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Riding the Waves of Deception · Ryder Lee

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  Imagine world where you can see anyone, go anywhere, do anything. Are
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  the artificial intelligence created to protect us? Detonated a nuclear warhead in Los Angeles.
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  We are seeing ongoing cyber attacks across the country. We have unconfirmed reports
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  of a large seismic event off the California coast, with reports of power outages
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  across the United States. Nineteen states have succeeded. The United States Army ramsom
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  really hope you enjoyed this episode. So with me on this adventure. We
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  have a very special episode for you guys this week with friend of the show
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  Shane the Runer. It's good to see you, brother. How's it going.
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  Another one of those days in Paradise, except for the flood has started
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  apparently the eclipse flood. I don't know when this comes out, but oh
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  wow, the eclipse flu. That's a new one. Everything's always something.
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  It's almost like it's repeating stuff right like we have do you remember the emergency
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  broadcast system that came on like I don't know what when was it last year,
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  before the beginning of the year, where everyone was like, everyone's going
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  to be turned into zombies. Butl blah blah blah blah blah. That's almost
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  like what this eclipse thing is becoming a little bit like that. That's for
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  sure. Sound pretty hilarious, pretty hilarious. And then we have also the
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  the Baltimore ship that crashed into the bridge, which is very reminiscent of the
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  uh, what was that one ship that crashed in twenty twenty one, the
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  Evergreen ship. It's almost identical. It's almost the exact same thing, just
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  about yeah, and the it's looking like the anchor on the one side,
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  dropped at exactly the right point to make the thing fear perfectly into that fucking
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  perxcuse my language, perfectly call up. Yeah. Kind of impressive, to
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  be honest, it's just repeating things over and over and over again. But
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  we have another guest here today and his testimony I believe is very important because
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  it connects a lot of dots, from MK Ultra to behavioral modification schools to
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  the Secret Space program. Jesse Bulk, it's good to see you, my
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  friend. Welcome to the show. Thanks for having me, same ship,
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  different Gray, my friend, very much. Looking forward to the conversation that
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  we're going to have today, because, like I was mentioning, I believe
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  that a lot of dots can be connected in here. Recently, I've you
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  know, just when you think that you figured out everything about the Secret Space
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  program, something else pops up. But that's really why we have Jesse here,
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  because he's gonna, you know, explain how this secret space program communey
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  ropes people in and leads them down a path of a bunch of nonsense.
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  So I guess where I want to start, Jesse, is like, with
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  a little bit of your background, where you were born, where you were
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  raised, and how you even got started into how did you even figure out
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  about any of the secret Space program stuff? Because it's a very niche community.
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  There's very few people in this community, but they feel like their presence
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  is kind of big, so it makes them seem bigger than what they are.
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  Well, I was born and raised in Long Island, Huntington, New
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  York, and I guess you can say it started with not wanting to go
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  to school for me for the behavior modification. I always thought school was boring,
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  pointless, nothing you can really learn of true value. And I eventually
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  stopped going and I was sent to a hospital immediately by my parents, and
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  that led me down to a road of a lot of trauma, which maybe
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  we'll get into later. And eventually, throughout the years, I've experienced some
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  weird information here and there with my own life, my own childhood, where
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  I would see things happen and it would lead me to believe that MK culture
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  is possibly real. That, to be honest with both of you, that's
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  the only thing I've ever studied was MK culture coming into this group, all
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  these groups. I have never really heard of SSP or anything related to that,
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  except mkulture stuff, banking systems, that kind of thing. And immediately
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  when I started looking into this mk ulture on YouTube of all places, I
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  started getting more and more algorithms of it. And the first I think this
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  was in maybe twenty ten, twenty eleven, I'm not too sure about the
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  date. I saw Max Spears video typing in mk culture into YouTube and it
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  was an interview of Max Spears, and immediately I was like, Wow,
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  this is very interesting. I kind of hooked immediately to it after some of
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  my experiences I've dealt with, and from there it kind of just led me
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  to searching more into mkulture, and eventually it led me to something called star
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  Seeds, where I started looking into that and immediately it was this lady's I
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  believe you did a show with her. Eleana has her name, I don't
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  remember her last name, but she has a start Steve. You know,
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  some kind of pink website. I remember the color was pink, and when
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  I had confronted her about it in twenty twenty one, she said she never
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  had the website running the year I had posted my dreams to her, which
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  had came into later on. It turned into a movie pretty much and a
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  couple of years later from that what I believe. So, do you think
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  that she took your information that you would somehow not exactly? I mean,
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  I it was a very long message. It was an immediate message to her
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  on the site. It was probably the most descriptive I've ever had my dreams
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  described, because it was like two days later I was still in the hotel
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  on this website typing it to people. Guys. I just had a natural
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  experience. I saw some draconians, I saw some of this, I saw,
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  you know, and immediately I got some kind of emails back, but
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  it wasn't from her, and it was from a BBC radio channel actually called
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  it Asylum Radio in Stafford FM, and they had wanted to bring me on
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  because they had heard about my shadow person experiences that I wrote online mind you,
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  and a whole bunch of other experiences, and I never got to do
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  it with them because I was very sketched out by the whole what was going
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  on at the time. You know, you kind of want to put that
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  stuff behind you after you experience, is it especially do you think that this
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  what information were you privy to before you had these experiences with the shadow people
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  and the reptilians. The only explanation I can give myself to having any of
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  these things zapped into my head, even in dream form, would be through
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  a video game that I had to remind myself of years later that could have
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  definitely helped with that, where they have reptilian creatures involved in it. It's
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  an Elder Scrolls game, and that's the only thing I could have thought of
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  that would have gave me that thought. Other than everyone knows what reptilians are.
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  It's incredibly wide known that everyone thinks they're real or whatever the case is.
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  Everyone just heard about that situation. So I have heard about that subconsciously,
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  just thought about it probably for years, never really thinking about it consciously
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  until one day I had a dream about it, and now I'm thinking consciously
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  that, okay, maybe there there's something a little more to it, but
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  always thinking mk LTRU may be involved, because me and you have discussed on
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  numerous occasions that this could be nothing more. Yeah, Kathy O'Brien is talking
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  about how they would literally put a a holographic image of a reptilian inside of
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  her head, so therefore she would go out and start talking about reptilians and
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  that reptilians are the ones to believe in that there are these extraterrestrials that's doing
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  that whenever it's actually humans that are doing this. So it's an effective way
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  to cover up human involvement. I like to comment on that as well,
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  because the description of reptilian is like a whole pie of a spectrum of different
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  descriptions that all fit reptilian right pretty much anything that kind of doesn't look quite
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  human, maybe has a shiny skin, maybe has the slit eyes, maybe
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  something like that that gives them the idea and that imagery. I mean,
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  it's right in the Bible right the snake. Our minds are pre programmed,
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  through many years of symbology to view evil or something bad as being Reptilianconian system
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  pretty much what did so you had already been through these this hospital in this
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  in this school before the schoolzations. Yes, everything. The hospitalization started when
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  I was nine. That was the first year I decided not to go to
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  school and I was immediately thrown into the hospital and dealt with accordingly. And
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  then after that I kind of just figured I would do home schooling until it
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  turned into your going to either this program or a worse program, and it
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  turned into Okay, I want to go to the nicer program, which is
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  very lenient in terms of what's better and what's not. Maybe less struck,
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  maybe more less lockdown type of features, less security, But it's still the
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  same system, the same treatment, the same forcing your medication, the same
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  telling you if you don't do this, you're not going to leave, and
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  if you do this, you'll leave sooner. That kind of thing. Did
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  they? So you went to a psychiat was this a psychiatric hospital first?
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  And then you went to one of these schools. I think the first psychiatric
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  hospital was called South Oaks South Oaks Hospital, I believe, I don't.
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  I think that was in I don't remember. Maybe King's Park, King's Park,
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  New York, I'm not too sure. It's a long time ago.
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  And then what was the name of this, uh, this sort of behavioral
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  modification school? Was this also in New York? Yes, this was the
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  Summit School of NIAC New York or NYACK, New Jersey. Rather, it's
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  right on the border. What did it look like when you resisted, when
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  you tried to fight back? What would typically happen if you could just kind
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  of without going obviously to dramatic, but just the general you know how that
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  was back in the hospital, yeah, or any of the schools anything.
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  Sadly, I didn't fight back. I was very you know, I was
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  very obedient as a young kid. Unfortunately, I didn't really have any subconscious
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  help at that point, and I kind of just let them do what they
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  wanted to do. They gave me the They called it too too too.
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  It's the booty juice is a slang for it. It completely knocks you out
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  for days, for weeks. They said, we don't care if you're compliant.
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  We know you're compliant, pulled my pants down themselves nine years old,
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  boxers and all right into the cheek, and I was out for days.
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  I couldn't even talk right for days after that. And then I guess they
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  missed a spot and it wasn't working, so they hit your muscle and purpose
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  and I had a limp for quite a while. And the fighting back didn't
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  happen often, right, Your fighting back didn't happen until I figured out what
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  I was going to deal with again if I go back there. I was
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  completely compliant and a happy little kid until my first visit into the hospital system.
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  And then I was shown exactly why specific kids or troubled kids don't want
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  to make their way into that system. Did you see others that would fight
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  back in the way that they would be treated. I would see kids strapped
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  down all the time. They would be They had more plexiglass than anything there.
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  They would never have glass anywhere in that facility. You would see kids
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  constantly punching plexiglass shattering. These are not breakable. These are real, big,
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  angry, strong kids that I was dealing with at nine years old.
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  I had staff constantly ask me why I was even there. They were confused,
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  but it doesn't matter, I guess. Basically it was separated, so
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  we had girls and boys separate. Occasionally you would see girls being choked out
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  across the courtyard that they had by staff. Girls were a lot more wild
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  than the boys were, and they had a lot more supervision, I guess.
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  And when it came to security, there was a lot more fire.
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  It's a lot more hair pulling and jealousy and that type of thing going on.
