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Patriots Draft Countdown: Quarterbacks and Wide Receivers, Latest News, and Mock Drafts · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: It was a productive first week for the Patriots and
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  Speaker 1: free agency, but how's it going to affect their draft plans?
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  Speaker 2: That's what we're going to break down here on Patriots
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  Speaker 2: Draft Countdown.
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  Speaker 1: is our first in studio show of the new season. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: exciting back on the draft mode, I guess you would
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  Speaker 1: call it. So first things we're going to start off
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  Speaker 1: with is we talked, you know, after the Super Bowl
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  Speaker 1: all kinds of needs that the team might have. Now
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  Speaker 1: they've gone out in free agency and really they've kind
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  Speaker 1: of swapped one for one guys left they brought another
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  Speaker 1: guy in to fill that, so, you know, not a
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  Speaker 1: whole lot of movement upwards, but it feels like they've
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  Speaker 1: kind of built a damn.
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  Speaker 2: I guess they're not hemorrhaging any players.
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  Speaker 1: But ev I want to start with you just overall,
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  Speaker 1: what's your big takeaway of how this free agency period
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  Speaker 1: is going to affect the draft?
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  Speaker 4: What's the headline for you.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you kind of nailed it there as
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  Speaker 5: it sort of was, you know, let's tread water and
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  Speaker 5: free agency and set up a big draft, and I
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  Speaker 5: think specifically at a lot of different positions, they didn't
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  Speaker 5: resign any of their in house free agents, which I
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  Speaker 5: find pretty fascinating coming off as team that won fourteen
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  Speaker 5: games and made the Super Bowl. But when I look
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  Speaker 5: at it at the spots of players that they let walk,
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  Speaker 5: you know, Austin Hooper at tight end, Jelanie Devai and
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  Speaker 5: Jack Gibbons out at linebacker, Anthony Jennings and Kaylevon Chase.
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  Speaker 6: On out at edge rusher.
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  Speaker 5: These are all positions that I kind of expect to
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  Speaker 5: be on their radar in the draft. You're just adding
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  Speaker 5: one more with Viderien Lowe at offensive tackle. So the
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  Speaker 5: idea to me, it looks like is let's create opportunity
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  Speaker 5: and let's create potential roles for us to go out
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  Speaker 5: and draft players at tight end, at offensive tackle, at
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  Speaker 5: edge rusher, at linebacker, that you know you have pathways
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  Speaker 5: for these guys to contribute and make the roster, because
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  Speaker 5: if you just bring everybody back, it's going to be
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  Speaker 5: hard to find competition and spots for eleven draft picks.
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  Speaker 5: You know, maybe they don't make all those picks, but
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  Speaker 5: it looks to me like they're kind of setting up
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  Speaker 5: for opening some pathways for some of these younger guys
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  Speaker 5: to step into some roles.
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  Speaker 2: He's just what stood out to you must about the
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  Speaker 2: free agent class.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, was there one particular signing that that you
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  Speaker 1: saw that you weren't expecting or just you know, something that.
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  Speaker 7: That surprised you.
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  Speaker 8: But the one that stood out was Romeo Dobbs. Just
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  Speaker 8: I know, the receiver positions in a question here Aj Brown,
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  Speaker 8: we've been hearing about that.
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  Speaker 7: Lets defon Diggs go.
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  Speaker 8: Dobbs is a very good NFL players, not like the
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  Speaker 8: sexy number one wide receiver, but he is a guy
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  Speaker 8: that will like make an instant impact. So just kind
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  Speaker 8: of interested to see if he's going to be your
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  Speaker 8: one for the season or what are we gonna do
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  Speaker 8: with that?
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  Speaker 5: So thinks out to me, the blocking titans and fullbacks
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  Speaker 5: not for me, Not.
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  Speaker 4: For me, it's real, it's real football there.
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  Speaker 8: I guess the edge rushers, but no receivers.
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  Speaker 6: He's messing with you.
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  Speaker 1: You mentioned receivers, and you know later we've got almost
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  Speaker 1: a half hour long segment where we break down a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the wide receivers here. It's always a position
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  Speaker 1: we love to watch and to fantasize about drafting it
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  Speaker 1: that elusive number one. But what was interesting to me
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  Speaker 1: is you rattled off those positions and when we were
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  Speaker 1: in India at the combine, we heard, you know, from
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  Speaker 1: Elliot Woolf Mike Frabel mentioned things like the tight end
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  Speaker 1: depth is great in this class, the defensive ends, you know,
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  Speaker 1: this is a great edge class. Which is the need
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  Speaker 1: that you know that they admit. Those are two that
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  Speaker 1: jump right to the forefront of mind. I also could
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  Speaker 1: say linebacker, we've seen you know, there's a good off
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  Speaker 1: the ball linebacker class. Is it an accident that some
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  Speaker 1: of these signings that they did did feel like placeholders
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  Speaker 1: at positions that are kind of filled with talented players
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  Speaker 1: in this draft?
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  Speaker 6: No, And I.
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  Speaker 5: Think the what you feel a little bit more optimistic
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  Speaker 5: about because I think when I rattle all those things off,
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  Speaker 5: people are like, wow, that's kind of a lie, right
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  Speaker 5: to leave all of this to the draft, But it's
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  Speaker 5: not starting players, Like they're not expecting them to draft
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  Speaker 5: a tackle in the second or third round.
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  Speaker 6: That's going to have to start as a rookie.
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  Speaker 5: They're expecting to draft a tackle in the second round
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  Speaker 5: or third round that's going to sit behind Will Campbell
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  Speaker 5: and Morgan Moses and learn for a year. So they've
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  Speaker 5: done a nice job of being able to kind of
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  Speaker 5: set up a pipeline here. Of Okay, we still have
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  Speaker 5: Hunter Henry on the roster, so if we draft a
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  Speaker 5: tight end on Day two or early Day three, that
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  Speaker 5: player is now competing to be the backup tight end
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  Speaker 5: and not the starting tight end, So you don't put
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  Speaker 5: as much pressure on the rookie. And I think that
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  Speaker 5: that's sort of where they've gotten themselves into trouble in
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  Speaker 5: recent years, is that they're expecting Jalen Polk or Caden
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  Speaker 5: Wallace or one of those players to kind of be
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  Speaker 5: a savior and come in and fix a position of
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  Speaker 5: glaring need. I don't see that with this roster. I
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  Speaker 5: see them being able to kind of set up here
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  Speaker 5: for the future instead.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Tiez, you and Chris Cassidy coming up. You broke
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  Speaker 1: down a bunch of mock drafts. Just you don't have
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  Speaker 1: to spoil the segment, but give me a headline of
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  Speaker 1: what did you guys see from the mock draft set
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  Speaker 1: out there, I know there's a lot of edge.
