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INTERVIEW: Deante' Hitchcock Talks New Album 'Junkie In The Sun,' 100,000 CD Sales Campaign, Sobriety, Family, Freestyling + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Every day up waiting, click your ass up the Breakfast Club.
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  Speaker 2: You don't finish for y'all done, yep's the world.
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  Speaker 3: They just want to show the Breakfast Club Charlamagne to God,
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  Speaker 3: well DJ Envy just hilarious and Charlomagne the God and
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  Speaker 3: be not here right now. But Laura Learro say, is
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  Speaker 3: we got a special guest in the building. I've been
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  Speaker 3: watching this dude freestyling cars for.
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  Speaker 2: A long time.
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  Speaker 3: Beyonta, what's happening to my brother on the road to
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  Speaker 3: a one hundred thousand? You're trying to tell one hundred
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  Speaker 3: thousands of these things? Not even trying.
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  Speaker 4: It's done.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking and now speaking.
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  Speaker 1: Of that's fire.
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  Speaker 3: The name of the album, Junkie in the Sun, Yes, sir,
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  Speaker 3: how long have you been an atticant?
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  Speaker 2: What can we do to help you? Look?
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  Speaker 1: Man?
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  Speaker 5: So I'm glad I'm clean. Here, I'm saying, we're just
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  Speaker 5: trying to do the best that we can get you
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  Speaker 5: feel me, But not for real. Junk in the Sun
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  Speaker 5: it has a different meaning. It's not necessarily about me
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  Speaker 5: being on drugs, even though I had my fair share on.
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  Speaker 4: The drugs more mos no, none of that.
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  Speaker 5: But it's about all of us being junkies in our
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  Speaker 5: own like respective way.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 5: We all got stuff that we were shamed about, that
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  Speaker 5: we embarrassed about, whatever whatever. But God, God don't really
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  Speaker 5: turn God's light from us, you know. I mean, like
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  Speaker 5: we junkies on our own way, we're the junkies. God
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  Speaker 5: is the sun, you feel me. But God's sunlight don't
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  Speaker 5: never stop shining, know you, No matter what you got
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  Speaker 5: going on, no matter what you are, exactly what you
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  Speaker 5: embarrassed about, whatever you were shamed about, whatever the case,
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  Speaker 5: God still shine God's light on you.
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  Speaker 2: You feel me? So? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: In the cover, you did the cover yourself?
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  Speaker 4: No head, No, I got my best friend actually did
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  Speaker 4: the cover.
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  Speaker 1: That's fine.
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  Speaker 2: I got.
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  Speaker 4: Your name is Jay.
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  Speaker 5: If you need any commissions or anything like that, she
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  Speaker 5: got you about to say, you can find on by J.
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  Speaker 4: That's b y j A I y E on Instagram.
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  Speaker 2: What made you want to get off?
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  Speaker 3: Like leave leave leave the drug law though even even
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  Speaker 3: for recreational purpose.
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  Speaker 4: Being a father, I.
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  Speaker 5: Think kind of like took me away from I stopped
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  Speaker 5: smoking when my son was born. I did, Uh, this
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  Speaker 5: is probably two years ago, and I came home and
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  Speaker 5: picked him up in his eyes like buzzing out of
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  Speaker 5: his head, Threwhimcross was like, I gotta stop.
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  Speaker 4: That's crazy, scared as hell right now.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you about to say trying to start drinking too,
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  Speaker 5: that's next. I got back from Vegas when I did
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  Speaker 5: for my basket part, I'm getting.
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  Speaker 4: Married this ship. Congratulations, appreciate that.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, that's that's when your life gonna really change.
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  Speaker 4: I believe I'm excited about it things at one time.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, do you feel like it never helped your creative
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  Speaker 6: process when you know what the drugs, the shrooms that
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  Speaker 6: you know not for sure drink all.
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  Speaker 4: Just just different parts of life for show.
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  Speaker 5: I think I'm trying to figure out or trying to
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  Speaker 5: find out how to not necessarily rely on whether it
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  Speaker 5: be pain or whether it be.
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  Speaker 4: Just darkness or substances in general.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, like I can be happy and still too
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  Speaker 5: or I can be living my regular degular life and
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  Speaker 5: still create this inspiration all around, whether you're on some
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  Speaker 5: super clicked the ship, the birds, the bees, the sounds
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  Speaker 5: of the wind, whatever the case, it's inspiration around.
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  Speaker 1: So you never needed any of those.
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  Speaker 6: They've never served as vices, like you've never needed any
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  Speaker 6: of those two actually.
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  Speaker 5: Rap, No, not in the sense of needed them. So
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  Speaker 5: they helped and they did what they did the show,
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  Speaker 5: but nah, never needed.
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  Speaker 1: So this is sober album junkin Son.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah saw this one everything drinking a little bit, drinking
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  Speaker 5: a little bit on this one I.
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  Speaker 2: Saw.
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  Speaker 7: Kelly Rowland says she's been sober for a year and hers, yeah,
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  Speaker 7: hers was because of like she's wanted to be like
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  Speaker 7: healthy and like, you know, just wake up better. Geors
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  Speaker 7: is just solely because you're about to be marrying you
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  Speaker 7: and be like what what sparked the I don't want
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  Speaker 7: to drink no more?
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  Speaker 5: No, I think that not one to drink no more
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  Speaker 5: is just getting older. It's hurt now. She said that
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  Speaker 5: I was drinking. I went to a school called Georgia Southern.
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  Speaker 5: I want nothing to do but drink. I was drinking
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  Speaker 5: ever clear for like four years. Damn exactly a liveing
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  Speaker 5: with like a grocery bag.
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  Speaker 7: At this point isn't ever clear the right.
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  Speaker 2: Swallow it.
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  Speaker 7: When I first out on campus, you had to do
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  Speaker 7: a shot at that to be initiated into the thirsty Thursdays.
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  Speaker 4: That's somebody definitely made us in the bath.
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  Speaker 3: Terrible but you thinks like about your music, man, and
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  Speaker 3: just the way you wrap, You've always sounded like you're
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  Speaker 3: having a conversation with yourself.
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  Speaker 2: What question are you still trying to answer through your
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  Speaker 2: art and and and that junkies son is man.
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  Speaker 5: I think I've always been trying to figure out, like
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  Speaker 5: who I am. You know what I'm saying, whether that's artistically,
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  Speaker 5: whether that's just as a person I think I got.
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to say a lot of trump I
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  Speaker 5: don't want to do the wholest poetic.
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  Speaker 2: You got a lot of trauma. You got a lot
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  Speaker 2: of trauma, don't.
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  Speaker 5: We are people and we all got we deal with whatever,
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  Speaker 5: and it's uh turned us into who we are today.
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  Speaker 5: But I'm trying to figure out how to how to
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  Speaker 5: find out how to just exist. I still like being
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  Speaker 5: able to work through these things. At the same time,
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  Speaker 5: I look at myself as like a product of my productivity.
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  Speaker 5: You feel me, It's like, all right, cool, if I'm working,
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  Speaker 5: if I'm doing my thing, I don't feel guilty if
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  Speaker 5: I can stop and just breathe. I feel guilty about that. Yeah, mean,
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  Speaker 5: I feel guilty about not doing certain things. So it's like,
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  Speaker 5: how do I get out of that space. It's actually
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  Speaker 5: like figure out what I like to do outside of
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  Speaker 5: my work. I'm not my work. And then even when
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  Speaker 5: my mama introduced me before we had my son, before
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  Speaker 5: I had my son, she would introduced me like, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: it's my son the rapper. Now she introduced me, is
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  Speaker 5: this my son? He's Auto's dad, that's my son's name.
