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#64- Derek King & Derek Bianski of Team Breaking · After-Hours with Faction! Motorsports

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Welcome back to another episode of the Faction After Hours
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podcast. This is episode 104 from our
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final bout trip this year. This was on the way to Chicago.
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So this was day one of our trip and we had the pleasure of
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sitting down with Derek King and Derek Byansky from Team Breaking
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located in Fort Worth, Indiana. So this was, this is a pretty
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big deal for me. So Derek was the first person I
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actually contacted when I knew we were going out to final bout.
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I've always wanted to sit down with these guys and have a chat
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about low car style and you know, team drifting and all that
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stuff. And these guys honestly couldn't
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have given us a better time. They invited us over to Derek
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King's. I guess we call it a shop
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because it's it's his house but he's got a full shop in the
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backyard and he has a shit ton of cars there and they're all
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pretty awesome. So it was it was a really good
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time. They cooked food for us on the
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grill. Yeah, we we had a blast on this.
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This is this is one of my favorite podcasts we have ever
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done period. I would say top five.
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So I hope you guys enjoy it and let us know what you thought.
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And lastly, thank you again, Derek and Derek from team
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breaking. I can't thank you guys enough.
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This was a pretty important episode for me.
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I've always wanted to talk to you guys and you know it.
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You guys lived up to my expectations.
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The Faction After Hours Podcast. We're here with Team Breaking
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Derek and Derek the DND Show. The DND show, Yeah, but we drove
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all the way to Indiana. We're in Indiana, right?
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Yeah, we're in Indiana. OK.
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Yes, for a little while. We were in Pennsylvania for like
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9 years. Yep.
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And it was horrible. Ohio is not much better.
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I was fucking don't like Ohio at.
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All, but it's long. And we had a Chickfila sandwich.
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We had a Chickfila experience where it was the cleanest
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fucking Chickfila ever. Yeah, it was weird.
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And everyone was so nice. Yeah, it was like, really
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different. Than you.
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I don't know if that's just because of the tri-state thing,
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but I don't know. We're sitting in your shop and
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it's absolutely beautiful and you got a bunch of cool shit in
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here. But today we're going to time to
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talk about like kind of how you are in this situation you are in
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now. We already kind of covered a lot
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of stuff. Off camera.
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Yeah, off camera was kind of how you.
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You and Frankie don't actually know each other.
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Yeah, Derek thought I was someone else for like 10 years.
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But yeah, yeah, just learned that and then now we're here.
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But unfortunately we can't figure it out who it is.
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So if you had a red S13 hatch with a pig nose lip with a Sr.
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like Hot Wheels wheels back in like 09 and.
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Let me stay at their dorm on campus or house or whatever
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Rutgers. I think Rutgers.
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Yeah, far from E Town during D1USA.
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Yeah, please hit us up because we're trying to figure out who
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he thought I was. Because I did not stay with
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Frankie. Frankie just graduated high
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school. Yeah, literally 09.
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Graduated high school. Just a freshman partying it up
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and maybe that's what it was. It wasn't me, dude.
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He still thinks it is. We had so many good fucking
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conversations off camera, but like, we're just gonna keep
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them. Going, I'm telling you, I think
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it's just, I think it's, well, it's easy for me because again,
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I said I kind of just, I just met you guys.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And first of all, we pulled up here actually prior to pulling
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up here. I just got in the truck and I'm
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like, Frankie, where we going? So yeah, now we're here,
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arranged all these podcasts. And then like, I tell him like a
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week before and he's like, I'm just getting in the truck and
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we're just doing whatever we're doing.
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I'm like, all right, I'm like, first stop breaking.
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He's like, Oh yeah, who are those guys?
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I was like, this is how I know you're not like, you're like,
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you're still kind of fresh to drift.
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I am. Quite, quite fresh.
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Yeah. I'm like, because he doesn't
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really know you guys that well. So I was like, OK, so there's
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the age gap. That's good.
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It's still you guys are you guys are even like older than me by a
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bit. So you guys are like the first
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wave, I would consider like the first or second wave of drifting
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in the US, probably second. Well, no one would get excited.
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To talk to us. That's if they're our age.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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Why? Because because it's like old
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now to you. Or like you're just like.
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We're just burned out losers now.
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It's just the hummies at that point.
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It's just like, yo, you're still doing this too?
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All right, cool. No, I think that that's sick.
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And I even asked you just now if if you still skate because like,
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yeah, yeah, there is a little bit of an age gap, but that
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doesn't mean like, honestly, we've just been kicking it.
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I If you didn't ask, if Frankie didn't ask you guys, how old you
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were? Probably wouldn't have fucking
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asked. How old do you think I am?
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Well, how old would you think I was?
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I thought you're maybe mid 30s, like 35.
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I was hoping younger than that. Well, it's the.
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It's the way. You carry yourself, dude.
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And like, like, I'm over here geeking at your shop and you're
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like, yeah, you know, I just run out of time now and I'm like, I
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gotta get rid of some of these fucking cars.
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Yeah, no, but it's just like. You could tell when somebody.
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Seen some shit? You know what I mean?
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Like he seems weather to you. Not weather.
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Not weather. Look man, a smooth.
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What do I always say? A smooth sea.
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Never made a skilled sailor, yeah, yeah.
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Suck a Dick. Like, but like I talk about, I
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talk about. I've done it before, like the
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waves of Drifters. I remember when we're talking to
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Damian and I was like, yeah, I was like Damian, you're kind of
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like part of that first wave of. I was.
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Coming, Bagley. Yeah.
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Nice. Wait, am I?
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No. No Damian from karoshi team.
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Karoshi. Car Shop karoshi he wasn't.
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White and yellow cars. Yeah, OK there.
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It's a new team, but he's been in the scene for like.
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Yeah, like sick liver is. A while, OK.
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And very like and the way that they execute everything.
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I feel like my favorite thing about it is like a lot of it is
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still old type, like the vinyl is still layered like.
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It's a IS Dash and an 86. I love Damien.
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Shit man. He makes cool stuff.
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Very creative guy. Yeah, but.
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Like, Damien, I could butcher a project like that, it sounds
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like, yeah, I don't know. It's just like I consider that
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like kind of the first wave and then my you guys would be the
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first wave too, in my eyes. But you're I feel like you're
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you guys had first wave for sure pretty much anything that you
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were just talking. About 09, dude.
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Yeah. If you were drifting before
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2010, then I'm like that's kind of like the first wave and the
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2nd wave is probably like probably that next decade kind
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of you could split it up, but then.
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Decade. Like because you came in like
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16? I came in around 1415 and you
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guys seem to have like a little bit of a different.
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We looked up to people like you guys.
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Yeah, Derek and Derek. Yeah, and you.
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Yeah, to me, I thought you were older.
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I always thought Frankie was older.
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I think it's just because of his mannerisms and his ability to
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grasp technology. But but you set this whole thing
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up and I yeah. What the fuck?
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I said this. Whole thing.
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I wasn't going to say a fucking word until you did it, because I
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knew you would have thought about it a little bit more.
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And yeah, you were panicked and he's here, but.
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But I don't know. Yeah, so you got well, dude, I
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looked up to you guys as well. So I mean, and me being the 2nd
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wave in my head, that kind of makes sense because it's like
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I'm looking at these guys. I'm looking at back then.
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Risky Devil. Yeah.
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So I feel like, I feel like we would be second wave, that's,
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yeah. Because like.
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OK, that's. Interesting.
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Like, I don't like, I think final bout harvested like the
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third wave and maybe even like the current wave.
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Of final bout one. You're you're saying like the
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first. General Yeah, because you know
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there weren't a lot of teams in the US back then.
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And like I I think first wave would be more like grip gamblers
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and Risky Devil for sure. You know Pink Pink got zero out
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West. Yeah, like those guys.
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And then? Yeah, you know, Drift Alliance,
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yeah, Drift Alliance that type of error, okay.
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So you guys feel like you were a little bit after that.
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Yeah, for. Sure, because.
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We were. We had people to look up to when
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we were getting into it that were already in the states doing
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it okay. So it was like, okay.
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There are people here. It's actually like something
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that we can do. It's not just something like in
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a different country that's like, oh, that's neat, but like I
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can't. It's not approachable.
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So seeing like other people in the states do it, it's like
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okay, somebody figured this out and that's.
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So that's who he was for me, like DK was the person that I
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was like, OK, this dude drifts. How do I go about this now?
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And when we became friends, he like.
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Did you just call him DK? I'm so sorry.
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Yeah, Derek Kings. I'm going to call you that now
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too, because now I feel I'm like Derek and then Derek and then
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Derek. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But can I call you DK? That's fine.
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I mean, we've. Been, but it's on the stands for
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we've. Been friends now since a long
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time and like everyone, kind of. Distinguishes me as DK and him
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as Derek cuz otherwise it's a nightmare if we're in the same.
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That's exactly why. Because our podcast, which
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Derek, is this guy fucking talking to?
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When did you guys? Meet That's what I was about to
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ask, because if he inspired you and that was a time when social
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media wasn't. Maybe.
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Fucking Thing. 1007 or 8? Yeah, probably 8.
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Like he was around cars around here and.
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I knew of him, I think because of that, because we had mutual
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street race friends back. Yeah, yeah, that was the big
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thing at the time was just all street racing and Hwy. pole
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stuff. So shit, the idea that someone
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was doing track things to me was very, very appealing because at
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that time it was just like. We'd go to drag strips or it was
11:20
mostly St. stuff, but we would drive a couple hours or
11:22
whatever, go to a drag strip and then it was like, that was fun.
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But like, I always enjoyed, like the aspect of driving, like
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driving, driving. So, like, when I met him, I was
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like, all right. This dude is doing things he's
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already. Treated like this dude's an
11:35
idiot. He can pull this off.
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He's like, no, I can make this. Guy use this guy.
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It's my bad influence. No.
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For like example, the first time I met him we were just like out
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street racing with a bunch of people.
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It was like on the weekend or whatever.
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And he pulled up and we were all getting ready to head to a spot
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and I think he had like a. A bug eye at the time, Yeah,
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yeah. And he was just like, he was
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just down to race. Like it didn't matter.
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He had like golf clubs in the trunk, like he just like came
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back from, I think. Like I was on the road, Chicago,
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I had a spare door in the back. Yeah.
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So like, I ended up like meeting him that night and then like
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found out later that he was someone that slid and I was
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like, yeah, that sounds really appealing, Like.
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And then like we got like each other's numbers or whatever.
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And I was like, all right, I already have an S13 like I'm
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interested in. This I was about to ask, did you
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already have a drift car at this point?
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Cuz you said the bug guy. You didn't have that yet, no.
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OK, so I had a front wheel drive like Volkswagen at the time and
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then he was already doing it and I was already like in the
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process of switching over cuz it sounded cool, but I didn't know
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anybody that did it. So I was like OK.
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I just bought this S13 and he does this so I'm gonna piggy
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back onto that. He was just like, do it.
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Yeah, well, no, this is literally the story of that.
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It was just like a thing that was like, hey, be here this
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weekend. We're going to Dayton.
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Like, you need to go. And I was just like, all right,
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cool. Like, all right.
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And then? And what was in Dayton like?
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Drifting. Yeah, yeah.
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Okay. So drift nd.
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That could have been like a street life tour.
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Even back then, I'm not sure. I think it was just a regular
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like drift day because I was so nervous.
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Most of our drift indie events back then were in Indianapolis,
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actually. Yeah.
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Oh really? OK, that's.
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Yeah, that's where Drift Indie started.
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OK, cool. So did you guys.
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Are you guys the founders? No.
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No, you're not. OK.
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No, just homies. Yeah.
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OK, we were. I was there from the beginning,
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essentially. But I'm not a founder or drift
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indie. Who?
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Who started that? Edgar, TR, and John.
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They're all Edgar. Sounds familiar?
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Yeah. Sermiento TR Shrivner and John
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Gilead. OK.
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Yeah. All right.
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Yeah. So those guys had already been
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driving by the time, like I got into it.
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So I was like, there's already a thing that's built up and I was
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like, this exists. It was very small at the time,
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but like people were doing it, I couldn't imagine.
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I was about to ask like what that event was probably like.
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Like you're showing up how many car like I feel you go to a
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drift event now shit's packed. Yes, I mean it was.
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The first event was 06 and I don't, you know, I don't
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remember how many cars were there, but I would say 30.
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Yeah, I think there was probably 30, you know, mainly two 40s
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back then. Yeah, Stock body 2. 40 and I I
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didn't know a single person because he wasn't coming along
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yet, so we didn't know each other.
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So I was just packing up my own car.
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I had met some guys on Arc 7 Club.
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The forum in high school, Yeah. The forum in high school and.
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We used to go do auto crosses together we because there used
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to be a thing called Rotary revolution and it's kind of like
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I think 7 stock is the thing now maybe, yeah.
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Still, I think. So, so there's a thing called
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Rotary revolution in Indianapolis.
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It was a big, huge event and I met those guys through that.
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And then we were all the same age, and then we became friends
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from that in the forum. And then they'd come up here and
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we'd go to Auto Crosses and drift and then.
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That turned into drift indie being a thing.
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And then that's like, you know, I went down there and knew guys
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from essentially RX7 community. Yeah.
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So you were into the RX7 shift like early?
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Yeah, when I was like 15 is when.
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Yeah, like those. Yeah, like going to high.
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School discovery. Wait, wait, wait.
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What? What?
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How old? How old do you get your license?
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Here 16. That that jumpstarts you pretty
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fucking early in the Seattle can.
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Yeah, cuz what are we 17? Where it's it's 17, but then you
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have a lot of restrictions and I feel like I don't know, most 17
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year old kids nowadays aren't, you know, fucking going in
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there. Like a slammed FC.
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Like, see, like I knew his car before I knew him.
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I I knew like he this dude that had like a slammed FC and that
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he slid it and that's like all that I knew.
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I knew he was gone, a lot like out of town.
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Like that's all it was. You knew he was like, I was just
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traveling. I mean back then there was
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Facebook was a thing, but like, there's no groups.
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You had like 4 friends, even if you were cool.
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Myspace just ended. Yeah, Myspace was over.
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Like fading out. Literally you'd find out about
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events from Flyers like as if it was a punk rock show I.
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Was really about to ask like, what's your source?
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Of and also for there'd be like blogs.
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Yeah, forums, blogs and forums, but like there was blogs and
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you'd like. Start following or favoring A
16:18
blog page because then they might be like, oh here's an
16:21
event coming up and then you know there wasn't pre Reg.
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I don't even think like hardly. You just show up.
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Show up. Yeah, that's crazy.
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That is that's an era that I feel like, yeah that's it would
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it would weed out the people that are like yeah this isn't
16:35
really for me because yeah I feel like it took a little bit
16:37
more effort to like get even just remotely get or find out
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about the see that's why. But that's this is another
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reason why to me it's like that's the first wave Drifters
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because like I never experienced that.
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Like, I mean I can like relate to the like having no drivers at
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the events. Like yeah, yeah, I can
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definitely relate to that and I fucking miss that a lot.
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But I mean, it's a nice that Drifting got.
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So big It's growing. Yeah, but like, dude, finding
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events from Flyers is wild. Yeah.
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And like I was, you know, traveling because, yeah, you
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know, I didn't know much. So I was like, well, I want to
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go compete. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Win a couple
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bucks, you know. And so, like, you know, even the
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organizers back then, like most guys, a lot of organizers were
17:21
they came from something else, like, and that was still kind of
17:24
their background, more so than drifting.
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But they were like, I like the cars sliding around.
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I'll host a drift event, but like a lot of them weren't drift
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people. They were just guys essentially
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supplying a place to go. Yeah, just like Motorsports
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people in general, like they're just down.
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There was. I have a buddy of mine who
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showed me pictures from like early.
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Early early track day in California for like 240SX club
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or something like that or or I forget what it was but the
17:50
purpose of the track day was not drifting.
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It just happened to house drifting and like they were just
17:56
there to like have a track day. Was it kind of similar?
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Kind of no. So we or was it designated?
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Yeah, it was designated around here, like Drift Indy started
18:04
specifically for drifting, but like before that.
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For me, like around here, Club Fr was a thing for a few years
18:10
beforehand, but I never. I never went to one of those
18:13
events because I didn't really discover it until I was probably
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either a senior or out of high school.
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And where were they doing it? Back then they were doing it.
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There was they were using. Road America.
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Oh yeah, there's a cart track there in the middle of Rd.
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America. OK.
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So there was a cart. Really awesome actually.
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Yeah, I was about to say really cool.
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Take a facility. So they they use that there was
18:41
another cart track, I think it was kind of down on the South
18:47
side of like Chicago and I only think they use it a couple
18:51
times. And then tire rack, which is in
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South Bend IN You were gonna say that shit, I thought that.
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I never went never. Is that the one where it was
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like a closed St. Because I seen it on the side of
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the highway, right? Yeah, it's off of like 94, dude.
19:06
I think 90. Seen that before?
19:07
It's off 90. Yeah, like 90, Yeah, so that.
19:09
Sounds interesting. It's like a test track
19:11
essentially. And they had events there, but
19:13
it was super strict because it's like an auto cross place.
19:16
They have sprinklers and stuff and I think, you know, back in
19:21
2000. Four or five, No one's any good,
19:25
so people are certainly going over the sprinklers.
19:28
Yeah, yeah, I remember coming back from like a hot and
19:30
important nights like around 04/05 and there was a couple
19:33
cage cars like in the parking lot and I was like, those are
19:36
drift cars. Like you could just tell they're
19:38
a little beat. Like you could tell they were
19:40
used. And I was like hey, where are
19:42
you guys headed? And they're like, hey, we're
19:43
going to South Bend tomorrow to tire rack.
19:45
There's gonna be a drift event. And like so like that was one of
19:49
my like first times like seeing like anything.
19:51
Street. Drift Like knowing that there's
19:53
actual drift event, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
19:55
It wasn't just like a thing that's out like out West or out
19:59
east. I felt like the Midwest was a
20:00
little bit later as far as like it coming to like fruition.
20:04
But like when it happened, it was like one of those things
20:06
where it started to like pop up like consistently.
20:09
And I was just like, all right, I definitely want to be a part
20:10
of. This, which is wild because
20:12
earlier again I meant, I said like, I feel like there's a lot
20:15
of car shit going on in this like section of the United
20:18
States. There's like a bunch of car shit
20:20
going on, especially with drifting.
20:22
So I was shot. That's that's a shock for me to
20:24
hear. But I saw once that there was a
20:26
drift event where it was like it almost looked like a public Rd.
20:30
that was like closed. That was probably streets of.
20:34
Yeah, and there's. Yeah, yeah.
20:35
Oh, OK. It might have been, yeah.
20:38
In there, like a tall building in the background.
20:41
Yeah, yeah, super. That shit was sick.
20:43
Like what did. Did you guys ever experienced
20:46
that we? Drove that, Yeah, I drove.
20:48
That that was an MDU. So that was Drift Indy.
20:50
Technically, MDU was a competition series they had back
20:54
then, and that was an MDU event. What the fuck?
20:57
Dude, that wasn't that was not too like, we're not talking like
21:00
2000. We're.
21:01
Talking about maybe like 2014 or 14, yeah, that reflects me, two
21:06
years. Two years in a row.
21:07
Yeah, like right around that time.
21:09
Yeah. Yeah.
21:09
I think they did it two years in a row.
21:11
And yeah, they just pretty much like shut off.
21:13
It was like a City Park. And it was like, you know, St.
21:16
roads or whatever. And there is a big train station
21:19
behind it. So I had like a really cool
21:20
backdrop and everything. And that train stations like
21:22
shut down, yeah. It was, but now it's like real
21:25
fancy apartments. They revived all that area.
21:27
So like that'll never. Happen I was there like the year
21:30
after and I got to see like the whole like layout and everything
21:33
I was like so we went. Where they were, we went there a
21:35
year or so after the last time. MDU was there because we parked
21:39
there and did. We took the fixed gears up to
21:42
Detroit. Yeah, yeah, we wrote.
21:43
We rode bikes all through. The bikes.
21:44
It was leading and snowing, and maybe it was absolutely
21:48
miserable. Oh, the perfect time to ride a
21:49
bike. You to do that.
21:50
Finally, we were all probably really warmed up on, you know,
21:54
beverages like, I mean, it was bad, so.
21:58
Our one homie. Michael Tung, he lived in Ann
22:00
Arbor, so he he was living up there at the time and he just
22:04
like invited us as up and like. It seemed like it was going to
22:06
be like, like. That time.
22:08
The year where it could be like 70 or 37.
22:12
Yeah, so. But I mean, it was fun.
22:14
Like everyone was a trooper about it.
22:15
We rode all over the city. That's cool.
22:17
And. Like all the sketchy spots, you
22:19
know it was great. Went to the Packard Plant and
22:22
like. That's cool to see though it.
22:23
Was cool. So you guys are kind of all
22:25
sprinkled throughout the Midwest, the drivers at least?
22:28
So pretty much everybody is in Fort Wayne other than Tom.
22:31
Yeah, and he lives out in California.
22:32
Now Drake's an indie. Oh yeah, my brother's an indie.
22:34
So can't forget about him, right?
22:36
You better not worry about my blood.
22:41
Is he into drifting as well? Yeah, so he has a matching Fd's
22:44
to mine like it's fast as fuck. Like his car is right hand
22:48
drive. That biggest difference?
22:51
I forget that. Is I do too.
22:54
Every month I forget it's right hand drive.
22:56
He has black wheels instead of the luminous wheels.
22:59
But yeah, so like, he started driving with us and then he was
23:02
out in California for a few years.
23:03
He served in the military, was in the Marines, and then he
23:07
drove out there for a while. He was at like, Grange, right?
23:10
Doing. Yeah, he drove, Yeah, Grange a
23:11
bunch, like I think before. It was, yeah.
23:15
That track is fond of shit. Have you guys had the?
23:18
I've never been there, no. I think it's probably the part
23:20
that it's in the middle of the desert.
23:22
For me, that gives me just a great vibe.
23:23
It's like, hey, nobody bothering us out here.
23:25
Yeah, dude, Maybe like you're in the Wild West out there.
23:28
Like it doesn't even fucking matter.
23:29
Helicopter landed on the track, yes.
23:31
It's crazy. Some guy in a quad.
23:33
What the fuck? Broke his neck.
23:34
So they oh, whoa, yeah, they helicoptered him.
23:37
They're like, can, uh, can we land the helicopter here?
23:38
They're like, yeah, I guess so. That was pretty sick, but yeah.
23:41
There's like something similar happened at like Willow Springs
23:44
when I was there where there was or no.
23:46
That was a PIR. A couple of weeks.
23:48
Never mind. Way off.
23:49
Well, people talk shit on California a lot with being real
23:53
strict and all this, but there's areas of California that are way
23:57
not strict on anything. People are just doing whatever
23:59
the fuck they want. I love California, but.
24:04
You don't. I do.
24:05
But like Los Angeles, I'm not really like every 5 minutes when
24:07
we were there. Frankie's like this place is
24:09
fake, I don't think. This place is dude, It's so
24:12
fucking. I've always had a good time out
24:13
there. Yeah, seriously.
24:14
We had a fantastic time and recorded a little parody.
24:17
Yeah, you listen to like the Internet and podcast and like,
24:19
yeah, the place is falling apart and you're like, I mean, yeah,
24:22
there's homeless people, but. I mean, that exists everywhere.
24:26
I saw a crackhead drink it. Remember the crack that I saw?
24:29
There was we're on the street. What was I doing?
24:32
Was I already having a hit? We were literally, I was angry.
24:35
We was angry as fuck, dude. And Frankie is just fucking.
24:39
I'm like, asleep. But then, but we passed this
24:42
crackhead who was sitting there and had a jug of milk.
24:45
It was also just high as shit. I.
24:47
Just saw Carl in the backseat. Is that a fucking crackhead?
24:51
And then I hear is that a fucking jug of milk?
24:54
And he's like, cracking milk is crazy.
24:56
But we came back. We came back.
24:58
So it was a full gallon dude. And then we came back and the
25:02
gallon was like, fucking gone. Whoa.
25:04
Yeah, and it was only like a couple hours.
25:06
I was like, this person drank all the milk, OK?
25:08
It. Was crazy.
25:09
He's not lactose. He's not definitely not lactose.
25:11
I could never. I could never.
25:13
Are you lactose? I'm chilling, but yeah, it's not
25:17
always a good thing. We did not have cheese today.
25:19
That's good. I had a I had a slice of cheese
25:21
earlier. Correct.
25:22
Bless you, Frankie. We're going to die cracking Milk
25:23
goes crazy. Yeah, but not to bring us back
25:29
to drifting. Oh the God forbid.
25:31
Yeah, fuck. But do you remember what you
25:33
guys had for your first month? Like what was done in your drift
25:36
cars back then? Because like you're able to
25:38
drift them. But I feel like right now I feel
25:40
like a topic at hand is that everyone overbuilds their shit.
25:44
Da da da da da da da. We all hear.
25:45
It I feel like Derek's going to answer this question.
25:47
Totally fine. And DK is going to be like I had
25:50
17 cars before I drifted or some shit like well, you said Bug
25:53
eye, but. Then you also said you'll see
25:55
and I'm like, why? Do you have a bug drifting well
25:56
before the bug? Yeah, he was, yeah, well before,
25:59
but I guess. But he always had a bunch of
26:00
cars, so like that's never, that's always been a constant.