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  Speaker 4: That's what we've been talking about.
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  Speaker 7: Is that what you say, it's a lot of edge.
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  Speaker 8: There's a bit of surprise of offensive line, but I
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  Speaker 8: think edge it's really just you can't really go wrong
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  Speaker 8: that late in the draft. There's so many options, there's
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  Speaker 8: no correct position. So you want to get a guy
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  Speaker 8: who can have a not immediate impact, but solid impact.
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  Speaker 8: And it really seems like edge is where that's the
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  Speaker 8: opportunity at the thirty first pick.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the opportunity of to have like a
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  Speaker 1: third guy and you know, maybe you have your your
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  Speaker 1: top two guys with Jones and hopefully Harold Landry's able
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  Speaker 1: to come back and you know, take that down. But
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  Speaker 1: then if you have a guy like let's just say
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  Speaker 1: cash Is Howell is a guy that I think everybody
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  Speaker 1: looks at one.
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  Speaker 4: Like he kind of plays like Mike Rabele likes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you plug him in, not the pressure
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  Speaker 1: to come in and play three downs right out of
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  Speaker 1: the gate, but the ability to come in working as
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  Speaker 1: a pass rusher, see what he can do, get his
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  Speaker 1: feet wet, maybe somebody gets hurt and he has to
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  Speaker 1: get thrust into it. That sounds like the plan even
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  Speaker 1: like at a position like tight end two.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. I think that's the interesting part about edge in particular,
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  Speaker 5: and I'd also say the same maybe a little bit
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  Speaker 5: about wide receiver. But at edge specifically, are they looking
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  Speaker 5: for a guy that has a certain skill set to
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  Speaker 5: contribute in twenty six? Are they really thinking about this
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  Speaker 5: is going to be a starter for us down the line?
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  Speaker 5: Because there are is guys in this edge class that
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  Speaker 5: are kind of pass russ specialists, like a Romelo Height
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  Speaker 5: for example from Texas Tech. He's like two hundred and
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  Speaker 5: forty pounds, but he can really rush the passer. But
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  Speaker 5: do I project that as a player that's going to
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  Speaker 5: be a three down player in the NFL.
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  Speaker 6: Probably not.
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  Speaker 5: He's probably more a third down pass rush type of role.
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  Speaker 6: There's the same sort of thing.
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  Speaker 5: But on the other end of the spectrum in terms
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  Speaker 5: of edge, you know, guys at stuff the run and
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  Speaker 5: play the edge like you know dds from Penn State,
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  Speaker 5: you know big do kind of like an Anthony Jennings
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  Speaker 5: type or are they trying to sort of you know,
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  Speaker 5: split the atom there and get a guy that they
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  Speaker 5: feel like really has like three down starter upsides. So
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  Speaker 5: I'm interested to see if they're looking for more of
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  Speaker 5: a rotational player or if they're looking for a guy
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  Speaker 5: that they really feel like has a ceiling of every
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  Speaker 5: down player because you know, I think Draymond Jones and
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  Speaker 5: you pay him that contract is probably going to play
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  Speaker 5: a ton. But like, is there a scenario where you know,
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  Speaker 5: maybe you knock Caraen Blandry off the field for a
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  Speaker 5: more dynamic edgeresher on third down?
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  Speaker 6: Is that the type of guy that they're looking for.
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  Speaker 5: So it's a there's so many options that it's kind
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  Speaker 5: of just to pick your flavor thing of what exactly
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  Speaker 5: it is that you're looking for. But you know, cash
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  Speaker 5: is howl mesidor you know, players like that are guys
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  Speaker 5: that project as full time players in the league. Once
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  Speaker 5: you get it past that, I think you're kind of
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  Speaker 5: get into he's really good at this one thing, and
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  Speaker 5: it just depends on which one thing they want to
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  Speaker 5: be really good at.
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  Speaker 4: All Right, well, we got a packed show for you.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna have a bunch of packed shows all spring,
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  Speaker 1: breaking down all the different position groups. Of course, we
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  Speaker 1: start off with quarterback, wide receiver. The first we got
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  Speaker 1: Matista and Chris Cassidy. You can break down the trends
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  Speaker 1: in all the latest mock drafts.
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  Speaker 8: What's up by Welcome to the Patriots Draft Countdown podcast.
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  Speaker 8: Mati's bound here, Chris Cassidy doing guys, it's the draft, Chris,
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  Speaker 8: Patriots reigning AFC champions. That being said, not for the franchise,
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  Speaker 8: but for us, we're in unfamiliar territory. The past two
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  Speaker 8: years Patriots are picking top five, all right, now we're
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  Speaker 8: pick thirty one. It's a little bit different. So what
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  Speaker 8: we're gonna do here is go over some mock drafts.
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  Speaker 8: We're gonna do our own. But right now, when you
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  Speaker 8: mock and you're a pick thirty one, it's a bit
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  Speaker 8: of a crap shoot. You can't really go wrong with
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  Speaker 8: the position, but you want the right player. So Chris
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  Speaker 8: as I run through the Patriots mock draft tracker. Right now,
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  Speaker 8: the three consensus picks are Zion Young, TJ. Parker, Casey
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  Speaker 8: Conception on. What are your thoughts on let's go with
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  Speaker 8: t J Parker.
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  Speaker 7: I really like TJ.
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  Speaker 3: Parker.
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  Speaker 9: I mean mentioned eleven and a half sacked, were talking
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  Speaker 9: about earlier eleven and a half sacks with Clemson this
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  Speaker 9: past season. I mean, he's he's a stunt off the edge,
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  Speaker 9: and I think I really do believe the Patriots are
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  Speaker 9: going to focus that edge position in this draft. I
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  Speaker 9: don't know if it's gonna be the first round of
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  Speaker 9: the second round. Personal opinion, I think you should be
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  Speaker 9: the first round Matisse, but TJ. Parker is a guy
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  Speaker 9: to keep an eye on. Another guy that I really
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  Speaker 9: like personally is a key messador from Miami.
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  Speaker 3: First round talent. In my opinion, I think there's a
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  Speaker 3: chance you could fall to the Patriots.
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  Speaker 9: I've heard some rooms you could be like early second
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  Speaker 9: round guy, so I mean, who knows.
