I care that he was a man of
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God when he basically had no problem with the senseless
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slaughter of innocent people, especially children in gods. Doesn't the
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Bible command us to love our neighbor. Charlie Kirk had
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no love once again for certain pockets of the population.
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So people who are looking at his death from a
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religious standpoint are saying, well, if he was such a
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man of God, then shouldn't he have had more empathy
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in his heart for those less fortunate, those who suffer,
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those who have no affiliation to a group that essentially
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oversees their part of Palestine and they're being killed as
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a result. And speaking of empathy, wasn't Charlie Kirk the
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same person who said that empathy was something made up?
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If I remember correctly, that's what he said. Charlie Kirk
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said the following about empathy. I want to read this.
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He said this during the episode of his show back
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on October twelfth of twenty twenty two.
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Speaker 2: I can't stand the word empathy.
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Speaker 1: Actually, I think empathy is a made up new age
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term that it does a lot of damage. In the quote,
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So for those of you on the conservative side, you're
31:34
asking people to be empathetic about Charlie Kirk when Charlie
31:37
Kirk was the person who himself did not believe in
31:41
being empathetic. He also said during that exchange that he
31:54
preferred sympathy over empathy, So y'all can take that however
32:02
you want.
32:04
Speaker 2: He didn't want anybody to be empathetic.
32:11
Speaker 1: Because, according to his logic, he thought empathy was very
32:15
effective when it comes to politics.
32:23
Speaker 2: So don't you think honestly that it's very hypocritical.
32:31
Speaker 1: To ask people to be empathetic of Charlie Kirk when
32:36
he didn't even like the term empathy. Another thing that
32:50
people are bringing up when it comes to him is
32:57
when he said the fallowing about gun depths, quote, it's worth, unfortunately,
33:15
to have several gun deaths every year so we can
33:18
have the Second Amendment. I'm not making any of this up.
33:25
You do a quick search, you use rock, you use chat, GPT,
33:30
or whatever AI engine you want to use, and you
33:33
find what I'm telling you.
33:38
Speaker 2: So it's very ironic to people that this guy.
33:44
Speaker 1: Said that sometimes gun deaths are necessary to protect basic
33:48
the Second Amendment.
33:51
Speaker 2: And the irony is that he died.
33:56
Speaker 1: By someone exercising their Second Amendment, the right to bear arms. Now,
34:05
we know those of us that are Christian at heart
34:15
that the Ten Commandments are one of the Ten Commandments
34:18
commands us not to kill. Thou shall not kill, among others,
34:25
and we should never, in any shape form of fashion,
34:30
be okay with killing someone unless it's in self defense.
34:38
When you're defending your life or the life of loved
34:42
ones in self defense, that's different. But conservatives, they love
34:55
to talk about Democrats encroaching on their Second Amendment right
35:01
to bare arms, and most people find it to be
35:07
very ironic that Charlie Kirk was taken out by someone
35:14
utilizing the Second Amendment. Another reason why people.
35:23
Speaker 2: Have been.
35:25
Speaker 1: None so empathetic about Charlie Kirk's passing. And this one
35:29
kind of goes to the black community. Most black people
35:36
just didn't know about Charlie Kirk because most black people
35:40
are not plugged in to.
35:44
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna be honest. I grew up around black people.
35:48
Speaker 1: I've been around black people all twenty four years of
35:51
my life, going on twenty five next month, Lord Willard.
35:54
So this is how I know that what I'm saying
35:57
is one hundred percent true, especially when it comes to
35:59
older black people. Most black people are not just tuned
36:04
in to the political spectrum like white people.
36:11
Speaker 2: It's just the truth.
36:14
Speaker 1: Most Black people that I know don't vote because they
36:18
realize that at the end of the day, it's a
36:20
rid game that Hey, at the end of the day,
36:26
it doesn't matter who you put in there, you're gonna
36:27
get the same things just gonna be given to you,
36:30
sometimes with a little bit more creamer, and sometimes with
36:33
not a lot of creamer to try to sweeten it
36:36
up to get you to buy into it. So you
36:44
have some people who just weren't readily aware of Charlie
36:48
Kirk because they didn't choose the traffic in what he
36:51
was doing.
36:52
Speaker 2: And then you have others.
36:55
Speaker 1: Who they listened to Charlie Kirk the first time and
36:59
they never listened again. As the statement goes, you don't
37:03
get a second chance to make a first impression. If
37:08
you make a first impression and people don't like it,
37:10
you don't get a chance to go back and change it.
37:15
That's the reason why when a person walks into a
37:17
store and if they're not greeting warmly, there's a strong
37:20
chance that they won't go back to that store because
37:23
you've shown them that their business is not welcome, because
37:27
you didn't even take the opportunity to ask them or
37:30
welcome them in.
