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Kathy Hochul Talks Cashless Bail, Gun Control Laws, NY Housing, Gov Election + More · The Breakfast Club

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Speaker 1: Wake that up in the morning. Breakfast Club. Morning. Everybody
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Speaker 1: is DJ Envy Angela Ye, Charlemagne the guy we all
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Speaker 1: the breakfast club. We got a special guest in the building.
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Speaker 1: She is the Governor of New York. We have Governor
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Speaker 1: Kathy Hoko. Welcome, good morning, to see everybody great here.
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Speaker 1: I was like, we have to have you up here
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Speaker 1: because elections are coming up, and you know, we see
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Speaker 1: a lot of I've been seeing ads like crazy lately.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of information and a lot of misinformation
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Speaker 1: out there. So we wanted to make sure we had
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Speaker 1: you because Liezeldon's been up here already. Man. In fact,
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Speaker 1: he sat in that same chair, that same chair you're
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Speaker 1: sitting in. Liezelden saturn throwing down the gold. Now. Governor
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Speaker 1: said was I should have worn my Bills Jack when
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Speaker 1: I was coming here, because she seen me wearing my
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Speaker 1: New York Giants, Pauma Cowboys fans. I'm a Bills fan
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Speaker 1: there this year? Why do you like the Bills so much?
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Speaker 1: So every year I pick a different team. This year
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Speaker 1: I picked the Bills because I felt like they had
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Speaker 1: a good chance of possibly going to the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 1: Just swing voter and I'll take a swing voter. I
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Speaker 1: respect for that. I'll take a fair weather fan any day.
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Speaker 1: With the team, you can't name one one player, Just
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Speaker 1: say Josh Allen. You're fine, Say Josh Allen. You told
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Speaker 1: an interesting story before the mikes came on about Les
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Speaker 1: Eldon at the debates. Yeah, it's interesting. I just you know,
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Speaker 1: you're talking about the size of the chairs and the
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Speaker 1: height and all that stuff. I said, I'm a little shorter.
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Speaker 1: We had a little platform built for us at the debate.
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Speaker 1: Give me a little so I could reach the microphone,
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Speaker 1: and uh, you know, just in some reason, my opponent
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Speaker 1: decided he needs to have the platform built as well.
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Speaker 1: So I just whatever that's all about. Very much that
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Speaker 1: much taller, It's all right, Yeah, it feeds in. It
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Speaker 1: kind of feeds into like the intimidation factor that we
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Speaker 1: saw Trump do against Hillary Clinton in the debate. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's a nice effort, but nobody intimidates me. Hey, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm a street fighter from Buffalo. It's burning on it.
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Speaker 1: What I what I say is that's all right. I
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Speaker 1: love campaigning. By the way, how did you become governor
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Speaker 1: of New York? For most people that do you know
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Speaker 1: what happened in August. Let me take you back, Let
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Speaker 1: me take you back, don't know, but listen, you would
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Speaker 1: be the first elected woman. Okay, yeah, if if after
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Speaker 1: this election, you know, when you win, you would be
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Speaker 1: the first woman elected governor. That that's a huge deal.
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Speaker 1: But you are a governor now because of Cuomo and
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Speaker 1: everything that happened with it. Because I was lieutenant governor
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Speaker 1: for eight years. That's why I know the state. I
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Speaker 1: know all the boroughs, I know all the great restaurants,
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Speaker 1: I know all the neighborhoods. I have been everywhere for
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Speaker 1: three years. But when your lieutenant governor, you're number two,
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Speaker 1: you know, it's not exactly the most high profile position, right.
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Speaker 1: You probably couldn't name my lieutenant governor, now, can you.
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Speaker 1: And it's Antonio Delgado? Okay, all right, So it's Antonio Delgado.
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Speaker 1: And he's fabulous. He's a member of Congress. Became our
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Speaker 1: lieutenant I was lieutenant governor for eight years. Before that,
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Speaker 1: I was a member of Congress from upstate New York.
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Speaker 1: So I became the governor. When a governor REases, lieutenant
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Speaker 1: governor takes over. So I've been on the job fourteen
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Speaker 1: months and so but I could step right in because
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Speaker 1: I knew the job, I knew the state, I knew
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Speaker 1: the issues, and I've been working on them for many,
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Speaker 1: many years. So the transition, a lot of people say,
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Speaker 1: my god, what a tough time. You know, hurricane and
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Speaker 1: pandemic and shooting in Buffalo and all these things you've
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Speaker 1: had overcome. I can handle it because I've had to
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Speaker 1: overcome so much throughout my life. Did you have the
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Speaker 1: intention of running for governor even before that happened. No,
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Speaker 1: I didn't see this coming. No, I really didn't. You know,
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Speaker 1: I've been blessed to have so many opportunities to serve
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Speaker 1: at different levels. I represented a very conservative district in Congress.
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Speaker 1: I didn't last long because I wouldn't go against President
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Speaker 1: Obama's healthcare plan. I lost my election on that issue.
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Speaker 1: I would do it all over again. You know, sometimes
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Speaker 1: you have to stand up for people and if they
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Speaker 1: don't appreciate it at the time. So I never saw
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Speaker 1: this coming, but I've always been ready. That's my key
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Speaker 1: to success. You just got to be ready for that
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Speaker 1: if it happens. So the people of confidence that the
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Speaker 1: state's in good hands, and that's what we've done for
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Speaker 1: the last year. It's just manage crisis after crisis after crisis,
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Speaker 1: but you dial back the drama, you start working with people.
