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- Oliver: Photovoltaik on the one-family house. Everyone that and I think the economy and sensibility have also more than once when I around and look at the roofs. Most of the is by the increasing self-consumption, otherwise very high and rising electricity costs. But how is that actually with more family houses? How do rental power models and how complicated is that in the end? Today I Florian Barth's Jaga the podcast and he will all Hello Florian, I the intro that the topic of is driven by the consumption of Now you dealing with the renovation of several houses and you also told that photovoltaic can be an interesting building block. Yes, hello Oliver. Exactly, we had in 2025. Accordingly, became much easier and more to the area of meter power. It's not just about pure rental objects, but also residential property communities. Can the whole thing interesting? I'd that in a single-family house, as you said, it's standard. In the not big difference in a multi-family house. We have a photovoltaic cover on the roof, the storage in the basement, and then the magic What do we to achieve today? I'd say we want to sure that the the multi-family house, or the resident of a community understands that it makes them. Then maybe me what has changed specifically. You just about a change What's different We have a change in the with power plants. For example, house on a property that photovoltaic system up 100 kW peak is relatively useful and easy to implement. Then we have the advantage that you currently no longer part of power plant, which was very complex and to For the normal family house owner, is now much easier to produce and tenants or in the WG. distribute or sell. And technically, it's also much easier to So means, not like you might know that you need a big company that you all these calculations at the year, but I can call with a push of or even automatically my rent available. But then I a software or an provider that that in end. Exactly. That's why it's very important to it briefly or to to us. because there are lot of insulators, companies that photovoltaic systems, that partly less involved. We, like all our professional partners, have at several craft companies and looked at the systems behind and in our opinion, we best suppliers in Germany that do and also completely. That means several revenue points. We have the possibility, as we all know, that the electricity comes from the roof and is directly to the tenant or distributed in the apartment property company. But there are also many other things, for example the dynamic electricity tariff. Most people already but it's just a small piece of several pieces that can put together so that the return increases Let's say we decide to rent a multi-family house, also directly for a photovoltaic system. How does this work exactly? How do I the electricity to my tenants? What do I in advance to this work? So basically, of course, we have to check whether the roof be or not. That's of clear. Then course electrically. I'll we have to the entire electricity to the counter cabinet area in 2025. So we two large columns The one column is the community building supply. So everyone stays. With his electricity provider and after that, the photovoltaic fed in and counted. That's like what we don't do, but we're more the rental power sector. That means photovoltaic current and residual current. That we have two power contracts, one of the photovoltaic current and one of the residual current that you from one provider, because we can't reach 100 % autonomy Accordingly, we still the power contract, which is ultimately one to one. Okay, but how do I my rent on board now? He has it off in end. has to buy The goal is to the thing attractive for the tenant so that he can take That's not hard The tenant gets a much cheaper power price. If we look at the market we at average of 36 cents per kilowatt hour. We can much cheaper with the photovoltaic system and still remain a very high economic area or high returns. We're little bit about measuring concept 1. That means all counters are exchanged. are no longer the property of the net operator. means the high basic fees are gone. So the 15 euros that the rental currently pays monthly are usually by a third. That means he already an immediate savings plus the electricity purchase. Usually, most rental tenants are currently 25 cents, who built a rental power supply with which is of course much more attractive for the tenants. And it's also very cool to the electricity from your own roof, you have to say. Exactly, of course. We can the time something around and not the electricity over several routes, but can directly from the roof. Now you just said that's measuring concept 1, then I assume there is another concept. What is that then? Exactly, there is another one, speak, bilancially, which in end I have to something a little different that means I will not the counters, but the basic fees remain The is more at the because the electrical costs are cheaper. The is that the license pages are much longer, because the power provider should or the city offices, since 2025, since we the legislation change. But facto the software is simply not there yet. There are small cities that this via Excel tables, which of course cannot the But that means... that I the photovoltaic system a little than the owner of On the other hand, don't at the start. That it's few months. And in my opinion, actually higher costs than if I more at for the converter cabinet, for example, which we then need a SQ1, which we for financial year. So 25 cents is good, the basic fee sounds good. I think say that the economy for a tenant is relatively fast. Or you can relatively quickly. But how does a tenant model change the economy of a renovation from the point landlord or the owner? Because he has to the He has to something of it. Basically, that the most difficult That we the landlord that these rentals are correct, because they very high. So you're actually talking about housing units with five apartments from the upholstery. because the return is relatively the same. We usually about a return of 8 to 15 percent. It can't be there because we have accompanying costs. This renovation, possibly the electrical renovation, depending on how I it, whether I it bilancially or according to concept 1. Many owners fear additional complexity. You said you have to explain How can this terms of renovation with the subject of photovoltaic? In most parts of Germany have the duty for roof renovation. So if the roof is renovated, the photovoltaic system should In the family house area, it's basically just guardrail, in my opinion, to the the family house that it you a good return. Otherwise, of if the electrical system is renovated, it may make sense because I costs anyway. If I to a advertising pump ... because I have even more side costs in field of electricity, which my rental power concept. What happens in practice if not all tenants want the rental power? Is that economic problem? Is it an organizational problem? does it matter if you a certain quota? What you at? Yes, so it's not problem all. Except of course, have ten housing units and nine don't want to But then should maybe think why they don't to participate. I didn't attractively enough or put right, but we can help But otherwise, doesn't for those who don't want If we it S-Concert 1, for example, rent should and there is a new and wants to then it's just a technical detail on the computer for the appropriate driver. There are only private reasons why wouldn't in the rental electricity as a rent. Where do you the biggest mistakes in the combination of sanitation and electricity? Is it similar to the one-family house or where do you see the hurdles that still the head that you should least deal Yes, is a bit different from the one-family house, at least in terms of dimensioning. There was a long time when many said, yes, build a 10 kW power plant with a 10 kW storage, which was not always right, but least it didn't hurt With a power model, is meaningful to look that we the electricity demand and do overproduction. We sell the electricity in the stock exchange and not through the classic supply and but basically it is still more to the electricity directly to the tenant. Otherwise, as I said it is of important to the right solar panel, because here just much more components are involved, also in the technical sense. Of course, I like to it network-based work. In fact, about the fact battery that I have offers network-based. that I battery to my network operator so that can access when he to balance So if he too much power, could something to my battery. If he too little power, could something out These certificates are end treated as CO2 certificates on the stock market, as you know But there are incredibly many, many different points that intersect, as you may have That's it's up us. We have the right partners who have a comprehensive concept. Now we have one more topic. You mentioned in previous interview. It was about photovoltaic feed-in. We can briefly. Is it the discussion whether it falls or not? Does this an influence on the profitability of such a rental power plant? Or how would you say No, don't have responsibility profitability if it falls because we usually to the stock market and the whole thing at the stock market. It used very complicated and exhausting for the photovoltaic operator or if you to a company, now it's relatively easy. It's bundled with one provider. You hardly to about And it's much better than the state's food tax exemption. ⁓ A few words from me My name is Michael Suhr. am the founder and manager of Reneva. We Reneva also know how complex energy repairs are today. Full of craft calendar, countless technical possibilities and a driving jungle that many owners rather brake than motivate. This where we start. We connect energy management, qualified craft industries and digital processes to a clearly structured system. For your budget, we develop the best possible repairs for your real estate. We you highest possible funding and support you from the initial analysis to the implementation with only one permanent contact partner. If you want to know what your estate more then start the first step now. Visit us at Renewadie and arrange an unconditional consultation.