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  Speaker 5: It's like, Damn, I had a whole little uh. It's
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  Speaker 5: like a small identity crisis when I was first becoming
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  Speaker 5: a father, Like Damn, who am I outside of all
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  Speaker 5: of these things that I do or outside of all
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  Speaker 5: of these other things that I am externally?
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  Speaker 4: And I still ain't figured that out yet. So I'm
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  Speaker 4: trying to.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think of some shit that you just know for.
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  Speaker 5: It's a lifelong things.
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  Speaker 6: For because you're going into the era of dad and
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  Speaker 6: husband now it's about to be a whole new phase.
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  Speaker 2: You about to be even more confused. There's nothing wrong
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  Speaker 2: with that. I'm trying.
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  Speaker 3: I'm forty eight years old, four kids. Every single child
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  Speaker 3: has taught me something different, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 3: Like being a father, being a husband teaches you something different.
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  Speaker 3: And every day I wake up, honestly, just open to learn,
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  Speaker 3: because if you think you know it all, you're gonna
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  Speaker 3: lose your free if you think you are worse off,
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  Speaker 3: if you think you know how it's supposed to be.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh my god, our kids is crazy. I don't
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  Speaker 4: know if we're running it back. Yeah for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Anybody to get married, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: You d it up over here?
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  Speaker 7: Is it just like a lot for you to get
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  Speaker 7: used to because the life start changing.
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  Speaker 5: Like what yeah lifestyle ties for show and you know
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  Speaker 5: what I'm saying, once we get past once my son
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  Speaker 5: turns like six, I'm not.
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  Speaker 4: Going back to pampers for anybody.
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  Speaker 5: So that my oldest not putting another baby in no pamps. Listen,
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  Speaker 5: I was in wild mind. My son shut up his back.
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  Speaker 5: I'm never going to.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to parent head. That's just what that is.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes it's fine. How old is he fo?
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  Speaker 3: My oldest eighteen, my second oldest ten, and then I
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  Speaker 3: got a seven year old, the four year old, so
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  Speaker 3: none of it was playing.
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  Speaker 4: So that's a crazy ass eight years. That's how me
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  Speaker 4: and my brother years. We got a little sister she
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  Speaker 4: had years Part two, all of us older, younger, that's crazy.
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  Speaker 4: He younger, okay, okay, he came out with the Mustags.
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  Speaker 6: So you've been rapping since you were twelve. Sure, you
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  Speaker 6: dropped your first mixtape in college and then your first
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  Speaker 6: official mixtape in twenty fifteen.
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  Speaker 1: So you've been wrapping over ten.
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  Speaker 6: Years, right, What keeps you like still fresh with it today?
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  Speaker 6: Like you like, what keeps you going? Like that's that's
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  Speaker 6: ten years. No, that's not like a whole lot compared
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  Speaker 6: to like other people. But it's like you've been known
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  Speaker 6: for your freestyles, like you don't have a runout, Like
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  Speaker 6: what keeps it?
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  Speaker 5: Always has shit to talk about, Like always y'all gonna
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  Speaker 5: say some crazy shit, Donald Trump gonna do some crazy shit, whatever,
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  Speaker 5: catch like it's gonna be something that happens in the
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  Speaker 5: world and somebody exactly what I mean. Like it's always
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  Speaker 5: to go back to the birds and the wind, and
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  Speaker 5: it's always something to pull it from, you mean, and
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  Speaker 5: just trying to get better, like I feel like so,
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  Speaker 5: like I said, like you said, I've been rapping since
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  Speaker 5: I was twelve, but I've had all of these moments
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  Speaker 5: where it felt like things were finally gonna be actualized.
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  Speaker 5: I was gonna arrive in that sense, And every time
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  Speaker 5: it was something that just like took it away. I
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  Speaker 5: dropped my debut album and the COVID happened. It's like
• 8:45
  Speaker 5: the world stop. I mean, I've been on We went
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  Speaker 5: on tour with Rhapsody in twenty seventeen, so with jig
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  Speaker 5: Or Black, all of that, and like, all of that
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  Speaker 5: happened before we even put out a project. So when
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  Speaker 5: it came time, it's like, we don't finally put out
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  Speaker 5: our project, we from the headline on to it.
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  Speaker 4: The whole world shit down.
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  Speaker 5: Cool that happened. We was just talking about in the
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  Speaker 5: green room. We put out another record, card Wide Open.
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  Speaker 5: It's at the time when gold Link kind of just
• 9:13
  Speaker 5: blew up the Crew joint. But then right after that
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  Speaker 5: he said the crazy shit about Mac Miller and that
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  Speaker 5: kind of didn't get a chance to go house. It's
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  Speaker 5: always been something like that time wise, and it's like
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  Speaker 5: I'm trying to figure out what it looks like on
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  Speaker 5: the other side of that. For one, and too, there's
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  Speaker 5: there's a validation involved as well, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 5: whether I like to admit it or not, external and
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  Speaker 5: internal feeling like I've gotten good enough to the point
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  Speaker 5: where everything else starts to reflect that.
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  Speaker 6: You know what, I mean, so you feel like you're
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  Speaker 6: still trying to break that barrier to mainstream.
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  Speaker 5: Sure, yeah, I said it's different now, you know what
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  Speaker 5: I'm saying. Everything fractured like a mug out the audiences
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  Speaker 5: and whether you're on Netflix, whether you're on Spotify, everything
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  Speaker 5: is tailored to you.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
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  Speaker 5: There's no central point like this is one actually one
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  Speaker 5: of the last central points. Won't have one on six
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  Speaker 5: and part no more, folks ain't listening to the radio.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 7: People listen to the radio. They oh, let me tell
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  Speaker 7: you radio changed.
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  Speaker 1: Yea, it depends. I'm back home.
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  Speaker 5: We in the South, Like everybody got I scored in
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  Speaker 5: the car nobody I mean listening to anything down there
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  Speaker 5: were definitely watch on Netflix, definitely watch online, but actually
• 10:25
  Speaker 5: sitting in the car and yeah, station played the same thing.
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  Speaker 5: So everybody's like, oh, this is the hot song right now,
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  Speaker 5: this is what's going crazy?
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  Speaker 4: That don't really excuse.
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  Speaker 6: Back in the day, we didn't have and Apple Music
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  Speaker 6: and on Spotify and all you had to hear the
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  Speaker 6: same songs and you had to call up and complain
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  Speaker 6: like yo, can we can I request?
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  Speaker 4: Like you ain't gotta do that?
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  Speaker 3: The project how did you deal with realizing that talent
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  Speaker 3: alone doesn't determine who becomes the stupid stuff? Because I
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  Speaker 3: remember I don't know if it was your first three start.
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  Speaker 3: I remember you wrapping from the car. Yeah, and then
• 11:00
  Speaker 3: everybody talking about Deyontay, Hitchcock, Hitchcock.
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  Speaker 2: It was like, Okay, Deontay, next up, Deontay, next up.
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  Speaker 2: But clearly it takes more than town.
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  Speaker 1: Nah.
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  Speaker 4: I think it always has.
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  Speaker 5: But it definitely was a reality check, like when you
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  Speaker 5: in it as an artist, I think it's it's easy
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  Speaker 5: to get uh. I don't want to be dramatic, but
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  Speaker 5: a little entitled about it. It's like, dang, I know
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  Speaker 5: I'm good. Whyn't the people like responding to me like
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  Speaker 5: that type ass? But I remember when I dropped out
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  Speaker 5: when I started doing the carfreeside, I got into a
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  Speaker 5: car accident, ended up dude hit me. They ended up
• 11:35
  Speaker 5: paying for like a drop top Mustang.
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  Speaker 4: I had like two three weeks.
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  Speaker 5: So I started doing the car freestyles and a little
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  Speaker 5: really back there is the one who recorded them was
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  Speaker 5: the first one, as you saw, I recorded them, and
• 11:45
  Speaker 5: you were one of the first people to hit me up.
