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Sharri | 19 May · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why On Sky News This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening, breaking news tonight that more isis brides are
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Speaker 2: set to fly to Australia.
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Speaker 3: Will get the latest.
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Speaker 2: Also on the show, the Minister for Women can't say
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Speaker 2: what a woman is claiming it's subject to legal advice.
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Speaker 2: This is unbelievable and will show you her comments shortly.
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Speaker 2: And the founder of Boost Juice, Jannine Allis, is leading
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Speaker 2: the charge against labours tax changes. Shall be here in
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Speaker 2: a moment, but first tonight. The Albaneze government has become
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Speaker 2: the joke of the Internet, with businesses large and small
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Speaker 2: lashing out against its changes to capital gains tax and
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Speaker 2: families are terrified about changes to trusts that amount to nothing.
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Speaker 3: Less than a death tax.
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Speaker 2: What should have happened in this federal budget is simple.
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Speaker 2: Ministers should have made tough decisions to cut spending across
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Speaker 2: every pop folio. Former Prime Minister and Treasurer Paul Keating
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Speaker 2: has spoken about how exactly he did.
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Speaker 3: This in the eighties.
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Speaker 2: He said, with my colleagues Peter Walsh and John Dawkins,
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Speaker 2: and supported in the Expenditure Review Committee by Brian Howe
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Speaker 2: and Ralph Willis, we set about dramatically reducing government spending.
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Speaker 2: It took four exhausting years to do, program by program,
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Speaker 2: department by department, while the terms of trade shock followed
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Speaker 2: the fundamental reform of the tax system the previous year
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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty five, very large income tax cuts, capital gains,
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Speaker 2: fringe benefits, company.
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Speaker 3: Tax cuts, imputation, etc.
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Speaker 2: He says the changes set Australia up for thirty years
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Speaker 2: of low inflation growth, the income surge that has since
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Speaker 2: made Australia one of the wealthiest countries.
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Speaker 3: In the world. And now the opposite is happening.
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Speaker 2: Taxes are rising and it risks making Australia one of
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Speaker 2: the worst countries in the world for business. Albanezy government
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Speaker 2: ministers should have done the same as Keating's team did
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Speaker 2: back then. They should have significantly cut spending to lower
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Speaker 2: inflation and fuel growth. But instead of asking their own
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Speaker 2: ministers to swallow a tough pill, labour has deliberately hurt
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Speaker 2: ordinary Australians, and this at a time when families are
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Speaker 2: already doing it so tough. High petrol prices, rising inflation,
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Speaker 2: pushing up the cost of everything from butter to coffee,
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Speaker 2: and climbing interest rates. In this climate of extreme cost
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Speaker 2: of living pressure. The government is now adding seventy seven
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Speaker 2: billion dollars in new taxes on Australians over the next decade,
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Speaker 2: and it impacts everyone from businesses to middle income families
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Speaker 2: who scrape together enough to buy an investment property, to
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Speaker 2: parents who have set up trusts to protect vulnerable children. Now,
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Speaker 2: the online backlash to the capital gains tax changes in
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Speaker 2: particular has been extraordinary. You can't miss the businesses using
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Speaker 2: AI to insert Albanesi as their new forty seven percent
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Speaker 2: co owner. It's flooding social media with business owners fuming
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Speaker 2: that the government is taking away the fruits of their
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Speaker 2: hard work. But it seems SALBINESI thinks this is all
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Speaker 2: the joke and he just made light of it again today.
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Speaker 4: I think some of them are very fluttering and I
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Speaker 4: thank them for picking very nice.
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Speaker 1: Photos of me, and.
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Speaker 5: I thank them for that.
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Speaker 3: This isn't a joke.
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Speaker 2: This will gut the business community in austral and her families.
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Speaker 3: The backlash is real.
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Speaker 2: It's not misinformation. It's not just political opponents or commentators.
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Speaker 2: It is real and it's growing as businesses begin to
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Speaker 2: understand the full implications of this tax package, and particularly
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Speaker 2: the CGT changes, and the unanswered question is this, how
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Speaker 2: does taxing businesses and shares in any way help younger
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Speaker 2: Australians enter the property market, because that is the stated.
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Speaker 3: Aim of these changes, and it's nonsense, of course it is.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister can't explain why he's chosen to tax
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Speaker 2: hard working Australians, the vets, the cafe owners, the small
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Speaker 2: business builders who have risked everything, worked tirelessly in their
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Speaker 2: own time to create a self sufficient enterprise of their own.
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Speaker 2: Albanize doesn't under stand the changes or how they'll impact
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Speaker 2: business because he's personally never owned one. He's never spent
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Speaker 2: a day working in a real job in the private sector.
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Speaker 2: His whole life has been student politics and then federal politics.
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Speaker 2: And listen to what he told this finance influencer.
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Speaker 5: Why were the capital gains tax changes applied to all
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Speaker 5: assets rather than just residential property. Some people feel like
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Speaker 5: it's unfair that it was applied to shares and businesses
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Speaker 5: as well.
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Speaker 6: Now we wanted to make sure that the drive of
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Speaker 6: investment was towards more productive sides of the economy.
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Speaker 2: What it seems the Prime Minister doesn't understand what he's
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Speaker 2: actually doing or why, and Labor is now behind the
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Speaker 2: scenes floating a carve out for the startup sector.
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Speaker 3: But if they think this.
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Speaker 2: Is purely a startup issue, they fundamentally misunderstand and the
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Speaker 2: business community because this impacts every single business in the country.
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Speaker 2: As Lachlan Harris points out today, Harris was a senior
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Speaker 2: advisor to Kevin Rudd. He's Labor to his bones. Yet
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Speaker 2: today he took the bold step of speaking publicly arguing
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Speaker 2: the CGT changes should only apply to property and that
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Speaker 2: other assets, including businesses and shares, should be excluded. He
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Speaker 2: said Labour's budget will make it harder to start businesses,
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Speaker 2: to work in small businesses, and for those businesses.
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Speaker 3: To raise money. Here's what he said. This is not
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Speaker 3: just for tech startups in Surrey Hills, this is businesses
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Speaker 3: in box.
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Speaker 2: Hill and Castle Hill. This is not just a problem
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Speaker 2: for Tier one AI startups. It's a problem for every
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Speaker 2: single business in the country. And he gave those comments
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Speaker 2: to The Herald.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: The reason the government is simply considering a startup exemption
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Speaker 2: is simply because mum and dad business owners don't have
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Speaker 2: the Treasurer or the Prime Minister's mobile number, whereas people
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Speaker 2: like Scott farqua do and they are lobbying directly. A
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Speaker 2: business figure with labor connections put it succinctly, he told
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Speaker 2: Paul Skal and The Herald. They would be mistaken to
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Speaker 2: think a carve out for tech startups will solve this.
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Speaker 2: Where this ends up going is you have a situation
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Speaker 2: where anyone who open their own pharmacy, carpet business or
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Speaker 2: dentistry and hopes to sell it as part of their retirement.
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Speaker 3: Will be caught.
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Speaker 2: Look, you'd have to think that the Albanezy government was
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Speaker 2: just hoping no one would notice that they.
