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Plow United · Deprogrammed Music Podcast

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It's Steve Program, the podcast where we try to get you into a
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band. That's right, we've done all the
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work for you. All you have to do is press play
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and listen. My name is Justin.
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You can call me band curious because I am very curious about
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why my friends like their bands and they come on to talk to me
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about them. And in the act of doing that, we
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are going to come up with a top ten star kit list for you to
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listen to so you can get into this band too.
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Maybe the best way to jump in because this is right on band or
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right on brand for me there Chris is Hey boys, let's get
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stupid. Let's talk about Plow United
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today. I I feel like this was a band
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where after like one of your first or second episodes with
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John, you kind of did the whole, you did like a whole list
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yourself, but then you kept going.
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By the way, we could do Plow United.
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I could do that tomorrow. So the day is finally here.
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Plow United. We're talking about him, Chris,
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tell me about it. So Chris, we're going to pretend
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like your Internet didn't die and we didn't just, we didn't
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just have a scramble to get back together.
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But talk to me about Plow United.
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You did. You have been saying for years
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at this point that this was a band that you could do at any
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point. Now the day is finally here.
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Oh yeah. I mean, for me, this band is
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really, really special to me. I was all a fan.
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But when I, I think I've talked about it before on the show, but
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I had a period in my life where I stopped touring in my old band
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and I went and got a job in Massachusetts and it lasted like
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2 years. The only time I've ever not
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lived in New York City was those two years and I came home and
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when I came home, Pie United had reformed.
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They put out a special little record called Marching Band and
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I started the band that I'm in now, Sketchy.
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And our only influence was Pie United.
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It was like we had bands we liked, we had bands we all
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loved. And then the only band we all
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came together on what we wanted to sound like was Pie United.
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And I think like probably Dillinger 4 also, we used we
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used to put on our all of our social media, it was either
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Lawrence Armadillo before Plow United, but it would be like a
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band for fans of Plow United and other bands that sound like Plow
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United. It's.
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Literally what we used to write. So I I'm just a massive fan.
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I think the songwriting, Joel, their bass player writes all
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their music, I think basically I think the songwriting is
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brilliant. I think it reaches across
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aisles. I think it is one of those bands
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where like you can listen to these really whiskey soaked
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anthems and realize that the songwriting is good as any of
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the bands you've ever loved. After it finally unleashes
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itself and opens itself to you, it really blossoms like a rose
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as far as the songwriter is concerned.
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I mean, Brian can play the fuck out of guitar and it's insane to
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listen to sometimes. I mean, I, I could go on and on
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and on. I just love this band.
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Well, your glowing assessment here at at the top has me
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really, really interested because in the chat John said
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I've got an old man yelling at the clouds moment here that he
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that he wanted to do so talk to me.
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What is this John? Like, is this related to why
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you're here to talk about this band?
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Kind of. And yeah, like I will talk about
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Plow United in my short relationship with them, but
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first, like, yeah, like listening to this playlist got
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me thinking that like, somehow we lost our way as a country.
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And what happened was the the type of music that that Plow
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United plays is the kind of music that I love.
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Like this is like the stuff that I grew up on like Lookout
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Records that I mentioned like this kind of melodic punk like
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always gets me like every time. And what this is called.
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This used to be called pop punk but somehow about 20 years ago
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that term got Co opted by these mall emo hair bands.
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So you you can't even call no, like you can't even call this
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pop punk anymore because people will be like no, that's whoever
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fucking shit from some hair band full of like the jocks in high
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school that used to beat these bands up.
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Like Oh, no, that that's pop punk like Justin, like in when
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we were doing music league, Like you can't even do pop punk and
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music league because people will be like, Oh, it's whoever It's
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like what thrice or saves the day.
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I'm not. Can't even think of the bands
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that like, they think of as like pop punk.
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These like terrible bands. Like I know, I'm sorry if I'm
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offending anyone. I'm really not sorry.
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But if you're listening to a Ply United episode, you're probably
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on my team. Yeah, I think they probably
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agree. But like, it's like Lookout
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Records was just erased from history.
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It's like these bands like that Plow United, like like the first
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time I heard Plow United was on a Descendants tribute album
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called Homage. They did Bikeage and I I really
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only like knew of them through these compilations.
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Like they would be on these compilations that I would get
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like I was a huge collector of those things back in the in the
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90s and like, yeah, this, these pop punk bands.
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Like we talked this a little bit when we did Pinhead Gunpowder,
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Justin. Like it's like a classic.
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Like it's like the Ramones never existed.
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Like, but all these bands in the 90s like like Crimp Shrine, Mr.
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T Experience, I can't, you know, just run down the list of like
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all these great melodic punk bands from from this era are
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just, I don't even know what you call that anymore.
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But like they've been erased and it's and everything has gone
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downhill since this happened. And we need to reclaim pop punk.
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That's all I'm saying. Doing my part.
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There's a there's a bunch of cool bands in Australia doing
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it, so I'll say that. Yeah, I know.
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It's sad to say. I wish I had a better thing to
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tell. You Yeah, like I was thinking
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about this the other day like no one talks about Lookout Records
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anymore. But like we talked about in the
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chat, like Plow United, like this is one of the smallest
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bands probably that that we've ever done on this show because
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like they were fairly regional. Like I don't think they ever
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really did a lot of like touring nationally.
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They were a pretty small band. Like I don't know how many
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followers they have on Spotify. I could probably pull it up.
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But it's like there's so many great bands like this that are
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just basically forgotten. So that was one reason I wanted
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to, I remember when Chris, when you put them on the list, I
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remember thinking like, oh, like no one's gonna do that.
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Like I have to, I have to jump on and do Ply United cause
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'cause no one has, no one's gonna have heard of them.
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Even if you were like into, you know, like The Dillinger 4 and
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Lawrence Arms and those kind of bands like to, to hear Ply
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United, you would have to almost like be from their town or dig
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in and like, like I did back in the day and like find these
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bands, like like dig in to Lookout Records and dig any of
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these compilations and find the stuff.
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So yeah, like, those are the things that are like the most
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rewarding when you have to like go find them.
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Like Todd United wasn't on the radio.
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They weren't on like MTV, They weren't on Epitaph Records, They
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weren't on fat records. Like they played for their
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audience and they were they were happy to go play for 5 bucks and
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stay at someone's house and gas money to get to the next show.
