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Monday Mini: An Update on Deepfakes · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha and welcome to stuff
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  Speaker 1: we never told your prediction of iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: And welcome to another edition of Monday Mini. Quick content warning.
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  Speaker 2: We are talking about pornography, sexual harassment, and stalking and exploitation,
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  Speaker 2: all of the gross stuff. I'm not necessarily going to
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  Speaker 2: get into specifics. I am going to talk about certain
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  Speaker 2: incidents and what's happening around the world.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, there you go.
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  Speaker 2: And in the world of this is why we can't
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  Speaker 2: have anything nice.
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  Speaker 3: We're talking about AI again.
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  Speaker 2: So we've had several episodes about the world of AI
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  Speaker 2: and how it's recently grown rapidly with all the talks
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  Speaker 2: about the advantages and disadvantages, including some of the backlash
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  Speaker 2: we talked with bridget about, who also talks a lot
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  Speaker 2: about it on her show. There are no girls on
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  Speaker 2: the Internet, and yeah, just overall, the usage of AI
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  Speaker 2: has grown with that continued backlash and concern so recently
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  Speaker 2: in South Korea. I know, I think my feed has
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  Speaker 2: a lot of South Korean information, but hey, a major
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  Speaker 2: incident occurred where it was discovered hundreds of men and
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  Speaker 2: boys were using AI to create deep fakes in order
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  Speaker 2: to harass or blackmail women. So here's a bit more
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  Speaker 2: from the BBC. Authorities. Journalists and social media users recently
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  Speaker 2: identified a large number of chat groups where members were
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  Speaker 2: creating and sharing sexually explicit deep fake images, including some
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  Speaker 2: of underage girls. Deep fakes are generated using artificial intelligence
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  Speaker 2: and often combined the face of a real person with
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  Speaker 2: a fake body.
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  Speaker 3: And it continues.
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  Speaker 2: The spate of chat groups linked to individual schools and
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  Speaker 2: universities across the country were discovered on the social media
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  Speaker 2: app Telegram over the past week. Users mainly teenage students,
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  Speaker 2: would upload photos of people they knew, both classmates and teachers,
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  Speaker 2: and other users would then turned them into sexually explicit
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  Speaker 2: deep fake images. The discoveries followed the arrest of the
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  Speaker 2: Russian born founder of Telegram, Pavel Durov, on Saturday, after
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  Speaker 2: it was alleged that child pornography, drug trafficking and fraud
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  Speaker 2: were taking place on the encrypted messaging app. And this
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  Speaker 2: is from The Guardian with a little more detail. Police
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  Speaker 2: will quote aggressively pursue people who make and spread the
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  Speaker 2: material in a seven month campaign due to start on Wednesday,
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  Speaker 2: the Yonhap news agency said, with a focus on those
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  Speaker 2: who exploit children and teenagers. After a long struggle to
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  Speaker 2: stamp out MLKA secretly filmed the material of a sexual nature,
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  Speaker 2: South Korea is now battling a wave of deep fake
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  Speaker 2: images deep fake videos targeting unspecified individuals who've been rapidly
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  Speaker 2: spreading through social media. President told a cabinet meeting. According
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  Speaker 2: to his office, many victims are miners and most perpetrators
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  Speaker 2: have also been identified as teenagers. He called on authorities
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  Speaker 2: to quote thoroughly investigate and address these digital sex crimes
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  Speaker 2: to eradicate them. According to the country's police agency, two
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  Speaker 2: hundred and ninety seven cases of deep fake crimes of
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  Speaker 2: a sexual nature were reported in the first seven months
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  Speaker 2: of the year, up from the one hundred eighty last
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  Speaker 2: year and nearly double the number in twenty twenty one,
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  Speaker 2: when data first began to be collated. Of this, one
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  Speaker 2: hundred and seventy eight people charged one hundred and thirteen
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  Speaker 2: or teenagers. But the problem is believed to be more
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  Speaker 2: serious than the official figures suggest. One telegram chat room
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  Speaker 2: has attracted about two hundred and twenty thousand members who
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  Speaker 2: create and share deep fakes images by doctoring photographs of
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  Speaker 2: women and girls. South Korean media said the victims include
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  Speaker 2: university students, teachers, and military personnel. So on, one analysis
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  Speaker 2: about South Korea's han Kiore newspaper to highlighted Telegram channels