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Speaker 1: First time a governor in New York has worked with
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Speaker 1: the mayor of New York in a long time. And
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Speaker 1: look at the results. We're collaborating, we're working as a team,
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Speaker 1: and people just want to know that there's people in
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Speaker 1: charge who have their back. We're out there fighting for them,
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Speaker 1: and that's simple. I'm a New Yorker and one of
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Speaker 1: the main things right now with this election that everybody's
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Speaker 1: talking about is cash lest Bill. Now, Liezelden is saying
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Speaker 1: he would get rid of cash lest Bill if he's elected.
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Speaker 1: I want to know what your thoughts are on that
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Speaker 1: because we've you know, we've been talking about this a lot,
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Speaker 1: and there's a lot of misinformation about Bill and cast
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Speaker 1: lest Bill and people going back in the streets and
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Speaker 1: crime in New York. So I want to get your
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Speaker 1: position because I think crime in New York is such
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Speaker 1: a huge issue right now. It's a huge issue, is right.
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Speaker 1: This is my number one issue. I've been working on this,
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Speaker 1: not because it's a campaign time, but since I became
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Speaker 1: governor a year ago, and I can walk you through
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Speaker 1: what we've done on getting eight thousand illegal guns off
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Speaker 1: the streets. I mean, there's no legal guns being made here.
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Speaker 1: They're all legal coming in from another state. So I
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Speaker 1: took our state police and said, you can be out
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Speaker 1: there giving out speeding tickets, or I can get you
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Speaker 1: on the borders stopping the flow of illegal guns. And
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Speaker 1: so we focused on a lot of ways. We've made
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Speaker 1: a difference on the murders and shootings, but to bail
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Speaker 1: issue is important and I'm really grateful to have the
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Speaker 1: chance to explain it. A number of years ago, the
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Speaker 1: decision was made by my predecessor in the legislature that
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Speaker 1: there's a situation where two people accused of the same offense,
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Speaker 1: they both steal a backpack, go before a judge. One's
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Speaker 1: family has money, he gets bailed out, he goes back
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Speaker 1: to his job, he goes back to school, he's fine,
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Speaker 1: shows up in court later, and everything's good. A person
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Speaker 1: whose family does not have the money, or they don't
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Speaker 1: have the money themselves to post bail, they end up
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Speaker 1: in rikers for a low level offense. Doesn't harm anybody, right,
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Speaker 1: So that was the injustice that was the premise behind
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Speaker 1: the original bill changes back in twenty eight twenty nineteen.
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Speaker 1: What happened, though, is not just the low level case
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Speaker 1: of other cases. Other crimes were being swept under the changes,
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Speaker 1: cases with guns loaded or unloaded, cases where there's repeat offenders,
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Speaker 1: people keep going in at the same store day after
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Speaker 1: day after day after day and clearing the shelves and
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Speaker 1: harm to other people, violations of orders or protection. So
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Speaker 1: I became the governor watching the crime rate, watching what's
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Speaker 1: going on, not blaming those changes, but saying there's some
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Speaker 1: loopholes that we need to close, we need to bring
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Speaker 1: some of this back under. And I fought hard for that,
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Speaker 1: and I took a lot of grief for that, because
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Speaker 1: I knew in my heart it was the right thing
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Speaker 1: to do, but I had to win people over. I
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Speaker 1: did it in our budget, got those changes done. They've
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Speaker 1: only been in effect a few months, so they haven't
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Speaker 1: had a chance to work. But I need the whole
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Speaker 1: system to work. What people don't realize is that for
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Speaker 1: two straight years there were no criminal trials, no jury
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Speaker 1: trials because of COVID. They wouldn't meet because they didn't
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Speaker 1: want to have jurors sitting that close to each other.
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Speaker 1: So we have a huge backlog of cases in the
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Speaker 1: court system. I also need the judges to do the
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Speaker 1: right thing, the district attorneys to do the right thing,
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Speaker 1: and the whole system to work together and telling people
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Speaker 1: were still the safest big city in America doesn't feel
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Speaker 1: like it. I understand that to my core, I understand
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Speaker 1: the anxiety and going into the subway with Mayor Adams
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Speaker 1: a couple of weekends ago. It was not my first time.
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Speaker 1: He was newly sworn in January sixth last year. Earlier
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Speaker 1: this year, we went to the subways and talked about
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Speaker 1: the fear and the subways, protecting people, getting more police,
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Speaker 1: getting cameras, so someone's gonna do something wrong, we're gonna
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Speaker 1: catch you on camera and you'll be brought to justice.
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Speaker 1: You can't hurt somebody else on a subway. And also
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Speaker 1: the people who are severely mentally ill. Severally mentally people
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Speaker 1: should not be on the subway because they can have
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Speaker 1: an episode and I pushed somebody on a track and
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Speaker 1: there's a tragedy. So we call it working on tops,
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Speaker 1: cameras and care. We've been doing this from the beginning.
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Speaker 1: This is not a new issue to me, so it
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Speaker 1: is very disingenuous for someone to command the show and
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Speaker 1: say changing the bail laws is going to make the difference.
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Speaker 1: We made changes, Let's see how they work. I'm always
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Speaker 1: willing to make changes if necessary. I'm flexible. But we
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Speaker 1: have a nationwide crime spike. You can't blame the New
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Speaker 1: York State bail laws on that. I was gonna ask,
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Speaker 1: you know, with police officers leaving large at large numbers right,
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Speaker 1: they're retiring, they're quitting, they don't want to do it.
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Speaker 1: They're saying a lot of it is due to the
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Speaker 1: bail reforms. They're arresting people and with ours they come
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Speaker 1: right back out and then they do the same crime
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Speaker 1: over and it's not, like you said, small level crimes.
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Speaker 1: And that's making a lot of cops and people scared
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Speaker 1: where they don't want to go to work anymore because
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Speaker 1: they're like they feel like their work is for nothing.