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Speaker 3: Could simply appeal to the youth on TikTok.
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Speaker 2: As James Morrow writes today, he says media advisors in
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Speaker 2: the Prime ministers and Treasurer's officers, men of whom seemed
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Speaker 2: barely old enough to drink in the bars of the
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Speaker 2: parliamentary triangle, have been telling all and Sundry that their
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Speaker 2: full proof plan was to talk directly to young people
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Speaker 2: through TikTok and the like. So that is the strategy,
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Speaker 2: not policy, not reform, not making the environment easier or
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Speaker 2: better for businesses to grow, but TikTok and the irony.
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Speaker 2: Because it's TikTok where there's been the backlash and all
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Speaker 2: voters are noticing. Angus Taylor has now surprisingly overtaken Albanezi
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Speaker 2: as preferred prime minister, a remarkable shift for the opposition leader. Now,
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Speaker 2: the conventional wisdom is still that Taylor can't realistically win
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Speaker 2: the next election in just two years time with Labour
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Speaker 2: sitting on ninety four seats, that is, unless he decides
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Speaker 2: to reach an arrangement with one Nation, and it now
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Speaker 2: appears he's not completely ruling it out.
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Speaker 1: I will work with whoever I can work with to
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Speaker 1: stop Labor getting those taxes through, and I will work
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Speaker 1: with whoever I can work with to defeat Labor at
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Speaker 1: the next election. And I hope that one nation will
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Speaker 1: vote with us on acting those taxes. And as I say,
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Speaker 1: we'll do whatever we can to beat labor.
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Speaker 2: And that was Taylor speaking on Paul Murray's program last night.
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Speaker 2: Now his language is careful, but he should consider a
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Speaker 2: formal arrangement with one Nation on preferences. Without it, alban
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Speaker 2: EZI will remain in government for the foreseeable future, but
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Speaker 2: to gather the coalition and one Nation command around fifty
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Speaker 2: percent of the primary vote.
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Speaker 3: That's a majority, and that is a path to government now.
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Speaker 2: Albanezi came into power promising a new era of integrity
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Speaker 2: in politics. There was a promise that was quickly forgotten. Instead,
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Speaker 2: he's managed to unite business owners, low income families, labour insiders,
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Speaker 2: the TikTok crowd and the entire Internet against him.
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Speaker 3: All in one budget.
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Speaker 2: If he doesn't reverse course on these taxes, he won't
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Speaker 2: just be a mem He'll be on his way out
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Speaker 2: as Prime Minister. And in some breaking news, the former
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Speaker 2: Governor General Peter Hollingsworth has died at the age of
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Speaker 2: ninety one. It's believed the retired Anglican archbishop had been
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Speaker 2: sick for some time. His death is being reported by
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Speaker 2: both the ABC and The Australian. It is a huge
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Speaker 2: loss to Australia. He was one of the first social
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Speaker 2: justice advocates of his.
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Speaker 3: Time, a real activist.
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Speaker 2: He didn't need to resign from his role. He did
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Speaker 2: need to resign from his role as God and a
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Speaker 2: general in two thousand and three amid the controversy of
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Speaker 2: his handling of child abuse in the church. Will bring
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Speaker 2: you more information as it comes to light. Okay, let's
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Speaker 2: return to the backlash to the federal budget. And I'm
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Speaker 2: joined now by a highly admired figure in the business
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Speaker 2: community who's never before spoken publicly about politics until this budget.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now is Boostjo's co founder, Jeanine Alice. Jeanine,
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Speaker 2: welcome to the program. Thank you for giving up your
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Speaker 2: time to be here. What concerns you about the Albanese
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Speaker 2: government's budget and in particular the changes to capital gains tax.
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Speaker 5: Look, at the end of the day, I want to
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Speaker 5: start with saying I'm no expert, right and I'm no economist,
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Speaker 5: but being involved in franchising, which is surrounded by hundreds
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Speaker 5: of businesses, and also having a business called the Business
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Speaker 5: Academy where we train businesses, we're here first hand from
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Speaker 5: the fear that's going around on these changes, particularly on
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Speaker 5: capital gains tax.
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Speaker 7: I whan the Negli the gearing is another subject.
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Speaker 5: But for me, you know, it was the sadness of
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Speaker 5: the new generation of people who are studying businesses, who sure,
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Speaker 5: there's some sssions of small business, but there is no
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Speaker 5: incentive for a small business become even a medium sized business.
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Speaker 5: And in fairness, small business isn't actually that small. There's
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Speaker 5: many businesses in the medium size it aren't making that
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Speaker 5: much money. So it is a it's really hard in
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Speaker 5: Australia now to make a real difference to your future
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Speaker 5: in business.
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Speaker 2: Do you think the government understands just how hard it
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Speaker 2: is to start a business, to work at it in
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Speaker 2: every spare minute you have the personal sacrifices, the family
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Speaker 2: sacrifices just to make it succeed.
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Speaker 7: Oh, of course they don't.
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Speaker 5: Of course they don't, and you know they I wouldn't
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Speaker 5: want to bes, you know. I'm sure they have to
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Speaker 5: do all sorts of deals for all sorts of outcomes,
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Speaker 5: but I don't think they've considered the unattended consequence with
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Speaker 5: this one. There's a lot of people out there that
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Speaker 5: look at this capital gains tax and don't think it
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Speaker 5: affects them because they never want to start their own business,
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Speaker 5: or they never want to go and buy a property.
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Speaker 5: But the reality is, in my opinion, and I'm sure
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Speaker 5: there's smarter people out there that can do sums better
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Speaker 5: than I can. But it does mean that if a
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Speaker 5: country is not attractive for people to come.
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Speaker 8: In and come in and invest, then there's going to
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Speaker 8: be less businesses investing, and with less businesses investing, there's
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Speaker 8: going to be less jobs.
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Speaker 7: And we're in a really precarious time right now with
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Speaker 7: AI coming in to take a lot of jobs in
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Speaker 7: a couple of years.
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Speaker 5: If this goes through, it's sort of a feeling that
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Speaker 5: it could be a perfect storm. So don't think that
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Speaker 5: just because you're not a business owner that this isn't
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Speaker 5: going to affect you. It actually will. And you have
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Speaker 5: to remember also that businesses are the main people that
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Speaker 5: pay tax, even I by employing people, there's viral tax
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Speaker 5: there is.
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Speaker 7: There is so many taxes.
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Speaker 5: The company pays that if you don't encourage businesses, then
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Speaker 5: long term benefit is really dire for this country.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good point you made there that I
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Speaker 2: forgot to make in my introduction about the challenges that
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Speaker 2: AI pose this. So not only are we in this
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Speaker 2: high inflation environment that makes it so difficult anyway with
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Speaker 2: the cost of living and doing business, but.
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Speaker 3: Now there's the challenge of AI as well. Janine, A
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Speaker 3: lot of young women look up to you.
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Speaker 2: Could you win all good conscience advise them to start
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Speaker 2: a business after July twenty twenty seven in this tax environment.