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  Speaker 2: itself were being used to share deep fakes of female
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  Speaker 2: students and high school and middle school students. The Korean
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  Speaker 2: Teachers and Education Workers' Unions said it had learned of
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  Speaker 2: sexual deep fakes involving school students and had asked the
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  Speaker 2: Education Ministry to investigate. The investigation into sexually explicit deep
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  Speaker 2: fake images is expected to inflict further damage on Telegram's
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  Speaker 2: reputation in South Korea, where the app was used to
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  Speaker 2: operate an online sexual black mel ring which was a
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  Speaker 2: whole different conversation that was super gross and super disgusting
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  Speaker 2: and nobody being punished hardly. So as this incident just
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  Speaker 2: recently came to light, it isn't anything new, and it
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  Speaker 2: sounded like they have been investigating it. It took them
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  Speaker 2: a very long time to get to this point. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: South Korea is saying that the incidents like this have
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  Speaker 2: created a need to declare a national emergency. It hasn't
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  Speaker 2: yet though in South Korea alone. These deep fake sex crimes,
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  Speaker 2: as they are called have only increased. It's interesting because
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  Speaker 2: it says teenagers were responsible for a main amount of
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  Speaker 2: these offenses, so there's a lot to be said. They
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  Speaker 2: have talked about how there were men using their wives
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  Speaker 2: pictures as well, so that there was enough that they
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  Speaker 2: found that happening, which is odd.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, I've just been recently hearing.
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  Speaker 2: More and more stories of their own husbands doing this
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  Speaker 2: to their wives, but then also taking videos, explicit videos after.
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  Speaker 3: Their wives are asleep.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why this is popping up all my stuff,
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  Speaker 2: which is really concerning and wondering how often this happens,
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  Speaker 2: and it's just being talked about now and being found
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  Speaker 2: out about. And again, though this incident is specifically talking
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  Speaker 2: about South Korea, it's a bigger issue. We know this
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  Speaker 2: all around the world. In fact, as I was researching,
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  Speaker 2: I was trying to get some statistics. The first site
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  Speaker 2: that popped up was a site completely dedicated on deep
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  Speaker 2: fakes of celebrity porn videos. That was my first and
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  Speaker 2: like they was advertising like a porn hub saying, look,
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  Speaker 2: we have all of these, come and find your video,
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  Speaker 2: Come and find your celebrity you want to watch, and
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  Speaker 2: also how to find deep fakes online like showing all
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  Speaker 2: the taglines and where to find these taglines. So those
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  Speaker 2: were the first that popped them. So yeah, I've stubbed
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  Speaker 2: my algorithm for y'all.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just kidding. Anyway, Please, if you're listening to this,
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  Speaker 3: police people, I'm not trying to find it. I was researching.
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  Speaker 3: I'm only researching for those surveilling me. You know there
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  Speaker 3: would have known what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, There's so much that we need to talk about.
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  Speaker 2: For example, there are incidents here that happened in the US.
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  Speaker 3: I just haven't seen.
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  Speaker 2: It hasn't popped up on my feet, which is really unfortunate,
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  Speaker 2: including a student creating a deep fake porn of other
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  Speaker 2: students at a New Jersey high school and another incident
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  Speaker 2: in a Beverly Hills middle school. And I am very
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  Speaker 2: very disturbed by both of these things, obviously, but the
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  Speaker 2: fact that we're not talking about it, the fact that
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  Speaker 2: there's not really being much done or handled here.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, as I as I was writing
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  Speaker 2: this one, the word deep fake kept being caught on
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  Speaker 2: my word check spell check, and I'm like having to
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  Speaker 2: add this to my dictionary, and I'm like, wow, Google's
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  Speaker 2: not even upon the fact, even though they have a
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  Speaker 2: whole AI company that's not doing well. Apparently, the Beverly
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  Speaker 2: Hills Unified School District says it's working with the Beverly
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  Speaker 2: Hills Police Department in investigating this incident and those responsible
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  Speaker 2: will face a disciplining action. A mother of one of
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  Speaker 2: the students at the schools that many girls were targeted
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  Speaker 2: by the deep fake pornographic images, and she goes on
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  Speaker 2: to say her daughter was not one of the victims.