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And like there's there's like a magic in that that we've lost
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and because of whatever. I mean, you know, there's a
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million factors that contributed to that.
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But listening to this playlist, it just I don't know if it's a
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mix of like nostalgia versus like a lot of it.
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I I hadn't heard before. So I was excited to hear it and
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listened to the playlist. A lot of it jumped out at me is
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like, this is so good. But yeah, that's that's the main
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reason is like this stuff would just be lost.
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But like the we, we, we have to, we have to, we have to do this
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for the kids. We have to plant the flag I.
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Actually, I want to jump off on what you just said, man, because
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you, you nailed that, absolutely nailed it.
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I want to say like, if you like what you hear when we put this
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together, this band was not canonized.
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Their records are not expensive. You can get all of their records
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for reasonable prices, including the seven inches.
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They are all available on Discogs.
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You can get them for nothing. I have a story about it.
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Like right after we like, once we start talking like if you dig
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this, it is available to you. You can fucking get it.
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I just want to make that very clear.
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It's almost like you were talking to me right there
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directly because yeah, there there's a couple that I'd I'd
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like to scoop up so hell yeah. So all right, let's let's get
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into the meat and bones here. Like you.
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You had a time before we even get to your 20 there, Chris.
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Like just putting together our initial list to build from like
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it. That was like a couple days
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process for you. Talk to me about like what it is
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like what it is you decided to include.
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Did we leave anything out? Ended up like 100 tracks.
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And then talk to me. You also told me that this was
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the most difficult list you've done so far.
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So talk to me about your experience with with putting
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these lists together. This was 100% the hardest time
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I've ever had. We did my literal favorite band
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together I I so I put it together with the full lengths
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and the the first B sides collection and then important 7
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inches after the fact. Because the way that this fan
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works is they were active from like 93 up until 97 and then
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they broke up and they got back together around 20/12/2013.
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And they have they were like active ish until like 2020.
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So they have two serious periods where they played and everything
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is good. And I think, like Justin, you
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never heard them before you you could hear the difference
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between later stuff and early stuff.
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You can when you listen to it, but it's the same band, right?
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Do you agree? For sure.
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Like yes. They they, they didn't come back
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for a nostalgia trip. They didn't come back to cash
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in. They didn't come back to just
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play, you know, the self-titled record front to back and like
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the two or three hits from Goodnight sell out.
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They came back and they wrote some fucking songs.
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They had like, it's awesome. And like I went through this
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discography and I knew I was going to have trouble with it.
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I just from the full lengths, not even any of the the the
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seven inches and rarities. I had over 50 songs and I was
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struggling to cut them. I literally cut them on the way
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back from dinner with my girlfriend today.
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I I I forced Rachel to listen to plow united after a beautiful we
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went to like this like really nice Singapore restaurant in the
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fancy place of Manhattan. We bought her a dress to go see
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Robin tomorrow night and and I made her listen to play night on
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the way home and I just finished cutting songs while I made you
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guys wait for me just before. This was the hardest I've ever
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had ever. So we'll like when like what I
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mean with a band that you've said is your your favorite here.
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And when you're saying it's, it's hard, is it, is it because
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you're cutting to the core of like, or is it just decisions
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trying to decide nostalgia versus hey, this is what's going
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to get somebody in? That's exactly it.
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And Rachel was helping me with it in the car.
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God bless her. She was saying that's a good
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song, but it lasted for 30 seconds and it's not going to
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get anybody into anything. Then we're in trouble.
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Then we're then we're in trouble.
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Well, I know, man, that's the thing.
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Like it wasn't like I didn't want I didn't want to cut these
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songs. Like I again, I I literally cut
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out an entire record by the end and we'll talk about that as we
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go. I don't want to ruin it and I
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want to make you guys not save the songs.
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I I cut out an entire full length.
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It's gone. It's not there and it's not,
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it's not just because I'm I'm a slave to the self-titled, which
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like it's the one like put it on, you know what I mean?
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But like at the same time, it's everything is valid, everything
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is different and interesting. And also go get their solo
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records, go find like Joel's work with ex friends, like like
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all this stuff. All the things they're connected
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to are great and they're all not canonized like we said before.
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All right, so you're always a mysterious man when it comes to
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your list, John. I never know.
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Like if it's something that you're struggling with, I always
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have to wait until I actually ask you.
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So I mean, this is 1 where it's 100 songs.
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And as you said, like some of it you weren't familiar with, What
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did that change how you put your list together?
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Well, first of all, I I do contain multitudes.
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I appreciate that. No, I mean this one, like I
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said, it's a really fun listen and like a lot of songs are
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short. A lot of the songs are like fun,
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like it's easy to listen to. This is right in at the
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wheelhouse of what I really, really love.
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And it took me back to, you know, being, you know, 1819
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years old and like playing with bands like this.
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And this music was all around, you know, that was what was
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going on at the time for my list.
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You know, I, I tried not to overthink it and like get too
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nitpicky with it 'cause I knew like there's, there's 100 songs,
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you can't do that. So I really just tried to just
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put it on. If, if a part of a song grabbed
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me, if, if, if something happened, like even just simple
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as like a chord change, a bridge, a lyric, like I put it
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on there and I ended up with probably not even 30, probably
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28 or 29. Just just a first pass.
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Like let me, let me just go through.
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I, I, I can't listen to 100 songs four times and then really
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try to dig into it. So I tried to just go in and
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what, what, like what grabs me immediately and really stick
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with that. So I had like a few that I
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really, really liked the top of the list.
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And it was just a matter of, of going through and, you know,
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playing one song against another.
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But I mean, I, I could be, I could be a wild card right here.
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I could be all over the place. Chris and I could be on the same
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page. We kind of tend to like the same
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things. But who knows?
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We'll see. I I get the feeling I'm going to
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be the problem here, but for for all the good reasons.
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Much like you said Chris. I think I had something like 50
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on my first pass too, which is literally half of what was
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available to us. So it, it was like, you know, I
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was free and I try not to be free and loose because then I
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just like you just said, John, I, I don't have the time to
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really hone in if I've got that many on the first pass.
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But there was 50 songs that I thought were just really needed
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at least a second listen. And it, you know, I, I don't
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want to go as far as saying it was painful making cuts because,
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you know, I wouldn't go that far, but I, it definitely was.
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There was just like, man, I can't believe I got to lose this
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one to get down to 20. And there was a good handful
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that I'll probably lead off with that I truly just, I fell in
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love with from jump. Like I was like, fuck, yeah,
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that's in. I I need that one.
