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POISON PLOT: DID CHEATING HUBBY POISON WIFE & DAUGHTER, 10, WITH EYE DROPS FOR $250K LIFE INSURANCE? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A poison plot.
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Speaker 2: Did a cheating paramedic poison his wife and his little
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Speaker 2: daughter just ten years old? With eyedrops motive a nearly
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Speaker 2: quarter million dollar life insurance payout. I'm Nancy Grace. This
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Speaker 2: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 3: A paramedic comes home from a walk to find his
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Speaker 3: wife slumped over the side of their couch. Then he
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Speaker 3: says he was working on the computer when he noticed
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Speaker 3: her slumped over. Why the changing stories.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I believe I would notice exactly when I observed
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Speaker 2: my husband slumped over.
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Speaker 1: Guys with me an all star panel.
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Speaker 2: But first I'm going to go straight out to investigative
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Speaker 2: reporter with Queens City News GESSS dot com Derek Dellinger. Derek,
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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Okay, I want to
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Speaker 2: take this very very slowly so I can make sure
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Speaker 2: I understand the facts. The day that the wife was
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Speaker 2: observed slumping over, and I'm talking about thirty two year
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Speaker 2: old Stacy Hansucker, Explain to me what happened leading up
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Speaker 2: to the nine to one one call.
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Speaker 4: Well, what happened leading up to ninety one one call
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Speaker 4: is something that we've been working on at least over
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Speaker 4: the last several years with this case. What we can
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Speaker 4: tell you, though, is, excuse.
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Speaker 2: Me, Derek, excuse me, excuse me, yes, Derek, yes. You know,
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Speaker 2: when I put people on the witness stand and I
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Speaker 2: ask a direct question, I expect to direct answer.
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Speaker 1: But let me understand what you just said.
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Speaker 2: Is it not clear, and you've been investigating this for
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Speaker 2: some time, is it not clear what led up to
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Speaker 2: the husband seeing the wife stay slumped over? Because you know,
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Speaker 2: in my world, I say, hey, when did you see
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Speaker 2: your wife slumped over? And the husband would say, right
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Speaker 2: when I got back from jogging, I saw her. So
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Speaker 2: even now the water is muddy. Okay, all right, start
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Speaker 2: at the top again.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
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Speaker 2: I just had to understand that we don't really know.
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Speaker 2: I've got a problem with that.
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Speaker 1: Go ahead.
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Speaker 4: That's something that we've still been trying to figure out
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Speaker 4: over the last five or six years associated with this case.
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Speaker 4: The thing about it is, though, is that we know,
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Speaker 4: at least leading up to some of what was happening here,
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Speaker 4: that there was some sort of heart issue that Stacy
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Speaker 4: Huntsucker had. The heart issue still unclear as to what
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Speaker 4: exactly was going on. We know that she was having
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Speaker 4: some issues trying to get around, she was having some lightheadness,
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Speaker 4: but the fact that she was found slumped over there
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Speaker 4: was a sign of something that was going wrong and
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Speaker 4: that eventually led to her eventual death as a result,
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Speaker 4: At least at the time, it was considered the death
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Speaker 4: of a heart attack.
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Speaker 1: Hold on with me right now.
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Speaker 2: A renowned medical examiner, toxicologist, pathologist of your treatment expert.
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Speaker 2: He's the author of American Narcan and he certainly put
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Speaker 2: his money where his mouth is creating a mobile unit
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Speaker 2: to travel the country fighting opioid addiction. I'm talking about
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Speaker 2: none other than doctor William Moroney.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Moroney, thank.
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Speaker 2: You for joining us in between all the autopsies and
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Speaker 2: other work you're doing. Doctor Moroney, I understand from my
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Speaker 2: own investigation that Stacy had developed.
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Speaker 1: Some sort of a heart issue.
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Speaker 2: I've been told after the birth of one of her daughters.
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Speaker 2: What could that have been, because it had not manifested
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Speaker 2: prior to delivering one of the daughters.
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Speaker 5: If it was real, if it was real pathology, it
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Speaker 5: could have been an atrial fibrillation that's irregular, irregular, irregular.
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Speaker 6: Heartbeats, or it could have been anything that.
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Speaker 5: Caused her to lose consciousness that lowered her blood pressure
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Speaker 5: if it was natural, But if she was poisoned, then
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Speaker 5: it's the medicine or the drug that made her feel
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Speaker 5: this way, and eventually the drug gave.
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Speaker 6: Her the heart attack.
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Speaker 5: And that's what everybody's really focused on here, is that
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Speaker 5: this man poisoned her. So can you tell a difference
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Speaker 5: between a poisoned heart, a heart attack, or some manifestation
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Speaker 5: after birth? The most common thing after birth is some
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Speaker 5: women have thyroid problems because the thyroid explodes and kicks
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Speaker 5: in and it gets on steroids and it grows to
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Speaker 5: compensate for the birth of the baby, and then after
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Speaker 5: the delivery, the thyroid has to shrink. The thyroid is
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Speaker 5: in control of the heart.
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Speaker 2: Dr Maroney, Wait a minute, you've just told me so
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Speaker 2: many things I don't know. I didn't know that happens
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Speaker 2: every time I talk to you. So you just said
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Speaker 2: the thyroid controls the heart. Did you just say that?
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Speaker 5: Yes, how the thyroid, It makes the heart beat faster, stronger, slower,
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Speaker 5: It controls all the metabolism in the heart, and after birth,
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Speaker 5: it's very common before forty years old that women that
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Speaker 5: have multiple babies have thyroid problems, and we can see
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Speaker 5: that maybe twenty percent, twenty five percent, but there's underlying
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Speaker 5: pathology in the heart that you can say, well, her
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Speaker 5: mother had this problem, her aunt had this problem, her sister,
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Speaker 5: so you.