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  But yes, I saw plenty of kids get body slam treated, mistreated,
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  shot up, with plenty of narcotics, and a whole slew of stuff
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  I don't want to ever deal with or see them go through it. So
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  they would fource you to take medication. There wasn't a choice. You couldn't
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  be like, no, I'm not taking this medication. They had, actually
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  I don't remember all the medication. It was three or four different pills,
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  mind you, it was a lot. One of them was Selects. I
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  think one of them might have been Abilify, and I think I mentioned geodone
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  somewhere in there in one of my videos. But it was immediately sickening whatever
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  they gave me, and I would go to the bathroom constantly. I'd be
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  vomiting constantly. I'd be they'd be doing arts and crafts, or they'd be
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  going to the gym or working out wherever they had to do, you know,
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  because they had a level system also at these hospitals. So if you
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  do good, you get to go to the gym, you get to work
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  out, you get to see the girls, you get to feel like you
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  have a life. And then after that, I was like, guys,
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  I can't take the pills anymore. They're like, you got to keep taking
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  and we need it. Eventually they kept asking me to show them proof of
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  my vombit and my experiment to like, you know, so they can actually
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  wean me off of this or take me off. And I had to show
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  them bloody stuff in order for them just to stop. I thought that was
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  pretty unethical. Hm. Hm, So you have the boys and the girls
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  separated. Was there any kind of what was an everyday life like there?
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  Were you doing any kind of schooling practices? I mean, because you said
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  that you were nine years old when you first got to this hospital, or
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  are they giving you any kind of schoolwork? Like? What is it that
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  they're not teaching you anything worthy for schooling at all? It's it's more about
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  teaching you how to behave there. It has nothing to do with teaching and
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  teaching you. It was basically little hand out sheets that give you and it
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  must have been four or five levels below what I was learning, you know,
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  like they treated you there like you knew nothing. They just treated you
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  like you didn't you didn't know what two plus two was type. But it
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  wasn't that type of area, you know, that type of facility, So
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  it was very confusing trying to learn anything there. When I decided to skip
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  school and go there and get abused pretty much all I learned was abuse happens
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  in hospitals and learning doesn't. So would you say that this experience by going
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  to these hospitals in the school, I guess to wrap up this school segment
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  of the discussion, did you graduate from the school, did you get a
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  degree from the school or what happened there? Yes, well, I went
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  to the school at fourteen, at fourteen years old. This was after I
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  had told you privately that they said I'm either going to this school or I'm
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  going to another lockdown near Yeat Pink if people know who, Yeah what Yat
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  Pink is. And I chose the Summit school in Nyak and I guess my
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  school district had paid for it, which I had found out it was all
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  paid for. And I was there until I was eighteen, Yeah, eighteen
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  nine, and I graduated from that school whatever their graduation was. But it
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  didn't mean you got a diploma or anything. It just meant you graduated.
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  So now you can go take another class or another test or so for regular
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  high school or district, and then if you can pass that, then you
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  graduate district. I decided to leave early because I was, you know,
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  behaved, and they let me go back to my school, which was degrading
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  because they had me go back to my district in handcuffs, ankle cuffs and
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  being escorted in front of all my childhood friends, having to see me go
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  through that, and then having me go through a meeting to see if I
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  was able to still deal with going to a district school, meaning if I
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  was safe enough, And after all that programming, I'd say I was pretty
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  safe because I know I don't want to go anywhere else again except this districts.
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  And immediately I graduated with very few credits because of the schooling. Like
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  I said, they don't give you anything there. I was probably twenty minutes
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  before graduation and my teachers had called me saying, Jess, you don't have
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  enough graduate credits to graduate. My girlfriend was over my family from Florida.
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  It was kind of scary at first, and then finally at the last second,
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  just before they called me and said we found it not for good to
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  go. And that was all because of this program they put me through.
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  They don't teach you anything except how to behave. And I almost didn't graduate
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  high school because of this, well probably because of myself, but also because
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  of the program. So do you think that this experience, I mean,
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  for anybody that would go through this type of experience, I would say is
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  very traumatizing. And Sheen has pointed out before that a lot of times trauma
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  can cause your brain to essentially make things up in your head, like fantastical
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  things like the reptilian thing, like the you know, going to space for
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  twenty years. I mean she always explains that, well, you know,
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  what would you rather you know, have happening, uses it as an example,
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  you know, in a closet with your uncle diddling you, or you
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  know, in space and being a superhero and being this uh, this fantastical
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  journey. Do you think how do you think that these schools and the hospitals
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  affected you throughout your life? And do you think that it made you more
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  susceptible to people and things and ideas and belief systems that people are talking about
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  within this community. Unfortunately, I bullgeitated my way through the entire system,
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  the hospitalization, the schooling, everything. Part of me knew exactly what was
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  going on, and part of me didn't. Part of me just took it.
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  And I think that's what helped me, is that the fact that I
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  just decided to go through it, knew the entire time what was going on,
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  knew that I was I was being led astray at times, whether I
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  was like I had mentioned, I was brought to facilities. I don't even
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  remember what I was brought for me And you have discussed things I've done that's
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  pretty mean, you know, to other people, And that's not even what
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  I was brought to those places for, you know, So what could I
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  have done prior to you know? It confuses me all these places that they
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  brought me, And unfortunately that's what that's probably where the stories get made up,
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  is when people get confused and they run out of ideas of what possibly
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  happened, and then they start going on an echo chamber of discovery and finally
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  they're like, well this makes me feel better, it makes some sense,
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  let me go with it. I was never like that in the system.
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  I was never I had hospitals threatening me saying we know your threat, we
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  know you're bullshitting, we know you're trying just to get out of here,
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  we know what you're doing. And I said, look, let me just
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  leave. That they would show me polygraphs and pictures and show me how to
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  like it would be a picture of a kid having surgery, and they said,
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  how does this picture make you feel? And I said, it's horrible.
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  Brother's watching this guy have surgery. This is horrible, Like what's that
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  have to you know, do with anything? And then I'd basically look at
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  the photos and everything they would present to me and dissect them before and knowing
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  exactly what they don't want me to say, and I would tell them what
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  they want to be here so I can get out of you know, get
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  out of the entreprene But I was kept at every place I've been to,
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  not willingly basically, so they so they were pretty much trying to beat you
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  into getting you to stay there longer. They did. They baited me into
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  misbehaving and acting out and staying longer, because at that point, you don't
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  know what do You don't know how to behave. It's just like do I
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  want to just bend over for them the entire time or do I want to
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  swing once in a while. And if you swing once in a while,
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  you're going to be bending over a lot longer. Mm hmm, Shane,
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  you got anything, well, I mean not really at this point I think
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  kind of where this goes next would obviously be where you know, these blanks
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  start to get filled in. Because part of why I brought up the what
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  happens when you do try to act out is it doesn't happen often because the
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  punishment is severe. And if you think about, like just the mechanics of
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  you know, what it's like to get concussed, what it's like to be
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  knocked out, what it's like to be drugged, what it's like to be
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  laid on your back with a lot of fluorescent lights around, and all of
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  that extra room for your imagination to play and fill in. All of that
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  space is vast, right, and if anybody hasn't actually filled it in yet,
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  if they ever do recall that memory, it's still wide open space.
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  That's you know, fertile ground to be filled in. And then this is
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  where you know the CIA came in. Sorry to jump ahead on things,
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  but the CIA came into, you know, not just the CIA, but
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  America a big part of it, to fill in a lot of that empty
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  space for people with visages of little green men. Just to put it comically,
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  there was a time I was completely lost in my own mind. I'll
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  be honest. I remember crying my eyes out on a bed a wooden bench
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  in the middle of a psychiatric center, trying to get food that weekend,
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  and hearing people I've previously known from the place saying what's wrong with him?
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  What happened to him? And it was the dreams I was having then.
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  I was being tossed around. I was being thrown into furniture in these dreams,
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  and it would cause me to like as out in real life and fall
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  off, fall off the bench, and not be able to get any sleep
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  at all during when I was staying at these gotgic centers. And it puts
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  a really, like you said, a blank image into your mind, and
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  it just kind of makes you stare out in the space for a while,
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  even though you're still doing stuff, but in here you're you're empty, You're
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  you're waiting for things to be injected. And I don't think I had a
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  lot of those things injected luckily when I was going when I when I was
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  fractured, right, that's what they call it. I was pretty much fractured
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  for a very long time, having dreams of being tossed out of bed,
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  only to be woken up back in the bed and morphing into creatures and all
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  this weird stuff that I never I can never explain. It will only happen
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  when I was on medication, though, when I was on medication, not
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  off obviously. As soon as I was off cold Turkey incidents would happen where
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  I'd get cold or shaky of that kind of thing, but the dreams would
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  stop immediately. Then on the back end of this, you just kind of
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  dumped out into society, right like, now that we're done with you just
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  go try to figure out how to live a life. Right they had dumped
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  me outside, I had nowhere to go. I had to bakers act myself
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  back inside because my family was unwillingk to help and stay there. If you
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  bakers act yourself, you get a month free or whatever, you get a
• 26:29
  month there. So I did that, and unfortunately they knew I was.