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Speaker 5: Look, it's a lot of people start businesses well beyond money,
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Speaker 5: you know, And so would I start my business back then,
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Speaker 5: of course I would, right, but the risk return is
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Speaker 5: very different now than it was, you know when I
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Speaker 5: started my business, or it is even in this environment.
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Speaker 7: So yeah, a lot of people do start businesses for
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Speaker 7: many reasons. But you're right.
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Speaker 5: The thing that gets me is that four out of
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Speaker 5: five businesses fail in the first five years. There's no
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Speaker 5: support for those four four out of five businesses that fail.
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Speaker 5: But they want to take the upside of taking half.
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Speaker 5: That's forty five seven percent.
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Speaker 7: Run it up to half of your of the money
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Speaker 7: that you make if you sell your business. So they're happy.
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Speaker 5: They're not taking any of the downside, but they're actually
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Speaker 5: very very happy to take half of your hard work.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's extraordinary.
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Speaker 2: Look, maybe if people do want to start a business,
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Speaker 2: they've got their heart set on a great idea. Perhaps
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Speaker 2: it's something they should do in overseas, in the United
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Speaker 2: States or Singapore or New Zealand even I just want
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Speaker 2: to quickly ask you about the negative gearing changes, well
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Speaker 2: because you mentioned them in your first dancer. I mean, look,
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Speaker 2: these are controversial, people have different opinions, but it does
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Speaker 2: mean that young Australians will actually find it harder to
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Speaker 2: get ahead as well, won't they look?
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Speaker 5: Once again not an expert of this area. However, negatively
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Speaker 5: gearing is a great form of people to get in
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Speaker 5: to live in the areas they want to live in
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Speaker 5: for a start. So for example, you know the way
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Speaker 5: it's currently structured, you may have to go thirty kar
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Speaker 5: meters out of where you live to actually buy a.
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Speaker 7: It's a negative ble gear because it's a new build
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Speaker 7: in a new area. People to live in the area
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Speaker 7: that they want to live in, and many people use.
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Speaker 5: Negatively gearing is a way of getting into the housing
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Speaker 5: market by getting in negatively.
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Speaker 7: Gearing and then eventually living in that house.
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Speaker 5: And so you've kind of taken that away from them
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Speaker 5: and it makes it hard. I mean, if we're only
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Speaker 5: now relying on Super, no one can live on Super
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Speaker 5: in their retirement.
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Speaker 7: So it is I look at the youth.
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Speaker 5: Now, people will to around and say, you know, why
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Speaker 5: are you even talking about it, Jeanine, what do you
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Speaker 5: worry about it? You know, you've got your business. But
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Speaker 5: the reality is, I'm actually speaking up for the peak
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Speaker 5: that little Jeanine, who was thirty three years old, had
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Speaker 5: three kids at home and had no idea of business
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Speaker 5: and wanted to have a cracks and it's the business
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Speaker 5: people that I'm meeting every single day in the business
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Speaker 5: course that we're doing, and through our franchisees who just
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Speaker 5: want to who just want to give their family a start,
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Speaker 5: and it makes it just so difficult for them.
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Speaker 7: I just think it's just I think it's really sad.
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Speaker 2: Well, good on you for using your voice to try
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Speaker 2: and bring about change here. Let's hope the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: listens to you. Janine Alice, thank you very much for
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Speaker 2: being here. Okay, we'll stay with this backlash from small
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Speaker 2: business now because Alban Eazy continues to claim the changes
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Speaker 2: are about housing, even though as Jeanine was just speaking about,
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Speaker 2: it goes well beyond that into share startups, pharmacies, cafes, dentists,
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Speaker 2: other local businesses and to discuss some Joe now By.
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Speaker 2: Tonight's panel, Sky News hosts Steve Price and Chair of
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Speaker 2: the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Intelligence and Security Labor, Senator
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Speaker 2: raf CHACONI great to see you both, Ralph. I want
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Speaker 2: to start with you on this. You've just been listening
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Speaker 2: to that interview and I know this isn't your area.
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Speaker 2: You're in the Intelligence Committee Chair of the Intelligence Committee.
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Speaker 2: But this backlash from small business is massive. Are you
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Speaker 2: hearing the same feedback? And will the Prime Minister listen
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Speaker 2: to the concerns of businesses.
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Speaker 9: We'll send the Prime Minister, the Treasurer and the Government
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Speaker 9: have said that the budget was going to be a
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Speaker 9: very tough one. We've had to ensure that the budget
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Speaker 9: can be structurally sound and the government has acknowledged that
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Speaker 9: we've had to ensure that we find savings in the budget.
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Speaker 9: And this isn't picking on businesses or other aspects of
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Speaker 9: the economy, but the gunment has an obligation to drive
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Speaker 9: down that debt and make sure there's structural reform otherwise
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Speaker 9: we're going to be a scenario where we're going to
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Speaker 9: have ongoing debt and future generations will have to pay
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Speaker 9: for that. That's what we've made. Also decisions in n
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Speaker 9: dis in healthcare, in education and the like, and you know,
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Speaker 9: we are in a predicament now where the governments have
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Speaker 9: to make very tough decisions ensure and also we're putting
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Speaker 9: downward pressure on inflation. That's why we're forecasting the greatest
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Speaker 9: savings over the forwards and we've had to make savings
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Speaker 9: in the immediate to short term.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's what the government should be doing. But in fact,
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Speaker 2: debt is forecast to hit one point two trillion dollars.
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Speaker 2: It's already at a record high one trillion dollars, forecast
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Speaker 2: to hit one point two trillion dollars by twenty twenty nine. Steve,
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Speaker 2: the tough decisions here all fall onto Australians. The government's
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Speaker 2: taking no tough decisions. I mean, Steve, how does taxing
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Speaker 2: small businesses help first home buyers or reduce the debt?
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Speaker 10: What it doesn't, then the Senator should you know, front
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Speaker 10: up and tell the truth here. I mean, the government's
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Speaker 10: not cutting spending to the degree it needs to, and
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Speaker 10: it's now got a group of people that it's going
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Speaker 10: to target to try and fill the hole that they
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Speaker 10: have to fill because the country's going backwards at a
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Speaker 10: great rate. I mean, one of those targets are people
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Speaker 10: like me. The government currently is waging a war on
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Speaker 10: older Australians. I mean it's not just the fact that
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Speaker 10: they're going to change the tax adjustments on trusts. I
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Speaker 10: mean most people don't even have a trust to understand it.
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Speaker 10: But it is going to impact a lot of people.
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Speaker 10: But I mean older Australians also are being whacked by
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Speaker 10: this government. There was a just before the budget was released,
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Speaker 10: Mark Butler stood up in the Press Club and revealed
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Speaker 10: that anyone over the age of sixty five or seventy
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Speaker 10: is suddenly going to start paying more for their private
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Speaker 10: health insurance because the government's cutting back a rebate on
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Speaker 10: that four hundred thousand pensioners, particularly those over the age
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Speaker 10: of seventy, where the rebate's going to go from thirty
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Speaker 10: two percent down to twenty six are suddenly going to
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Speaker 10: have the double whammy next year of no rebate, plus
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Speaker 10: the private health insurance rates go up, and the government's
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Speaker 10: waging more on older Australians because they believe we're not
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Speaker 10: going to.
