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🎙️ From Muse to Maker: A Creative Journey with Yvonne Ng · STOPTIME: Live in the Moment.

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Lisa Hopkins: This is the Stop Time Podcast.
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Lisa Hopkins: I'm your host, Lisa Hopkins, and I'm here to engage you in thought-provoking, motivational conversations around practicing the art of living in the moment.
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Lisa Hopkins: I'm a certified life coach and I'm excited to dig deep and offer insights into embracing who we are and where we are at, where we are at my next guest well, this one's really special.
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Lisa Hopkins: My next guest is someone I've known since our days in the dance program at York University in 1987.
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Lisa Hopkins: A true powerhouse, then and now, in the performing arts.
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Lisa Hopkins: Born and raised in Singapore, she is the founder and artistic director of Princess Productions, home to Tiger Princess Dance Projects and the acclaimed Dance Made in Canada, Feto Canada Festival.
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Lisa Hopkins: Her work has toured globally to places like Ireland, Italy, Australia and China, featuring collaborations with renowned choreographers.
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Lisa Hopkins: Her dedication extends beyond the stage.
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Lisa Hopkins: She's a certified open source forms and Ashtanga yoga teacher and, through her arts education program Swallowing Clouds and Moving Stories, she's empowering youth and intergenerational participants alike.
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Lisa Hopkins: Her incredible contributions have earned her prestigious awards, including the 2022 Walter Carson Prize and the Jacqueline Lemieux Award.
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Lisa Hopkins: With a career spanning choreography, education and global impact, she is a living testament to the power of creative possibility.
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Lisa Hopkins: Please join me in welcoming my friend and my original muse, Yvonne Ng.
2:02
Lisa Hopkins: Welcome Yvonne.
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Yvonne Ng: Thank you.
2:07
Yvonne Ng: Is that what you're going to say?
2:09
Yvonne Ng: Oh, my God, you wrote that.
2:11
Yvonne Ng: Oh, wow, you make me sound more.
2:14
Yvonne Ng: That's so, not me.
2:15
Yvonne Ng: Oh, thank you so much.
2:19
Lisa Hopkins: It came from you, no, and listen, it's, you know, to the listeners, it's I don't know.
2:26
Lisa Hopkins: Life goes, goes by quickly on the one hand, on the other hand not at all, Like when I saw you pre-show and you were gesturing it.
2:33
Lisa Hopkins: Suddenly it's flooding back to me all the things that I choreographed for you, that you danced so brilliantly, that you know, just again, for the listeners, we were the original entrepreneurs, like in Canada at the time, especially well, well, at least from my perspective, in a university program, a very conservative university dance program, you don't really do stuff out of the box, right, you do what you're told.
2:58
Lisa Hopkins: But there were three of us Yvonne Carey and I, yes, who were like man, we just have so much we want to do, right.
3:06
Lisa Hopkins: And, and as I remember it, you, you were like the kind of, I want to say, brains.
3:14
Lisa Hopkins: You were the organized one.
3:16
Yvonne Ng: I bought a book.
3:17
Yvonne Ng: I did I actually I saved it.
3:22
Yvonne Ng: It's, I think, I think one of the dance organizations published it and it's pretty much how to run a company.
3:30
Yvonne Ng: I bought a book, oh my God, and it's got it's like a not those big things that you know, those big binders you can get like, and it's got those hard rings.
3:43
Yvonne Ng: And it went from how to start a bank account, which we did yes, which we did with three dollars I remember, I remember, yeah, how to like hire someone, definitions of roles, so that was also very helpful because we needed to know who was going to do what um, and then the things about boards and yeah, boards, and so on and so forth.
4:07
Yvonne Ng: That's why we decided no boards, remember, yep, because we had homework on top of all.
4:12
Yvonne Ng: That's like no, no, we got to graduate too.
4:14
Yvonne Ng: No board, and I think we just made it like a small, like private company yeah yeah like we were such neophytes.
4:23
Lisa Hopkins: We just knew that we loved to dance, we really liked each other and and at the time it's interesting because, if I remember correctly, at the time you proclaimed that you didn't really like to choreograph.
4:34
Lisa Hopkins: Is that true?
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Lisa Hopkins: Do I remember that correct?
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Yvonne Ng: yeah, yeah, yeah, I really didn't want to choreograph because I just I, I wanted to dance, I liked being amused and it's exactly that I.
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Yvonne Ng: I liked being, um, sort of that conduit, I liked being in that person's world and understanding that world and becoming that world or interpreting that vision, and also was another way of for me, was another way of getting to know that person Right.
5:02
Yvonne Ng: And you know, years later on, it did take me that long, but years later after I realized why.
5:11
Yvonne Ng: Because I also didn't have homework.
5:14
Yvonne Ng: So if I did all the management stuff, which is essentially what I did and I went to the studio, my homework was staying fit, training, practicing what I couldn't get right in the rehearsal, like you know, doing my job as a dancer and a performer, understanding what that was as the artistry of it all, and then when, and then that could be on my own time, you know whatever that was and in the studio and all of that.
5:43
Yvonne Ng: And then when I had to stop doing that and I had to turn to like let's organize all of the rest of the other cogs of the wheel, right, it's like that.
5:54
Yvonne Ng: I didn't, it didn't split my brains, it actually was less tiring.
6:01
Yvonne Ng: As a choreographer, your work also extends, you know, and you know this, this like it extends beyond just being in the studio yeah right, letting it mull, allowing it to simmer, allowing to prepare, being kind of ready for the next day and knowing what's going to happen next, or tuning into yourself in a different kind of way and um, so it's just, we're all tuning into ourselves in different ways, but I found it was just, we're all tuning into ourselves in different ways, but I found it was yeah, and I didn't feel like I had anything to say at that point, but I felt I could say things that I needed to say through the vision of yourself, right, yourself.
6:41
Yvonne Ng: And I think Carrie did a couple of things too.
6:44
Lisa Hopkins: Right, yeah, yeah, that's so cool.
6:47
Lisa Hopkins: Hey, what did you learn about me through working with me?
6:51
Lisa Hopkins: Because you, you were in basically everything I did yes, I did.
6:54
Yvonne Ng: Yes, uh, well, you learn.
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Yvonne Ng: You learn a lot about choreography, um, decision making, letting go, um being inspired by the moment.
7:05
Yvonne Ng: Um, obviously, you can't.
7:07
Yvonne Ng: You can't always know what.
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Yvonne Ng: You know what's what the choreographer, what what lisa hopkins is thinking like deep inside, but also also what inspires and what the aspirations and the way they like to paint with bodies.