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Speaker 6: Know it's coming. So it's really not a surprise.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Browney.
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Speaker 2: I'm seeing a picture of her, this beautiful young bride,
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Speaker 2: just thirty two years old, to gorgeous daughters, Piper and Willow.
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Speaker 1: She's thirty two, she was running a race.
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Speaker 2: How does she have a heart problem and she's an athlete,
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Speaker 2: you know. Okay, I'm having a horror flashback to everybody
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Speaker 2: knows about Caltmam Laurie Valo and the so called prophet
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Speaker 2: husband of hers, Chad day Bel his wife, who was
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Speaker 2: healthy as a horse, would run marathons, you name it,
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Speaker 2: and then killed over in the middle of the night
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Speaker 2: from what a heart attack? Okay, this is giving me
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Speaker 2: de ja vous, But Tammy day Bell is for another day.
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Speaker 2: Let me get back to Stacy Hunsucker. So you're saying,
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Speaker 2: doctor William Marony that it could be a heart problem
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Speaker 2: that often occurs when women give birth and it affects
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Speaker 2: their thyroid. THYROI control's heart, But let me ask you.
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Speaker 2: This is a yes no, Doctor William Marony. If she
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Speaker 2: had been administered some type of poison, you are saying
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Speaker 2: that that poison could have also caused a heart attack.
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Speaker 1: That's a yes no.
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Speaker 6: Yes, it looks the same exactly.
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Speaker 1: I knew you couldn't do it in one word.
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Speaker 2: Okay, but what you just said absolutely correct. It looks
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Speaker 2: just the same as you're hearing, doctor William Maroney, joining
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Speaker 2: US medical examiner and toxicologists pathologist as well, listen to this.
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Speaker 7: Joshua Hunsucker calls nine to one one when he finds
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Speaker 7: his wife Stacy, unconscious, slumped over the arm of their couch.
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Speaker 7: Even though the thirty two year old is rushed to
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Speaker 7: the hospital, Stacy dies of what looks like a heart attack.
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Speaker 7: Stacy Huntsucker did have a history of heart issues and
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Speaker 7: used a pacemaker since she was hospitalized after the birth
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Speaker 7: of their second daughter.
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Speaker 2: Does that shed any line on it, doctor William Maroney,
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Speaker 2: The fact that she was using a pacemaker since the
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Speaker 2: birth of the second daughter.
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Speaker 5: Yes, that goes exactly to what I said about the irregular,
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Speaker 5: irregular heart beats. That's very, very specific for a heart
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Speaker 5: condition that we call atrial fibrillation flutter, and that means
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Speaker 5: the heart is not pumping in sequence so that it
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Speaker 5: puts pressure and oxygen in the rest of the body.
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Speaker 5: Atrial Fibrillation means the heart shakes and it quivers and
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Speaker 5: it doesn't deliver physiologically appropriate beats and pressure. Atrial fibrillation
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Speaker 5: is corrected with a pacemaker, so they do.
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Speaker 1: Sati fibrillation the same as DFIB.
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Speaker 5: DEFIB is what you do to take people out of
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Speaker 5: atrial fibrillation.
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Speaker 6: That's the one time.
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Speaker 5: Shock, but atrial fibrillation is the pathological condition. And sometimes
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Speaker 5: after delivery because of thyroid the heart just starts the irregular,
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Speaker 5: irregular beating and it's always called irregular irregular because there's
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Speaker 5: no pattern. That's why they need a pacemaker. A pacemaker
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Speaker 5: puts the heart back in rhythm so it can pump
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Speaker 5: blood pressure and oxygen.
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Speaker 6: This is exactly what happens.
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Speaker 5: After birth in twenty five maybe thirty percent of females,
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Speaker 5: but then they don't all get so bad they need pacemakers.
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Speaker 5: A pacemaker, and it's not a practice. Strong woman in
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Speaker 5: her thirties is almost unheard of.
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Speaker 2: To Derek Dallinger joining us, I'm sure at North Carolina
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Speaker 2: investigative reporter and anchor at Queens City News, question, Derek,
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Speaker 2: I'm very curious as to the husband's behavior at the memorial.
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Speaker 1: Do we know anything about that?
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Speaker 4: Well, for lack of better words, we do know he
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Speaker 4: was somewhat emotional. However, the family did note that things
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Speaker 4: seemed a little bit weird, and they noticed, especially right
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Speaker 4: after or right around that time of the memorial service,
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Speaker 4: he seemed to be moving on and moving on rather quickly.
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Speaker 1: So when you say weird, you know what.
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Speaker 2: To Mark Pepper, joining US veteran trial lawyer criminal defense
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Speaker 2: attorney at the Pepper Law Firm in Charleston, Mark, thank
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Speaker 2: you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: You know what.
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Speaker 2: I really can't put that up as evidence. It gives
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Speaker 2: me nothing. He was weird. You could say that about, Oh,
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Speaker 2: I don't know, fifty percent of the population. Everyone thinks
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Speaker 2: everybody is weird, accepting themselves. So he may have acted
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Speaker 2: weirdly at the memorial, But that's nothing hard, no, because.
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Speaker 8: Being weird at a memorial is not a crime or
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Speaker 8: evidence of having committed a crime. It's nothing more than
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Speaker 8: going through an emotional stage in your life where Heaven forbid,
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Speaker 8: your wife, mother of your children has just been found
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Speaker 8: by you.