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Speaker 3: Vote for them.
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Speaker 2: I completely agree with what you're saying, but Steve, except
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Speaker 2: for one thing, you can't call yourself an older Australian.
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Speaker 3: Come on, you're too young.
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Speaker 10: I don't feel it that I am old and I
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Speaker 10: am going to get whacked by that. I can I
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Speaker 10: can afford to pay it. But there's a lot of
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Speaker 10: people like my ninety one year old mother who's sitting
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Speaker 10: downstairs tonight. She's got private health insurance. She's going to
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Speaker 10: have to give up something to keep paying for it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, and the fact is, even if you say you
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Speaker 2: can afford it, I mean you work hard for your money,
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Speaker 2: you're ready paying high taxes. In fact, Australia has among
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Speaker 2: the highest rates of personal income tax in the.
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Speaker 3: OECD, so you know we're ready a very highly taxed country.
21:52
Speaker 2: Let's move on to this story that ABC and the
21:55
Speaker 2: SBS have refused to adopt the definition of anti Semitism
22:00
Speaker 2: used by the federal government and the Royal Commission Ralph.
22:04
Speaker 2: The ABC has only exacerbated the antisemitism crisis by continually
22:09
Speaker 2: demonizing Israel, leading to anger against Zionists, which is then
22:13
Speaker 2: taken out on Jews. And now the public broadcast is
22:16
Speaker 2: refusing to even adopt this definition that is used all
22:20
Speaker 2: over the world.
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Speaker 3: What's your view.
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Speaker 9: Well, we've got at least forty seven countries in the
22:26
Speaker 9: world now that have adopted or acknowledge that definition. And
22:32
Speaker 9: you know, I was quite quite angry to hear today
22:35
Speaker 9: that the ABC and the SBS for that matter, have
22:39
Speaker 9: both said that they weren't going to adopt the definition
22:43
Speaker 9: using impartiality around the media guidelines. But look, I mean,
22:48
Speaker 9: no one's here saying that this should impact how journalists report,
22:52
Speaker 9: but as an organization, as part of commonauth entity, I
22:57
Speaker 9: would have thought that leadership right now matters, particularly in
23:00
Speaker 9: the middle of are All Commission into Anti Semitism and
23:03
Speaker 9: social cohesion. The broadcaster and SBS are two entities that
23:08
Speaker 9: many migrants look up to. In fact, I would have
23:11
Speaker 9: thought that the SBS should have another look at this
23:14
Speaker 9: because my parents when they came from Italy after the
23:18
Speaker 9: Second World War, that was one of the many programs
23:22
Speaker 9: that they watched was the SBS and ABC, and I
23:25
Speaker 9: think it's just quite disappointing to see them take in
23:28
Speaker 9: this position. I mean, many Jewish Australians right now would
23:32
Speaker 9: be shaking their heads thinking, how is it that a
23:34
Speaker 9: national broadcaster is not able to acknowledge the hurt right
23:39
Speaker 9: now and adopt the report at the definition that he's
23:43
Speaker 9: accepted by at least forty seven countries around the world,
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Speaker 9: including this governor here exactly.
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Speaker 2: It's Steve, it's just disgraceful from the ABC in the
23:53
Speaker 2: wake of the Bondai terror attack, and given the ABC
23:57
Speaker 2: literally ignored the anti Semitism for the first year. I
24:01
Speaker 2: mean I was putting questions to them the whole time.
24:03
Speaker 2: Why weren't they covering this.
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Speaker 7: Absolutely?
24:08
Speaker 10: I mean, look, we all know that the staff collective
24:11
Speaker 10: run the ABC, in particular SBS is slightly better, but
24:14
Speaker 10: not much. He'd want to get in front of the
24:18
Speaker 10: camera Kim Williams, who's now the current chair of the ABC,
24:21
Speaker 10: or Hugh Marx as the CEO, and asks them do
24:24
Speaker 10: they support this decision? I mean, this decision surely can't
24:28
Speaker 10: just be made by some editorial executive at a lower level.
24:32
Speaker 10: Kim Williams would I think I would hope, knowing him
24:35
Speaker 10: reasonably well, that he would be horrified that this has
24:39
Speaker 10: happened and he should immediately come out in the next
24:41
Speaker 10: twenty four hours and reverse that decision and make sure
24:45
Speaker 10: that the whole of the ABC understands that he's not
24:48
Speaker 10: happy about it. I mean, Kim Williams is an interventionist,
24:51
Speaker 10: so come on, Kim, intervene and get the joint working promptly.
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Speaker 2: Well, he's meant to be an interventionist, but I haven't
24:57
Speaker 2: seen much sign of that at the ABC. And I've
24:59
Speaker 2: read William's book and he does speak about anti semitism
25:02
Speaker 2: in it. If he cares about the issue of antisemitism,
25:06
Speaker 2: then the very least he could do is implement this definition.
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Speaker 3: It is inexcusable.
25:14
Speaker 2: All right, let's turn to the Middle East now, where
25:16
Speaker 2: President Trump has called off a very major military attack
25:20
Speaker 2: on Iran, at least for the moment. This is at
25:23
Speaker 2: the request of the US golf allies.
25:25
Speaker 3: Have a look.
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Speaker 11: I was Espe, Saudi Arabia, Guitar Yui and some others,
25:31
Speaker 11: if we could put it off for two or three days,
25:33
Speaker 11: a short period of time, because they think that they
25:35
Speaker 11: are getting very close to making a deal. And if
25:38
Speaker 11: we can do that where there's no nuclear weapon going
25:41
Speaker 11: into the hands of Iran, I think, and if they're satisfied,
25:45
Speaker 11: we will be probably satisfied.
25:48
Speaker 2: Also, I mean, raf this stalemate between Iran and the US,
25:53
Speaker 2: the peace steals the on again off against social media threats.
25:56
Speaker 2: What do you think do you think the president should
25:59
Speaker 2: return or has to return to military action here?
26:04
Speaker 9: Well, I think the President's rise. I mean, at the
26:06
Speaker 9: end the day, we've got to make sure the objective
26:09
Speaker 9: of this conflict is about making sure that Iran does
26:12
Speaker 9: not have access to nuclear weapons. I mean, that has
26:14
Speaker 9: been the whole point of this conflict. That's why the
26:18
Speaker 9: United States and Israel have decided to wage war against Iran.
26:25
Speaker 9: Let's not forget Iran has exported terror around the world,
26:28
Speaker 9: obviously within its region, but here in Australia, you know,
26:32
Speaker 9: with one attack in Sydney and in Melbourne against the
26:35
Speaker 9: Jewish community. It is the right thing to do to
26:38
Speaker 9: make sure that a RUN no longer has the capability
26:42
Speaker 9: or has any chance of having nuclear weapons in the
26:44
Speaker 9: near or long distance future. And quite frankly, I think
26:48
Speaker 9: President Trump is right in trying to get a piece deal.