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Speaker 1: And that's exactly the change we made when I talked
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Speaker 1: about repeat offenders. I can understand the frustration the police
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Speaker 1: officers and the business person who's just been robbed wants
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Speaker 1: some justice and nothing happens because they get people get
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Speaker 1: cycled through over and over again. That's how it was
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Speaker 1: but as part of the budget that I got through,
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Speaker 1: and again the budgets, when the governor has the most power,
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Speaker 1: you know, that's when I can put things in there
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Speaker 1: that others may not be real excited about. But that's
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Speaker 1: when I can use the leverage of the budget. That's
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Speaker 1: what I use. That's why our budget was nine days late.
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Speaker 1: I said, I'm not leaving here until we deal with
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Speaker 1: this repeat offender issue and some of these other issues.
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Speaker 1: So now the law says that if it's a repeat offender,
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Speaker 1: you have the ability judge to consider bail. Now, again,
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Speaker 1: that's still the discretion of the judge. A judge can
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Speaker 1: still come up with a different decision. I can't control that.
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Speaker 1: I don't elect the judge here. But that's where the
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Speaker 1: system is starting to pull back together. Everybody does their parts.
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Speaker 1: Isn't that still the same problem. If somebody can afford
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Speaker 1: to get out on bail, right, and the judge gives
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Speaker 1: you a bail, then the people who have money will
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Speaker 1: still be able to get out, and the people who
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Speaker 1: don't have money won't. Judge also has the discretion to
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Speaker 1: remand as well, in cases he can look at is
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Speaker 1: it bail eligible, which does he want to set it
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Speaker 1: so high he knows the person's not going to make
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Speaker 1: us so they will be helped, or does he just
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Speaker 1: want to simply remand them and hold them. And that's
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Speaker 1: where the whole system has to work together. It's many parts.
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Speaker 1: It's so simplistic. Did it say you have fire one
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Speaker 1: district attorney and change bail and then everything's all wonderful again.
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Speaker 1: I hope both voters aren't buying that. I hope they
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Speaker 1: are not buying that. That is so disingenuous, so unfair.
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Speaker 1: It's a lie. It's a lie that's not going to
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Speaker 1: change things. And for someone Lee Zelden, who says he's
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Speaker 1: tough on crime but is soft on guns, ask him
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Speaker 1: whether or not he voted in Washington for the most
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Speaker 1: significant anti gun legislation that made sure that there was
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Speaker 1: background checks and other reforms, the most significant legislation in
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Speaker 1: Washington in thirty years. He wouldn't even vote for it.
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Speaker 1: He didn't vote to fund police in Washing, He didn't
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Speaker 1: bother to show up to vote. I tripled the amount
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Speaker 1: of money going for law enforcement as well as our
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Speaker 1: violence disruptor groups, the people who've been in the system
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Speaker 1: who come out and work with the clergy and the
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Speaker 1: community leaders to try and get young people to be
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Speaker 1: on a different path so they don't feel the only
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Speaker 1: family they're going to have is in a gang. I
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Speaker 1: have invested money, resources, change laws, and worked on getting
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Speaker 1: illegal guns off the streets, and Lee Zelden doesn't even
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Speaker 1: bother to show up to support our police. People need
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Speaker 1: to know that, and this is really frightening. He opposes
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Speaker 1: our efforts to keep concealed weapons off the subways and
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Speaker 1: out of churches and synagogues and schools. And in fact,
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Speaker 1: he even said this weekend teachers, he said teachers should
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Speaker 1: have guns. Think about this. Let's say a school has
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Speaker 1: a metal detector. Okay, someone says, well, I've been radicalized online,
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Speaker 1: like the white supremacists who massacred my neighbors up in Buffalo.
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Speaker 1: You get more people like that. They want to become famous.
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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go shoot up a classroom. I don't
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Speaker 1: have to worry about getting past the metal detector because
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Speaker 1: I know there's a loaded gun in a classroom. I
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Speaker 1: can just go take that gun from the teachers, like
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Speaker 1: you've just told me that every teacher is going to
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Speaker 1: have a gun. That's a hell of a hypotheticod all
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Speaker 1: right to say that the student can fight a teacher
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Speaker 1: and take the gun. You don't think of an adult
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Speaker 1: could come in, or another eighteen year old, a twenty
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Speaker 1: year olds. Most of the shooters or eighteen they're mostly
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Speaker 1: they're mostly eighteen year olds. Yeah, I'm a person who
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Speaker 1: believes you those schools should have the same type of
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Speaker 1: security as the airport. Like so, I believe that this
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Speaker 1: should be metal detectives. I believe that this should be
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Speaker 1: you know, armed guards, just like there is at the airport.
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Speaker 1: So if it's if it's not that, what do you
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Speaker 1: think they should do to protect schools? What you said
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Speaker 1: is smart? Okay, we're not the teachers. That's the difference,
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Speaker 1: he said. Teachers. I have no tackling an arm guard
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Speaker 1: the same way though, because you say, well, an arm
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Speaker 1: guard is trained, Okay, they're not gonna have someone just
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Speaker 1: walk up me. The teachers and our teachers have enough
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Speaker 1: to deal with. They're dealing with kids who've been left
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Speaker 1: behind for two straight years because they had basically no education.
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Speaker 1: But if it's a teacher who is an avid gun owner,
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Speaker 1: who's trained, who knows how to use, they're gonna feel
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Speaker 1: safer with their gun in the classroom because of everything
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Speaker 1: that's happening now today. But I would ask is the parents,
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Speaker 1: how do you feel your child being in a classroom
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Speaker 1: when there's a loaded gun. I think that's a fair question.
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Speaker 1: Ask the parents how they would feel about that. Parents
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Speaker 1: who got the gun, you could say, you get ask
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Speaker 1: you know the parents how those children feel with children
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Speaker 1: were killed when the police didn't run in and they
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Speaker 1: had no conjection. And see when it comes to New York.