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  Speaker 5: It was you, and it was wallet that was some
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  Speaker 5: of the first two who actually made me feel like, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: I'm on the right track. It was at the time
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  Speaker 5: I didn't know. I mean, I just dropped out. My
• 11:56
  Speaker 5: mama was on my ass, everybody, my grandma, they paying
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  Speaker 5: for it, like now you're treating you back in school.
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  Speaker 5: And then you hear me up while they hear.
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  Speaker 4: Me bless you.
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  Speaker 5: And from there it was like, okay, even with just
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  Speaker 5: the talent, like I don't necessarily have.
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  Speaker 4: The money and the money the team behind me.
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  Speaker 5: At this point, just seeing people resonate with it at
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  Speaker 5: all made me feel like, Okay, they here's something here.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I know talent isn't enough, but it's a
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  Speaker 5: pretty requisite for sure.
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  Speaker 2: That's once you know. I didn't bless her because that
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  Speaker 2: went cough.
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  Speaker 7: I thought it was mixed.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to make sure that I think I was.
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  Speaker 2: I would have blessed you too, but whatever.
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  Speaker 6: Anyway, So when your uncle Marlin, who is uh the
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  Speaker 6: writer for TLC No Scrubs, when he introduced you to
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  Speaker 6: music when you were twelve, he like, prepare you for like,
• 12:47
  Speaker 6: you know, the business, like the business of it, because
• 12:50
  Speaker 6: you're gonna need an engine to push you like that
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  Speaker 6: you know.
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  Speaker 5: I don't even think he knew like all of the
• 12:55
  Speaker 5: intricacies of it. I mean, like he was writing and
• 12:58
  Speaker 5: this crazy thing out of the story. I still don't
• 13:00
  Speaker 5: have the exact thing. But there's a dude named Shakespeare
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  Speaker 5: Briggs who actually uh wrote most of that song and
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  Speaker 5: my uncle Marlin they got him confused and I had
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  Speaker 5: a Yeah, I had a couple of interviews that I
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  Speaker 5: got him confused with.
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  Speaker 4: I would say he did some writing. I'm not sure
• 13:17
  Speaker 4: if it was that.
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  Speaker 6: Anymore, but he contributed to in some type of ways.
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  Speaker 5: To say, I don't even think he knew like everything
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  Speaker 5: about it. I'm in it now for real, and I
• 13:29
  Speaker 5: don't even know all of it. You feel me like
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  Speaker 5: I'm still learning as I go. So yeah, I think
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  Speaker 5: he got me ready the best that he could. I
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  Speaker 5: mean he could changed and I was twelve. It's like
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  Speaker 5: you don't want to just throw out that on the
• 13:41
  Speaker 5: twelve year like yeah, crushy dreams.
• 13:45
  Speaker 3: And you rap about faith without sounding preachy, right, It
• 13:49
  Speaker 3: like like, what role has your relationship with God played,
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  Speaker 3: Like during the moments when I guess your career wasn't
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  Speaker 3: going to way you.
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  Speaker 2: Expected to do.
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  Speaker 5: I think I've been figuring it out, Like it ain't
• 14:00
  Speaker 5: started off in church. I think I went to church
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  Speaker 5: into my folks divorce. So our church used to be
• 14:06
  Speaker 5: over there off of a bank head, literally up the
• 14:08
  Speaker 5: road from right street, freezing right there type app So
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  Speaker 5: as we're going to church, you know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 5: I'm seeing all of these things that are kind of
• 14:15
  Speaker 5: like adjacent to church. You feel me the homeless man,
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  Speaker 5: draw whatever the case, like Jankie's in the sun crazy enough.
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  Speaker 5: So I think my relationship with God has always been
• 14:23
  Speaker 5: that kind of like dual type of vibe. You feel
• 14:27
  Speaker 5: me like the good and the bad of it.
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  Speaker 4: I'm I hate to use.
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  Speaker 5: The cliche joint where it folks be like I'm a
• 14:34
  Speaker 5: little more spiritual than religious type, but I think that's
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  Speaker 5: what it is like.
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  Speaker 4: I'm trying to figure out what my walk looks like.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I've had the little mini psycoasts where I
• 14:45
  Speaker 5: believe all of us are God type abs and we
• 14:47
  Speaker 5: are the same person, the egg theory and this that
• 14:49
  Speaker 5: and the third, but it's it's changed so many times,
• 14:52
  Speaker 5: and I'm trying to figure out just what it looks like,
• 14:54
  Speaker 5: I mean, and what instilled and my boy to tell
• 14:57
  Speaker 5: him like we're trying to figure that out too. That
• 15:00
  Speaker 5: actually through monkey wrenching everything, but yeah, it.
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: Was at least you're trying to figure it out though.
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was almost there.
• 15:07
  Speaker 7: Is that your story or are you telling the story
• 15:10
  Speaker 7: of someone else that was me? So that's a really
• 15:13
  Speaker 7: heavy song. And I brought that up when he's talking
• 15:17
  Speaker 7: about God because I was wondering because in that song
• 15:19
  Speaker 7: you're talking about basically like the it's like a double
• 15:22
  Speaker 7: flip on like committing suicide but also or potentially doing
• 15:25
  Speaker 7: that right but then surviving it or trying to figure
• 15:27
  Speaker 7: out if the person survives it in that or in
• 15:30
  Speaker 7: those moments, how did your faith in your relationship with
• 15:33
  Speaker 7: God kind of like walk you through to the point
• 15:35
  Speaker 7: where like you're here with us right now.
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: I don't even know if I actually thought about God
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: in that time, and that may have been why I
• 15:45
  Speaker 5: was as low as I would type of Like I said,
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: you look at the cover, there's the flowers that are
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: in the sunlight. All of them are in the sunlight
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: for it. But if you look at the bottom you
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: see the joints. Yeah, they're kind of wilty there too.
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: The sun is still shining on but they can't feel it,
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: stay behind all the other stuff. And I think that's
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: the kind of space that I was in. I mean,
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: like that was ship going on for sure, but I
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: think I was too in my own head to see
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: like the blessings that I had around me still. I mean,
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: I think that's the case for all of us. I
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: mean when we're going through darkness like that, because everybody
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: we wake up in the morning, I mean just being here.
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: Out of ship.
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: I got my little brother, I got my fault with me,
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: like that's blessings in themselves. But we get so wrapped
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: up and like shit, it just seemed like it's never
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: gonna stop, you know what I mean.
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: But you ain't never had a bad day. You can't beat.
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: All of us have been through some ship. We came
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: out on the other side. But yeah, she'd get dark.
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: Let's it for everybody.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: So what does the sun represent? You got? Okay?
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, is directly man, It's always there, it's always shining.
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: I mean, but I had an interview with my body
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: at Kyle and yeah, now my namesake cat so nah,
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: I was talking about the sun being light. He had
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: said something that really like fucked with me, and he
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: was like, yeah, well, for some people, the sun's heat.
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: And it's like that ship. Don't always feel like this
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: warm embrace.
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: Sometimes it feel overwhelming over ben you want to get
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: in the house, you want to get away from it.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: Damn.
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: That is another way to think of it, because yeah,
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: that's different things for everybody at different times.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: That is also sun screen and this climate change. You
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: can't blame it all. You ever heard the story of
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: the sun and the wind.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: No, there's a story about the sun and the wind, right,
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: and it's the sun and the wind were battling to
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: see who could uh make a guy remove his jacket,
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: and so the wind went first, and the wind is
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: blowing all crazy and you know, trying to rip the
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: jacket off. But the guy ends up holding the jacket.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Tightle you know what I mean. And the sun comes
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: out and shines his light.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: It's all bright, you know, just warm. So the guy
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: ends up taking the jacket off and then ends up
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: taking his shirt all like. He ends up blaming the tree.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: But but it's just saying to be the sun, you
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: warm and in biting, you know what I mean, to
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: like being I guess a bully trying to blow the
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: body's house down.