• 26:33
  I was bullshitting the whole time, and they started threatening me to send me
• 26:37
  to places that resemble the movie holes. And when they started doing that,
• 26:41
  I was behaving immediately, you know. I would I would flip desks and
• 26:48
  chairs and stuff like, I have to be here longer. I'd nowhere to
• 26:49
  go. I'm homeless, you know. And then they would just constantly shoot
• 26:55
  me up with something and then say, well, we're going to go to
• 26:56
  this facility. Then if you don't know, you don't want to contribute to
• 27:00
  society while we completely suppress it. That sounds like those camps in Utah that
• 27:08
  you're referring to. The holes camps. A lot of them are religion camps
• 27:14
  to start with, two surprisingly, and then they turn into a lot of
• 27:18
  labor, a lot of labor. They used a lot of churches to facilitate,
• 27:23
  facilitate and hide a lot of those type of things. Yes, they
• 27:26
  were like they would appear from the outside as being just like a regular Bible
• 27:32
  camp. Exactly. There's a whole pamphlet they give you. They can't help
• 27:36
  you get into any of them. They can just you know, they can
• 27:38
  give you the number, and then you can call all these people and they'll
• 27:41
  say, yeah, we'll fracture you, come on down. So it's horrible,
• 27:47
  really, how they how they think. It's like everyone around that facility
• 27:51
  is thinking they're helping you, but they don't realize that they're just throwing you
• 27:53
  into a deeper part of the program. Everyone except for maybe some of the
• 27:59
  heads up there, well they would have to know on some kind of level
• 28:04
  that this isn't the way that you treat children. But at the same time,
• 28:08
  they're getting paid to do it, so uh, you know from the
• 28:12
  documentaries and the college kids looking for credits, that's all I remember. Hospitals,
• 28:22
  psychiatric centers, straight up psychiatric centers right next to the airport too,
• 28:26
  Melbourne Airport. Yeah, people with no credentials and those certifications just in their
• 28:36
  abusing children. Pretty much, these met students because they're going through their own
• 28:41
  version of MK ultra anyways at the time, and they're not questioning, you
• 28:45
  know, maybe the morals and ethics behind what they're seeing. They're just you
• 28:49
  know, they've got to get that degree, They've got to get that,
• 28:52
  they got to get that done. I think there were people playing into that
• 28:59
  so that pro and I think I was just doing the fight or flight and
• 29:02
  I think I was fighting the whole time. And I think that's why I'm
• 29:04
  so stuck in this fight mode now, is because I just know that this
• 29:08
  is the only mode that got me out of that situation that so many people
• 29:11
  are stuck in. And I know not many people like to hear that because
• 29:15
  it's not the best position to be in, but it got me out of
• 29:18
  way worse situations, and that's why I'm still here today to talk to you
• 29:22
  about me not being in the SSP. Yes, please get into that,
• 29:30
  Jesse, because this is a very eye opening experience and we've talked about it
• 29:36
  several times privately. How did this, how did they start to rope you
• 29:41
  into this to this SSP, and how were you treated within the Secret Space
• 29:48
  Program or Super Soldier community and pretty much take us from the beginning. And
• 29:53
  I know you mentioned Max Spears. That was the first video that you've seen
• 29:56
  that kind of got your brain a turning. Then how did it evolve from
• 30:00
  there? Well? I immediately got let go from the d D for refusing
• 30:10
  to take something. And after that, I had plenty of time to research
• 30:15
  all the nonsense I wanted, Right, so I started going back into the
• 30:18
  MC culture stuff. I was like, well, now I'm a free man,
• 30:22
  let me start researching again. And I met I saw a video with
• 30:26
  Tony Penny and Iliana. They did a show together, and I watched part
• 30:33
  of it and I was like, this is interesting. I had no clue
• 30:36
  what they were talking about, but I was captivating because I never heard the
• 30:38
  info before. Right, that's kind of how it works. And then it
• 30:44
  turned into me finding out Penny's information and facebooking her and messaging her, and
• 30:52
  she immediately, you know, she got back to me, and I was
• 30:53
  surprised and all that. I'm thinking Penny's a whole big celebrity at this point
• 30:57
  or something. You know, I'm like, I want to I want to
• 31:00
  figure out what's going on with everyone. And I had messaged her and she
• 31:03
  got back to me, and we had spoke a little bit about you know,
• 31:08
  the knocked waff and stuff for a little bit, and then it turned
• 31:11
  into Joseph Pelle getting a hold of me more often than Penny at this point,
• 31:17
  and they would do Joe would occasionally do energy work they called it on
• 31:22
  me where we would do something like this and he would close his eyes and
• 31:29
  pretend he's doing something to my pineal gland, and then I, you know,
• 31:33
  how do you feel. I'd be like, you know, I would
• 31:34
  kind of. I wouldn't say I was just pulling their leg a little bit,
• 31:37
  but I was going along with it for a while. I didn't want
• 31:41
  to hurt these people's feelings in any way in the beginning, and pretty much
• 31:48
  after that, I think I got a hold of Illiana finally, because I
• 31:51
  heard she wasn't much of a talker. She wasn't very big on the social
• 31:53
  media stuff, according to Penny, And when I had messaged her, she
• 31:59
  said, I didn't have a site when you told me this stuff, so
• 32:01
  that doesn't make sense. You're just lying, You're DoD and immediately blocked me
• 32:06
  eleon and I was like, okay, well, I didn't go anywhere.
• 32:08
  And then I had reached out to James because what had happened, This is
• 32:15
  what sparked it all for me. This is what got me really into it,
• 32:16
  to the part where I was like on that cusp of believing and not
• 32:21
  where I had. I had watched a super Soldier talk video and it was
• 32:25
  with Apolymy Mandolinine is the name she goes the stage name she goes by,
• 32:30
  and she was doing a show with James and it had to do with reptilians
• 32:36
  in space and whatnot. And I go, j had dreams about this.
• 32:38
  I go, I thought I was only the weird guy with the alien dreams,
• 32:42
  you know, because I used to tell people growing up behemoths monsters.
• 32:45
  I never said reptilians, and I definitely never said draconians. So when I
• 32:50
  started giving these things names, I'm like, this is getting interesting because now
• 32:53
  they have names. Now they're just not just monsters to me, right,
• 32:57
  they have races. Right. So I had reached out to James and he
• 33:02
  thought it was interesting. I had told him I dream that I had mentioned
• 33:05
  in the videos, I can also mention here and they He thought it was
• 33:09
  interesting and he immediately wanted to do a show with me. And I had
• 33:13
  mentioned that I didn't have a lot of information and I see his shows going
• 33:15
  on for hour maybe two. I didn't have that kind of information, and
• 33:21
  he kind of just brushed it off and said it's okay. And long story
• 33:23
  short, he had sent me a couple different regressionists or whatever you call them,
• 33:30
  and four or five Lindsey was one of them. Maybe I don't want
• 33:37
  to name a wall, but a bunch of females. And you know,
• 33:40
  I didn't have the money for that. I just quit my job. I
• 33:44
  didn't want to spend three hundred dollars for someone to tell me, yes,
• 33:47
  I'm killing traconians. When I was younger, it didn't really sit with me.
• 33:51
  It didn't make sense to spend money to hear that stuff. And I
• 33:57
  kind of just ignored all of that, and it turned into to going to
• 34:00
  Misha Johnston's groups. After this, I was introduced to Misha from Penny and
• 34:06
  I started going to groups and she has separate groups weekly. So mk ulture
• 34:10
  my lab et channeling a whole different, you know. I went to all
• 34:16
  of them. I didn't know what I was part of yet. I just
• 34:19
  I wanted to see what they were all part of. I had told my
• 34:22
  dreams in the first group after multiple people had discussed rape issues and abuse and
• 34:30
  things of that nature, and I was like, I don't know if I
• 34:34
  belong here. This is I mean, I've had some abuse, but this
• 34:36
  is a this is next level. This is kind of messed up. And
• 34:40
  then they started talking about the dreams and the aliens and their you know,
• 34:44
  their missions and how they recognize each other and all this stuff. And I
• 34:47
  was like, okay, well and I could talk about that stuff because I
• 34:52
  wasn't, you know, I didn't have as many issues as other people growing
• 34:54
  up. I had some, but I you know, so I started talking
• 34:58
  about the alien stuff and immediately everyone's like looking at each other. I could
• 35:01
  see them looking at each other on the little strips of pictures and someone nodded
• 35:07
  to me and said, he's legit, he's real. You know that kind
• 35:09
  of thing. I saw all that go on in my purfle vision. I
• 35:12
  knew exactly from the moment I said that story that I had them looked it
• 35:16
  might have been real, but not to me. And immediately I was like,
• 35:20
  Okay, well, now I can go on with this story and see
• 35:23
  if it's real for me at this point, which it turned out to not
• 35:27
  be. And if you want me to get into the dream or how I
• 35:34
  had the dream or what led to it or all that stuff before, I
• 35:37
  could do that. If you'd like Shane got anything before, Well, it's
• 35:46
  all over the place. No, it's it just that's the story right where
• 35:54
  people are in a vulnerable place. They're trying to make sense of something that
• 35:58
  was going on in their past and then find people who can make sense of
• 36:00
  that for them. That's the reason why anyone gives any cult anywhere on the
• 36:06
  planet, is their own flavor of ice cream of that story. And in
• 36:12
  your case, it happened to be this And what you've reiterated there is something
• 36:16
  that I've been saying for a long time, like, in a sense,
• 36:21
  what played out for in your case, is like the echo of the Max
• 36:27
  Spears Sarah Miles Johnson's story of what went on there, where you have two
• 36:30
  traumatized people who've had some weird things go on in their past. You then
• 36:36
  got all that space fed in by this one crazy person who fed it all
• 36:39
  in with aliens. And I can measure your implants with these fucking fake devices
• 36:44
  I've created. And we're going to create a whole platform and call it you
• 36:49
  know, the bases not just behind them, but be behind this kind of
• 36:52
  nonsense as well. And then we've got this pretty young girl and this pretty
• 36:55
  young boy and we're gonna put them up there like celebrities. And the next
• 36:59
  thing, you know, we have this entire dynamic that just kind of rolls
• 37:02
  out on its own from there. And it's the same story where you know,
• 37:07
  you've got you know, you're in that social setting and people are saying
• 37:12
  that it's this, and you're really convinced, specially if it's a guy with
• 37:15
  girls, like guys will go along with any kind of bullshit in the social
• 37:19
  setting when girls are talking, right, so especially in that kind of a
• 37:22
  sense, but even guys amongst guys, you know, we want community.
• 37:27
  We want that, especially if we're already traumatized and outside of that, we're
• 37:30
  gonna want that, right. So someone comes along and gives you that opportunity,
• 37:35
  and all you got to do is play along with this D and D
• 37:37
  story. Oh that's pretty cool, right, And fortunately you're someone who went,
• 37:44
  Okay, this is kind of weird, because like, I don't know
• 37:46
  that any of that was real, but these ladies are running with it like
• 37:50
  I just told them the ultimate truth and they're you know, it's the gospel.
• 37:54
  And that's when you really have to kind of go, wait, what
• 37:58
  Right? We all have that kind of waking up experience to the way that
• 38:01
  this bullshit unravels in our own way. But yeah, that's a perfect example
• 38:10
  of what it looks like when they get into these groups and the way people
• 38:15
  join their stories to it, and it's really easy to fill in on all
• 38:19
  that empty space with things that sound like what other people are already saying.