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All right. What are the other 19?
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As always, listening to the whole list before we start is
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always a problem because then it's like, well, shit, I should
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have made room for this. I should have made room for
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this. So there's probably could be
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going to be a good handful that come up in conversation that I'm
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going to do the the grown and that was like 30 or it was on my
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first pass. There's going to be a lot of
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that for me, which leads me to the next question, Chris.
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Like there's a lot of valid songs in these 104 songs, but
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there are 104 of them. Based on everything that we've
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said so far for the final say, how many do you think we're
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going to get through unanimously?
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I don't know, man, they so this is one of those bands that like
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it's it's just solid front to back.
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They have a really straightforward way of writing
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songs and like, and just like John said before, you know,
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sometimes the songs are just a 22nd idea, but that doesn't mean
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they're bad. They're really, really, really
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good. I'm, I'm going to go low on this
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only because it's not a canonized band.
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Like, how many times have you told me that I have rather
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sorry, how many times have you had me on the show and I said,
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we're going to be right or wrong for not having the song right.
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There is one song we're wrong for not having just one.
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So I I'm, I'm going to say 4. I'm going to go low on this one,
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OK? I like to hear that you think 4
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is low like that's. Yeah, I think because The thing
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is like, I think we can agree on a couple.
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Like you said, you saw some that you knew from the beginning,
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right? I think that that they have a
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couple songs that are accessible in that way because they're just
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that talented. So I, I do believe we're going
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to have some fours, some threes rather.
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All right, well, Chris is saying 4.
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John, how's the math work for you?
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Yeah, the math is is tough on this one.
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I'm going to say 2. OK, now I look, I'm in that camp
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too, because I feel like there's a lot of there's just a lot of
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valid. This is, it's a it's a dense
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discography. It is dense, like there is like
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very few, you know, you know, this one has no chance as you as
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you're going through it. I guess I'm just going to split
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the difference because I feel like there's a couple songs here
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that that I could pick. If I don't get them, I'm going
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to go with three. Of course, I hope you know,
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maybe maybe it it all shines and we we outplay ourselves, but it
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just feels like with that many songs and all of us, it it just
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feels like we could be all over the map.
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So we're going to take a quick pause and on the other side,
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you're going to play the game. It's broken, Jack.
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And with that, the name of the game is deprogrammed.
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The three of us have combed through the Plow United
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discography and plucked out 20 songs that we are now going to
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mash together an attempt to create top 10 starter kit for
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you in case you, like me, have never heard of Plow United
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before. And I'm going to go with one
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that is a little later in the discography.
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That I fell in love with immediately.
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There was no chance that this was never making my list like it
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had to. There was there was no grace
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period. It was just almost immediate
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love. And funnily enough, it's kind of
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in the name. How about falling deeply?
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I don't good song though. Nope.
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Wow, wow, I profess my love and immediately, immediately.
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All right now. That oh, wait, no, no, never
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mind. Never mind.
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I do have it. I do.
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Have it, sorry. I do.
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I can save you I. Can save you.
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I'll take it to you there instead of getting bend right
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off the jump. You did.
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Say you're a you're a big marching band guy.
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Yeah, I really liked marching band.
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I'm pretty sure it was probably my favorite.
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So all right, we'll take that to there.
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And Chris? Can I give my takes about
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marching band? Can I?
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I'll do a marching band song. Sure.
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I I think it has some of their best songs and some songs that
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are a little embarrassing and I think that's OK.
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I think it's totally OK. Particularly like there's some
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songs ruined by guest vocalists and we're not going to talk shit
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about people. I think, I think it was one of
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the better comeback albums I've ever heard from any band and it
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it really defined my coming back to New York and starting this
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period of my life. So it's cool that you liked it
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that much. I'm gonna take my favorite song
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from that record next 5 minutes. No Ah.
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No, no. That sounds so good.
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All right, fine. It's gonna be a lot of that.
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A lot of that. Yeah, I know.
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Yeah. All right, John.
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All right, how about their their band's title track, if you will?
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How about plow? Yes, I.
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Got it. Absolutely.
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Yeah, absolutely. Let's go.
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There we go. There we go.
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Out of curiosity, is that the one you were talking about or is
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there another one? No.
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OK, good. So.
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So we got one that isn't 1. I told you 4.
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Yeah, I know. I'm into it.
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All right, hold on, let that go for a second and we will take
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that 3. All right?
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It's rare that I would do this, but the opportunity has arisen
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and so I'm going to take it. I am a fucking sucker for a song
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sequel. How about Plow 2?
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Absolutely no. I love that song, Justin.
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I love Wow too. It's so good.
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It got me fired up. I was, I was like, fuck yeah.
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Song sequel. Oh fuck yeah, it's good.
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I'll take it. Yeah, for what it's worth,
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weirdly Good Night Sell Out is by far my favorite album by
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them. Good Night Sell Out was that was
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where I knew I was going to be in trouble with this band
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though, because like the the IT started piling up on Good Night
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Sell Out. Yeah.
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So. They are the kind of band like
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you, you could listen to that first record and be like, oh,
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they're not going to be good after this.
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They sound that way when you first listen to that first
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record. I totally understand.
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All right, we'll take that 2 for Plow 2 and Chris?
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Let's stay on Good night. Sell out.
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I will go with the first hardcore song we're going to do
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today. Fuck up.
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Fuck me. You cut it.
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I did. I got it.
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I'll say it. Hell yeah.
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Three man. I if I was going to put a number
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on it, probably like 20-3 like it was.
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Got it. I didn't put a lot of hardcore
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songs because they they have good hardcore songs, but I
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wanted to put Fly United songs. I mean, are you kidding me?
24:19
Like that song screams Justin like half half of the
24:24
undercutters songs are about me being a fuck up so.
24:29
Funny story about them. So they played, I think it was
24:33
like Fest 17. It was whatever the last fest
24:35
with the Florida Theatre was. And they were on there like
24:40
right after marching band came out like just, you know, just
24:42
getting back together and they put them early in the daytime.
24:45
And like I remember just showing up to Florida Theatre with a
24:49
bunch of like half asleep hungover people and me and my
24:53
friend Verbis were like, we're going to make this terrible for
24:56
all of you. Like we're here for this.
25:01
And they open with fuck up. And it was so it was a whole ass
25:04
time. Nice.