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  Speaker 2: She still feels victimized knowing that this is her friend.
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  Speaker 2: And of course the school came out with the statements
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  Speaker 2: and they would thoroughly punish. This is a form of
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  Speaker 2: bullying and we understand this. This is not going to
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  Speaker 2: be tolerated in the schools. And if other people have
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  Speaker 2: been involved, or you find images or know that someone
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  Speaker 2: has those images, please let us know so all those
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  Speaker 2: things are happening.
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  Speaker 3: However, again there are no real state laws about this.
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  Speaker 2: We know that it's difficult to go after people for
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  Speaker 2: bullying online, which we can show that is bullying. We
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  Speaker 2: know it's difficult to go after people for a revenge
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  Speaker 2: porn where their tape that they have been they had
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  Speaker 2: made may they didn't know they were being made, or
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  Speaker 2: they did know but was only consented for personal use,
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  Speaker 2: and then they use that against them or to blackmail
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  Speaker 2: people again, and there's no real law stopping this, Like
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  Speaker 2: there's laws that you can try to interpret, but that's
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  Speaker 2: a really sleazy game to play for someone who's been
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  Speaker 2: a victim of this. And again, if you're an up
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  Speaker 2: to date listener, you may remember us talking about the
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  Speaker 2: Taylor Swift deep fake that caused a flurry of conversation
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  Speaker 2: earlier this year, and how that did initially push lawmakers
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  Speaker 2: to taking a deeper look and present a bill to
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  Speaker 2: make a law allowing for victims to sue the people
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  Speaker 2: who have created these deep fakes under some circumstances. As
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  Speaker 2: reported by Time magazine. They say the disrupt Explicit Forged
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  Speaker 2: Images and non Consensual edits, or the Defiance Act, allows
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  Speaker 2: victims to sue if those who created the deep fakes
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  Speaker 2: knew or recklessly disregarded that the victim did not consent
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  Speaker 2: to its making. But the reality is there's no federal
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  Speaker 2: law making this illegal at all. And even with this law,
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  Speaker 2: it's very limiting, and honestly, I'm assuming only rich people
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  Speaker 2: people with some type of income are going to be
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  Speaker 2: able to take advantage of this type of law and legislation.
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  Speaker 2: Which again what mm hm that whole like take is
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  Speaker 2: like they're allowed to sue. Yeah, if it's recklessly disregarding,
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  Speaker 2: that's that's almost an excuse.
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  Speaker 4: I know.
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  Speaker 1: It's like I wasn't allowed to sue before. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like I should have already had that right now to rightee.
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  Speaker 3: And all they did was a mistake.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds like the way we're saying is that the
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  Speaker 2: person who created thiss just made a mistake.
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  Speaker 3: It was just it was just a reckless a little
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  Speaker 3: bit reckless.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is interesting because our laws are so behind
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  Speaker 1: on a lot of technology things. But as you've probably
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  Speaker 1: heard listeners also related to Taylor Swift, Donald Trump released
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  Speaker 1: some AI images of her and they're trying to figure
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  Speaker 1: out how to deal with that because there is a
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  Speaker 1: law that says you can't do that. But it's like
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  Speaker 1: not for technology, right, So we're just behind. We're just
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  Speaker 1: behind everybody. Yeah, everybody's behind.
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  Speaker 2: I mean the fact that South Korea does have a
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  Speaker 2: digital sex crime unit, that's great, but it also was
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  Speaker 2: because there has been so many complaints of women being like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: I'm being illegally taped. Yeah, and so they still really
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  Speaker 2: don't stop that, and it's only like a fine, right.
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  Speaker 1: And we've talked about this, like I believe we talked
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  Speaker 1: about it in that episode with bridget about this kind
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  Speaker 1: of thing is that it is largely women that this
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  Speaker 1: is impacting, and I think that points to a lot
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  Speaker 1: larger issue, like a systemic societal issue. But the fact
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  Speaker 1: is it is impacting more women. And it's once again
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  Speaker 1: another instance where it seems like a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: perhaps men in power sort of like, oh, well, that's
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  Speaker 1: the price of being online as a woman. That's just
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  Speaker 1: the price of existing as a woman. Doesn't impact me,
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  Speaker 1: So it's not a priority.