26:03
Yeah, he's. Just always a wild card, I
26:05
guess. Dude, there's too many cars here
26:07
right now. Go ahead and you could purchase
26:10
a few. Maybe get some of your friends
26:12
to. If we had a trailer right now,
26:14
we really could have brought one back.
26:15
Hell yeah, cuz I. Had a trailer for sale too.
26:18
We could sell you a car and a trailer.
26:20
I got a truck for sale car trailer.
26:22
I saw you had some 2 wheel toys. I like the two wheel toys.
26:25
Right now, I would. Like one of those was for sale.
26:28
Yeah, he'll literally buy one. That's dangerous.
26:30
Shut up. No, but setup stuff.
26:32
What did you feel like? Like your first.
26:33
Like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it was.
26:37
Get a diff that works. Weld it or whatever.
26:40
Back in the early days, I didn't know that.
26:43
You know you couldn't get parts on eBay.
26:46
No, there wasn't. There wasn't like cat backs,
26:48
knockoffs or anything. So you had to either.
26:52
Like forums. Yeah, you didn't.
26:53
You know there was no used parts floating around.
26:55
Hardly at all. At least around here, you know
26:57
things were different. Probably out East and West, but
27:00
would you say so, Frankie? When I was.
27:03
I mean, but I start. I'm talking like, Oh yeah, 060,
27:06
yeah, it's. Too far of a difference.
27:08
Like you couldn't get on eBay and get a cat back that.
27:10
Yeah, like for 300 bucks I already had to buy.
27:12
I already know what the stock image looks like.
27:15
You had to buy Apexi, like my first exhaust.
27:17
For my first Arc Seven, I had to buy a real Apexi in one with
27:21
like I didn't eat lunch in high school because I saved my lunch
27:24
money. And like.
27:26
It's so real. So real.
27:28
Bad up, you know. Like you gotta wait for the
27:30
apexy the the apexy deal that are posted on Sylvia.
27:33
Or so, yeah, I wish I remember who I even like order that
27:36
through. But I don't you.
27:38
Know everything at that time, like anything that was ordered,
27:40
it was all universal. It's like universal bucket
27:42
seats, it's universal like just whatever it is.
27:45
So it's all like kind of like knock off?
27:48
Ish. Yeah.
27:48
Stuff or just like APC or like. You know what I mean.
27:52
It's like. In between that early like
27:54
tuner, Yeah, like kind of. Like the ads in Import Tuner.
27:57
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
27:58
So magazines, were you still like a magazine catalog ordering
28:02
from there type of generation? Yeah, I'd say that probably
28:04
could have been where I ordered that exhaust.
28:06
I was heavy magazines. Like, yeah, Super street, like
28:09
we didn't have, like, shops here, you know?
28:11
Yeah, like speed shops. There was a couple like street
28:13
race shops, but like. It was hot.
28:16
It was hot. Important in style.
28:17
Yeah, it was just Honda stuff, mostly like.
28:18
They're probably just fronts anyways.
28:20
So like, we definitely are ordering, not ordering drift car
28:23
parts, you know? Yeah, we could get that.
28:26
Just leave the money right here. So that's what I've been doing
28:28
wrong. Yeah, it's a lot of sense now.
28:30
Well, they mentioned you guys mentioned street racing, so I
28:33
was gonna kind of just assume Honda cuz it's that generation
28:37
where? In fact, there was a lot of
28:39
Hondas back then. Like caught in port night shit.
28:40
Yeah, it was that. And then like here, like a lot
28:43
of domestics too. So it was always like us being
28:45
like in the Midwest. There's always that like very
28:47
heavy, like domestic, like car, like Vibe for sure.
28:50
Yeah, Trans Am. Dude, there's so once you get
28:54
like, I remember driving around Michigan, just like, holy shit,
28:57
there are so many American cars on the road, you don't see that
29:01
where? We oh, it's still like that.
29:02
And also like. Yeah, you know in Detroit area
29:06
it's just like, yeah, Mopar, you know, everything is.
29:09
Cadillac, like. A lot of Chevy like.
29:11
And then by us it's like Toyota, dude, it's Toyota, Toyota,
29:14
Toyota, Toyota, Toyota everywhere.
29:16
I think it's just because they everybody in our.
29:18
I feel like everybody in our area never maintains a car ever.
29:23
Toyota you don't need to, but. Yes, Sir, a lot of Hondas.
29:26
But California, dude, there were a lot of Toyota that was next
29:29
level. Toyota Too many.
29:30
Like, every kind that you could imagine.
29:33
That was weird. It was very weird.
29:34
Kind of crazy how? Like different sect.
29:36
I mean, the fucking Midwest thing makes sense, but like
29:39
different areas of the country have.
29:41
You you can't notice it. If you look around you will
29:43
notice. It or just if we're just
29:44
Silverado here. Yeah, we're Silverado.
29:47
I'm on board with that big, big Silverado guy, GMT8.
29:50
Frankie was allegedly cruising on the four. 100 guy,
29:52
personally, which GMT400, So that's the more boxy, yeah, Was
29:57
that the one that I pointed out? Earlier, probably.
29:58
Well, that was a Suburban, but you see that, that right there,
30:00
that's a truck to me, I think of Suburban and that's the one I
30:03
think of because I could draw it.
30:05
I do like I do like mine, but I need a dermat.
30:09
Yours is yeah, yours is nice. That that is the only one.
30:12
I talk shit on it all the time because I have a Sequoia.
30:14
I don't know. It's like, how much older can
30:16
you go with trucks before you're like, maybe I shouldn't be
30:18
fucking using this as a tow rig. They all suck though.
30:21
Yeah, so, like, it doesn't really matter.
30:23
Like, even a new one. Everything sucks.
30:26
Yeah, I mean all you hear about is new vehicles ending up in the
30:30
dealership with you know transfer a warranty job or
30:33
something. Wait, Derek, do you tow do you
30:35
now? For those of you who are
30:37
listening and aren't on the video portion and you won't even
30:39
see this anyway. But behind the camera is Derek's
30:41
FD, and I'm just looking at it all the time.
30:44
Yeah, you St. drive this thing, yeah.
30:46
Yeah, so like you drove it here. Yeah.
30:49
Well, yeah, it's a shocker in its own.
30:51
I mean like look how low. That shit is.
30:53
It is crazy, yeah. I don't know, Like, for whatever
30:55
reason, I enjoy that aspect of like, driving it to and from
30:59
events like Towings. Definitely like takes some of
31:03
the stress out of it for sure. Like typically like if we go
31:07
over 7 hours I try to tow just in case it's because like I've
31:12
been burnt once before so I had like an ECU like burn up which
31:16
was my problem. Like it was my fault, but we
31:20
were maybe sliding on the way to the event and I might have
31:23
pulled the harness down and yeah.
31:25
Was that like, on the way to Nashville?
31:26
Yeah. Yeah.
31:27
Yeah, so bro, you guys are naming.
31:30
So yeah, so you guys get around 7 hours is like not a short
31:34
bracket, like it's like, yeah, if it's a little more than 77,
31:38
we'll take you around the a good chunk of the country.
31:40
So I say 7 because I think USA is like basically like 7.
31:45
On paper, yeah, yeah. Really it's more like are we 7
31:48
hours away from USA are still? Not feel the same way.
31:50
Where are we do? Depending on like Chicago
31:53
traffic for sure, that's usually like the variable, but like.
31:56
I like to drive it up to Wisconsin a lot.
31:58
Like that's definitely, probably like maybe that's why I came up
32:01
with that a little bit like that, that 7 hours, yeah, but
32:05
like very specific. We went to West Virginia last
32:08
year. What was that?
32:10
That's eight. OK, so it was 8 hours. 8 hours
32:12
last year. Little over the bread, little
32:14
over the. But also we have like, you know.
32:16
I'm the only one that towed out to that event.
32:18
Yeah, so we all should throw everything.
32:20
So what do you do at, like spare tires and stuff?
32:22
Just. They go in the back of my truck.
32:24
Yeah. So you need.
32:26
So you need somebody. Someone needs a trailer.
32:28
So most of the time, like for whatever reason, like my car
32:30
doesn't go through like a whole lot of tires.
32:32
Like, I don't know if it's just possibly because of the weight
32:34
of the car. I mean, there's definitely a
32:36
bunch of like different factors, but I usually always have two
32:39
new tires SO2 new that's on like the rear and then two that's in
32:43
the car. I always have one in the
32:44
passenger seat and then one in the Hatch just because.
32:47
That's all that it'll fit. How much power does the car
32:49
make? Right now I'd say probably a
32:52
little over three in between 300 and 3:50.
32:54
A bullshit okay. Slower than that, Dirk?
32:58
Yeah, yeah, Yeah. Wait, you think it's slower?
33:00
Yeah. So it's probably.
33:01
Like 300? Yeah, my turbo's.
33:04
Like as old as I am at this point because.
33:06
I always. Videos and like.
33:08
I always think 300 horsepower, that's like a good number.
33:11
That's a space, like a streetcar driving new events.
33:13
Yeah, not using a lot of tires, like still having fun.
33:16
Yeah, I don't like break too much stuff.
33:18
Yeah, exactly. Like, yeah, but it might be a
33:20
little under 300 right now. My I have a pretty old like a
33:23
Pexi like Turbo set up on it. That is.
33:27
It's a dinosaur. Yeah, so like.
33:30
Newer, efficient setups are definitely like in the future.
33:32
Yeah, so we like dinosaur technology too.
33:36
You. Literally everyone.
33:37
But you know, you literally do too.
33:39
I do too. Yeah, so we like that dinosaur
33:40
technology, but then like, you see like the new G Series turbos
33:44
and shit and you're like, OK, this is.
33:45
We were talking earlier about like the the Pexi, like Power
33:48
FC, like I ran the power of C for, I don't know, maybe eight
33:52
years or whatever and never had issues with it.
33:54
So I was like. It works.
33:55
I'm not changing it. Yeah.
33:57
And then I kind of had some weird electrical things.
33:59
So over time, I was like, all right, it makes sense to switch
34:03
to a newer unit because there's just so many benefits.
34:07
And fail safes. Yeah, I mean that's the thing
34:09
for us cuz everyone's telling me do not put a fucking power of
34:13
seat back in my car cuz. It's like a HKS 2.2 Sr. and
34:18
like, I don't know, it's still got an old ass turbo.
34:20
I'm gonna run A20G, dude, and the turbo looks all the shit.
34:23
Yeah, I have. The sounds.
34:24
Exactly. That's all I cared about.
34:25
Exactly, yeah. But then they're like, don't put
34:27
a fucking Power FC on it. I'm like, yeah, I get it, but
34:31
like. Dude having the controller.
34:32
I want the controller, yeah. Like as long as someone can tune
34:35
it like. Yeah, I mean.
34:37
I mean, we don't even run fail safes on our shit.
34:39
Definitely. Yeah, fail safe.
34:42
Keep an eye on that wide band. Exactly.
34:45
Like, look at your fucking gauges while you're driving.
34:47
Like, yeah, something bad could happen.
34:49
I get it. But I'd rather, I'd rather just.
34:52
I don't know. I like older shit.
34:54
I'd rather keep it like analog. I don't want to go into the new
34:56
world. It's literally the controller.
34:58
It is the controller too that it is for me, just because when I
35:00
watch those videos, like they're the controllers right there.
35:04
Dude, every time I was telling. I don't know if I was.
35:07
I couldn't have been talking to them at a Pexi.
35:09
I was talking to like Jimmy Oaks or something.
35:11
I was like, dude, if they just if Link just made a commander,
35:15
how fucking hard is that? It's so easy to do if if one of
35:19
these companies just made that, they would get all of us.
35:21
Well, it's so nice to be like done with a run.
35:23
You see all of your peak values and then you can clear them and
35:26
now you're good for your next run.
35:28
Without having like a laptop, but obviously like dashes, you
35:31
know, fancy. Yeah, dashes and stuff you have
35:34
like. Capabilities for that.
35:35
Yeah, but I still feel like that's.
35:36
Like a level above. You know what I mean?
35:40
Like I'm gonna rip my whole dash out.
35:41
Well, for example, I would fucking never do that shit.
35:44
Like so. I think race dashes are cool and
35:47
then you get one for a while and then I'm like, like my FD has a
35:51
race pack in it and it looks sweet in there, don't be wrong.
35:55
But like then I get, you know, look in Derek's car and I see
35:59
like just the stock ages in the FD look cool.
36:01
Yeah. And I'm like.
36:03
Damn, this just seems even like almost more race car than having
36:06
a race stash. Yeah, because it's like older,
36:09
but like, yeah, I feel like I get that vibe from you, like you
36:12
like to kind of do some modern shit sometimes, but also like
36:15
the older stuff too, so. Honestly, whatever makes sense,
36:19
you know? Yeah, like a lot of these cars,
36:21
I didn't build like I bought them like that and then, you
36:24
know, put your own, did my. Own stuff here and there, but.
36:27
You know, like I didn't put the race pack in my FD, so like that
36:31
was the I didn't do much of that car except coil overs and make
36:35
it worse all around everywhere else, you know?
36:38
Dude, that car when it had the fucking GTR wheels.
36:43
It never, never really had. OK, you just put them on.
36:46
Oh yeah, only on one side, dude. Dude, that's.
36:49
Yeah. There were 20, yeah.
36:51
No, I put them on just to see and I'm like, that would never
36:53
work in any lifetime. It looks so good though.
36:57
Wait, so which one of these is your main ship that you that you
37:00
drift? Do?
37:00
You have? Honestly, do you have a main I?
37:02
Haven't had a main since I got rid of the skyline and I haven't
37:05
had a main, So that's the car that Frankie kept.
37:07
He's like, dude. Scroll down, find the skyline
37:10
like. Look into your profile.
37:11
Yeah, I'm like scrolling down. I'm like, OK, apparently Derek
37:14
fucking hated this car. I had that car for 10 years.
37:17
Yeah, that's what I thought. I just, I after a while I knew
37:20
that I wanted to be in an RX7 again.
37:23
And so I got rid of it for an FC with an LS and I drove the 1st
37:29
Street League with it. And I just wasn't a fan of the
37:33
LS. It wasn't like, crazy powerful,
37:35
and it wasn't that it was lacking power.
37:36
Just. It was an iron block, so I don't
37:39
know if it made the car heavier. No, I don't.
37:43
It just pivoted different. It felt like, in my opinion,
37:45
could have just been in my head too.
37:46
But I did one event and I was like, I can't, it's not for me.
37:51
And then? Probably not going to act the
37:52
same way as the Rotary as far as the way the weight.
37:54
The weight's probably not much different, but it is, I think,
37:57
positioned slightly farther forward.
37:59
Yeah, yeah. And, you know, I probably
38:01
shouldn't feel that, but like it just, you know, maybe it was a
38:04
sounds to you. You know, I like driving.
38:06
I like driving a car with a clutch a lot.
38:08
So you know, like my 33 had a laggy 60-1 Garrett non ball
38:14
bearing. So like, I had to really like
38:16
drive that thing off. Yeah, and it was fun and so.
38:19
And that was at RB25. Yeah, yeah, yeah, dude.
38:22
Yeah, I loved seeing that. I don't know which final bout
38:24
you guys went to, but one of those, you went with that car.
38:27
I did two or three, yeah. So either did two final bouts
38:31
and then the gallery with it. I think I was up there maybe
38:33
three times with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
38:35
Yeah. Was that car two different
38:37
colors? Like you painted it blue.
38:40
After so when I first threw a kit on I got like a Uris kit and
38:45
then and then we garage painted it.
38:48
We garage no we painted it like a ATI.
38:51
Don't know teal green. Yeah and B Wags.
38:54
That's what I remember. It turned out like sandpaper
38:57
but. Yeah, we've all done that.
39:00
So it was it was like that that color for a while.
39:05
And then? And then I did BN, You're
39:07
excited at the same time. And then I did BN.
39:09
And then that's when it got turned to actual breaking blue.
39:11
Yeah. Yeah, and I remember.
39:13
That's when I started drifting it.
39:14
I remember hearing something about.
39:16
I think this was after the final bout and shit, but your quarter
39:18
panel was dented. All the football, dude.
39:22
Jesus. That was.
39:24
That's a still ongoing joke. Yeah yeah, refresh my memory
39:28
because like. I don't actually know where it
39:31
began, but so so just like S chassis, you know you pull the
39:34
fenders in the back too far and they'll pop.
39:36
In Dent, yeah. So my 33 did that, yeah, because
39:40
I pulled the wheels or the fenders out a lot to fit some
39:43
like. A BC exclusive 11 1/2 wide you
39:46
know just yeah and and it popped in and I couldn't get it out
39:51
because the way those chassis are you can't access in there
39:55
like you can like an S chassis. It's.
39:57
All you can get pretty far in there, but I put a football in
40:01
mine too, so. So the 33 is like the rear shock
40:04
tower, boxes all that in. There's no way to access it.
40:06
Obviously you could start cutting holes and then getting
40:09
in there, but yeah, it stayed dented forever.
40:12
Yeah, at some point on Facebook or something, someone was like,
40:18
all right, you know, I posted a picture of the car and like 30
40:20
different people. Like, you know, you could put a
40:22
football in there and then it just like.
40:25
So we all run with it, of course, and every time we would
40:27
like, see and be like, hey, you know.
40:29
Yeah, OK, so that was a joke. So everyone was fucking busting
40:32
your balls. Yeah.
40:33
But I don't. It's like one of those things,
40:34
you know how like something gonna have 30 comments, but you
40:37
only see like two. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
40:38
So like, they didn't see that 20 other people.
40:41
Are already recommended. Dude, I don't know man.
40:45
Your Facebook and Instagram probably gave me a lot of
40:49
entertainment over the last 10 years, so I want to thank you
40:51
for that. But I was back in my drinking
40:53
days, dude. Yeah, it was off the wall.
40:55
Yeah dude, it was some funny fucking times.
40:58
But yeah, I dude, I ended up putting a football on my fucking
41:00
quarter panel and it did kind of help.
41:02
I feel like another friend of mine has did the same thing and
41:05
I feel like this came in to come.
41:06
This is so fucking weird. That we're mentioning in there
41:08
though? Even with the over Fender, I
41:11
don't think I took that shit out.
41:13
That's just working a little. While to me, but yeah that that
41:17
that came up recently because somebody else had a dent in
41:19
their quarter or made it might have been their Fender or their
41:22
door And I literally was like I said might have said it just
41:26
like that. I'm like, you know, you could
41:27
put a football in there and I'm like, fuck, that's like.
41:31
One of those, like old Sylvia recommendations that people
41:34
probably just stumble upon. Yeah, it was sticky somewhere.
41:37
I mean, it's a kind of a good fucking idea, to be honest with
41:40
you. No, that I think it's a legit
41:42
like Body Shop trick because there's like a tool that has
41:45
like a hand pump I think that they buy that resembles.
41:47
It's a sort of football. The thing is, like that dent was
41:50
not getting pushed out with that football.
41:52
That's all I remember. I remember like unless I left it
41:54
inflated in. There.
41:55
Exactly. That's that's what you have to
41:57
do. Like, that's why I think my car
41:58
still has that shit in there. But yeah, I just remember that I
42:02
was like, I need to ask him about this.
42:04
Another thing I need to ask you guys who decided?
42:07
The Wheel Color Derek by Insky. Yeah, yeah.
42:10
So actually I think DK at the time I got the car wanted to
42:19
change the wheels pretty quick cuz I wanted to make it mine.
42:24
And I was kind of thinking about different colors and stuff, and
42:28
he said that something popped up on zip Tide.
42:30
And I wanna say, I think it was like Powers or somebody was
42:34
selling, yeah. Yeah, that makes sense.
42:36
Yeah, he was selling some like 57DS or something, Yeah.
42:39
And I was like, I'd already seen an FC that was in Japan on that
42:45
colorway. It was blue with luminous
42:46
wheels. And I was like, all right.
42:49
Yeah, and that was back when it wasn't really, like, popular
42:52
here. Yeah, it was like just starting.
42:54
Yeah, I think that the time the only wheels that were like
42:57
available in that color were the gram lights and maybe some Weds
43:01
and like the Wed sports. And like a lot of those didn't
43:04
really make it over here for whatever reason.
43:06
So like I ended up just getting some secondhand wheels and then
43:11
it just, I don't know, like it kind of naturally happened.
43:13
So it like worked really well because I had Chrome wheels on
43:16
it before, which like I really liked but like they just didn't
43:20
seem like. That's what it needed to be, I
43:25
guess. Yeah, yeah.
43:26
Yeah. I was like, all right.
43:27
It wasn't spicy enough. Dude, it's crazy cuz it's like I
43:30
feel like that is something that would be hard to get all your
43:33
friends on board with, you know what I mean?
43:34
But I could never for. Some reason why you guys are
43:36
down. His car was really cool like
43:38
right away with those. So it was pretty much like
43:40
everything was the coolest car to drift into events.
43:43
Yeah, he showed up with. It wasn't even stock body.
43:46
It was like all stock with like a from bumper.
43:49
Yeah, like I had like a sea W front bumper, like feed skirts.
43:53
Like, it had like different. Yeah, it had like the feed, like
43:56
sidesteps, yeah, yeah. But like it was like stock.
43:59
Yeah, Yeah. Just like stock and body just
44:01
really low with you had the 57. 57DS in the.
44:06
These in the front and then the forged in the rear.
44:09
It's always been 1718 staggers, so just like that's cool.
44:12
Trying to keep like the nose, like the front of the car down
44:15
low while it's sliding still, just because they kind of dip
44:17
quite a bit like just from the factory, like they'd squat quite
44:21
a bit so. OK, Yeah, I don't know anything
44:23
about FDS as far as like Wheel Fitments is 1718 kind of like a
44:27
popular thing? I think.
44:29
Kind of standard nowadays is like eighteens all around.
44:31
That's always kind of been the thing.
44:33
But I knew that like anytime I would like to see them, even
44:35
like in Japan when they had eighteens on the front and look
44:38
kind of tall. And I didn't want that.
44:41
Yeah, on the front. Well, that and, like, I knew if
44:43
I ran like a 17, like, I still had a like decent amount of room
44:47
and I could put a decent tire on it.
44:49
So like, I'm not rubbing like running rubber bands and like,
44:53
rubbing everywhere. It still rubs, even with the
44:55
seventeens. Yeah, like, it's made a lot of
44:57
room over the years. Like through, just like.
44:59
Self clearance, yeah, yeah. For sure like.
45:02
Lower control, but dude, you put eighteens on there, It's like.
45:05
A Oh, fuck yeah. Contacting everything.
45:07
Yeah, You just have to like put it up in the air at that point.
45:09
You know, I'm not up in the air, but it just has to be a little
45:12
bit higher. And like that kind of wasn't
45:13
something I really wanted to like do with the Still don't
45:17
want to do, but yeah. 1718 is the way if the car looks good
45:20
with it, like that's, yeah. I think.
45:22
It's crazy just because you're like, did it, did it evolve into
45:26
this there? It's always like, I don't know,
45:28
I'm I might just be reflecting it to mine, but like I feel like
45:31
I was on a wrong path, then I jump back on the right path,
45:33
then back wrong, then back on right and then.
45:36
Just like hopping back and forth on what I think is correct.
45:40
I don't personally think he's ever had a bad version.
45:42
Of that's what I'm about to ask is like, was there ever a
45:44
regretful mod you did rough sometimes with like Broken
45:48
Arrow, but like it looked really cool.
45:49
Yeah, still probably right. Like, damn man.
45:52
I mean a lot of just like I'm pretty nerdy about it.
45:55
So like I obsessed as why I like getting.
45:58
Yeah, well, like I. Just you could tell.
46:00
Obsessed over like each piece and like kind of envisioning
46:03
them in my head like how they would look.
46:05
And like then like waiting sometimes years in order to find
46:08
like certain pieces like arrow pieces and stuff, just cuz it
46:11
was hard to get stuff in the States or whatever.
46:13
So like it was it, it was definitely really thought out.
46:16
But like there was times where it was very rough.
46:18
I mean quarters got punched in or broken skirts from you know
46:22
mistakes sliding off or dirt dropping or whatever.
46:24
So like, it's definitely seen like some stages that were
46:28
pretty rough, but like, I definitely like.
46:30
Felt like very like intentional on a lot of the decisions I
46:33
made, yeah. I feel like we were just talking
46:36
about this with someone else about how you know how I was
46:39
saying like it's you want to keep your car looking good and
46:42
everything, which this is a perfect example.
46:44
Bro, that was literally us on the way here, dude.
46:46
We were having this conversation.
46:48
It was me. It's hard, man.
46:49
It's. It was me you were having a
46:51
conversation with? Sure.
46:52
Yes, because. It was just 600 miles ago.
46:55
Yeah, yeah, exactly. I have a I have a thing.
46:58
And I might have just learned this from Frankie, because.
47:01
Like a lot of people are super focused on just like during each
47:05
other and having a demo Derby. And like, I don't know.
47:09
There's a part of me where since I work hard on something, I want
47:11
it to look good. I want it to slide and look that
47:14
way that I pictured in my head, that I don't really want
47:17
somebody to just come tank my shit.
47:19
That doesn't mean I don't want to drive and I don't want to
47:21
have a good time, but like, I need it to look good all the
47:24
time. It could be a hunk of shit to
47:26
other people, but to me, if it looks good, it's good to me.