25:06
All right, we take that too. And John?
25:12
This one I really enjoy, but it also made me kind of sad because
25:18
it reminded me of kind of the optimism of the of the 90s and
25:22
how that turned out. How about the war is over and
25:24
our side won? Hell.
25:27
Yeah, good, because this is going to happen a lot to me
25:31
today, isn't it? This is just.
25:34
Kind of. I love that song and the lyrics
25:36
are so good. Yep, that's like, that's like I
25:41
actually when I was going through this band, I opened up
25:45
that record and made Rachel read the lyrics.
25:48
Like, that's how much I love that song.
25:51
Yeah, it's good. Yeah, that, that one really
25:52
stuck out. Low war like you from apparent
25:59
there it is. It's like wait, did I grab that?
26:02
No, I didn't. We'll take it to you there.
26:06
I mean more twos than than I had expected I was.
26:11
Unfortunate. Yeah, I unfortunately thought,
26:13
was worried that we were going to get a lot of bins.
26:15
So the fact that we're getting so many to.
26:18
Stay tuned. Yeah, yeah.
26:20
They're coming. They're coming, yeah.
26:23
All right, so we're background to me, eh?
26:33
This song really really jumped out to me like it was.
26:37
It felt like it was speaking to my language.
26:41
How about covered off of Good Night Sell Out?
26:47
I caught that today. I can save you, I got it.
26:53
Hey all. Right, I caught that today.
26:55
It was one of the ones that I was really pissed off about it.
26:59
I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it's about, I
27:04
mean, the long and short about cover bands.
27:08
And like, we, we fucked up because we're not a cover band.
27:11
We're writing our own songs. And I mean, there's more to it
27:15
than that. I can give you a little history
27:17
on it and I it's like they, they started very nascently before
27:23
they were even called Ply United as a cover band.
27:26
And then as like students at their school in Delaware that
27:29
they were in together, they found punk rock and it and
27:34
that's why they they latched onto the culture so deeply
27:38
because they didn't come up in it.
27:41
They they were already playing together.
27:43
That's why the records called Marching Band, by the way,
27:44
because they met Marching Band. These guys really are me.
27:49
Genuinely the whole story is like exactly what it was meant
27:54
to be, you know like just pull up videos of them on YouTube,
27:57
like watch them play in record stores.
27:58
Like they also play at double speed of these songs, believe it
28:01
or not, always. Nice.
28:03
All all the best bands do. Yeah, and these songs are
28:07
already double speed. Yeah.
28:09
Well covered will take a two and we will move on to Chris.
28:15
Oh God, I'll go with another song I love.
28:21
We haven't done the subtitle enough which is so dumb.
28:24
I will go with a song I adore. Reason.
28:30
No. No, sorry.
28:34
OK, right on. I, I, if you're listening, put
28:37
that song. I love that song.
28:41
Reason Rea there you are all right, John.
28:50
Well, you guys were just talking about kind of their nerdy
28:54
adjacent history meeting in in high school and all that.
29:00
What really cemented that for me was they have a song about the
29:03
creator of D&D called Gary Gygax.
29:06
So let's do that one. I if I had to put a number to
29:15
it, it's like 25. It was very, very, very late
29:18
cut. I don't have it I'm.
29:21
Sorry, yeah, I, I kind of wish I would have known that that might
29:25
have been something that would have put it over.
29:29
But as as we mentioned, I don't get a lot of time to listen to
29:32
these multiple times. So that said, it was on my first
29:37
pass obviously and a late cut. All right, back to me.
29:47
Well, I know this one isn't going to hit.
29:52
How? Let me try.
29:58
How about dance? Better than I've ever seen.
30:04
You're so right for putting that, but I don't have it.
30:08
No, I don't either. All right.
30:10
Honestly, to be honest with you, we're really, really bad music
30:13
historians. This should absolutely be there.
30:15
I just don't like that song. I mean, you know, so that it's
30:22
one of those things where it's like it does the thing because
30:25
it got it got me on board. But yeah, that's always an
30:30
interesting paradox I find. All right.
30:34
Dance goes under the bin, John, or I'm sorry, Chris.
30:39
I'll do one that I I think everyone's going to have poison
30:42
berries. No.
30:46
Nope. Whoa, that's crazy.
30:48
OK, that is actually crazy. All right, fair enough.
30:52
Yeah. It's 100 songs, man, that's all
30:57
I can tell. You, I I know.
30:58
I get you. I get you.
30:59
I get you, I get you. If I win, I'm going to fight for
31:03
that. If you win, you don't have to
31:05
fight. You get to just have it, yeah.
31:08
Yeah. All right, all right, John.
31:12
All right, let's see if we can hit on one.
31:14
How about could you question mark?
31:18
No, I couldn't. I I do not all.
31:24
Right. I don't know where to find you
31:29
guys. All right, I'm going to go with
31:33
one that almost got cut. And then like, I don't know,
31:38
maybe 20 seconds in, like there was a change and I was like, oh,
31:42
wait, let me listen to this a little longer and next thing I
31:45
know I'm listening to the whole song.
31:47
And I was like, oh, OK, that's in off a marching band.
31:51
How about cui bono? Oh.
31:53
Fuck yeah. No.
31:58
I'll take it too. Oh no, dude, this looks so good.
32:01
John, stop this. Pause and go listen to that
32:03
right now. It's so fucking good.
32:06
That's a. Who pays?
32:08
Fucking bullshit. Right.
32:09
Yeah, we do. We do.
32:12
Oh my God. It's so good it stopped me in my
32:15
truck. Well, again, like I think in my
32:18
short list and I was like, all right, well, I don't, I don't
32:21
think I like this or, you know, not that far.
32:24
It was more like, yeah, I don't think this one has a chance.
32:27
And then like something like 20 seconds and I'm like, oh, OK,
32:29
let me give it a little more time.
32:31
And then it got to that part and that that part stopped me in my
32:34
tracks. I was like, oh fuck yeah, I need
32:36
that. Yeah, I will say it.
32:38
It fulfills the same, the same purpose that War is over fills
32:42
and it's on the same record. But like, I think that was the
32:45
feeling in 2013, you know what I mean?
32:46
Yeah, yeah. All right.
32:49
We'll take a two there, Chris. Should I just pull the Band-Aid
32:55
off and do the one that's got to be there?