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  Speaker 3: But I really like a key messador as well.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, Chris, so what you think right now
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  Speaker 8: is the edge? And I mean listening Kaalvon good season,
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  Speaker 8: He's not back right, Harold Landry's getting up there in age.
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  Speaker 7: So edge is a key position.
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  Speaker 8: I have Zion Young, like two picks on the tracker said,
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  Speaker 8: this guy's a ball.
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  Speaker 7: He's from Missouri. He's a dog. I mean you watch
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  Speaker 7: his tape and he's just blowing guys over.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah. Yeah, he's a beast. And again, you need a
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  Speaker 9: guy who can get to the quarterback. But I think
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  Speaker 9: what the Patriots lacked this past season was somebody that
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  Speaker 9: can help in the run game from the edge.
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  Speaker 7: Yep, Like you had these.
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  Speaker 3: Guys that like Calevon at seven and a half sacks
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  Speaker 3: past year. Don't call me on.
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  Speaker 9: I'm pretty sure that's what and I think that's that's
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  Speaker 9: a good thing. But I still think he lacked a
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  Speaker 9: little bit of that running game presence and I think
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  Speaker 9: that's where the Patriots needed to keep getting better at.
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  Speaker 3: And I think Zion Young is a good person to fill.
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  Speaker 7: That role in the way.
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  Speaker 8: So Chris edge Rusher, that's what you're thinking. For me,
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  Speaker 8: My thing with the first round pick is you need
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  Speaker 8: to hit the ground running like we saw a Drake May,
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  Speaker 8: we saw Will Campbell like they they're playing. You need
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  Speaker 8: to be a starter. That being said, I feel like
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  Speaker 8: we talk about this every year. Patriots are also looking
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  Speaker 8: at some receivers. Can't believe we're at this again. And
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  Speaker 8: it's interesting because now we're picking so late that for
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  Speaker 8: me personally, like I'm not sure if I'm taking a
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  Speaker 8: receiver there. But the name that keeps coming up is
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  Speaker 8: Casey Concepts you on from text day A and.
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  Speaker 9: M Yeah, I mean case he's all around a great receiver.
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  Speaker 9: He's he's a beast, and he's one of those guys.
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  Speaker 9: He's gonna come and he's fast. You can really play
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  Speaker 9: the slot. You can put him outside of you and
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  Speaker 9: burn like, put him where you want. I kind of
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  Speaker 9: see more inside as a receiver. You know, Patriots could
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  Speaker 9: do multiple different things at that sort of situation. I
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  Speaker 9: think he's gonna go in top fifteen disease, all right,
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  Speaker 9: I do. I think Casey's gonna jump up in this draft.
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  Speaker 9: I think he's a stud wide receiver. I think he's
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  Speaker 9: gonna show it kind of as a time regress leading.
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  Speaker 3: Up to the draft. And I really.
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  Speaker 9: Would be a blessing if Casey Concepcion was on the
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  Speaker 9: draft board at thirty one for the Patriots. Yes, so
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  Speaker 9: I think the Patriots take him. Yes, I don't know
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  Speaker 9: if that's in real life.
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  Speaker 7: So the mocks keep having him.
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  Speaker 8: But that being said, Chris, in the years past, you
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  Speaker 8: got you got at Buka, you got JSN Like does
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  Speaker 8: he fall in line with those players?
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  Speaker 7: Does he have Thata Calber? Do you? Yeah? I mean
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  Speaker 7: he very well could be.
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  Speaker 3: I think people are just very high on him this year.
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  Speaker 9: I think he's just he's the name that's been falling
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  Speaker 9: around the draft sort of this whole offseason.
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  Speaker 3: So again, I think he's.
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  Speaker 9: Gonna keep keep climbing the ranks in this draft, and
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  Speaker 9: it'll be interesting to see if he's there at thirty one.
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  Speaker 7: But so you hope he is. Ideally it'd be great. Ideally,
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  Speaker 7: it'd be great.
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  Speaker 8: All right, So Chris, like, we're gonna keep doing this section.
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  Speaker 8: We're gonna do some of our own mocks. But right
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  Speaker 8: now in our first section, you're on the clock at
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  Speaker 8: thirty one.
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  Speaker 7: What are you doing?
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  Speaker 9: I'm going edge. I think I think you need to
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  Speaker 9: focus at that edge position. You know, like we talked
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  Speaker 9: about it. You lost Kaylevon. You know Harold he's great
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  Speaker 9: off the edge when fully healthy, but he's a little
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  Speaker 9: little injured prone in the playoffs, so you know you
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  Speaker 9: need a little bit of help there.
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  Speaker 3: You also, you have a guy.
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  Speaker 9: In Harold who can help train these young young edge
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  Speaker 9: rushers and kind of grow their development a little bit.
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  Speaker 9: And you brought in Draymont Jones from the Ravens in
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  Speaker 9: free agency, another vet like these guys can help this
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  Speaker 9: young edge rusher become the best version of himself.
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  Speaker 8: All right, cool, Chris, Right now, I'm gonna trade the pick.
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  Speaker 8: But we got plenty more time to go over this.
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  Speaker 8: But we talked about Casey conception on guys. We're gonna
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  Speaker 8: talk more about receivers in the next section.
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  Speaker 1: All right, we're kicking things off here with quarterbacks and
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  Speaker 1: wide receivers, guys. I don't think we need to spend
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  Speaker 1: a lot of time on the quarterback, of course, Paul.
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  Speaker 1: They signed Tommy.
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  Speaker 2: DeVito, He's signed up Josh Dobbs with Drake May.
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  Speaker 4: We got the depth chart taken care.
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  Speaker 10: Of, all right, So if you're going to look at
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  Speaker 10: this from a patriot's perspective, then you probably you probably
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  Speaker 10: said you probably don't need any more. Now, if they
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  Speaker 10: decide to move on from Dobbs and they're looking for
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  Speaker 10: another sort of developmental quarterback in the draft, maybe a
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  Speaker 10: Day three pick, they have a bunch of Day three guys.
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  Speaker 10: I don't know if there's a lot here for you necessarily.
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  Speaker 10: I don't know where Drew Aller is going to go.
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  Speaker 10: They kid out of Penn State, who I do think
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  Speaker 10: has some tools, as Evan would call him tools, but
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  Speaker 10: he has not really put it together at the college
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  Speaker 10: level in terms of refinement and consistency.
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  Speaker 4: But if you could get.