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Speaker 2: I love the way that you're so confident in your answer,
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Speaker 2: just as you are in court.
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Speaker 9: Now.
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Speaker 1: I know why you win so many cases. But did
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Speaker 1: you hear?
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Speaker 2: Derek Dellinger from qcnews dot Com stayed earlier that he
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Speaker 2: was kind of confused the husband about.
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Speaker 1: How he found his wife.
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Speaker 2: Did first he was coming in correct me if I'm wrong,
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Speaker 2: Derek Delager coming in from jogging when he saw her
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Speaker 2: slumped over the sofa, And I'm curious how was she
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Speaker 2: slumpt over?
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Speaker 1: Was she's sitting there slumped over by the side, or
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Speaker 1: was she falling over the sofa?
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Speaker 2: And then later he said Mark Pepper that he was
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Speaker 2: working on his computer and went, oh, my stars, my
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Speaker 2: wife slumped over on the sofa.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think I would remember that. No, I'm
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Speaker 1: getting some evidence.
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Speaker 8: Although I think my expert at trial would say that
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Speaker 8: when you go through a traumatic situation such as he did,
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Speaker 8: you misremember things often. Perhaps he did go for a job,
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Speaker 8: came back, started on his computer and then noticed his way.
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Speaker 1: Did you say misremember?
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Speaker 8: Course, people misremember things all the time.
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Speaker 10: I'm sure actually misremember it is today, it is to this,
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Speaker 10: it is okay.
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Speaker 8: You get multiple statements. You know, was it right consecutive
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Speaker 8: and sequential order that he went for a jog then
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Speaker 8: he founder or did he go for a jog and
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Speaker 8: then check his email and then he founder? Does it
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Speaker 8: really matter? The bottom line is.
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Speaker 1: Not matter to me, But I understand.
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Speaker 2: That's what matters to me. Would it managed to with jury?
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Speaker 1: Okay? I understand you, and you're pretend.
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Speaker 2: Expert that's going to get on the stand and say, yeah,
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Speaker 2: people change their stories all the time with.
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Speaker 1: Their wives die. You don't believe that.
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Speaker 2: Your expert may say that, and you may have to
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Speaker 2: pay that expert a lot of money to say that.
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Speaker 1: But people on the jury may not believe that. But
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Speaker 1: I give you an a.
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Speaker 2: Plus because obviously you're doing something right in the courtroom.
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Speaker 2: What more do we know about this couple? Listen to
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Speaker 2: investigative reporter Drew Nilson.
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Speaker 11: By their eighth wedding anniversary. High school sweethearts, Stacy and
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Speaker 11: Joshua Hunsucker share two young daughters, Willow and Piper. The
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Speaker 11: couple seems happy with their life in Mount Holly, North Carolina.
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Speaker 11: Stacey works as a pair of legal and Joshua is
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Speaker 11: the lead paramedic at Atrium Health schmid Center Air Unit.
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Speaker 11: They're also close to Stacy's parents, John and Susie Robinson,
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Speaker 11: who are always willing to.
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Speaker 1: Babysit crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: As in so many other cases, we have observed friends
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Speaker 2: and coworkers becomes suspicious.
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Speaker 12: Listen, friends and coworkers comment that Joshua Hunsucker seems largely
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Speaker 12: unaffected by his wife's death. Hunsucker begins the process of
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Speaker 12: filing for Stacy's life insurance benefits just two days after
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Speaker 12: her death, and starts a relationship with a coworker less
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Speaker 12: than a month after the funeral. Within six months, Hunsucker's
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Speaker 12: new girlfriend moves into the family home.
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Speaker 1: Okay, can we just get real for a moment? I
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Speaker 1: don't know.
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Speaker 2: That was investigator reporter Jackie Howard speaking to doctor Sherry Schwartz.
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Speaker 2: Let's analyze what we just heard. There's such a thing
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Speaker 2: as putting perfume on the pig.
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Speaker 1: You ever heard that? Doctors?
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Speaker 2: Doctor Sherry Schwartz forensic psychologist specializing in capital mitigation victim
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Speaker 2: advocacy at panthermitigation dot com. She's the author of Criminal
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Speaker 2: Behavior and Where Law and Psychology intersect. Doctor Sherry Schwartz.
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Speaker 2: Hold on, did you hear what the reporter said. Hamsucker
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Speaker 2: begins the process of filing for Lacy's for Stacy's life insurance.
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Speaker 1: Just two days after her death.
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Speaker 2: Okay, here's the problem that, here's the part that disturbs me,
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Speaker 2: and starts a relationship with a coworker less than a
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Speaker 2: month after the funeral.
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Speaker 1: Now right there.
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Speaker 2: I don't think we're talking about a penpal. I think
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Speaker 2: we're talking about a sex relationship. So, as our expert
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Speaker 2: Mark Pepper will tell you, there's all sorts of, you know,
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Speaker 2: psychological behavior following the death of your spouse, but starting
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Speaker 2: a sex affair, I don't think that's part of one
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Speaker 2: of the stages of grieving.
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Speaker 13: Well, I mean, in some respects it could be, But
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Speaker 13: when you look at the aggregation of the behavior, so
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Speaker 13: he's applying within forty eight hours, it sounds like for
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Speaker 13: insurance money, and then he's moving on with the relationship.
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Speaker 13: This seems to be somebody who's moving on really quickly
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Speaker 13: from the sudden, shocking death of his wife, and he
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Speaker 13: has two little children to worry about as well. It
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Speaker 13: just seems like he's very focused on getting to the
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Speaker 13: next stage of his life.