7:20
Yvonne Ng: You know, you learn about that.
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Yvonne Ng: But of course, you learn about personalities too.
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Yvonne Ng: That you were always really warm, always really encouraging, very positive.
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Yvonne Ng: You know and you also able to take us.
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Yvonne Ng: You were also able to connect us to ourselves.
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Yvonne Ng: So we never were, we never thought that we could never do other things.
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Yvonne Ng: Does that make sense?
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Yvonne Ng: If anything, you are smart enough to tap into who we are so that we rise above ourselves.
7:54
Lisa Hopkins: It really means a lot to hear that.
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Lisa Hopkins: I remember feeling whenever I was in the studio is my connection with the dancer or the actor or the human right.
8:05
Lisa Hopkins: So it's not so surprising that here I am doing this or working with humans, you know in other ways, as a coach, and so when you described it I was like, oh my gosh, it's holding space and the conduit, or not the conduit, but the vehicle was dance right, whereas now I work with people, the vehicle, or the tapestry, or the canvas the canvas is is life, if you want.
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Yvonne Ng: Yes, yes, yes, yeah.
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Yvonne Ng: And of course, bottom line is that you're a wonderful choreographer, a really great choreographer, brilliant.
8:46
Yvonne Ng: You always had lots of interesting, innovative ideas.
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Yvonne Ng: Like you were never.
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Yvonne Ng: Like you know, we never went in this studio going.
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Yvonne Ng: I don't know if she's going to like you know, never.
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Yvonne Ng: We never doubted you.
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Yvonne Ng: I don't think any of us did ever doubted you and it was always surprising ideas and, yeah, challenging Right surprising ideas and, yeah, challenging, right, you challenged us, but we never, we never.
9:12
Yvonne Ng: We never doubted that we couldn't do it either.
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Yvonne Ng: It was always a positive thing.
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Yvonne Ng: There was never tension.
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Yvonne Ng: You also created an environment.
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Yvonne Ng: You create an environment that we all were really there for each other, you know.
9:30
Lisa Hopkins: Yeah.
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Yvonne Ng: Right, and we were all different dancers, but you and it's brilliant that you are able to bring us to our best- selves.
9:48
Lisa Hopkins: It's not not everybody can do that.
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Lisa Hopkins: I think it's as you say it again now through my lens as a coach.
9:51
Lisa Hopkins: It's how I look at my clients, right?
9:53
Lisa Hopkins: I see the brilliance in them that they cannot see.
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Lisa Hopkins: So I'm not trying to shape them into something that I think they can do, but rather they inspire me, just as you inspired me, right.
10:06
Lisa Hopkins: So you know you talk about my choreography, but it's like that to me, it was a synthesis, meaning it was trust.
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Lisa Hopkins: I created a safe space for you so that I too could feel safe, right?
10:19
Lisa Hopkins: Because if you, if we don't all feel safe, then you can't tap into whatever it is.
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Lisa Hopkins: I was never as you know, never someone who would come in with something on paper and say then it goes like this and then it goes like that.
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Yvonne Ng: But normally I was always surprised.
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Yvonne Ng: It was so great.
10:32
Lisa Hopkins: It's all in there, yes, it was weird, but it came out because of you guys, like it was definitely inside of me, but it was not so structured and planned out.
10:44
Lisa Hopkins: Sometimes it might just be a phrase or a concept or something, and you know.
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Lisa Hopkins: On the other, on the other hand, I wasn't depending on you to figure it out either.
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Yvonne Ng: It was all.
10:56
Yvonne Ng: You're so musical, you're so musical.
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Yvonne Ng: I was always in awe of that.
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Yvonne Ng: You're so musical.
11:02
Yvonne Ng: It didn't seem like.
11:04
Yvonne Ng: You know I have a hard time counting, I mean not that I can't count, but I just never liked it.
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Yvonne Ng: But you never made it seem like we always had to be so strapped to it and yet it was very musical.
11:17
Yvonne Ng: You know not that we always.
11:19
Yvonne Ng: It was never like it.
11:20
Yvonne Ng: Sorry, and I don't want to give a sense that it's not, it was not a transliteration of things, but there was a musicality to the way you choreograph, the way your choreography sat with the music or was accompanied by the music or was married to the music or you know all of those things, and that was always so fun.
11:40
Lisa Hopkins: If you had to choose one highlight and one low light from your life journey so far, what would those be and why?
11:47
Lisa Hopkins: Yeah?
11:49
Yvonne Ng: Oh, I don't know, I've never sort of had one more than another in terms of highlights.
11:55
Yvonne Ng: I feel very I do say I mean I have to say I do feel quite fortunate, very blessed and privileged that I've had like really wonderful opportunities to be with, like yourself, you know, like if we had gone in a different year wouldn't have met, we wouldn't have had dance, allegro, all of the things that I think we've all become, the whole enterprising thing probably wouldn't have been nurtured.
12:26
Yvonne Ng: We were also very lucky and fortunate.
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Yvonne Ng: Fortunate that when we wanted to do what we wanted to do the department they either were really going I don't know if this is going to work for them, but we're going to encourage them or we're just going to sit back and see how it all goes.
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Yvonne Ng: But do you know what I mean?
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Lisa Hopkins: Like we were very fortunate that the department was didn't say no, I mean you've had an incredible career.
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Lisa Hopkins: I mean, yeah, we had a really cool start.
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Lisa Hopkins: But look what you've done.
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Lisa Hopkins: Like, are you able to sort of acknowledge, like tell, tell, you know, Yvonne and Lisa and Carrie, back when we're sitting on the floor in the studio, you know, in 1987 or whenever that was, you know holy shit.
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Lisa Hopkins: Like look, look what I did.
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Lisa Hopkins: I mean, I mean, what would you?
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Lisa Hopkins: What's going on there?
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Lisa Hopkins: Like, what are you really proud of?
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Yvonne Ng: oh.
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Lisa Hopkins: I'm proud of you.
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Lisa Hopkins: I mean where I'm sitting it's.
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Lisa Hopkins: I mean I'm not surprised at all.
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Lisa Hopkins: You know, I remember people always saying oh you know, your friend Yvonne is doing really well in the scene and in Canada.
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Lisa Hopkins: I go, yeah'm not surprised, you know, but what surprised you?
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Lisa Hopkins: Or what you know?
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Lisa Hopkins: Talk to me a little bit about that journey.
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Yvonne Ng: It's a journey that's hard to talk about because you're still kind of on that journey.
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Yvonne Ng: I, I think it's.