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  Speaker 10: Him, you know sometime and you know, like I don't know,
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  Speaker 10: around four round five, you know, probably five, maybe that
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  Speaker 10: would be a guy that would intrigue me. But most
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  Speaker 10: of the rest of these guys, you know, Tailing Green,
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  Speaker 10: you know, unbelievable combined, but not really a quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: If anybody stands out like lower end guys before we
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  Speaker 1: get into there, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I think Galler is probably gonna be a
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  Speaker 5: top one hundred pick. Still that's the third round for me,
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  Speaker 5: maybe fourth round. Maybe he gets into the fourth round.
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  Speaker 5: You mentioned Taylor Green. I think the biggest thing with him,
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  Speaker 5: and not to no disrespect, because I think he can
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  Speaker 5: play quarterback. But you know, he comes in and you
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  Speaker 5: draft him plays quarterback at first, you test him out
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  Speaker 5: there if it doesn't work out there, he's such an
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  Speaker 5: exceptional athlete, like is he a Terrell Prior type that
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  Speaker 5: can maybe change positions and be a wide receiver.
• 13:38
  Speaker 6: I don't mean to do that.
• 13:39
  Speaker 5: I think it's disrespectful sometimes when people do that, but
• 13:42
  Speaker 5: it's just.
• 13:43
  Speaker 6: An exceptional athlete, no doubt. He's an exceptional athlete, no doubt.
• 13:47
  Speaker 5: Now in terms of you know deeper, guys, I think
• 13:51
  Speaker 5: what the question is is that you're asking is are
• 13:53
  Speaker 5: you really drafting somebody to.
• 13:55
  Speaker 6: Be the backup, a pure backup?
• 13:58
  Speaker 5: Like, again, no disrespect Chase Daniel, right Like, are you
• 14:01
  Speaker 5: drafting someone Brian Hoyer that's going to be the backup for.
• 14:04
  Speaker 6: The next ten years?
• 14:05
  Speaker 5: Or are you looking still for Joe Milton who has
• 14:07
  Speaker 5: a little bit more upside and a little bit more
• 14:10
  Speaker 5: of those traits. I would say Taylor Green's probably more
• 14:12
  Speaker 5: in the Joe Milton category.
• 14:15
  Speaker 6: You know, a guy like Diego Pavia from.
• 14:16
  Speaker 5: Vanderbilt is maybe more in I think this guy's going
• 14:19
  Speaker 5: to have a ten year NFL career as a as
• 14:21
  Speaker 5: a backup quarterback. You know. I think that's really where
• 14:24
  Speaker 5: you're kind of out with that class. Is are we
• 14:26
  Speaker 5: at the point now, which I think we probably are
• 14:28
  Speaker 5: with Drake May that he's the starter forever as long
• 14:31
  Speaker 5: as they'll be a New England Patriot, as long as
• 14:33
  Speaker 5: they can keep him a New England Patriot. So you
• 14:36
  Speaker 5: might as well, you know, look at a Caid club
• 14:38
  Speaker 5: Nick from Clemson, or Diego Pavia from Vanderbilt or one
• 14:42
  Speaker 5: of these guys that has a chance to be a
• 14:43
  Speaker 5: long term backup.
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: All right, well let's let's jump into the top two guys,
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: because tis I mean, Fernana Mendoza probably gonna be the
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: first overall pick.
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: Could chance the Patriots see him this year, you know
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: with the Raiders.
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: And then Ty Simpson another guy who probably first rounder,
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: but more maybe more of a developmental guy. We know,
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: seems like the Jets need a quarterback. But let's just
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: start with Mendoza. What a year National championship heisman. I mean,
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: he saw him at the combine, looks the part completely
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: under control.
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: He's gonna be a good player.
• 15:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I just take him for the leadership.
• 15:11
  Speaker 8: You know, he's big locker room guy, led that team,
• 15:14
  Speaker 8: really changed the culture there with their coach. Yeah, probably
• 15:19
  Speaker 8: going to be the Raiders guy. I think they're gonna
• 15:20
  Speaker 8: have to steal with him. Something that's interested. With Mendozas,
• 15:23
  Speaker 8: I'd like to see where you think he would have
• 15:24
  Speaker 8: went last year.
• 15:25
  Speaker 7: Like with cam Ward, I just don't know.
• 15:27
  Speaker 6: I think he number one overall.
• 15:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the Drake May draft is probably more of a
• 15:31
  Speaker 5: conversation between those three guys, but I think we would
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: have been having a conversation.
• 15:35
  Speaker 6: Of those four guys, Like I think he would have.
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: Been in the same tier as Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels,
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: and Drake May. Now would he have had the same
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: exact college football season if all those guys were in
• 15:45
  Speaker 5: college football still, and you know, would he been the
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: Heisman Trophy winner? I guess maybe he would have had
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: more competition for something like that. But if he had
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: the same exact season he had it Indiana last year
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: with that class, he would have been the fourth horseman there,
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: you know, with the group. So he's really good. He's
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: going to be a really good player, I think in
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: the league.
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what do you think? Probably the Tye Simpson in Alabama.
• 16:09
  Speaker 10: So I think both of these guys are underrated athletically.
• 16:12
  Speaker 10: I think Mendoza shows you that he's he's a quarterback.
• 16:17
  Speaker 10: He's not just sort of back there throwing the ball.
• 16:19
  Speaker 10: He can move around and run when he's not gonna
• 16:21
  Speaker 10: make a living doing that seven rushing touchdowns last year.
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: And I think ty Simpson.
• 16:28
  Speaker 10: Is a little bit more of a projection because he
• 16:30
  Speaker 10: didn't First of all, he didn't play as much and
• 16:34
  Speaker 10: if you look at the first half of last season
• 16:36
  Speaker 10: for Alabama, and I think I said this to you
• 16:38
  Speaker 10: Evan during the course of the season. At one point
• 16:40
  Speaker 10: I was like, he's the best quarterback in the country.
• 16:42
  Speaker 10: Then all of a sudden it kind of changed and
• 16:44
  Speaker 10: he didn't play as well in the second half of
• 16:46
  Speaker 10: the season. I think he got beat up a little bit.
• 16:48
  Speaker 10: I think he was dealing with some injuries, but there's
• 16:50
  Speaker 10: some there's some skill.
• 16:52
  Speaker 7: There to work with.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: He has a really really.
• 16:54
  Speaker 10: And in my view when nfl arm, you know, he's
• 16:58
  Speaker 10: not like Drake may or Josh and like Whether Howitzer.