• 38:28
  Yeah, it's really incredible, Jesse, that you were able to break out
• 38:30
  of that whole thing and realize what's going on, maybe not from the very
• 38:36
  beginning, but as things progressed, Because that's the way that this SSP Super
• 38:42
  Soldier community works is they just regurgitate other people's stuff and use other people's story
• 38:51
  to confirm their own story, and it's a it's a self repeat it being
• 39:00
  yeah, And I feel like a lot of people get hooked into it and
• 39:04
  stay with it for so long because they feel like they don't have anything else,
• 39:08
  They don't have anything else to contribute to the community, so therefore they
• 39:14
  double down on the SSP nonsense, made up fairytale garbage. And that's completely
• 39:21
  There's so many different topics to talk about. I mean, we could do
• 39:23
  one hundred shows and do a different topic every single show and not ever bring
• 39:29
  up the Secret Space Program or Super Soldiers. But people have been so hooked
• 39:34
  into it because it's it has this communal aspect of it. And I think
• 39:39
  a big part of it is too is like loneliness, right, because people
• 39:44
  within this community are normally really lonely people. And that's you got to deal
• 39:52
  with that, Like you got to realize, being yeah, you got to
• 39:55
  realize that this is a lonely journey to begin with. This is and I'm
• 40:00
  an only child, so I'm okay being alone a lot of the time.
• 40:06
  So and I feel like I have a really conscious and tough mind as well
• 40:12
  to overcome a lot of stuff. So and I think that that's what gets
• 40:17
  people hooked in, is like Machine's talking about the communal aspect of it,
• 40:21
  all these people being together in the group. And then but then what really
• 40:25
  doesn't make any sense is like the like the arguing and the bickering from these
• 40:31
  people. It's always drama. It's always this person fighting with that person,
• 40:37
  that person fighting with this person, and it makes zero sense. Like you
• 40:40
  would think that if all this stuff is real and all these people were talking
• 40:45
  about this this stuff and they all have similar stories, that they would get
• 40:49
  along super well. But they don't. They don't they and they never have.
• 40:57
  It's the spotlight. You gotta have the biggest, sexiest story. There
• 41:00
  I go again in order to get the spotlight, and everyone wants that it
• 41:06
  makes sense. I mean, there's without getting us in trouble, there's court
• 41:09
  cases going on because people actually take that ego a little bit too far when
• 41:14
  it comes to this. You know, basically we're describing dungeons and dragons,
• 41:19
  like do you guys remember the scenes and strange things, Stranger things when the
• 41:22
  kids were fighting over like whether or not the rules of Dungeon Dragons were right
• 41:25
  and whether or not someone was breaking them, like, this is the way
• 41:29
  that it goes, and that's exactly what they're fighting is is like, no,
• 41:32
  I'm supposed to be the dungeon machester for this particular conversation. And yeah,
• 41:37
  this was the part that right from the beginning for myself, when the
• 41:44
  Ruiner first came forward and was planning on kind of going on that circuit that
• 41:46
  I could, I'd like right away was like, wait, well, you
• 41:50
  guys are doing what because they have these group calls behind the scenes before they
• 41:53
  record anything for the public, to get everyone's story straight, make sure that
• 41:59
  no one's stepping on each other's toes, making sure that everyone's on the same
• 42:01
  page. And well, you talk about this thing, and that's problematic because
• 42:05
  I talk about this thing and my version of events goes like this, So
• 42:08
  is there any way we can adjust yours so that it also fits into that.
• 42:12
  Oh yeah, let's do that, right, and they they do that.
• 42:15
  Now you know it's it's it's ridiculous and nobody wants to hear it,
• 42:19
  and there's no way I can show you that. But you know, become
• 42:22
  a whistleblower. Go meet some of these people. You're gonna see that it's
• 42:24
  true. They're sketchiest, and you know, this is the game that they're
• 42:29
  playing. And that is why the circuit only lasts so long. There's only
• 42:35
  a finite amount of money that you can kind of draw in from running it
• 42:38
  unless you keep evolving. And the only way to keep evolving it is to
• 42:43
  keep coming up with the bigger, sexier story than the year before for yourself,
• 42:47
  or then someone else comes along and adds into that burrito, and so
• 42:51
  the burrito gets bigger year after year, right, And that's exactly where we're
• 42:55
  at with it all now. And yeah, it's it's funny for me because
• 43:00
  you know, this was all of my life watching, you know, hearing
• 43:05
  about this happening to the rest of the world and watching it unfold, and
• 43:08
  then to kind of also get a first hand glimpse of how this has worked
• 43:12
  within this community. It's all the same thing when I say the plus C
• 43:15
  will effect. What do you think of something that's not real that's making you
• 43:20
  think that it is real? Right, Typically people will think of a medication
• 43:24
  like you're taking tail and all that's not really tail and all, and your
• 43:28
  brain convinces you that it is tilent so much so that you believe that it
• 43:31
  is right. That's how people form their own reality bubbles. And unfortunately,
• 43:37
  within those bubbles, it that shit seems real, like that talent all is
• 43:40
  working. And that's what people are doing in these various pockets, not just
• 43:45
  this particular pocket, but in a lot of other ones. They're choosing the
• 43:50
  reality bubble that has space aliens in it, that take them to Mars at
• 43:53
  night and let them mine and fight aliens and do all this fun stuff that's
• 43:59
  a lot cool. And then the day to day life that they have possibly
• 44:04
  in their mom and their aunt's basement or something to that effect. Right,
• 44:07
  So yeah, human, Going back to the competing aspect, I would notice
• 44:16
  during these groups that people would they only had a very short time to share.
• 44:22
  Whether it was because of money restrictions and how long you can hold the
• 44:25
  zoom meetings that type of thing, or if it was just because you know,
• 44:30
  people wanting to move it along. A lot of people were fighting to
• 44:35
  tell their story. A lot of people were coming in and constantly knocked off
• 44:38
  in solar war and on that I found out on this last night, I
• 44:44
  had a regression the other day. This happened. And then not to throw
• 44:47
  anyone completely under the bus, but every time someone to come back and say
• 44:52
  they had a regression with nishe next thing they do is they go on the
• 44:57
  the SSP, Marry go around and go to every and go platform and the
• 45:00
  you know that they can find and discuss that regression, whether it's true or
• 45:07
  not. I you know who know it's right. But that's kind of what
• 45:09
  I saw was people going through steps to get to the sort of fame that
• 45:14
  everyone's looking for. And it starts with that group that that Zoom private group.
• 45:21
  They're they're they're handling you, they're grooming you to be a secret space
• 45:28
  program. Astro not is basically what they're doing. And James Rink was exposed
• 45:36
  for them by that guy in Canada. He completely made up an entire story
• 45:40
  and paid for a regression from James Rink and made up all this stuff about
• 45:46
  Kevin Spacey and all this nonsense. And then James was like, oh,
• 45:52
  yeah, come on my show and talk about it, and he did,
• 45:54
  and it was all made up garbage. I mean, there's a whole documentary
• 45:58
  about that on a YouTube. Okie's weird stories and it's a very eye opening
• 46:02
  experience. I think the title of the video is how I infiltrated a conspiracy
• 46:07
  cult or something like that. The dudes from Canada around where you are a
• 46:13
  shamed and that's the way the James does it. I mean, justse you
• 46:20
  told a kind of different story that you reached out to him and that with
• 46:23
  your experience. Did he ask to progress you? Did he want to?
• 46:30
  What I was told was he has what he's doing his interviews, He's constantly
• 46:34
  looking at things he can add to that discussion that'll better, that'll help that
• 46:38
  person discuss more. Or if the person's kind of running low on you know,
• 46:44
  information, he can be like, well, there's this here, and
• 46:45
  we could talk about this for five minutes and he won't even let you know,
• 46:49
  but he'll just say, well that I have heard of this star system
• 46:52
  or this group or this and and then he'll tie it into that so that
• 46:57
  this person can now tie in everything else and more people will be like,
• 47:01
  wow, Okay, it's got to be real because it's tying into everything.
• 47:05
  So David Wilcock would do that too, but he would also do that to
• 47:08
  test people where he would like say like, oh, yeah, so and
• 47:13
  so told me this is that real? When he was he knew he was
• 47:15
  just making that up out of rabrication to see if you just go along with
• 47:19
  it. But you know, he's a he's a level above those people in
• 47:22
  the same game, right, But it's the same tactic of you know,
• 47:27
  I heard this from this person. Did you hear that too? Oh?