47:29
Which is like so arrow on all the time.
47:32
Yeah, even if it's broken, I'll repair it in the pit with the
47:35
blue duct tape roll that I have. Yeah, repair it, put it back on
47:38
the car. My is is blue as well, which is
47:40
funny because. I was actually, yeah.
47:43
Yeah, you'd get some green wheels.
47:44
You'd be all right. They're not green.
47:46
They're like. Yeah, in my head they're green.
47:48
But why they're not? I wanted some luminous stuff
47:50
like that too, just because I feel like it's not rowdy enough
47:52
with my plain white wheels. But like I don't think.
47:55
It's funny that you said you had Chrome, because I was like,
47:57
damn, I would like Chrome wheels.
47:58
Yeah, but like that's like your signature look now like the.
48:02
Yeah. That's exactly like and I'll be
48:06
straight up honest if it was any other group of I don't think you
48:09
guys, I don't think they would nail it.
48:11
I didn't even know there. Was killing this shit.
48:13
I don't know how because. For a long while, he nails it.
48:15
I just kind of ride the coattails.
48:16
Yeah, yeah. I've seen your skyline.
48:18
So it was. It was.
48:19
He pretends like, no, everything that like from like his 911 to
48:24
his FDE to whatever he builds like it's it still has like
48:28
those characteristics of like a hard streetcar.
48:30
Yeah, and like, that's what we. I mean, that's what gets us
48:33
excited exactly. COM cars are so cool and they
48:36
can be really neat and done like so professionally.
48:40
But like, there's a difference between like something that only
48:43
exists on the track versus something that like, you can see
48:45
it in a city, you can see it going down the street late at
48:48
night. Like, it's just a different like
48:50
feeling that it gives. And like that's always something
48:52
that's like, I don't know, kind of excited me because like, it
48:56
has like a duality to it. Like doesn't look sick on the
48:58
street and it looks sick on the track.
49:00
Like to me like I'm trying to like optimize like the amount of
49:04
time that I can spend with like. That vehicle.
49:06
Yeah, now you said exactly how I feel.
49:08
Yeah, holy crap. Brilliant.
49:11
Like I want. I want the car to look.
49:13
It's more important how it looks on the street than anything else
49:16
to me. Like, I want it to look like a
49:17
cool, like you see it driving down the highway.
49:19
You're like that shit's sick, not.
49:21
Like I feel silly sometimes cuz like since it's like the yellow
49:23
and blue, like yeah it's such high.
49:25
It is kind of like a racy. Look, yeah, it's like very like
49:28
Boy Eraserish. But I mean that has to do with
49:30
like me getting older, I think a little bit too, like I'm a
49:33
little more like. Self-conscious of it cuz I was
49:35
like man, I'm driving a huge RC car.
49:37
Yeah, but I mean, I love it. At the same time, it's.
49:39
Kind of how you feel when you put vinyl on the car too, cuz
49:42
then you're like, is this car even like, should I be driving
49:45
this shit? I'm kind of old.
49:47
Yeah, I get what you're saying, but like you guys literally
49:49
like. That's basically where I was
49:51
going with this whole I mean, you could be 40 years old
49:54
driving that around and feeling like a kid, or you could be 40
49:57
years old yelling at a TV screen because your football team
50:00
didn't score. Yeah.
50:01
So like, yeah, it's all, it's all just different stuff.
50:04
Yeah, for sure. We're all we're all still kids.
50:06
Really, truly love. Like, I feel like it's important
50:09
to play to that side of you where you're like, this is the
50:13
shit I wanted when I was a kid. Yeah, that too.
50:15
Like if you're not making yourself happy with that, I feel
50:18
like it's not really. Like, you're not really making
50:21
yourself happy, then you're not like, living up to what you
50:24
wanted to do, you know? Yeah.
50:25
For sure. I mean, cuz there's definitely
50:27
parts of me still that I'll walk into the grocery store and it's
50:30
not like I take it there very often, but there's sometimes
50:32
where I'm like out, like I'll be over at like Derek's or
50:34
something and I'm like driving home and I need to like pick
50:37
something up and then like on the way back out or as I'm
50:40
walking away I'm kind of like. All right.
50:42
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's that feeling, dude.
50:46
That's that shit. Yeah, yeah.
50:48
Or like you hear a song playing, like you had to go somewhere.
50:51
Then you hear a song playing or something or something on TV and
50:54
you're like, I'm going to take the fucking drift car to go get
50:56
milk. Yeah, for sure.
50:58
Yeah. Cuz I got to go down that one
51:00
Rd. Yeah.
51:01
For me it's like I don't know this is also might sound stupid
51:06
but if the three quarter view of a car.
51:10
You know when you walk away from it, yeah, I get rich.
51:13
And that three quarter view, so important, It's like the most
51:16
important view to me. Yeah, if something about the car
51:19
looks weird in that view, then I'm it's just gonna bother me
51:22
forever. Mine is the side.
51:23
Profile You like the side profile A. 100%, yeah.
51:26
Yeah. Damn.
51:27
OK. Just the side of the car is if
51:30
that's not perfect, like if it's too high or too low in one part,
51:33
like. I think that's probably why I
51:35
like rotaries, because all of them have that profile, like if
51:39
you look. At that.
51:41
That's an FB right under there. It's an essay, but same thing.
51:43
Or essay. Sorry, but the IT has that.
51:47
The fact that you're that shit like what I would have been
51:50
like. Well, there's a, well, there's a
51:52
common trend around here, yeah. So I kind of just assumed.
51:55
That it was. But it has that has that shape
51:58
you know of like a race car and like I don't think that'll ever
52:02
get old, at least hopefully to any of us because.
52:06
If we don't have that, then what the hell do we got?
52:07
It's like the like the idea of like a kind of like front
52:11
engine, rear drive, like typically like the seatings like
52:13
back A little bit further has a little bit longer textbooks.
52:16
Yeah, silhouette of that, in a way.
52:18
It's like hot wheel silhouette, but On the contrary, DK you have
52:22
you have a front wheel drive like car.
52:26
It's like it. I don't really know.
52:28
Like I wouldn't have guessed. That you would have right?
52:30
Like we don't know where you're. Going like, damn, you just like
52:33
to try a bunch of shit. That was one of our, that was
52:35
Camden's one of our teammates car and he got that I think when
52:38
he was probably before they were illegal in the US allegedly, but
52:44
yeah. So that was the only one that's
52:46
bagged in here. So, like, I feel like that's a
52:48
special car. It's really nice.
52:50
Probably the coolest one I got, yeah.
52:53
I don't know. You got a.
52:55
You got some cool stuff. Yeah, you know what?
52:57
I want to talk about that Red FC outside.
53:00
Yeah, yeah. What's?
53:01
The deal with that one? What's the story with that?
53:03
So that was an old, risky devil car.
53:05
I had a feeling, yeah, I saw the the junk that was David Lee's
53:10
car back in the day and then it got parted slightly, pieced back
53:14
together and then one of his Risky Devil teammates ended up
53:19
with it in Ann Arbor. And then it was a huge it's a
53:25
basket case and then I traded my S2000 for it recently with hopes
53:31
to maybe revive it. But I just It's kind of the back
53:34
burner. Who knows how long, but.
53:35
I mean, you got a lot of fucking projects.
53:37
You traded a whole ASS S2000 for an RX7.
53:40
For an RX7 and then you use the word basket case.
53:45
I'm like. Damn.
53:47
Something's not headed up here. Now it doesn't around.
53:49
Here, it's a passion. It's a.
53:51
This is like there's a garage of passion in here.
53:54
But. Yeah.
53:55
Like. I don't know, man, that for me
53:57
that's sick. Just 'cause I know one day
54:00
hopefully it'll get used for something.
54:02
Yeah. You seem to not like to sell
54:04
stuff, so yeah, that's a problem.
54:06
That's that's one of my biggest faults, I'd say.
54:09
I know you're I know you don't have a realistic number, but if
54:11
you had to take a guess on how many cars you owned.
54:13
Good luck owned. Someone asked me today and I
54:16
have them all written down, so I just took a picture of that and
54:18
sent it to him. OK, it was like 22.
54:21
I think that's it between me and my wife, yeah.
54:23
No. No, no, that's right.
54:25
Now, how many? No, right.
54:26
NOT like. Oh, I meant like, over.
54:28
Yeah. Oh, like right now you have 22.
54:31
Yeah, just so everyone heard that.
54:32
Oh. Right now, he's got. 22 colors?
54:35
I was like 22. Sounds like a low number for his
54:38
lifetime. Yeah, I don't know.
54:39
Whatever it is. It's probably got to be in the
54:40
hundreds. You think?
54:43
It's definitely over 100. I feel like getting.
54:44
Over 100 since but like I don't. That's The thing is like I have
54:48
20 some now because like I don't like to get rid of them.
54:51
So, like, yeah, of course I'll buy something that I'm like, oh,
54:55
I thought I'd like this and it was cool, but I'm over it for
54:58
now, you know, so. It's typically typically like an
55:01
exchange. It's like but.
55:03
You swap cars a lot, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Trade them.
55:06
Yeah. I mean, so knowing you through
55:08
Instagram, for the most part, I didn't know what to expect when
55:11
we came here. But then when we came here, I
55:12
was like, holy shit, there's a. Lot bro, I was just woke up.
55:15
I really was like having a coffee.
55:18
Cranky's like looking for the house.
55:20
I was like, yeah, they'll have some cool cars.
55:21
And I'm like, I'm like, I see a not that many be over there.
55:24
Are you sure it might not be that one?
55:26
Yeah. So.
55:28
No, it's awesome, dude. It's so cool to see like, I
55:31
don't know, like you don't really see this in Jersey, like.
55:34
A selection like this so much Because again, yeah, you don't.
55:37
Yeah. I mean, it's a space thing too.
55:39
Like, I mean, we talked about prices for shops and whatnot.
55:41
Yeah, yeah, everything's a lot of money in that area.
55:43
So like, no one really has space to store anything.
55:47
So. But, and I feel like drifting is
55:49
different over there, dude, you know what I mean?
55:52
Well, I'm just saying, do they have takeovers here?
55:53
Is that a thing here? It's yeah, it's like caught on
55:56
in the last couple summers. I've not.
55:58
I've never seen one happening. Neither have we.
56:00
We have not been in one. Maybe it's just not real.
56:03
It's all fake. Yeah, right.
56:05
Yeah. It's all spoken here.
56:06
It's what the media wants you to believe in.
56:07
It's an industry. Plan.
56:10
That's what we prefer to think that those are just like kind of
56:13
a nonfactor. If you don't see them happening,
56:15
then yeah, just keep, just keep taking their.
56:16
Face That's good. I see the cars like when we're
56:19
St. driving and stuff, we get revved out by them, but.
56:21
Like. Outside of that, we don't really
56:24
fuck with this dude. They would light your shit up if
56:27
they saw that driving on. Yo, come over here.
56:29
Follow us. That shit scares me.
56:32
Me too. But I mentioned that because
56:35
like, would you say the Drifting Community has gotten like, I
56:40
don't know, do you enjoy it more now or do you enjoy it?
56:43
Or what aspects did you enjoy about about drifting more back
56:46
then? Than now so I feel like it's
56:49
definitely changed but I've I want I'm curious to hear from
56:52
you. I'm.
56:52
Very curious. So at a young age, you know when
56:55
you're learning to drift and doing that and no one else is
56:59
doing it, it's kind of like being the dude that could tray
57:03
flip a six set of stairs. That's a perfect.
57:06
Fucking embarrassing, I've never been able to do.
57:09
But but like, that was the difference between the guy who's
57:14
pushing around a long board and the guy tray flipping.
57:18
I was a long. Border.
57:19
And so, like, I think being a drifter kind of made you feel
57:23
like a badass, you know, Especially when you'd go to
57:25
autocross and get kicked out because you're drifter.
57:27
Because you're drifter, whether you were knocking over cones or
57:29
not, Yeah. Yeah.
57:30
So I think it made you definitely feel, you know, even
57:34
though nobody even knew what it was.
57:36
You personally were like, yeah, I got this.
57:39
Yeah, OK. I feel the same way.
57:42
Even when I started drifting, I feel like that was the same
57:44
thing. And like on a big scale, you
57:47
know, you can walk into a parts store and you're seeing drifting
57:50
or Yeah, or I mean it's on every commercial now.
57:54
Now everybody knows it's still very mainstream or it has become
57:58
mainstream. But like, on the scale of
58:01
things, it's not like we know every guy drifting in Fort
58:04
Wayne, probably. Ohh yeah I think.
58:06
So, so and for the most part there's probably I would say in
58:10
Fort Wayne 30 people doing it now.
58:12
Yeah, that. Are consistently going, maybe
58:14
even more, actually. And like, it's when I started
58:18
there was just me for probably 2 at least two years.
58:22
I was the only one in town going drifting.
58:25
Yeah, yeah. And then I'd say you Yeah, you
58:28
were next. Probably.
58:29
Yeah, yeah, like me and Caleb pretty much.
58:31
Yeah, yeah. What annoys me that I noticed is
58:33
that I feel like a lot of people are just doing this shit for the
58:36
clip. Doing it for the video, Yeah.
58:38
But they come and go, Yeah, I mean that that happens.
58:41
I mean, hell, I mean, I remember even seeing guys that like, did
58:45
it, you know, I guess when Instagram was like kind of
58:47
blowing up, like there would be dudes, you know, with all of a
58:51
sudden like a bajillion followers that are really doing
58:54
it and having a really cool car all of a sudden, really quick
58:57
and like doing well. And then next thing you know,
58:58
they're just gone. Yeah, they're just out.
59:00
It was, it was like a it was legit a phase, you know?
59:03
Yeah. The wild thing is, is like.
59:06
I'll see somebody do some Welch and I sent Frankie a video.
59:08
It's a very it's a spot that I knew of.
59:11
It was by my old parents house. I think I sent it to you and
59:14
like it. It may be somebody drifting for
59:18
the clip, but I watched the driving and I'm like, damn, he's
59:21
like pretty kind of a good driver.
59:22
The guy you're talking about is literally the type of person
59:26
that would do that for a clip, but he actually shreds, so it's
59:28
annoying. Yeah, so it's annoying.
59:30
It's not annoying because you're like, no, I mean, I guess it.
59:32
Is, but it's kind of annoying because it's like we don't.
59:37
I can't even say that I'll be a hypocrite.
59:39
I was going to say, like, we don't want to put our spot on
59:41
blast, but The thing is, like, that was midday.
59:44
Yeah, there's traffic, everything.
59:45
There's traffic coming the opposite direction.
59:48
Yeah, like no spotters, no nothing.
59:50
Yeah, like we have like me, Josh from Front St.
59:54
Like we have put clips up before of us hitting a spot, but like
59:58
unless you are really from the area, you're not going to
1:00:00
fucking know where it is in. The middle of the night, it's
1:00:02
there's an etiquette, you know what I mean.
1:00:03
And like even with like, I guess the question that you asked
1:00:06
before with like Derek, like how it makes you feel like when you
1:00:09
first started and what's different?
1:00:10
Honestly, for me it doesn't feel that different because.
1:00:14
That's a lot I'm getting from you guys.
1:00:15
Yeah. Well, I mean, honestly, we're
1:00:18
still doing the same things that we did 10 years ago.
1:00:20
We're working in the garage. We're driving to the events,
1:00:23
we're meeting new homies. We're having a good time either
1:00:28
competing or not competing, no matter what kind of at the end
1:00:31
of the day, we're just enjoying this thing that we enjoy a lot.
1:00:34
Hell yeah. If more people are into it,
1:00:36
that's cool. But also, if not, that's also
1:00:41
cool because we like it a lot because we like it.
1:00:45
Yeah, dude, I was getting that vibe from you guys the whole
1:00:48
night and I knew that question was gonna come up.
1:00:51
And I was like, really interested like how are they
1:00:53
going to view drifting nowadays compared to old?
1:00:55
And I was like, I bet they're going to say.
1:00:56
I feel like it doesn't matter the same to you guys because
1:00:59
you're just like I've we're already doing it.
1:01:00
I mean it's it's definitely like more accessible and there's a
1:01:03
lot more people there, which is good and bad.
1:01:04
Yeah. Because you're going to see the
1:01:05
people that you know. Like you can sometimes you see
1:01:08
people and you're like, all right, I know you're going to be
1:01:10
around for the next 10 years or you can see somebody that's like
1:01:13
like you were talking about earlier like like very good or
1:01:17
like you know, talented and like can really wheel and like it's
1:01:21
kind of a fly by night kind of thing.
1:01:22
It's like, all right. Not doing it for the same
1:01:25
reasons, yeah. And I mean that's fine.
1:01:27
Like if that's what you want to do, like that's on you, but
1:01:29
like. It's like try, you know?
1:01:30
It's like people want to try something new and something
1:01:33
might happen to be really good. And it's like, oh, even though
1:01:35
I'm really killing this, it's still maybe not for me.
1:01:38
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. The end of the day, and
1:01:39
different things in life happen too, like you know you lost your
1:01:43
teammate and like. Yeah, maybe that time, maybe
1:01:47
that was the right move for him mentally or what have you.
1:01:51
But like, yeah, I I I do understand that it sometimes
1:01:55
doesn't. You don't see it till the end.
1:01:56
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, there's a million things
1:01:59
like family things, work, things like there's so many other
1:02:02
things like outside of this, yeah, are huge factors because
1:02:04
it's not a cheap, like hobby, you know?
1:02:07
So like. Yeah.
1:02:09
So like the amount of, like, you know, sacrifice that you put
1:02:13
into it, like not everyone makes it through that.
1:02:16
And like, sometimes that's good because, like, it can cause,
1:02:19
like mental health issues or like different things.
1:02:21
Or it can help. Or it could help mental health.
1:02:23
Yeah, exactly, exactly. It's it's like there's a duality
1:02:26
to it. For sure.
1:02:26
Like, it's one of those things where like sometimes, like after
1:02:29
I haven't driven a while, I'm just like, ah, whatever.
1:02:31
And then I'll go drive and I'm like, Oh my gosh, now I remember
1:02:34
how much I enjoyed. It's like I'm driving home on
1:02:38
the street enjoying my car, like the car's driving fine and made
1:02:42
it through the whole weekend. Like I had some like good
1:02:44
tandems with the homies like or whatever it was and like that
1:02:49
five or eight or two, whatever. Our drive is just like.
1:02:53
Very bliss. It's like a yeah, it's like this
1:02:56
is a successful drive home and I'm like, all right, I'm going
1:02:59
to work tomorrow on Monday and like, I'm chilling like this is
1:03:02
good. Yeah, that.
1:03:03
That's so. Damn bro, it's very refreshing
1:03:07
to. Hear you're hitting, like all
1:03:08
the points, just cuz yeah, for some reason.
1:03:11
For some reason I feel like by us.
1:03:13
We have this other feeling where we're like we're we're not
1:03:16
enjoying the new age Drifters and stuff.
1:03:18
I think it's just cuz it's a lot more saturated by us and then
1:03:21
we're exposed to the things that aren't good but.
1:03:24
I also talking to them. I also realize it has a lot to
1:03:27
do with yourself. You know what I mean?
1:03:30
Like how you view it. And if we're doing it like that,
1:03:33
then that's on us. Yeah, well, like, I mean, for
1:03:36
example, like let's say, you know, we all are into having
1:03:39
enjoyable looking cars, yeah. Obviously that's always
1:03:43
debatable on who you are and what you think looks cool, but
1:03:45
we obviously have a general idea of what we like to be around and
1:03:50
what we like to see on track. You know, race cars look cool
1:03:53
because they get raced. Yeah, you know.
1:03:55
And so our idea drift cars is, you know, shares the same idea
1:04:01
as I think guys in our generation that learned about
1:04:06
drifting when that's what the cars look like.
1:04:07
Exactly, Yeah. Yeah.
1:04:08
And so. There's always going to be the
1:04:12
new age guys that have the bash bar cars, yeah, or whatnot.
1:04:15
The. Football helmet.
1:04:17
Yeah, yeah. That's a really good name for.
1:04:19
That I didn't do that. Somebody made a meme and said
1:04:22
when the football helmet 350Z wants the.
1:04:25
Tandem with you? Yeah, I saw.
1:04:27
That and I'm like it. Took me a second to get that
1:04:28
because I didn't get it. I thought it meant like
1:04:31
something else about like the guy wearing a football helmet
1:04:35
and then like finally like clicked and I'm like, ah, the
1:04:38
car looks like. Yeah, yeah.
1:04:40
Look who's. See it now?
1:04:41
Yeah, I mean we, I would like to talk about that that.
1:04:45
I mean, I feel like we're leading into another realm of
1:04:47
the conversation where, like some people are changing styles.
1:04:52
Yeah, I had this conversation recently, just cuz.
1:04:54
The cars are getting taller. Cars are getting taller, people
1:04:57
are running different setups. Yeah, I think so.
1:05:00
I met somebody who's. I met a few people who follow
1:05:03
the podcasts. Or from your smooth brain they
1:05:06
have red cars and they're into that close driving which.
1:05:11
It's kind of crazy to me and I've I've been like, dude, you
1:05:13
guys are crazy, but what? And their cars are beat up.
1:05:16
What do you mean close to? You mean just like aggressive
1:05:18
tandem? A very aggressive tandem.
1:05:20
That's their goal is to get close OK and like, it doesn't
1:05:24
really like. It's a completely different
1:05:26
thought process to me because my goal is I'm going to go out
1:05:29
there and drive my absolute best.
1:05:32
So I want my front grip. I want my rear grip.
1:05:35
I'm, I have it set up this way, this way, this way.
1:05:37
And then you talk to them. And then?
1:05:40
Fix you know we're exchanging like information on like what
1:05:43
you're running and like they're young like young.
1:05:46
And I'm like how are they figuring this out?
1:05:49
It's. Probably, we were telling.
1:05:50
Trial and error, crazy like high psi in the front so that
1:05:53
everybody can scrub the same like and it's just like shit
1:05:56
that I would have never thought. Yeah, same.
1:05:58
Like that new age is weird just because drifting doesn't really
1:06:03
have It's subjective, you know? There's no right, There's no
1:06:07
wrong. But yet it still continues to
1:06:09
progress. Do they drive cars like the
1:06:11
Front Street cars are now like that high?
1:06:13
High. No, I mean, are they high?
1:06:17
They're not. Really.
1:06:17
They're local here? Yeah.
1:06:18
Their cars have gradually gotten.
1:06:20
Higher and higher and higher, probably with the with the goal
1:06:23
in mind. Yeah.
1:06:24
All cool dudes, very young. They're going to be on the
1:06:27
podcast in BMI in September or in October.
1:06:29
In September. Nice now, Yeah.
1:06:31
So yeah, yeah. Like how do you I mean?
1:06:35
I know how you guys feel about it, but let's go through it.
1:06:39
Like, how do you guys feel about that whole driving style, like
1:06:41
high cars? I think it's like.
1:06:43
On shit. So it's the same thing we've
1:06:46
seen with prodrifting. OK.
1:06:50
The, I guess you could call it progression or I don't really
1:06:53
know what it is, but you know the pro cars gradually got
1:06:57
higher. Yeah, more powerful.
1:06:59
Softer, more powerful, and. To a point it was good.
1:07:05
And then to a point it exceeded what was good.
1:07:09
And I'm not just saying aesthetically, but overall like
1:07:13
you're now finally seeing drivers speak up about it's too
1:07:16
much. Yeah, and the cars are overly
1:07:19
gripped up. That's the battle now I think
1:07:21
that we're seeing with the the guys, the style guys
1:07:25
transitioning into the more performance side of things and.
1:07:33
I think it'll start to come back eventually because.
1:07:35
I think so too. It's like, I mean, you know,
1:07:37
they're yeah, and they're excited that they're getting
1:07:39
more performance out of their cars, which racing cars is fun.
1:07:42
That's what you do with a real race car, how to get the most
1:07:44
you can out of it. So that's just what's happening
1:07:47
with drift cars now. But I think there's a point
1:07:51
where it exceeds too much and the pros are even seeing it.
1:07:55
And so eventually, with the style of cars that people are
1:07:59
now. Jacking up the fronts and
1:08:01
whatnot, there is eventually gonna be a point that they go
1:08:04
too far. Yeah.
1:08:05
Like, for example, like you have like like Forsberg, like
1:08:08
speaking out. Like not speaking out.
1:08:10
But like bringing up the topic and being like, you know, these
1:08:12
cards are so wound up that like, we could even put on like a
1:08:16
better show if they weren't at that point.
1:08:18
Yeah, and like seeing someone that's a season to him that's
1:08:21
been in like, drifting since really like.
1:08:24
Very beginning. And started from something we
1:08:27
can relate to. Yeah, exactly.
1:08:29
Because probably a Ka car, right?
1:08:30
Yeah, exactly. So to have someone with that
1:08:32
much experience being like, hey, this would actually be better
1:08:35
like, I feel like sometimes for Derek and I like it kind of like
1:08:41
kind of not solidifies. But like gives us like an idea
1:08:44
of like, okay, like we're not just holding on to this thing
1:08:48
because like, it's only style. It's only this, it's only that.
1:08:51
It's not just a preference thing.
1:08:52
It's like a lot of that driving most of the time, in my opinion,
1:08:56
can be done with cars that are on the lower side.