32:56
Oh boy. Should I just say spindle right
33:00
now? Spindle.
33:00
Oh, OK, great. Yeah, I have that.
33:04
Yep, I got it. Cool.
33:07
No one could be that cool. All right, I cop out, but I
33:15
appreciate it. I appreciate it.
33:16
I was the only got to use it. Yeah, I mean, I was, I kept
33:20
looking at it, but I didn't know if that was one that that needed
33:25
to. So glad it was.
33:27
It's deeply, it's deeply problematic, but it's too
33:29
goddamn good. And I remember this is a story,
33:33
a second hand story, but we played a show with Plow in like
33:39
2015 and the bass player that was in my band at the time was
33:44
friends with Joel and they were just freaking Outback with them.
33:48
And Brian talked about Spindle specifically and was like, why
33:53
did I jump the octave? Why did I think that I could do
33:56
that forever? And.
33:57
Then apparently his friend said you never could like Buckley
34:06
and, and I love that story, he goes, why did I do that to
34:08
myself? We don't know, because you never
34:10
could. All right, boom.
34:15
Just like that. We're at two.
34:18
Oh my God, we cut it out. Don't add.
34:22
All right, Suspendable was Chris, John all.
34:28
Right. How about you can't kill me?
34:31
I'm already dead. Fuck no one. 100% yes.
34:36
OK, Absolutely. Yes.
34:38
That's the other hardcore song I put.
34:40
I think I only put two. Yeah, I love that song.
34:44
Yeah, as you can tell by my exasperated fuck, it was for
34:48
sure on my first pass. I don't.
34:49
I'm not sure. You cut all the hardcore songs,
34:53
huh? I mean not purposefully.
34:55
Justin hates hardcore. You heard it here first.
34:58
Not purposefully. All those years of work for
35:01
nothing. I know, What was I doing?
35:07
All right, it's a 2. My computer does not want to
35:16
cooperate with me tonight, fellas.
35:20
OK, this one feels like it might end up being.
35:31
I mean, only one way to find out.
35:32
How about these 6 words? No.
35:39
Yes. Hey.
35:41
Nice. All right.
35:44
Shout out to that's what the scandal split, right?
35:47
No, the headies split. I was going to say shout out to
35:48
the scandals, but headies are cool too.
35:54
I will take that too all day and we will move on Chris.
36:01
Let's do a song that's both an LP song and A7 inch song.
36:06
Westchester Rock City. Fuck no.
36:12
No. Is that a lake Cut Justin?
36:15
Yeah, I, I mean, I don't have the number off hand, but yeah,
36:18
it was for sure actually first pass.
36:21
I don't know if that's referencing their adopted home
36:25
of Philadelphia or Delaware. I assume it's got to be Philly.
36:28
There must be a Westchester in Pennsylvania.
36:31
There is. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
36:33
Yeah. OK.
36:33
So that's, that's referencing their adopted home.
36:35
So yeah, they they started in Delaware.
36:37
Yeah. It's not something you hear very
36:40
often. They started, yeah.
36:43
Yeah, I mean, I think like I told you guys, I was going like
36:46
researching them and like I found Joel's post in Punk Rock
36:49
Bass Players Facebook group and he wrote something like, we're
36:53
like the third or maybe even second most famous punk band
36:56
from the history of Delaware. Nice.
37:06
Well now I have to look and see what the number one is.
37:09
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, listen, I know
37:12
stray bullets were from Wilmington, but they're not
37:14
like, massively famous. They were good though.
37:18
All right, voice sets fire. Voice sets fire.
37:20
Maybe. Yeah, they're definitely famous,
37:22
Yeah. Yeah, all.
37:24
Right, John. OK, I will go with the other
37:30
song. That name checks their adopted
37:32
hometown. How about Westchester?
37:34
Nuclear Winter I. Got it.
37:36
No, Chris doesn't. OK, so I cut everything from
37:40
that record. Yeah.
37:42
I when I had songs from Narcolepsy, I 1000% had that.
37:47
So I I apologize. I had a time for everything that
37:50
will get screwed over because I cut that old record.
37:56
It happens. It happens, Bing.
37:58
Not even the one that iron sheet covered.
38:00
No, didn't even go with that one.
38:02
It was the last one I cut out. Yeah, yeah.
38:06
All right. I had like a bunch.
38:08
I had a bunch originally. I had 52 songs.
38:10
Yeah, I don't know where to go, fellas.
38:18
How about no parole all? Right.
38:22
Let me tell you something. OK, you're right and I'm wrong
38:24
again. By the way, these you, you
38:26
mentioned 2 songs that actually are insanely popular plow songs
38:29
that I did not put. Oh, OK, yeah.
38:35
Well. I I don't have it either.
38:38
I don't bend into the bin. And they they, they play both
38:41
that and dance at every show. So I was like, just bring up my
38:46
money. Yeah, you actually were, dude.
38:48
Yes. I just don't like the songs.
38:51
All right, so be it. So be it.
38:55
Yeah. All right.
38:57
So no parole goes into the bin, Chris.
39:01
Let me clear out Good night's sell out.
39:03
I'm gonna put a song that I have always found really good, but I
39:06
don't know if everyone in the world does.
39:07
Lighters. I don't have that one.
39:12
That was a late cut, yeah. OK, it's a cool song, right?
39:15
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, all.
39:18
Right. If we'd had 25, I would have had
39:21
it. Hell yeah.
39:24
John. How about go back to the
39:29
beginning? How about beat up radio?
39:31
Fuck. I mean, obviously, you know, my
39:38
reaction tells you everything you need to know, but this is
39:41
one of those ones where like one more play would have done it
39:45
because I was listening to it before we went on and I was
39:48
like, oh fuck, I want this song. But then I couldn't make a
39:53
decision of what to lose. So what's funny?
39:57
That it all that also. Oh, sorry, go ahead.
39:59
I was just going to say, what's funny is that it wasn't on my
40:01
first pass like I did, you know, it wasn't on my radar.
40:05
It's so like it just, I just happened to be listening to it
40:08
again. I was like, do I have this?
40:10
No, I don't. Oh shit.
40:12
So I love that. One that falls right into that
40:16
same category of very popular and they played all the time and
40:19
I didn't put it. Let me see.
40:22
Let me see. All right, so we're getting,
40:26
let's see, what do I got 123456? OK, no, I still have 10.
40:32
So we got a couple more rounds here.
40:36
How about act like it? I do have that, yes.