• 47:30
  Sources confirmed right, and uh, the way we run. But that shows
• 47:36
  the call ability of the entire community. I mean, if you can just
• 47:40
  go to someone in I mean, what does that say about the person that
• 47:45
  is confirming that to the person when they obviously, for example, David is
• 47:52
  making that up and then the person that he's telling it to is also making
• 47:57
  it up by confirming that he said it. So what does that tell you
• 48:00
  about those people as well? That they're willing to go along with anything and
• 48:06
  confirm anybody's story about anything to try and get more fame. Pretty much,
• 48:10
  there's got to be a difference between when people deal with these and constantly feed
• 48:16
  it their whole live and then they meet these people and there's like boom,
• 48:20
  I got to join them, and then you have me where I it was
• 48:23
  like seven eight years before I decided to even research some of the stuff or
• 48:29
  even look into the dreams or reach out, and I kind of just threw
• 48:31
  it in a back burner so that by the time I got to this group,
• 48:35
  I was just like, what are they talking about? This doesn't make
• 48:37
  sense to me. This isn't you know, this doesn't sound appealing. I
• 48:40
  don't want to be part of this. I feel like, if there's a
• 48:44
  you know, some people need to not join the group. Sometimes not every
• 48:47
  situation, but as soon as you join a group and it becomes an echo
• 48:52
  chamber of information and you're feeding that and that's all you're gonna believe. But
• 48:57
  I'm not saying to isolate yourself like I do, which I do all the
• 49:00
  time. But that's what happened. I was isolated for years in hotels,
• 49:06
  trying to you know, working for celebrities as Roady, a whole bunch of
• 49:08
  stuff, and I was always constantly either having these dreams or avoiding them and
• 49:15
  fighting, you know, telling my stuff, not having not taking pills,
• 49:17
  not going to people, not going to podcasts, but certainly not going to
• 49:22
  reshare any of those people, and constantly being like, this is this is
• 49:27
  nuts. I'm either this is either just dreams or it's something else. But
• 49:31
  I always constantly put it off. I never stuck with it. I was
• 49:35
  always like, Okay, I need to work, I need to make money,
• 49:37
  I need to live, I need to eat. I didn't really care
• 49:39
  about this constant you know, other stuff. And then I think sometimes along
• 49:44
  the line, when you're like you're saying, when it's hard, when you're
• 49:46
  lonely, when your life isn't the way you want it to be, you
• 49:51
  see an opportunity arise in something like this, and usually you take it,
• 49:57
  and if you don't, you get back lashed. And I've spoke openly about
• 50:00
  like it. It teases your ego big time, right, Like I almost
• 50:06
  broke up with my girlfriend when I first came out with the Ruiner stuff because
• 50:08
  of the fact that I was giving it so much attention. I'd wake up
• 50:12
  to like sixty fucking emails, you know what I mean. Like it captivates
• 50:16
  you in that way too, So it made sense to me how people could
• 50:20
  get sucked into that. You know, I was neglecting things in my own
• 50:22
  life because I was so preoccupied with playing this part of the whistleblower man if
• 50:29
  I needed that, right because I have never needed that. But if I
• 50:32
  did need that, man, would that have been good like drugs for me?
• 50:38
  Right? For me, it was a problem, right like it was
• 50:43
  getting into the way of my actual career, my actual life, my actual
• 50:46
  relationships. So I took a step away from it. But I see and
• 50:51
  this is the to me, the kind of proof and the result as well.
• 50:54
  And another way that you can prove this to yourself is go sit in
• 50:58
  on an a meeting because they are so conversations don't sound like these secret space
• 51:04
  program people who are so heavily traumatized. But I'll let you sort that out
• 51:07
  on your own. But yeah, like it doesn't. You don't have that
• 51:12
  drive to keep bringing that story out. You kind of want to get away
• 51:15
  from it because you know it does get in the way of your life.
• 51:19
  But if you need that, then it is the best drug that a person
• 51:22
  can get. And it's just like being on stage. And this is again
• 51:25
  why I never needed It's just like being on stage as a musician, right
• 51:30
  like writer, you know, like there is a drug involved with that,
• 51:32
  performing in front of anybody, knowing that you're being heard by a variety of
• 51:38
  like hundreds of people on the internet, it's the same thing for people,
• 51:44
  and we're crazy if we want to deny that. And it's a powerful drug,
• 51:47
  and especially when you can just make it up right. You can borrow
• 51:52
  it from movies and you can hear it from them and add your own version
• 51:57
  onto that. And that's why I was comparing it to AA circles, because
• 52:00
  you don't hear them compiling on each other's stories, right like if someone before
• 52:05
  you just are delivered a really life all like shattering story and yours doesn't compare
• 52:10
  to that. You take a step back. You don't add on, you
• 52:14
  don't want up them right, and you're never gonning you hear them moving on
• 52:19
  exactly because not sick, because it's real. But if you are making those
• 52:22
  stories up, that's why it's the one upmanship all the time, making the
• 52:28
  burriedo bigger, got a jam packed that burrito baby. Put all the topics
• 52:35
  in here. But isn't that interesting? I go from searching nyul trick and
• 52:39
  eventually it leads to learning about star seeds and and you know, buzzwords like
• 52:45
  that. I thought that was very interesting how that happens. That's the CIA
• 52:51
  right there. That's anything that if you start looking into MK Ultra, You're
• 52:55
  going to end up with aliens. That's by design. That's how they cover
• 53:00
  it up. How they've covered up all the experimentation that leads to all the
• 53:05
  technology that they're now showing us is is by pointing us in the direction of
• 53:12
  it's not us. It couldn't possibly be us, We don't possibly have any
• 53:15
  of that technology. But yeah, unfortunately they do have that technology that they
• 53:22
  have and now we get to see it. But so just more to it.
• 53:29
  Going back to Montalk, because I know you too enjoy Montalk discussions because
• 53:35
  I'm from Long Islands. After I had stopped going to Misha's shows or meetings,
• 53:42
  I had I think Shawna, you know, you know, Shauna and
• 53:45
  Will Glover would constantly hit me up with missions that we run on years ago,
• 53:49
  or we went on last night or whatever it was, and I was
• 53:52
  like, oh cool, did we get that alien? Do do we get
• 53:54
  the bad guy? You know? Let me know. I was just,
• 53:58
  you know, I was I don't know if they thought I thought I was
• 54:00
  real. They were trying to bait me into like and it's not believing in
• 54:04
  any of this. Whatever it was, I feel like I was being sign
• 54:07
  uped by the group almost to the point where they were trying to see if
• 54:09
  I wanted to be legit or not, or you know, continuing with the
• 54:14
  grift, and I felt like they were just feeding me stuff at this point
• 54:17
  for me to be like, what's going on to the point where I won't
• 54:21
  get into any names now, but I was told a lot of horrible accusations
• 54:23
  of things done to people within that group by other people in that group,
• 54:29
  and so many people came just to me to tell me this, and I'm
• 54:31
  thinking, either it's real or they're trying to kick me out of the group
• 54:36
  because they know I'm going to discuss some stuff that no one else wants to
• 54:39
  and they're going to try to force me out by making me get angry at
• 54:43
  someone within the group who was prominent and everyone you know, respects in that
• 54:46
  group, which I did, and then everyone started hating me because I decided
• 54:50
  to lash out at that certain person for doing the things I was probably did
• 54:54
  these accusations where they have things that you were doing like within the group,
• 54:58
  or are they something that you do in the astral or something that you did
• 55:00
  in the programs, or these are accusations of me raping someone in their dreams
• 55:07
  as as a demon. I did that quite a lot to some people.
• 55:10
  And then these are accusations of people saying saying that someone else within the group
• 55:15
  would go to conferences and actually do that at these hotels. Man, if
• 55:22
  I got paid for every time someone told me that they've seen me in their
• 55:25
  dreams since I started doing this stuff, I would be a very very rich
• 55:29
  man. But yeah, that's the playbook. Is as soon as you're not
• 55:34
  playing along, then all of a sudden, oh you're programmed or you're the
• 55:37
  Dark Alliance or you're the the CIA, or you're the you know, you're
• 55:43
  turning into a bad person in the astral start behaving, so you'll turn into
• 55:46
  a good person in the astral well exactly. And you can't like, you
• 55:50
  can't prove any of that stuff. So it's just easy to say, right,
• 55:53
  It's like, it's like what they do with any celebrity. Oh they're
• 55:57
  they're a pedo, they're they're like based on what I was told, my
• 56:02
  handler lives in Colorado, I told seriously before I met you Roder and Shane,
• 56:08
  I was told my handler lives in Colorado, and I worked for Northrop
• 56:13
  Grumman and my draconian I had a draconian general and I went after really bad
• 56:19
  SSP assets and that's what they were for. Recently trying to figure out what
• 56:22
  I was part of, and they told me. I was like, what
• 56:25
  you're You're bringing in actual military, you know, corporations into this, and
• 56:30
  it's You're like, now you're just helping them. Now, I don't even
• 56:35
  want to be part of this. Now you're just helping northwarp out. What
• 56:39
  the other thing I want to point to is just the playing along that you
• 56:44
  did, because that's what people would do in that situation, because you don't
• 56:49
  want to be the one who's like, oh, you guys are crazy until
• 56:53
  it turns out. The monetization that's when I stopped. When I started.
• 56:59
  When I saw people turn this crap into monetization of trauma, I was like,
• 57:02
  that's not what I'm here for. I wanted to take out the banking
• 57:06
  corporations, all the bad people and the you know, the tyrants of the
• 57:08
  universe, not some ripped Chillians and a guy's dream that he had when he
• 57:13
  was five. That's all I had. But I came into this group expecting
• 57:16
  to fight the real issues. I was so excited when I met Penny and
• 57:20
  Tony and all these people. I was like, man, I finally met
• 57:22
  people who think like me in some aspect. And I was completely let down
• 57:28
  when it just went a left turn or left turn and it completely you know,
• 57:31
  went into like la la land where I was like, wow, I
• 57:35
  this is pathetic. This is not what I wanted at all. This is
• 57:37
  not going to wake up the people I want to wake up. You know,
• 57:42
  if you're gonna get made fun of or you're just going to get a
• 57:45
  platform, that's all every one of these types of cults work. And I've
• 57:50
  done a lot of research and a lot of study into UFO cults, and
• 57:54
  that's one of the things that they do. As soon as someone starts disagreeing
• 57:58
  with them, or soon as so one wants to break away from the cult
• 58:00
  or create their own cult, or create their own sect of a cult,
• 58:05
  they're automatically the dark Alliance. They're automatically the infiltrator. They're automatically the asset,
• 58:15
  the vampire energy harvesting, freaking blood lust and vampire sucking, reptilian energy
• 58:30
  looking ass And that's the way that it always goes because they have to demonize
• 58:37
  the individual that they no longer want to get along with. And that's not
• 58:42
  just to this group, that's not just to these kind of cults. That's
• 58:45
  the way that the media works. That's the way that things have worked in
• 58:51
  ancients. That's the way that they worked in Victorian times. When they get
• 58:54
  rid of somebody, you create this perception around that individual, regardless if it's
• 59:00
  true or not, and then you get them out of the way and they're
• 59:04
  gone. It definitely worked. A lot of people were assuming a lot of
• 59:10
  things that never happened, and unfortunately I should have not went along with it
• 59:15
  because they might have done more harm than good. Like, you know,
• 59:21
  it's really really quickly just you know, it's really interesting that they pretty much
• 59:25
  say that dreams aren't real, that none of this stuff is their dreams.
• 59:30
  But then that's the case that sometimes dreams don't mean anything, and then for
• 59:35
  some people they do, but not everybody. It's just enough is enough.