37:31
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to so and so.
37:32
Speaker 1: What can I help you with and allow the relationship
37:35
between customer and employee to grow from there?
37:42
Speaker 2: So can you only imagine being someone black?
37:47
Speaker 1: And the first time you became aware of Charlie Kirk
37:51
is when he said what he said about doctor King
37:54
and you said to yourself, well, won't listen to him again.
38:00
And don't get me wrong, we all know that doctor
38:03
King in his personal life, there were some transgressions there.
38:14
But I could get why people would have a problem
38:18
with that, because if you're doctor King, if you're a pastor,
38:20
if you're supposed to be telling people to live a
38:22
righteous life and you're not living one, then that makes
38:25
you hypocritical, right. But what would be what I find
38:33
so hypocritical about this situation is that Charlie Kirk said
38:39
that Martin Luther King was awful, not a good person.
38:43
But yet you have some that are comparing Charlie Kirk
38:46
to doctor King. That's what kind of boils the blood
38:51
a little bit for me. Doctor King was looked at
38:57
in Charlie Kirk's eyes as being vile, and then yet
39:00
y'all are using doctor King to put alongside Charlie Kirk
39:03
to say how much they meant to their respective movements.
39:15
Another thing when it comes to Black people and when
39:24
we lose our leaders, especially those back in the day.
39:31
We lost doctor King, we lost Malcolm X, Metger Evers,
39:36
Fred Hampton, we lost our leaders. Most white people of
39:46
that are this is right, most white people of that time,
39:50
they didn't choose to be empathetic towards our loss.
39:54
Speaker 2: So you flipped the tables.
39:58
Speaker 1: Fifty sixty years later and you guys want somebody to
40:02
be empathetic with Charlie by you guys losing Charlie Kirk,
40:05
and you don't get that, And you're sitting around wondering
40:07
why most of y'all's grandfathers and great grandfathers didn't empathize when.
40:13
Speaker 2: We lost our leaders.
40:25
Speaker 1: So it shouldn't come as a surprise that you have
40:27
people that are not empathetic when you guys lose one
40:30
of your leaders. You want to look at this from
40:37
the conservative perspective, The reason why they're upset with liberals
40:44
and certain black people is that they felt that even
40:50
though Charlie Kirk says some things that most people didn't
40:55
agree with, he opened himself up for people to come
40:59
and talk to him that disagreed with him, that he
41:04
used the town square to invite anybody who disagreed with.
41:08
Speaker 2: Him to come have a conversation with him.
41:11
Speaker 1: All that they love to say is that the people
41:13
who hate Charlie Kirk, if they would have had an
41:15
opportunity to sit down and talk to him, they would
41:17
have walked away from it and they would have loved him.
41:23
Speaker 2: I don't think that that's a.
41:24
Speaker 1: Certainty, because when you've built up a hatred towards somebody,
41:32
it's hard to let.
41:33
Speaker 2: That hatred go.
41:36
Speaker 1: Because you will always remember what that person said, and
41:39
it's gonna play over and over and over again in
41:42
the back of your mind. I mean, after he was killed,
41:55
you had those threats called into those HBCUs.
42:02
Speaker 2: For what reason?
42:03
Speaker 1: It's the question I have, for what reason were HBCUs
42:08
targeted after Charlie Kirk's death. That right there shows you
42:14
that there are some people who said, all right, we
42:18
think a black person did this, so we're gonna target
42:20
the HBC use the showing that we're not playing. And
42:31
yet you have some people who are still holding on
42:33
to this notion that we're gonna be able to one
42:38
day come together as one country or one nation under God.
42:45
And I do not like to be a pessimist. I
42:49
like to look at things in a very optimistic light.
42:53
But I'm sorely afraid that the time for us to
42:58
unify as one have come and gone, because when you
43:05
take a look around, it's becoming harder and harder and
43:11
harder for us to unite the way that we will
43:14
want to, because you have people whose sole job it
43:20
is to keep us divided, so that way that can
43:22
go on and push their sinister agenda, keep us divided
43:31
so that way we can fight amongst ourselves, so they
43:34
can go behind our backs and pull the purse string,
43:36
so that way we can be in an even efed
43:39
up position, even more efed up position.
43:41
Speaker 2: I should say.
43:52
Speaker 1: Before I did this episode today, I prayed and I
43:58
asked God to fill my heart and my mind with
44:03
the right words to really do this topic justice. And
44:09
I know that once you listen to this, some of
44:12
you may never listen to me again, and I'm perfectly
44:18
okay with that. I know that some of you would
44:23
call me viole, some of you would say that I'm
44:28
distasteful that I'm part of the problem, But I go
44:37
back to one of my favorite movies of all time,
44:43
Mississippi Burning, where they went out into the swamp to
44:49
look for the station wagon that the three civil rights
44:53
workers weren't.