40:45
Maybe. I do not all.
40:48
Right, we'll take the 2. Love that song.
40:51
I think we're out of NTP, at least by now.
40:58
Let me see, I can. I can likewise finish out
41:01
marching band since you just gave my other one.
41:05
Let's do Human 2000. Yeah, I got it.
41:09
No. OK.
41:12
The exasperated nose. It's that part of the game.
41:17
Yep. All right, John.
41:23
All right, so they have a song and maybe Chris, you can fill in
41:27
some details that I'm missing here, but they have a song about
41:31
a band that is also close to my heart that I have loved for a
41:36
long time. And I I took it because I think
41:40
the song is kind of taking the piss a little bit and making fun
41:44
of this band. And I'm also down with that.
41:46
How about Pearl Jam? I had that until very very late.
41:53
I don't know where but it was for sure on my first pass but I
41:57
don't know why I dropped it. I actually don't know the story
42:02
behind that and I don't have. It OK, I don't OK, yeah, I don't
42:06
think it's, I don't think it's complimentary.
42:08
Let's put it that. Way.
42:12
Let me see what is that on everything always?
42:15
It's somewhere the early. It's on the dustbin collection.
42:19
Yeah, yeah. It's funny, I looked up and I
42:22
can't find the lyrics anywhere. We find we like I find that like
42:26
in this day and age, in this day and age when we like cane out
42:30
when like because it was put on a 7 inch collection, it won't
42:34
tell me what record it was on and like I want to know when the
42:37
song came out. You know what I mean?
42:39
I think it was 92. I think it was on one of their
42:41
first things. Oh yeah 100% because that the
42:44
dustbin of history is all collected from their first run,
42:48
so it has to be before narcolepsy.
42:51
Narcolepsy. You have to look on disc cogs
42:52
for all their original releases and stuff.
42:55
Yeah, but. Narcolepsy was post breakup so
42:58
any anything from dustbin is from before narcolepsy.
43:01
Yeah, all right, so human 2000. No, Pearl Jam was John.
43:09
So we're back around to me. Fuck.
43:14
We have a never done a single song from.
43:16
Three, it was a great record. Literally just going to say
43:18
that, and I was going to go with A3 song.
43:21
How about break the barrier? Oh fuck you, it was literally
43:25
cut 10 minutes ago. Yeah, I don't have it.
43:30
All right. That song rules.
43:33
I'll take the one and and I will be happy about it.
43:37
All right, Chris. I will do 3 as well.
43:42
I'll do I can do either my favorite song or the song that
43:45
is everyone else's favorite. I'm going to do what I think is
43:47
the Best Song on it. Illustrations.
43:52
You know what I'm hating right now is my instincts are so right
43:55
on. Like which song should be in
43:58
contention and then and then my instincts are all wrong and
44:02
which one's the cut? Yeah, I don't have it.
44:07
Yeah, I don't have illustrations, but I had it on
44:10
my. I'm not going to stump.
44:11
I'm not going to stump for this song to get added later.
44:13
I just want to say lyrically, this is the Best Song Joel ever
44:17
wrote. It is the most, I think the one
44:20
of the most thoughtful songs ever written about turning art
44:23
into a career. Just like the lyric, like they
44:27
cut out my heart and the dangerous parts.
44:29
Is it art? Is it art?
44:30
Is it art? Is it art?
44:31
Is it art? I, it's, I just want to say
44:34
like, I'm not going to stump for it because we're not going to
44:36
get there. Fucking listen to this song.
44:38
I don't care who you are, whoever's listening.
44:39
It is very excellent. It is.
44:42
And to your point, just three in general, it was really
44:45
excellent. I really enjoyed.
44:46
It, dude, it's crazy good. Crazy good, yeah.
44:50
All right, John all. Right after, after all that
44:56
crazy you guys heaped on that, I think I only took one song from
45:00
it. So I'm gonna play that song.
45:02
How about everything? Yeah, I got it.
45:04
Absolutely. Yeah, I got it.
45:06
OK, cool. Yeah, great song.
45:08
Fucking awesome song. Boom and boom.
45:12
And now, Justin, you're on the hook.
45:13
I know, but I think, I think I got a couple that up my sleeve
45:18
that I wouldn't mind taking so. We're on three now.
45:22
Yeah, yeah. Yep, we got 3.
45:25
Let me cue that up real quick. How you feeling there's gonna be
45:31
another 4? I mean, maybe we're getting down
45:35
to the nitty gritty. I think I only got like 6 left
45:38
now. Stranger.
45:42
Stranger things have happened for sure.
45:46
It's 2026, throw the book out the window.
45:49
Yeah, no, right. That's right, babe, we're
45:51
talking to you from the past. We're writing a new book.
45:55
Oh my God. Computer.
45:57
Do what I'm asking you to do. Please.
46:00
I should just do this later. Oh God, that's so good.
46:06
I've been everything. I Can't Sing because I did that
46:10
in a song. Yeah, all.
46:12
Right. Stop doing that.
46:17
Good Lord. I mean, at least I don't think I
46:20
have to worry about Plot United suing me 123.
46:24
No, they'd be stoked. All right, here's one that I
46:29
know I'm at best. You know what I'm going to save
46:34
that I'm going to save this for my dump out.
46:37
I'm going to try another three. Maybe I can find Chris here.
46:41
How about writing on the wall? Man, that was also cut today.
46:48
Yeah, that song rules. That was actually, that was the
46:51
song that Kate's that Rachel said was too short.
46:54
Oh, really? I don't know.
46:56
Yeah. You know, I'm a sucker for that
46:57
kind of stuff. And yeah, sometimes I like to
47:01
pepper them into my list because if it's a part of what the band
47:04
does, then it should be represented so.
47:08
I know. I understand.
47:10
All right. We'll take that one, Chris.
47:14
Should I kill my last three song?
47:17
Well, I can tell you this. It's going to be Ben because I'm
47:20
out of three and John is out of three, so.
47:23
Then I'm going to wait. Then I'm going to wait on that.
47:25
There's another one that is really good I'm gonna do.
47:29
All I've got left is self titles then, and they're all bangers.
47:32
I'm gonna go with Martin. Very good, but no.
47:37
No. That's crazy.
47:40
OK. Yeah.
47:42
All right. I think this is gonna be your
47:45
last one, John. I think we'll do dump out after
47:47
a year. All right, let me to go with
47:52
another political one then. How about freedom or security?