• 59:38
  But it's so ridiculous that they would take this this thought, in this idea
• 59:44
  that you did something to them in their dream state. Whenever they claim that
• 59:50
  that none of this stuff is dreams, that it's all real, that all
• 59:53
  happened to the do me a favor and tell me why you believe you're a
• 1:00:02
  super soldier in the super secret space program without mentioning a dream. Just do
• 1:00:08
  it has turned into a timeline, though for the audience it was a timeline
• 1:00:14
  of events that led me to discovering MK culture online and eventually meeting these other
• 1:00:20
  people. It was just me, my own thoughts and my own grandeur of
• 1:00:23
  thinking that led me to the algorithm of you know that did the rest of
• 1:00:29
  the thinking for me, and eventually I met these folks, and it's you
• 1:00:32
  know, I could see how so many people get sucked into it very quickly.
• 1:00:37
  One person I like to bring up real quick is ar Kim ra Jeff
• 1:00:39
  whatever you like to call him. He reached out to me a lot before
• 1:00:44
  he became a big YouTuber or whatever you want to call him at this point,
• 1:00:47
  and I immediately blocked him. I had no idea why people want to
• 1:00:53
  grasp and say I remember you from the programs every time they see you,
• 1:00:58
  as if that's an icebreaker. It just doesn't make sense. And if you
• 1:01:02
  immediately block them, it's now considered you're an enemy because you don't you know,
• 1:01:07
  you know, you just don't believe in it. Well, that is
• 1:01:12
  why he was so upset with me, right because I big brotherdom through the
• 1:01:15
  Montalk program that doesn't exist. So I reached out to him a lot.
• 1:01:20
  I wanted to help. I helped his friend out, Rocco. How many
• 1:01:23
  people know that I did spend hours with Rocco, just like we are now
• 1:01:29
  talking about his real issues with the schooling and the programs he went through,
• 1:01:32
  the foster care homes he had to go through. He went through a lot
• 1:01:37
  of horrible stuff. And he told me how many times Joe and other people
• 1:01:42
  would batter him, of lack of a better word, into telling people that
• 1:01:46
  this is all SSP related and nothing to do with you know, child abuse.
• 1:01:54
  You would tell me this, and that's when eventually I was like,
• 1:01:58
  I'm done with them. I need to tell people the truth. They're using
• 1:02:01
  traumatized kids to spread misinformation. And the worst part is it's for their own
• 1:02:08
  personal gain, like they're doing like you know, the CIA's dirty work for
• 1:02:13
  them. But that's by design, Like these people are doing it for their
• 1:02:16
  own personal gain. It's not even like they're doing it because they're controlled by
• 1:02:22
  you know, insert agency X there. It's because we do it to ourselves,
• 1:02:28
  right, And this is something I've been expressing for a long time,
• 1:02:30
  is they just set the stage and we started pulling our own strings and walking
• 1:02:35
  down the path that they wanted us to when it came to all this stuff,
• 1:02:37
  and it's all blown up in our face, right, and pretty much
• 1:02:43
  everything it's all prooven the result at this point because it's happening right in front
• 1:02:47
  of us. I really think they're going to be shooting rockets into the moon
• 1:02:51
  on the eighth, if the if this idea of the raytheon facility trafficking there,
• 1:03:00
  taking care of space traffic is all true. Like no, I don't
• 1:03:04
  really think that both of these worlds exist simultaneously, but if you do,
• 1:03:07
  then they are legitimately doing that. They are shooting three rockets into the solar
• 1:03:15
  eclipse on the eighth, and it's named after Egyptian god because they're funny.
• 1:03:22
  It's like, even with this certain thing, everyone's focused on, like the
• 1:03:27
  eighth date, even though that technically got the twenty sixth, twenty seventh,
• 1:03:31
  the eighth, the tenth, and then that leads all up to something that's
• 1:03:35
  going to come around the fifteenth or sixteenth. But there was the eighth in
• 1:03:38
  there too, guys. So out of those seven dates that they gave us,
• 1:03:42
  let's focus on the one, and that's you're guest writer the other night,
• 1:03:50
  Lynn. He made up a good brought up a good point. There's
• 1:03:53
  a certain aspect of truth and once you cross that fine line, you could
• 1:03:58
  be exaggerating and you don't even know it. And there's a lot of people
• 1:04:00
  that have crossed that line. They're you know, they're catching home runs at
• 1:04:04
  this point, and it's they don't know how far they are at this point.
• 1:04:10
  It's you can see them drowning. But at the same point, they
• 1:04:13
  keep trying to rejuvenate themselves by using that echo chamber of of you believe in
• 1:04:17
  this, right, you believe in this, Please tell me you believe in
• 1:04:19
  this. And it's just it's kind of sad at this point to me.
• 1:04:26
  That's why I've taken the slow route, but the honorable route, you know,
• 1:04:33
  like my channel slowly getting there. But I really don't have anything that
• 1:04:41
  I'm going to feel bad about in the future. You know, you can't
• 1:04:45
  say that I built my show upon nonsense and bullshit. You just can't.
• 1:04:51
  I haven't. I've worked really hard and I've done it from the bottom and
• 1:04:57
  done it all on my own, and I that's an honorable way to do
• 1:05:01
  it. These people that just blow up out of nowhere one they're not going
• 1:05:06
  to have any lasting credibility. And they get all these and then they have
• 1:05:14
  to keep It's like what she was talking about earlier. They have to keep
• 1:05:19
  compounding upon the nonsense and making it bigger and badder each time they do something
• 1:05:26
  to increasingly grow their audience. You know. I mean, I might be
• 1:05:30
  on the snail route of this whole thing, but I'm going to last.
• 1:05:38
  And these people are not playing the long game. They're playing the short game.
• 1:05:43
  They want to blow up really quickly, really fastly, and then in
• 1:05:46
  three or four years, they're going to have, you know, pretty much
• 1:05:50
  nothing. I said to Corey back in the day, I'm like, this
• 1:05:54
  must be exhausting, dude, because you got to be constantly listening to what
• 1:05:58
  everybody's saying about you. You got to be constantly listening to what everybody's saying
• 1:06:02
  about you and your information, and you got to be constantly listening to all
• 1:06:06
  the new information that everyone's adding to the burrito, and you've got to be
• 1:06:11
  paying attention to what's going on in the world so that you're ready with your
• 1:06:14
  hot take based on what everyone else has said, and you got to make
• 1:06:16
  sure that your hot take is the same but just a little bit different,
• 1:06:20
  you know, and keep it all going. And fuck, that must get
• 1:06:24
  exhausting. I don't know why that you guys would even want to keep that
• 1:06:27
  up, because it's exhausting. If you're telling the truth, it must be
• 1:06:30
  really tiring if you're lying, Like, I know what it's like to write
• 1:06:33
  fictional stories, and that can get exhausting. I wouldn't want to live a
• 1:06:36
  fictional story. That would be exhausting. But yeah, I was there where
• 1:06:44
  I was looking at you know, I have I now have attention of you
• 1:06:48
  know, this entire audience, like the biggest viewpoint of it. And I
• 1:06:54
  have this opportunity where someone's going to put a website in front of me where
• 1:06:57
  I could be constantly making money off of it. But my brain works is
• 1:07:00
  I think things through, and you know, as soon as I got to
• 1:07:03
  like, but I've already told my story, all I would be doing is
• 1:07:06
  telling that story again, and then fuck, I gonna have to make stuff
• 1:07:11
  up. And that was what made me not do it, right, So
• 1:07:15
  yeah, and then you know, years go by before I can I can
• 1:07:20
  say, all right, now I've kind of made my own little box I
• 1:07:25
  can fit myself into. But man, it would have been really easy and
• 1:07:30
  very lucrative had I have you know, had no integrity. Let's put it
• 1:07:34
  that way. You know that mobile game, I believe it's a mobile game.
• 1:07:40
  There are people are you kind of constantly run in this game and you're
• 1:07:44
  picking up everyone around you, right, I think that's how the game works.
• 1:07:47
  You you started as one guy, and you run into other mobs of
• 1:07:50
  people, and then you become one big blob and then you can run into
• 1:07:54
  more stuff. And that's exactly how this group. Where these groups work,
• 1:07:59
  they constantly roll be in everything from you know, crystal healing, to frequencies
• 1:08:04
  to you know, all the stuff that had to do with Tartaria. They
• 1:08:09
  bring everything that can possibly find in the conspiracy world tied into this so that
• 1:08:14
  every other thing, every other thing that's actually made either money or headway,
• 1:08:18
  can finally be like either thought as proof or built upon. Well that also
• 1:08:27
  serves as well. If you look up one thing, it'll lead you to
• 1:08:30
  all these other things as well, because it's all under this banner. It's
• 1:08:35
  all under this It's all in the conspiracy burrito, right, So if you
• 1:08:40
  peel back one layer of the burrito, you have ten layers under it that
• 1:08:45
  people can go down all these separate in different rabbit holes. And there's nothing
• 1:08:51
  wrong with making money, but there is something wrong with making money built upon
• 1:08:58
  lies and fabrications and fantasy and trauma. It's okay if you're making money if
• 1:09:05
  you're an honorable individual and integrity and you're trying to get to the bottom of
• 1:09:11
  some of this stuff, because trust me, it's a lot of It's really
• 1:09:15
  really heavy and takes a lot of time and a lot of energy and a
• 1:09:18
  lot of work. And I only do like two shows a week, and
• 1:09:21
  you know, that's pretty much all that I can really handle. But the
• 1:09:28
  problem is is when people are making money and making thousands and thousands of dollars
• 1:09:33
  off of garbage. But the problem rest in that people don't want to support
• 1:09:43
  the people that are trying to get to the bottom of the truth. They
• 1:09:46
  want to support the fantasy nonsense. That's why David Wilcock can rack up fifteen
• 1:09:53
  hundred dollars and twenty minutes on his YouTube channel because it's fantasy, it's garbage,
• 1:10:00
  just nonsense, and people tend to want to hear that more than they
• 1:10:03
  want to hear conversations like the one that we're having today, in all of
• 1:10:08
  the conversations that are on my YouTube channel as well, they don't want to
• 1:10:15
  hear that kind of stuff because it's too real. And this community has become
• 1:10:18
  like an escape mechanism for a lot of people, not only the Secret Space
• 1:10:24
  Program, but the truth or in the conspiracy community alike. It's at the
• 1:10:30
  core and at the root of them. They're all almost identical. And the
• 1:10:33
  fact that people don't want real life things, they don't want real questions,
• 1:10:41
  they don't want to get to the bottom and all this stuff because then it
• 1:10:44
  ruins the perception of reality in their core belief of what they think is happening.