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Speaker 2: Derek Dellingery joining me, investigative reporter at Queen's City News.
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Speaker 2: Can we talk about the as it was stated, relationship
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Speaker 2: with a co worker. I have reason to suspect the
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Speaker 2: relationship with the co workers started before his wife died.
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Speaker 1: What do you know from what we know it did?
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Speaker 4: The relationship is sometime around not really sincerely sure about
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Speaker 4: the length of a relationship, but apparently it did start
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Speaker 4: before it stays he had died.
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Speaker 1: Okay, what do you mean? What indication do I have
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Speaker 1: he was having an affair?
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Speaker 2: What if any and all of the wife's girlfriends speculating
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Speaker 2: is not evidence? What evidence is there that there was
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Speaker 2: an extramarital affair during the wife's life?
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Speaker 4: From what nothing has been revealed so far about that specifically.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so I've got to rule that out.
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Speaker 2: I don't know any hard evidence about an affair. I
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Speaker 2: just know speculation. Now I am a little curious about
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Speaker 2: filing for life insurance within forty eight hours.
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Speaker 1: He is joining me right now.
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Speaker 2: Former SHAREFF, former homicide and undercover narcotics agent Ron Bateman
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Speaker 2: at Ronbatemanbooks dot com, author of a crime trilogy, Silent
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Speaker 2: Blue Tears.
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Speaker 1: Ron, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Yes, Mary, So when you heard doctor William Moroney speaking
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Speaker 2: about cod cause of death, that's what investigators.
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Speaker 1: Have to focus on.
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Speaker 2: They don't have anything else yet. Would just immediately filing
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Speaker 2: for two hundred and fifty thousand dollars life insurance policy
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Speaker 2: within forty eight hours? Would that wave a red flag?
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Speaker 2: What else would it take for you to become suspicious?
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Speaker 9: That's huge, red flag huge. There's a grieving process that
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Speaker 9: takes place, as you know, and you don't get over
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Speaker 9: that that quick. And I would definitely be interested in
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Speaker 9: interviewing this girlfriend. And to answer your question earlier about evidence,
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Speaker 9: you know, I would be boots on the ground. I
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Speaker 9: would be checking his credit card, his phone records, checking
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Speaker 9: local hotels, motels, see if I have him being, you know,
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Speaker 9: staying there overnight or a couple of nights with this lady.
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Speaker 9: And I would definitely be interested in talking with her
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Speaker 9: because there may be some bedroom talk. You know, they
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Speaker 9: may be in this together. This could be a conspiracy.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't just coworkers that became concerned. Listen.
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Speaker 12: Stacy Hunsucker's mom, Susie Robinson, cannot seem to find closure
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Speaker 12: concerning her daughter's death. She finds it odd that Joshua Hunsucker,
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Speaker 12: a paramedic with plenty of experience in emergency situations, can't
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Speaker 12: seem to remember what he was doing before he found
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Speaker 12: Stacy unconscious. Robinson also discovers Hunsucker's new girlfriend may have
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Speaker 12: been seeing him before her daughter's death. Okay, so is
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Speaker 12: it still just speculation?
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Speaker 1: Is it real?
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Speaker 2: Was there an affair going on prior to Stacy's death?
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Speaker 2: And if there was that relationship, that sex relationship going on,
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Speaker 2: then that still doesn't prove.
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Speaker 1: That she's murdered.
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Speaker 2: Let me ask you very quickly to Derek Dillinger, I
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Speaker 2: had mentioned the memorial and whether the husband acted oddly
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Speaker 2: at the memorial.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't a funeral. Was she cremated?
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Speaker 2: She was cremated to doctor William Maroney joining us for
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Speaker 2: now medical examiner, doctor Mury. Once a body is cremated,
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Speaker 2: is there any way to somehow extract DNA for the body?
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Speaker 6: Absolutely not.
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Speaker 5: It's gone, it's done, its ashes, And the fact that
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Speaker 5: they didn't do an autopsy is suspicious even if she
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Speaker 5: had art issues, because that means your medical examiner some
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Speaker 5: kind of fossil.
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Speaker 6: He's a dinosaur.
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Speaker 5: He's living off a past that he's not curious and
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Speaker 5: he's not interested in the truth.
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Speaker 6: Ashes give you ashes. It's a box. It's as big
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Speaker 6: as a box of cheerios. There's nothing you can do
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Speaker 6: with it.
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Speaker 2: So let me understand. Is it true to our legal experts?
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Speaker 2: Is it true that the next of ken not necessarily
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Speaker 2: blood relative? But it would be the husband that's the
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Speaker 2: one that decides unless the state orders an autopsy. It
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Speaker 2: would be the husband in this case to side, we're
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Speaker 2: not having an autopsy. He quote didn't want to see
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Speaker 2: her cut up. So he gets decided to decide if
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Speaker 2: his wife has an autopsy.
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Speaker 1: Mark.
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Speaker 8: That's exactly right. And his vote is the only vote
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Speaker 8: that is considered by the pathologists with the coroner's office.
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Speaker 8: He is the next of ken. He gets to determine
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Speaker 8: what happens to the body. In this case, he chose
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Speaker 8: to cremate his wife.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Docter Sherry Schwartz, you and I covered together. I
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Speaker 2: mentioned him earlier, the prophet Chad da Bell. When his
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Speaker 2: wife Tammy da Bell died suddenly intersleep, remember the one
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Speaker 2: that ran marathons, He did not want her quote cut
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Speaker 2: up and refused an autopsy.