1:09:01
I've seen old clips of Naoki and Mihan and he's shredding, maybe.
1:09:08
When the car was low and looked so sick, maybe it was like 10
1:09:12
mile an hour slower. Yeah, for me, maybe you know
1:09:16
that. Maybe that's just my preference,
1:09:17
but like I prefer that. I like the.
1:09:19
Videos. Yeah, those are the videos I go
1:09:21
to if someone talks about that show or like the like, the cars
1:09:24
like that were low, like at Osaka Docks or just like just
1:09:27
kind of like all of that era. And obviously it's an opinion
1:09:30
thing, but yeah, 100%. I think it's, I think it's like
1:09:33
literally textbook evolution, right?
1:09:35
Like FD, Yeah, right. I was watching one of the early
1:09:40
Fd's where I think Ken Gucci still had the Mustang.
1:09:43
It was like, oh. I don't know.
1:09:46
It was a G4TV. Yeah, episode.
1:09:48
Like a 405, the cars ranged from like an S2000.
1:09:54
Yeah. Yeah, 4A GE like Corolla AKAT.
1:09:59
And then a Viper, yeah, Viper. And and I think that was the
1:10:03
Viper was Sam Hubernet, Yeah. So I feel like that Viper was a
1:10:09
equivocal part of drifting evolution because it was the
1:10:13
fastest car there. Aside from that, Reese Mill and
1:10:16
GTO and don't think I know a lot about the history.
1:10:20
I just know this. One I was in here like, damn,
1:10:21
Carl. I just know this one episode,
1:10:24
but go on. But those cars were so
1:10:27
high-powered, right? And they performed.
1:10:29
So what is what are what are the competitors gonna do?
1:10:32
Right. They're gonna be like, ohh, OK,
1:10:33
well yeah, that performs. So let me up my shit.
1:10:36
It's obvious. And then it just went up and up.
1:10:37
Yeah. And.
1:10:38
Up and, I mean, we ran into this issue even in our Street League
1:10:41
series, OK, just recently we had.
1:10:45
Well, we have payouts, which I don't even pay attention to
1:10:48
that. I wasn't even really aware.
1:10:51
I just kind of cancelled it out of my head.
1:10:53
But like we two events ago wasn't so prominent at the last
1:10:58
event because we kind of tried to crack down on it and
1:11:00
straighten the guys out. But two St. leagues ago we had
1:11:07
the Nova clinic day before. And of course, he's talking
1:11:11
about how to Wick these cars up and grip them up a bunch.
1:11:14
So then go figure. The next day at Street League,
1:11:16
all these cars are just gripped up.
1:11:19
And it's evident because they're having problems turning their
1:11:22
tires over because, you know, they're typically 400 horsepower
1:11:25
is cars, 300, maybe 200 and mianas.
1:11:28
That's nice. That's nice.
1:11:30
We're seeing guys. We have tire rules, so like the
1:11:32
cars aren't that gripped up, but like.
1:11:35
After his clinic, all these guys go start turning, turning knobs
1:11:39
and stuff, and then they're having problems tandeming
1:11:43
because they're cars are too gripped up.
1:11:45
Their cars are too gripped up to chase and make the corrections
1:11:48
you need to win in chase. And the competition kind of
1:11:53
sucked, like the driving just wasn't there like normal.
1:11:56
And it was, it was like, kind of sickening to me because, like.
1:12:01
I want to see everyone shred. You know, it's it's more of an
1:12:04
exhibition comp than a real comp.
1:12:06
So like seeing that kind of transform was very irritating.
1:12:12
Yeah. And.
1:12:12
Right in front of you. Yeah.
1:12:13
So we. Kind of.
1:12:14
We had to have like essentially a meeting with our drivers and
1:12:17
like not that day, but we had like a pep talk.
1:12:20
What do you, what do you say in that situation?
1:12:22
I think it's like a thing. Like, well, I yell at them and
1:12:26
and tell them that they didn't look very good.
1:12:28
Yeah, you know, and they know. You know you can't.
1:12:30
You know. And then?
1:12:31
I mean, they're like they're, you know, they all want to do
1:12:34
well. So like they see their media and
1:12:36
they're like, man, that doesn't look that good because I'm like
1:12:38
way shallow there and I shouldn't be.
1:12:40
Yeah, and then? So you just come and you're
1:12:42
like, alright guys, you all fucked up.
1:12:45
That's literally pretty much, yeah, that's literally you.
1:12:48
If you ran a drift event or or or a series.
1:12:51
Yeah, guys. You guys all fucking sucked.
1:12:54
Last round. Yeah, like that.
1:12:55
Shrunk. Sounded sick.
1:12:57
That's why you see all the like Still Going semi videos.
1:13:01
Yeah. So the garage is right, right
1:13:04
behind a highway. So that's why I occasionally.
1:13:05
I fucking love it, dude. Yeah, I would probably be
1:13:07
sitting here like that was. That was a fucking Peterbilt.
1:13:10
Yeah. One of the best parts about
1:13:12
driving out here is the trucks. Dude, there were a shit load of
1:13:15
trucks, but not not to veer away from the topic.
1:13:17
It's another thing that I've not to make this podcast the car
1:13:22
show, but literally like I've been having a problem because
1:13:25
everybody now with. Getting exposure from the
1:13:28
podcast has an opinion that they want to give me.
1:13:31
Oh yeah, that's right. And so me being me, I like to
1:13:34
always make sure I'm listening. You never know what somebody
1:13:36
can, what piece of information somebody could give you.
1:13:39
But at the same time, if you get so many fucking opinions and you
1:13:44
try every single fucking one, you're never going to just do
1:13:47
what you want to do and what works for you.
1:13:50
Which I think is important. Yeah, you'll get a lot of
1:13:54
opinions from like false experience.
1:13:56
Yes. And like, you never know, people
1:13:58
like to like, I mean it happened in the forum days, like, yeah,
1:14:01
everyone that's read every forum post now is like the like lead
1:14:06
mechanic on that car that's ever existed outside of like the OEM.
1:14:11
So yeah, that exists within everything.
1:14:14
So like, there's that person that it feels like they need to
1:14:17
speak up and tell you what to do.
1:14:18
Like there's no replacement for. How often you guys go for like
1:14:21
actual football, actual experience, experience.
1:14:24
Yeah, yeah, the football, yeah, Like seat time is will always
1:14:30
like reign supreme or like even SIM time, like that's.
1:14:33
Are you guys a SIM type of? I was doing some eye racing but
1:14:37
not drifting stuff I was doing. Yeah, I just some a set of stuff
1:14:42
I should honestly like. I like playing, but just like
1:14:45
honestly, I like skating more. So with my free time, I'm like I
1:14:50
could be out in the garage or I could be skating.
1:14:52
I play probably more in the winter.
1:14:54
I enjoy it and I definitely felt like it's helped with some bad
1:14:58
habits that I've had. I can definitely tell with even
1:15:02
with like tandem stuff like, I definitely feel more comfortable
1:15:04
in tandem through that as far as like pushing up on people and
1:15:07
things like, I feel like it's definitely a very useful tool,
1:15:10
but it is definitely like still a little detached from.
1:15:14
It's actually driving. Yeah, it's.
1:15:16
It's. A tool for sure.
1:15:16
For sure. Feel like a lot of hand eye
1:15:18
stuff. Yeah, yeah.
1:15:19
It all helps. I feel like what a lot of people
1:15:22
the problem is, and I have. I was telling you about this.
1:15:25
I have a friend of mine. His name's Ethan.
1:15:27
Damn, I'm. Just getting fucking shit on him
1:15:30
real quick. Sorry buddy.
1:15:32
But he has a sick S13. It's built really great.
1:15:36
The Hayes guys built it. It's a really fucking sweet car.
1:15:40
They did a dope job on it, 400 horsepower, like everybody's.
1:15:44
Not everybody. But I feel like a lot of people
1:15:46
could just get in that car and go.
1:15:47
But he's never really drifted before and I feel like since
1:15:50
it's so souped up, you don't really know what to do about it.
1:15:54
And in a Seto, you know you're you're.
1:15:57
Jiggling the pedal like this a bunch of times.
1:15:59
And like in the car, I know he's doing it.
1:16:01
I'm literally telling him to stop letting off because he's
1:16:05
doing this. And the game, as much as it's a
1:16:08
good thing, could be a bad thing because it develops the bad
1:16:10
habits where like you think the car is just gonna automatically.
1:16:15
Spool up like it doesn't take into that real.
1:16:18
I feel like that though is easier to correct than just
1:16:20
trying to teach someone how to do it.
1:16:21
Period. Yeah, with no SIM.
1:16:23
Yeah, I mean, regardless. He was drifting.
1:16:25
Yeah. So I feel like it's easier to
1:16:27
dial back those bad habits than it is to be like, hey, here is
1:16:30
how you actually linked. Oh yeah dude.
1:16:32
Yeah, yeah. So yeah, I feel like that, Yeah.
1:16:35
Yeah, there's bad habits that can be picked up from the SIM,
1:16:37
but at the same time, it's like it's better to like.
1:16:41
Back those down. Yeah, like this is an instance
1:16:43
where it's OK to overdo it. Yeah, and bring it back instead
1:16:46
of, like false confidence. Go out the first time in your
1:16:49
car and put it in the wall and you're like, well no dialing it
1:16:52
back from that cuz it's. Yeah, that that is true.
1:16:57
That is, yeah. That's that's very, very, very
1:16:59
cuz yeah, now that I think about it, I mean something that I
1:17:02
don't really give him credit for is that his progression was so
1:17:04
fast. Yeah, they do that.
1:17:06
I mean like that's something I've.
1:17:07
Like, yeah. Like, yeah, we have another
1:17:08
close friend of ours, yeah. Have you seen it too?
1:17:10
Yeah, it's. Crazy.
1:17:11
It's like the progression is just remember we had, we had him
1:17:14
on the podcast and we're talking about how long he's been
1:17:16
drifting and he's like, yeah, I got the car in November and I'm
1:17:19
thinking like we're talking about years ago, literally
1:17:21
fucking this past November. Yeah, and he's out there doing
1:17:24
front course tree turn like. I love seeing like kids get it
1:17:29
like that early because like they didn't have the years of
1:17:32
like having one drift event every two or three months.
1:17:35
Yeah, like not having that opportunity.
1:17:37
So like, I loved like seeing that because like, there's that
1:17:41
like kind of like, I don't know. For me it's like a fire and like
1:17:43
a next generation and that they're really excited about it.
1:17:46
So it's like really cool. But then I think kind of like
1:17:49
the like opposite end of that where like they end up like
1:17:53
buying old drift cars that are like really hooked up.
1:17:59
Ohh yeah. Yeah, it's.
1:18:00
Yeah, we have a ton of that too. Like when like when we were like
1:18:03
Derek and I were you know, first starting like we were, you had
1:18:07
to build your car because like drift cars like just didn't
1:18:09
exist out there. Like you could find some on the
1:18:11
forums and stuff, but like, it wasn't just something that you
1:18:14
could like. Ohh, like I know three people
1:18:16
right now that all have like cars that are for sale that like
1:18:19
you could go rip. Yeah.
1:18:21
But so like, I guess there's just like that natural
1:18:23
progression that exists. I'll take their names down
1:18:26
please. I'm still like living in the
1:18:28
past too with that cuz people will ask me like, yeah, so I got
1:18:31
this card, it's a ZI got the full GK tech angle kit.
1:18:35
I was like, did you put it on yet?
1:18:38
He's like, no, I'm like how about you just don't do that for
1:18:40
a while. Yeah, just learn how to drive it
1:18:43
like that and some people will listen.
1:18:45
But then other people will just throw it all on and.
1:18:48
Well, some people just have different.
1:18:49
And I'm thinking, you know what? It this is what I meant by like
1:18:51
living in the past. Like, I'll tell them they'll be
1:18:53
like, Oh yeah, just do just like get a 240 and do this.
1:18:56
And it's like well. You can't really.
1:18:57
Buy A2. 40 You can't do that anymore, brother.
1:19:00
Yeah, that's a different time period that doesn't exist
1:19:02
anymore. You are been gone dude.
1:19:04
Oh, I haven't had to buy a car in a while, you know, I mean,
1:19:07
like, so that's where, like, I'm buying like, like used parts for
1:19:11
my car nowadays. Bro, I'm like.
1:19:14
Good. I'm just like, wow, they're that
1:19:16
much now. Yeah.
1:19:17
That's I was like, I really wish I would have, like, kept some of
1:19:19
that stuff. I kind of like just discarded.
1:19:22
We're we're starting to hoard Nissan parts because Nissan
1:19:25
finally just realized that they could like, quadruple the price
1:19:28
of things and get away with it. So now we're like, I'm not going
1:19:31
to say the part on here, but we're just like grabbing like,
1:19:33
I'm like, oh, that price hasn't changed yet.
1:19:35
Order fucking five of them and just keep them here.
1:19:37
Yeah, yeah, because it's it. They're going to skyrocket soon,
1:19:39
like. That.
1:19:41
You know, yeah, I mean. You're a little stash there,
1:19:44
Yeah. I mean, that's always gonna
1:19:45
exist with like the popularity of it, like, you know, rising as
1:19:48
fast as it has. Like there's more people, so
1:19:50
there's less parts, there's less cars, plus they're aging out,
1:19:53
like. So there's a lot of those
1:19:54
things. So I'm almost happy people are.
1:19:56
They feel like two 40s are too much money and good.
1:19:58
Stop buying. But there's now.
1:20:00
Now what I like to well, I what I like to see now too is like,
1:20:04
oh OK, the trunk on an S13, the Hatch, the privacy cover has a
1:20:08
little dowel piece. That goes in there.
1:20:11
Oh, I know you're talking, right.
1:20:12
So that became a little hard to access, right?
1:20:15
Now what? You're gonna say?
1:20:15
Yeah. So now what was the solution?
1:20:17
Three print. Let me fucking 3D print that.
1:20:19
Yeah, that is cool. Yeah, I mean, there like people
1:20:21
are coming up with new solutions, Huns, to keep it
1:20:24
going. And I think that that's an
1:20:25
important part. I mean, even though you're even,
1:20:27
we're making like weird little things where we're like throttle
1:20:30
cable bracket that no one ever made.
1:20:31
Make it. That thing is sweet.
1:20:32
Don't let him know that's you. You're doing cool shit.
1:20:35
You guys have a turbo line kit, like a power steering kit?
1:20:38
Yeah, like we were tired all the like.
1:20:40
You know, fucking speed shop looking turbo line kits, right?
1:20:44
So we're like, what? Can we just make these black?
1:20:46
Like, is it that hard? Yeah, it doesn't need to be like
1:20:48
a brush finish with like dimple dye like, yeah, you're.
1:20:51
Doing fucking too much. Yeah, and like fucking red and
1:20:54
blue and fittings. Like, no one wants that shit.
1:20:56
Yeah, and I. Like, keep it chill.
1:20:57
I'm still I'm. I'm also still kind of, like,
1:21:00
shocked that this makes not as much as I thought it did because
1:21:05
I was like, yeah, it probably makes like 400 or something like
1:21:08
that, like a normal number to everyone nowadays, because a
1:21:10
fucking Kia SUV has 400. Yeah, but like, that's dude.
1:21:14
That's the perfect #3. I know.
1:21:16
And like, that's crazy to me because you go watch videos of
1:21:19
Derek driving and you're like. Yeah, yeah, but that's.
1:21:22
I mean, it's definitely a foot down car, yeah.
1:21:25
And like, I mean, I learned a lot of that from DK.
1:21:27
Like it was one of those things where he was driving arc sevens
1:21:29
and that sort of thing. So I was like, that's who I was
1:21:31
following like. All right, I need to go this
1:21:34
fast into this corner, like that sort of thing.
1:21:36
So like that helped me significantly.
1:21:38
And then it being like a little bit lower powered, like, I don't
1:21:40
know, like I'm not breaking axles or drive train stuff,
1:21:43
that's what I'm. Thinking of.
1:21:44
So, like, I mean, it happens. Like, I mean, I messed up a
1:21:48
trans last weekend, but that right, We're but.
1:21:51
Like it's it's one of those things, like, I mean I had that
1:21:53
transmission in there for three seasons.
1:21:55
Yeah, that's the one that's, it's lasted the longest since
1:21:57
I've owned the car. Yeah.
1:21:58
So like. That's always going to happen.
1:22:00
So like I and I still don't feel like I'm driving that car at the
1:22:04
potential it could be driven at at that horsepower even.
1:22:07
So I'm like I could raise the horsepower, but like.
1:22:10
You'd rather raise the skill level I can match?
1:22:12
Absolutely, yeah. Yeah, 100.
1:22:13
Percent like, I definitely feel like there's still like, things
1:22:17
that I need to learn in that car.
1:22:18
For sure that's like a perfect quote for what I wish the newer
1:22:22
drivers would understand. I know you wish they did it too,
1:22:25
but. Because, like, don't show up at
1:22:26
the shop with like a full GK tech.
1:22:28
Installed wrong and I'm like, all right, well here's we got to
1:22:32
charge you this much cuz we got to take everything out,
1:22:34
reinstall it all, put it back on.
1:22:35
But can you blame them? That's like the effort that they
1:22:37
got, the spirit, kind of they're on the right.
1:22:39
I mean, like, I don't. They're doing their own blame.
1:22:42
Them because they're going on YouTube and they're just seeing
1:22:44
Adam, LZ put all this shit on his car and then they're like,
1:22:46
oh, I need to get all that. But it's like, you don't need to
1:22:48
get any of it, honestly. So yeah.
1:22:51
Well, it's a different exposure, you know.
1:22:52
Yeah, that's what I was about to say.
1:22:53
Like we were talking about. They don't know.
1:22:55
You don't need that. Yeah.
1:22:56
Yeah, yeah, They don't know any. Better nowadays you they, you
1:22:59
know, everyone, it's all out there.
1:23:01
So they're like, oh, if it's there, that means I probably
1:23:03
have to have it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:23:05
And that consumerism like mentality where they're just
1:23:09
like, I just need to get all this stuff.
1:23:10
Yeah, this is for my car and you have a whole catalog.
1:23:13
Like I need everything on the catalog.
1:23:14
Which is like. You know, the businessman of me
1:23:17
is like, well that sounds good, but then like the drifter of me
1:23:19
is like, fuck all that. Like just use the stock knuckles
1:23:23
and see how much you suck 1st and then like go from there.
1:23:25
Like eventually, obviously you're going to end up getting
1:23:27
knuckles, you're going to do something.
1:23:29
But like, it took me years. Exactly.
1:23:31
To try. I had stock angle on all my cars
1:23:35
at two 40s. First, yeah, stock angle,
1:23:37
everything. But I had an Sr. yeah, so I
1:23:39
thought that that was cool. Same.
1:23:41
And then it is. And then like it is, dude.
1:23:44
Little did I know that that $2000 motor.
1:23:47
That came with a. Bunch of shit was going to be
1:23:51
like, I'm never going to have an Sr. again.
1:23:53
Dude, someone came in the other day.
1:23:54
They were, it was like, it was like some kids, parents, right?
1:23:58
And they're like, yeah, we bought him an S13 convertible.
1:24:00
This like we got him an Sr. They bought.
1:24:02
Wait, they bought him did. Yeah, it's like his first car I
1:24:04
bought them. It could be a girl and.
1:24:06
They're like and they're like, yeah, we got him an SR20.
1:24:08
I was like. And everyone in the shop, we all
1:24:10
look at each other. We're like, where'd you get it
1:24:12
from? And they're like one of the
1:24:13
depots. I was like, we're all like, what
1:24:14
did you pay? Because we just.
1:24:16
I wanted to know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, We have the
1:24:18
paperwork right here. I was like, yeah, I want to see
1:24:19
that this shit was $7000, no 6 to $7000.
1:24:25
Is that what it is? Out.
1:24:26
Nope. It was like an like a no.
1:24:28
It was an S13 dude. It was S13 dude, red top for
1:24:31
seven. I swear to God it was sick.
1:24:33
I think it was. Had a disco potato on it
1:24:35
already? It.
1:24:36
Was hard. To see.
1:24:37
It was probably stock, but. Twin discs.
1:24:40
Yeah, it's never stock. It's always some bullshit on
1:24:42
there. Yeah, definitely.
1:24:43
A Twin Disc $7000. So they're dropping it off in a
1:24:45
couple weeks for us to check it out.
1:24:47
Is it, is it? How is it out here to try to get
1:24:50
stuff like that? Do you guys have to go far like
1:24:52
let's say you needed? Do you guys have depots?
1:24:54
We just do rotaries. There's like 3 cents over.
1:24:57
There, I noticed. Yeah.
1:24:58
I feel like rotaries are almost well.
1:25:00
They're bad. They're gone up too.
1:25:02
Yeah, really. Everything is so like, I just
1:25:04
put a new motor in my car. Like the first motor that I had
1:25:07
in it lasted for 10 years. Ooh, that's sick.
1:25:11
Yeah, that's pretty sick. Hell yeah.
1:25:13
Before I get too excited about it, yeah, OK.
1:25:15
I had to pull it apart a couple times because it got a little
1:25:18
too hot. I got a little greedy on track,
1:25:20
maybe a couple times. I heard that's a Rotary problem.
1:25:22
Yeah, like. Maybe melted coolant seals and
1:25:24
stuff but like it always would go back in and then it just got
1:25:27
to the point where like it needed to be replaced.
1:25:29
So I ended U just getting like a like a new Mazda like.
1:25:35
Engine. Short block, yeah, yeah.
1:25:37
Short block, basically, yeah. Yeah, so like, I just had that
1:25:40
sent over, like they like sent it over or whatever.
1:25:44
And then? In a box like that.
1:25:45
Yeah, yeah, just like. It came in a crate and
1:25:48
legitimately like it like that. That's the kind of box a motor
1:25:51
would show up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:25:53
Yeah. That's the cool part about
1:25:54
Mazda. Yeah, like, yeah, I got it from
1:25:56
Mazda, Japan. They sent it to the US and then
1:25:59
they got sent to my house and I think I paid.
1:26:01
At the time, maybe like $5000, but that was like a brand new.
1:26:06
Brand new motor like it's not something.
1:26:08
That sounds like some shit I would do.
1:26:09
Yeah, that is literally something that you would do.
1:26:11
Yeah, it was either that or like spin around the same amount on a
1:26:14
mystery motor that such and such as Speedshot put together and
1:26:19
they're the best in the Rotary business.
1:26:21
And Okay, like we've all heard those stories a million times
1:26:24
and. You have a million horsepower
1:26:26
drag cars, like, whatever. I mean, that's with everything.
1:26:29
Like, yeah, if it involves building engines, you're kind of
1:26:32
taking a risk, no? Matter what?
1:26:34
Yeah, I mean, I could have picked up a motor, pulled it all
1:26:37
apart and then looked at it and been like, OK, that was actually
1:26:40
decent. Or I've been like, OK, I'm
1:26:41
actually back at square one. Yeah, so I was like that took a
1:26:46
lot of variables out of the situation and.
1:26:47
I was well worth it. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
1:26:49
I do it again. A lot of times that motor's been
1:26:51
great and I feel like you have you're you're beyond that now
1:26:55
like I feel like you you went through some both of you have
1:26:59
gone through some trials and tribulations where you learned
1:27:02
all right I'm just going to have to fucking yeah it's not I mean.
1:27:06
It's like the same thing as when, you know, when you're
1:27:10
earlier days. I was like, you know, we'd be
1:27:12
buying used tires. Yep.
1:27:13
And it's like, don't, don't, don't look at, don't look at me
1:27:17
anymore. Yeah, don't look at me.
1:27:19
So it's like back in the day. That's what I would buy it.
1:27:22
And it's like, oh cool, Oh yeah. And now I'm like, man, what if I
1:27:25
just bought new every time Be better off?
1:27:29
Driving me. Better to change and it would
1:27:30
last longer. Yeah, believe it.
1:27:32
Or just like, But you think you're saving.
1:27:34
Yeah, you know, money. All the time I was telling Carl.
1:27:36
On the car here I was like. Especially when, like back then,
1:27:39
none of your boys or anyone you knew how to tire machine.
1:27:42
So you're getting, you're paying for that on top of your cheap
1:27:44
tire. And then you got to do it twice
1:27:46
as much because they don't last as long.
1:27:49
No. And then you get to the track
1:27:50
and you realize there was a nail in one.
1:27:51
Yeah. And you're like Okay there was
1:27:55
when I met me and Frankie really have only been friends for a few
1:27:58
years now. And like in those few years,
1:28:00
Frankie has been a good and bad influence on me, one of which
1:28:04
was the tire thing, because I would always be like, yeah, I
1:28:06
got a couple. He would bring used tires to the
1:28:08
shop and get around the person you were just, that's me, him.
1:28:11
That's why he was like, shit, yeah, I'm going to have to out
1:28:14
myself now before I get outed by Frankie.
1:28:16
And he would drop the shit off and whatnot, and then me and
1:28:18
Chris would be in the back. And we're like, wait, I took
1:28:21
these off. Are these the good ones or the
1:28:22
bad ones? Dude, that's how it was,
1:28:26
unfortunately. I grabbed his tire and I fucking
1:28:29
throw. I'm like, I'll do these real
1:28:30
quick. I throw it up fucking like.
1:28:32
Tarantulas and shit come out. Well, I don't really.
1:28:35
I'm like bro. Get this garbage out of here.