• 1:10:49
  And if all this stuff was solved, like let's say we solved the
• 1:10:55
  UFO community stuff, which I feel that I have believe that I've said it
• 1:11:01
  a hundred times that it's military craft, right, But people don't want to
• 1:11:04
  hear that it's military craft. They want to hear this extraterrestrials and aliens because
• 1:11:09
  it goes back to that root cause of religion. Are we the only people
• 1:11:13
  in this universe. There's no way that we're the only people in this universe.
• 1:11:15
  So they got to be aliens, right, And it brings us wonder
• 1:11:18
  in this this fantasy into their lives. But if that were to be revealed
• 1:11:26
  that aliens don't exist, the UFOs aren't aliens, that they're military craft that
• 1:11:34
  crumbles the entire community. It destroys ufology at its core. No longer wild
• 1:11:42
  people be able to make millions dollars off of these conferences and off of these
• 1:11:46
  speaking gigs. Well, probably not millions, but thousands, some of them,
• 1:11:50
  some of them millions. We know a few of those people actively tied
• 1:11:56
  up in lawsuits. But that's what they don't want their foundation. They don't
• 1:12:01
  want their their opportunity to make something of themselves in the future to be crumbled
• 1:12:08
  out from underneath them. That's why they don't want to listen to real talk
• 1:12:13
  and people trying to get to the bottom. And that's not saying that I'm
• 1:12:16
  right all the time. I'm not right all the time. I make mistakes,
• 1:12:20
  but I try my best to come up with the most logical and common
• 1:12:25
  sense conclusion that we can possibly come to and not a lot of times it
• 1:12:30
  evolves. It evolves from there and it turns into something different. Like I
• 1:12:33
  thought I had the Secret Space Program figured out, I thought, oh,
• 1:12:35
  well, all this stuff is just nonsense, made up bullshit. Well,
• 1:12:39
  it turns out that these behavioral modification schools are very similar to what the Secret
• 1:12:45
  Space Program and these super soldiers talk about. So there is a realism now
• 1:12:51
  where all of them put through one of these behavioral minus space of course,
• 1:12:56
  yes, but where all of them put through all these behavioral modification schools.
• 1:13:00
  No, I don't believe that they were maybe a few of them, a
• 1:13:04
  couple of them, and then they have changed their story due to the trauma
• 1:13:09
  that they went there at these schools, and then they've created something out of
• 1:13:12
  that, this fairy tale story, and then everyone else picks up on that
• 1:13:15
  fairy tale story. And the reason has now proved in the result because there's
• 1:13:21
  a lot of things coming out in the world. The Umperor has no clothes
• 1:13:25
  and everyone can see it, and that gets them to go down rabbit holes.
• 1:13:28
  And where that rabbit hole ends is right in the middle of out the
• 1:13:30
  muck we've created over here, and that ends up having everyone's running screaming back
• 1:13:36
  out of the rabbit hole being like okay, no, and they give up
• 1:13:41
  on the whole thing, and the truth in it gets buried because of the
• 1:13:47
  rabbit hole itself. And you know, I've been warning about this since before
• 1:13:51
  anyone ever heard the name the Ruiner, and it's been it has happened.
• 1:13:57
  Right. It's the same thing with so many other things. It's like a
• 1:14:00
  here's an example, you'll love this one. Everybody in our community is like
• 1:14:04
  showing this your ear Besmanov thing from the eighties where he was talking about how
• 1:14:09
  he was gonna the Russians had this plant to infiltrate America, right, and
• 1:14:13
  how they would do it, and everyone's like looking at that with hindsight being
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  like, oh damn, that happened. Well, what was the other explanation
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  that nobody in the un for UFO community ever really likes to talk about.
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  For Roswell, that it was a certain Russian dictator putting some mutilated children in
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  something that looked like a spacecraft because he heard War of the Worlds and that
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  was really successful and he thought, man, this would be a really fun
• 1:14:36
  way to mess with them, right, And it's funny because nobody wanted to
• 1:14:41
  we throw that out outright right, that's just gone from our vernacular. But
• 1:14:45
  then NASA is still faked going to the moon because they were competing with Russia.
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  And this other thing competing with Russia is also true. But this one
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  thing about them competing with Russia that would could completely knock our theories out of
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  the water. So whoa see exactly what's going on here with this community is
• 1:15:02
  they just pick and choose. NASA is telling the truth when it validates what
• 1:15:05
  we want. They're lying when it doesn't. The government's telling the truth when
• 1:15:10
  it validates what we want. They're lying when they don't. Speakers like someone
• 1:15:14
  like Jesse comes along and he's telling the truth. He's valid what he's validating
• 1:15:16
  what we've said, and he's lying when they don't. And guess what he's
• 1:15:19
  in he's a astral you know, evil person too because he's directly if I'm
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  wrong. This is all started around you know Roswell and all that or more
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  so. But that's when they were really getting used to the satellite programs they
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  were putting up there or Yeah, so you have to think was one of
• 1:15:40
  them acrass satellite or was one of them the fake tech that's someone whoever blackheed,
• 1:15:45
  whoever built, and they put in those cadavers that you mentioned, and
• 1:15:50
  people caught onto it like wildfire, and then next thing they know, they
• 1:15:54
  could do all this space or sort of space stuff that you know, without
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  getting caught. I could give you one hundred and one explanations, but none
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  of them include aliens. You don't want to hear them, right, Well,
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  I mean it makes way, It makes a lot of sense regardless if
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  it was our technology, another country's technology, Russia messing with this and putting
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  candavers in and crashing and it. I mean, it could have been whatever.
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  Regardless whatever it was, the government isn't going to tell you what it
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  was because each one of those things it exposes a certain aspect of it.
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  So if it was Russia, they're not going to tell you that it was
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  Russia, because then that nites nites something within the population. More importantly,
• 1:16:45
  they are going to tell you something, and they're going to repeat that lie,
• 1:16:49
  and they're going to repeat that lie, and they're going to repeat that
• 1:16:51
  lie, and they're going to encourage other people to repeat that lie, so
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  that forever we're looking at that lie, and we're not actually looking at a
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  real world problem that we could actually do something about if we were actually looking
• 1:17:05
  at it, right, I feel that most people look at it as lack
• 1:17:10
  of a better word, boring. Truth is boring to them. They get
• 1:17:14
  stuck in a certain rabbit hole where it's all here, everything that happens,
• 1:17:18
  apparently now is all bull. None of it happens. There's no deaths,
• 1:17:21
  there's no numbers, there's no nothing. It's just all constantly just trying to
• 1:17:26
  create fear that's not entirely true. And we all know that, even them,
• 1:17:30
  and I feel like once they felt like they grasped that idea completely,
• 1:17:34
  they completely disregarded for all this stuff that's going around them to be real and
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  happening, and the world that they decided to be part of, that's the
• 1:17:42
  only stuff that's actually happening. And now they're constantly telling people that this world
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  that they're part of, or this ideology that they're part of, is the
• 1:17:49
  only thing that people should be focusing on because it's it's way more beneficial,
• 1:17:55
  and they feel they feel amazing afterwards, and they think that they know more
• 1:17:59
  than the average person. So it puts it elevates their ego. I've played
• 1:18:03
  the clip of Barack Obama talking about this, I think with Shane before,
• 1:18:09
  where he is talking about, well, if you flood the public square with
• 1:18:15
  enough conspiracy theorizing, then people no longer know what to believe. And that's
• 1:18:24
  exactly what's going on. That's what that's been their plan since the very beginning,
• 1:18:29
  is to turn to weaponize these conspiracy theories and these outrageous claims against the
• 1:18:35
  people that think that they actually know what's going on when they really out there
• 1:18:45
  the great groups. Yeah, it's going to get worse because soon they're going
• 1:18:47
  to make up a bunch of new rules, and anyone who doesn't adhere to
• 1:18:50
  those new rules gets victimized by this nonsense we just created. And you know
• 1:18:57
  domestic terrorism as an example, and the people who are still being chased down
• 1:19:01
  over January sixth, more or less because of this nonsense and this problem that
• 1:19:06
  we've created by creating it. And nobody wants to admit that because you're complicit
• 1:19:12
  in it, first of all, and secondly, you know, it's not
• 1:19:15
  the big sexy story, and the big sexy story is a lot more fun
• 1:19:21
  than the grim freaking reality, right, So would you say it's a mixture
• 1:19:26
  of fabricated stories and MK culture or are they all just fabricating or is there
• 1:19:30
  somebody that has started this that has skyrocketed some kind of fame or look at
• 1:19:36
  me motivational feel that everyone else wants to be part of. I mean,
• 1:19:40
  it had to have started. I know it's been going on for years.
• 1:19:43
  I know that, you know, with other people, but within this past
• 1:19:46
  maybe twenty twenty, maybe twenty nineteen, there's been a lot more, way
• 1:19:50
  more, and I feel like it's been spun to the point where it's just
• 1:19:55
  roping in everyone for every if you don't believe in you know, if you
• 1:19:58
  believe in aliens at all, come on, join us. We got you.
• 1:20:01
  You know, That's kind of how it all is. The joy gave
• 1:20:04
  everyone a lot of extra time and a lot of time to dig down in
• 1:20:08
  those rabbit holes. That's again why it was set up that way previous to
• 1:20:12
  that particular date, was so that come that time, you know, when
• 1:20:15
  they everyone started to look into it and just think about the snowball effect of
• 1:20:18
  Oh, here's a person talking about it. Oh algorithm from YouTube kicks in.