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Speaker 1: She had to be exhumed.
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Speaker 2: Under court order, and it was then determined that she
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Speaker 2: died of asphyxiation. So I'm concerned when someone doesn't want
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Speaker 2: to find out why their spouse died, and Race is
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Speaker 2: practically sprints to the crematorium.
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Speaker 1: With you, Nancy.
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Speaker 13: This is a significant consideration when making a determination about
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Speaker 13: whether or not somebody could be implicated in the death
21:08
Speaker 13: of another person, particularly their loved one. This woman was very,
21:13
Speaker 13: very young, and while she had a heart condition, it
21:16
Speaker 13: appears after the birth of her second daughter. Still he's
21:20
Speaker 13: a paramedic. It's very concerning to me that he wasn't
21:23
Speaker 13: wanting to know exactly what caused her death, what was missed,
21:28
Speaker 13: what could happen that would cause the death of such
21:31
Speaker 13: a young, otherwise healthy woman.
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Speaker 11: As investigators begin to suspect that his wife's death was
21:36
Speaker 11: not natural, Joshua Hunsucker's behavior becomes erratic. During a night
21:41
Speaker 11: shift with Atrium Health in their helicopter unit, Hunsucker sets
21:44
Speaker 11: a syringe pump on fire. The pilot is forced into
21:48
Speaker 11: an emergency landing in a car dealership parking lot while
21:51
Speaker 11: no one is injured. Atrium Health begins an investigation into
21:54
Speaker 11: the incident.
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Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, Wait a minute, I feel like
21:56
Speaker 2: I'm in another case to you.
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Speaker 1: Derrick Dillager Joy he has Queen City News.
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Speaker 2: So, after his wife dies of natural causes, this guy,
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Speaker 2: who is a paramedic, starts a fire in a helicopter
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Speaker 2: while it's in the air, like a life flight helicopter.
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Speaker 1: Did I did I hear that? Yes?
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Speaker 4: It was charged with some wrongdoing, specifically without fire.
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Speaker 2: So the pilot is forced into an emergency landing in
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Speaker 2: a car dealership parking lot. Nobody is injured, but Hm
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Speaker 2: Hill starts an investigation into the incident. You know how
22:33
Speaker 2: many times Ron Bateman former share Form a homicide detective
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Speaker 1: Ronbateman books dot com.
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Speaker 2: Ron how many times has a defendant suspect been going
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Speaker 2: along under the radar when they do something really stupid.
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Speaker 1: And they get nabbed on that and then the entire
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Speaker 1: plot Like, why in the world would you start? I
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Speaker 1: believe he said, like some syringe pump on fire up
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Speaker 1: in a helicopter. Idiot.
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Speaker 9: That's crazy. It sounds like self destructive behavior to me.
23:14
Speaker 9: But also, you know what you said, People do that
23:17
Speaker 9: all the time. They make something stupid, mistake, which allows
23:21
Speaker 9: their DNA to be taken or their fingerprints to be
23:24
Speaker 9: taken when they weren't otherwise on file, and then bam,
23:27
Speaker 9: they're in a system. They're identified for other crimes. It
23:30
Speaker 9: happens all the time. Let's face it, They're not the
23:33
Speaker 9: smartest tools in the short the sharpest tools in the shed.
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Speaker 2: Okay, guys, because of his crazy stunt in a helicopter,
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Speaker 2: and I'm wondering if somehow this paramedic hubby, paramedic cheating hubby,
23:47
Speaker 2: according to sources, was trying to take focus off his
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Speaker 2: wife's death and somehow come out the hero.
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Speaker 1: I'm just wondering his.
23:55
Speaker 2: Motivation for lighting a syringe pump on fire and a
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Speaker 2: flying helicopter. Okay, that opened up a Pandora's box. A
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Speaker 2: trim Health where you work started an investigation of that.
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Speaker 14: Now listen, the NCDI discovered Stacy is an organ donor
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Speaker 14: and a vial of her blood has been stored. Tests
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Speaker 14: on the blood reveal that Stacy has a lethal amount
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Speaker 14: of tetrahydrosylene, the active ingredient, and eyedrops in her bloodstream
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Speaker 14: at the time of her death.
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Speaker 2: Okay, after the stunt in the helicopter. Everyone's suspicions reached
24:29
Speaker 2: a boiling point. Now, remember dary Dellinger, isn't this correct?
24:34
Speaker 2: The husband demanded a cremation immediately. He did not want
24:38
Speaker 2: his wife cut up on autopsy. So she's cremated. You
24:42
Speaker 2: heard doctor Moroney state there's no way to get tissue
24:46
Speaker 2: blood any DNA wants. Someone is being cremated. But then
24:52
Speaker 2: they remember she's an organ donor. So what happens?
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Speaker 9: Then?
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Speaker 4: What happens then? Okay, so there is a vile of
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Speaker 4: her blood as a result of her being an organed downer.
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Speaker 4: That is what is tested, and it's found to have
25:05
Speaker 4: this lethal dose of basically the active ingredient and eyedrops.
25:10
Speaker 4: If you know you've put it in eyedrops, if eye
25:12
Speaker 4: drops in your eye will help with the redness in
25:14
Speaker 4: your eyes. But however, if you ingest it, that can
25:18
Speaker 4: cause some issues the heart, also issues with your energy.
25:20
Speaker 4: It can be lethal in the right of mind too.
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Speaker 2: Doctor William Roney, renowned psychologists, explain to me what he
25:26
Speaker 2: just said. Are you saying that if I drink vizin
25:30
Speaker 2: it could strickt the blood vessels around my heart.