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  Speaker 3: I will say.
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  Speaker 2: The one thing that might happen now because the Lincoln
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  Speaker 2: Project apparently released an ad which I'm very surprised by,
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  Speaker 2: of an AI image of Donald Trump crying. So I
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  Speaker 2: have a feeling Donald Trump's gonna be pissed about that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and his campaign, So they're going to try to do
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  Speaker 2: something now that's been released.
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  Speaker 3: But again, and this is where I felt icky and
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  Speaker 3: like I don't know. I don't I will.
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  Speaker 2: Say from jomb I know nothing about the Lincoln Project,
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  Speaker 2: and from what I understand, they are very capitalistic opportunists
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  Speaker 2: that doesn't like Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't know what that means. I don't believe that.
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  Speaker 2: I think if I look deeper into it, and I
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  Speaker 2: know enough that I don't agree with what they are
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  Speaker 2: doing completely. Like I think some of the things could
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  Speaker 2: be funny, but at the same time, I'm like, hmm,
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  Speaker 2: you are not my cup of tea. I have a
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  Speaker 2: feeling we are on the posing side still type of conversation,
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  Speaker 2: so put that as a caveat. And with that, like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't like AI images anyway, and I feel like
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  Speaker 2: it should just be done with, Like there's no need
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  Speaker 2: for any of this unless you're making me a cute
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  Speaker 2: image of a raccoon or a squid with a hat,
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  Speaker 2: or an octopus with a hat, or a cute mini
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  Speaker 2: animal that I'm like, I wish this existed.
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  Speaker 3: I don't understand.
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  Speaker 1: Have I told you about search?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you have you yet to send me. You have
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  Speaker 2: not sent me any pictures eighty or real, so I'm
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  Speaker 2: still waiting. I've watched a clip with the octopus bargaining.
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  Speaker 2: We've all talked about this so many times. Part of
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  Speaker 2: our conversation even about deep faces. But yeah, I like
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  Speaker 2: either way, it's still kind of concerning. But as a reminder,
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  Speaker 2: here's some more information from Time about deep fakes. Non
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  Speaker 2: consensual pornographic deep fakes are alarmingly easy to access and create.
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  Speaker 2: Starting at the very top, there's a search engine where
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  Speaker 2: you can search how do I make a deep fake?
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  Speaker 2: Then they will give you a bunch of links. Carry Goldberg,
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  Speaker 2: an attorney who represents tech abuse victims, previously told Time
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  Speaker 2: deep fake software takes a person's photos and face swats
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  Speaker 2: them onto pornographic videos, making it appear as if the
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  Speaker 2: subject is partaking in sexual acts, and a twenty nineteen
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  Speaker 2: study found that ninety six percent of all deep fake
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  Speaker 2: videos were non consensual pornography. Ninety six percent. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: can't imagine the number's gonna be. Well, I guess the
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  Speaker 2: percentage may not change because the percentage works that way,
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  Speaker 2: But the actual numbers, I bet are huge. And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there's a currently no law or legislation to regulate deep
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  Speaker 2: fakes federally, but there is an act to research it.
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  Speaker 2: So here's some information from Thomson Ruters dot com. Currently,
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  Speaker 2: there's no comprehensive enacted federal legislation in the United States
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  Speaker 2: that bans or even regulates the fakes. However, the Identifying
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  Speaker 2: Outputs of Generative Adversarial Networks Act requires the Director of
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  Speaker 2: the National Science Foundation to support research for the development
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  Speaker 2: and measurements of standards needed to generate ga in outputs
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  Speaker 2: and any other comparable techniques developed in the future. Real talk,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what that's telling me other than they're
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  Speaker 2: just researching.
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  Speaker 3: Am I wrong?
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  Speaker 1: They're saying that they're gonna like make Yeah, they're gonna
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  Speaker 1: support research for maybe coming up with standards maybe later.
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  Speaker 3: They don't what they do with what they used to
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  Speaker 3: do before it got like outlawed.
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  Speaker 1: With gun violence all the time, they're like, well, we'll
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  Speaker 1: look into it, and then they never.
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  Speaker 2: So we're just on the same same route as being
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  Speaker 2: the gun regulation.