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Speaker 1: My problem with New York is and I was born
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Speaker 1: to raise in New York. My father's retired police officer.
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Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of times it forces you
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Speaker 1: to get in a situation you can't handle. Right. If
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Speaker 1: I go to any other state, I think it's like
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Speaker 1: forty states I'm licensed to carry. I can't carry in
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Speaker 1: New York, of course, But how do I protect myself?
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Speaker 1: With crime rising and they're letting people out as they
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Speaker 1: get locked up, It's like I'm a target. It's like
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Speaker 1: he's a target. It's like you know you have security,
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Speaker 1: so you're not as a target. She's a target, you know,
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Speaker 1: to the point where I don't feel comfortable taking my
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Speaker 1: kids trick or treatment, you know, I don't feel comfortable
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Speaker 1: because I can't protect myself, and then the police are
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Speaker 1: not coming. They're they're retiring and quitting at high rates.
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Speaker 1: And it's like, but if I do carry a weapon
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Speaker 1: and I'm doing it and I'm carrying it to protect myself,
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Speaker 1: I gotta go to jail for three years. So it's
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Speaker 1: kind of like a weird situation, especially in New York
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Speaker 1: when it comes to carrying legal firearms. And let me
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Speaker 1: let me talk to you about train and I understand that.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about New York State has some of the
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Speaker 1: toughest gun laws in America, de toughest. A lot of
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Speaker 1: states do not have any restrictions. So what is the
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Speaker 1: what is the death by firearm rate in states like
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Speaker 1: New York? About five people per hundred thousand killed by firearms.
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Speaker 1: In the states that don't have the same protections we do,
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Speaker 1: pick anyone of them, it's about twenty twenty five thirty
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Speaker 1: per hundred thousand the number of people getting killed by
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Speaker 1: firearms because the accessibility. Someone gets into a fight in
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Speaker 1: a bowling alley, or gets unhappy with someone at a
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Speaker 1: subway station. Someone gets shoved and they're not just shoving
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Speaker 1: back anymore they have a weapon. I think we really
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Speaker 1: need to think whether or not within a city with
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Speaker 1: eight million people, we want people arms sitting all around us.
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Speaker 1: Because the data shows that those states that have looser laws,
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Speaker 1: people are dying at a higher rate than they are
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Speaker 1: here in the state of New York. If that's the
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Speaker 1: real concern that we have. So I look at numbers,
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Speaker 1: I look at debt, I understand, but I also understand
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Speaker 1: the very really real emotions that are out there. There's
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Speaker 1: there is fear out there, but we in telling people
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Speaker 1: that the numbers are lower. It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter,
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Speaker 1: it's how you feel. And the reality is murders and
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Speaker 1: shootings are down, but other crimes are up, without a doubt,
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Speaker 1: and we're trying to tackle that. You know, the big
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Speaker 1: crime right now is car theft, and people are stealing
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Speaker 1: with the catalytic catalytic converters because and we just had
15:44
Speaker 1: to pass along and now we have. If someone's trying
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Speaker 1: to steal a catalytic converter, the metals in it are
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Speaker 1: very expensive, they take it to a shop shop everybody
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Speaker 1: gets rich. Then there's a victim. We have victims out there.
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Speaker 1: We made it so the shop that they go to
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Speaker 1: now has to report it to us. They have to
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Speaker 1: keep a record of who brought that. So we just
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Speaker 1: did that last week. I think that's going to start
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Speaker 1: driving down that. So when you look at our numbers,
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Speaker 1: one of the big drivers' is auto theft and the
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Speaker 1: theft of Catholic converts. So everywhere there's a problem, we're
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Speaker 1: tackling it and going at ghost guns. One year ago,
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Speaker 1: people could order online and assemble in their living room,
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Speaker 1: put together an assault weapon and go shoot up a
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Speaker 1: grocery store in Buffalo. We banned the ghost guns. So
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Speaker 1: we're always trying to be ahead of this. My husband
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Speaker 1: was Barack Obama's United States Attorney up in western New York.
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Speaker 1: You know, his focus was gangs and street crimes, and
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Speaker 1: he and drove down the rate where he was able
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Speaker 1: to work with the community groups, the clergy, the violence disruptors,
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Speaker 1: they were all his allies, but also worked really hard
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Speaker 1: with law enforce and brought them together to drive crime down.
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Speaker 1: I still see we have great potential to do that.
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Speaker 1: That's why as governor, I'm been that convener. I brought
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Speaker 1: together nine states leaders of nine states law enforcement to
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Speaker 1: say I need your help to stop those guns from
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Speaker 1: coming here. I don't want them in East New York.
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Speaker 1: I don't want them in the Bronx. I want our
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Speaker 1: people safe. And is that flow of guns. We have
17:08
Speaker 1: four hundred million guns in this country that kids are
17:11
Speaker 1: killing each other and it has to stop. And part
17:14
Speaker 1: of the other way to stop it is to give
17:16
Speaker 1: those young people an alternative. And I'm laser focused on
17:21
Speaker 1: training programs and helping them get the jobs. And I
17:24
Speaker 1: speak in churches all the time, but it's mostly the
17:27
Speaker 1: older women in the churches, and I say, get your
17:29
Speaker 1: grandson in here, get him in this program. There's people
17:31
Speaker 1: are gonna take care of me. He's gonna be okay.
17:34
Speaker 1: He said, to stop the time in his life when
17:35
Speaker 1: he's most vulnerable to the allure of being part of
17:39
Speaker 1: a gang and feeling, you know, he's got power when
17:42
Speaker 1: he's got that gun. I want to go back to
17:45
Speaker 1: the law reform for a second, because I saw Tammy Hudson,
17:48
Speaker 1: the mother of a Kiera Benefield, and he says, your
17:51
Speaker 1: support for nys No cash Bell law directly led to
17:54
Speaker 1: her daughter's deaf and she said, you should also be
17:57
Speaker 1: charged with the crime because she feels like you know
17:59
Speaker 1: you have responsibility. What do you say to that? All
18:02
Speaker 1: I can say is that is a grieving mother. That
18:05
Speaker 1: is a grieving mother. I understand the anguish she's going through.