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: But it sounds like it got too hot because he
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: didn't just take the jacket off.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: He got comfortable.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: It got to the point where he just didn't want
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: to He wanted to take off more than his jacket.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: He literally laid under the tree and went to sleep
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: and relax. I don't even know why we started talking about.
• 18:30
  Speaker 7: That, what the sun was, and then he started the
• 18:34
  Speaker 7: last part.
• 18:35
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm trying to make him feel like but a junkie,
• 18:46
  Speaker 8: right if someone addicted to something, what are you addicted
• 18:48
  Speaker 8: to these days?
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: That isn't a drug?
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: That isn't a drug? Look was something about earlier. I
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: think mine right now that I'm trying to work through
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: is the validation. It's trying to figure that out because
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: I'm I'm a whey of it. I know that I've
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: always wanted people to look at my work at a
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: certain level. I mean to respect in a certain light,
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: and I didn't think that I'd gotten that for a
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: long time. This is the first time i feel like
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: I'm standing next to a project that I'm proud of
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: that people are receiving the same way that I want
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: them to, and that feels really, really good. But I
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: also know that too much of that can fuck me
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: up and in so it's like trying to gauze that.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: And yeah, understand, I guess that's why I asked you,
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: what do the sun represent to you? Because you said God?
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: But can it be things like validation? Can it be success?
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Can it be peace?
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Now?
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: So I think that's the that's the substance for sure.
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: God is going to set me no matter what I
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: got going on, whether I get the validation where I
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: never make it, whether it's the last interview I do,
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: whatever the case, like that light is still gonna be there.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: God is always still gonna be there.
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: Whatever problems that I'm dealing with, the external stuff, the embarrassment, shame, guilt,
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: whatever it is, or the good stuff, I mean, any
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: of it, over indulgence, whatever the case, God's still gonna
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: be there.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: So the sun is son has always got. You got
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: the song Heaven on Earth It closes out the album.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: What does Heaven on Earth looked like to Deontay Hitchcock?
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: Peace for sure, like peace of mind overthink a lot
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: of things, and I think I'm trying to get to
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: the point where it's just like I can exist now,
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: you know, what I mean, and I'm not thinking about
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: two years from now. I'm not thinking about a man,
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: what I got to do to say, these hundred thousand albums,
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: How we're gonna get my son through school, how we're
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: gonna pay for the wind woo. It's like right now,
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: it's like I prayed for this moment. Ten years ago
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: you would call me. My mom used to play kickball.
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: It was a kickball tournament. That's when you called me.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: I was like, this shit is crazy. I got to
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: get to the bridge.
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: Club one day, and now we hear ten years from now,
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: I mean ten years from there, and I prayed for that.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: So it's like, dang, ten years ago, that's what I
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: was looking forward to, and now I'm here and I'm
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: still looking forward to something else. Like how do I
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: get to the point It's like I'm I don't want
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: to say content because I hate the word content, but
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: just happy with what I got going on at this
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: prison moment.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: That's what I want.
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: Is there is like because I can identify what your
• 21:12
  Speaker 7: feeling of like because when I listen to I just
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: want to it seems like, you know, there's all these
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: ones and then things like flip like right, And I
• 21:19
  Speaker 7: always ask myself, like the things that I want when
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: I get them and changes, Like you said, so do
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: they like are once really a thing? Or is that
• 21:26
  Speaker 7: something that we're telling ourselves? Like what's wrong with being
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: content and knowing that? Like your content is just a
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: feeling of peace, but there will always be more things
• 21:34
  Speaker 7: that you need to do, Like why do we fight
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: back against a piece of being content? Like I don't
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: know if that makes sense to y'all, but nah.
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: For sure it does. I think it's how it's been
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: talk to us. In a sense, Content to me feels
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: like stagnationals like I stop here.
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: But you know yourself and you know your work, right,
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: So it's like you know that if you get to
• 21:55
  Speaker 7: a point where you accomplish something just who you are
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: and how you are about your craft, there's going to
• 21:59
  Speaker 7: be other things that the universe naturally just says, Hey,
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: now we got to walk into this, So why do
• 22:04
  Speaker 7: we fight against It's like the surviving versus living conversation,
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: Like we love to like say I want to live,
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: I don't want to survive, but when we get out
• 22:11
  Speaker 7: of survival mode, you find your way right back to it.
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: Like because I don't think we know, or some of
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: us might. I'm not gonna speak for everybody, but in
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: my head it may change. It's like I know today
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: and to mom like, damn, well, if I stop, they gonna.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: Love me type right.
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: Steph Curry Win had the best season ever and then
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: he didn't play the next year.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: How long do we talk about Steph Currey?
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: How long does that last?
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: I mean, they're the greatest team ever until somebody passes that.
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: Then it's like I got to get back in and
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: re establish myself. They got to remember my name, whatever
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: the case. But I sat down for this project. I
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: sat down for like four years and I wrote a
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: verse every single day, Like every day. I had a
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: group chat with UT familiar with Marco plus love Ruben Vincent,
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: loved Chris Patrick.
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: You know, don't for nobody, but out.
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: Of them, uh jump against for sorry reason, ray Von
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: Citie Hendricks.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: That's all one group Chat's all one group cha what'd
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: y'all be in?
• 23:20
  Speaker 7: I know them paradrasts, crazy audio notes, Ben Riley Rally.
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: Was Incash wasn't and RP to the group chat. Now
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: it's it's always some some other ship happened. But that
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: same Yeah, who's in there for like two years?
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: Somebody the group chat.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: I think they still got that. I don't know if
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: you want.
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: I wasn't the cause of the plos. Now that's the
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: new one. Yeah, that got I'm looking forward to the
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: project too. I mean, yeah, I just talked to her
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: last week. What it I don't know, crazy ye way
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: working yeah, yeah, writing a song, writing a verse every
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: single day. It was just in there on some iron
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: shopping iron type shit. Everybody working, trying to get better.
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: But yeah, I had to do that to get to
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: a place to drop something like this.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: I mean like and it. I think it kind of
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: allowed me to feel free in a sense.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: All Right.
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: So I used to go to the studio probably like
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: once every two weeks, type a you're gonna do something that, uh,
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: it's not that often. So every time I got go in,
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: it gotta be perfect. I gotta make a hit, I
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: gotta make the best song I've ever made, type of ays.
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: But this allowed me to just like whatever funk I
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: wanted to. It's like, this song ain't gotta be perfect
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: because I'm coming back tomorrow and I mean I'm gonna
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: do this again seven times.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: This week type of app So this could be trash.
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: Y'all ain't gonna never hear it's never gonna see the
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: light of to day.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's how we ended up.
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: So the four years that you sat down, you never
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: said like because you was dropping music every year for sure,
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: like since twenty fifteen eighteen, you know what I mean? Like,
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: did you ever say, like, I have a get discouraged
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: where you're like, damn if I take too much time off,
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: is it gonna dan?
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be on the summer on somewhere else.
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: Look, if Burger can't stop making burgers, you're gonna find
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: a burger, yes, right, from somewhere You're gonna eat.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: That's the same thing with music. Like if if Cold
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: stop today, somebody gonna come up and takes place. Somebody's
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: gonna fill that gap of whatever you got from Cold,
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: whatever you get from Kendrick, whatever you get from whatever artist,
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: somebody's gonna feel that gap. You're gonna find it from somewhere.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: So it's that sense, it's like, man, it's out there.
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: I feel like we all just sharing ideas from the
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: ether or whatever case. If it don't come out through me,
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: god gonna give it to somebody else and then you're
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: gonna get it.