26:52
Speaker 9: I know many have been critical about his approach, but
26:55
Speaker 9: you've got to give him at least some points for
26:58
Speaker 9: trying and having the courage to stand up to a
27:00
Speaker 9: regime that has massacred tens upon tens of thousands of
27:04
Speaker 9: its own citizens. And quite frankly, there's been silence from
27:08
Speaker 9: many people around the world, and that's something that as
27:11
Speaker 9: you know, I gave a speech just before Easter about.
27:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, excellent speech, and I completely agree with you, and
27:17
Speaker 2: I do give the President credit for that. But I
27:20
Speaker 2: am still worried about the outcome, Steve, because I think
27:23
Speaker 2: the worst outcome would be a RUN with control of
27:25
Speaker 2: the Strait of hor Moves and no commitment to not
27:29
Speaker 2: develop nuclear weapons.
27:34
Speaker 10: Yeah. Look, they seem to be stringing Donald Trump along.
27:37
Speaker 10: You know, it seems like he changes his mind every
27:40
Speaker 10: five minutes. I mean, one of the people that we're
27:42
Speaker 10: lucky enough to have here on Sky's General Jack Keane,
27:45
Speaker 10: who I know has had some involvement in the original
27:47
Speaker 10: planning of what was going to go into this war,
27:50
Speaker 10: and I saw him today talking about the fact that
27:52
Speaker 10: he believes that the US is very close to going
27:55
Speaker 10: back in to full scale attack on Iran. I think
27:58
Speaker 10: the rest of the world is really starting to get
28:01
Speaker 10: very impatient. I think it's a good thing that the
28:04
Speaker 10: UAE nations are now getting themselves more involved. Obviously, they're
28:09
Speaker 10: bleeding in terms financially with that straight closed, and their
28:13
Speaker 10: main product to the world will not being able to
28:15
Speaker 10: get in or out. So let's hope that they can
28:17
Speaker 10: have some influence. But I just don't have a great
28:20
Speaker 10: feeling that this is not going to end up back
28:22
Speaker 10: in some sort of major conflict pretty soon.
28:24
Speaker 3: Yeah. I agree.
28:25
Speaker 2: I try to get some answers from some contacts before
28:28
Speaker 2: the show tonight, but it could within days for sure.
28:31
Speaker 2: RAF before we go, Your Intelligence Security Committee has now
28:35
Speaker 2: officially listed his book to Rea as a prohibited hate group,
28:38
Speaker 2: finding that it does meet the legal test. This is
28:41
Speaker 2: the first group listed under the new hate group laws,
28:44
Speaker 2: which means that membership and recruitment and fundraising could become
28:48
Speaker 2: criminal offenses.
28:49
Speaker 3: Is that right.
28:52
Speaker 9: Spot on? And you know that, as you say, since
28:56
Speaker 9: the horrific attack against the Jewish community in Sydney Bondi.
29:00
Speaker 9: The Parliament was recorded in January and we pass those
29:03
Speaker 9: laws that set up the framework. So his Buttterre is
29:06
Speaker 9: now the very first organization under this new framework to
29:10
Speaker 9: be banned as a prohibited hate group. We've also, through
29:14
Speaker 9: Minister Burke, listed the Neo Nazi group on Friday of
29:19
Speaker 9: last week as the second group that will come to
29:22
Speaker 9: the Committee for scrutiny. And it's been a really thorough processor,
29:26
Speaker 9: but being able to talk to our agencies, to our
29:29
Speaker 9: law enforcement and government to understand that the Minister and
29:33
Speaker 9: the government have gone through the right way of listing
29:35
Speaker 9: this group. I mean, the one thing we want to
29:37
Speaker 9: make sure is to protect Australians, protect the Jewish community,
29:41
Speaker 9: make sure that we do tackle anti Semitism in this
29:43
Speaker 9: country once and for all. And it's been a very
29:45
Speaker 9: strong message that these groups will never have a place
29:49
Speaker 9: in our society and it's just not acceptable.
29:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, so well said.
29:53
Speaker 2: And you are one of the few people in the
29:55
Speaker 2: Albanese government who is working so hard on this issue.
29:58
Speaker 3: Rap and I thank you for that. Steve. Great to
30:01
Speaker 3: have you on as well. We'll see you guys soon.
30:04
Speaker 2: All right, Still to come six more isis Brides you
30:07
Speaker 2: back in Australia soon.
30:08
Speaker 3: We'll get the latest.
30:09
Speaker 2: And the Minister for Women can't say what a woman is,
30:12
Speaker 2: she says it's subject to legal dispute. The Daily Telegraph
30:16
Speaker 2: editor Ben English will be here after the break.
30:21
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
30:22
Speaker 5: Well.
30:22
Speaker 2: Social media has been set a light with thousands of
30:25
Speaker 2: AI generated images as we've been speaking about of albin
30:28
Speaker 2: Easy and that was captured in the front page of
30:30
Speaker 2: the Telegraph today lies go viral and joining me now
30:35
Speaker 2: is Daily Telegraph editor Ben English. I mean that cuts
30:38
Speaker 2: right to the heart of the issue.
30:39
Speaker 5: Ben.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, you know you're in trouble when people start ridiculing you.
30:43
Speaker 12: And I think this is this could be the iron
30:46
Speaker 12: hol hose moment for Albinezi and particularly today you referenced
30:50
Speaker 12: it when he was trying to make he was trying
30:52
Speaker 12: to get in on the joke we don't get to
30:54
Speaker 12: do that when you're being ridiculed, and so yeah, this
30:57
Speaker 12: was it's interesting, you know, like rightly, so we will
31:00
Speaker 12: focusing on the property side of it. But the grass
31:04
Speaker 12: fire started from the grassroots and is just spread across
31:08
Speaker 12: the country and Albo can't put it out.
31:11
Speaker 3: It's massive. I mean, he's become the subject is it
31:13
Speaker 3: mammal memes? I never know that word, but he is.
31:16
Speaker 12: The butt of the joke totally, totally, and they keep coming.
31:19
Speaker 12: They're just like everyone's joining in now.
31:22
Speaker 3: And people are furious.
31:23
Speaker 2: Regular businesses are very worried about what happens if they
31:27
Speaker 2: grow and they want to one day sell.
31:31
Speaker 3: For their retirement. It's a problem.
31:33
Speaker 12: It's a huge problem. We've got a story tomorrow actually
31:36
Speaker 12: about how Shortened when he was the opposition leader eleven
31:40
Speaker 12: years ago, they were considering they were going to bring
31:42
Speaker 12: in the CGT removal of the CGT concession, and the
31:46
Speaker 12: original package did include small businesses and shares and a
31:50
Speaker 12: number of senior members of cabinet said, don't be an idiot,
31:53
Speaker 12: this will incinerate any support we have in small business
31:56
Speaker 12: for those very reasons. Among them was Michelle Roland and
31:59
Speaker 12: Shortened himself, and so I think they would both be
32:03
Speaker 12: We haven't spoken of Roland tonight, but I reckon Roland
32:07
Speaker 12: and her colleagues would be feeling the heat now.
32:09
Speaker 2: And she's now, of course the attorney general. So that's
32:12
Speaker 2: a story you've got in the paper, Jamira Benn, show
32:15
Speaker 2: us your front page for tomorrow as well.
32:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, so zoom in on that.
32:19
Speaker 2: It says it's no joke, which is exactly the line
32:22
Speaker 2: from my being remarks earlier in the show. And you've
32:25
Speaker 2: got two female business owners there. This is really hurting
32:30
Speaker 2: young women business owners. This is who the Albanzi government's hurting.
32:33
Speaker 2: So then they own childcare.
32:37
Speaker 12: Possum play. This is Georgia Rossi and Renee sez L.
32:42
Speaker 12: And as you say, this is deadly for Albanezi because
32:44
Speaker 12: these were this was a force for him in the
32:47
Speaker 12: last election as well as young people, and they are mobilizing.
32:51
Speaker 12: So this is a potent This is a potent moment.
32:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, Well look forward to reading the
32:57
Speaker 2: full story in tomorrow's paper.
32:59
Speaker 3: I want to get to a couple of other issues.
33:01
Speaker 2: The news of those Premier Chris min is now saying
33:05
Speaker 2: that there are differences between men and women these were
33:08
Speaker 2: quite good comments. He said that these differences must be
33:11
Speaker 2: reflected in the law, particularly in prisons and in female
33:14
Speaker 2: spot Have a look.
33:15
Speaker 13: If you're born biologically male and you change your government
33:20
Speaker 13: certificates to be female, it will not mean that you
33:24
Speaker 13: can change from a male prison to a female prison.
33:27
Speaker 13: There are biological differences that are inherent and the law
33:31
Speaker 13: needs to reflect that.
33:33
Speaker 2: He's honestly a sensational politician. I mean, that is exactly right.
33:37
Speaker 2: But what's this go with his minister for Harrison Women,
33:40
Speaker 2: Jokie Harrison.
33:41
Speaker 12: Ben the Minister for Women, couldn't bring herself to actually
33:45
Speaker 12: explain what a woman was. So this is a problem
33:49
Speaker 12: with the Chris means. He's great, but beneath him it's
33:53
Speaker 12: a little bit flaky.
33:55
Speaker 2: Let's pull up the quote for what she told your paper.
33:58
Speaker 2: She said when she was asked what a woman is?
34:00
Speaker 2: This is the Minister for Women. She said, this matter
34:03
Speaker 2: was considered by the federal court under Commonwealth anti discrimination
34:07
Speaker 2: law and questions about the legal framework are ultimately matters
34:10
Speaker 2: for the Federal go I mean, try.
34:12
Speaker 12: Telling that to a seven year old boy or girl
34:15
Speaker 12: and that's the answer. It's this complete rubbish and Goldigoog.
34:18
Speaker 12: That's where we're at and the Federal Court unfortunately is
34:21
Speaker 12: part of that.
34:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
34:24
Speaker 2: Just finally, this is a story that I think not
34:26
Speaker 2: everyone has followed, but it's a really pretty bad story
34:31
Speaker 2: from the Albanezy government. Now tell us about the case
34:33
Speaker 2: of Cameron Bett, who was awarded the VC posthumously.
34:38
Speaker 12: He was from his actions in twenty thirteen in which
34:40
Speaker 12: he was killed in action in Afghanistan, one of the
34:43
Speaker 12: great modern heroes, modern military heroes of Australia. Now at
34:47
Speaker 12: the time and up until the present day, VC recipients
34:52
Speaker 12: are given a little stipend. It's not much. It's like
34:55
Speaker 12: a few grand to offset their travel expenses when they
34:59
Speaker 12: travel around, speak to school children, RSL's, etcetera. Right, So,
35:04
Speaker 12: because he died, the Abbic government at the time gave
35:07
Speaker 12: his parents some money half what the VC recipients get
35:12
Speaker 12: three grand free grant and they got told a few
35:17
Speaker 12: weeks ago that that's been cut.
35:19
Speaker 2: The Albaneze government scrapped their three grand and their son
35:24
Speaker 2: was killed and.
35:24
Speaker 3: Their son was a hero.
35:26
Speaker 12: Meanwhile, they're spending they're presiding over a three hundred million
35:29
Speaker 12: dollar prosecution of Ben Roberts Smith. But there is a
35:32
Speaker 12: silver lining to this, and that is that we've had
35:36
Speaker 12: an angel come to the rescue and in the form
35:39
Speaker 12: of Angus Aiken, the stockbroker who's He wrote to me
35:44
Speaker 12: today and said that he's offering twenty thousand dollars a
35:47
Speaker 12: year for as long as as long as they're traveling,
35:50
Speaker 12: which is an incredibly generous move by Angus. So thanks Angus.
35:54
Speaker 2: That is amazing, but disgusting that the Albanezy government was
35:58
Speaker 2: so I don't know what the word is, but you
36:01
Speaker 2: know their penny pinching behavior that they took away this
36:05
Speaker 2: money when they've got one point two trillion dollars of debt.
36:08
Speaker 12: Yeah, well they're increasing spending this year by forty one
36:10
Speaker 12: point six billion dollars the next financial year, but they've
36:13
Speaker 12: cut three thousand dollars Angers city is a shame to
36:15
Speaker 12: be Australian and he just felt compelled to do something,
36:18
Speaker 12: so hope for It's a disgrace at MA Cheo, the
36:21
Speaker 12: Veterans Affairs Minister has done nothing about this. It's cowardly
36:24
Speaker 12: in Craven Yeah, it's so.
36:26
Speaker 3: It's awful.
36:27
Speaker 2: Well, good a new Bend once again for campaigning on
36:30
Speaker 2: an important issue that we wouldn't have known about otherwise
36:32
Speaker 2: and getting a good outcome.
36:34
Speaker 3: All right, we'll see you on the show next week. Yes,
36:36
Speaker 3: thank you, still to come tonight.
36:38
Speaker 2: Former ABC director Joe Gersh joins me after the ABC
36:42
Speaker 2: rejects the government backed definition of anti Semitism, and more
36:46
Speaker 2: ISIS bride set to arrive in Australia. I hope I'm
36:48
Speaker 2: not setting your blood pressure up tonight because it's pretty outrageous.
36:52
Speaker 3: We get the full details after the break.
36:57
Speaker 2: Let's get to this evening's breaking news. The remaining former
37:00
Speaker 2: ISIS brides and their children are expected to land in
37:03
Speaker 2: Australia soon as.
37:05
Speaker 3: Early as next week.
37:07
Speaker 2: According to The Australian, the Syrian government has unlocked travel
37:11
Speaker 2: funds from the relatives of the six women, and Shadow
37:14
Speaker 2: Home Affairs Minister Jonathan Duniam joins me.
37:16
Speaker 3: Now, Jonah, good to see you.
37:18
Speaker 2: What do we know about this cohort and do you
37:21
Speaker 2: think they should be allowed in the country.
37:26
Speaker 6: Well, there's still a lot of unknowns about even the
37:30
Speaker 6: ones that came back a week or two back. Now,
37:33
Speaker 6: the thirteen that came back to Australia, twenty one remaining
37:37
Speaker 6: in Syria, and of course one of them has a
37:39
Speaker 6: temporary exclusion order applied to them one of thirty four.