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Speaker 6: Yes, And it's lethal enough that if you did a
25:38
Speaker 6: couple of tables booms, you would lose consciousness, you would
25:43
Speaker 6: be dizzy, you would lose blood pressure, it would slow
25:47
Speaker 6: your heart and you'd stop breathing, and if you did enough,
25:52
Speaker 6: it would make you look like you had a heart attack.
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Speaker 2: What do we know about this substance, this seemingly toxic
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Speaker 2: substance in eyedrops. As you heard doctor Moroney say, it's
26:03
Speaker 2: okay for your eyes, not okay for the rest of
26:06
Speaker 2: your body.
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Speaker 15: Listen, this is not something we would normally go in
26:09
Speaker 15: looking for. And the half life, what the refer to
26:13
Speaker 15: the half life of the drug is very short. It
26:15
Speaker 15: only lasts about six hours in the system. So you
26:18
Speaker 15: have to look to other symptomology and then dig back
26:22
Speaker 15: in and see what is this consistent with. So it
26:25
Speaker 15: requires quite a bit of medical detective work.
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Speaker 2: So let me understand this, doctor Moroney. When you become
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Speaker 2: an organ donor at the time of your death, your
26:34
Speaker 2: organs are harvested is a nice way to say it,
26:37
Speaker 2: taken out of your body. So in effect, she Stacy
26:40
Speaker 2: was cut up, as the husband said, anyway to harvest
26:44
Speaker 2: her organs. Luckily, during that process, a vial of her
26:49
Speaker 2: bodily fluids. I guess blood was maintained. So from that
26:54
Speaker 2: one vial DTR Moroney, it could be determined that she
26:59
Speaker 2: had the ingredient of eye drops in her blood.
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Speaker 5: Yes, and they saved the blood for purposes of answering
27:08
Speaker 5: questions asked. The bodies buried or cremated. If somebody comes
27:12
Speaker 5: up and says, hey, the donor got heppatitis C, the
27:16
Speaker 5: donor got appatitis B, the donor got a viral disease,
27:20
Speaker 5: they can go back and look at the blood and
27:22
Speaker 5: see if we screen that did that the person that
27:28
Speaker 5: got the surgery, did they get that from this houselife?
27:33
Speaker 12: Despite Joshua Hunsucker's antics, the Robinson's file a wrongful death
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Speaker 12: lawsuit against their former son in law, hoping to gather
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Speaker 12: what remains of Stacy's life insurance benefits to say for
27:44
Speaker 12: her children. The Robinson's accuse Huntsucker of using the two
27:48
Speaker 12: hundred and fifty thousand dollars designed a lavish lifestyle, including
27:53
Speaker 12: extravagant vacations with his new girlfriend and the one hundred
27:56
Speaker 12: thousand dollars boat. The Robinson's also seek an addition twenty
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Speaker 12: five thousand dollars in damages as they claimed Stacy's death
28:04
Speaker 12: was caused by Hunsucker's wilful, intentional, and malicious conduct.
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Speaker 1: Dary Dellinger let me understand this.
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Speaker 2: Her Stacy's parents sue him, the husband, for wrongful death
28:16
Speaker 2: when they noticed his quote lavish spending one hundred thousand
28:21
Speaker 2: dollars boat extravagant vacations with a new girlfriend. Why is
28:25
Speaker 2: it derrek that man pinched the pennies during the marriage
28:29
Speaker 2: and when they get a hot.
28:30
Speaker 1: Girlfriend, man they spend it all.
28:33
Speaker 4: Well, he was free, at least he felt like he
28:36
Speaker 4: was free to do what he wanted to and do
28:38
Speaker 4: as he pleased. This is despite the fact that I mean,
28:41
Speaker 4: he still had two daughters to take care of. But
28:43
Speaker 4: he apparently was going about his life and going about
28:46
Speaker 4: his life as if he lived life anew at least
28:48
Speaker 4: before he was arrested.
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Speaker 1: And then another bizarre incident listen.
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Speaker 7: Joshua Hunsucker calls nine to one one claiming he was
28:55
Speaker 7: attacked while changing a flat tire. On the scene, Hunsucker
28:59
Speaker 7: tells Mount Holy Cops he was changing a tire when
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Speaker 7: a man pistol whipped him several times in the head,
29:05
Speaker 7: bound his hands with a zip tie, then injected him
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Speaker 7: with an unknown substance. Huntsucker claims he knows his attacker,
29:12
Speaker 7: former father in law, John Robinson. Investigators find no evidence
29:16
Speaker 7: supporting Hunsucker's claims and determined he likely staged the attack.
29:20
Speaker 7: During the investigation, cops find an unmarked bag containing pills
29:24
Speaker 7: usually prescribed for depression and adults.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand this, Terry Dallinger. Okay, so the
29:30
Speaker 1: wife is dead.
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Speaker 2: The helicopter incident occurs then, much like you remember Alex
29:35
Speaker 2: Simmerdogg out of South Carolina, who staged an event where
29:40
Speaker 2: he claimed someone attacked him and that really opened up
29:44
Speaker 2: a whole other can of worms. So let me understand now,
29:48
Speaker 2: this guy to get back at his in laws, who
29:51
Speaker 2: file a wrongful death lawsuit against him, He now claims
29:55
Speaker 2: they attacked him.
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Speaker 4: Yes, and specifically his former fo in law. His former
30:01
Speaker 4: father in law is the target of not only that,
30:04
Speaker 4: but as several other incidents. He's apparently trying to deflect
30:07
Speaker 4: blame away from what happened to Stacy and also the
30:11
Speaker 4: care for his kids, away from away from his ex
30:15
Speaker 4: father in law, away from him, and more towards his.