1:28:38
I'm like talking. I'm like Chris, handle your boy.
1:28:40
You got a. Vacuum your tire machine
1:28:42
afterwards. I love that and we try to keep
1:28:44
the shop clean. Shop is very clean.
1:28:47
And then, like, I get this tire filled with mud and shit.
1:28:49
I'm like, bro, come on, it's always some bullshit.
1:28:53
But if. But you learned eventually,
1:28:54
yeah, because I just The goal is right.
1:28:58
You want to just not be fucking switching tires all the damn
1:29:01
time. Like I want to be on grid as
1:29:03
long as possible or not grid but I want to be on the track as
1:29:06
long as. As much as you don't seem to
1:29:08
take people's advice, you do end up taking it I it takes you old
1:29:12
you this time and time again. Takes you a minute.
1:29:15
I am pretty stubborn because I want to believe that my way will
1:29:19
work for me. Yeah, And then I'll go do it.
1:29:22
And then it's wrong like he'll be, and then I'll go back and
1:29:27
then guess what? I won't tell Frankie that I'm
1:29:30
doing it that way, the right way, that he that, he said.
1:29:33
But I'm going to do it, Chris. Chris told me that you probably
1:29:36
when you were bringing the tires to the shop all muddy.
1:29:38
He's like, don't worry, he'll figure he'll figure it out.
1:29:42
And it's like, yeah, like it was like on the way here with my
1:29:44
truck every time a noise happens.
1:29:46
Yo-yo, what is that? It's the exhaust.
1:29:49
I don't know, man. That didn't sound like the
1:29:51
exhaust. I'm like Carl.
1:29:53
This truck has almost 300,000 miles on it.
1:29:54
I know what it is and like you kept telling me.
1:29:56
Like, I don't know, man. Now when we hit a bomb and it
1:29:58
makes a fucking wild noise, I'm just sitting there and I'm
1:30:00
looking at Frankie like. I'm like bro, I know you think
1:30:05
you know, but you don't. It's that I I know my car meme.
1:30:10
Yeah, it's like buried in the needle.
1:30:12
I know my ride, but like, Speaking of tires, like, I don't
1:30:17
know OK with Frankie, for example, I I had a I have
1:30:20
conversations with Josh about random things.
1:30:23
So Josh deletes Front Street. You guys know him?
1:30:25
He's fucking, yeah. They're the same people.
1:30:27
They're the same person. Well, in some ways.
1:30:29
In some ways, Frankie has hair. Sorry, Josh, No, not with.
1:30:32
Not with car style anymore, but yeah.
1:30:34
But like with just how their attitudes are and he's Frankie's
1:30:39
been gone out of drifting for a few years.
1:30:41
And in those few years like you know people have specific tires
1:30:46
that work better for them, for drifting and like ones last
1:30:49
longer than others. Ones don't delam than others.
1:30:52
And I happen to look at yours, Derek.
1:30:54
And I was like Iron Man's. I heard good things about these.
1:30:57
Like that's that's something that has changed from me using
1:31:02
my used tires. I feel like I notice their
1:31:05
tires. I know the Iron Man's.
1:31:06
Yeah, those are like others tires.
1:31:08
What do you do? What do you do you have?
1:31:10
No any input on that like in terms of tires?
1:31:14
So those are the first times that I've used them.
1:31:15
Uh huh. So are they bad?
1:31:17
Please tell me. No, no, they they've seen the
1:31:21
last like really long, which is cool.
1:31:23
But I hate the tread pattern. That sounds really.
1:31:26
No, no. Like tractor tires.
1:31:28
That's fine. I'm really so wack.
1:31:30
Like so like. They're great, but the way they
1:31:32
look, dude. That ain't it.
1:31:34
But no, no, honestly, like they've been great.
1:31:37
They didn't delam. They held up for a long time.
1:31:40
I mean they lasted most of the weekend in Kentucky.
1:31:44
I drove all the way back on them.
1:31:46
Honestly, I wasn't gonna drive back on them cuz they were so
1:31:49
flat spotted from like long E brake drags.
1:31:52
Kentucky Appalachia. Yeah.
1:31:55
Yeah, yeah. That's a whole another realm we
1:31:56
gotta get into. So yeah, just like there was a
1:31:59
lot of like E brake drags on the downhill.
1:32:01
So like, once you're going like 55 or 60, it feels like you have
1:32:05
a flat spotted, like skateboard wheel and this is like, yeah,
1:32:09
yeah. So, but no, like, I mean, I'm
1:32:12
pretty much down to run. I mean every season, not every
1:32:16
season, but like from years to years it changes.
1:32:18
Like one year it's Velino, one year it's Kendo, one year it's
1:32:22
Falcon. You know, depends.
1:32:23
On what you can get. Really.
1:32:25
Yeah. And then also you know all these
1:32:27
tire companies change their their tires too so.
1:32:31
It's like, oh, this was, you know, like the KR20 was really
1:32:34
good, but now the K KR20A, I don't like it as much, you know,
1:32:39
and. Yeah, they change everything and
1:32:40
then all the brands just renamed themselves.
1:32:42
Because Iron Man just changed. Oh, I don't even.
1:32:44
It's like. What did it?
1:32:46
Yeah, I think it's like it on a Gen. 2 now or something.
1:32:49
I just I I didn't personally see that, but I saw someone make a
1:32:51
post about it like Oh yeah, these as good as the old ones.
1:32:54
Like I used to always use like a zennis for like the front and
1:32:57
like sometime the rear. And then I would go to like
1:33:00
Advans on the fronts. And now, like, I can't get those
1:33:02
in my sizes. So now I'm on some Dick Nova.
1:33:05
Oh and yeah. I like they're super cheap.
1:33:08
They like were great for steer tires like and I care about
1:33:12
this, but they have a cool look. They got.
1:33:16
They got the truck pattern like I noticed.
1:33:18
For me, like that matters. That's mainly a front tire thing
1:33:21
for me, Yeah. Yeah, you.
1:33:23
Can see, but the rear I'm like I feel.
1:33:24
The same, Yeah, yeah, the rear. I don't give a fuck.
1:33:27
You have fucking. Stop, dude.
1:33:29
I'll put the cheapest shit for the longest time.
1:33:32
For me it was just what's the cheapest tire that's not
1:33:34
complete garbage? Absolutely.
1:33:36
Yeah, that was that was pretty much on S drives in the front.
1:33:39
No, no, no, no, Not every of those.
1:33:41
I was on S drives for a while, that's that was.
1:33:44
The last tire I put on before my car broke was Dunlap.
1:33:47
De Reza's Yeah, because everyone was like, oh, these are good.
1:33:49
I was like, with her, I used the money.
1:33:51
I hope they're good. I used to go to the auto cross
1:33:53
pages because they're tire reviews where because they're
1:33:57
always. So my my thing is like, ohh, I
1:34:00
want that initial bite. I want that consistent grip and
1:34:04
like autocross people will literally nerd out.
1:34:08
Yeah about that. Like my roommate is one of them.
1:34:10
He's a autocro. Both of them are.
1:34:12
And they'll get all that information and I will just
1:34:16
politely look over yeah and get that information from them.
1:34:19
That's how I knew the RE 71 is a very, very sticky tire.
1:34:23
Like unbelievably sticky but wears fast.
1:34:25
Yeah, the Falcon was great. Doesn't really wear nearly as
1:34:28
fast. It doesn't DLAM.
1:34:30
But then like, I don't know. As time goes on again, that new
1:34:33
age thought, like I have acceleros on now, which I
1:34:37
thought were gonna be on my rear.
1:34:39
But I like the tread banners. I put them on the front.
1:34:41
I literally can relate to you when you said that.
1:34:43
I hope you didn't feel. Weird when you said that.
1:34:44
Not at all. Because like stand by that it
1:34:46
was. It's in the front now and I'm
1:34:47
like these aren't as sticky as the RA 71, but yet it feels
1:34:50
better to it's. Not as sticky as 71 but it but
1:34:53
it still it feels header to drift.
1:34:55
Are you talking about the R or the Rs?
1:34:58
How long ago the oh, the RE 71. Yeah, it's the RI.
1:35:03
Know what the Rs is? That's shit is.
1:35:05
Those are new. That is crazy sticky.
1:35:08
Yeah my, my, the same roommate I was looking at your 996 just cuz
1:35:11
he has a 996. Doesn't look like that though,
1:35:15
and they're on RE71RS. Oh, wow.
1:35:17
Yeah. That thing is, this is
1:35:18
Bridgestone super sticky tire, Yeah.
1:35:20
I remember I had those on STI that when it was RE.
1:35:23
Re REO 70, something like that, you came on Sdis?
1:35:27
Not that one. It was after that, maybe around
1:35:29
2010 to 2012 era. It was like a newer version bro
1:35:34
that. Shit was crazy.
1:35:36
Yeah, Yeah, it's a, I mean, it's a grip car, but very, very
1:35:39
sticky tire. But they wear fast like that's
1:35:41
just like auto cross people being like.
1:35:44
No, that's a good idea to have a season out of these and then
1:35:47
they take it off the car and it's like, yeah, damn, those are
1:35:49
barely even warm bro. No, I mean, that's a good idea
1:35:51
because I know a lot of times I would look at guys at road race,
1:35:55
like FDS. Yeah.
1:35:56
And I would like, how are they keeping these cars cool?
1:35:58
So like, now I'm like looking at ducting.
1:36:01
I'm looking at like swirl pots for like different things or
1:36:04
even like fuel slosh for the tank.
1:36:06
Like, I'm like, OK, these guys are using these cars very hard.
1:36:09
So like if they're lasting like full like road race days or like
1:36:13
grip days, you know, around a circuit, then like I'm trying to
1:36:16
apply some of those parts to my car so I can stay out there
1:36:19
longer. If they're out there for, you
1:36:20
know, 3045 minute sessions, yeah, or whatever.
1:36:23
Like, I should be able to stay out for, you know, a 1015 minute
1:36:27
or 20 minute like drift session. So like, it's proven already.
1:36:30
Yeah. Like they already tested it for
1:36:32
you like. What is like the cooling issue
1:36:35
with those cars? I mean, it's just Rotary stuff.
1:36:38
They're extremely hot, OK? They're two stroke.
1:36:40
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess that's what it is.
1:36:42
So high, high Revs, Just a lot of heat.
1:36:45
Yeah, like a lot of things get just like.
1:36:47
I've heard people complain like, yeah, I was stuck in traffic and
1:36:49
my shit overheated. I'm like what?
1:36:51
That's like an idiot move then. OK, yeah, thanks.
1:36:54
I was, I was confused. I'm like what?
1:36:56
Like? I mean any proper, I mean my
1:36:59
that race car right there under the cover.
1:37:00
I don't have a fan on it. OK.
1:37:03
Yeah. And it doesn't do that.
1:37:04
Yeah, it probably never. Probably.
1:37:06
Used radiator and it's made to be going, yeah, around a track.
1:37:09
So, like, where it's taking technically necessary, yeah.
1:37:12
Yeah, yeah, I always wondered that shit that the not now we're
1:37:17
gonna. I want to circle back to
1:37:19
Appalachia. I definitely just because that
1:37:20
shit. I don't know if I've seen
1:37:24
anything in the US, something like that, where it's like a
1:37:26
Street Drift event. Yeah, dude, that was.
1:37:29
What was that experience like? And like, how involved were you
1:37:31
guys? Because like we talked about
1:37:34
drift indie, but we didn't really get the full like I know
1:37:36
you didn't found it, but you, I guess you do work for them or
1:37:39
yeah, yeah, OK. So you guys were like kind of
1:37:41
involved with this whole thing that just happened, I guess.
1:37:44
Yeah, that was. So I met a guy from racing and
1:37:48
hill climbs down that way. OK I.
1:37:51
Feel like that was like auto had an investment.
1:37:53
Connection with that. Yeah, yeah.
1:37:55
Yeah, and then? He wanted to essentially bring
1:38:00
drifting down there in that area, yeah.
1:38:03
And then we moved forward with it.
1:38:05
And then and it looked like it. Worked.
1:38:07
I got Edgar from Drift Indy, you know, involved.
1:38:10
And then that's pretty much what got all the.
1:38:13
Was Reese Marin involved in this at all?
1:38:15
Because. He no, no, no.
1:38:16
He just came along. OK, yeah, he was hanging out for
1:38:18
the. Weekend, OK?
1:38:19
Because I feel like he fucking talked to me about this shit
1:38:22
like two years ago and I kind of was just like.
1:38:25
You know in your in one ear, out the other.
1:38:27
But I was like it sounds cool, like it sounded like he had
1:38:29
someone with similar thing. Like there was a guy with an
1:38:32
area and some of it was like a road that they wanted to do,
1:38:37
drive like I guess racing on or something and then like.
1:38:40
I guess it never came to fruition, but then we saw that
1:38:42
could pop up and we're like, oh OK, maybe this has something.
1:38:45
To do that probably explains why he was like, I gotta go to this.
1:38:47
Yeah, Yeah. So maybe he was like he was
1:38:50
amped. Yeah.
1:38:51
So amped that that again everybody was yet another good
1:38:55
it could never happen in the tri-state area.
1:38:57
Yeah, moment. But how did how did it run for
1:38:59
you guys? How was it?
1:39:00
I mean, that was our first time ever doing that.
1:39:02
So like, I'd say about as good as it could go.
1:39:06
I mean everyone. Came out alive, so that's good,
1:39:09
good dude. Yeah, See the videos and shit.
1:39:12
I would shit up. I would simply shit myself.
1:39:15
The videos are sick, but like, it really was pretty scary fast.
1:39:20
Yeah. So it was absolutely yeah
1:39:22
fucking yeah. I mean, I was watching the
1:39:24
videos, like I only knew some people that were there.
1:39:28
Barely anyone from that I saw, but I recognized your car.
1:39:31
Yeah, I'm like, I hope these guys know how to drive because
1:39:33
if you're like, if they're just used to track shit and then
1:39:36
they're getting put on this, like, yeah.
1:39:38
They're handpicked. Yeah, OK.
1:39:40
That's our Street League guys, most of our Street League guys,
1:39:43
and they're all like all of our Street League guys, are like
1:39:47
vetted drivers, OK? They're like it's a close knit
1:39:50
like family in a way so. They kind, they're just good
1:39:55
dudes like all around like they we've been kind of like they get
1:39:58
it mentoring and vetting them for now for this is the third
1:40:02
year street league and you know we didn't allow every driver to
1:40:07
come. We kind of picked a smaller
1:40:09
group yeah but mostly the more advanced guys makes sense.
1:40:14
So we had the best group possible, you know.
1:40:16
We didn't have any random, you know.
1:40:21
Wild cards that we're not familiar with driving the the
1:40:23
mountains so like we have guys that we can trust are the not
1:40:26
to. Yeah, like the ones where you
1:40:28
don't have to fucking watch them.
1:40:30
Yeah, you know, like we had our drivers meeting and told them
1:40:33
that, you know, how, you know, the seriousness of, you know,
1:40:36
the hill and how it can bite and whatnot and yeah, it.
1:40:40
Was definitely very high consequence.
1:40:41
Like, I mean, we all got there like with an expectation of
1:40:44
like, OK, this is gonna be like, you know, maybe a little heavy,
1:40:48
but we'll figure it out and then like.
1:40:50
Climbing up the first sight lap, you're like, you're like, you
1:40:55
know, we did it at speed. So like, no one was like
1:40:58
drifting really. But like we like lined all the
1:41:00
cars. We had like a pace car in front
1:41:02
and then like a car in the rear and like, we're doing it at
1:41:05
speed and like, you're like, I'm clicking up a gear, yeah.
1:41:08
In a skinny. Yeah, yeah, like.
1:41:10
No run off. Yeah, I'm grabbing another gear
1:41:13
and it's like. Cliff face and guardrail.
1:41:15
And the guardrail looks pretty nice right now, honestly.
1:41:18
Yeah, guardrail looks nice and smooth.
1:41:20
That Cliff face looks fucking gnarly.
1:41:22
Yeah. So like, you hit it at speed,
1:41:24
you know, like do a little clutch kick at like the end of a
1:41:28
corner, kind of, you know, just like out of it, like slide out
1:41:32
of it, whatever. And then like on the way back
1:41:34
down, everyone's like grabbing a handbrake, checking like what,
1:41:36
like grip levels are like and everything.
1:41:38
It's deep. So, yeah, yeah, it was like a 7
1:41:40
or 8% grade in certain spots. I.
1:41:42
Feel like the video definitely didn't capture that.
1:41:44
I don't think it captured that. Holy shit.
1:41:46
It's like someone's like skating a huge, like stair set.
1:41:49
Yeah, big handrail or big? Gap or whatever.
1:41:51
It's like, oh that looks sick and but like in real life, that
1:41:53
shit's in crazy. It's just insane.
1:41:55
And where was this again? Kentucky like central Eastern
1:42:00
Kentucky, yeah. Yeah, just like real small town.
1:42:02
Like we like drove in Corbin, KY on Saturday.
1:42:07
And it was kind of like a like it's like an hour north.
1:42:10
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we we had a street league
1:42:12
down there at Corbin Arena. Ohh OK on Saturday.
1:42:16
That was like Friday and Saturday and then the select
1:42:20
drivers that we picked for the TOG then all met at that other
1:42:24
location. Yeah, it was like an hour drive
1:42:26
and we just met in like this small little like country town
1:42:29
like kind of at the bottom and yeah, like.
1:42:33
There's a couple parking lots, some gravels, like at a bank,
1:42:36
like all these spots and like police and fire were there, like
1:42:39
had it all set up. They had like a food truck there
1:42:41
for us and everything. Like they're super
1:42:43
accommodating. Was it was it you guys setting
1:42:47
it up with the town or was it there was a so drifting.
1:42:50
So the guy I met, yeah, from the hill climb stuff.
1:42:54
He has a organization called Back Roads of Appalachia.
1:43:00
OK. And he is a he organizes
1:43:06
essentially roads. So like Seca, you know, they'll
1:43:10
go through him and then he kind of helps secure roads.
1:43:13
OK. So basically with the with the
1:43:14
town or or the state, yeah. So he's he's always he's at
1:43:17
meetings nonstop. I don't know enough about the
1:43:20
political end of things, but so he pretty much did all the
1:43:25
legwork for that and then drifted.
1:43:28
He handles the event side. And dude.
1:43:31
It was awesome that they like. To do that, it was so fun.
1:43:33
It was definitely an experience and.
1:43:35
She's here. Yeah, so I mean, I brought it, I
1:43:38
brought it up earlier, but I had a trans issue the day before.
1:43:41
I saw that shit. So I was stayed up, had to drive
1:43:45
and source of trans and then. Strike my little brother, like
1:43:49
pulled the trains out of his car.
1:43:50
Whoa. I put it in my car, like, I
1:43:54
mean, it's every driver would do it.
1:43:55
Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, you're there, you're
1:43:57
broke. You like need to shit to get
1:43:59
fixed. So and you wanna drive the next
1:44:01
day in an event that, like you really are motivated to fight or
1:44:03
fly. Yeah, 100%.
1:44:05
So like getting there. It was definitely very surreal,
1:44:08
like it was a very cool experience.
1:44:11
It was heavy. I mean, it was like the, you
1:44:14
know, there was. A couple incidents, but like,
1:44:18
it's part of driving, so like, but it was definitely a road
1:44:22
that if you didn't respect it and everyone there is learning
1:44:26
it for the first time and even with like Chelsea being there,
1:44:29
he was just like, yo, like you guys need to take this very
1:44:32
seriously. Yeah, so like.
1:44:34
I feel like this is assuming a lot right now.
1:44:36
You guys can correct me. I feel like a lot of the people
1:44:38
that probably went there probably never even seen a
1:44:40
mountain. But yeah, I mean, to be fair, so
1:44:44
a lot of our Street League guys have never driven a track
1:44:47
outside of Killcare, which is our home track.
1:44:50
Yeah, that's in Dayton. Oh yeah.
1:44:52
And like a lot of those guys, until the day before at the
1:44:56
Street League at Corbin Arena have not driven a track besides
1:45:00
Killcare. Yeah.
1:45:01
So like to go from that to then a new parking lot track to a
1:45:07
cliffside mountain. Yeah, you know and you know, but
1:45:10
then again, at the same time, you know, we've got the
1:45:12
generation that all those kids are doing the SIM, yeah.
1:45:14
Yeah, yeah. For sure.
1:45:15
So like, you know, on the SIM, I think that probably helped
1:45:19
prepare them immensely on something like that.
1:45:22
Dude, it's fucking awesome. You guys did that, especially
1:45:24
for those guys that got to drive.
1:45:26
And if that's like the new crowd, like younger kids, that's
1:45:30
main it's mainly the next generation.
1:45:32
And it's a high level of trust. Yeah, like, again.
1:45:36
Like that event could have with one bad Apple, bro.
1:45:40
Yeah, could have. Fucked up the whole bar.
1:45:42
I mean, like there's a group chat with all the guys that
1:45:45
drove that event and like seeing the camaraderie after the event,
1:45:50
that's like, they all, like, felt like they went to war
1:45:53
together. I mean, it was like like
1:45:56
literally dudes like, you know, they're, they all know each
1:45:58
other because they've been driving against each other and
1:45:59
with each other. Yeah, sharing the same pits.
1:46:02
But like, after that, it seemed like everyone, that whole
1:46:05
weekend alone was just like out of town, hanging out partying
1:46:09
like downtown. So like, everyone seemed to get
1:46:12
closer and then like, everyone pretty much going to war at that
1:46:15
toad together. Like, yeah.
1:46:17
And even in the chat, they all just like, you could see the
1:46:19
unity, Yeah. And it was like it was cool.
1:46:23
It's like the next that everyone's drinking and hanging
1:46:24
out the night before. It's like, all right tomorrow,
1:46:26
yeah, when we drift on a toe game for the first time.
1:46:30
Isn't that crazy that, like you you guys are kind of.
1:46:34
You're responsible now for kind of not, maybe not the word
1:46:39
grooming is the right word, but you're like aiding the next
1:46:43
generation, kind of, Yeah, you're like kind of guiding it.
1:46:46
Like you're a fucking role model.
1:46:47
Now trying to that's. A.
1:46:50
You too. You're a role model.
1:46:51
Yeah, how fucking OK is a. Role model now very.
1:46:53
Loose term like isn't that wild like to me.
1:46:56
You guys are role models to me. Like I would love to one day
1:46:59
have something like this or share a story like you guys I
1:47:02
feel. Like us, we're just doing
1:47:03
something that we like. Yeah, if we can help somebody
1:47:06
else not make a mistake that we made, then like, that feels good
1:47:10
because it's like, hey, like that sucked.
1:47:12
You might not listen to me. I didn't listen when I was that
1:47:15
age, but just in case you do like it would be great like if
1:47:18
you didn't have to go through that hardship, but then
1:47:20
sometimes like maybe it's necessary.
1:47:22
Yeah. So like it's it feels good to
1:47:24
create like what Derek was saying, like everyone in that
1:47:26
group chat or whatever, like created that like camaraderie in
1:47:29
that community because like it makes it feel like it's going in
1:47:32
a like a positive way rather than it going towards like.
1:47:36
A like takeover or like some other like, well, like so many
1:47:40
other things that you could have picked, like getting a
1:47:42
generation like that to help promote, like what I think is
1:47:46
proper drifting. You know, instead of just a
1:47:49
bunch of old heads trying to beat it into the younger
1:47:51
generation. Like that goes a long way when
1:47:53
you have younger kids now sharing the same ideas that they
1:47:56
can pass on to guys their age or even now the next next
1:48:00
generation. So like, they're not.
1:48:02
I think it goes a lot, you know, it goes a long way to try to
1:48:05
like promote the right thing because the kids driving Street
1:48:09
League, now, they love it. They don't.
1:48:12
Their cars aren't built up to the, you know, the moon.
1:48:16
So like they can enjoy their cars.
1:48:18
Yeah, without it blowing up. And like, there's so many kids,
1:48:21
you know, like mentioned earlier, where they think they
1:48:23
need to throw the whole catalog at their car.
1:48:25
And that doesn't normally just mean suspension anymore.
1:48:28
It means like LS3 crate motors and stuff, you know?
1:48:33
And that, I mean, that's really happening.
1:48:35
Yeah. So yeah, I haven't driven.
1:48:36
And so then it's like, oh, I got this cool drift car built.
1:48:39
Oh no, now I'm burning $1000 in tires A.
1:48:42
Day. Every time I drive, yeah, yeah,
1:48:44
yeah. It becomes unsustainable.
1:48:45
Like, yeah. And then now, like, you know,
1:48:48
whether it's just going to be a phase for them or not.
1:48:50
Like, that's not going to help them potentially like become a
1:48:53
lifer at like, you know, enjoying something like Drifter.
1:48:56
So it was like that idea of like sustainability like.
1:48:59
I've never tried to build a car that I could not afford to
1:49:02
actually use. Yeah, because.
1:49:05
Now high horsepower, you're running a sequential, you're
1:49:07
doing all these things. People really don't think about
1:49:11
that shit. No, that's.
1:49:13
An important factor. So if we can have those
1:49:16
conversations face to face rather than someone just looking
1:49:19
at a YouTuber for those answers, it's not saying that that's
1:49:21
wrong, but they're in a different stage of.
1:49:24
Where their career is or where like life is for them sometimes.