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  Speaker 3: Great great sounds, And.
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  Speaker 2: Back to that possible federal legislation we mentioned earlier, Thomson Ruters'
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  Speaker 2: Rights Congress is considering additional legislation that, if passed, would
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  Speaker 2: regulate the creation, disclosure, and dissemination of deep fakes. Some
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  Speaker 2: of the legislation includes the Deep Fake Report Act of
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  Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, which requires the Science and Technology Director in
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  Speaker 2: the US Department of Homeland Security to report at specified
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  Speaker 2: intervals on the state of digital content forgery technology. The
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  Speaker 2: Deep Fakes Accountability Act, which aims to protect national security
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  Speaker 2: against the threats posed by deep fake technology and to
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  Speaker 2: provide legal recourse to victims of harmful deep fakes. The
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  Speaker 2: Defiance Act of twenty twenty four, which would improve rights
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  Speaker 2: to relief for individuals affected by non consensual activities involving
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  Speaker 2: intimate digital forgeries and for other purposes. And the Protecting
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  Speaker 2: Consumers from a Deceptive ai I Act, which requires the
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  Speaker 2: National Institute of Standards and Technology to establish task force
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  Speaker 2: to facilitate and inform the development of technical standards and
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  Speaker 2: guidelines relating to the identifications of content created by GENAI
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  Speaker 2: to ensure the audio or visual content created or substantially
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  Speaker 2: modified by GENAI includes a disclosure to acknowledging that Genai
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  Speaker 2: origin of such content and for other purposes. So specifically,
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about four different acts that could help possibly regulate. Now,
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  Speaker 2: this again comes with the fact that we know that
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  Speaker 2: standards of regulation the Supreme Court set is no longer
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  Speaker 2: necessary in the US essentially, and they don't have to
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  Speaker 2: regulate anything. So that's a little concerning. So just as
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  Speaker 2: that as a reminder, also, this is four different ways
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  Speaker 2: of looking at it. It really doesn't seem like it's
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  Speaker 2: helping victims as well as it's punishing companies.
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  Speaker 3: But not even that hard, right.
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  Speaker 1: And we've seen that a million time, Like a company
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  Speaker 1: paying a fine that for them is to drop in
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  Speaker 1: the bucket. It might to us who don't have millions
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  Speaker 1: of dollars, if not billions, look like oh my god.
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  Speaker 1: But to them that's like nothing. And then they get
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  Speaker 1: to continue doing what they're doing, right, and probably making
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  Speaker 1: money off of the fact covering for that fine. Right,
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  Speaker 1: But they get to continue what they're doing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes more sense and money just to pay
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  Speaker 2: the fine and continue on like they're making so much
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  Speaker 2: again and then protecting the consumers from the sept of
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  Speaker 2: AI act.
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  Speaker 3: I really have a feelion this is going to go
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  Speaker 3: along the lines of the standards of like.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, let's put uh an FDA level of this so
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  Speaker 2: we can protect people's self. Nah, we don't need it.
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  Speaker 3: They're smart. If not, oh well they'll get over it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I bet there's going to be some arguments about I
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  Speaker 1: know there already have been, but I bet there's continued
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  Speaker 1: arguments about like freedom of speech and this right right
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  Speaker 1: infringing on freedom of speech, and.
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  Speaker 2: There's so many conversations and then even when you start
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  Speaker 2: like going down the slippery slope of like, but it's
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  Speaker 2: not really harming this people. We're not actually touching these
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  Speaker 2: world and better that we do this and actually O
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  Speaker 2: kidnap somebody.
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  Speaker 3: I mean that is absolutely a conversation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember an SVU episode and this kind of
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  Speaker 2: reminds me of this, in which they are shooting porn
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  Speaker 2: and they get a report saying that she's a fifteen
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  Speaker 2: year old having to shoot porn, so they go and
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  Speaker 2: bust it down. It turns out she was actually nineteen
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  Speaker 2: and they just use not They didn't say AI, they
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: said photoshop, which is essentially the same thing. They use
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: photoshop to de age her, and they're like, look at
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: this technology. It's gonna save so many children.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: You're like, oh, no, that's not what's happening.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: And the debate wasn't that SVU wasn't trying to law
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: and order. SVU y'all if you know, you know hard
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: to tell you, I love you, Yes, But like there
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: were they weren't arguing for either they were like, ehh,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: and this is the bigger debate of like what is
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: going to happen with the children and the porn industry
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: and child abuse and all this, and by the way,
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: also as big as that conversation about save the children.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: This is not being mentioned much. Yeah, this is not
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: being mentioned much. Uh, Like, I'm really wondering the level
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: of like, is anybody taking this seriously?