37:42
Speaker 6: I don't know how that one seemed to meet a threshold,
37:44
Speaker 6: but none of the others, including those who were charged
37:46
Speaker 6: with crimes against humanity and terror related offenses, somehow didn't
37:51
Speaker 6: get a temporary exclusion order placed on them. It has
37:55
Speaker 6: been put to me by some who know a little
37:58
Speaker 6: more about this cohort than the government are letting on
38:01
Speaker 6: that the remaining individuals are probably greater risk to our
38:07
Speaker 6: safety and our security than those who have returned already.
38:10
Speaker 6: Hence why we've seen them staggered this way. You ask,
38:14
Speaker 6: do I believe they should come back? Absolutely not. I
38:17
Speaker 6: still believe the ones who have come in should not
38:19
Speaker 6: have been allowed back into Australia. They arrived and were
38:23
Speaker 6: charged with, as I've already outlined, very serious offenses. That is,
38:27
Speaker 6: I believe grounds to have stopped them from coming in,
38:30
Speaker 6: either through temporary travel bands or through revocation of passports.
38:33
Speaker 6: It's not right bringing this risk back to our countries.
38:37
Speaker 6: Not what this government should have done.
38:38
Speaker 2: I mean, do you think the government needs to be
38:40
Speaker 2: more transparent about what they know about this second cohort?
38:44
Speaker 2: Because they didn't tell us about the impending charges relating
38:49
Speaker 2: to the last cohort. I mean I reported on air
38:51
Speaker 2: that at least two were going to be arrested, but
38:54
Speaker 2: they didn't tell us any of this information.
38:59
Speaker 3: That's exactly.
39:00
Speaker 6: And indeed, with this knowledge coming to the fore now
39:05
Speaker 6: and being made public through yourself and other journalists who
39:08
Speaker 6: are reporting on this, the government you would think would
39:11
Speaker 6: provide an update like they did ahead of the arrival
39:15
Speaker 6: of the last cohort. They should be more transparent about,
39:18
Speaker 6: as I've said before, what kind of charges we're looking at.
39:21
Speaker 6: That doesn't jeopardize a case before the courts. You're not
39:27
Speaker 6: going into the evidence, you're not making the allegation. You
39:31
Speaker 6: just outline the charges so people know what we're dealing
39:33
Speaker 6: with here. But I think the reason they do hold
39:36
Speaker 6: this back is because ultimately they want them to come
39:39
Speaker 6: back into Australia. They wouldn't have issued them passports, they
39:43
Speaker 6: wouldn't have not applied temporary travel bands if they didn't
39:46
Speaker 6: want them back. They say they don't, but then they
39:48
Speaker 6: act in a totally different way.
39:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, on the cohort who've already arrived, we
39:53
Speaker 2: were led to believe that they would be forced to
39:55
Speaker 2: undergo deradicalization courses and bearing your mind they might not
39:59
Speaker 2: work at all, But now we learn they're only being
40:03
Speaker 2: offered them.
40:06
Speaker 6: Yeah, offered, And I think one of your colleagues, Peter
40:10
Speaker 6: Kredlin maybe or one of the talked about the fact
40:14
Speaker 6: that they were going to be asked. Chrissy Barrett said,
40:16
Speaker 6: we're going to ask them to undertake this deradicalization training.
40:21
Speaker 6: I mean, what is that? And we already know that
40:24
Speaker 6: there are problems with the government's approach to monitoring. For example,
40:28
Speaker 6: the NZYQ cohort that the High Court chuck the laws
40:32
Speaker 6: out enabling us to keep a track of where these
40:34
Speaker 6: people are and what they're doing. They are, of course
40:37
Speaker 6: dangerous murderers and rapists that we can't get rid of
40:40
Speaker 6: out of this country. Labour have done nothing about securing
40:43
Speaker 6: us against any risk they may pose. So how a
40:45
Speaker 6: they're going to monitor these artist brides when they come
40:48
Speaker 6: back or indeed any of the children, and some of
40:51
Speaker 6: them are, of course, as one of your previous guests
40:53
Speaker 6: is already outlined older than the threshold fourteen years, and
40:58
Speaker 6: so they pose a different risk as well. I have
41:00
Speaker 6: no certainty around this government being able to provide us
41:03
Speaker 6: to security and safety we require.
41:05
Speaker 2: I just want to get your comment on how you
41:08
Speaker 2: know the Abaneze government just returning to the budget, how
41:11
Speaker 2: the Abenezi government is selling. Then you trust taxes as
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Speaker 2: a hit on the very wealthy, but we're hearing from
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Speaker 2: estate planners that it could actually hurt ordinary families trying
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Speaker 2: to protect vulnerable kids. Do you think this is in
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Speaker 2: effect a death tax?
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Speaker 6: It is a death tax. This is a at tax
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Speaker 6: on testamentary trusts, so the trust you leave behind after
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Speaker 6: you die in your will. And they say they're targeting
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Speaker 6: discretionary ones. Well, of course, numerous examples have been reeled
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Speaker 6: out throughout the day of families who are using these
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Speaker 6: types of trust to protect vulnerable disabled children, children with needs,
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Speaker 6: perhaps battling addiction, and to protect them from exploitation. Well,
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Speaker 6: now we're going to tax them. So you know you
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Speaker 6: want to get ahead in this country, this government's going
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Speaker 6: to do everything they can to stop you, even after
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Speaker 6: you've left this mortal coil. It's terrible what they're doing.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's awful.
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Speaker 2: Well, here was the treasure today because he was dismissing
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Speaker 2: this all as a scare campaign.
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Speaker 4: Have a look, it's best not to listen to the
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Speaker 4: scare campaigns from people who have a partisan or a
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Speaker 4: commercial interest in this. We're making sensible, common sense.
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Speaker 3: Changes your response to this, johno.
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Speaker 6: Oh, well, last time I checked, accountants, tax agents and
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Speaker 6: financial planners aren't really people with a partisan interest. They're
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Speaker 6: providing advice. They're the ones belling the cat on this
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Speaker 6: tax grab by government. The reality is they've overspent, they've
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Speaker 6: run out of money and they are just looking left
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Speaker 6: right and send it to find what they can take
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Speaker 6: out of people's pockets. And now they're taking it out
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Speaker 6: of the pockets of dead people.
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Speaker 3: It's a death tax.
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Speaker 6: It's a shame. They could do the honorable thing a
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Speaker 6: government should do in this situation and rain in expenditure.
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Speaker 6: It no too hard, Let's just tax the rich. That's
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Speaker 6: a bit of propaganda if ever I've seen.
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Speaker 2: It, John, Just before you go, one of your colleagues
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Speaker 2: in the Senate that most Australians have never heard of,
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Speaker 2: a Liberal senator called Andrew McLachlan has attacked Angus Taylor's
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Speaker 2: language and migration. He says that terms like mass migration
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Speaker 2: create fear in the community. What do you say to
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Speaker 2: your colleague Andrew McLachlin tonight.