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Yvonne Ng: You know, sometimes I I think it's because I'm not quite the planner.
13:50
Yvonne Ng: I may be the like.
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Yvonne Ng: I like organizing things and making sure once I, you know, once certain things are decided on, I can plan, but I'm not like a long term planner.
14:02
Yvonne Ng: I don't have huge expectations.
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Yvonne Ng: You know people.
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Yvonne Ng: So I've always, I am kind of curious about now, only now, am I curious about this whole idea, about you say it and you manifest it and then it becomes the, the dream and the reality.
14:18
Yvonne Ng: I've never done that.
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Yvonne Ng: I've never sort of sat and went oh, I want this career for myself, I'm gonna manifest it no, you just did it yeah me too.
14:30
Lisa Hopkins: I I get that.
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Yvonne Ng: I understand, I relate to that, I get that yeah, okay, good, because I always feel like an imposter, because it feels like you know, like the, the, what's it?
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Yvonne Ng: Uh, then there's a phrase, like all the, the chant and the mantra is about you know, manifesting your life and your dream into reality.
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Yvonne Ng: It's like I just didn't.
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Yvonne Ng: I think I knew, I knew I loved to dance.
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Yvonne Ng: I knew I still love to dance.
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Yvonne Ng: I know that I'm the happiest when there's a sense of engagement.
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Yvonne Ng: You know whether it's it's mostly within the studio, but if, if not within the studio, in and amongst the people that I have that are close to me, near and far.
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Yvonne Ng: And the one thing that you said is also it's also been a part of my life is that I never think that people it's also been a part of my life is that I never think that people, my friendships with people, kind of peter off.
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Yvonne Ng: I think of it as waxing and waning.
15:39
Yvonne Ng: Yeah, you know so.
15:41
Yvonne Ng: So, um, on that side note, it's like I have friends that I I'm still friends with, with friends that I've known since I was four.
15:51
Yvonne Ng: Yeah, we're still in contact.
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Yvonne Ng: We pick whenever we see each other, just like this, we pick up like it never, like the time, never you know, there was no time in between.
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Yvonne Ng: And yet I think I I think I'm also not unrealistic in the sense that I don't.
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Yvonne Ng: I know that we've all lived different lives and we may not have a lot in common.
16:14
Yvonne Ng: Like you know, I don't have a lot in common with some of my school friends.
16:17
Yvonne Ng: I know I have more in common with you.
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Yvonne Ng: You know, with most of my university friends I have way more in common with but that's no strike against my primary school, kindergarten, primary school and secondary school friends.
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Yvonne Ng: I've known people since primary school all the way through secondary school, kindergarten, primary school and secondary school.
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Yvonne Ng: I've known people since primary school all the way through secondary school 16 years and we all went to the same.
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Yvonne Ng: And now when we see each other, yeah, but we are all.
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Yvonne Ng: It's not like we have hugely different values, but we probably have different values.
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Yvonne Ng: But when I look back I think it's just sort of my attitude towards life.
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Yvonne Ng: But I don't have like one big, like motto that says, oh, this is how you should live your life and this is how it will be.
17:01
Yvonne Ng: I think I always think I'm an optimistic, pessimist.
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Yvonne Ng: That's how I see my life and I've been.
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Yvonne Ng: Yeah, work ethic, I guess you know I do treasure the people that have been a part of my life, like yourself.
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Yvonne Ng: Yeah, I don't know, I don't know how to talk about my journey, except I do feel that I'm okay to dive into things.
17:34
Yvonne Ng: I think maybe that's it.
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Yvonne Ng: I never look back to think how come I've led the life that I've led.
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Yvonne Ng: I think I'm good with saying yes to things.
17:43
Yvonne Ng: I'm pretty open to saying yes to things and I'll dive deep.
17:48
Yvonne Ng: I mean, after I say yes to things, I go, oh God, why did I say yes?
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Yvonne Ng: But then I'm like too late, should have thought about it before.
17:55
Yvonne Ng: You did that.
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Yvonne Ng: Um, yeah, and then yeah, I guess it's committing as well after you say yes.
18:02
Yvonne Ng: So I guess I'm not sure how you would explain that, but I don't have like a leading um philosophy that I kind of, or some philosophy that I live by.
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Yvonne Ng: Yeah, no ups, sorry, no ups that stand out the most I guess living oh, you know what maybe is the is the fact that Canada said yes to me.
18:28
Lisa Hopkins: That Canada said yes to you.
18:29
Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, fair enough Fair enough.
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Yvonne Ng: Yeah, canada said yes to you.
18:30
Yvonne Ng: Yeah, fair enough Fair enough, yeah, but probably that's the biggest high, you know, and then my X is the low, but then the low can become a high, you know, and then everything else in between.
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Yvonne Ng: I think it's us all just working at it.
18:50
Lisa Hopkins: No, no, but it tracks based on what I know about you, because it's sort of coming back to light this sort of you're not.
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Lisa Hopkins: You're not analytical or you don't want to be analytical.
19:04
Lisa Hopkins: I think you probably are analytical, um, but I don't think that's a space that you like per se to be in.
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Lisa Hopkins: You prefer just to be in it.
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Lisa Hopkins: You prefer to be trying the movement, if you want, or or you know, in the rehearsal.
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Lisa Hopkins: As opposed to talking about being in the rehearsal or reviewing how the rehearsal went.
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Lisa Hopkins: You just like being in the rehearsal.
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Lisa Hopkins: Is that right?
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Yvonne Ng: yes, yeah, yeah, and it's not like I'm opposed to debriefing or prepping.
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Yvonne Ng: I love both ends of it.
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Yvonne Ng: But I think the experience that's probably why I'm, you know like, I love movement and I feel like movement is the largest and the most important language that we have, you know like, no, yeah in our bodies helps me understand who I am and my relationship to the world and also, in a way, the world is and not like the way that the world has to be right.
19:55
Yvonne Ng: It's not that, but it allows me to respect what's happening around in and around the world and try to have generosity and generosity and sensitivity to what's happening but how does, how does judgment show up for you?
20:11
Lisa Hopkins: I'm curious, both internally and externally, like what's the balance there for you?
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Yvonne Ng: uh, experience in life, yeah, and I think that's also depends on the situation.
20:24
Yvonne Ng: Depending on the situation, whether you know, uh, god, that's, that's kind of broad, so I have to find a situation.
20:32
Yvonne Ng: It's really a situational sort of scenario.
20:35
Lisa Hopkins: But do you tend to default to judgment when you don't understand something Most of us do, right, most of us do.