47:55
Yeah, I got it. That is the one song for Dark
47:59
Lepsi I wanted to have, and I cut it last second.
48:02
It was the literal last cut. Yeah, I even have AT shirt with
48:08
that on it from their last show. Nice.
48:13
Just a little added little two there to make the conversation a
48:16
little harder there. Their first last show, not not
48:19
the actual last show. All right, I'm going to start at
48:24
the top. Sorry are real quick are they
48:27
still around? Did they did they break up for
48:29
good official or they still? Play, I don't think they're
48:31
officially broken up, but they haven't done anything since,
48:33
like, you know, whenever the last EP came out. 2017, yeah.
48:38
OK, gotcha. All right.
48:41
I'm going to start at the top here.
48:43
I didn't do this because I don't think doing The thing is
48:46
necessarily important with this band, but I always like to bring
48:51
it to the table. I don't always bring a table.
48:53
I didn't lead with it. How about breaking point?
48:59
Nope. Yeah.
49:01
No. All right, maybe I can find John
49:06
here from Narcolepsy a good night sell out.
49:11
No. OK.
49:13
Good song. Another narcolepsy, the narrow
49:16
Sparrow. No.
49:21
I think that's the last track. I know.
49:22
I kind of played the game there, yeah.
49:26
And my last pick was a 39. No, I love that song.
49:33
It's a cover of like an old who did that originally Let me look
49:39
cuz out of the swing and others did it as well.
49:42
Queen. It's a Queen cover.
49:44
That's sick. Yeah, it's a good song, but I
49:47
didn't take it because it's a cover.
49:49
Well, shit, somehow I won. Yeah, that's crazy.
49:53
That's wild. I mean, I'm with it, you know,
49:56
there's, there's a couple roads for me to take here.
49:59
So all right. So you should have a couple left
50:04
here, right, Chris? I have 3 left and they're all
50:07
like I think like really big songs and plows discography.
50:13
That girl from the self-titled. That was a close one for me.
50:18
Nope. Saint Patrick's Day from the
50:20
subtitled which is a huge song, no OK and from three Mama, I'm
50:26
not doing well, no OK all. Right.
50:34
I'm not doing well. And John?
50:39
So I still have 5 game of chess. Very good.
50:43
Christophe. Very good.
50:47
Confrontation 101. Yeah, that was a tough cut for
50:50
me. Yeah, complete conformity 96.
50:55
That's such an important song for them.
50:57
I I love that song but I feel like it's more of an idea than a
50:59
song. And then my last one was a
51:02
beautiful love song. Yeah.
51:05
I was pretty close on that one too.
51:06
I was actually pretty close on 85 E Cleveland too, because I
51:11
know we. Yeah.
51:11
So that was a cut. That was also a cut today.
51:13
Yeah, yeah. All right, let me run this down.
51:20
We got three. We've got a good start and it is
51:27
switch over here. Plow, spindle and everything are
51:32
already in. Super solid for like threes
51:36
rather I'm so used to being a four person booth.
51:39
And then we've got 12 that we need to cut down to six.
51:46
So let's start on these starting at the top.
51:51
We got plow 2 falling deeply fuck up covered the wars over in
51:56
our side. One cui bono these 6 words.
52:00
You can't kill me. I'm already dead.
52:01
Westchester nuclear winner act like it human 2000 freedom of
52:07
security. As I read those down, Chris is
52:12
the one that's kind of jumping out at you as man that really
52:15
that really should have been. I mean, I could go with the one
52:19
that's my favorite or I can go with I think we should have a
52:21
hardcore song. So I think I'll say I think we
52:24
should have a hardcore song because they are a hardcore band
52:26
a lot and I'll say fuck up. OK, I'm with fuck up because
52:30
that was a really tough one for me to drop.
52:33
So, yeah. All right, so same question to
52:37
you, John. Is there one that you're really
52:39
feeling like needs to be in at this point?
52:43
I really liked Westchester nuclear winter.
52:45
I'd like to see that on there. Yeah, I agree.
52:49
So we'll take that all right now.
52:55
Now the question becomes, are we looking at dropping ones out or
52:59
do we continue to just take the ones that that feel like they
53:02
need to be here? Up to you, Bob.
53:05
You're next. Oh well, I mean.
53:11
He gets the final pick. Yeah, I get the final pick.
53:13
So it's like I mean I can do two things here I can put out cuz
53:19
falling deeply I fell deeply in love with.
53:22
So I, I feel like I'm answering 2 questions if I go to bat for
53:27
Falling Deeply here because what we're trying to do is build a
53:31
list for somebody to get into the band.
53:34
And this not only made me like the band, like it's a song I
53:39
fell in love with like immediately.
53:42
So I feel like that gives it warrants a case for it to be
53:47
here. It has 2, so it's not like I'm
53:51
pulling it out of out of a rabbit's hat.
53:53
So unless somebody vehemently protest, I think Falling Deeply
53:58
at this point. I'm not going to be having it
54:01
lead to protest, but I will say that I cut a bunch of marching
54:04
band songs and that was not one of them.
54:09
OK, that's fair. Yeah, I would.
54:12
It's it's still your call so. Well, I mean, you know, again,
54:16
I've got 10. So like if I really really want
54:19
it, I can just take it at 10 and.
54:22
No, I mean I'll. I'll throw in for falling
54:24
deeply. I liked it.
54:25
OK. All right, so let's grab falling
54:28
Deeply and that'll bring us up to what, 6?
54:33
Yeah, 6. All right, so is there something
54:36
else kind of screaming at you, Chris?
54:39
My thing is we don't have a lot of the self-titled on here so I
54:42
want to get something from goodnight sell out just to get
54:44
the early shit in. So plow 2 I think is my next one
54:47
I'd want. Look man, you don't got to sell
54:50
me on on putting the sequel. Also would be super cute to like
54:55
have Plow plow 2 back-to-back on the list.
54:57
Yeah, All right, boom. All right.
55:03
John, I'll fight for the war is over at our side one yeah, yeah,
55:10
as a nice like it. Was a close one for me too.
55:14
So all right, now we're at 9:00. I'll put this one back over on
55:21
you Chris, cuz I've got 10. I mean I I would choose one of
55:28
the three self-titled songs that didn't make it but I from the
55:31
songs left I don't want another hardcore song so I won't choose
55:36
Can't kill me even though I love that song.
