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Indycar Milwaukee Mile 2026 | Push to Cash Betting Preview · Apex Insiders Podcast

• f1capper: Apex Insiders is back. We got the betting preview, push to cash, snap on Milwaukee Mile. Got Indy Bet here. Got Nate Rogers. Welcome back, guys. We got a double header Saturday and Sunday. a back to an oval. two more tracks, and then we're basically done with the season. It's crazy to think about. September is around the corner. So got a few more podcasts and then long break. Long break for indie. So How are we feeling going into the weekend? @Indy_bet: I'm ready to go. Back to back winners on my cards. So I think a couple weeks ago we talked about like, man, I feel like This time of year is like go time, leading up into football season, getting the bankroll. Always seem to do better. I I've never tr you know, I should track it to see how much better we do in this bat the fourth, whatever quarter you want to call it, or third of the season. but yeah, ready to go and yeah, got some interesting takes on this race. Curious to hear what you guys have say. iN8Rodgers: Yeah, same. Just kinda have continued to stack a little bit of profits on profits for a pretty good year. I went to this race last year and I'm I'm gonna do it again. I had a great time. I was overserved by myself I think, but probably do that again and and just enjoy two races with some friends. it's a pretty cool setup they have. It's it's connected to their state fair, so it's kinda like that, but just since it's in true like Wisconsin fashion it's like mostly bars. It seems so. @Indy_bet: I've been to this race too a long time ago. I was kind of underwhelmed by the track. I thought it felt like a local like not local dirt track, but like I don't know. But it was it was I thought it was it felt intimate, I guess. It was smaller. It was cool to see a race there. god iN8Rodgers: Yeah. @Indy_bet: man, I don't even remember when I went, but it was a long time ago. But yeah, cool little venue. You could see everything. Fun times. Lots of w Wisconsin, lots of beer, lots of lots of cheese curds. iN8Rodgers: Yeah. I think you know, I've only been once, but I I I feel like they must have upgraded the facilities 'cause I was I was ready to kinda be underwhelmed by that, especially if with my the main place I go is IMS, which is just so like pristine and perfect. But I Compared to like gateway seemed like pretty pretty old and a little rough to me and kinda bare and I they must have upgraded Milwaukee at some point because everything seemed pretty nice. and it it's cool that you can s just see the whole track. If you know, if you're up twenty, thirty rows you can see the whole lap, you don't miss anything, so kind of a cool perspective, especially comparing it to like going to the five hundred where it's it's just way too massive to be able to see a whole lap or any even close to it. @Indy_bet: I found it two thousand fifteen. That's when I went. f1capper: Two thousand fifteen. Yeah. iN8Rodgers: Sweet, yeah. @Indy_bet: Just looking at my phone. f1capper: Yeah. That is definitely definitely a tract that's on my list. you know, this I kind of feel like I've I've been to Wisconsin many times. Wife's from there, so and I keep saying, like, why why aren't we going to this? And it's the summertime too. So like you said, beer, cheese curds, and just I always have a great time with the Wisconsin Wisconsinites, I will say, out there. They're just they're just the nicest individuals you'll @Indy_bet: Good people. iN8Rodgers: Super nice people. Absolutely. f1capper: ever ever meet and it it's not a flashy kind of place and people if you're listening if you've never been it's very just like blue collar but very nice like people are just super super nice and I always always have a great time when I go out there. so yeah I I next year maybe we'll see. I keep saying summertime I want to go out there and visit family and whatnot and hang out and watch the race. So but I keep saying that for Rodat Road America too. So I gotta pick which one. Which one? but yeah, the race, doubleheader. I know we had an interesting topic about that in the Discord around our approach when it comes to, you know, how you look at, you know, race one and two, and are you taking the same bets? Like are you j what's your what's your thought on that? So I thought maybe that's a good way we could start is Talk about that strategy because that is a great question. everyone maybe have something different. So but yeah, let's what's what's your strategy going in to the weekend? Do you got two races and whatever the books are posting? iN8Rodgers: Yeah, I for me I just have to try to tell myself, even though like, you know, I've just watched race one, you know, how many ever twelve hours before that like this is gonna be a completely different race. You know, the winner rarely repeats, the podium people rarely repeat. And so it's not that you just need to pick completely opposite people, you know, you wanna have your two or three targets I think for the whole weekend of people that you can stand behind, but just b I guess what I'm getting to is I I I feel like in the past I've overreacted of what