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: Or anything like that, but I think he quote unquote.
• 17:03
  Speaker 10: Can make all the throws.
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: I like both of these guys.
• 17:05
  Speaker 10: I like mendoz Are a lot more because there's been
• 17:07
  Speaker 10: a lot more production and consistency. But I wouldn't sleep
• 17:10
  Speaker 10: on Ty Simpson. I think someone at the end of
• 17:12
  Speaker 10: the first round one of these teams. I know people
• 17:15
  Speaker 10: have sort of dismissed this, but like, I think you'd
• 17:18
  Speaker 10: make a ton of sense for a team like the Rams,
• 17:20
  Speaker 10: who are going to need a replacement for Stafford soon.
• 17:24
  Speaker 10: You completely take off the no possibility of him having
• 17:28
  Speaker 10: to play in year one unless Stafford gets hurt. I
• 17:31
  Speaker 10: think that's the kind of development that could lead to
• 17:33
  Speaker 10: him having a successful career.
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the interesting thing you said there about
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: Tya Simpson, we can talk about him as a player.
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think his best attribute is probably his
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: ability to throw a touch and timing to the intermediate
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: deep part of the field. He throws those nice catch
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: a bowl pillows you know that hit guys in stride,
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: you know, watching guys like Jeremy Bernard for example, who
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: we're going to talk about here.
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah, in a second, with the wide receivers.
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: You know, he would run those crossing routes and Tye
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: Simpson and would put it right on him in stride.
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: If you ask him to try to drive the ball
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: down the field, especially outside the numbers, it gets a
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: little iffy. And there were times where he's throwing the
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: far hash and he's trying to get the ball out
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: outside the numbers and receiver it's it's a you know,
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: he's throwing skip passes, you know, to his receivers like
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: those are the things that you worry a little bit
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: with him. But I want to more talk about what
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: you just mentioned. The back half of the first round,
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: the Patriots are sitting there at thirty one. We obviously
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: know the Patriots are not taking a quarterback at thirty one.
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: So is this a situation where somebody at the top
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: of the second round might want to come up and
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: grab Ty Simpson before the night is out and the
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: Patriots might have a trade partner there at a trade
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: back kind of candidate situation. I think there are a
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: handful of teams that could be, you know, in the
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: market for a quarterback like Ty Simpson that makes some
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: sense to come up and get him, you know, from
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: the second round, top of the second round, to come
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: back up to thirty one.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: All right, well, let's move on to y receiver because
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: that's a position that, hey, we always need, right, We're
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: always looking for the number one ride receiver.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: I think the interesting thing now, of course.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: As we said at the top of the show, is that.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: They've now signed Romeo Dobbs, who seems to be a
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: one for one replacement for what Stefon Diggs, and the
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: search now continues for an outside receiver.
• 19:16
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Of course, Kaishan Boodie had a really good year, really
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: good hands, nice connection down the field. So I found
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: myself over the last few days kind of gravitating more
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: towards the outside guys, and I know there's a different variety,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: and you know, first I'll just rattle off the top
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: three names of Jordan Tyson, Cornell Tat, and MacKaye Lemon.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: I feel like those guys probably gonna go above where
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: the Patriots are gonna pick, and I'm going to go.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: And I know I'm gonna get some pushback on this one,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: and I'm ready for it.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: But Denzel Boston, I can't.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: I know, not a burner, and we need speed and
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: that kind of thing, but I just feel like this
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: guy is a stud. And how many times do you
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: have to take a chance on a guy before you
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: find one that, even though he doesn't have speed, his
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: size and his strength just overshadow that to me. Big,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: powerful hands, you know, strong outside presence, a number of
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: different things that you can do with him. Maybe not
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: the breakaway speed, but return punts. You know, has a
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: little bit of wiggle to him. So I would just
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: kind of start with him because I feel like he's
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: in that area of the late twenties, and I you know,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: we can talk about his speed and I get why
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: people might be afraid of him. Plus the combination of
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Washington Jalen Polk Slash, He's kind of like Nikhil Harry.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: So that's kind of a devastating combination. I just talking
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: about it's kind of a double kind of a double
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: busting there. But as I was watching him, like I
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: just I really gravitated towards this guy. So I mean,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: I'll let you guys jump on on him or Teasert somebody.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: You know, one of these guys.
• 20:30
  Speaker 8: You want to I had Boston on my list and
• 20:31
  Speaker 8: just he can be high volume. I mean he led
• 20:33
  Speaker 8: the team with sixty two receptions eight hundred and eighty
• 20:36
  Speaker 8: one yards. Just different red zone threat. That's really something
• 20:39
  Speaker 8: that Patriots need. But dus with the receivers. I think
• 20:41
  Speaker 8: of the past years we've had ceedee lamb JSN like
• 20:44
  Speaker 8: book all these people like to me for being available
• 20:47
  Speaker 8: to us, there's not really anything like that. So I've
• 20:50
  Speaker 8: reached the point with a first round receiver like I
• 20:52
  Speaker 8: want to name, and I just nobody really sticks out
• 20:54
  Speaker 8: to me this year. It's a big forsease, I mean,
• 20:56
  Speaker 8: to be worthy of the of our pick, which now
• 20:58
  Speaker 8: we're not picking mid topick at the end.
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: That's just me personally.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we.
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: Just they're clusters right there.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: There's clusters of these guys, and you know, Denzel Boston,
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: I think, is the one guy that's kind of in
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: this in between cluster of probably your top twenty five
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: talent in the class. They're going to be concerns about
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: his athletic profile. He didn't test at the combine. Usually
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: not a good sign when a guy that has questions
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: about long speed doesn't run a forty in Indianapolis. It's
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: because he wants those secret hand times to be at
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: his pro day where we shave off tenths of a second,
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: you know, when we're getting them tweeted out by Albert
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: Breer or whatever.
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: It is so like that. And that was not a
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: shot at Albert Brier.
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: I took it.
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: But that that is the that's the tough part.
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: And I think what you look at is side kind
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: of the juxtaposition of a guy like Malchi Fields from
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: Notre Dame. He runs, he runs a four to six
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: warning bells right then Denzel Boston doesn't run. So you
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: still kind of have this hope that maybe really the
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: number you're looking at for him is like and he
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: run a low four or five, if he can run
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: somewhere around like a four or five flat to a
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: four or five three, and I know the forty.
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: Everybody's like, oh, who cares about the forty.
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: It's all about thresholds and sort of just baselines, right.