18:08
Speaker 1: She doesn't understand how this could have happened to her
18:11
Speaker 1: beloved daughter, leaving her children without grandchildren, without a mom
18:16
Speaker 1: my family. My mother was a real champion for victims
18:19
Speaker 1: of domestic violence. Our family started a home for victims
18:21
Speaker 1: of domestic violence. This system failed, and I will just
18:24
Speaker 1: simply say, you know, I'm not going to argue with
18:27
Speaker 1: the facts with a woman who's in such pain. And
18:30
Speaker 1: a lot of people are saying your lead is shrunk
18:31
Speaker 1: because of the rollbacks on some of the bill law reform.
18:34
Speaker 1: What do you say to that? And I think this
18:36
Speaker 1: is an opportunity for people to listen to what I
18:38
Speaker 1: just explained. You know why the laws are put in
18:41
Speaker 1: place before I got there, what I did to correct
18:45
Speaker 1: the areas where there needed to be reforms done. And
18:47
Speaker 1: they've only been in place a few months. So I'm
18:50
Speaker 1: just exactly saying that we really have to tackle the
18:53
Speaker 1: issue of guns. Lie Zelden has a horrific record on guns.
18:57
Speaker 1: Opposes our red flags, which means that when someone sends
19:02
Speaker 1: a message on social media, I'm going to shoot up
19:05
Speaker 1: a school. We have the writers of society to protect
19:08
Speaker 1: ourselves and go to that person's house and do they
19:10
Speaker 1: have gune. This literally happened in Buffalo a few days
19:12
Speaker 1: ago because of the New York state red flag laws
19:15
Speaker 1: that I toughened, and leave Zelda opposes, the police were
19:18
Speaker 1: able to identify someone who made a threat to their
19:21
Speaker 1: high school, went to their house and found a whole
19:23
Speaker 1: cachet of guns. I want to prevent violence, not just
19:27
Speaker 1: talk about it afterwards. And I think that also, no
19:30
Speaker 1: system is going to be perfect right when it comes
19:33
Speaker 1: to certain things. And I know that the castlest bail,
19:36
Speaker 1: there's a lower of recidivism rate. I saw that. But
19:38
Speaker 1: then also I don't know how we would argue against
19:43
Speaker 1: the fact that somebody could get out on bail because
19:45
Speaker 1: they have money, but someone else can't because they don't, right,
19:48
Speaker 1: And it's somebody that would get bailed otherwise, because there's
19:50
Speaker 1: still people who aren't going to even have the opportunity.
19:53
Speaker 1: There's no bail at all, and so those people who
19:55
Speaker 1: are violent offenders still will have to be in jail.
19:58
Speaker 1: But I think that if somebody is able to get
20:01
Speaker 1: out on bail and the judge is going to give
20:02
Speaker 1: you a bill that it should be cashless, because that
20:06
Speaker 1: just the only difference is if you have money or
20:08
Speaker 1: if you don't. And I don't see how we would
20:10
Speaker 1: argue that, because there are people who are sitting in
20:12
Speaker 1: jail for you know, speeding tickets and fines and things
20:15
Speaker 1: like that that should be able to get out. But
20:17
Speaker 1: I do feel like, yes, if it's somebody that the
20:19
Speaker 1: judge bills is a danger to society, they shouldn't get
20:22
Speaker 1: out at all. I'm not speeding tickets, but there are
20:25
Speaker 1: people who were sitting in jail for those reasons. I'm
20:27
Speaker 1: talking about like the gentleman who punched the cop in
20:29
Speaker 1: the face. And he was punched the cop in the face.
20:32
Speaker 1: He got out right away, after getting out a week
20:34
Speaker 1: ago for having a gun charge, like after getting out
20:37
Speaker 1: another week ago for alleged assaults like those. But my
20:41
Speaker 1: thing is what he have gotten a cash bill at all,
20:45
Speaker 1: because that's the only difference would be because because then
20:47
Speaker 1: maybe that's somebody that shouldn't get a bill at all.
20:49
Speaker 1: I don't feel like ide. But the only difference to
20:53
Speaker 1: the judge discretion that the same thing in Illinois, Like
20:55
Speaker 1: the Republicans took the message in Illinois and then came
20:58
Speaker 1: up with that whole pers thing. But it's the same exactly.
21:00
Speaker 1: The judge had the discretion, and judges are elected and
21:04
Speaker 1: there's consequences at the polling place. I was gonna ask
21:08
Speaker 1: about housing now as well. You know, a lot of
21:10
Speaker 1: black and brown minorities have a hard time getting houses,
21:14
Speaker 1: have a hard time getting loans, have a hard time,
21:17
Speaker 1: how much of anything coming up with a deposit, you know, Grant,
21:20
Speaker 1: So what are your thoughts on helping more minorities become
21:23
Speaker 1: homeowners because we all know that homeowners is usually starts generational.