44:56
Speaker 2: And they found it, but they didn't find the bodies.
45:00
Speaker 1: And Willem Defoe's character was talking with Gene Hackman's character
45:06
after William Defoe's character asked one of his agents to
45:10
call Washington to send more agents to help them facilitate
45:14
the search, and that's when Gene Hackman's character basically told him,
45:19
don't do it, mister Ward. You're gonna start a war.
45:23
And that's when Willim Defoe's character said, well, it was
45:25
a war way before we got here.
45:28
Speaker 2: I say that to say this, If this conversation.
45:36
Speaker 1: That I've had with you today deemed to be, in
45:41
your eyes, problematic, then ask yourself this question.
45:46
Speaker 2: Am I the problem?
45:48
Speaker 1: Or am I just calling out a problem that's been
45:50
around us for a long period of time that other
45:52
people have just chosen to ignore because the problem has
45:55
been here. It's just that now that we live in
45:58
an era where social media and podcasts and YouTube has
46:02
taken over, you have more people who are using their
46:04
platforms to amplify what's already been out here for so long,
46:15
Like it's not it's not a joyous thing to have
46:21
seen Charlie Kirk get killed. And that's kind of where
46:25
I draw the line. I can understand if you're not empathetic.
46:30
I can understand if you were kind of I can
46:35
understand if you didn't have any emotions about Charlie Kirk's passing,
46:38
but you literally had people rejoicing at the fact that
46:41
he was killed. That was kind of a bridge too
46:45
that there is no kind of that was a bridge
46:48
too far from me. I could understand if you said
46:52
to yourself, well, I didn't like Charlie Kirk because of this, this, this,
46:55
and this, so I don't really have any you know,
46:59
empathy about it being killed. But to just physically go
47:04
on TikTok or Instagram Live or whatever and just sit
47:08
there and cheer like you've just won a three billion
47:12
dollar jackpot, it shows you how far down the totem.
47:17
Speaker 2: Pole we've fallen as a society.
47:23
Speaker 1: Once again, I was not the biggest fan of Charlie Kirk.
47:30
But when I'm not a bigger what, I'm not what
47:34
I am not a bigger fan of. If I'm saying
47:37
this right is people losing their lives. Now, I do
47:44
know that, and we all know this. There's gonna come
47:47
a point in time where we're all gonna have to
47:49
face that thing called death. But in the meantime, we
47:57
should be doing the best that we can to make
47:59
sure that when that day comes for us. We could
48:03
have people say I'm surely gonna miss him. He touched
48:07
my life in more ways than I can count. His
48:10
passion is gonna affect me for the rest of my life.
48:13
And you just have a lot of people that once
48:16
it came knowing that Charlie Kirk had been killed, that
48:18
said to themselves, his death will not change my life
48:21
one way or the other. I didn't listen to him.
48:24
I didn't care enough about him for his death.
48:27
Speaker 2: To impact me.
48:29
Speaker 1: While on the flip side, you have people that are
48:32
saying his death just sparks something much larger than people
48:36
can see, because his death is gonna allow people to
48:39
become even more mobilized to want to join turning point
48:42
in USA gonna have more people mobilized and want to
48:45
get out and vote. So that way, the course that
48:48
we've been going on for the past couple of years
48:50
can be changed so that way we can get this
48:52
country back to some semblance of normalcy.
49:03
Speaker 2: There's power in the tongue.
49:06
Speaker 1: We know that, and we also know that if you're
49:11
gonna go out here and you're gonna say things, you
49:13
gotta stand on. And there are people out here that
49:18
have been fired from their jobs, some people from very
49:20
high level jobs because they've said things that disparaged the
49:26
death of Charlie Kirk. A secret Service agent the other
49:30
day was placed on indefinitely because of a post that
49:32
they made about Charlie Kirk. We've seen college professors get fired,
49:36
We've seen nurses get fired, We've seen people in everyday
49:39
life get fired because they did not have the response
49:44
to Charlie's passing that you would have expected. But once again,
49:55
that is the price that you have to pay for freedom.
50:01
We have the First Amendment right freedom of speech, freedom
50:05
of expression, but you're not free of the consequences that
50:08
come from those freedoms. You can say whatever you want,
50:14
but be prepared for the consequences. You can express yourself
50:18
and however you feel in whichever way you feel, but be.
50:21
Speaker 2: Prepared for the consequences.