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: Did you see the movie Michael, Yeah, the pressure when
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: you say that, it was like, I just gotta I
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: gotta get all this creativeness scored.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: God is gonna give it the price, you know what
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a song called Smile You're on camera?
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what's that up? Man? These damn phones, man, damn phone.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: Mama was right.
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: I feel like we're in a place where you see
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: everything from everybody.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like there's too much access now.
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: I mean from the perception point and from the US
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: looking at other people joint like we've never had this
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: much access to anything, and like we're not supposed to. Yeah,
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: that s it ain't good for our brains. So that's
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: basically like my take on the state of social media
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: ship anxiety, what it's doing to our brains.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:36
  Speaker 7: Man, that's where you're asking if you matter outside your work.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if I tell you, if you don't see it,
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: did it happen?
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: I wrote?
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: I wrote them for them verses for four years. But
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: if I don't come on here and say that, if
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: you don't see this project doesn't matter.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: M hmm.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: That's an interesting way to look at it. Right, Do
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: I matter outside of my work? Because the reality.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Is not the most of them because on social media,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: because they don't know you. Why would you.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Matter outside of your work. I was introduced to you
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: wrapping in a car. That's what I want them bars.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: I don't need nothing else from it.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: But if I'm in a field where literally, like my
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: my financial situation is determined by what people see and
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: how I feel about me, that creates this weird construct
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: because like it does matter in that sense for me
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: to be able to take care of my son and
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: take care of myself, y'all have to perceive me in
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: a certain way because I got to say, it's my album.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: That's the same shit. Man, Like, do you.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Think social media has turned all of us into performers
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: instead of people?
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: I mean I do think that we still are people
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: underneath it all, but it's very hard to like turn
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: it off. We'll be on this shit out day and
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: we see people performing all day. And granted, I think
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: we're in a place now where people are starting to
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: see like the effects of it and are starting to
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: try to like intentionally go back and just beat themselves.
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: But even that feels like performance in a sense. Damn
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: trying to do that now, Like so, I don't know
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: where it starts. Somewhere it is I personally can't stand.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: I can look at people and tell when they perform it, and.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: That ship drives me fucking crazy, especially people you know.
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: Like when you know them, like you like that crazy.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: You're telling me about the holes yesterday.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: Get somebody caught up? Man?
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: Yes man, I was growing up in Riverdale, right, you
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: were studying young the outcasts. That's too totally different, uh
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: really to me? You know what, what did you take
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: from both of them? Like both of them, you know,
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: outcasts and young the in terms of how you approach
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: your sound.
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: There's a fearlesseni stuf I think for both six you mean,
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: theod came out like.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: They name in the book everything.
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: It was like bra just took that ship to the chain,
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: he put on the dress, he came out, had the
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: fingerpaint on his nails. And at the time I didn't
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: understand it for sure. I was amongst the people who
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: was kind of like scratching my head confused. But there's
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: something there's something to respect about somebody who just don't care.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you also heard the stories.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: I'm from it probably heard more stories than that.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: He's definitely more than me.
• 29:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah the book, I said, you're from down there, you
• 29:30
  Speaker 7: know what.
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: But I love what you like. The fearlessness though and
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: being different, thinking outside the box. You know, they definitely stand.
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: Out said cast the same way. Especially you know what
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: I'm saying. I hate when folks like separate the two.
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: But since we're talking about the like it clickted e
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: colictic type of style. Dre is what I look at
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: on that side of the coin. But at the same time,
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: there's something to say about Big Boy because he tethered
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: them to the world at the same time, like Dre,
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: Dre was like ichorous to me. He flew super close
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: to the sun, but he had somebody to keep him grounded.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: At the same time, Drey couldn't do outcast by himself.
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: Folks when they accepted it, folks whould have treated him
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: how they treated thug and they would have been completely different.
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: In the nineties, they would have shown them. The would
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: have out and whatever the case, big boys still kevi it.
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: He kept the flave that was accepted. Then the pimp
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: flood playing flag the real I mean grittiness. He bout
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: the gridness in the edge the cast, while dra gave
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: the alien five. I mean they both worked in the
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: duality type of sense.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: Those are great observations. Dre also he he evolved into
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: that he didn't just come out and give us that.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Once we got the at Aliens,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: we started to see.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: Things started to change a little on the shoulder pads.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: So I get what you're saying this. You're also very
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: spot on, because I don't know if people know. Hundred
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: V thousand wanted the executive produce Dogs Autumn.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yep, I said to two piece of Park.
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: Because I feel like we got I mean, Doug has
• 31:05
  Speaker 7: always been very like who he is, but I feel
• 31:07
  Speaker 7: like there's definitely an evolution of him too, as he
• 31:10
  Speaker 7: went from like an artist to like a pop star,
• 31:13
  Speaker 7: like a rock and like a like rock and roll,
• 31:16
  Speaker 7: but like still a rapper. Yeah, but it was like you,
• 31:20
  Speaker 7: there was an energy and a lifestyle that went with
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: all of the things that he was he was doing.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, love the man, love our cast.
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: Atlanta's really the greatest place musically, and I know in
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: New York, you know, disrespector you mean.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: The Mecca, but I'm from South Carolina.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Atlanta's different.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: I mean Atlanta's run has been longer too.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: In fact, Atlanta has had the longest run of any
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: hip hop city ever ever.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: A thousand, two thousand, two, two thousand and three.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: I'll go before that. I start with yeah, I start
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: with casting good mo.
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: And then also it's a lot of artists that was
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: migrating to and been migrating to Atlanta just for music.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Like we had too Short up here, and he was
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: telling us.
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: About when back in the day, how he came from
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: West Coast to Atlanta and like was mixing with you know,
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: Goodie Mob and just all you know, doing all of that.
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: Like you had artists from New York migrating, you know,
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: they don't really stay, you know, but they come down
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: and people like people love Atlanta musically.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Is it is definitely home.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: It's just a beautiful place.
• 32:32
  Speaker 7: So many different genres, many different Do you feel like
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: people are the people that are on the on the
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: Atlanta underground scene right now? Do you feel like there's
• 32:41
  Speaker 7: like a pathway for y'all to kind of do what
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: like the hundred ty thousands of the world, like come
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: make it to the mainstream where people really respect, or
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: do you think that it's only going to stay underground
• 32:50
  Speaker 7: because they love the Internet? I mean, but there's some
• 32:53
  Speaker 7: of the artists there that I feel like they don't
• 32:54
  Speaker 7: care about that, Like they have their like click and
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: they love that, and I love that for them. But
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: I do think But you said, you know.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: How many generations of people you skip that went from
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: underground to superstar?
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: I just used them because we were just talking about them.
• 33:07
  Speaker 9: Yeah, Gucci the But but do you feel like this
• 33:12
  Speaker 9: what I'm asking I guess is do you feel like
• 33:14
  Speaker 9: the systems that like were I mean, I guess it
• 33:16
  Speaker 9: wasn't passed time from generation generation because each artist you
• 33:18
  Speaker 9: just nam had a different journey.
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: But sometimes it just feels like there's such a disconnect
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: because a lot of those artists they don't want to
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: deal with the labels, and if they do, they wanted
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: to be on their terms, which then changes how you
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: work in the artists, like even radio runs and like
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: it's it's just different now.
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: I think it goes back to what we were talking
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: about earlier about everything being more so tightlered to what
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: a specific person wants like niggas have lost trusting labels,
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: I don't really feel like we need them as much anymore.
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: Systems kind of field archaic, if you will. So I
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: think that there is more than enough space for these
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: artists to like make decent livings and to live. But
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: I don't think. I don't think the path to the
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: maindstream is as a it's just laid out in front
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: of you as it used to be.
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: Back then, it used to be.