I've seen on s on Saturday to apply to my bets on Sunday. And it it's also you can you can lose that potential for early qualifying value since you know Sunday's lines aren't normally posted until Saturday night, Sunday morning. So it's a little harder to get that value and you really just have to nail the the fewer amount of bets that you can get. f1capper: Yeah, I c I agree with that. And I mean, I think this is it's a there is also a little nuance to it. one, you know, race two, most of the time books are not gonna be posting odds for that. So you you're gonna only act get to base off of what is being posted on race one. And to your point, there's gonna be books that are juicing, for example, Rasmussen. He's like six to one now, right? Like that's ridiculous. Well we he hasn't even won an oval track yet. So or Maybe it's one one in the past, but like I can't remember. But looking at those types of guys, you you want you don't want to take them. You don't wanna they're gonna that's just chalk. So you wanna find a value. especially ones that have strength at ovals. You know, we talked about Scott McLaughlin. I mean, he's usually pretty pretty damn good on ovals. And you can find some value out of that. So and then I I look at it also some of the guys like in the back that you know, long shot odds. Your opportunity to take those guys that are not gonna shine like the Penskeys or the Chipkinassies, this is your time to take now and take your shot now because if they do well, they're g their odds are gonna be cut in half by the time you get to race two. And then that's when you're gonna wanna fade them at that point. So that's where you gotta like zig and zag with it. So it's being tactical @Indy_bet: Yeah, I g I f1capper: in that way. @Indy_bet: I have a little I read the I didn't get a chance to respond to the Discord, but I read it. I think I come at it a little bit differently than the rest of you guys. I I agree with what you just said. If you if you want to take long shots or you think you have some idea of some getting some better numbers, you want to attack that in race one with some smaller units. that's definitely the way to go. Because f1capper: Yeah, yep, for sure. @Indy_bet: if you're right and they do show speed, you're gonna get your odds cut in half in race two, and then it becomes not worth it to have that, you know, 30, 40, 25 plus to one numbers. But I honestly always take an approach like if I If I'm gonna look at two races as one, you know, do you want to look at them as two separate bankrolls that you made for a race, like as one or two? I kind of if it was gonna be two bankrolls, I would go 125% of it for save it for race two and 75% of it for race one. And I feel like look, the books don't watch the races, the books are just moving the market. I'm gonna take advantage of that. So like my eyes and my ears can tell me things that I can from From race one. I used to love getting matchups like at the back of the field. Guys that I knew that could at least stay in the lead lap, keep pace. it's a little bit harder depending on your book now to get that, but like I think you're I I I like betting more. I don't know, I like the information, I like the data, I like understanding f1capper: Yeah. @Indy_bet: it. I don't think it's lost that you have to take into account. Like, drivers are gonna be a little bit more aggressive in race two than race one. So in race one, I think people are gonna be careful not to screw up, you know, not to break their car. They don't want their guys working on it all. night they may not even have a backup car or backup engine at this point, especially if you're Chevy. so I am gonna bet more probably in race two than race one. I'm not that's not an absolute like but if I but I will use the information to try to gain an edge on the sports book who I know is not you know they're not paying attention to the race they're just copying f1capper: Yeah, and absol d that's absolutely you gotta still that's that's kind of the idea is you gotta adapt after what you see in race one because you you might see some things to your point, Nate. There it might be an overreaction, but what's the cause of that overreaction? I mean, maybe it was something that happened in the race that maybe won't happen in the second race, could be an accident, something like that. You gotta just assess it as you go. But then the consistency part, right? Like it's no different than how you you're handicapping anything else. And f like from an F1 perspective. There's always like s five sessions. Sprint weekend is a good a a great example of it. a lot of people like Mbooks, they'll see what happens in the sprint race, and then they react to the sprint race. That is technically a race, it's just, you know, one fourth. And then when they actually put race odds, they're actually changing them based off what happened in that sprint race, but that's where you gotta think about the overreaction. And then there's an opportunity. on the other side, right? Like maybe that guy wrecked, had a problem, an issue, and then all of a sudden you get like a power at, you know, even longer odds and you're ready to attack in race one. That's just like an example