50:32
Speaker 1: In closing, before I get out of here, Charlie Kirk
50:38
said a lot of things that got him a lot
50:40
of people not liking him. So it shouldn't be surprising
50:44
to see the countless people that have little to no
50:48
emotion that he's passed away. Because when you create those enemies,
50:54
don't expect them to lose an ounce of sleep over
50:59
your death. Don't expect them to be sympathetic towards what
51:06
you were doing.
51:09
Speaker 2: Now. Of course, sympathy.
51:11
Speaker 1: Goes out to his wife, Erica, and to their two children,
51:16
because they're gonna grow up without a father, and Erica
51:21
is gonna have to continue to live her life without
51:23
her husband. Think about where she's at, a widow, raising
51:33
two children on her own, having those children to grow
51:41
up in a world.
51:43
Speaker 2: Where their father and their eyes tried to make a difference.
51:50
Speaker 1: And I do agree that Charlie Kirk's movement will go home,
51:57
and it was going, and it's gonna become bigger and
52:00
bigger and bigger, because you're gonna have people that are
52:04
going to actively and readily seek out retribution for what
52:08
they for what they think happen back here on September
52:12
the tenth. But I think we all should take a
52:22
moment to just look in the mirror and look at
52:26
that person that's staring back at us, and ask that person,
52:31
am I okay. I just think we need to get
52:37
to a point to where we just all just need
52:39
a detox.
52:41
Speaker 2: We all just need to.
52:43
Speaker 1: Turn off the phones, turn off the laptops, turn off
52:46
the TV, and just go somewhere to ourselves with no
52:50
distractions and really figure out what's on our heart, what's
52:56
in our minds to better understand and the person that
53:01
we spend our entire day with us.
53:13
Speaker 2: In most people's eyes, Charlie Kirk is a martyr.
53:17
Speaker 1: And other people's eyes, Charlie Kirk was a guy who
53:19
spewed hate, so he got back what he spewed out.
53:23
Or Charlie Kirk was a person that spewed violence and
53:25
he got back what he put out.
53:30
Speaker 2: You live by the sword, you die by the sword.
53:38
But one thing's for certain.
53:41
Speaker 1: Is that the divisions that were already deeply rooted in
53:45
America were only exacerbated with his passing. But I think
53:56
it would have done everybody some good. We allowed the
54:00
process to play out before we started casting aspersions on
54:05
who we thought did the killing.
54:12
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk.
54:15
Speaker 1: Wasn't even loaded into the suv to be taken to
54:17
the hospital before you already had people saying, yup, I
54:20
bet it was a leftist who did it. I bet
54:22
you was a trans person who did it. Hey, it
54:25
was probably even a black person who did it. I
54:30
could have came on here Wednesday and irresponsibly gave you
54:34
guys my thoughts, but I wanted to wait a few
54:37
days to really process what I wanted to say, as
54:41
well as let things play out. If that was still
54:43
no suspecting custody, you guys wouldn't be hearing this episode
54:46
today because I wanted to make sure that I had
54:53
all my ducks in a row before I came on
54:55
here to talk to you guys, And most black people
55:05
they sat around and said, wait a minute, we don't
55:07
even really know Charlie Kirk like that, so how are
55:09
y'all gonna accuse us of killing him.
55:18
Speaker 2: It's a sad world that we live in. It pains
55:22
me to sit and look around at the world knowing
55:27
now it just seems like every day we're falling further
55:31
and further into the abyss, and it just seems like
55:37
there are too many people that are okay with us
55:40
falling into this abyss. Well, it got to happen at
55:44
some point or another, and it shouldn't be like that.
55:47
It shouldn't be okay that we're sinking. The people on
55:53
the Titanic, when that ship was sinking, they fought valiantly
56:00
to make sure that they can make it off that
56:01
ship and somewhere to safety. And it doesn't even seemed
56:06
like we know where the life jackets are. It doesn't
56:09
even seem like we know the number to call to
56:12
get the appropriate emergency help. We gotta be better than this,
56:29
But only time can tell if we actually heed what's
56:33
in front of us, or we continue to fall further
56:36
and further down.
56:38
Speaker 1: And that's gonna do it. For this edition of The
56:41
Agarius Williams Show, I want to thank you guys once
56:44
again as always for listening. However and wherever you choose
56:46
to listen. I'll be back here again on Tuesday to
56:49
break down the latest from around the world of politics
56:52
and my own unique, unapologetic and is, in the case
56:55
of today's episode, my own controversial way. So in the mean,
57:00
uh you guys, continue to enjoy your weekend, have a
57:02
great start to your week, Stay safe, take care God,
57:05
bless we are out peace.