1:49:27
Like if you're a college kid, like I remember being in college
1:49:30
and like wanting to be able to like drift but also being like,
1:49:33
you know, like every dollar counts.
1:49:35
Yo, like what Derek was saying. Like, you know, like being in a
1:49:38
high school and talking about like, all right, I'm saving up
1:49:40
my lunch money for an exhaust. Like am I saving up my money for
1:49:44
like a like a track day or for tires Or like maybe I need seats
1:49:50
and a coil overs like you know what I mean?
1:49:51
Just like those bare minimum things.
1:49:54
So, like, having those face to face conversations rather than
1:49:57
just being like, I guess I'm looking online for this thing
1:50:01
through someone that like, doesn't really have the same,
1:50:05
like, means as I do. No.
1:50:06
But a louder voice that's the problem.
1:50:08
Yeah. Yeah.
1:50:09
Yeah, absolutely. Like, they think that because
1:50:10
they're on YouTube, they're the louder voice they need to listen
1:50:13
to. Yeah.
1:50:14
Or you said something interesting, which is like
1:50:17
they'll share it amongst their friends, They'll they'll.
1:50:21
I've seen it where like. Yeah, like somebody of your,
1:50:27
somebody more similar to you will say the same exact thing
1:50:30
that somebody else said, and then you'll listen to that
1:50:32
person. Yeah, like, resonates.
1:50:35
Yeah, yeah. It resonates more with that
1:50:38
person, Frankie, to me. Well, like, I'll say something
1:50:42
to you. Oh.
1:50:43
Yeah, like you'll see other people say, and then somebody
1:50:45
else will say the same exact thing to me.
1:50:47
And I'm like, you know what? Yeah, that actually might work.
1:50:49
But since it came out of you, and maybe since you were saying
1:50:51
it in like a way where I'm like, this guy is just trying to
1:50:53
preach to me right now, then I'm like, but I'm not gonna listen
1:50:58
to this guy. That's why it helps to like to
1:51:00
have the homies like I know. Like, yeah, dude.
1:51:02
I maybe even take it for granted, but like I'll have a
1:51:04
conversation where I'd like, I have something like in my head
1:51:06
where I'm like OK, like if I'm changing spring rates, like I
1:51:09
need to make sure dampening is good.
1:51:10
And like, I need to make sure like all of these things are OK
1:51:13
and then I'll talk to Derek about it.
1:51:14
And he's like, dude, I've trained spring rates and this,
1:51:16
this and that. And, like, it affected it this
1:51:19
way. Like the dampening was not
1:51:21
changed. So like, I can bounce that
1:51:23
information off of him. Somebody that has like grip and
1:51:26
like track experience where like I'm building up in my head like
1:51:29
it's gonna be such a negative move and I need to spend all
1:51:31
this extra money to do it properly.
1:51:34
Quotations. You know what I'm saying?
1:51:36
Because like it needs to. It has to be this way.
1:51:38
Otherwise your car's gonna catch on fire and you're gonna crash.
1:51:41
You know what I'm saying? Like.
1:51:42
Some absurd thing versus somebody that has like firsthand
1:51:45
experience saying, like this is the benefit of it.
1:51:47
This is, you know, the negative of it.
1:51:49
So, like, I'm giving you that information now.
1:51:52
Like you can make that decision. And it's pretty much like, do
1:51:55
you trust this person? Like, that's pretty much what it
1:51:57
is. Like, if you're hearing that
1:51:58
from random people on the Internet, then it's like, OK, I
1:52:01
don't know. But then if it's like your boy,
1:52:03
that's like OK. Absolutely.
1:52:04
You know, he's got experience. Yeah.
1:52:06
If you can back it up, then it's like, OK, but like that goes
1:52:08
back to what you were saying, Carl, with like, people
1:52:12
messaging you and shit like, oh, you should try this.
1:52:14
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's like, yeah, yes and
1:52:16
no. I mean, you know, being be
1:52:18
courteous but like just. No, I definitely, always, I want
1:52:21
to always make sure that not everybody, even your closest
1:52:25
friends, sometimes won't even give you an input.
1:52:28
OK, it takes somebody to give you input that that takes effort
1:52:31
from their end too. So I make sure never to just be
1:52:33
like. Dismissive about it or yeah.
1:52:35
Or put somebody down for telling me an opinion of theirs because
1:52:38
like, they're trying to just help me too.
1:52:41
But yeah, like, I think that that's wildly important that to
1:52:46
be. Make sure that you're always
1:52:47
grateful that you have your friends because like, I have
1:52:48
those friends too. Chris Darrell.
1:52:50
Like what Quan. Like we'll always just bounce
1:52:52
ideas off of each other and it sometimes will prevent me from
1:52:56
doing something else because I'm like, you know what?
1:52:59
So and so said this. That might not be the move for
1:53:01
me. Maybe I should go like explore
1:53:03
it a little. Bit more, yeah, Or it'll prevent
1:53:04
you from spending a lot of money sometimes, like you're saying.
1:53:06
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
1:53:07
I think that's what like DK was like kind of bringing up was
1:53:09
like it creates like that community and it, you know, you
1:53:12
have that conversation between like younger driver, like one
1:53:16
generation to the next versus just like, I don't know, like
1:53:20
taking someone's word for it. Yeah, that might have a platform
1:53:23
that like gives them that word and like what I said maybe
1:53:27
earlier with that like. Be wary of like.
1:53:30
And I feel like you guys dealt with all that already with the
1:53:32
forums too. The forums were brutal back in
1:53:36
the day. Yeah, yeah.
1:53:37
But also helpful. Well, I'm.
1:53:39
Still on them. I also go through there.
1:53:41
Yes and no. But also like at the same time
1:53:43
when you were trying to evolve and start drifting like the
1:53:46
forums were like fucking idiot. You know, like you will die if
1:53:51
you stretch your tires. Or, you know, like everyone's
1:53:54
heard that. 214 on a 9 inch wide.
1:53:57
Bro DK, I feel like you've probably been banned from some
1:53:59
from some forums before in the past.
1:54:00
Does that happen? It's it's happened a few times.
1:54:03
OK. Yeah.
1:54:04
I'll get that vibe. Yeah, that's happened.
1:54:06
Yeah, that was they were those ones weren't good anyway.
1:54:11
Yeah. Did we, did we have any
1:54:13
questions? We definitely got questions, but
1:54:14
I got one too. This Toge Mountain run.
1:54:17
Is this gonna happen again? Yeah, it'll happen again.
1:54:20
OK. All right, nice.
1:54:20
You think you're ever gonna open it up to more people?
1:54:22
Or is it more like it's always gonna be handpicked?
1:54:25
OK. That's just probably.
1:54:27
I think that's. For the your own good.
1:54:28
Yeah. Type of obviously like they'll
1:54:30
be. You know that doesn't mean that
1:54:32
I'm we're not gonna let people that we don't know.
1:54:35
Yeah. It just means there's gonna be
1:54:36
an application process, just like we, you know, we do apps
1:54:40
for St. leagues still, you know, to make sure you're not bringing
1:54:43
a heap of shit that no one wants Store in their car.
1:54:45
You know, you have to do that stuff, yeah.
1:54:47
Absolutely. So yeah, there'll be an
1:54:50
application process for sure. But like, there's no saying,
1:54:54
like we're never gonna let new drivers in.
1:54:56
That just that would be silly. Cuz you guys definitely, Well,
1:55:00
you and whoever else was involved, definitely.
1:55:03
Set the tone. Let's say broke the Internet.
1:55:05
That weekend, or whenever it was, that's.
1:55:07
Just cuz I feel like everyone was like, what the fuck is
1:55:09
going? On It was a big moment in
1:55:11
drifting that I think a lot of people needed to see, so it was
1:55:15
really cool. Yeah, it made it real.
1:55:17
Like us stateside, togue. It felt good for the US,
1:55:20
definitely, but it was one of those things like it's been
1:55:22
done. Like as far as like people St.
1:55:25
sliding and Oh yeah, elevation. Like, of course, like in the
1:55:28
mountains. Washington, Oregon.
1:55:30
Like, absolutely. It's something that's always
1:55:31
been around. But as far as like bringing it
1:55:34
to like something that's structured and now we have like
1:55:37
fire safety there, that if something does happen, it's not
1:55:39
just you and your homies, like trying to pull a car.
1:55:41
Yeah. Like recovery is there or like.
1:55:44
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like. So it gives it like a little bit
1:55:47
of a safety net there, which is great.
1:55:49
Yeah. So it's not.
1:55:50
And you're not putting other people's lives in danger, like
1:55:52
that's always, like, such a big thing.
1:55:53
It's basically like the cooler track version of, you know,
1:55:57
Yeah, I saw a lot of videos resurfacing from other people
1:56:01
doing it in different parts of the country, really organized or
1:56:04
not, because they're like, hey, we've been doing this too.
1:56:07
So I started seeing videos like Resurface.
1:56:09
Which is awesome. It's just fine to see that.
1:56:11
Yeah, like, there's nothing wrong with that.
1:56:12
But. But this was like a.
1:56:14
I mean, I'm calling it a track day, like that's what it was to
1:56:16
me, like calling. It a hill climb because that's
1:56:18
exactly what was going on. Yeah, but like, I mean, like you
1:56:20
said, the. Roofs, yeah.
1:56:21
Yeah, like there's fire, there's, you know, everyone's
1:56:24
there, it's safe. The shit that they're probably
1:56:26
showing is like illegal St. stuff, which is obviously cool,
1:56:29
we all like that. But you know, it's, it's two
1:56:32
totally different things. So yeah, I mean it's, you know,
1:56:36
you could call it a controlled environment, you know, but.
1:56:39
Yeah, no, it's definitely awesome though another question
1:56:42
I had was. The what was it?
1:56:45
Street League? Do you guys have like rules for
1:56:49
car specs and stuff? Like how does that work?
1:56:51
Just tires, tire size? OK, yeah, yeah, that's like the.
1:56:54
I feel like that's like the go. I mean, we would like them all
1:56:56
to look as cool as possible, Yeah, so and like some guys
1:57:00
apply and then get irritated that they don't get accepted and
1:57:04
whatnot. And most of the time it's
1:57:06
because they don't really understand the concept of what
1:57:08
it is. You know, they see it as another
1:57:10
competition, competition, payout thing that they want to try to
1:57:13
win. Yeah.
1:57:13
And it's not. That's not not what.
1:57:15
It is. I do like that though.
1:57:17
Doesn't that? Wouldn't that like motivate?
1:57:19
You to make your car. Not so like, oh, OK, well, it
1:57:22
has worked because, like the first year of Street League, I
1:57:25
mean, it was tough to get cars that were good luck, appropriate
1:57:29
looking for what we were, you know, what we want, you know.
1:57:31
And you know, it's a, in a way, a nostalgia series, you know?
1:57:35
Oh wow. I like.
1:57:36
I love that. It's hard to actually put that
1:57:40
on paper, to call it that, because obviously not everyone
1:57:43
can drive 90s and 2000s drift cars because they're just not
1:57:46
out there. Yeah, yeah.
1:57:47
But, like, it's to try to motivate people to at least put
1:57:51
effort into that style and that era of drifting.
1:57:55
Yeah, so. It's similar to Final Bout in a
1:57:57
way, yeah, in a way. Oriented, yeah.
1:58:00
Yeah, I would call it. Like Lock City has it St.
1:58:04
series. Too.
1:58:05
Yeah, they yeah. Like, yeah.
1:58:06
Well, that's why I asked about the tire size and stuff, because
1:58:08
I know other. Other groups are trying to do
1:58:11
like Street Street series stuff, which is fucking awesome.
1:58:14
Obviously we all like that stuff, but it yeah, it's like
1:58:17
how do you go about like Unlock City was saying like you need
1:58:20
like 8080% of your interior and stuff like that.
1:58:23
So we we try. To we try to enforce the
1:58:26
interior stuff at the same time. It's like, you know, cages are
1:58:30
recommended, especially unlike the older cars.
1:58:34
And it is hard to refit interior, to be honest,
1:58:37
sometimes it's hard to just get interior if you got a car that
1:58:39
didn't come with it. So like that's we try to enforce
1:58:43
that. Like we don't want people
1:58:45
showing up with like aluminum dashes that are.
1:58:48
Ohh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, we don't require like
1:58:52
side windows, you know, But like it's mainly people who want to
1:58:58
be a part of it should know what we're looking for.
1:59:00
Yeah. And if they don't, then we try
1:59:02
to teach them that and like, we'll get guys that show up.
1:59:05
And we're like, man, we were like, technically this car
1:59:07
shouldn't pass tech because like our tech requires.
1:59:10
It's a problem to look. Yeah.
1:59:11
To look, right. You know?
1:59:12
And then it's like, all right, you know, we kind of have to
1:59:15
talk to them and like, try to get them to understand.
1:59:18
And then that's sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.
1:59:20
And then sometimes you see the guys actually, like, go back, go
1:59:23
in the right direction, and then they start gradually showing up
1:59:26
with something more and more like what it's supposed to.
1:59:28
And they're like, damn, this is sweet, yeah.
1:59:29
It's definitely a balance too, because like, you want good
1:59:32
driving. So like, do you want just cars
1:59:34
that look sick as fuck? But like, they're not putting a
1:59:36
run together or they're putting a run together, but they're
1:59:38
tandem's like kind of like shoddy.
1:59:40
So it's like, yeah, it's like, OK, we have a car that has a lot
1:59:43
of potential and you have a conversation with that person
1:59:46
and it's like, OK, like. You know what can you do to
1:59:50
like, you know, not running like like plexi windows or things
1:59:56
like that like are running more interior like those things like
1:59:59
the idea of like having this more.
2:00:01
Of a street. Streetable thing that they call
2:00:03
streetly. Yeah, well that you can enjoy on
2:00:05
the. Like, yeah, you can go like go
2:00:08
over to your homie's house in it.
2:00:09
Like it doesn't just need to live on a trailer.
2:00:11
You know what one rule that I always wish existed.
2:00:14
You guys can probably tell me why this might not, but.
2:00:17
Radio having the car registered. Oh, oh, yeah.
2:00:19
Like to drive like. Is that a rule?
2:00:21
I've never not had my car registered.
2:00:24
It's not a rule. OK Yeah.
2:00:27
I think that's actually like a rule for like the D1 Street.
2:00:30
Yeah. Class.
2:00:30
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
2:00:32
It was like the rule. Yeah.
2:00:33
So our issue with that was like we'd get a lot of like right
2:00:35
hand drive cars that you know. Yeah, yeah, they come from.
2:00:39
Allegedly. Yeah, so like.
2:00:42
There's definitely and also like that doesn't necessarily help
2:00:45
the rule book at all because like anyone that you can go
2:00:48
register in Indiana, you know, we can register damn near
2:00:51
anything. Yeah.
2:00:52
So that doesn't keep anyone from showing up with a car that's
2:00:54
still a. Pro Am car, you know?
2:00:57
Yeah. So it'd be like little things
2:00:59
for me like radio. And yeah, we have like cars that
2:01:02
are I would say almost pro two level that do do come.
2:01:08
Yeah, and like. And they look a bit better, but
2:01:11
like as far as like the components they have to make the
2:01:14
car drive well and the horsepower like they're right up
2:01:17
there with a proium type car, but they're still limited by the
2:01:20
two 45300 tread wear. Yeah, So what tire 245 Max and
2:01:26
300 minimum tread wear. OK.
2:01:28
Yeah. So I mean that's a pretty good
2:01:29
size. Yeah, absolutely.
2:01:31
I mean, it makes it competitive where someone's not just even
2:01:33
with the like, the layouts too, like that can completely change
2:01:37
like how it's being run. Like, I mean, you have a a
2:01:39
layout that like helps lower horsepower cars.
2:01:41
Like, yeah, cool, you have 600 horsepower and you're, you know,
2:01:44
blowing your tires off. But like if a Miata or whatever
2:01:47
is like pushing you through the course because like you're just
2:01:51
blowing smoke the whole time, like they have advantage you.
2:01:54
Know what I'm saying? It's pretty crazy, yeah.
2:01:56
Because we, I mean. We have often a stock 350Z power
2:02:01
plant and like a 2JZ and then a turbo Miata on podium.
2:02:07
Last event all the time. Yeah, and it's.
2:02:09
A pretty good mix, which is really exciting.
2:02:12
That's awesome. Yeah.
2:02:13
Getting to see like under powered cars or what you would
2:02:16
think. Wow.
2:02:17
Hell, we've had like a E36 and three on podium with just this
2:02:22
NA motor. Obviously, those things are.
2:02:24
Nothing to call home about. Yeah, they get around, but yeah,
2:02:29
they're probably not as good as, even as.
2:02:31
Soccer driver ability, which is like, is amazing.
2:02:34
Like, it's one of those things like anytime you see somebody
2:02:37
with a pretty mild build, like really putting it on everybody,
2:02:41
like, that's who you're excited to watch.
2:02:44
Like, it's one of those things like, I'm rooting for that guy
2:02:46
because like, yeah, I know what that car's about.
2:02:49
And that dude is like. Putting it on everybody all
2:02:51
weekend like I hope like he's the one that's number one this
2:02:55
weekend. And we don't, We don't
2:02:56
necessarily have a problem where it's like, dudes bring in these
2:03:00
super tricked out like JDM cars and they can't drive for shit
2:03:04
because like, they have to qualify, so they wanna do good.
2:03:10
So like, it's not just like, Ohh, I got this cool car, it's
2:03:13
pretty shit because I can't drive it very well, so like.
2:03:17
All the guys wanna do good. So like I haven't ran into that
2:03:20
problem where guys are bringing like really neat stuff and just
2:03:22
can't perform at all. Like it's pretty stiff all
2:03:25
around, so. So it seems to be working out.
2:03:28
Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, that's awesome,
2:03:30
man. English Town or Yeah, Club Loose
2:03:33
is gonna have a cart track competition where it's the same
2:03:36
kind of structure. Club loose but sorry the Drift
2:03:40
School at English Town East Coast Drift School.
2:03:44
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's gonna, he's
2:03:47
organizing a competition where it's a 235 tire cage, which
2:03:50
tandem is allowed, which is big thing in New Jersey and.
2:03:55
Yeah, we're all stoked for that, cuz we're we're hoping for that.
2:03:58
Something will come out of that, yeah, because hopefully it
2:04:00
sparks a. Is that a gambler event?
2:04:03
No, no, technically it's not right.
2:04:04
It's separate because the gambler event of what I've
2:04:07
known. It was a small tire class
2:04:08
though, right? I don't actually know enough
2:04:11
about the Gambler series. I know that the Gambler series.
2:04:13
They have an unlimited, it has an unlimited and there is a 235
2:04:17
class I think. That's what that's what Reese
2:04:19
was telling me that, OK, I think that there was a 235.
2:04:23
Probably, yeah. They're probably fast 2:35
2:04:27
class. The thing is like when it's on
2:04:29
the Figure 8, I I don't give a fuck about that track
2:04:32
personally. When it's on the road course,
2:04:34
it's on the road course. Yeah, that's pretty sick.
2:04:36
Yeah, yeah, be sick. But the Figure 8 I'm like.
2:04:39
Like when we go to FD and like have, I mean, you know, go there
2:04:42
to have a booth and everything, like, we'll shut it down.
2:04:45
We'll go watch like the end of FD because it's fun to see at at
2:04:48
this stage. It's like, dude, those cars are
2:04:50
just fucking entertainment. Like, it's not.
2:04:52
Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah.
2:04:53
Like, I'm not watching that. It's wild.
2:04:54
Yeah. I'm not watching that and like
2:04:56
comparing it to like, what we're doing.
2:04:58
Yeah, I'm watching it. Like I'm watching something that
2:05:00
I'll never be able to do. Yeah.
2:05:02
And it's like, it's fun to see that on on a Figure 8, but like.
2:05:06
I've seen like fucking 300 horsepower cars in the Figure 8.
2:05:08
I'm like, I'm good. Yeah, I mean, and it's dangerous
2:05:11
as fuck because it's there, there's walls, every fucking
2:05:14
corner. So I'm like, right there, yeah.
2:05:16
Both of them. Fuck, they're hard as fuck too.
2:05:19
Yeah, I'm not trying to do a comp and fuck my car up for a
2:05:24
Figure 8, like, more power to them.
2:05:26
But that car track comp has me excited because I have a GE
2:05:29
still and I love my G Cuz I get in and I turn it on and it's
2:05:32
still slow as shit. Yeah, dude, the car track is fun
2:05:35
and it's just fun on a slow. Car.
2:05:36
It's weird. It's like old parking lot shit
2:05:39
but and it's rough as fuck, but it's like it makes you feel like
2:05:42
it's the old days away, you know what I mean?
2:05:45
So that sounds great. And the track the layout.
2:05:47
It's like I was telling you this earlier too.
2:05:50
So they did that at. The Invitational, right?
2:05:53
Yes, yes. Yeah, OK.
2:05:54
And that shit was sick, dude. That was awesome.
2:05:57
Like like when they were doing that, that track is fun.
2:05:59
It's a fast, straight, quick, short, fast, straight, Yeah.
2:06:03
And then it's like a super hard entry.
2:06:05
So like, it's everybody's favorite shit, you know?
2:06:07
That's what, That's what the crowd likes to see.
2:06:09
Like, yeah, it's gonna be a good time.
2:06:11
Would you guys ever consider going out there for a BMI if
2:06:13
they keep doing them? I mean, we got the invites, we
2:06:16
just, we haven't been. Traveling.
2:06:19
Really. I'd say.
2:06:20
Like, I know it sounds like we have, but we.
2:06:22
Yeah, really. It sounds like you have and
2:06:23
that's why. You do that.
2:06:24
Kentucky. Tennessee.
2:06:26
Yeah, fucking Ohio. Kentucky is only like 6 hours
2:06:30
from us. Yeah, we.
2:06:32
Still a lot of another 4 hours, I was about to say.
2:06:34
Only it's crazy. Only another four hours and
2:06:38
you're but that falls under Derek's threshold of seven
2:06:40
hours. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:06:41
Yeah. For Street.
2:06:43
Yeah, fair enough, but. Dude, we didn't even.
2:06:46
I feel like there's a lot of shit we didn't even.
2:06:47
Get to talk about E Town's my favorite like track.
2:06:49
Period. Still.
2:06:50
And awesome, I've done. I've done Horses Mile and like,
2:06:52
yeah, that's E Town is over. You know, US Air is like
2:06:56
everyone's favorite. But like E Town, E Town is my
2:07:00
favorite period still. Yeah, I agree with that
2:07:02
statement. I say the same thing.
2:07:03
I'm like, I know it's our home track, but I don't.
2:07:06
I feel like it's. You got everything there?
2:07:07
Yeah. There's a lot to like about that
2:07:09
track. Yeah, like.
2:07:11
First turn, you can really like, stretch your legs out of it,
2:07:13
that's what. I like, like, you get to really,
2:07:16
you know? Yeah, dude.
2:07:17
That first turn is sick, man and now everyone's obsessed with
2:07:21
tree turn and all the other one like they just there's different
2:07:24
setups like layouts You can do now.
2:07:26
Well Josh, Josh. Fucking well now.
2:07:29
They laid up tree turn. Yeah, now they're going
2:07:31
backwards at tree turn. I was like, I gotta throw a
2:07:33
backy. That's the only care I think I
2:07:35
care about. Which is like something I don't
2:07:36
really, yeah. Fuck.
2:07:40
It's. Like each their own.
2:07:41
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like I always, I always tell
2:07:43
Carl, I'm like, yeah, I'm not really into that stuff, but it's
2:07:45
cool to watch. But like, it's fun of shit to
2:07:48
try once you. When you try, you're like, what
2:07:50
the fuck? I'm just like, I always think of
2:07:52
like Josh always talks like, oh, you got so much to learn this
2:07:54
and that. I'm like, I definitely probably
2:07:56
have a lot to learn in the last three years, but I still have no
2:08:00
interest in doing that shit. But thanks for the comment.
2:08:03
But yeah, like, I get it, but I don't know.
2:08:06
It's just not for me. I like.
2:08:08
I like the breaking style I always have.
2:08:11
Yeah, it's very nostalgic. You use that word.
2:08:14
So I will always hope that that's how you guys stay.
2:08:18
Yeah, that's just what we like. So yeah, we're gonna keep doing
2:08:21
what we like. That's awesome.
2:08:23
Not I like trying different stuff, but like it always.
2:08:25
Goes back it always. Goes back to the same thing.
2:08:28
Yeah, and I don't. And you know, like, sometimes I
2:08:30
hate it. All right, let's see.
2:08:33
Let's see if we got any questions we threw this shit up
2:08:35
like. Right before I called Malcolm,
2:08:38
yeah. And disclaimers?
2:08:39
Sometimes they're actually not. Sometimes they're usually more
2:08:43
or less just random ass fucking questions now, which people tend
2:08:46
to like. Really random shit.
2:08:48
Let's see if Laughlin's on there.
2:08:49
Tell him that Malcolm's not here.
2:08:53
Is he there? None.
2:08:55
I'm sure he'll be here, Alcol. Let me see.
2:08:57
There's a few names. Make sure to try to read the
2:09:02
names. I love these peoples.
2:09:03
I love watching Frankie try to read this shit, dude.