55:41
Maybe quick. Covered, covered.
55:44
No, I don't think so with this man.
55:46
OK, I I'm with you. I'm like usually at this point,
55:50
so my, my, my instinct is either Koi Bono or act like it.
55:53
And I'll, I'll say, what do you guys think between those two?
56:00
I mean I had both so. Or we could do freedom of
56:04
security. Because it's the.
56:05
Only song? What about freedom of security?
56:07
Because it's the only song from narcolepsy.
56:09
No, we got nuclear winner from narcolepsy.
56:12
Oh, that got popped on there. Oh, so fuck that.
56:15
I'll, I'll take Koi Bono. All right, boom.
56:19
Yeah. All right.
56:20
All right, I'm down. All right, so now based on the
56:25
way this is played out, I feel like for number 10, and I'm
56:31
going to let you guys in on this conversation because it's
56:34
between 2:00, it's between dance and no parole because I feel
56:39
like you, you had mentioned these are big songs for them.
56:44
Obviously there's something to that because it found my ear, so
56:49
I had them. It it has to be one of those
56:52
two. I'm open to which one you think
56:56
is the better of the two. I will say that Dance was the
57:01
title track of a 7 inch that was like kind of their breakout 7
57:05
inch. OK.
57:07
So that probably elevates it a little.
57:13
I think we do that. Then I again like the idea being
57:16
we want to rope somebody in. It roped me in.
57:19
So boom, we're going to do that as our final say.
57:25
I mean, the crazy part is like there's a bunch of songs on here
57:29
that I could have, could have, could have picked as number, my
57:35
number 10. So all right, let me.
57:37
And you got to go with A and you got to go with a pop punk song.
57:41
Yeah, yeah. That's true.
57:43
That's a good point. Yeah, all right, here's our ten
57:47
then. Plow, spindle everything, fuck
57:50
up Westchester, nuclear winter falling deeply, plow 2, the
57:54
war's over and our side one cui bono and dance better than I've
57:57
ever seen. That is our ten.
58:00
If I run those down to you, Chris, which one is the one?
58:06
Well, it's got to be spindle. OK, I.
58:10
Think everybody would agree? You don't think plow?
58:13
I was going to say plow. Here, here's the thing, man,
58:16
Plow's a better song, but the only song of theirs that has a
58:23
significant amount of plays. Yeah, like the like Mama I'm not
58:26
Doing Well has 38,000 plays. That's their second most, and
58:29
Spindle's got 115,000. Like it's just.
58:32
It's the Spotify's also dumb so who cares?
58:34
I I agree. I I I'm with you man.
58:37
I But Spindle is the tune. Spindle's like the first song on
58:40
their collection, but also Plow is a better song.
58:43
So I I will leave it up the two of you.
58:46
Well, that's that's my feeling. All right, so I'm going to bring
58:49
this into the conversation for the I mean, this is for the best
58:55
of for 2026, not for the one coming up.
59:00
The the song we choose will be the representation for the band.
59:06
I feel like. I feel like we make the case
59:10
with the better song. I mean, the chances of Plow
59:18
getting on the 2026 best of list is unfortunately probably pretty
59:24
low. The way.
59:24
Don't do that to these boys. Don't do that to these boys.
59:27
It's got. Nothing to do with them, it just
59:29
has everything to do the with the way that was best of
59:32
episodes work, although they're more on that later.
59:38
I, I, I, I rather give them the better shot with the better song
59:45
than worrying about numbers. Because at that point, yes,
59:49
those are numbers that I'll probably never touch in my life.
59:51
Can I can I make can I make an argument that is kind of the
59:54
opposite of your argument with the same argument?
59:55
Sure. If they've got no chance, I'd
59:58
rather put the song that will hook someone and make them fall
1:00:00
in love more more likely. OK.
1:00:02
I mean, I mean, if if that is the if that is the core to your
1:00:10
numbers argument is what you're saying is you think because the
1:00:13
number, the numbers show that that is what's catchiest or that
1:00:18
is what? I mean, listen most.
1:00:19
Likely to do it. It has persevered since you know
1:00:23
what is it 1993 as their most popular song so.
1:00:27
Yeah. I mean, yeah, sometimes you
1:00:30
can't argue. I mean, I, I guess it depends on
1:00:32
how much you want to put push, push the idea, John.
1:00:37
Oh yeah, fuck the algorithm. My my thought is that plow is
1:00:42
the one all right, but if I'm overruled then I'm overruled.
1:00:46
No, done. That's it.
1:00:47
Yeah. All right.
1:00:49
I think it's a better song to be very, very clear, OK.
1:00:53
All right, so we're going to go with plow as our number one.
1:00:56
I'll run this down one last go and we will get it going
1:00:59
underneath this. This thing did not want to agree
1:01:03
with me at all tonight. Stupid, stupid Spotify freaking
1:01:09
playlist. All right, there we go.
1:01:11
Now you're playing nice, all right.
1:01:13
Plow is our number one spindle. Everything fuck up Westchester,
1:01:17
Nuclear winter falling deeply. Plow to the war is over in our
1:01:21
side. One Qui bono, a dance better
1:01:23
than I've ever seen, rounds out our list.
1:01:28
So with that, let's let Plow get a moment in the sun.
1:01:41
Fuck yeah. Also like throw poison berries
1:01:45
in the adult list. I mean, this is a great, a great
1:01:52
time to point out. I I like to do this, especially
1:01:55
when either there aren't a lot of songs or in plows case it we
1:02:00
listen to 104 songs, it's only three hours and 20 minutes.
1:02:03
It is this band is well worth your time.
1:02:06
Like it's three hours and 20 minutes.
1:02:08
Like if, if you're taking a long drive or if you're, you know,
1:02:12
you got an hour and a half drive, hour and a half back,
1:02:14
boom, you've listened to all of it and it's well worth your
1:02:18
time. It's John said this in his
1:02:20
intro. This band is a lot of fun to
1:02:23
listen to. And sometimes, especially
1:02:26
nowadays, that goes far. So also, you know, let's replant
1:02:33
the pop punk flag. Let's let's take it back, eh?
1:02:36
Yeah. All right, we have done it.
1:02:40
We. God damn right.
1:02:41
We have turned you on to plow United.
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You're very welcome for that. Hey, man, maybe you dig.
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Maybe you didn't know this band. I, you know, I, I don't know how
1:02:52
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