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Signed to a label, the
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: label press the button, you drop a single, They pushed
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: the single go. It's not that anymore like it. It doesn't
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: even feel like labels can press that button anymore. It's
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: a whole I saw a song the other day. I
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: can't even remember who was by, but it was like
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: number one on urban radio, all these genres I've never.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Even never heard.
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: It's a whole nother world out there type shit. But yeah,
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: everything's just too fraction. People want what they want and
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: there's these little pockets of fandom now. So yeah, I
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: don't think it's the same.
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: When you had, you know, first sat down you were saying,
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: you know, like you still trying to break the barrier
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: to get the mainstream.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: But you had a lot of big moments.
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: PTSD from the Revenge of the dream Of got you
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: a Grammy nomination, and it puts you at the Dreamville stage,
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: Like what you on the festival stage?
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: What did that moment do you for your career? How
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: did that make you feel?
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: It was crazy?
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: I so I got to a real dark place after
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty because that happened. I think that dropped twenty nineteen.
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: That drops twenty nineteen, and the album follows it, and
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: it's like, oh, everything is kind of like in motion,
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: and then everything stops and it's like, damn, none of
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: it felt like it meant anything anymore. So I got
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: a real or had rather I look at it with
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: a lot more light now, but I had a real
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: bittersweet taste about it for a long time. She's like, damn,
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: this is these are all the things that I wanted
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: for so long, And then it just felt like it
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: turned the dust in my hands.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: Like that was an amazing time.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: I mean, you got to see all these different artists
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: that I've grown up and been fan of when I
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: first got there the first day, who's in the studio
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: probably about as.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: Big as this room. Cold right over there. I just
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: walked in I'm talking about cold and walked past. Ten
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: people came over dapped me up like bruh, I love
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: your shit. It was like, real, what is going on?
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: And addressed in a T shirt and some basketball short
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: like he just got through cutting the line.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Every day every day.
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: But that ship felt amazing. We in one room.
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: It's like t I Ari Lennox, Swiss beats in one room,
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: Rick Ross, while A and JD in the next room.
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: Whatever the case was like bouncing around with all these
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: different crabs. So it was just it was a good
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: ass time.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Power.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you talk about the relationship between money and power influence. Yeah,
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: which has which one has been more dangerous in your life?
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: The pursuit of paper or the power?
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think either free or for real.
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: I've I think I've done a good job of staying
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: pretty like grounded in that sense. I mean, because I'm
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: aware of all of these things, Like I know sometimes
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: I'm doing things out of a uh uh, I want
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: to say abusive power type ship or abuse of money,
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: but just knowing how this isn't like me.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: Let me draw this back. Figure out why the fuck
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: I'm doing this, whatever the case.
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: Like, I think awareness is most of the battle if
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: anything's like you gotta know that something's changing in you,
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: but that you're doing something to be able to fix it,
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: whatever the case. So I don't feel like I've really
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: had super issues with it. I think my biggest issue
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: with money is like attaching the same as my work, attaching.
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: My value to it.
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: It's like, all right, if I don't have money in
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: this season, I'm fucked up. And you know what I'm saying,
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: I'm not myself, whatever the case. The same thing with working.
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: If I'm not working, I'm not myself type. I have
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: to figure how to get rid of that shit.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: That's it.
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: So yeah, old real quick, all right, So what you
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: got better drop than twenty twenty?
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: Cool? Yeah, right, so that was in the middle of
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: the pandemic. But I'm thinking about it, like everybody was home,
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: so niggas only had to watch TV and listen to music.
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: Now you're dropping junks in the sun now right where
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: we in a time where everything is oversaturated and it's like,
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: like you just said, labels probably can't even really press
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: that button.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: It's all about and who knows what the fuck is
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: all about.
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: The Seller album actually really Mike Classics anymore one now,
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: the way it reaches everybody.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: What you think the difference is, do you see any difference.
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: Putting out your project in twenty twenty versus you putting
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: out a project right now?
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: I think the ship the ship was so fared up
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: in twenty twenty because nobody knew what to do. It
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: was such a shock when the world stopped. It was like,
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: all right, everything that I thought it was gonna alright.
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: So when I dropped the album, I was in talks
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: with the label about the tour.
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: We was talking about picking a.
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: Single, all of these things, like it was such a
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: runway that was already laid out. It's like the whole
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: plan just got thrown out. Yeah, So from there it
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: was like, damn, I'm just disoriented at that point where
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: I'm confused, I'm sad, I'm mad, anger out these things,
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: and I think from there I just kind of like
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: spiraled into this dark place for real, and nobody around
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: really knew what to do with you do? Yeah, I
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: mean I was in we were performing on couches at
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: these virtual shows, and shit, I'm ready to flip some
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: shit over man, like yeah, man, it was just yeah,
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: I think now is a better time.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: How did you get out of that?
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: I think my son helped me for really.
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: I mean I was confused when he was born too,
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: because it was still was like this is another kind
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: of like life changing event happening at the same time.
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: But yeah, just being the fallow doubt, I mean, the
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: passions that's required to learning. Just as much as I'm
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: teaching him, he teaching me every day. That was one
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: thing I remember specific he was two years old at
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: the time. He wanted like a popsicle at the fridge.
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: This might have been the first time I can remember
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: us telling him no about some shit.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: We told him no and he tweaked out.
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: I'm talking he losed his minds to the first time
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: f when we've really seen to this level, and it
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: was something it was like damn. At first, I was
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: a little anger and I was about to you know
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: what I'm saying referenmand that type of he get it together, yeah, yoda.
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: But something in my head was like, nah, this is
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: this is as serious as he's making it. This is
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: his first time experience and just not being able to
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: get this, this is his whole world shattering right now,
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: telling him know about this popsicle really is as serious
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: as he's And that allowed me to look back at
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: what I was going through because I kind of minimized
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: it to myself because it's like there's so many other
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: things going on, Folks dying, sick as hell, the world
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: may never open up, whatever the case. I'm thinking about
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: my problems like, yeah, this ain't as serious as I'm making.
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: I gotta suck this down. But I look back on
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: it like, Na, this is to me, it was as
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: serious as I'm making. I gotta allow myself to feel
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: that for the past.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: That's why I think kids really just getting over stuff
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: so quick because they cry, they get the ship out
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: and they be like we're best friends getting but we
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: don't allow ourselves that same Like you mean, we don't cry,
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: We take it to the chain, We get up and
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: it's like another day coming to work.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: I gotta get it in, gotta figure it out. So yeah,
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: it allowed me.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: That when you when you were young, how would your
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: folks have replied to you if you if.
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: That was what.
• 40:52
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna get you something to cry about, say, Hey,
• 40:56
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna get you something to cry about, Like I
• 40:58
  Speaker 7: already got it.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: I'm already crying right now.
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: My grandma used to make me go down the street
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: switch switch right.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: That's what made me think about like the cycle, right,
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: because it's about generational patterns. So what what's one cycle
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: in your family that that ends with you?
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: As as kids growing up at the time when we
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: grew up, we didn't really get as much of a
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: voice in our household.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: Like I had to talk with my grandma, Oh, this is.
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: What this might be two years ago at this point
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: because me and me and my pops relationship, we're good now.
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: I think I'm getting pasted a lot of the problems
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: that I had type of apps. But we had a
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: situation where I was talking to her about his parents
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: saying sorry to their kids type as. She was like, no,
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: she went rocking with it. She told me a story
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: about her folks that she stay with because my mom
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: actually passed, her parents passed, and she ended up staying with.
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: My aunt Johnny, my great great aunt Johnny.
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: She had had a situation where they used to shine
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: their shoes every day after school when they got home.