30:17
Speaker 2: Xbother you know again, the flat tire story rears its
30:20
Speaker 2: ugly head.
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Speaker 1: Listen to this.
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Speaker 16: I can't think carry now more warmers. Emergency. I stuck,
30:25
Speaker 16: I got a flat tire, stopped, somebody stopped to help me,
30:31
Speaker 16: and when I turned my back, they tried to shoot me.
30:34
Speaker 16: Will you shut yes, I can't drive, okay, and I'm
30:40
Speaker 16: bleeding a lot. We're part of your body. I'm not sure.
30:46
Speaker 16: Somewhere on my head somebody just stopped from me, ma'am.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: That was Alex Murna, using the same tired story that
30:55
Speaker 2: all this happens when these fully athletic grown man are
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Speaker 2: changing a tire and then an unknown assailant attacks them.
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Speaker 2: Same thing here with Hunsucker, except he says his father
31:05
Speaker 2: in law, his father in law, I guess up in
31:08
Speaker 2: his sixties or seventies, attacks him while he's changing a
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Speaker 2: flat tire. Derek, I don't know if you recall an
31:16
Speaker 2: Alex Mardock's case. His lawyer came out and said he
31:19
Speaker 2: had like traumatic brain injury or some bs like that.
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Speaker 1: He showed up in court with a band aid on
31:24
Speaker 1: his head.
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Speaker 2: Okay, were there any injuries pursuant to Hounsucker's attack on
31:30
Speaker 2: the side of the road.
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Speaker 4: From what I'm recalled. There may have been a bruise,
31:33
Speaker 4: but other than that, there was no real sign and
31:35
Speaker 4: no real sign of any struggle that had happened.
31:37
Speaker 2: You know what, Derek, I would absolutely check the blue
31:40
Speaker 2: eyeshadow and his wife's cosmetic bag to find out if
31:43
Speaker 2: that's what the bruise was.
31:44
Speaker 1: One more thing, Derek, you got to hear this listen.
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Speaker 12: Weeks after the alleged kidnapping and assault, Joshua Hunsucker rushes
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Speaker 12: his ten year old daughter to the hospital with concerning symptoms.
31:55
Speaker 12: The girl has low blood pressure, a low heart rate,
31:59
Speaker 12: extremely exhaust and constricted blood vessels. Doctors at Caram Mount
32:03
Speaker 12: Hospital are stumped, and the girl is transported to Levine's
32:07
Speaker 12: Children Hospital. There, a urine test reveals she has a
32:11
Speaker 12: large amount of THCHZ, the same drug that killed her mother,
32:15
Speaker 12: in her system. The test also revealed traces of the
32:18
Speaker 12: antidepressant found in Joshua Hunsucker's car.
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Speaker 2: Doctor William Morony not just renowned to psychologists a medical examiner,
32:26
Speaker 2: but devoted father Moroni, did you hear what the reporter
32:31
Speaker 2: just said? Weeks after the claim his father in law
32:35
Speaker 2: attacked him on the side of the road. He rushes
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Speaker 2: his ten year old little girl ten years old to
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Speaker 2: the hospital and guess what with low blood pressure, low
32:44
Speaker 2: heart rate, exhaustion, constricted blood vessels. They determined from a
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Speaker 2: urine test her blood is full of thhz found in
32:58
Speaker 2: eye drops. Help me, doctor Moroney, first his wife, now
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Speaker 2: his daughter.
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Speaker 6: He's got the exact same symptoms. And what he would
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Speaker 6: say is, oh, well, genetically he's like her mother. She
33:11
Speaker 6: has these problems.
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Speaker 5: No, she's like her mother because you're poisoning her. That
33:17
Speaker 5: is exactly what's happening. It's the same symptoms.
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Speaker 2: Okay, guys, if this is true, if these are all
33:26
Speaker 2: just allegations, nobody's been proven guilty yet. If this is true,
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Speaker 2: is Hansucker what we call a family annihilator.
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Speaker 1: It brings to mind Chris Watts. Listen, my daddy is
33:44
Speaker 1: a hero. He helps me good up. Fuck, he helps me.
33:52
Speaker 2: Good too.
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Speaker 3: He leaves me with ta tion.
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Speaker 14: Chris Watts is cheating on his pregnant wife and during
34:12
Speaker 14: an argument about divorce, Watts strangles Shannan. Their four year
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Speaker 14: old daughter, Bella wakes up and sees her dad.
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Speaker 5: Mom.
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Speaker 14: Watts tells Bella mommy's sick and puts her back to bed.
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Speaker 14: Watts loads Shannan's body into the bed of his truck,
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Speaker 14: and with Bella and three year old Celeste in the
34:27
Speaker 14: back seat without their car seats, he takes his family
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Speaker 14: to the oil tankers where he works. Smothering his daughters
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Speaker 14: to death, he squeezes them through an eight inch hatch
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Speaker 14: in the oil tank and drops his wife into a
34:39
Speaker 14: shallow grave one hundred yards from the oil tankers and
34:41
Speaker 14: covers it with dirt.
34:49
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Two forensic psychologist doctor Sherry Schwartz, what is a family annihilator?
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Speaker 13: A family annihilator Nancy is somebody who basically plans to
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Speaker 13: and executes everybody in the family. This is somebody who
35:13
Speaker 13: we find is generally high end psychopathy. They have no conscience,
35:18
Speaker 13: they lack empathy, and they see their family as in
35:22
Speaker 13: their way to leading their best life.