20:42
Lisa Hopkins: And I use judgment broadly, I'm not saying judgment like oh, that's horrible, or in that kind of thing, more like where we, where we file it right, where we suddenly go oh gosh, yeah.
20:53
Yvonne Ng: Yeah, we probably you know what I probably do.
20:56
Yvonne Ng: I probably would not always proud of that, depending on where it lives and lies, and then I have to revisit it and also, I think it's also, and it's a hard one.
21:11
Yvonne Ng: It's a hard one because of egos, where sometimes you have to admit to yourself that you know that you've made that mistake and you should take it out and move it somewhere else or re-examine it.
21:21
Lisa Hopkins: But, yeah, yes, but you probably, based on what you've told me, have a really good relationship with if things go wrong, because you have experience having learned a.
21:33
Lisa Hopkins: With if things go wrong because you you have experience having learned a lot from things going wrong, like when you talked about your lowest right, your lowest moment, which is is, you know, not often something someone wouldn't want to think about, right, they're like thank god it's gone, but you're able to trans, you know, transmit or transform that into no.
21:51
Lisa Hopkins: That was actually probably my biggest learning moment and that was a big opening for me.
21:55
Lisa Hopkins: So it would make sense that when something potentially negative comes your way, that you don't immediately recoil, but that you kind of go okay, like you're strong in yourself, right, because you've learned a lot.
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Yvonne Ng: Yeah, yeah, I wish I could say I don't immediately recoil, but that's not true.
22:15
Yvonne Ng: I do all of that.
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Yvonne Ng: I feel like sometimes, when those things happen, I'm like the injured animal that likes to hide in the bush and take care of itself.
22:23
Yvonne Ng: I do that, but I know that that can't be permanent and I know that few things.
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Yvonne Ng: I know that I can be better than myself.
22:34
Yvonne Ng: Yep, whatever that is at that moment and that time in that year or whatever, so that it's not to always learn from.
22:42
Yvonne Ng: But it's the building blocks.
22:44
Yvonne Ng: Yeah, right, I can't pretend that it never happened, right, it happened so, but it's a building block.
22:50
Yvonne Ng: And what?
22:51
Yvonne Ng: What do I do with it?
22:51
Yvonne Ng: I can make that block stronger, you know, or I can, can crush it and dust it, but it's still.
22:57
Yvonne Ng: It needs to be an act, right?
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Yvonne Ng: So even if I crush it, it still has to.
23:01
Yvonne Ng: I guess it's the intention of what I'm going to do with all that, of that situation, the experience and the choices that I made at that time, the choices that I made at that time.
23:10
Lisa Hopkins: What lights you up?
23:11
Lisa Hopkins: I know you from the other end, right, I know you from being my muse, but it sounds like now you've created a lot of things where you're working with other people who may or may not be your muses, or at least bringing some of your visions to light.
23:23
Lisa Hopkins: So I'm curious to know if I were working with you, what would I expect?
23:29
Lisa Hopkins: What kind of environment would you provide?
23:30
Lisa Hopkins: What kind of environment would you provide?
23:33
Lisa Hopkins: What kind of work do you get excited to do?
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Yvonne Ng: I have to lay those foundations on the folks that I danced for or danced with, including yourself.
23:47
Yvonne Ng: So, creating the environment has I've had good experiences.
23:52
Yvonne Ng: Creating the environment has I've had good experiences.
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Yvonne Ng: I've had not so good ones, but then you learn from that of.
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Yvonne Ng: You know, like, what do you not want to create for the?
24:00
Yvonne Ng: You know for yourself the conditions of the room, the conditions of the space.
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Yvonne Ng: Each time, I tend to do things that scare me.
24:06
Yvonne Ng: I don't know why, and I don't mean to do that consciously and I don't mean to do that consciously.
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Yvonne Ng: I tend to become interested in how things are interpreted through language, not just physical, but spoken.
24:25
Yvonne Ng: I'm interested in how we are as humans, individually, from where we are, where we are now, where we came from.
24:32
Yvonne Ng: I've come to terms with which is part of my process as well that I'm always rehashing my original idea.
24:47
Yvonne Ng: So you know, we always go in and go.
24:50
Yvonne Ng: I've got a great idea.
24:51
Yvonne Ng: I've never done this before.
24:51
Yvonne Ng: And then, if you think for and if, if you know, if I give myself a moment to contemplate it, I go oh, wait a minute.
24:56
Yvonne Ng: Yeah, I think I did that kind of in a different form, but very similar.
25:00
Yvonne Ng: So I've also, uh.
25:03
Yvonne Ng: And then, you know, in the past I would just, like you know, slap myself and like, no, let's not do that, you know, and uh.
25:09
Yvonne Ng: But I've also started to learn to embrace that as well as a way of learning, because, you know, maybe the way out is to keep doing it until you get out.
25:20
Yvonne Ng: And then, lo and behold, you have a different way of thinking.
25:23
Yvonne Ng: I don't know, so I'm still discovering.
25:26
Yvonne Ng: I think mostly I feel like an imposter, but I think, you know, I don't think I'm the only one.
25:33
Yvonne Ng: It's not an original thought.
25:35
Yvonne Ng: I think a lot of people feel that.
25:36
Yvonne Ng: But I, you know, like I do whenever I facilitate class or anything, I always feel like an imposter.
25:41
Yvonne Ng: But whenever I enter a studio and you know, I brought people into work for me as dancers or other collaborators I do feel like an imposter.
25:49
Yvonne Ng: There's so much to discover.
25:50
Yvonne Ng: Every time I think I know something, or not even know something, but barely know something.
25:55
Yvonne Ng: I learned something else.
25:56
Yvonne Ng: Yeah, and it always surprises me, and I'm sure you've had that too but even as a dancer, dancing for other people, aside from even making work, is that every time you perform, or it's being performed or the piece is being performed by others, you learn something else, yep, your interaction with it, your behavior in it, your performance in it.
26:21
Yvonne Ng: It's just kind of it's so expansive and so multi-dimensional, right, and it sounds so zany, but it is.
26:34
Yvonne Ng: It is like I always think it's possible, you know, and I, and I believe that it is possible, and people I know I'm not the only one you know so I kind of am thankful for that the imposter syndrome piece.
26:55
Lisa Hopkins: you know, I don't think imposter syndrome is a bad thing.
26:57
Lisa Hopkins: I think that's a.
26:58
Lisa Hopkins: I think it's a sign that you're you're playing in a place where you're challenging yourself so that you can learn and that you can honor your values.
27:07
Lisa Hopkins: So, of course, you're an imposter because you're probably doing something you haven't done before I mean not when you're teaching a class, but it's that same energy, right?