• 1:20:21
  Oh, here's a person talking about how it was released from space if
• 1:20:26
  by some type of space satellite. Oh, it comes from the ice melting
• 1:20:30
  because a climate change. No, it's not that, it's you know what
• 1:20:32
  I mean. And it just keeps spiraling until they end up in one of
• 1:20:36
  those rabbit holes, and the Secret Space Program is one of them. Right.
• 1:20:41
  And then because of the access to technology and the fact that everyone's making
• 1:20:45
  shit up anyways, you might as well just come and make up your own
• 1:20:47
  stuff because it's going to get you some attention, and you're isolated and it's
• 1:20:50
  you know, boom, and then you know, there's this other thing that
• 1:20:55
  I think has been going on for a while. It's my kind of like
• 1:20:59
  excuse for David Wilcock. I think that people get into this thinking that it's
• 1:21:02
  real and then quickly figure out that it's not. But then once they figure
• 1:21:05
  out that it's not, they're like, well, if everyone else is doing
• 1:21:09
  it, I might as well too, right, And just you're in too
• 1:21:14
  deep exactly. I can't see. I don't have that mentality at all,
• 1:21:17
  and I can't see how anyone else would. Honestly, it just baffles me
• 1:21:21
  that people want to grasp onto this so fast. And I've had I've had
• 1:21:26
  plenty of people tell me just like this private phone calls, they know it's
• 1:21:29
  fake. People are people who get mad at me from bringing them up all
• 1:21:33
  the time, but they have told me personally they know it's full, but
• 1:21:38
  they're just doing it. Some of them have been on your shows, you
• 1:21:43
  know. And it's funny because it's the reverse engineer argument of we're doing it
• 1:21:46
  to wake people up to all these other problems that you're fucking distracting everyone from.
• 1:21:53
  It's hilarious. No truer words have been spoken. I think it's more
• 1:22:02
  now people just constantly feeding each other information that that just turns into a burrito,
• 1:22:09
  like you say, and now everyone's just eating it up as if it's
• 1:22:12
  you know, it's delicious, and that's the only thing that should be finished.
• 1:22:16
  That's been that way for a long time now, and it's going to
• 1:22:18
  be perpetuated. Like we could talk. I've said this to writers since the
• 1:22:21
  beginning. We can talk about this, we can lay it all out,
• 1:22:25
  we can be one hundred percent right. It's never going to stop it.
• 1:22:28
  Corey Good is always going to have an audience of dumbasses who follow him.
• 1:22:31
  You know, they all will in their own way because people want to believe,
• 1:22:36
  and a lot of people are not very well informed about the world,
• 1:22:41
  and anything is easy to make into a conspiracy theory if you don't know things
• 1:22:46
  right. And yeah, it's seeing someone that you can relate to speak about
• 1:22:53
  something that you suspend your disbelief to get on board with is pretty powerful,
• 1:23:00
  right. Yeah, people entertained themselves in a lot weirder ways. Something I
• 1:23:06
  was told I forgot to mention before when I was talking to Penny for the
• 1:23:11
  first time and Iliana, there was a lot of confusion with me because obviously
• 1:23:15
  DD they even I hate the DoD even more now after listening to some writers
• 1:23:20
  videos at what they've been part of. But basically immediately they're like, there's
• 1:23:26
  a lot of nonsense going around. There's a lot of grifters, which is
• 1:23:30
  funny coming from everybody or coming from certain point, there's a lot of grifters.
• 1:23:32
  There's a lot of fake there's a lot of look at mes coming into
• 1:23:35
  this group right now just to spread this information and all that. I was
• 1:23:40
  told that. So basically they said because of me coming in. This was
• 1:23:44
  twenty nineteen when they said because of me coming into this. Now it's very
• 1:23:48
  contoluded of there's a whole bunch of people coming in. Now, there's a
• 1:23:51
  whole bunch of look at me generation and movements going on, and everyone's joining
• 1:23:56
  in. So they were apologizing to me that they didn't constantly leave me because
• 1:24:00
  they said there's so much bull being thrown around that they can't just believe everyone
• 1:24:04
  off the bat, whatever however you want to believe that. But it's and
• 1:24:10
  insane at this point, how they just constantly either regurgitate the information or just
• 1:24:15
  keep feeding you other people's informations to feed yours. I guess, well,
• 1:24:20
  which is they were saying there is true, because there is that going on.
• 1:24:24
  I mean, we just saw that with the Miami alien Miami male alien
• 1:24:29
  incident right where it was just a bunch of people for no reason heard something
• 1:24:32
  on Twitter and went on and sort of making fake videos saying that they were
• 1:24:35
  somewhere where they weren't and saw something that they didn't because on the plane right,
• 1:24:41
  the lady on the plane right, like that's yeah, that's a whole
• 1:24:45
  other thing that but yeah, that exists, TikTok, you know, it
• 1:24:48
  exists. Social media exists, and so this is going to get worse before
• 1:24:54
  it ever gets better unless the people who are making it worse just stop making
• 1:24:59
  it worse. Yes, you know, you all have a choice, you
• 1:25:01
  can stop. But yeah, we all see what happens when I offer that
• 1:25:08
  choice to people. They they double down. The next day, they tie
• 1:25:11
  their hair up, they put a suit on, and they reinvent themselves even
• 1:25:14
  better version of the same bullshit artists. So the nicest person I met was
• 1:25:18
  Tony. Like I had stated, he had told me to watch out for
• 1:25:21
  seeds being planted almost immediately. That was his first thing he told me when
• 1:25:26
  I told him about SSP related in my dreams. Then he had sent me
• 1:25:30
  his SRI program he has with Jackie Kenner, and it's forty dollars and it's
• 1:25:36
  like a Hemi Sink meditation that he told me to try. Almost immediately when
• 1:25:42
  I tried this, I started seeing crap. I started having visuals in my
• 1:25:45
  dreams again. I started had like I described to Tim, that I was
• 1:25:50
  floating in space in front of a massive blue ball. That was the first
• 1:25:55
  vision. I haven't had dreams since twenty twelve, mind you, I started
• 1:25:58
  using this Hemi Sink stuff. Now I have dreams that I'm floating in space
• 1:26:01
  seeing you know, god, particles floating in front of me. Whatever,
• 1:26:05
  it was, right, and it's I told him, He's like, hmm,
• 1:26:10
  interesting, never nothing more than that. But I just I feel like
• 1:26:14
  that might be part of it. I feel like some of these frequencies,
• 1:26:15
  and obviously from SRI is constant programming in a way or triggering or bringing up
• 1:26:24
  certain kind of patterns or memories that might trigger some of these visions. And
• 1:26:29
  there's the placebo effect. But it's funny because they're like the low estimate on
• 1:26:38
  the placebo effect is seventy percent effectiveness. That's more effective than anything else we
• 1:26:43
  know of. So well, I mean, I feel like they're all kind
• 1:26:47
  of running the same type of weird programming stuff, like they'll send you Midnight
• 1:26:57
  City by m A three. You know, they'll do all of these.
• 1:27:01
  Was the first studio that sent me was Midnight City at MADY three. And
• 1:27:05
  they're learning from each other, right, So of course it's got a match
• 1:27:10
  because if it doesn't, then they're going to get accused of doing astral stuff.
• 1:27:14
  And yeah, and actual projection is very real. I think that might
• 1:27:18
  be the only real thing that happened to me that night. It is the
• 1:27:21
  astral I don't know about the dream and all that other stuff, but I
• 1:27:25
  think I might have actually somehow floated at some point and saw myself. I
• 1:27:30
  think that might be the only thing I can take out of this and actually
• 1:27:32
  leave as like possible out of body experience. But yeah, I don't know.
• 1:27:41
  You know your story. I've heard many, many, many times.
• 1:27:44
  Thank you for actually being willing to tell it publicly, because most people don't.
• 1:27:47
  They kind of get on the other end of it and be like,
• 1:27:49
  yeah, like they had me fully convinced that I was going to get on
• 1:27:53
  the mothership with them, you know that kind of thing. But yeah,
• 1:27:57
  like I said, Love as One is still operating. Simon Park still has
• 1:28:01
  people who believe in him. I mean, this isn't going to go away.
• 1:28:08
  But the more people can be honest with themselves and others about it and
• 1:28:11
  help their friends out of that rabbit hole when they fall down it the better.
• 1:28:15
  And then people who are new to this and like you know, have
• 1:28:17
  had a similar experience, just be there to help your friends when they start
• 1:28:23
  going in that direction, to be like, maybe you don't want to go
• 1:28:25
  down that way, right, maybe don't go through that door. And if
• 1:28:29
  they do offer them a hand to get back out of it, because we've
• 1:28:32
  all been there in our own different ways and different aspects of life, and
• 1:28:38
  this one is a little bit by design, and you know that deserves some
• 1:28:42
  respect. I agree absolutely, and thank you both very much. Really appreciate
• 1:28:49
  your time this evening. It was a wonderful conversation and I hope people learn
• 1:28:55
  something from listening to us and discuss this kind of topic. Jesse, can
• 1:29:00
  you let people if you want to give any information that you would like to
• 1:29:08
  share anything, I'm me on Facebook. That's fine, I'll add you back.
• 1:29:13
  Aside from that, I have a YouTube channel that has a couple of
• 1:29:15
  videos I put out just mainly so I don't have to keep repeating them by
• 1:29:18
  typing them. I just figured out put them in video format, and it
• 1:29:25
  actually would rather people reach in instead of reaching out, because I feel like
• 1:29:29
  reaching out has led a lot more people ashrey then taking a step back and
• 1:29:34
  spending a lot of time with themselves and figuring out who they are and what
• 1:29:39
  they actually experienced properly, and if they constantly start reaching out like everyone's been
• 1:29:44
  doing, they might fall for the same game. Absolutely, Thank you so
• 1:29:49
  much, Jesse, appreciate your time. Shane. Let people know where they
• 1:29:53
  can find you in my Friend. After the slash of the link tree,
• 1:29:58
  Shane underscore story you'll find it thing there. Awesome. Thank you guys so
• 1:30:01
  much. Really appreciate your time. That was a Wright Arrangers Channel member exclusive.
• 1:30:06
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  show by being a writer arranger Channel member really helps out the show and helps
• 1:30:15
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