35:24
Speaker 1: Tomorrow, Pepper is joining us.
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Speaker 2: A veteran trial lawyerate the Pepper Law Firm in Charleston. Mark,
35:32
Speaker 2: You've dealt with so many defendants, and I'm not asking
35:34
Speaker 2: you to give attorney client privileges, but have you ever
35:38
Speaker 2: dealt as a lawyer with the client that seemingly had
35:41
Speaker 2: no emotion that didn't seem to feel anything, for instance,
35:46
Speaker 2: a sociopath that doesn't really understand other people's suffering.
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Speaker 8: It's more common than you would think. Nancy and I
35:54
Speaker 8: suspect that your viewers would understand. The criminal mind is
35:59
Speaker 8: different as your experts. I'm sure we'll elaborate on later.
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Speaker 8: There are reasons people do things that you and I
36:06
Speaker 8: can't understand, yet they somehow are able to justify it
36:10
Speaker 8: to themselves. They have no empathy whatsoever. They have no
36:14
Speaker 8: sympathy whatsoever. There is no responsibility whatsoever. It is solely
36:19
Speaker 8: about that individual and if that means moving his own
36:23
Speaker 8: family or her family out of the way to accomplish
36:26
Speaker 8: his own means. We see that quite often in the
36:29
Speaker 8: criminal world that we live in. That is a typical behavior.
36:34
Speaker 8: That this pattern is starting to real here by mister Hunsucker.
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Speaker 17: What investigators first responded to appeared to be a natural death.
36:44
Speaker 17: They found Stephen Clayton at the bottom of the staircase
36:47
Speaker 17: and their million dollar home, and his wife, Lana, said
36:51
Speaker 17: that he had been sick for the last few days,
36:54
Speaker 17: suffered from vertigo, so it appeared to be a rather
36:57
Speaker 17: natural death. According to investigators. They believe she was motivated
37:03
Speaker 17: by money. Stephen Clayton had a successful business in health rehabilitation.
37:09
Speaker 17: They believe his house was worth about one point two million,
37:13
Speaker 17: his property and then another million worth of assets. He
37:17
Speaker 17: did not have any children, and a few weeks after
37:21
Speaker 17: his death are newspartners at the Herald report that she
37:25
Speaker 17: filed to become a beneficiary to his estate.
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Speaker 2: We're talking about Alanna Clayton, the wife in that case.
37:32
Speaker 2: Has miss Stephen Clayton dead at the foot of the stairs.
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Speaker 1: Joining me right now.
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Speaker 2: Crimeonline dot Com investigative reporter Sydney Summer. Sidney, thank you
37:38
Speaker 2: for being with us. The connection, if any, the Clayton
37:44
Speaker 2: death was that by THHC.
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Speaker 1: That is correct, Yes, okay.
37:51
Speaker 2: What if anything does that have to do with the
37:53
Speaker 2: Hunsucker death by Eydrop Well Nancy.
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Speaker 18: This was just a few months before Stacy Hunsucker died,
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Speaker 18: so people believe that this was a copycat murder.
38:03
Speaker 1: Joshua Hunsucker got.
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Speaker 18: This idea from Lanta Clayton, and Lanta Clayton almost got
38:08
Speaker 18: away with it because her husband was very adverse to
38:12
Speaker 18: Western medicine. He wouldn't even get his blood drawn in
38:15
Speaker 18: a doctor. So we believe that Clayton probably tried to
38:19
Speaker 18: poison her husband several times.
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Speaker 1: But it is possible that.
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Speaker 18: Joshua Humsucker saw this case in the news and took
38:27
Speaker 18: a page out of Lanta Clayton's book.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: Okay, doctor William Maroney joining US medical examiner author toxicologist,
38:34
Speaker 2: did you hear what city someone just said? In that case,
38:37
Speaker 2: the husband, Stephen Clayton, was quote adverse to Western medicine,
38:41
Speaker 2: wouldn't even get his blood drawn.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
38:43
Speaker 2: That was perfectly set up for this type of poisoning
38:48
Speaker 2: because he didn't.
38:49
Speaker 1: Want any of his blood done. He wouldn't have prior
38:52
Speaker 1: doctor's visits.
38:53
Speaker 2: In this case, we don't have an autopsy because the
38:57
Speaker 2: husband doesn't want it. We're not getting the correct medical findings.
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Speaker 2: I'm curious. I'm curious when you poison someone with this
39:08
Speaker 2: particular substance tetrahydra hydras line, what.
39:14
Speaker 1: Does it taste like? Because I think the wife got
39:18
Speaker 1: it in water. She didn't taste it.
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Speaker 5: Hydrozisin is a little basic, you know, sometimes things are
39:25
Speaker 5: a cynic or they're basic, but it's colorless, it's relatively tasteless.
39:31
Speaker 5: It might taste a little bit like salt. But the
39:36
Speaker 5: idea is you need very little. It's in the body
39:41
Speaker 5: a long time and we don't know if he was
39:44
Speaker 5: poisoning her for months, day after day or just a
39:48
Speaker 5: huge ghost because we can't tell, but it would taste
39:51
Speaker 5: just a little bit like salt, and it's clear that's
39:56
Speaker 5: how you get away with it.
39:58
Speaker 2: Wow, guys, again, no one has been found guilty in
40:04
Speaker 2: this case and we wait as justice unfolds. Thank you
40:11
Speaker 2: to all of our guests to help us understand this
40:13
Speaker 2: very complicated, yet so simple case. Nancy Grace signing off,
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Speaker 2: goodbye friend,