21:27
Speaker 1: Well for us, you know, that is so true. I
21:29
Speaker 1: focus a lot on economic empowerment for black and brown communities,
21:32
Speaker 1: and there has been this neglect. People assume that anybody
21:37
Speaker 1: it's the American dream, everybody can rise up. Well that's
21:39
Speaker 1: not the case when there's been systemic racism and barriers
21:43
Speaker 1: to people being able to advance. And I'll get to
21:45
Speaker 1: the housing question in a moment. But since I took
21:48
Speaker 1: office fourteen months ago, everything we've been been doing is
21:51
Speaker 1: through the lens of equity, you know, trying to make
21:54
Speaker 1: up for the disparities that reared their ugly head, even
21:56
Speaker 1: more so during the pandemic. Why more Brown individuals lost
22:01
Speaker 1: their lives. What kind of healthcare were they getting or
22:04
Speaker 1: not getting at that time? And so I have doctor
22:06
Speaker 1: Mary Bessett, a brilliant woman who's the head of our
22:09
Speaker 1: health department. She is charged with identifying in the healthcare
22:12
Speaker 1: system the disparities why maternal mortality is so high for
22:16
Speaker 1: black women, why they're more likely to die on the
22:19
Speaker 1: delivery table than anyone else. So we are laser focused
22:22
Speaker 1: on that. So we look at all the areas where
22:24
Speaker 1: there's disparities through this lens. And it also rears itself
22:28
Speaker 1: in housing. And we have toughened our laws also on
22:31
Speaker 1: discriminatory practices that still exist today. And I grew up
22:35
Speaker 1: in Buffalo and my parents were involved in something called
22:38
Speaker 1: housing Opportunities Made Equal. It was a white block. My
22:41
Speaker 1: parents brought in people from Buffalo, people of color and
22:46
Speaker 1: tried to work to get them to be able to
22:47
Speaker 1: live in our neighborhood and break down the races. We
22:50
Speaker 1: had a lot of threats on our family at the
22:52
Speaker 1: time for simply doing something that today we would say,
22:54
Speaker 1: how is that possible in my lifetime, but it was real.
22:57
Speaker 1: It was real, and we fought against that even back then.
23:00
Speaker 1: And now we have to make sure that we have
23:03
Speaker 1: us programs for first time homebuyers, make sure that there's
23:05
Speaker 1: not discriminatory lending practices, the redlining where people would say,
23:09
Speaker 1: well that that neighborhood is high crime, so we won't
23:12
Speaker 1: give you insurance, you can't buy a house there. It's
23:14
Speaker 1: all cyclical. But what I'm going to continue doing is
23:18
Speaker 1: creating more housing stock, more affordable housing overall, making sure
23:22
Speaker 1: we have supportive housing for people. But when I talk
23:25
Speaker 1: about the economic empowerment, I think about projects. We just
23:27
Speaker 1: opened up a new area with Magic Johnson. Magic Johnson's
23:31
Speaker 1: one of the big investors in our investments, and love
23:34
Speaker 1: that guy. Love that guy, and he's so dull. He's
23:38
Speaker 1: so dull. I felt like a dwarf next to him.
23:40
Speaker 1: But it was exciting because his company is coming in
23:43
Speaker 1: and helping create thousands of jobs here. And we gave
23:45
Speaker 1: him that ability by saying, we intentionally said I want
23:49
Speaker 1: thirty percent forty percent as project to be MWB. You
23:52
Speaker 1: figured out you hire the people, the contractors, and so
23:55
Speaker 1: there's a spinoff and those people from Jamaica and the
23:58
Speaker 1: communities around the airport that are so hits hard. They
24:01
Speaker 1: have to deal with all the traffic and they have
24:03
Speaker 1: to deal with all the noise. They should be the
24:05
Speaker 1: ones who rise up the fastest and they can be
24:07
Speaker 1: able to buy a house. I'll have the money to
24:09
Speaker 1: buy house, and we give them the good paying jobs.
24:11
Speaker 1: I literally was on the phone early this morning with
24:13
Speaker 1: a CEO who wants to come to New York bring
24:16
Speaker 1: six hundred jobs. Because we're able to announce last week
24:20
Speaker 1: because of my efforts here at the state and Chuck
24:22
Speaker 1: Schumer at the federal level, the largest private sector investment
24:26
Speaker 1: in our state history. We're bringing back home the semiconductor
24:30
Speaker 1: manufacturing facilities to be fifty thousand jobs. What does that mean?
24:34
Speaker 1: That means here in the city of New York. I
24:36
Speaker 1: want to grab high school kids and young people and
24:39
Speaker 1: get them into a training program. I said, you can
24:41
Speaker 1: make one hundred thousand dollars to start if I can
24:44
Speaker 1: get you the training in these jobs. So that's how
24:46
Speaker 1: you lead to that ability to buy that home and
24:49
Speaker 1: to get out of the crushing weight of having to
24:51
Speaker 1: make those rent payments and the anxiety that happens every
24:53
Speaker 1: single day when people aren't sure if the cost of
24:56
Speaker 1: living is going to get higher and higher and higher.
24:58
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of pain out there. But I'm
25:00
Speaker 1: so focused on this because I'm hardwired to solve problems.
25:04
Speaker 1: But also I have an empathetic heart. You know, I
25:07
Speaker 1: was raised in a family of social justice Catholics. We
25:10
Speaker 1: are out there marching for civil rights. Back when I
25:12
Speaker 1: was a kid, I had a band protesting the Vietnam War.
25:15
Speaker 1: Is a little kid in school. So I come out
25:17
Speaker 1: of a family didn't have much. Parents used to live
25:20
Speaker 1: in a trailer park and dad worked at a steel
25:22
Speaker 1: plan But we rose up because my dad got an education,
25:25
Speaker 1: and I want that same shot for every young person.