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: Apparently my I tea she bought the wrong cleaner, the
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: wrong shine or whatever it was, and my granny shined
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: her shoes, but they looked rusty, and so she came
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: and asked you, was like, why he ain't shining shoes
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: And my Grandma's like, yeah I did. She was like, nah,
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: you didn't whooped her. Yeah, they gotta come to find out.
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: She ended up finding the cleaner that she bought and
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: realized it was the wrong one, and my grandma saw
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: her find.
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: It, but she never apologized by it, never said.
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: Sorry about it or nothing. It was just like, yeah,
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: you just gotta hold that. And it's like, I want
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: my son to be able to see the full scope.
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: I want to be able to talk to Dad, mess
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: up to Mamma, gonna mess up to whatever the case like.
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: And we need to be able to apologize to you
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: because you're not just our child. You're a whole person.
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: You're a human being, and I want you to carry
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: that into every relationship that you.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Deal with you.
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: I mean, whether you dealing with authority figures, whether you
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: in your own relationship, whether your relationship with your saf,
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: talk to yourself. I mean, so my child being vocal
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: is the cycle.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: That is you know, it's so crazy that starts.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, apologizing to your kids changes everything because, like I said,
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: what I told you, we're just humans, adults who make mistakes.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: We ain't gonna always get it right as parents are
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: as husbands. Right, when you apologize to your kids, no
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: matter what the age is, you can feel the trust
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: that that between you and your.
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: Babies, and that's that's all we want, especially now, like
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: you got to be able to teach your kids.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: Now that's too much going on.
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they got to be able to talk to you.
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: I ain't even got to that point yet. I'm terrifying.
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: You got a boy, Yeah it's allowed to watch out
• 43:42
  Speaker 6: for and then but you know, growing how you growing up,
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: I mean how you grew up. Now, you just said,
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: you know you want your kid to be vocal, so
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: you promote that you're teach him that we also grew
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: up disciplined.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: I feel like a lot of how we grew up
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: shapes who we are today in parents and relationships and
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: the business and whatever. And I feel like if you
• 44:02
  Speaker 6: give a kid too much where you let him express
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: himself no matter what he feeling, you know, you can
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: kind of still lose him because they'll turn on you
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: and they start talk some shit to you, and you
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: gotta go back to be like, damn, I got a
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: tread in the yard, go pick a switch, you know
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: what I'm saying.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Like, it's like trying to find that balance. You can't
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: let a kid.
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, right, you know you don't
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: want to be your kid's friend. You still want to
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: open lead that door open for trust and you know,
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: teach him things and raise him slightly different than how
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: we were raised. What you still want because I feel
• 44:35
  Speaker 6: like these kids don't have no discipline, they don't know
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: how to respect. Uh, they don't even want to respect
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: adults or you know, just the way of life. They
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: don't really care, you know, they just crashing out and
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: don't care.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: I just yeah, okay, okay, that's.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: What's up the song almost there, Right, A lot of
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: people could relate to that. But do you ever worry
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: that chasing almost keeps people from appreciating where they already are?
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the contentment that we was talking about earlier,
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: Like it's always something else to go and get, I
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: is it?
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah? And in your head you're the show.
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: It's always a bigger bag. It's always a batter woman.
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: It's always like it's always something I mean and now
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: we have there's no shortage of options on anything. You
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: see everything, like you see the person who got million
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: dollars that is just an influencer that stream. Whatever the case,
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: I can go do this, I can whatever the case.
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: Bro It's almost it's always an almost. I mean, that's
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: why I'm trying to figure out how to be happy
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: in the now, how to figure it out, bro because
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: once I got that, brood be good.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: But I'm always chasing something because.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: I wondered about almost right, because sometimes I tell people
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: all the time, man, you got to appreciate what you
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: have in order for God to bless you with more.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: And if God has blessed you, but you haven't even
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: acknowledged what you've got, but you like, I'm almost there,
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: gotledge me almost.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Like me like.
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: Nothing but no, that's really real, like but it's it's
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: not even but because I don't want to refuse anything
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: you said. At times, it just feels like it's hard
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: to not think about tomorrow versus staying in today, like
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: literally right now, I'm in here right now thinking.
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: Like I gotta figure out how to promote this album.
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: So fos to go by and it's like not in
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: New York on some music shit real, like it got
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: flew out like a bad bitch.
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: To be here to talk about music. I've been doing
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: this since I was twelve, twelve for free. I would
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: still do it for free.
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: But now I think I'm saying, as you get older,
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: there's so many other things that are tied to you.
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: I mean, you got four kids, It's all right. I
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: can't even just worry about my happiness.
• 46:57
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: I gotta figure out how to feed and make sure
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: my kids a happy What does that look like? I
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: gotta come to work, Oh man, working enough now? Now
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: I gotta go start another business whatever. Case like, It's
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: so many things that you got to think of once
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: you tie yourself to other people, whether it be a partner,
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: whether it be a kid, whether it be a team,
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: Anybody's like other people are now depending on me beyond
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: my happiness, you know what I mean.
• 47:21
  Speaker 6: So yeah, I always feel like, you know, like just
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: to echo with Sharlot was saying, like, I feel like
• 47:28
  Speaker 6: a person on the outside looking and it's always easier
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: for somebody else to see your success, right, because you
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: toured with all of these amazing people while a black
• 47:36
  Speaker 6: Jed dinner, you know, all them before you even had
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: an album out, Like you were learning how to perform,
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: before you even had a whole catalog a body of.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Music, you know. So I mean, you know, just to
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: hear you say and be like almost almost.
• 47:53
  Speaker 6: Something like you didn't you were there, like you did
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: all of this right and then now hopefully I hope
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: a tour is coming down the pipeline for junkies in
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: the sun you want to already be quick with and
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: you've been.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Doing this shit for a while.
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: It's just gonna be just another layer of success on
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: top of what you already got going on.
• 48:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah, is there a certain age where you get okay
• 48:13
  Speaker 7: with content? Not content in a bad way, but.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Okay but content.
• 48:18
  Speaker 7: No, because the almost there and the almost I understand
• 48:21
  Speaker 7: what he's saying, but I'm thinking about like like I'm
• 48:24
  Speaker 7: watching you and I know where you're building from. But
• 48:26
  Speaker 7: then I'm thinking about like you and I always look
• 48:29
  Speaker 7: at you and I'm like, you just are so like
• 48:31
  Speaker 7: happy with what's happening right now, but all this other stuff happens.
• 48:34
  Speaker 7: Is that because you're older than us, or like, when.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Did that guy?
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Because I don't feel like I'm almost nowhere. I'm here.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: I'm right where God wants me. That's what I want
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: to be.
• 48:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I was literally just sitting here and thinking about
• 48:48
  Speaker 7: the two of y'all. For some reason.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm right where God wants me to be,
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: and I am extremely grateful for where God has me,
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: and I'm good.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: I'm good with that now. Is there are other things
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: like would like to do?
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: Sure, but if it don't happen, thank you God, thank you,
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: Thank you for.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: What you've done thus far. I did it.
• 49:09
  Speaker 7: You've always been like that.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know, but I know I'm
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: here now.
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: But is there a particular catalyst that you think got
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: you there? Or did it just did you.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Give us the sauce?
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 49:24
  Speaker 7: Because that mentally really messages you up, Like especially when
• 49:27
  Speaker 7: you're young and you're achieving, and you just gotta feel
• 49:30
  Speaker 7: like you keep achieving, keep achieve, and keep achieving, like
• 49:33
  Speaker 7: it's like almost your identity to achieve. You don't know
• 49:34
  Speaker 7: what else to do.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: I think professionally, if that's what we're talking about. Professionally,
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: what I wanted was to be a nationally syndicated radio
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: radio host. Like that's what I wanted, Like, that's literally
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: what I wanted when I used to hear Tom Join
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: in the Morning and Doug Banks. I'm like, I wanted
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: to be that, and so everything else has been gravy.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: You know, literally everything else been gravy. The books, whatever,
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: the podcast that where all.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Of that has just been great from my perspective of it.