of it. So @Indy_bet: Yeah, you just gotta be smart, but like I do save money for that second race purp purposely. iN8Rodgers: Yeah. And that f1capper: Yeah. iN8Rodgers: Something that happened in it wasn't a doubleheader last year, but in the first year they came back in twenty twenty four it was. I think so part of the reason this happened is because of the lack of information the teams had. But the tire allotment is for the whole weekend. And so like I mean, you could technically use all of your tires in race one if you wanted to, but you just can't show for race two. But in in race two it got a little more chaotic at the end back in twenty twenty four and teams were pitting late like they would normally in any oval race to try to get fresh tires and the driver was pulling up and they were like we actually don't have fresh tires for you because that's they just had to r r run out. And that so that probably won't be quite an issue, but it could be if the races get chaotic and there's opportunities presented where, you know, in race one where if there's a couple late cautions and people want to keep diving in for fresh tires, i it it's hard to keep track of that. We can we could see if we can, but that would be maybe an opportunity to see maybe who overused their tires or something. f1capper: I so wish, man. I was gonna say that right there. I mean, tires are critical. no matter what. And any motorsport is so critical. And it's unfortunate that we can't track that as well. It's like I think you gotta just do it manually with your eyes and just hope and pray that you got it right. which is unfortunate, but that is the key. I mean, that is something you could still pay attention to. I think you know, again, I think we should all try to pay attention to how many times someone pit. Like, let's try to get an idea on the Obviously, let's focus on the guys that matter, not like the Mick Schumachers and whoever else, but like the guys up front. and because that's another thing. I I you know, you talked about like as we get through the season, we start getting like we've have all this data, we have bet, we've done all these things, this analysis, and now we have a generalized good idea, and that's where I start to get more comfortable with who am I backing. And there's some situations where I'm gonna be like, Okay, I think you're gonna go into gulag for a little bit. aka Melucas. that's we we know who the guys are gonna be that are gonna be the front runners. I know this is an oval track, but but for instance for the road course, like no we didn't shy away from Kirkwood. We didn't shy away from like an Erickson. We didn't shy away from a Pelow, even though Pillow had his incidents and stuff like that. But those are those three guys seem to be very consistent, right? And that's who you're gonna try to stick to this weekend. And then there's gonna be guys that are erratic, which probably we should just dive right into it. Actually let's go right into your your race preview, Nate. iN8Rodgers: Yeah, there's really not much because like I said, there's kind of a short history since they've returned here in twenty twenty four. And I also just don't think qualifying is as important as, you know, road courses or even street courses. I think the reason you see people up front win oval races is because they have really good cars and they're fast cars, not necessarily because they had track position. at at certain times of the race, like any race in current indie car form, if you're in Dirty air, it will be difficult to pass. So you will see some lulls throughout the race where people are kind of struggling, but like we said, tires are are key. I I can't remember a gateway a hundred percent if Newgarden put on fresh tires at the end and won that, but I know he did at Phoenix and I know that Rasmussen did here last year at Milwaukee when he won. And f1capper: That's right. He did win here last year. I just couldn't remember that. Yeah. Yeah. iN8Rodgers: Yeah, yeah, it was a pretty crazy last stint for @Indy_bet: Yep. He did it because he he went in. iN8Rodgers: him. @Indy_bet: Yeah, he went it was Pelows dominating the race. Pelow did a late caution 'cause power hit the wall. Rasmussen was the only f1capper: That's right. That's right. @Indy_bet: one to go in and put the tires on and he went from like eighth to first in fifteen laps. Very, very very luck. Like he he did some crazy crap that he probably didn't have to do. f1capper: Yeah, and that's why I blocked it out of my mind probably was because I was like that way Okay. For you @Indy_bet: Yep. And he won the race. Yeah. iN8Rodgers: It was awesome. Yeah. @Indy_bet: Yeah, that was raised too. iN8Rodgers: But yes, just as far as the track it's it's just a hair over a mile long. two hundred fifty laps, that's probably gonna be four stops. I am wondering people did try to do a three stop last year and the tires could not hold for that, but I know they have made the tires a little more durable this year because of the concerns of the tire failures last year. And so I there might be someone that tries a three stop but otherwise you're gonna have a four stop. the corners are pretty flat here, only nine degrees of