25:28
Speaker 1: So we're investing in education that will lead to the
25:31
Speaker 1: new jobs that will lead to the house that every
25:34
Speaker 1: young person and family deserves to have in the state
25:36
Speaker 1: of New York. You know, I read an article in
25:38
Speaker 1: the National Review that says the Democratic leadership is making
25:40
Speaker 1: NYC unlivable for conservatives, and there's this Republican exodus. So
25:45
Speaker 1: how do you plan to keep people in New York? Well,
25:49
Speaker 1: we have to give them the jobs, and you know,
25:50
Speaker 1: people may not want to be here philosophical and we
25:53
Speaker 1: have we do advance people's rights in this state. And
25:56
Speaker 1: if that's something that an individual philosophically doesn't support, you know,
26:00
Speaker 1: I hope they will stay. We welcome them to stay
26:02
Speaker 1: and hopefully understand why it's so important for us to
26:05
Speaker 1: have rights for people. And it's been a long journey
26:07
Speaker 1: to get to the rights we have here in the
26:09
Speaker 1: state of New York, whether it's LGBTQ rights, women's rights
26:12
Speaker 1: that are under assault right now. I mean, people want
26:14
Speaker 1: to live in a state where whether or not a
26:17
Speaker 1: woman can decide what to do with their own body
26:19
Speaker 1: is unquestioned, right. I mean, that's why in New York
26:22
Speaker 1: State is even more welcoming. People are starting to want
26:25
Speaker 1: to come here from other states, and we embrace them
26:28
Speaker 1: because that's who we are. We're so fascinatingly diverse. We
26:32
Speaker 1: welcome people from all over. But also we have jobs
26:34
Speaker 1: now that we didn't have before. So I encourage everyone
26:37
Speaker 1: to stay be honest. Now, magat conservatives can go, let
26:42
Speaker 1: me tell you a story real quick. You got a second,
26:44
Speaker 1: how much time I'll tell you? This is why I'm
26:49
Speaker 1: a different kind of leader. In Congress, I was elected
26:52
Speaker 1: as the first Democrat to represent the most Republican district
26:56
Speaker 1: in the state ten years ago. How did I do that?
27:00
Speaker 1: As a Democrat from Buffalo. I went out to the
27:03
Speaker 1: small towns and the diners and the VFW posts and
27:08
Speaker 1: met with the people. And I was out there fighting
27:10
Speaker 1: for healthcare, protecting Social Security and Medicare. And they saw
27:16
Speaker 1: in me as someone who was not to find so
27:18
Speaker 1: much by labels, but as someone who really had a
27:20
Speaker 1: heart that was a fighter. I am a fighter, but
27:24
Speaker 1: I voted. I voted to protect their interest and I
27:28
Speaker 1: was elected. And one time I was taking a little
27:31
Speaker 1: trip along the canal as an Eary Canal, and you
27:33
Speaker 1: all know it changed the history of New York Theory Canal.
27:36
Speaker 1: I was on his boat with my husband and we
27:38
Speaker 1: pulled up to a dock in one of these really
27:39
Speaker 1: conservative small towns, docked the boat. I didn't understand why
27:43
Speaker 1: there's so many other boats round. Realized that we were
27:45
Speaker 1: in the middle of a Trump flotilla. There's all these
27:48
Speaker 1: Trump flags flying, and we had to jump out. We're
27:52
Speaker 1: going to go try to find a pizzeria in the
27:53
Speaker 1: town to get some food. And we were surrounded by
27:56
Speaker 1: people and I didn't know if they'd recognize me or not.
27:59
Speaker 1: And I stepped out in the crowd and I saw
28:02
Speaker 1: a bunch of the guys looking out of the hood
28:03
Speaker 1: of a car. It sounds like a horror movie now,
28:06
Speaker 1: and it gets better, it gets better, and they're all looking.
28:10
Speaker 1: I said, is it a sixty seven chival? I said,
28:12
Speaker 1: my brother had that opened up that head. Let me
28:14
Speaker 1: see what you got under here. So I start talking
28:15
Speaker 1: these guys. We're talking about you know, how I drove
28:18
Speaker 1: the pace car, nas car, I've you know, I just
28:21
Speaker 1: I do everything I can. So I start all of
28:23
Speaker 1: a sudden, we start talking about football, because this is
28:25
Speaker 1: up in Buffalo Bills Country. So we're talking about the
28:28
Speaker 1: Bills game. We're talking about cars, We're talking about voting,
28:31
Speaker 1: We're talking play seat. And by the time they knew
28:33
Speaker 1: who I was. They knew at the time I was
28:34
Speaker 1: Lieutenant Governor of New York because a Democrat. They were
28:37
Speaker 1: all truly Trump supporters. But by time we're done, they said,
28:42
Speaker 1: come on back and have a beer with us after
28:44
Speaker 1: you get your dinner. Here's a place. I do believe
28:47
Speaker 1: that we can connect with people in a different way
28:49
Speaker 1: when you set the election aside. In November ninth to
28:53
Speaker 1: be an opportunity for me to govern for the next
28:55
Speaker 1: four years in an inclusive way that understands there's parts
28:59
Speaker 1: of our date where they feel neglected overlooked. Whether it's
29:02
Speaker 1: you know, in the boroughs or whether it's upstate. They
29:06
Speaker 1: need to have a leader who will bring people together
29:08
Speaker 1: and not be so divisive. I've already demonstrated I can
29:11
Speaker 1: be that person, and that's exactly why I believe those
29:13
Speaker 1: individuals will still want to stay in a state where
29:16
Speaker 1: their children will have a good education, they have a
29:18
Speaker 1: chance of getting a good job, and will protect the
29:21
Speaker 1: rights of their family. What you're saying is right in
29:24
Speaker 1: theory if we were dealing with a traditional type of conservative.
29:28
Speaker 1: But I feel like when I hit democrats say that,
29:30
Speaker 1: it sounds like y'all want to play nice with the racist.
29:32
Speaker 1: Y'all want to play nice with the fascist. That's what
29:34
Speaker 1: it sounds like. No no, no, no, no, no no no
29:35
Speaker 1: no no. If you if you would have started having
29:37
Speaker 1: a conversation about black people, are LGBTQ, are immigrants with
29:41
Speaker 1: those same individuals would have changed. It's saying my job exactly.