• 22:12
  Speaker 10: I do like I think when you watch him, you
• 22:14
  Speaker 10: watch highlights, he looks. I think he plays fast. That
• 22:17
  Speaker 10: makes sense. Maybe he doesn't have the measurables. You know,
• 22:20
  Speaker 10: people have drawn the like the puka sort of comparison
• 22:23
  Speaker 10: with him, and I can see why because I think
• 22:26
  Speaker 10: he plays I mean maybe at the catch the point.
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: I don't see him as a Puka warrior. No, not
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: after the catch, but I think the things that you
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: see with him at the catch point and then from
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: a competitive standard, yeah, and he's an exceptional contested catch guy.
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: You know, ten out of thirteen of his contested targets
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: he caught. That's a very high percentage of those. I
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: think what he does well is he he creates these
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: little pockets for the quarterback to put the ball up
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: on the platter. And when you have an accurate back
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: make yeah, and an accurate downfield thrower like Drake may
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: where he can read it and say Okay, I'm gonna
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: throw him open on the back shoulder, or I'm gonna
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: high point him this time, or I'm gonna lead him
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: that this time, or we're gonna throw him to a
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: little bit to the inside, and he can just use
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: his body positioning and he has incredible hands and incredibly
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: strong hands to just sort of box out and win
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: the ball at the catch point. We call him a
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: ball winner because he just goes down winning and just
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: wins the ball. That all being said, speed separation, ability,
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: ability to beat pressman coverage, like these are all profile concerns,
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: which I like, Yeah, well.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Let's kind of stay in this chunk though, because I mean,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: we had really been talking about Concepcion from Texas A
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: and m well Mark Cooper Junior from Indiana. Say, those
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: are kind of the other two guys that you see
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: kind of in that late first round. And I mean,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: I really liked Conceptsion. I thought he's explosive kind of guy.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, but it feels a lot like he would
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: do the similar things that you just got with Romeo Dobbs.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: So I don't if you guys have any thoughts on those.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, Omar Cooper Junior a lot to like about him.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: He seems like a dude.
• 23:56
  Speaker 8: I had Cooper just very versatile. It's not only going
• 23:58
  Speaker 8: to play in the slot. He'd mentioned high volume. He
• 24:01
  Speaker 8: had sixty nine receptions nine hundred and thirty seven yards.
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: If we're taking the receiver that early, I just I've
• 24:06
  Speaker 7: been hurt too many times.
• 24:07
  Speaker 8: I just want somebody who can elevate the wide receiver
• 24:10
  Speaker 8: room we have, and I think he's one of the
• 24:11
  Speaker 8: few people that can do that.
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think they're the same but different. You know,
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: Casey Concepcion is a burner, really good route runner, separates
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: really well at the.
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: Top of the route. He has a lot of these routes.
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: That you're going to see going around TikTok and Twitter
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: where it's like, look.
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: How open this guy is getting himself.
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: The one concern that you see with him are drops
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: in the ability to finish through contact. Like those are
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: two things that he struggled with a little bit at college.
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: At the college level, Omar Cooper Junior a really good athlete,
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: another guy that's really quick, fast, all those different types
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: of things. The one thing that I thought about with
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: him at Indiana when I was watching him, he doesn't
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: really run a route tree right now.
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: He's kind of just run into space.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: They run a lot of RPOs, a lot of bubbles,
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: a lot of collegey type of schemes there at Indiana
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: and Omar Cooper Junior is just an exceptional athlete, really
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: strong with.
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: The ball in his hands.
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: There have been some comparisons, you know, with him to
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: some of those RAMS receivers over the years, like a
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: Robert Woods or somebody like that.
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: That's just extremely competitive.
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: But I don't know if he necessarily ran like a
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: robust NFL routtree where I can say this is exactly
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: going to translate. You're just kind of hoping that the
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: movement skills as a whole translate. But both those guys
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: are right in this range like they're going to be
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: an end of the first round, you know, in the twenties.
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: Maybe if the receivers get pushed up. But I think
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: that there's a chance that one of them is there
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: at thirty one.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: I like both of them a lot. I agree with
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: you a point, Mike.
• 25:35
  Speaker 10: You know, Romeo Dobbs may have changed the profile of
• 25:40
  Speaker 10: the guy that the Patriots might be interested in that
• 25:42
  Speaker 10: high in the draft.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I do like both of those guys a lot.
• 25:45
  Speaker 10: I agree with a lot of what the boys just said,
• 25:47
  Speaker 10: so I'm curious to see what you guys think of
• 25:51
  Speaker 10: a bigger guy in Eldridge's guy from Tennessee Brasel, Chris Brasel.
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: Now you're talking about language, so.
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: Go ahead, yeah, I mean so yeah, I mean.
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: I always am careful with comparisons because you make these
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: comparisons to these like Hall of Fame calendar receivers.
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: And you don't want to do that.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: There's shades of it right where like you're talking about
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: this guy that's six threes sixty four that has this
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: long striding speed that is really really good at winning
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: the ball again down the field at the catch point,
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: but is exceptionally fast. And I think the one thing
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: that you looked at with him from you know, an
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: outsider's perspective, is just how fast is exceptionally fast? He
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: goes to the combine and he runs in the high
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: four threes. So like, now you're really talking about a
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: guy that's got legit vertical speed. He also has great
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: size and a great catch radius, and I think he
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: catches the football really well. So you're looking at somebody
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: that I would call it accuracy eraser, where like if
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: you throw it a little high, you throw it a
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: little low, you throw it a little outside of him.
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: He's got that radius kind of like Mac coll Is
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: to like go up and catch the football and can
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: toward his body and make those types of catches while
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: having Legit burner deep level speed. And so if you
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: wanted to just kind of print out in a three
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: D printer a wide receiver for Drake May a guy
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: with exceptional downfield ball skills, deep speed, size, contested catchability,
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: the ability to go over the middle of the field
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: and win the football in traffic. Did I just that
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: that's the guy that you would want to pair with.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: A guy like me too.
• 27:30
  Speaker 7: He's not like this.
• 27:31
  Speaker 10: You know, he's a big guy, but he's smooth and
• 27:34
  Speaker 10: the footwork, you know, the sideline stuff I think you showed.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: I think you're right about his versatility.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: He's not a one trick pony, and I like them. Yeah,
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: just a little thin.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he's I mean, he's thicker, but
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: I and look, it's all personal preference, and sometimes I
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: tend to shy away from these guys and I rubber
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: stamp everything you just said. I just think I tend
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: to go more towards the bigger, more physical guy. And
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: maybe that's a fault of mind, but easy to see
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: how he would fit in on this offense. Just you know,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: and again you always draw the comps of Tae Kwon Thornton.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: That was, you know what they were looking for, that
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: same thing. He's not that guy, I agree, and me
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: he's also you know, one of the captains.