27:14
Lisa Hopkins: Which is that you've never taught that class before.
27:17
Lisa Hopkins: So I really get this sense that you were very much.
27:20
Lisa Hopkins: And it circles beautifully into our segues, beautifully into our, you know, sounds like that's living in the moment.
27:27
Lisa Hopkins: You know, living in the moment is like the tagline of the podcast, right?
27:33
Lisa Hopkins: I mean, is that?
27:33
Lisa Hopkins: Is there anything else you'd like to add about what living in the moment means to you?
27:36
Yvonne Ng: I've been kind of thinking about this lately.
27:38
Yvonne Ng: It's so funny you brought this up living in the moment.
27:40
Yvonne Ng: Living in the moment is also forgiving myself when I have like, as they would say, monkey mind you know and and embracing that.
27:52
Yvonne Ng: Or living in the moment is when I don't know what the heck I'm doing and and I have these self doubts.
28:01
Yvonne Ng: It's allowing myself to be in those places too, because I think we I think we are also in a place where we're selling this idea of living in the moment as if it's some magical thing.
28:16
Yvonne Ng: But I really think that living in the moment is what that might be.
28:21
Yvonne Ng: It could be very busy or it could be very quiet, it could be really nothing, it could be a lot of fear and and and I know that, yeah, because maybe I'm misinterpreting like you know all the stuff that I see out there.
28:38
Yvonne Ng: But you know, the whole living in the moment always seems like it has to be like the zen, this what we call zen.
28:43
Yvonne Ng: So I do this because you know the zen quiet like this hum, but sometimes we have a brain.
28:52
Yvonne Ng: The brain doesn't stop thinking.
28:54
Yvonne Ng: It's such a task to keep it quiet and it's possible.
28:59
Yvonne Ng: And those moments come when all the yeah.
29:04
Yvonne Ng: I find that those moments come, particularly in the studio, when things are coming together and it feels like this you know sort of yeah, alignment, yeah, I don't even think it's a quiet, it's like an alignment, it's just yeah, yeah.
29:26
Lisa Hopkins: I love that.
29:26
Lisa Hopkins: I love that.
29:27
Lisa Hopkins: I mean, I agree with you.
29:29
Lisa Hopkins: I don't think living in the moment needs to connotate being quiet or stopping or meditating or any of those things.
29:38
Lisa Hopkins: However, I do think that, because the moments are always there and we're always in, we're to be living in, we are we are living in in many moments, and and for me I think it's the awareness piece, I think it's it's the gold is when, no matter what it is, whether it's good, bad, ugly or otherwise, or quiet or loud or whatever that you, that you're aware that that's where you are and that's only where you are, and that's okay.
30:10
Lisa Hopkins: There's no judgment, but it's just, it's just living in the moment.
30:16
Lisa Hopkins: It just makes everything richer.
30:18
Lisa Hopkins: I mean, it might make a fight louder or it might make the negative stronger, but the awareness piece allows you, I think, to sort of I don't know if you want be the observer of yourself too, right.
30:29
Lisa Hopkins: So that's where the quote unquote stop happens, right, which is when you realize that you know we're just going like this and you know there's no judgment about what this is, but you can actually look at it too and go, this is just, this is a moment, let's, you know, let's kind of bring it all together, right, instead of being all over the place.
30:51
Lisa Hopkins: And it's and again, not that being all over the place isn't also a moment Like we feel like that, like you said, all the time.
30:58
Lisa Hopkins: You know what I'm saying, yeah, yeah.
31:00
Lisa Hopkins: So I think it's awareness, I think, literally I think yeah.
31:05
Yvonne Ng: Yeah, I do agree, you're right.
31:07
Yvonne Ng: Yeah, yeah, yes, it is that awareness and it's allowing for that to be okay.
31:13
Yvonne Ng: Yeah, because I think that allows us to really embrace, you know, and but actually to God and now I'm going to repeat, to actually be living at that time whatever it needs and requires, we can give it all our attention right as well.
31:33
Yvonne Ng: Yeah, and yeah, yeah.
31:37
Lisa Hopkins: Or we can take no action on it.
31:38
Lisa Hopkins: I mean, I think it's right, I mean I think I think that's what we do is that we were always making these quick, quick actions, judgments, decisions, thoughts, and then we act, react.
31:50
Lisa Hopkins: You know, the thought causes an emotion, the emotion causes an action and I think the awareness piece is just to have the awareness period awareness without judgment, awareness without analyzing, awareness, just that.
32:03
Lisa Hopkins: I have awareness right now exactly yeah yeah, and I also.
32:10
Yvonne Ng: It's also kind of leads to this idea of because I think this is becoming popular too is that this idea of letting go right, the this piece of letting go and and you know it's funny the living in the moment, that moment, and the awareness, noticing what you like, you know, you notice and just and and just being aware of what's around is so much, um, principal concept of that of open source forms and letting go as well, that's.
32:38
Yvonne Ng: But, you can also take it to the extreme.
32:40
Yvonne Ng: Well it is.
32:41
Yvonne Ng: And yet, at the same time, sometimes we take all these sound bites and make it like a thing oh yeah, the only way to live is to let.
32:49
Lisa Hopkins: Oh, yeah, oh yes, so.
32:52
Yvonne Ng: So I kind of the same thing of you know.
32:54
Yvonne Ng: I may have forgiven, you know all those different aspects, you know from the lowest point in my life, but I am not going to forget.
33:03
Yvonne Ng: It doesn't mean I'm not letting go, I am, I've let it go.
33:07
Yvonne Ng: But not forgetting is not to use it as ammunition, but it's as a building block and it doesn't mean that it has to just be there.
33:15
Yvonne Ng: But it's something that I am not going to, I'm not I'm aware of, and it's something that I am not going to, I'm not I'm aware of and something I can tap into if I'm feeling really low.
33:25
Yvonne Ng: It's like look I, I had resilience, look, I can still.
33:27
Yvonne Ng: You know, maybe I'm a little tired today, whatever, but the letting go, I know, is something that's coming up over and over and over.
33:34
Yvonne Ng: I hear it all the time now and it's also making me nervous, this idea of letting go, particularly since, particularly as I I think we're also in a place where, you know, um, my, our elders are passing, so we're kind of dealing with their physical and um, their physical, their physicalness and their belongings and also our attachments to it and how we're you, you know, but the yeah and and I know people are kind of throwing it around like oh let go, let go.
34:06
Yvonne Ng: It's like yeah but, there's wisdom is what I'm kind of trying to lead to is that you're?