• 50:04
  Speaker 6: Watching Charlotte, I feel like when he started talking about
• 50:10
  Speaker 6: getting help for like his mental health and everything like that,
• 50:13
  Speaker 6: I felt like, Okay, that's when that allowed people to
• 50:15
  Speaker 6: see more than just Charlemagne. We started knowing who Leonard
• 50:21
  Speaker 6: was or Leonard you know how he said. But I'm like,
• 50:23
  Speaker 6: oh damn, you know he was dealing with things or
• 50:26
  Speaker 6: whatever and just didn't know how to navigate whatever that was, like,
• 50:30
  Speaker 6: you know, whether it was grief or just like things
• 50:32
  Speaker 6: he felt like he had to work through. And then
• 50:35
  Speaker 6: I felt like it made other people like start looking
• 50:39
  Speaker 6: more into like, oh shit, what else and appreciating him
• 50:42
  Speaker 6: for what he does and like what else can he do?
• 50:45
  Speaker 6: Oh shit, So if it's something wrong with me and
• 50:46
  Speaker 6: I don't know what it is, I can actually go
• 50:47
  Speaker 6: and get help for it, and then I don't know
• 50:49
  Speaker 6: that's I just started paying more attention to him when
• 50:51
  Speaker 6: he started stepping into that ment, like taking care of
• 50:54
  Speaker 6: his mental and actually being an advocate for my bait
• 50:58
  Speaker 6: for it, making people comfortable and now to see what
• 51:01
  Speaker 6: was wrong with them, because motherfucker, that's the last thing
• 51:03
  Speaker 6: somebody want to do is put all the problems on
• 51:05
  Speaker 6: front street. You hide and parts of yourself. You know,
• 51:08
  Speaker 6: it's like you need everything to make the thing work.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Everything.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: It seemed like you want to healing journey though. That's
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: why I asked you what you was doing.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: Waking up.
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: Trying to write through it for for real, Like I
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: went to therapy, I was like four weeks by saying
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: I didn't go back. I need to go back, you
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: mean being shoutow. We took a marriage counselor too, We
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: did the.
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: Eight weeks. That was cool.
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I've I've I don't think I've gone long enough personally,
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: like by myself to really like figure out the full
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: spectrum of my being. Like you was talking about, you
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: know what I mean, because that's probably the answer, like
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: detaching from the identity that we like associating as far
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: as like work.
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: And then diving into everything else?
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: Who am outside out of that? Who am I one
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: of my hobbies? What do I all that type of stuff?
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: That's it, You're still living. I just start going to therapy.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: I was like thirty six maybe still yeah cool cool
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: grass greener.
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, talk about that record. Literally we really just did right. Yeah,
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: A sensor died.
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: Like there's there's always this thing that you want, but
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: once you get it, you realize, like I had it
• 52:24
  Speaker 5: out along, I've had all of these things.
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: I've had more than enough to be happy. I mean,
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: I got a family.
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: I got a healthy son, like my boy, healthy and
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: happy running around like we can't get him too shut up.
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: We talk all day, love us, bro, Like, save my
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: family the same way. I mean, I talked to my family.
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: I just found out my mom just found her biological dad.
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: He stayed up.
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: Here, and I got five new aunties Like family just
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: extended type of So it's crazy, bro, Like it's always
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: something to be thankful about versus the things that you
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: think you mean that you still need.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know you've evolved from better. So once upon
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: a time, good things take time. Now, Junkie in the sun,
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: what's what's the biggest way, Deontay, the man has changed
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: over that journey.
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: I think the need for the validash has eased a
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: lot more, and I think I've become more aware of
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: it versus like twenty sixteen. I'm doing it and I
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: don't know that I'm doing it for this reason type.
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: So it's just the awareness, I think, I say, and
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: the ability to change things based on knowing them.
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: You mean so I like that?
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Deontay Hitchcock. Junkie in the Sun is out right now.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: How many copies you at?
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: Man? You don't you even know?
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: Somewhere in the thousand. We just started for real, for real.
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: But I'm finna crank them coffee styles back up? Yeah, yeah,
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: where do people purchase.
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: Find them? More?
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: Junkie and the Sun is out right now. You can
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: go get it anywhere you stream music. First off, it's
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: out for free.
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. Ain't gonna shake you down.
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you can go listen to it, and if you
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: feel so moved to do so, come shot with me.
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: You can find it in the link on my bio.
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: Deonte v H. That's d e a n t e
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: v H. It's d e a n t e v H.
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: That's Instagram, Twitter, Black Planet, MySpace. Whatever you need to
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: find me, type there link in my bio. The site
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: is called Lootle and the project is called Junkie.
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: In the Sun.
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: You can pay ten dollars or you could pay whatever
• 54:25
  Speaker 5: you want. You can pay ten thousand if you want
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: to shot with me. We put my boy in school.
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: We're paying for a wedding. And yeah, love y'all.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: What inspired that? Like? Why one hundred thousand? Like why?
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: I just know.
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: It just came off the top of my head. I
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: ain't get myself time to think about it. It's like
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: they do it.
• 54:41
  Speaker 7: That's how the Russell. The Russell was doing something. Just
• 54:46
  Speaker 7: the number gives people something like a market to be like,
• 54:48
  Speaker 7: we gotta help you get to that.
• 54:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Yo, you just said you just gonna stomp back
• 54:52
  Speaker 6: up the freestyles.
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, start them up. So as soon as I get
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: back on.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: I want to give us something. Now.
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: Oh shure, we got music.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: Okay man, DJ d Reck cut the beer. Yeah, occupied.
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: By I'm about to sell one hundred thousand albums. If
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: you think I'm not, then you on that talkn gotta
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: be powder of that X word to Malcolm, I'm from Atlanta,
• 55:14
  Speaker 5: that's the home of the Falcons. But I'm like Kujo,
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: a dog on these beasts washing me kick the shit,
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: just like Judo, assuming wrestler couldn't steal with the kid
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: on really the best who Donna live DEVI flow tougher
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: than pining letters, penning letters, and it's time I addressed
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: it like paying letters.
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: Since I dropped better, ain't been.
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: Nobody that did better. I ain't fucking around me versus whoever.
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: Meaning I'm punching down. I'm underground but sawing the friendly
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: skuys out to London Town independent hustling. We at about
• 55:36
  Speaker 5: seven hundred now, but masterminding more on the mission to
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: move a hundred thous one hundred k soul and understand
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: that that is a statement. It's not a goal because
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: waiting on labels, the HANDI paper has gotten old. They
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: don't know what I'm worthing, because if they did, they
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: wouldn't trip about the price of a verse. It ain't
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: another rap of Knights on Earth. I dropped the album
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: of a year two times. COVID stifled the first, but
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: then life it's ups and down slight the price of
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: the work in spite of the dirt.
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: I came out clean as you is Christ of this bird.
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: Still I know the drill. The folks need something to
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: see now, they need something to depend on. That's something.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: It's me.
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: I've been through hell and back a few times, but
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: made a hell with a renewed mind. I knew it
• 56:11
  Speaker 5: all would work out for your boy in due time.
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: So you can click the link in my bio from
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: now until twenty seven sink on the Maya word to
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: eat debris io.
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: I'll be in the kitchen whipping chickens and pen wrents.
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: I got album of the year. Don't believe me? Press
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: playing listen, I ain't tripping.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: Man, Go help my brother get the one hundred thousand records. Man, Okay,
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: you got defeated to pay for right.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: That the breakfast club period.
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: Every day waking ago.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: Click your ass up the breakfast club.
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: You don't finish for y'all.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: Dump