• 28:09
  Speaker 8: And question that I have this year as I look
• 28:12
  Speaker 8: through the players, Evan, where does somebody like that rate
• 28:15
  Speaker 8: like in the round grade because you have like the
• 28:16
  Speaker 8: top three guys.
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: So I think he's a pure second rounder, okay, but
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: I think that he's going to be a top fifty pick.
• 28:22
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: And you know, just to the taekwan point real quick,
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: like this guy is almost two inches and twenty five
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: pounds heavier than Taekwan thor You know, Taekwan Thornton coming
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: out was one hundred and eighty pounds.
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: You know, this guy's two I.
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: Think two h five you know, right around there, Like,
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: this is not the same thing. If there's any concerns
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: about Chris Brazl in terms of that, all of this
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: is that Tennessee offense is super weird in the way
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: they run their rout tree is super weird. They have
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: these max splits where like the guy's basically one step
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: from being out of bounds and he's like running routes
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: from all the way out there, and they're spread in
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: their air raid. So it's more about Jalen Hyatt, Cedric Tillman,
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: Dante Thornton, like all these receivers that have come through
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: Tennessee that have not translated to the NFL. Because at Tennessee,
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: all they're doing and asking them to do is take off,
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: like just go down the field and we'll hit you
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: down there somewhere.
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: That's not gonna You're not gonna be able to do
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: just that. In the NFL. You're gonna have to be
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: able to do a lot more.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Well, let's you know, let's move on. Just open the
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: floor a to anybody's favorites. I asked a couple of
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: guys to watch Josh Cameron from Baylor, who's a later
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: round guy. But I just had a lot of fun
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: watching him. He worse thirty four. He looks like a
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: running back. He's completely raw. But one of those guys
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: where pull him up and I start watching like who
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: is this guy?
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: I you know? I told Paul and Tisam like, watch
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: this guy. Just tell me what we think. I think
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: we all reacted the same way.
• 29:43
  Speaker 8: The first thing I thought was like he's built like Antkumbole.
• 29:45
  Speaker 8: He is running over people. There's some players that just
• 29:52
  Speaker 8: use their build and he's one of them.
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: Just very exciting to watch. I was a big fan
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: when you show h.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: I mean it's like, you know, late round guy, maybe
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: a developmental kind of but.
• 30:00
  Speaker 10: You know, maybe a Day three guy. He looks like
• 30:03
  Speaker 10: a running back. I think it's.
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: Guys like that in this class.
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: Uh, the guy from Navy Eli, I'll take your word. Yeah,
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: he's he's uh, you know the guy from Navy is.
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: If Bill Belichick was still here, we would be.
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: Talking about him in the second round at nauseum.
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: You know, this is a running back slash receiver who
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: runs routes out of the backfield, like a wide receiver
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: that went to Navy, that played multiple positions like this is,
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: you know, an old school Patriot right through and through.
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: But we got to go back to day two because
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: we're were glossing over like the whole a lot of the.
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: On Day two.
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: So just Jeremy Bernard, Yeah, Jeremy Bernard is an interesting player.
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: I think he's more probably in the Romeo Dobbs profile.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: That's my problem.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: I have a bunch of guys that I looked at
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so we'll get to him in a second. I
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: think the other guy that we need to talk about,
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: And I was busting bars balls about this guy yesterday
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: because he kept on talking to me about it.
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: I'll call college football season.
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: Then in late November, November twenty second, the last game
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: that Louisville played and in the regular season, Chris Bell
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: blows out his knee and tears his ACL.
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: So Chris Bell would have been a first round pick
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: if he had a healthy knee, and he does not.
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: And the one argument that I was making it was
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: kind of funny because we flip flopped like this is
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: bar Skuy and now he's kind of reserved about it
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: because of the knee. The Patriots, to me, are a
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: team that needs ceiling at the wide receiver position.
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: They need to hit big like they need they're not.
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: I don't know if we're necessarily looking for just another
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: guy to add into the mix at this point at
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: wide receiver. And are they in a position where, let's
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: say Chris Bell's there in the second or third round
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: because of the knee injury where you're just going to
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: kind of hope that the need fixes itself and we're
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: all good, because I think there's a world now that
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: we live in where like these injuries are not career
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: debilitating anymore. Guys bounce back from acls all the time.
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: He's a twenty two year old kid, you know, like
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: hopefully he bounces back from it. So I think Chris
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: Bell is a really interesting name as someone that you
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: might be getting a round or two later than you
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: were probably going to be getting him at. We would
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: be talking about him at thirty one if he was healthy.
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: So that's an interesting one to me as well. I
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: know that there's a lot of people that are into
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: Jacobe Lane from USC too. I've heard he's not exactly
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: Vrabel's cup of tea, you know, not necessarily the effort
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: in finish, big time play strength kind of player, but
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: big another, huge catch radius kind of guy, great.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Side of the field, down the field, yeah, and catch
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: the ball like That's how I saw him do.
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: Very good in the red zone.
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: You know it can run the slant, can run a go,
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: can run red zone routes, can post up on guys.
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: It's got some really.
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: Great highlight reel catches on his film as well. Like that,
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: then you kind of get into you know, the Ted
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: Hursts of it all, and you know those types of
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: players that went to Georgia State.
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: You know, again we're.
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: Talking about guys that are size speed specimens. You know
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: that people that fit down sort of mold of having
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: you know, the size we're kind of talking about with
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: Chris Brasl you know that sort of profile, and you
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: know that that's how we kind of go. And then
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: you know, the kid from North Dakota State, Like we're
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: kind of just going down that line of you know,
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: second third, fourth round profile of like a traditional downfield
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: X receiver.
• 33:18
  Speaker 8: But I feel like when you get later in the rounds,
• 33:20
  Speaker 8: that's not the player of the Patriots need to be honest, Like,
• 33:22
  Speaker 8: I think they need the big X guy, which is yeah,
• 33:25
  Speaker 8: I just I think we've done enough of the mid
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: round receiver.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we're all coming out to the guys
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: with the size that can play in the outside probably
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: the best fit.