34:12
Yvonne Ng: having a sense of wisdom.
34:15
Yvonne Ng: It's making the yeah, having the wisdom to make choices, of knowing what choice to make when like the type of choices that you have to make.
34:25
Yvonne Ng: Sorry, that's what I'm trying to get at and that's that's a hard one, because not everybody is.
34:29
Yvonne Ng: It's hard to be wise wisdom is a result.
34:32
Lisa Hopkins: It's not.
34:33
Lisa Hopkins: It's not really, it's not really a verb yeah you know what I mean.
34:37
Lisa Hopkins: I mean it's a result of experience and and of not being attached not a lot of experience and still not very wise, but yes, yes yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true.
34:49
Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, that's true.
34:49
Lisa Hopkins: It's so interesting.
34:50
Lisa Hopkins: There's a, there's a little chapter in my book about that, about flow and about this whole kind of what you're saying about like there's a whole industry made around, like what flow is supposed to be.
35:00
Lisa Hopkins: I'm with you on the way things get thrown around, but I will let that go, because that's going to happen when people try to capitalize on something which you know, which is actually ancient wisdom, but that has been turned into, you know, into commerce.
35:16
Lisa Hopkins: So there's a you know, for me in my work that's definitely there's a real distinction there.
35:21
Lisa Hopkins: That's really important.
35:23
Lisa Hopkins: But I realized that if I just connect to my values, my true values, and continue on without any sort of caveats of oh, but that's not me, but rather just be me, that I will attract the clients.
35:35
Lisa Hopkins: I will attract the, you know, the people that listen to what I say as something that resonates with them and therefore it becomes.
35:43
Lisa Hopkins: It becomes their wisdom, if you want, not mine, but but it becomes.
35:47
Lisa Hopkins: You know it's.
35:47
Lisa Hopkins: It's like dance, it's like it's like when we, you know, I get this movement comes out of me, but then it becomes, it's synthesis, right, you?
35:55
Lisa Hopkins: Then you dance it.
35:56
Lisa Hopkins: It becomes something different.
35:57
Lisa Hopkins: And then someone sees you dance it, then you dance it, it becomes something different.
36:01
Lisa Hopkins: And then someone sees you dance it, it becomes something different again.
36:03
Lisa Hopkins: And when I see someone seeing you, you know, dancing, my thing, like it just keeps going forever and that's beautiful, right, that's the infinite nature, I think, of, well, of everything.
36:16
Lisa Hopkins: I mean dances.
36:17
Lisa Hopkins: You know, we can talk about dance because we, that's our language.
36:18
Lisa Hopkins: I mean there is something beautiful and primal, obviously, about what we do as dancers that nobody can take away from us.
36:26
Lisa Hopkins: I mean, I don't dance every day.
36:27
Lisa Hopkins: Well, I dance kind of for myself every day, but I don't, you know, like it's not part of my routine per se, but it's such a big part of me and it'll never go away.
36:38
Lisa Hopkins: You know it's, uh, I know that like I, you know, even when I, where I stand somewhere or some people, just say, wow, you know, you have a physicality, right, but it's, it's, it's a groundedness, right, it's a.
36:50
Lisa Hopkins: It's not a carriage, it's, but it's, it's a centeredness.
36:54
Lisa Hopkins: At least, that's what I came away from, that's what I'm so grateful for with dance, because it's rooted in my, in my gut, in my body, in my heart, in my soul, in my mind in all of it, you know.
37:08
Yvonne Ng: Yes, I do know, Of course, you do All that, all that.
37:12
Yvonne Ng: Say that for me.
37:13
Yvonne Ng: Yes, it is, but I do believe in all of that, yeah.
37:17
Lisa Hopkins: All right.
37:17
Lisa Hopkins: So how do you?
37:17
Lisa Hopkins: How do you recharge Huh, how do you recharge Huh?
37:22
Yvonne Ng: How do I recharge?
37:24
Lisa Hopkins: Yeah.
37:27
Yvonne Ng: I sleep, for sure.
37:29
Yvonne Ng: I recharge by sleeping.
37:32
Yvonne Ng: I recharge by giving myself time.
37:34
Yvonne Ng: I recharge by also not telling people that I give myself time.
37:38
Yvonne Ng: But I know I give myself time.
37:41
Yvonne Ng: You know there's this whole idea of like, oh, you should just learn to say no, I can't do this or this or that.
37:48
Yvonne Ng: And then you know you feel guilty.
37:50
Yvonne Ng: I do say no, but I also do just keep my time to myself so that I don't have to explain myself.
38:02
Yvonne Ng: So I do give back to myself.
38:04
Yvonne Ng: That's how I recharge.
38:06
Yvonne Ng: And then what happens in those moments or those times are just resting, resting and I sleep.
38:18
Yvonne Ng: I really try and sleep.
38:20
Yvonne Ng: I can sleep within seven minutes of laying down.
38:24
Lisa Hopkins: You're lucky.
38:26
Yvonne Ng: Yeah, I know Sorry.
38:28
Lisa Hopkins: I wish I could do that.
38:29
Yvonne Ng: Really, oh, I give a lot of time to myself to do the whatever, whether it's reading, meditation, being outside hikes, gardens yeah, but but don't tell anybody.
38:46
Yvonne Ng: Cut this, I'm kidding, I'm joking.
38:47
Yvonne Ng: So you can leave this part in so I do give billy.
38:51
Lisa Hopkins: She's very, very busy.
38:52
Lisa Hopkins: She doesn't do any of those things, she only works.
38:54
Lisa Hopkins: She says yes to everything.
38:56
Yvonne Ng: You're so funny but you know, I've also known that in order for me to rest is also to do it privately yep right, I think that's what it is, so I don't make a pronouncement of like I need to sit in the morning, I need to this.
39:12
Yvonne Ng: I you know I I will um, dance, workout and do all of those things, but it's my private time, that I don't feel any obligation to share with folks.
39:25
Yvonne Ng: But I think it's not because I'm selfish or anything, but I feel like it allows me to really rest because of that, or to rejuvenate, or to fill up, because it's a combination right.
39:36
Yvonne Ng: It's like to rest, to rejuvenate, to refresh, to rethink, to contemplate, to be bored.
39:40
Yvonne Ng: I also like to sit to rejuvenate, to refresh, to rethink, to contemplate, to be bored.
39:41
Lisa Hopkins: I also like to sit and just stare let me ask you I've never asked anybody this.
39:44
Lisa Hopkins: Usually I ask people.
39:47
Lisa Hopkins: Most people think that yvonne is, but the truth is.