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Why are you not taking this seriously? Literally?
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: They were using this type of technology in South Korea
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: to black male women and to sexual coercion, Like they
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: were using this to be like if you don't do
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: this with me, I'm gonna release this and shame you,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: and I will say this is in South Korea, and
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: South Korea it's like, no, they're going to go after
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: the women. They are more than they are going to
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: go after the perpetrators, no matter what, no matter what,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: just for the sake of the victim. Blaming is heavy,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: and it's not just in South Korea. Just existing like
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: people saying you put her on the internet, what did
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: you expect? You have a picture on the internet, what
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: did you expect? That level of conversation is so disheartening,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: but it's too real.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: It's just real.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: And the fact that they are not caring enough that
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: all they can do is will give you the power
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: to sue.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: How about that? How about that?
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: And you may or may not win because you have
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: to prove that it was a reckless disregard of your safety.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: What does that mean?
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: That's I mean, I can already tell that's designed to
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: be difficult to prove it.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: You really think you're doing something here, like what is
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: this that you're doing? So I will say as of today,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: around ten sakes in the US have placed their own
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: regulations on it. But three of those says seemed only
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: to be concerned about how candidates and elections will be affected,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: so literally specifies to say it if it damages the
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: candidate's campaign. M three out of ten are those I
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: was like, wait, wow, wait, w let's all run for
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: off right. I guess that's the only way you're going
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: to be protected. Do it every year, no matter what,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: just to coming in as then if you win, sorry.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: And around five of them are specific. Two usage of
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: sexual content, but it's more specific related to minors, which
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: is necessary, yes, but I feel like, again.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: A victim is a victim as a victim.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they had to put that under like, well,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: first let's care about the children, right, then we'll talk
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: about everything else. Again, this is a bit confusing on
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: in general and the others. When I looked it up,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: was just generic. It was just a generic conversation about
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: like don't do this, don't do that. But it really
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: wasn't about none. Nobody talked about jail time. No one
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: really talks about criminal charges.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: Mm hmmm.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: So there's no conversations because we know that if you
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: possess child porn, you should be on the sexual Fender registry,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: which has its good and bads too, y'all. Like that's
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: a whole separate conversation that we can have. And I'm
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: not saying that we don't need to tell people about
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: sexual offenders.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: We definitely do.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: But this has been a power play and is a
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: racist play that needs to be talked about as well,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: because people can come off of it really quickly if
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: you have money. Anyway, Oh, the system is corrupt. This
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: system is corrupt. But AI is not helping in any
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: least way. The fact that the first things that popped
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: out my site was that like, here you have access
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: to all this porn was so deeply fit like by
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: I just kind of sat there and stared at it.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: First I was like, I messed up. I done messed up.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: That was that moment. I was like, oh, I didn't
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: messed up.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Second and I was like, why why is this at
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: the top of the search. Shouldn't it be like something else,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Like shouldn't it be like like, yeah, this is a concern.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: And when you look it up, it does show the
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: South Korean incident as the biggest headline, which I think
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: is interesting as well because we're so easy to like
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: pinpoint other areas first when there's a huge issue here, y'all.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: It's a lot, it.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Is, and we're definitely going to have to come back
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: and revisit this because technology is changing so quickly. And
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: I do think, as Bridget always puts so well in
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: her episodes she comes on and does with us, I
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: think a lot of the victim blaming also comes back
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: to you agreed on that thing, the contract that you're
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: going to use this you're going to use this product online,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: and therefore you basically have agreed to it.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: But it's not true.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Like the way that we live, you can't live without
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: a lot of those things. You can't succeed without a
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: lot of those things. And to say like a company
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: is just kind of shrugging at you and your safety
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: and the way that you exist online. I don't think
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: is legit. I don't think that should be a thing.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: So yeah, we have a lot of a lot of
• 24:15
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• 24:19
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