• 33:32
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I think that is the best fit, which is
• 33:34
  Speaker 10: too bad because I think there's a lot of productive
• 33:36
  Speaker 10: guys that are like you know, you know Zach Righter Brown,
• 33:39
  Speaker 10: you know Branch Branch sorry, and Brennan Thompson, like they've
• 33:43
  Speaker 10: got like productive guys. But I agree with everything you
• 33:47
  Speaker 10: guys are saying. I not necessarily sure they need another
• 33:49
  Speaker 10: one of those.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, even looking at guys like you know, Dean Burgh
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: from Oklahoma, Skyl Bell from Yukon little guys, you know,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: the little slots that I think we would have been
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: more on namored with. I feel like, I don't know
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: if that's that's Drake's kind of saw. Really, the question
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: I think we're asking is what's the best fit on
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: the outside and.
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: How much of a chance do you chant? How much
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: of a swing do you take?
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Any other guys that we haven't really talked about, you know,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Bernard a pretty bound balanced guy.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: I mean, Kim and.
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: Surat are both really really good players.
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: I think Bernard is probably a little bit more explosively,
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: a little bit more of an athlete than Sarat. I
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: love Sarat. I think Sarat is Jacobe Myers two point zero. Like,
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: I don't think he's gonna wow you it's a good
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: play with his athleticism or his speed, but he's crafty,
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: he knows how to get open. He's got good hands,
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: he's got good size to him, so he's not really
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: like a pure you know, Welker Edelman slot. He's got
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: a little bit more of a six to two profile
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: to him. He's really interesting player, you know, I don't
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: know again, like those guys Bernard Surrat, even Antonio Williams,
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: he's like more of a pure slot receiver from Clemson.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: Yack for that guy Williams.
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: He's those types of guys I think, you know, Antonio
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: Williams and no in a Tom Brady Josh McDaniel's offense would.
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: Eat in the.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Receptions. Yeah, insanely productive.
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: I don't know if that's necessarily what they're looking for
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: right now. But Bernard and Surat are another guys that
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: I think are just really consistent good route runners get
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: know how to play the game, know how to run routes,
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: know how to play the game.
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: That that's pretty much it.
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: You know, for a day two I mentioned Ted Hurst,
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: you know Bryce Lance from North Dakota State. Those are
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: the types of guys that if you're looking for again
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: like athletic traits and upside and you know, just physical size,
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: speed ability, that would be what you're banking on and
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: then you kind of get into the later rounds with
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: you know, like Jeff called Well from Cincinnati, who is
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: another like the day three guy version of this, right,
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: like you know, the fifth or sixth round version of this.
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: I have one more that I'll just throw out there
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: and then if you guys have any more, but the
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: one guy I would just mention as like a late
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: round guys, Lewis Bond from Boston College. We know that
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: Mike Rabel and Bill O'Brien have a relationship. I'm sure
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: that they'll see him in a couple weeks at BC's
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: Pro day right down the street. If the Patriots are
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: planning on moving on from Pop Douglas after this season
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: at some point, Lewis Bond, his profiles, is a very
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: similar type of player to Pop Douglas, and I just wonder,
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: you know, Pop has one more year on his contract.
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: It's not a huge role that they're asking him to
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: play to begin with. You know, Lewis Bond probably there
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: in the fifth or sixth round or something like that
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: as sort of a one for one replacement for Pop
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: if it comes to that. So that's I think the
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: list that you're sort of looking at as of right now.
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: Unless I've missed anybody.
• 36:32
  Speaker 8: I got Late Round guy, the late round guy. This
• 36:35
  Speaker 8: is one of our what six six round picks. I
• 36:37
  Speaker 8: got Kayden wee Jen from Iowa. Just big return guy
• 36:41
  Speaker 8: as Marcus Jones gets, you know, a bit more important
• 36:43
  Speaker 8: on defense. Not sure if you want to risk him
• 36:45
  Speaker 8: with the punt returns that much. This guy set the
• 36:47
  Speaker 8: school record for punt returns to kickoffs.
• 36:49
  Speaker 10: That's a good call, tease, because some of these guys
• 36:52
  Speaker 10: that we're talking about day three possibilities do have extensive
• 36:56
  Speaker 10: punt return experience. And if you that's it. Marcus owns
• 37:00
  Speaker 10: is the best punt returner that I've seen. Yeah, but
• 37:03
  Speaker 10: you might wonder if they're going to continue to do that.
• 37:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's risky.
• 37:06
  Speaker 8: I mean, if you need him in a clutch situation
• 37:07
  Speaker 8: like with the Jets a couple of years ago, you
• 37:09
  Speaker 8: do that. But he's just you need him now in defense.
• 37:11
  Speaker 8: But Wee Jen just keep an eye out for him.
• 37:13
  Speaker 8: Training camp guy.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: Anybody else probably want to take us home?
• 37:15
  Speaker 10: Many No, you guys got all the all the guys
• 37:17
  Speaker 10: I mentioned. I like Jeremy Bernard in sarat you know,
• 37:21
  Speaker 10: just because they're a little bit bigger than those pure
• 37:23
  Speaker 10: slot guys. They're not gonna wol you with athleticism and burst,
• 37:27
  Speaker 10: but a lot of physical traits that I mean, not
• 37:31
  Speaker 10: the least of which is their physicality. Sarat is definitely
• 37:35
  Speaker 10: one of those guys that that wins, wins all the battles.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: So Boston, Bell and Brasel is that is that three
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: guys that kind of, you know, intrigue different types.
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: I yeah, I think Brassel's the guy to me that
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: makes the most sense. I just don't know how you
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: make it make sense in terms of where you're going
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: to draft him. Thirty one feels it feels a little
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: bit rich. If they did it, I wouldn't kill him
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: for it, because the profile is just so good and
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: you can see how it fits perfectly, you know, not
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: that I it's kind of like how we were talking
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: about Alex Pearson free agency, Like is he a true
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: star elite receiver? Probably not, but the fit with Drake.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: And such skills, Yeah, it's.
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: Just so enticing. And I think Brazil fits that similar thing.
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: And I'm not opposed to taking a third round fire
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: on Bell and just betting on the fact that his
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: knee is gonna check out, Like I we just saw
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: Stefon Diggs do this, Like he just came off in
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: ACL and was basically the same guy. I don't think
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: that this is twenty years ago when those injuries are
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: just career ending or he's never the same guy as
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: he was before. I know the Notre Dame people are
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: gonna kill us about Malachai Fields and my my distaste
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: for that kind of receiver, but move aside in I mean, like,
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: once you run a four to six, you're off my list.
• 38:50
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