39:51
Lisa Hopkins: But I'm not going to ask you that.
39:52
Lisa Hopkins: I'm going to ask you to finish this phrase at the end of the day.
39:57
Lisa Hopkins: I know.
40:04
Yvonne Ng: Oh, at the end of the day, I know that I have a home to go to.
40:14
Yvonne Ng: At the end of the day, I know I have myself to come home to.
40:24
Yvonne Ng: At the end of the day, it all kind of goes back like this it's okay, don't analyze it, just keep saying it.
40:28
Yvonne Ng: Keep doing it At the end of the day, I know I can sit in my backyard and be quiet.
40:35
Yvonne Ng: At the end of the day, I'm also really it's taken me a while, but it's but it's been the last I would say 10 years that I can be all right with the fact that, um, I can be.
40:54
Yvonne Ng: I'm all right with the fact that I need a lot of quiet time and I can come home.
41:00
Yvonne Ng: Oh boy, at the end of the day, I know I can go in my fridge and pull up a glass of wine too, and, yeah, I don't know Whenever I think of that, I think at the end of the day, I think I know I can always come back home to me in a way, whatever that is metaphorically, I know.
41:18
Yvonne Ng: I can always come back home to me in a way, whatever that is metaphorically, because I think one of the things that I have recognized for myself and also embrace most people think that I'm always buzzing around, but it kind of ties back to what I do when I need to refresh is that I'm not hugely social.
41:39
Yvonne Ng: I'm not an extrovert as I think most people think I am.
41:44
Yvonne Ng: I need a lot of downtime and I think that's why I'm always okay to have my downtime as my own time and I never feel guilty to take that.
41:59
Yvonne Ng: So yeah, I don't know what would yours be At the end of the day, Lisa Hopkins.
42:10
Lisa Hopkins: At the end of the day, I know that I will have done the best I can.
42:21
Yvonne Ng: That's amazing.
42:23
Lisa Hopkins: And it doesn't always look the same, and that's okay.
42:27
Yvonne Ng: Yeah, I like your answer better Because it's so true.
42:32
Lisa Hopkins: You can take my answer.
42:33
Lisa Hopkins: You can take my answer, I can take your answer.
42:34
Yvonne Ng: Okay, at the end of the day, well, I guess it is true, but you know, I don't know when my day ends because my day is always different.
42:44
Yvonne Ng: So I think that's partly it too.
42:48
Lisa Hopkins: OK, but you're analyzing it good, because I mean, think of it metaphorically right At the end of the day.
42:51
Yvonne Ng: Yeah, I know After all is said.
42:53
Lisa Hopkins: Maybe it'd be easier, you know, after all is said and done.
42:57
Yvonne Ng: Yeah, after all is said and done.
42:59
Lisa Hopkins: Yeah, do you know?
42:59
Yvonne Ng: what was really beautiful.
43:00
Yvonne Ng: I'm going to pause there, okay.
43:01
Yvonne Ng: Yes, you know what?
43:02
Lisa Hopkins: was really beautiful is before you started analyzing it all, like when you really started saying it, before you started saying before there were caveats.
43:11
Lisa Hopkins: Yes, your energy shifted completely.
43:14
Lisa Hopkins: You were very centered, you actually physically went there.
43:16
Lisa Hopkins: It was really beautiful, very centered you actually physically?
43:19
Lisa Hopkins: Went there.
43:20
Lisa Hopkins: It was really beautiful.
43:20
Yvonne Ng: I just want to point that out.
43:22
Yvonne Ng: Oh, thank you, but then your brain came in.
43:23
Yvonne Ng: Yes, I know Like it's yeah, so sometimes take the time you need.
43:25
Lisa Hopkins: Even you know what.
43:25
Lisa Hopkins: If I, if you were my client, I would say take the time that you need.
43:30
Lisa Hopkins: You know that time that you do give yourself, and I want to honor you for that, because that's amazing.
43:43
Lisa Hopkins: You know what you need and you take it.
43:44
Lisa Hopkins: That's great.
43:45
Lisa Hopkins: You don't like that.
43:45
Lisa Hopkins: Maybe you have to sneak around and do it or whatever.
43:46
Lisa Hopkins: I get that, but at the end of the day, you do do it, and so I want to honor you for that.
43:48
Lisa Hopkins: But what I, what I would encourage you to do, is to apply that, not in such a uh, only to just like at the end of the day or physically like that, but like in in a conversation or or like take the time you need Buzz if you want to buzz, but don't buzz if just because you do.
44:08
Lisa Hopkins: You know what I mean.
44:09
Yvonne Ng: Yeah, I do Like seriously.
44:11
Lisa Hopkins: You deserve that, you know we all deserve that and things will shift if you do that.
44:18
Lisa Hopkins: Things will shift for you and certainly for others, because they're so used to seeing you a certain way.
44:22
Lisa Hopkins: But you know how to do that for yourself.
44:25
Lisa Hopkins: But do that for yourself in context with others.
44:28
Lisa Hopkins: For you, though not for them for you, and see what happens.
44:32
Lisa Hopkins: That's what I would say to you.
44:35
Yvonne Ng: Okay, I'm taking it in and I'm looking at you now.
44:39
Yvonne Ng: Thank you, yeah, you're welcome.
44:40
Lisa Hopkins: Okay, I'm taking it in and I'm looking at you now.
44:41
Lisa Hopkins: Thank you, yeah, you're welcome.
44:42
Lisa Hopkins: Okay, I'm going to say what makes you, and then I'm going to say one word, and then you say whatever comes to mind.
44:47
Lisa Hopkins: There's no right or wrong.
44:49
Lisa Hopkins: There's no right or wrong.
44:51
Yvonne Ng: There is until until.
44:53
Yvonne Ng: Okay, yes, go ahead.
44:54
Yvonne Ng: There's no right or wrong.
44:57
Lisa Hopkins: It's a game.
44:58
Lisa Hopkins: I know you don't like games.
44:59
Lisa Hopkins: There's's no winning or losing, so it's not even a game, it's just.
45:02
Lisa Hopkins: It just is what it is.
45:03
Lisa Hopkins: So make it whatever you want it to be okay.
45:06
Lisa Hopkins: So you can use space if you want.
45:08
Lisa Hopkins: You can do rapid fire if you want, you can just say this is stupid.
45:11
Lisa Hopkins: If you want, you can do whatever you want.
45:12
Lisa Hopkins: So what makes you?
45:14
Lisa Hopkins: What makes you hungry?
45:20
Yvonne Ng: The meal that I'm eating.
45:23
Lisa Hopkins: Fair.