2:09:07
It's like sometimes, sometimes we'll do a whole podcast and
2:09:09
then we'll be like, all right, let's do this, submit questions
2:09:11
real quick and then I open this and I'm like, OK, let's do a
2:09:14
whole nother podcast. It's like, it's like fucking
2:09:18
ridiculous, but let's there's a lot.
2:09:20
Yeah, we posted up an hour ago. I know.
2:09:23
First first comment, show me the fart facts.
2:09:25
What? What is that?
2:09:28
What the fuck is the Aiden keeps bringing that up to me, dude.
2:09:30
He's like, how do you not know what fart facts is?
2:09:32
Aiden? I don't know what fart facts
2:09:34
are, bro. Yo, your brother, How does it
2:09:35
feel being the second coolest? How do you say you name?
2:09:38
By Ansky. By Ansky, I keep saying Beyoncé.
2:09:40
He called you the second coolest.
2:09:45
And then another one. What's it like being so damn
2:09:47
cool? Apparently you guys are fucking
2:09:48
cool. So pretty fucking cool to me,
2:09:51
dude. Ask him about his waistgate.
2:09:54
Is that a thing? So who said that?
2:09:57
John Lewis. I figured that's who it was.
2:10:01
So our teammate that was helping me do the trans last weekend,
2:10:05
when we pulled the trans because it was damaged, we saw that a
2:10:09
few of the bolts on the waistgate had backed out.
2:10:11
Is it like an old setup? Wastegate.
2:10:13
It's like. We're talking about the bolts
2:10:15
that hold the diaphragm together and.
2:10:17
That's. The manifold, the hat on the
2:10:21
waistgate SO. This week actually, John made
2:10:25
sure that I put more of those bolts off.
2:10:27
So we're good now. Because you drove it like that,
2:10:28
obviously, yeah. It had like 2 bolts in it out of
2:10:31
the six. Yeah, So, but it worked.
2:10:33
It was fine 1/3 a third. That's pretty.
2:10:36
Good, I. Guess the Westgate's doing
2:10:38
great. Perfect.
2:10:40
Milk. What kind of name is this?
2:10:41
Milk and cookies. How do you balance by your name?
2:10:45
What are you talking? About, it actually is a really
2:10:48
good name. How do you balance cars, life,
2:10:50
responsibilities, and everything else in between?
2:10:52
Not a bad question. I feel like we didn't even talk
2:10:54
about this shit. That's probably both of you.
2:10:56
Yeah, oh. Man, Yeah, cuz.
2:10:59
We're gonna begin with that. Like how do you balance?
2:11:01
Yeah, I guess you know, this would be a good question for you
2:11:03
considering there's thirteen cars in the No 22.
2:11:06
Yeah. I don't know if it's balanced
2:11:08
that well, OK. I mean, I guess like not having
2:11:14
really any other hobbies helps. So like.
2:11:17
Yeah. Definitely.
2:11:18
When you're not juggling multiple things.
2:11:20
Obviously I don't have any kids. Like, this is my main.
2:11:27
My main. It's my lifestyle.
2:11:28
Yeah. So like when you don't have
2:11:31
other obligations really, you know, other than, like paying
2:11:34
bills. So I guess it's not that
2:11:36
difficult. I think it brings a lot of
2:11:37
stress sometimes when you take on too much work.
2:11:40
Yeah, maybe. What's happening here?
2:11:42
I mean, I can tell you right now like if the majority of these
2:11:45
cars are yours. I'm stressed out for you and
2:11:47
they're not even mine, so I'm surprised you can even handle.
2:11:50
I guess it doesn't really bother you like having different.
2:11:53
Projects I'm. Totally different.
2:11:54
See this amount. Of this is chaos for you.
2:11:57
For me, it's not chaos because I've known him for so long.
2:12:00
I get it. But I'm very different where I
2:12:04
have a bunch of hobbies, I do a bunch of different things.
2:12:07
So I guess it's just all about putting priorities in place.
2:12:12
And making sure, like, the people that I care a lot about,
2:12:15
like understand, like where they exist in those, like priorities.
2:12:18
So like, there's been times in the past where I've like maybe
2:12:21
put like certain hobbies before, like relationships or like
2:12:24
things like that. And like, those were some things
2:12:27
that took like some growing up to do to understand like, how to
2:12:30
approach those and be cool with it.
2:12:32
So like, yeah, you know, like that was definitely something
2:12:35
that was important to me is like, yo, this is a huge part of
2:12:37
my life. But also like.
2:12:40
Like my partner being important, or like skating being important
2:12:43
or art, or like all these different things and like, I
2:12:47
don't know, I guess it just takes time with anything.
2:12:48
You know what I mean? Like you start to figure it out
2:12:50
and like no like learn from those mistakes I guess.
2:12:53
Yeah, it's almost like one of those things where you're kind
2:12:55
of gonna have to go through it. And just like, learn?
2:12:58
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
2:12:59
To each his own type of deal. Yeah, I mean, like, I mean, it's
2:13:02
good advice either way. But yeah, I feel like sometimes
2:13:04
you gotta go through it yourself and you know, see how it works
2:13:08
out. Best thing you like about your
2:13:10
FD3 and dislike. I'm just gonna assume this is
2:13:13
for you. Well, I mean, Dirk has one too.
2:13:16
Well, he has actually 2. Yeah, yeah.
2:13:19
Why am I not actually drives? Though, so the thing I like
2:13:25
about it most, possibly the like the platform, like the engine
2:13:29
itself. It was definitely something that
2:13:32
I didn't know a whole lot about other than I had like some like,
2:13:35
homies. Like when I first got into it
2:13:38
that had them so like I could rely on them for like
2:13:40
information if I like got stuck. So like the Rotary engine, it
2:13:44
was definitely like a big like factor for me.
2:13:48
Yeah, visually. Also, like, I really like the
2:13:51
way that they look. Dislike.
2:13:55
Ooh, let's go. I guess maybe the price point of
2:14:00
certain things now is, but like that just exists within
2:14:03
anything. Like as things age things are
2:14:06
gonna get more expensive, but like.
2:14:07
But it is Dom Toretto's car, so right?
2:14:09
Hey. It's really different, but like
2:14:12
I. I'm very biased.
2:14:13
It's hard for me to ask like a dislike.
2:14:14
Honestly. Like so.
2:14:15
You really like those cars. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:14:17
Like it's outside of it. Like, I don't really know
2:14:21
something else. Like I've drifted a lot of other
2:14:23
cars and I still like kind of go back to mine like I'm the person
2:14:27
that like. If I skate a setup, I love that
2:14:31
setup. Or if I drive a certain thing
2:14:32
like I like that thing. You're kind of committed to it.
2:14:35
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. God damn, I love it.
2:14:37
Very biased. Yeah, I can relate a lot to,
2:14:39
yeah, what you're saying right now, like with my car, like,
2:14:41
I've had it for over 10 years now, but I drifted it for like
2:14:45
10 years straight. And people are like, are you
2:14:48
gonna change it to this? I'm like.
2:14:50
Why would I do that? Not don't really want to DK is
2:14:51
probably the opposite of us, but.
2:14:53
No, I regret not being like that because like, it's way cooler to
2:14:57
have a commitment to 1 chassis. Like in, yeah, it's smarter,
2:15:01
it's easier, it's smarter. Like depending on your goal,
2:15:05
like in Derek's case, the smartest thing to do is just
2:15:09
keep, get what you want that you truly want and run with it.
2:15:12
Yeah. Whereas like I've had so many
2:15:15
different things which you know. I guess is good for me as far as
2:15:19
like learning different cars which then helps me kind of work
2:15:22
on other stuff. Definitely helps you kind of
2:15:24
work on customer stuff and yeah you know help people with setups
2:15:28
or whatnot. So like I in a way it's good for
2:15:30
me to try out a lot of stuff but like if that's not like kind of
2:15:33
like your your thing to always be essentially lifestyle of
2:15:39
working on cars you know like yeah yeah then definitely not
2:15:42
the move but like I I do wish that it like.
2:15:45
I had a car that I pretty much started with and kept that same
2:15:48
thing. Going so like with that, like
2:15:50
he's doing a lot of those like modifications at time and time
2:15:54
and time again where like I've said it and it already exists.
2:15:58
So I don't have to do that again.
2:15:59
But at the same time like I feel what it also like differentiates
2:16:03
like DK from myself is that he can wheel like anything, like he
2:16:08
can hop in anyone's car. He's gonna put a good lap
2:16:10
together and it's gonna look great.
2:16:12
For me, it'll probably take all day.
2:16:14
I'm gonna try really fucking hard.
2:16:16
I'm gonna look like a dickhead for half the day and I'm gonna
2:16:18
feel very frustrated. Kind of feel the same as that.
2:16:20
Yeah, so like with me I'm like, OK, like I have these like
2:16:24
parameters that I exist in where him having the like driving
2:16:28
talent that he does, I feels like like lets him like kind of
2:16:32
like overreach, not overreach, but like perform in other
2:16:36
chassis really well also. And that's something I've always
2:16:39
like admired with like. Him as being like my teammate
2:16:42
where I was like, fuck, I wish I could do that.
2:16:43
Yeah, yeah, no, it's definitely like, you guys are like the
2:16:46
perfect two people to do this with, cuz it's like 2 opposite
2:16:49
ends of the spectrum with that stuff.
2:16:51
But I've always wanted to get into rotaries and whatnot.
2:16:56
But like, I always had this thought where I was like.
2:17:00
I usually don't consider when I think about rotaries and getting
2:17:03
one and working on it, I usually don't think about drifting it.
2:17:06
It's usually total opposite thing, like just driving it and,
2:17:09
you know, figuring it out. Using it as a, you know, fun
2:17:12
weekend car. Yeah, but some I remember
2:17:15
someone asked me like, oh, why don't you just get it like a
2:17:18
Rotary and drift it? And I was like, dude, fuck,
2:17:20
learning how to do everything I know how to do in an S chassis
2:17:22
again, you know what I mean? I feel that way all over like.
2:17:27
Like, I know that car inside and out.
2:17:29
Like there's not one part of that car.
2:17:31
I don't know. So it's like.
2:17:32
It's like, oh fuck, here we go, yeah.
2:17:33
So I started with an S chassis and then I went to an RX7 and
2:17:37
that's how I feel now. So like, yeah, I feel you on
2:17:40
that for sure. Yeah, Derek's like that's what I
2:17:42
live for. This shit's getting him.
2:17:45
Yeah. I mean, I'm like, no, now it's
2:17:47
just like more money. This car needs like all these
2:17:50
suspension parts where I can just take like.
2:17:54
An FC or something, and it's just like I'll change the
2:17:56
bushings. Leave it alone.
2:17:57
Yeah, yeah, yeah. True.
2:17:59
Where it's like the eight has like 12 different control arms
2:18:02
in the back. Like those all probably need to
2:18:04
be adjustable for me to lower this thing a lot.
2:18:07
I Speaking of which, I saw we had an FC.
2:18:10
We're getting more rotaries now, so we saw an FC on the alignment
2:18:12
rack the other day and I was like, what in the fucking
2:18:14
primitive? Shoot is going.
2:18:16
On back here bro, I'm like what is this setup?
2:18:19
In the back it was it's so like primitive to me after going from
2:18:22
like multi links and seeing all that.
2:18:24
That stuff. But then I hear people talk
2:18:25
about it and they're like, if it fucking works.
2:18:28
Trailing arm so shit dude. Yeah, I was like it's a trailing
2:18:31
arm. Yeah, yeah.
2:18:33
Interesting, dude. It's wild.
2:18:34
It's fast. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:18:36
I I know about the trailing arms.
2:18:38
I have a lot of friends with E36 that shut the fuck up about that
2:18:41
shit. Yo.
2:18:42
I got the trailing arms, man. We are.
2:18:45
Fast too they're. Fast as hell.
2:18:46
I I need to learn about all that shit.
2:18:48
It's just crazy. Hopefully soon.
2:18:51
When the sweet Sweet Lou from Club Lou's when they making a
2:18:54
return to English Town, I have the same question.
2:18:56
But I don't have a car right now, so I'm not really.
2:18:58
Soon enough. Yeah.
2:18:58
Yeah, we should probably legit plan something now that we're
2:19:03
all kind of like. On the same page a little bit.
2:19:05
That's how I'm feeling. I'm feeling like you guys are
2:19:07
like. Maybe 2024?
2:19:08
Yeah. OK, all right.
2:19:10
I need to get my car cranky's car is going to be done. 100%
2:19:13
Needs Are We the Fuck Up? I prefer to do it on like a
2:19:16
chill weekend. OK, that's fine.
2:19:17
Not like how. Not like East Coast Bash, not.
2:19:19
How like East Coast bash used to be?
2:19:21
The thing is, East Coast bash dude, I feel like.
2:19:23
It calmed down right? Well, The thing is like because
2:19:26
I was expecting it to well. It was like 1,000,000 degrees
2:19:28
every time. It's not like that anymore
2:19:30
because they do it on a different.
2:19:32
I thought I had a heat stroke. I don't know.
2:19:34
I mean, dude, if you came to ECB, it'd be cool, but if you
2:19:36
came to another one, it'd be just as.
2:19:38
Cool. Yeah, yeah.
2:19:38
So we'll figure it out. We could plan something out.
2:19:40
Maybe there'll be a faction one cuz I've been trying to.
2:19:43
Well, what we could do is you come, you come for an event and
2:19:47
then the next day on Sunday we maybe have a private day or some
2:19:49
shit. And that's what we're about.
2:19:51
Yeah, that's why it sounds like. More grilling and chilling and
2:19:54
some burning rubber, yeah. Exactly.
2:19:56
Some, yeah. What is your favorite thing
2:20:00
about drifting as it's evolved over the last 20 years?
2:20:03
Okay. Name still get to do it with the
2:20:07
Bros. Yeah, I mean, yeah, 100%.
2:20:09
No matter how much it changes, you get to pick who you want to
2:20:12
do it with and enjoy it with. So isn't that fucking awesome?
2:20:14
Yeah. Yeah, like.
2:20:15
Meeting new people like meeting new people that are just as
2:20:18
excited as I was about it when I first started, like.
2:20:21
Like giving someone a ride along that's never been in a drift
2:20:24
car. Like that's having those
2:20:25
experiences where you kind of take for granted just because
2:20:28
you don't think about it anymore.
2:20:29
Yeah, like that's the sick feeling.
2:20:32
And then having that conversation with somebody or I
2:20:35
don't know, just like the commonality of it, I guess.
2:20:37
Yeah, that was perfect answer that was from.
2:20:41
Sure. What?
2:20:42
Dude, you gotta make me read them.
2:20:43
Read them, Malcolm said To read them.
2:20:46
Fuck. Sure's daddy.
2:20:48
I don't know. Steve Scherzer.
2:20:49
OK. Yeah.
2:20:50
Yeah. That's Steve Scherzer.
2:20:51
Oh, he's got more questions for you.
2:20:53
Where do you think drifting in the US is right now at its peak
2:20:56
question mark? Still on the low, still on the
2:20:58
rise. Question mark.
2:21:00
Yeah, right. Where is it going to go, dude?
2:21:02
It's a great question. I mean, there's more and more
2:21:04
events every year, it seems like.
2:21:07
So, I mean, I think that's a good thing.
2:21:10
Yeah. And I mean, I think that helps,
2:21:13
man. I I guess keep the guy.
2:21:18
You know, there's so many different ideas of what drifting
2:21:20
should be like now. Yeah.
2:21:21
So I think that kind of helps people choose the path that they
2:21:24
want to go or at least give them the opportunity.
2:21:27
Yeah. So, like, I think it's good.
2:21:28
Yeah. You know.
2:21:30
Do you think do you think drifting's hit its peak in the
2:21:33
US? I don't, I don't think so.
2:21:35
I think it's still been, you know, I think I feel like right
2:21:37
now it's like exponentially getting larger.
2:21:40
You know, just I think the the reach from all the the social
2:21:44
media outlets has grown it a lot.
2:21:47
Yeah. And you know, that could be
2:21:49
this. The guys like that fly by night
2:21:51
and then are gone. Yeah.
2:21:52
But I I think it's still growing.
2:21:55
Yeah, I think it'll continue to grow.
2:21:57
I mean it it definitely could like plateau off, but like
2:22:00
either way like as long as you have like good people putting on
2:22:04
like. Good events and doing things
2:22:06
like, you know, Appalachia, like drifting in the mountains.
2:22:10
Or pushing the envelope a little.
2:22:11
Bit doing things that are like, you know, newish, not, yeah,
2:22:14
exactly. I think that's always going to
2:22:16
make it new, new and exciting and like as long as those things
2:22:20
are happening, like I I want to keep doing it.
2:22:23
Like I'll stop doing it when it no longer becomes fun to me.
2:22:26
And that hasn't happened yet. Yeah.
2:22:29
Thank you, because I don't want to get burnt out either.
2:22:33
Like fuck. Has seen the price of RX Rx's
2:22:37
Skyrocket affected how you race? I like that question.
2:22:41
Um, no. Because like, I bought it for
2:22:43
that reason. So like it has always been like
2:22:47
the thing that I want. It would be like buying I I keep
2:22:51
using skating analogy. That's fine.
2:22:53
That's fine. A lot, a lot of people.
2:22:54
People can relate. Yeah, but it's like one of those
2:22:56
things like I buy like a limited edition or like low press deck
2:23:00
or something or like. Certain shoes or something
2:23:02
that's like, no, no, no, I bought it for this reason.
2:23:05
I'm going to use it. I have so many memories in that
2:23:09
car. So I'm not just going to.
2:23:12
There's people out there that race Ferraris.
2:23:14
I'm not that guy. Yeah.
2:23:15
So you know what I'm saying. That's a great comparison.
2:23:18
Yeah, very. Fantastic comparison.
2:23:20
You can be the cool guy that races a Ferrari, or you can be
2:23:22
the fucking dude that goes to cars and coffee with it.
2:23:24
That's. Kind of wack.
2:23:26
So I'm gonna be the version of the Arc Seven guy that not
2:23:30
comparing the two together. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
2:23:32
Yeah. No, that's perfect.
2:23:33
I mean, that's you. Enjoy it.
2:23:36
It's like those people that buy cars and then they're like.
2:23:38
Yeah, I gotta stop. Driving and I'm putting a lot of
2:23:40
miles on it. It's like, well, didn't you
2:23:41
fucking buy that you're driving in?
2:23:43
The rain. It's like it's a fucking car.
2:23:44
I heard some, like, I think it was something some Boomer said,
2:23:47
which was actually hilarious. He was like, well, you wouldn't
2:23:49
just save your wife for the next guy, right?
2:23:55
That is perfect. I always tell people.
2:23:57
Well, damn. Fuck.
2:23:58
Now I feel like I'm not. I'm gonna stop saying that then,
2:24:02
but I always say like, you got a hot wife, you're not gonna fuck
2:24:05
her. Yeah, yeah, you're crazy.
2:24:06
Yeah, that's. I mean, that is similar.
2:24:09
That's what we're talking about here.
2:24:10
Like, yes. And then, like, I've had friends
2:24:12
that, like, they'll buy cars and that.
2:24:14
They'll get all these parts for them and like never put them on.
2:24:16
And then they'll be like, yeah, I don't know, I might sell.
2:24:18
The miles are getting high up there.
2:24:20
I'm like, dude, just fucking put the shit on the car, enjoy the
2:24:22
car. If you crash it, you crash it,
2:24:24
man. Like this you get one shot at
2:24:27
this like. Yeah, it's a lot of people.
2:24:28
I feel like they like the idea of it.
2:24:30
And like when I first met Derek, like I was like, OK, drifting
2:24:35
seems cool. Like I've done it on video
2:24:36
games. Like, visually, I think it looks
2:24:39
awesome. But like, let me go try this
2:24:41
out, because if I fucking hate it, then like, I'm going to do
2:24:43
some other shit. Yeah, I just happen to like it a
2:24:45
lot. Yeah, no, so, so few.
2:24:47
I feel like it's very rare that people drift and they're like,
2:24:49
yeah, that was fucking stupid. Right, that was.
2:24:52
We say that, but we're like, let's do stupid stuff again,
2:24:55
yeah? Yeah, it's like that was dumb.
2:24:58
I'm not doing that ever again. I haven't really heard any
2:25:01
anyone say that with drifting. But did you?
2:25:04
Did you guys think you'd be drifting this long when you
2:25:06
started? That's actually a good question
2:25:08
too. Where he's from.
2:25:10
Alex Cashman. The other one was from their
2:25:13
friend Z. Daddy sure sure is, Daddy.
2:25:17
Sure is, Daddy. I, you know, when you start at
2:25:20
1617, you don't really think that far in the future.
2:25:24
So like, you know, it was one of those things that was just a
2:25:30
exciting thing at the time where you like, you know, I feel like
2:25:34
it almost seems like something that you would get burned out on
2:25:38
in a way, it's. It's it's like one of those,
2:25:41
like excessive highs. Yeah.
2:25:44
Where it's like, OK, you do this, like this many times,
2:25:47
you're going to be like, well, I'm kind of over that was that
2:25:50
was enough. You know like you like you rise
2:25:52
like the some fancy roller coaster.
2:25:54
That's insane. You're like, wow, that was sick.
2:25:56
I'll do it two more times and then you don't do it ever again.
2:25:58
Yeah, yeah, that's a good comparison.
2:26:00
Especially the way we are with our cars and shit where it's
2:26:03
like. You got to make it really nice
2:26:05
every fucking time, or you want to keep up with it and then it's
2:26:07
like you fucking break your fucking bumper and you're like.
2:26:10
Well, I feel like that's. Part of the spend the money,
2:26:11
that's. Literally the journey though,
2:26:13
that you got to not well, if you're into if.
2:26:16
You're into it that much and you're like really, you know?
2:26:18
But at the same time, like I tell, I tell Carl and I tell
2:26:21
Malcolm all the time because Malcolm doesn't drift.
2:26:23
He just, he works at the. Shop, but he likes it.
2:26:25
Yeah, he loves it. But you let him drive my.
2:26:27
But he's smart. So he doesn't drift, but so he
2:26:30
sees it. He's like.
2:26:32
I can't believe this person's gonna pay this much money.
2:26:34
I'm like, I'm like how many times I gotta tell you, these
2:26:37
are drug addicts? Like, that's basically what it
2:26:40
is. It's not.
2:26:41
It's not like detrimental in the same way, but people are doing
2:26:45
reckless shit with. Money, yeah.
2:26:46
I mean, it's one of those things for me.
2:26:48
It's like I've definitely been to the like spot where I feel
2:26:50
like a little burn out and like I feel like it's definitely good
2:26:53
to like pull away a little bit, kind of like like.
2:26:58
Like Derek and I have definitely.
2:26:59
Just like said, everyone on our team, like our teammates, is
2:27:01
like, do not fuck your life up for this.
2:27:03
Like, this is fun. This is a great hobby.
2:27:07
Like there's so much community and camaraderie like we said
2:27:10
before, but like don't fuck up the rest of your life for this
2:27:13
one thing. Don't be taking out a bunch of
2:27:14
credit cards. Don't be like if you're if you
2:27:16
need to do something, grind, you know what I'm saying?
2:27:18
But like. That used to.
2:27:20
That's the fucking faction way, dude.
2:27:22
But like, at least at least have.
2:27:23
Like at least have a. You know what I'm saying?
2:27:25
Yeah, yeah, figure it out and like.
2:27:28
It's one of those, like, I guess to go back to the question is
2:27:31
like what Derek said, like we didn't plan on doing it this
2:27:35
long. But like, it doesn't surprise me
2:27:37
because I know like how like motivating we are and how much
2:27:42
our how motivated we are to do this and like how much we enjoy
2:27:45
it. So like, it just is like a
2:27:48
byproduct and of its own. Like, yeah, it's its own
2:27:52
monster, I guess, because, like. You know, it creates like
2:27:56
friendships and it's such a like fun feeling and all of these
2:27:58
things. Like, I mean, like for example,
2:28:00
like when Drift in D kind of turned into MDU.
2:28:06
Yeah. And it was like a essentially it
2:28:08
was a pro AM. Yeah.
2:28:09
And that was when like there was a, I think we're like in the
2:28:13
States, it kind of transitioned where everyone was trying to do
2:28:15
the pro am thing. That's when the cars were
2:28:17
getting insane. Yeah, that was definitely.
2:28:19
And when that was all happening, like I stepped away.
2:28:24
Yeah, we all pulled back. We all pulled out pretty much.
2:28:26
And we're kind of like. Yeah I remember because I mean
2:28:28
we we kind of fell off as far you know we're because it just
2:28:31
wasn't what and it wasn't like we were like we were putting our
2:28:34
foot down. Yeah we didn't we didn't have a
2:28:36
conversation about it. We just that we just naturally
2:28:39
kind of withdrew from what was going on and we we just weren't
2:28:42
a part of it and it was never even like talked about.
2:28:45
I don't think it just, it just naturally happened and then, you
2:28:48
know, and then we came back and we're still interested.
2:28:53
Yeah. And then we essentially put
2:28:55
together the team. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:28:57
And then got back into the group of things.
2:29:01
And then things were kind of changing because the proamp
2:29:05
stuff was fizzling away. It wasn't sustainable, not for
2:29:09
everybody. Obviously there's people that
2:29:10
are doing that and they're doing great things.
2:29:12
But for us personally, it was the thing that was just like,
2:29:15
okay, we're like. We're getting older.