banking. Some people said it's almost closer to like a road course turn. and the and going low that first lane is actually not the preferred lane. There's a little bit of new pavement there that actually stays kind of dirty, and the preferred lane is that second lane right above that pavement groove. which is it's kind of interesting, but that leaves open people trying to go even higher in lane three on restarts and starts, or when people are gonna do passes, they they're gonna have to go low in that first lane. And so it's unique to any other oval where lane one going low is actually not the preferred line but it does leave it open for people to you know pick their pick their poison of where they're gonna go. But yeah, I mean we've had we've had I think Penskey is pretty good here, like they are in oval other ovals, but with the short history, you know, we haven't seen like Newgarden be super dominant here just yet. he had a splash kind of in one restart last year where he looked good, but otherwise was pretty quiet. Scott McLaughlin's been your best average qualifier and your best average finish with one win. And yeah, I I do think ECR is pretty strong here. This is probably their strongest track. Rossi is the only driver, only other driver. than McLaughlin who has three finishes in the top ten and then obviously Rasmussen won last year with his impressive performance. But but yeah I'm not putting a lot of stake in qualifying for this. Obviously you just don't want to the only thing would be you don't want to bet someone too early who's gonna qualify poorly. That would be the only you want you want value now. But otherwise if you don't know how someone's gonna qualify you might as well just wait and and see if they look good and then go ahead and take that bet. f1capper: Yeah, I think one thing that's gonna be interesting, I wanna go back and see is temperatures. How the temperatures were different last year versus how they're gonna be this weekend. 'Cause I think if it's obviously which which temp was warmer than was it last year or w and is it gonna be hotter this year? Because that's gonna play an effect with the pit stops too. looks like you'll you'll be burning through your tires faster. but yeah, I I don't know if I can get behind ECR though. I'm sorry. I just I just can't see it. Maybe this is their track, but they have been poor this year. Very, very poor. I I don't know. I don't know if I could do it. iN8Rodgers: Yeah, as far as like a car reliability, I mean they are by far by far the worst, and so I understand not wanting to go there. as far as Rasmussen, I I haven't taken him yet on like an outright or anything, especially since he qualifies poorly more often than not. But I you kinda I kinda have to like block out of my mind like him hitting the wall on street courses and things like and even his larger f1capper: Yeah. iN8Rodgers: on the big ovals like the five hundred in Nashville, he he's not quite as good as those. So if you just drill down to these short ovals and you look at his prior history. they're pretty much all top ten, several podiums, and his only wreck was really at Phoenix when he was just got a little too impatient. you could also blame that wreck on power, but he should have won that race. And so I don't think you have to necessarily be scared of Rasmussen, but I I understand the people that don't want to go there. f1capper: I said if I can get a good number on him on like a top ten, top five on Cal she, I'll definitely be on it, but I'm not chalking to it. I'm not gonna even take it at fair value. It's gotta be like a hoping that he has a poor qualifying more than anything, like you said. I've not I'm not gonna get cute with him at all going this weekend. even I know there was a matchup there Where it's like, oof, I don't know. I don't know if I could do that. So which we could talk about if you want to just go right into that one. iN8Rodgers: Yeah that I I only put like half a union, so I'm not, you know, putting my my weekend on this, but I've just not been impressed with McLaren's oval cards this year is mostly I it's more of a fade of a ward. I watched I sat there in this the the turn three, turn four at IMS watching all these restarts go and he would just get blitzed every time. And I f1capper: Mm-hmm. iN8Rodgers: do think he he does have the talent to be back up. I literally in that final restart at the five hundred and these other races, he he's There, but he's not able to make those final moves that get him anything higher than like fifth. I think that's almost like his best case. But then we see like Gateway where he finished I don't even know if he finished top ten, and they looked even worse. and then Nashville wasn't much better. So I just think if Rasmussen gets that chance to kind of go wild like he did at Phoenix or like he's shown the last two years here at Milwaukee, yeah, why not let's let's fade Pado and and I think Rasmussen can do it. Thank you. f1capper: yeah, and this is for anyone listening, the Draft is DraftKings? I think so. iN8Rodgers: Yeah. f1capper: Yep, DraftKings has some driver props. I'm looking at Yeah, it well, I don't know what number you got it at, but but it's at