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Speaker 6: Well, I would hope Andrew's words have come from a
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Speaker 6: place where it actually cares about the outcome of a
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Speaker 6: broken migration system. If you really care about getting the
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Speaker 6: right outcome for migrants, which I assume is what Andrew's
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Speaker 6: talking about there, then you would focus not on the
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Speaker 6: language that the opposition leaders using, you'd focus on the
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Speaker 6: broken system labor of presiding over where they bring in
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Speaker 6: one and a half a million new Australians, new migrants
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Speaker 6: into this country but only build five hundred thousand homes.
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Speaker 6: That's something to attack political leaders on a broken system.
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Speaker 6: So if you're worried about how migrants feel, how about
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Speaker 6: those migrants that don't have a house because labor brought
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Speaker 6: them in when they don't build enough to house them in.
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Speaker 6: They're the sorts of things we need to be fixated on,
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Speaker 6: not language. That's a waste of time. And frankly a
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Speaker 6: red herring.
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Speaker 2: Apparently this guy has been in the Senate for a
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Speaker 2: long time. I mean, how does someone like him get
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Speaker 2: on the Liberal party ticket when people like Holly Hughes,
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Speaker 2: you know, as controversial as she is, does make a
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Speaker 2: big impact in public life, and she can't get on
44:26
Speaker 2: the ticket.
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Speaker 6: There are dark and mysterious ways in which senators are
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Speaker 6: pre selected, and it varies from state to state, and
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Speaker 6: wobatide any senator to comment on another state processes. But
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Speaker 6: it's in the gift of the it's in the gift
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Speaker 6: of the membership. And in South Australia they've gifted a
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Speaker 6: number of people, including Andrew mcglocklan, a Senate seat there
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Speaker 6: and it's up to us to justify our existence as
44:51
Speaker 6: to those members and the people of Australia.
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Speaker 2: All right, Jona Dunniam, thank you very much. You have
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Speaker 2: certainly justified your existence on the show tonight. Appreciate your time.
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Speaker 2: Coming up next, Sir Frank Lowie's blunt message after the
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Speaker 2: massacre embrace the Australian way of life or leave plus
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Speaker 2: former ABC director Joe.
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Speaker 3: Gersh would join me live.
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Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 3: As I've been reporting tonight.
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Speaker 2: The ABC and SBS have rejected the antisemitism definition backed
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Speaker 2: by the Federal Government, the Royal Commission and the Special
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Speaker 2: Envoyage Ilian Siegel.
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Speaker 3: The public broadcasters.
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Speaker 2: Say they're protecting editorial independence, but why should taxpayer funded
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Speaker 2: media be setting their own rules on due hatred? Especially
45:37
Speaker 2: in the wake of the bond Eyed terror attack, and
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Speaker 2: it comes after the ABC completely ignored the antisemitism crisis
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Speaker 2: until there were fire bombings and vandalism that they couldn't
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Speaker 2: not report on. We'll joining me now is former ABC
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Speaker 2: director Joe Gersh live from New York. Joe, thanks for
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Speaker 2: joining us.
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Speaker 3: Look what do.
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Speaker 2: You make of the excuse given by the ABC that
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Speaker 2: they this will impact on their editorial coverage.
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Speaker 14: Well, I don't accept it at all. And more importantly,
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Speaker 14: I think we need to look at what the ABC
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Speaker 14: has been doing and not been doing in the time
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Speaker 14: since October seventh, twenty twenty three. I understand the argument
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Speaker 14: about editorial independence, I really do. But the ABC, I think,
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Speaker 14: would have to concede if they are being honest, that
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Speaker 14: there is now an institutional bias against Israel in their reporting,
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Speaker 14: in their coverage, in their commentary, and that feeds through
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Speaker 14: directly into the way in which the Australian Jewish community
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Speaker 14: is perceived, is treated, and is dealt with. And you
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Speaker 14: and I have talked about this before. We spoke about
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Speaker 14: well before BONDI, we spoke about why was Sky, Josh Rodenberg, yourself,
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Speaker 14: others dealing with the rising risk of anti Semitism. The
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Speaker 14: ABC were missing an action on the issue, and they're
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Speaker 14: missing This has been to some extent ameliorated since obviously
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Speaker 14: they've covered the Bundai massacre, they've covered the issue of
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Speaker 14: anti Semitism, they've covered the Royal Commission. But nonetheless, at
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Speaker 14: a time at which Australia's Jewish community were entitled to
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Speaker 14: expect of their public broadcaster. Yes, as you've mentioned, covered
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Speaker 14: by paid for by the taxpayer, that there would be
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Speaker 14: not institutional biased against Israel, but institutional sympathy towards the
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Speaker 14: Jewish community. Given what we're going through and sitting in
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Speaker 14: New York, by the way, if I open my curtains,
47:53
Speaker 14: you'd see the World Trade Center behind me, which is
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Speaker 14: a stark reminder of exactly what it is that we're
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Speaker 14: dealing with.
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Speaker 3: Here, exactly the same terror threat.
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Speaker 2: It's just that this time it's targeted specifically against the
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Speaker 2: Jewish community. Joe, I just want to ask you this question.
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Speaker 2: There's one thing that's been worrying me that a lot
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Speaker 2: of and we've only got two minutes left, I apologize,
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Speaker 2: but a lot of the evidence to the Royal Commission
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Speaker 2: is about, oh, you know, I don't support the actions
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Speaker 2: of the Israeli government. This is a problem, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: Shouldn't the Royal Commission be looking at media outlets like
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Speaker 2: the ABC and whether they have exacerbated the anti Semitism
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Speaker 2: crisis by demonizing Israel.
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Speaker 14: Well, I note that in the Royal Commission evidence, I'm
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Speaker 14: sitting overseas at the moment, But in the Royal Commission evidence,
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Speaker 14: you and I have been dealing with the ABC and
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Speaker 14: much of its reporting anecdotally. We've seen certain programs, we've
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Speaker 14: seen certain responses. In fact, what was submitted to the
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Speaker 14: Royal Commission was a forensic investigation of the ABC's institutional
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Speaker 14: biased against Israel, the misreporting, the repetition of lies, the
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Speaker 14: institutional biases. As I've mentioned Chris Kenny, I think wrote
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Speaker 14: about it in this week in this Weekend's Australian. That evidence,
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Speaker 14: I think should be taken into account very seriously by
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Speaker 14: the Royal Commission. Now they're going to make their findings
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Speaker 14: and they're going to make their recommendations. Sitting from a
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Speaker 14: distance as a parent and a grandparent active in the
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Speaker 14: Jewish community, and even though I thought I knew how
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Speaker 14: serious and how deep the problem was, the evidence that's
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Speaker 14: been presented to the Royal Commission, even I found harrowing
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Speaker 14: and deeply, deeply distressing. And yes, the media does have
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Speaker 14: to consider its role in creating the situation exactly.
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Speaker 2: Joe Gersh, thank you so much for joining us.
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Speaker 3: My pleasure from New York.
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Speaker 2: Have a safe trip, and thank you everyone for your
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Speaker 2: company this evening. I'll see you tomorrow night at eight o'clock.
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Speaker 2: Another big show. I've got another founder who's going to
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Speaker 2: lay to the budget.
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Speaker 3: But right now, poor Murray