29:45
Speaker 1: My job as the governor is to not drive people
29:47
Speaker 1: away from our state. If that was that seems like
29:49
Speaker 1: that was the promise you. I'm not driving people away
29:53
Speaker 1: from our state. I'm simply saying I want them to
29:55
Speaker 1: understand our values, our values of what sets us apart
29:59
Speaker 1: as New Yorkers. They see here and get to know people,
30:02
Speaker 1: and that's why I think when you get to know
30:04
Speaker 1: people and you start breaking down the barriers, because otherwise
30:07
Speaker 1: our country is heading into a dark place. I will
30:10
Speaker 1: always stand up for progressive values and probably do so,
30:13
Speaker 1: but I also want to reach out with the message
30:15
Speaker 1: to others that say, you're worried about your family, the
30:18
Speaker 1: cost of living, safety. Everybody's concerned about those, and I'm
30:22
Speaker 1: the person who's going to leave this state back. So
30:25
Speaker 1: I am calling out white supremacists. I have no trouble
30:28
Speaker 1: sending my state police to investigate any area of where
30:32
Speaker 1: I think that there's hatred, where there's racism, there's bigotry.
30:35
Speaker 1: And in fact, I charged our Attorney General Tis James
30:38
Speaker 1: after the massacre in Buffalo to start monitoring our social
30:42
Speaker 1: media sites and finding out who else is saying what
30:46
Speaker 1: so we can prevent the next massacre. So no tolerance
30:49
Speaker 1: for that. But for those who simply feel that the
30:53
Speaker 1: Democratic Party doesn't speak to them anymore. I'm going to
30:55
Speaker 1: have the conversations and try to pull them back, but
30:58
Speaker 1: I will not try to win over the hearts and
30:59
Speaker 1: minds of someone who is so full of hatred. You're
31:05
Speaker 1: absolutely right. There's there's a big difference between New York Republicans,
31:09
Speaker 1: the old school New York Republicans and what has morphed
31:11
Speaker 1: into today. And we have to call it out for
31:14
Speaker 1: the hatred and you think that. Yeah. Last question, why
31:17
Speaker 1: do you think that Liezeldon has gotten so much support.
31:20
Speaker 1: I think people are listening to a message and I'm
31:22
Speaker 1: just out here to say it is not true. You
31:24
Speaker 1: cannot say that the crime problem will go away on
31:27
Speaker 1: day one. When you refuse to take steps to get
31:30
Speaker 1: guns off the streets and protect our young people from
31:34
Speaker 1: violence in the streets, it doesn't add up. So I
31:37
Speaker 1: appreciate this opportunity because there is a billionaire funding lee
31:42
Speaker 1: Zeldon adds very close to Donald Trump, almost eighteen million
31:46
Speaker 1: dollars in negative ads against me, and that definitely has
31:49
Speaker 1: an effect. I'm out there working hard every day. I
31:52
Speaker 1: still have a government to run, but I'm going to
31:54
Speaker 1: be the best leader. And I didn't come here to
31:57
Speaker 1: be the first woman elected governor. I came here to
32:00
Speaker 1: make a real difference. I don't need to make history.
32:01
Speaker 1: I want to make a differences. Will judge me by
32:03
Speaker 1: that years to come. I'm gonna ask you about that.
32:06
Speaker 1: Is there an internal pressure to win this election and like,
32:10
Speaker 1: have the people actually vote you in because of how
32:13
Speaker 1: you know you became governor. Now, it's not about me personally,
32:17
Speaker 1: no matter what happens, I'm still the same person. I'm
32:20
Speaker 1: still that same person who came out of Buffalo with
32:22
Speaker 1: you know, in a family that struggled, and I'm still
32:25
Speaker 1: a fighter no matter what happens. It's not about me.
32:27
Speaker 1: It's about the direction of this state. Does the straight
32:31
Speaker 1: state want to continue moving forward with someone who cherishes
32:34
Speaker 1: the rights that we fought for for so long here,
32:36
Speaker 1: will protect them and not go backwards on a women's
32:38
Speaker 1: right to choose or all the rights that we think
32:40
Speaker 1: are so important here. The fundamental right to be safe
32:43
Speaker 1: is number one, and I'm the person to protect that
32:45
Speaker 1: because I actually have a record, not just a lot
32:47
Speaker 1: of rhetoric saying I'm going to do this. I'm gonna
32:49
Speaker 1: do this. You had a chance, Lly zeld In to
32:51
Speaker 1: stand up and vote in Congress to support our law
32:55
Speaker 1: enforcement and to get guns offers. So you had a
32:57
Speaker 1: chance and you blew it. And I have a record
33:01
Speaker 1: where we're making a real difference. And that's the message
33:03
Speaker 1: I'm putting out the voters. And I feel good. And
33:05
Speaker 1: again I'm a big sports fan. It's not over until you,
33:09
Speaker 1: you know, lob it into the end zone and then
33:11
Speaker 1: you can spit the football. So I'm not doing anything prematurely.
33:14
Speaker 1: But I also I also love this state with every heart,
33:17
Speaker 1: every fiber of my body. I love this state. I'm
33:19
Speaker 1: going to keep thing out there working for the people. Already. Well,
33:21
Speaker 1: we appreciate you for joining us, absolutely, Governor. If you
33:24
Speaker 1: free said I'm having a problem with my sixty nine camaro,
33:26
Speaker 1: if you know anything about the holes, you know, let
33:28
Speaker 1: me get out of my tool kid. Alright, it's the
33:31
Speaker 1: governor of New York, Kathy Whole. Cool, and we appreciate
33:33
Speaker 1: you for joining us. Go out there and vote, all right,
33:36
Speaker 1: thanks a ready, early voting is underway, all right, it's
33:38
Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club. Good morning,