2:29:17
Some of us have kids. Some of us are like buying
2:29:19
houses or college or like so many of these other like, like
2:29:23
variables that exist in our lives.
2:29:24
It's like, can we go like chase this, like pro dream to like
2:29:28
what? Like to travel the country and
2:29:31
like maybe get some cloud and like and some people have great
2:29:34
deals. But like, I don't know how many
2:29:36
people we've seen like GoPro AM and then now they could care
2:29:40
less about drifting because like.
2:29:43
Their dreams of becoming. They didn't win.
2:29:45
Drifting. Yeah.
2:29:46
Sorry, dude. You didn't win drifting.
2:29:47
Like maybe you approached it the wrong.
2:29:49
Fucking wind drifting. Is.
2:29:52
Crazy. I mean, dude, that's.
2:29:53
But that's happened a lot of guys like, yeah, there's a lot
2:29:55
of guys that, I mean, hell, there's names that were
2:30:00
successful in pro am drifting that now are no way off the map.
2:30:05
Yeah, I try to tell that to my friends too, but it's like, I
2:30:10
don't know some people. Can't let the dream die, it
2:30:14
seems like. You know what I mean?
2:30:14
Like, they just want it, which is fine.
2:30:16
Yeah. I don't know.
2:30:17
I mean, there's they want to do their avenues that they that
2:30:20
people haven't realized, You know, like that there's plenty
2:30:24
of dudes racing every weekend at a high level at their local
2:30:27
circle track. Yeah.
2:30:28
And they they're not. They're not every weekend.
2:30:30
Like, yeah, this is so I can get the NASCAR.
2:30:32
They know that that's not a reality.
2:30:35
So they do it because that's the the level of competition that
2:30:39
they belong at. Yeah.
2:30:40
And it's sustainable. And then that's how you have
2:30:43
fun. Yeah, because you're you're self
2:30:46
aware of where you belong. You know, yeah, there's younger
2:30:49
kids that start off, you know, carting and then there's the
2:30:52
midgets and the sprints and then they gradually get to ARCA and
2:30:55
then NASCAR or whatever. But like when you're middle-aged
2:30:59
and you're racing cars, like not everyone can afford to do it at
2:31:04
the highest level. And the problem with drifting is
2:31:06
is like that wasn't there were no levels, there were no
2:31:09
stepping stones. There was, there was essentially
2:31:11
pro AM and pro and that's like just one large step.
2:31:16
Yeah. And so.
2:31:18
But no one knew any other way. Yeah, yeah.
2:31:20
And now with things like Street League or other things where
2:31:23
it's like, hey, you know, this is sustainable because it's not
2:31:28
crazy expensive. Yeah, you can pull it off and
2:31:31
have a shit ton of fun with your friends and do it frequently.
2:31:36
And you don't have to be like this is going to get me to the
2:31:38
pro level. Yeah, because that it doesn't
2:31:40
need to happen, You know, it doesn't need to happen.
2:31:43
But at the same time, like if guys wanted to, they could use
2:31:45
that as a stepping stone to move up higher, yeah?
2:31:48
But my, my, my first like experience with, well, my first
2:31:51
first experience with Pro am, like actually seeing what's
2:31:55
going on was with Justin when he was doing US drifts like 2015
2:32:01
Sixteen and I did not. Like anything I was seeing, I
2:32:06
was like, OK, I was like, OK, so this is pro.
2:32:07
I don't know if it was pro AM, It was like, whatever.
2:32:09
It's one of the same thing. Yeah, it was one of those pro,
2:32:12
you know, amateur events and like we we go down there to
2:32:14
Virginia, this and that. You know, we were down there to
2:32:17
support him and whatnot. First thing I noticed once, once
2:32:20
I get there, no one's there. It's just the drivers.
2:32:23
I was like, OK, so what's your goal with this again?
2:32:27
Like you want to try to make money doing this?
2:32:29
No one gives a shit. Like, I I just didn't.
2:32:32
I was like shouldn't. People be here that way.
2:32:35
People want to use you as an advertisement tool because I
2:32:38
don't think they're going to want to do that if no one's even
2:32:40
coming to these events. You know, like it was always
2:32:42
something like that to me, where I'm like, you need people to
2:32:45
sponsor you. And if no one is at these
2:32:47
events, obviously nowadays it's a little different.
2:32:51
Yeah, not too. Different, but it's still got to
2:32:53
be eyes on the show. Exactly, yeah.
2:32:55
So once I saw that I was like, this shit's kind of stupid and
2:32:59
then obviously I come from club loose.
2:33:02
You know, Matt Petty preaches that shit forever.
2:33:04
Like, you know, pro drifting is stupid, this and that.
2:33:07
So yeah, he's one of the earliest dudes to preach that.
2:33:09
Yeah, to really realize that and see it for what it is.
2:33:12
And that's cuz he watched his friends fucking yeah do it.
2:33:14
And he watched some of his friends become the most.
2:33:17
Exactly. That's what I was gonna bring.
2:33:18
On Famous Ones, too, and he's still some of the.
2:33:21
Most decorated drivers in the United States come from that
2:33:23
region. Yeah.
2:33:24
And like, well, that's, you know, that's.
2:33:27
It doesn't work for everybody and you need to be like very
2:33:30
realistic with your goals and your ability, because there's a
2:33:33
lot of delusional people out there that for some reason think
2:33:37
that they need to be driving in bigger and different places.
2:33:40
Yeah, but that's not the case. They have that comp mentality,
2:33:45
which I respect and they have that thing.
2:33:47
It exists in Motorsports. There's a lot of Bros in
2:33:50
Motorsports as much as it is. You know, counterculture, like,
2:33:55
you know BMX or skating or motocross or all these things.
2:33:58
There's still like that competition that exists and it's
2:34:01
always going to. Same shit happen in
2:34:02
skateboarding. Yeah.
2:34:03
Yeah, 100%. Yeah, so.
2:34:05
Like. As negative as I'm being on
2:34:06
this, I want to circle back and make sure that I say all the,
2:34:10
like Street League stuff that you guys are doing and you guys
2:34:13
are giving an opportunity to people who can't go do the pro
2:34:16
am stuff. First of all, fucking awesome.
2:34:20
Yeah, I never thought of. I was about to say.
2:34:21
I never thought of it. That way, yeah.
2:34:24
Where it's like you don't have to be at the pro level to
2:34:29
compete I guess and like I could afford to compete in that.
2:34:33
And this is like when I saw this started happen, the first time I
2:34:37
experienced one of those types of events was Super D Yeah.
2:34:40
And I was kind of just throwing it.
2:34:41
It was like this is a comp. It's like okay, I guess we're
2:34:44
competing and I never did that. So I did like a couple runs and
2:34:47
I was like, yeah, I had a blast. I was like, that was fucking
2:34:49
awesome. Cool cars, cool layouts.
2:34:51
Yeah. You know what I'm saying?
2:34:52
Like it speaks to what I like about drifting.
2:34:55
Yeah, and like competition, as I was saying before, you know how
2:34:59
I feel about comp driving. And then I did that and I was
2:35:02
like, fuck, man, I was like, these companies need to be
2:35:06
watching this shit. Yeah, Sponsoring.
2:35:08
Well, that's the thing. There's no rule that says like
2:35:11
pro drifting has to be 1200 horsepower and and monster truck
2:35:16
stuff like there's no there's there's pro Moto GP racing 300CC
2:35:21
bikes, so like they're not all thousand CC bikes at the pro
2:35:25
level. There's small bike pro stuff
2:35:28
too, so there's nothing to say that, like pro drifting can't be
2:35:31
at a street league level, yeah. You know, I feel like that would
2:35:33
be more enjoyable for a lot of people to.
2:35:34
Watch and that's that's exactly my point.
2:35:36
Like people, a lot of people, especially grass grassroots
2:35:39
guys, they want to see that stuff.
2:35:41
Yeah, they don't really want to drive hours away to watch a
2:35:45
bunch of people with their parents money doing Pro Am.
2:35:48
Like they because they can relate.
2:35:49
A lot of guys, a lot of guys in the stands can relate, you know,
2:35:52
to, yeah, you know, like you see like there's like Bagger racing.
2:35:57
You do? Yeah.
2:35:57
I've been watching that show and it's like, those aren't the
2:35:59
best. They're insane, don't get me
2:36:01
wrong, but like, those aren't the best fastest bikes.
2:36:03
They're horrible. They don't make much sense.
2:36:05
But people eat it now, yeah, and it's because it's cool and like
2:36:08
they're those are pro guys racing those things.
2:36:10
They're not the quickest and fastest bikes, but they're super
2:36:14
fun to watch. Yeah, I wonder if there's going
2:36:15
to be an Ave. for that. Imagine there is right now.
2:36:18
It's happening right now because.
2:36:20
Like you guys are a part of it. Like imagine that like.
2:36:23
What the fuck? I mean, it's happening to the
2:36:24
Front St. guys too, Like, literally as we speak.
2:36:26
Like there's companies that are reaching out and they're finally
2:36:30
getting to where they wanted to get to, like Josh and all them.
2:36:34
So like we're finally watching it happen.
2:36:36
But yeah, I don't know. It's just.
2:36:38
Pretty awesome. I feel like it's good for the
2:36:40
culture in that situation. You know what I'm saying?
2:36:41
Like, it's not just this idea of how much money you can spend to
2:36:45
do this. It becomes we keep saying
2:36:47
sustainability, but like it's. It lets you drive for 10 plus
2:36:51
years. It lets you drive for 15 plus
2:36:52
years, you know. And especially at like the level
2:36:54
they want to push it to, like if they want to like me and Carl
2:36:57
were talking about on the way here, like I'm, I'm explaining
2:36:59
like I'm like, yeah, you can like try to get sponsors and
2:37:01
stuff. Literally on the way here.
2:37:04
Yeah or or you could do cuz I was explaining to him I was like
2:37:07
I'm not really into that shit. I would rather just like be able
2:37:10
to do whatever I want to do if someone wants to give me parts
2:37:13
or something and like I run a sticker and it works out cool.
2:37:16
If it makes sense, it makes. Sense it makes yeah, if it makes
2:37:18
sense, it makes sense. But like.
2:37:19
The kind of driving that they're doing where they want to travel,
2:37:22
they want to go everywhere they want to go every track they want
2:37:24
to, they want to do like every event.
2:37:26
It's like, yeah, then you're probably going to need someone
2:37:29
to start paying for it, you know what I mean?
2:37:31
Absolutely. Yeah.
2:37:32
I guess it depends on what's going on.
2:37:34
But I'm just, like I said, I'm glad that events like those
2:37:37
street league and everything like companies are finally
2:37:41
starting to see the light and they're like, oh, so maybe we
2:37:43
should fucking throw them some money instead of the pro Am guys
2:37:46
that have no spectators at the event.
2:37:48
Like, yeah, it still happens that those pro events are
2:37:53
getting low registration numbers.
2:37:56
And yeah, even lower spectator dude, it was.
2:37:59
I'll never forget that moment where I'm just like, how does
2:38:02
this make any fucking sense? Like you're basically gambling.
2:38:04
It's like, yeah, I might get my pro One card or whatever the
2:38:07
fuck, but like or or I won't and I'll just.
2:38:10
Keep doing this over and over and over, but you look around
2:38:12
the and have a bad time at events, yeah?
2:38:15
Because you're just stressing yourself out for nothing.
2:38:17
Get a handful of laps and be just mostly aggravated the
2:38:21
whole. Yeah.
2:38:22
And then if you do make it like, yeah, it's weird.
2:38:25
But to each other on like what you said, Jesus Christ, there's
2:38:29
a lot of questions. Will you guys post up more?
2:38:32
Sorry, that was for us. I usually try to ignore these
2:38:34
ones. No, we won't.
2:38:38
How does Fdrx 7 feel compared to an S chassis when drifting?
2:38:42
That's a question I would like to know the answer.
2:38:44
To better I'm just. No, I just, I feel like there's
2:38:48
a lot like just the forward acceleration, definitely.
2:38:53
I wouldn't say like if like is a angle heavy chassis like versus
2:38:59
an S chassis where I feel like it naturally has angle.
2:39:01
It feels and then. Yeah, yeah, like it.
2:39:04
Always feels like it's just propelling you forward
2:39:07
constantly. So, like, I mean, and Derek,
2:39:09
he's sliding, you know, his FD like quite a bit.
2:39:12
So I feel like he could probably even answer this better, just
2:39:14
because he has a, I don't know, better explanation.
2:39:17
I think the easiest way to explain it this is exaggeration,
2:39:21
but I feel like an S chassis pivots right behind the front
2:39:26
wheels, whereas like an Arc 7 FC and FD pivot more, I'd say like
2:39:32
center of the wheelbase. Yeah, at the driver, Okay.
2:39:35
So like the way the car pivots back and forth, I feel like it's
2:39:39
pushed back a decent amount. Front wheels is a bit of an
2:39:42
exaggeration for an S chassis, but where the car rotates.
2:39:46
Yeah, I kind of get farther and farther towards the rear wheels.
2:39:48
I have to drive one of these fucking things.
2:39:50
Like I wanna see what it's like. When I went to the SO, less of a
2:39:54
fishtail motion and more of almost just like a. 4 wheel
2:39:57
slide. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay.
2:40:00
And like, it was definitely a big learning curve for me.
2:40:03
Like going from a Nest chassis to I like it felt so challenging
2:40:07
and scary because I had to keep my foot in it.
2:40:10
Yeah, just to keep it in power and like there being like a lack
2:40:13
of like torque and stuff. So, like, to me it was just like
2:40:17
such a challenge. Like I've hopped in a couple
2:40:19
different cars and I was like, this is a lot of fun.
2:40:21
I feel like I could like do pretty well in this car.
2:40:23
Yeah, but then going to my car, it's always felt like something
2:40:27
that was challenging me. Always.
2:40:29
Would you guys compare it to Miata?
2:40:30
I'd. Say yeah, Okay, yeah, definitely
2:40:34
okay, yeah. Who asked that question?
2:40:39
W have asked that question to Derek.
2:40:46
How was your Toyota Sequoia experience?
2:40:48
What So? Here we go.
2:40:52
Yeah. Wait.
2:40:52
He loves Toyota sequoias. Bro, they good bang for your
2:40:55
buck. He loves them good.
2:40:57
Bang for your buck. Big shout out to Sugar, Sugar
2:41:00
and Seketh last weekend when I had the gearbox.
2:41:03
Seketh Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait.
2:41:05
He messages me about Sequoia stuff recently.
2:41:08
That's my dog. For real.
2:41:09
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's crazy.
2:41:11
I can find him as funny as I do so.
2:41:14
So last weekend I drove down to Kentucky and I didn't have a
2:41:19
support vehicle, so he lent me his Sequoia to drive all the way
2:41:24
back to Indy to get the trans. And then.
2:41:26
All the way back like the homie, like big shout out to.
2:41:30
That's like they got new generation guys.
2:41:32
Yeah, because he was. That's cool.
2:41:34
What? Is he?
2:41:35
He's the new next. Yeah, I say, yeah, yeah, they're
2:41:38
younger. They're they're like, they're
2:41:39
like frat Bros. They're probably crushing beers
2:41:41
right now, working on working. On their arts, at the cars.
2:41:44
At BRZ, BRZ, whatever he was, he was, he messaged me and asked
2:41:49
me, yo, how do you get your car on the trailer?
2:41:52
Because it's low and I'm renting A UHAUL.
2:41:54
I know you rent uhauls and I was like, sometimes I just slap that
2:41:58
shit on there like mad hard. And it's not good for the car,
2:42:02
but it's what I got to do. But I told him, like, you know,
2:42:04
get some wood. Lots of wood.
2:42:05
That's so crazy. What the fuck?
2:42:08
Yeah, that was sugar. Sugar.
2:42:09
So. Yeah.
2:42:12
Jordan from Do you guys remember Jordan from a team called
2:42:15
Magnificent from the Northeast? It was a white S13, I believe,
2:42:22
and it was one other guy too. I forget his name.
2:42:25
We were. I just bring it up because he
2:42:26
asked a question. But we were talking about the
2:42:27
other day on the Lock City pod. Were they like?
2:42:31
So not the dudes that were, like, wild as hell back in the
2:42:34
day. Or maybe because he's talking
2:42:35
about, he said. Not a question, but watching you
2:42:38
guys pull up to ECB with the GTO towing in 86 was legendary.
2:42:42
What? His tongue?
2:42:43
Yeah, flat toe. He was GTO.
2:42:47
The flat toe was 8/6. That must have been the same
2:42:49
event I was at. But like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:42:52
So Michael Tong, yeah, his his tow vehicle was a GTO at the
2:42:56
time. What kind of GTO?
2:42:57
Like one of those newer ones? Yeah, like the 2000, the one
2:43:00
that. Has a LS2, yeah.
2:43:02
Hey man, I mean, the engine can do it.
2:43:04
Yeah, so yeah, he flat toed his hotchie all around with that
2:43:07
thing. That's sick.
2:43:08
It was. Pretty wild look, yo.
2:43:10
More you guys need to do that shit, all right?
2:43:12
I. Don't know if that's allowed in
2:43:14
New Jersey. Probably can do that shit more.
2:43:16
You guys gonna do some shit like that?
2:43:17
That's cool. I mean, we're good, man.
2:43:24
We don't need to ask all these. I I always end it with this.
2:43:28
Like, yeah, the future of breaking.
2:43:31
Like, you know, I feel like I know the answer already because
2:43:33
you guys are just going to keep doing what you guys are doing,
2:43:36
but what do you see the future of breaking being?
2:43:40
Hopefully chilling. More grilling.
2:43:43
Yes, some. Tired.
2:43:45
Yeah, yeah. Not to not to give you guys any
2:43:50
more praise than I probably already have on here, but I just
2:43:53
want to say thank you for having cool cars.
2:43:55
Thank you for coming out to English Town back then because I
2:43:59
I can speak for myself, but I can probably speak for the Front
2:44:02
St. guys too. That you you guys probably
2:44:04
inspired a lot of us, so I appreciate that.
2:44:07
And being here, dude, like we we mentioned something earlier and
2:44:10
it kind of resonated with me, just cuz I'm not like that next
2:44:14
next Gen. like young. But again, I'm still kind of.
2:44:18
I dipped my toes in it for so many years and then now I'm
2:44:20
like, kind of like, all right, let this shit rip now, Like,
2:44:23
yeah, yeah, well, let's get fully immersive in it.
2:44:25
And meeting people like you and and DK and being here in places
2:44:30
like this and being able to have conversations like these, it's
2:44:32
like, that's the shit where I'm gonna go home.
2:44:35
And now I'm gonna be like, all right, this is what I got to do
2:44:39
now. Like, I'm gonna do this.
2:44:40
This is very motivated, right? I think you just gotta, like,
2:44:42
realize like there's no. There's no timeline.
2:44:45
Yeah. So, like, drifting isn't going
2:44:47
anywhere. Yeah, just.
2:44:48
Chill and like do it when you need to or like I feel.
2:44:50
Like, I was worried that I was just like, I don't know, I was
2:44:53
always where I I went to high school in places where, like,
2:44:56
you're working on the car and they're like, he's into cars.
2:45:00
Like, it's not like it wasn't the cool thing where I went to
2:45:03
school. Say so like I was the only one
2:45:04
in the. Yeah, I was just like, OK, like,
2:45:07
I guess that's not really cool. And then I meet people like
2:45:10
Frankie, like Chris, and I'm like, wait, this is actually
2:45:13
kind of cool? No, I'm just like.
2:45:15
Yeah, but I think you'll do it whether someone thinks it's
2:45:18
cool. Or not.
2:45:19
Yeah, I love it. If you like doing it, you're
2:45:21
gonna do it no matter what. Even like a styling idea or
2:45:24
something with your car. Like, as much as I want myself
2:45:28
to think it's cool, like I put something on, I'm like, that
2:45:31
shit is it? Yeah.
2:45:33
Someone else doesn't like it. That's cool.
2:45:35
Yeah, low key. You probably have shitty taste.
2:45:39
But I'm gonna be like, for real. But it might be very super
2:45:43
valid. And they'd be like, that sucks.
2:45:44
I'm like, all right, that's cool, but I like it a lot.
2:45:46
But it's also like, it's been one of those things where so
2:45:49
many people have done it so well before us, and I'm trying to pay
2:45:54
homage to the people that motivated me.
2:45:57
Yeah. And I wanted to continue to pass
2:46:00
that torch because what I think is important about it, I would
2:46:03
like someone else to maybe take that into consideration.
2:46:07
Yeah, for sure, dude. Yeah, like maybe you go to a
2:46:09
track day one time and you see a car that you don't even it
2:46:12
happens. I mean, you don't even know the
2:46:13
guy. You've never seen it before and
2:46:14
you're like, holy shit fuck yeah dude, I love that.
2:46:16
Seeing a young kid and like a sick period like styled car, it
2:46:22
doesn't even have to be period. But just like everything works,
2:46:25
and as a young ass kid and I was like, you thought about
2:46:27
everything that you put on that car and you're driving the shit
2:46:29
out of it. Drifting is in a good place,
2:46:32
yeah. Yeah, I mean, if it if you can
2:46:34
help influence, you know, just someone to where it's like if
2:46:38
you just see a random. I mean, think about how excited
2:46:41
we still get to see like a random cool car that, you know,
2:46:46
like and it's like, damn, I'm really oh, and it's like, oh,
2:46:49
that kid's only like 20 years old, you know, it's like, yeah,
2:46:53
that's that. You know, maybe it wasn't
2:46:55
because you did what you were doing at this age, but like, it
2:46:58
could have. Down that line helped someone
2:47:01
else like get into something like.
2:47:03
That, yeah. Yeah, damn.
2:47:04
Well, thank you guys so much. Yeah.
2:47:06
You have any other words? No.
2:47:08
You guys have any other words you'd like to share or Thanks?
2:47:11
Plug yourself or yeah, yeah. It's a good time.
2:47:13
I wish we could have got like the Taylor Swift stuff like.
2:47:16
There's not a lot, dude. Everybody knows Frankie's A
2:47:18
swiffy, yeah. Well, you a Swiffy DK, said the
2:47:21
new album Slap. Yeah, so that.
2:47:23
Shocked me a little bit. Yeah, that shocked me a little
2:47:25
bit. Yeah, because you know.
2:47:27
Yeah, but that's what happens. Do we do these podcasts and like
2:47:30
if we talk beforehand? We should have just been rolling
2:47:32
mics. Yeah, yeah, like.
2:47:35
Happens every fucking. I would say this is probably the
2:47:37
longest we talk to anyone before we did the podcast right.
2:47:40
Because we were chilling, man. We had brats and everything you
2:47:42
had. Chips and shit.
2:47:43
So fuck, that's. Thanks to my wife, yeah.
2:47:48
Sandra, Yes. Thank you dude.
2:47:50
She's the girl master around here.
2:47:51
Yeah, yeah. All of a sudden there was brats
2:47:53
coming out. I was like, when did you cook
2:47:55
these? Like, yeah.
2:47:57
But they'll be. There'll be more.
2:47:59
Yeah, episodes. Hopefully when you guys get over
2:48:01
to E Town we'll we'll have a party.
2:48:02
Or some 100% if you guys come. Out there, we're doing this
2:48:05
again. I we, I like to make, if we
2:48:07
travel like make a thing about it like.
2:48:10
Of course. Like to make sure we're just not
2:48:12
like radar run there. Burn rubber head back home.
2:48:16
No, no. No, no.
2:48:17
Yeah. I mean, as you can see, we like
2:48:18
to do. This chilling and relaxing and
2:48:20
like like the track day is more like hanging out.
2:48:24
Yeah, it's just vacation for us at this point.
2:48:26
Yeah, yeah dude. I I mean, I didn't mean to put
2:48:29
numbers, but when you said 16, I was like damn, 2 decades, like 2
2:48:35
decades worth of driving and drifting and fuck.
2:48:39
That's pretty awesome. That's fucking wild.
2:48:41
That's crazy. Goes fast.
2:48:43
Like, yeah. Yeah.
2:48:44
God damn. Man, it goes faster.
2:48:46
You don't have a car on the road too?
2:48:48
I'm getting scared. All right, well, on that note,
2:48:52
we're going to end this one and I hope you guys enjoyed it.
2:48:54
Make sure you check out team breaking.
2:48:56
We'll have your guys's handles in the in the show notes and
2:48:59
then Street League. What is the Instagram for that?
2:49:03
That's your street adrift, Andy. Yeah, and then Street League
2:49:07
doesn't have its own handle. All right, cool.
2:49:09
All right, guys, check those things out and let us know if
2:49:12
you like this podcast. Yeah, and give us a review.
2:49:15
Bye. Thank you.
2:49:18
Thanks for listening to this episode of the podcast guys.
2:49:21
This is episode one of four from our final bout journey.
2:49:24
On the next episode we're going to have Josh from Proceed.
2:49:27
We did that podcast right before we went to final bout and it was
2:49:30
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2:49:32
Keep an eye out for it. And also remember we have a shop
2:49:36
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2:50:00
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2:50:05
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2:50:18
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2:50:21
breaking. I can't thank you guys enough.
2:50:24
This was a pretty important episode for me.
2:50:26
I've always wanted to talk to you guys and you know it.
2:50:29
You guys lived up to my expectations.
2:50:31
So I appreciate it. I hope you can all drift
2:50:33
together someday soon.