45:23
Lisa Hopkins: What makes you sad?
45:28
Yvonne Ng: People's judgment, you know yeah.
45:33
Lisa Hopkins: What inspires you?
45:36
Yvonne Ng: People.
45:38
Lisa Hopkins: What frustrates you?
45:40
Yvonne Ng: It's all wrapped in one.
45:41
Lisa Hopkins: It's all wrapped in one.
45:42
Yvonne Ng: I include myself in it too, right.
45:44
Lisa Hopkins: Like I frustrate myself.
45:46
Yvonne Ng: I can't.
45:47
Yvonne Ng: Sometimes I slap myself for thinking the things that I've been trying to like.
45:50
Yvonne Ng: You know, shift, yeah, but it's human and it's you know, it's a learning game.
45:57
Lisa Hopkins: What makes you laugh?
46:00
Yvonne Ng: Oh people, what makes you laugh?
46:02
Yvonne Ng: Oh, oh people, uh, uh.
46:06
Yvonne Ng: What makes me laugh?
46:07
Yvonne Ng: Um, living things, really, like you know, people, usually little kids, uh, I don't know comedy, many things make me laugh.
46:20
Yvonne Ng: Actually, what makes you?
46:21
Yvonne Ng: Angry opening the news to that the aggravation of I you know, and sometimes even myself, haven't we learned?
46:31
Yvonne Ng: Haven't I learned long enough?
46:33
Yvonne Ng: Why do I keep um, reverting back to this, so you know, I can say that safely.
46:38
Yvonne Ng: I can say that about what I see around us sometimes too.
46:42
Yvonne Ng: Yeah, um, yeah, that's what.
46:45
Lisa Hopkins: Yeah yeah, and finally, what are you grateful for?
46:50
Yvonne Ng: oh, the life that I'm living.
46:58
Yvonne Ng: I don't know any other thing.
47:00
Yvonne Ng: So I am grateful that I am, for the thinking talking blob that I am and the potential and possibility that I get to meet and be with, and even myself.
47:20
Yvonne Ng: You know, know all of it.
47:22
Yvonne Ng: That's exciting.
47:23
Yvonne Ng: I always find that exciting possibilities.
47:25
Yvonne Ng: Uh, did I?
47:29
Lisa Hopkins: did I?
47:29
Lisa Hopkins: So what are the top three things that happened so far today?
47:33
Yvonne Ng: eating my breakfast, like I'm always amazed at how, how fortunate I am to wake up and go.
47:39
Yvonne Ng: I got food.
47:40
Yvonne Ng: Yeah, you know, um.
47:42
Yvonne Ng: And uh, another thing.
47:44
Yvonne Ng: Okay, this is, uh, sorry, not that flushing a toilet, because yesterday happened to be world toilet day, so you never really think about it.
47:55
Yvonne Ng: But you know, um, talking to you that's not three, there's more.
47:59
Yvonne Ng: Talking to you is three.
48:01
Yvonne Ng: In talking to you, the flood of good memories of the time that we had.
48:09
Yvonne Ng: That was joyful, not to say that it wasn't hard and it didn't come with its ups and downs.
48:14
Yvonne Ng: We all had that in our life right together, had that in our life right together.
48:26
Yvonne Ng: But looking back, I would say that yeah, um, you know being we were, I don't know.
48:27
Yvonne Ng: I always think that I'm really fortunate that I got into the, into york the time that I did.
48:30
Yvonne Ng: It could have been any other year, but I didn't get into, you know, the year that was before us or the year after us.
48:37
Yvonne Ng: We got into our year and we're all still friends yeah and I can't I don't know if it's just all of us wanting to, because it's effort, effort in what we have to make the effort.
48:51
Yvonne Ng: But you know, I'm still friends with different people.
48:55
Yvonne Ng: I think that yeah, so so that's also a top thing that's happened.
49:00
Yvonne Ng: So thank you for that, thank you for the invitation.
49:04
Lisa Hopkins: And what's something that you're looking forward to today, and then also what's something you're looking forward to in the future.
49:11
Yvonne Ng: Well, later today I am going to connect with someone who used to work with us.
49:17
Yvonne Ng: So it's nice to catch up.
49:20
Yvonne Ng: A yorkie, oh cool.
49:22
Yvonne Ng: Yeah, so also nice to see where they're at.
49:25
Yvonne Ng: They're younger than us, so it's I'm excited to see, to see her, just because, yeah, I know that she's she's kind of moved on and she's got big things in life and so it's kind of it's always great, yeah.
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Yvonne Ng: Yeah, their lives have grown and changed and I'm like, yay, so I am looking forward to that.
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Yvonne Ng: Yeah, I'm looking forward to in the future.
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Yvonne Ng: Oh boy, that's a whole long-term thing.
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Yvonne Ng: I guess short-term future is probably I love Christmas.
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Yvonne Ng: I don't know if you know this, but I love Christmas.
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Yvonne Ng: And I know that I celebrate Christmas just because I happen to be born into Catholicism.
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Yvonne Ng: Is that how you use Catholicism?
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Yvonne Ng: Yes, so I'm not a good practicing religious person, but I like the pageantry, I like the coming together, I like the excuse of coming together Nice, and so I am looking forward to that, because it's also going to be a break as well.
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Lisa Hopkins: Yeah.
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Yvonne Ng: So people's brains tend to wind down, so it's a lovely time to connect with many people.
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Yvonne Ng: They seem to have space.
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Yvonne Ng: People seem to have space for each other.
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Lisa Hopkins: Yeah.
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Yvonne Ng: So, even if it's once a year, so I kind of look forward to that.
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Lisa Hopkins: I cannot thank you enough for taking the time to talk to me today.
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Lisa Hopkins: Really it's been really special, truly.
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Yvonne Ng: It's been very special for me too and I'm really so grateful that, like you know, invited me, because it's been a while.
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Yvonne Ng: It's really been amazing just reconnecting with you.
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Yvonne Ng: It feels the same and yet different I agree, it's a new chapter.
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Lisa Hopkins: I've been speaking today with yvonne ung.
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Lisa Hopkins: Thanks so much for listening.
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Lisa Hopkins: Stay safe and healthy, everyone, and remember to live in the moment.
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Lisa Hopkins: In music, stop time is that beautiful moment where the band is suspended in rhythmic unison, supporting the soloist to express their individuality In the moment.
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Lisa Hopkins: I encourage you to take that time and create your own rhythm.
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Lisa Hopkins: Until next time, I'm Lisa Hopkins.
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Lisa Hopkins: Thanks for listening.