okay, iN8Rodgers: minus one five. f1capper: so it's still minus one five, cra Rasmussen to Pato, Pato's minus one twenty-five. some of the others though I liked was the Scott McLaughlin over Will Power. I think you said it, you know, pretty pretty good here, pretty good on ovals, short ovals, and I think you're getting a favorable price and I mean power, it's not hard to want to fade him sometimes, you know, it's just power himself and then yeah, Andretti, like you're you're gonna put Penske over an Andretti, on a short oval. Yeah, I'll I'll take that, even though I know there's the risk, Penskey, all that's all that stuff, but y you still there's still a team that that is gonna be a tough no matter what on an oval. Road courses, I get it. But Oval, they're always gonna try to challenge, even if something happens, even if they do crappy on their strategy, I think it's it's a good number. So I like that. I like that one that you took. I tailed that one. And then Marcus Ericsson over Felix, even though that was tough, man, because Marcus Erickson actually has just been a guy that's been Doing really well this year in my eyes. Like he's he's really turned it around from last two seasons, even and he's just he's been driving the hell of a car right now. And and it it sounds like Will Power has influenced that in how they should be setting up the car because it seems like all all three Will Power, Marcus Erickson, and you're gonna you're seeing Kirkwood last week, they're like in the top five, right? And it seems like they they seem to have a better and more comfort with the car, especially as the season has gone. Felix has looked he's in the gulag a little bit with me, you know, especially after last week. He's back to what happened? He @Indy_bet: Nah, that wasn't his fault though. Like, that's not on him. He had a he drove a great race last week. He got dive bombed. Like, not his like same thing. Like him and McLaughlin. That was well, McLaughlin was his own stupid fault. Sorry. Did two different stories. But man, on that one, Eileen Felix. You got the Penske Alliance, whatever f1capper: yeah. @Indy_bet: it is. So Felix has been great on the old roles. f1capper: I get it. I get it. But I mean, you know, we're iN8Rodgers: I think Felix actually slipped off of there was a banner that fell off from McLaughlin's wreck on the tires and Felix's tires actually come around the corner. I slipped on that and spun him out. so yeah. But I I do feel like Felix has disappointed, I think, in the last month maybe since Red America, yeah. But that one wasn't his fault. Yeah. f1capper: Like four yeah, four races, fo for four or five. Yeah. I'll give him that. I'll give you guys that. But even before that, I was kind of hesitant about him last week. But it was like, maybe this is gonna be the week. He comes back, like everything like MSR Armstrong looked really good in that MSR, right? And you would expect Felix too, right? And yeah, unfortunate situation. but yeah, if I'm gonna Marcus Erickson really caught my eye on this matchup, also because I've seen he's been doing really he's done well on ovals this year. Like that I we didn't expect that from years past. He's been doing it this year. I'll take it at minus one ten over minus one twenty. @Indy_bet: Yeah, I'm going the other I'd go the other way. I I f1capper: I don't know if iN8Rodgers: Yeah, and just to note that there was a test @Indy_bet: w actually I wouldn't touch it, but minus one twenty. But if it was minus one ten iN8Rodgers: Yeah. @Indy_bet: each way, gimme Felix. I mean look, I I don't f1capper: I mean I it's n I it's a it's a tough one. I I went back and forth, but my I'm my gut is where I'm gonna stick with with my first initial reaction was ooh, I do kinda like it on the Erickson side just because of what I've seen with him on the ovals. It's been pretty impressive. iN8Rodgers: Yeah, I mean he was one of the best looking cars at Gateway. There was a test here about a month ago which McLaughlin ended up taking the best time late in the day, but I guess Erickson was the the kind of the car of the day for that. kinda interestingly with McLaughlin taking the top time, Newgarden was like twenty fifth and Melucas was like twenty third. So the team should have the pace, you know, if McLaughlin's up there, so it's kind of curious to understand why the rest of the Penske team is back there. You know, you never know what they're doing during testing, but f1capper: Maybe maybe they were testing race pace. It could have been, you know, like iN8Rodgers: Sure. f1capper: higher fuel loads, like let's run it long, let's see how how we can go. by wait, I I wanna hear so you you would take Felix, huh? @Indy_bet: Yeah, give me Felix on that. I don't even it's not even question for me. I I don't trust Ericsson on anything but Rotor Street. I'm not touching him on an oval. I w I mean I look I granted like I won I f1capper: Feel like I'm listening to myself from last year. @Indy_bet: I finally bet Ericsson and and won money on him, which was great. but I don't I'm I don't know. I just have too much too much negative vibe there. f1capper: I listen, I was I was on that same boat with you. I don't know what happened to me. I've maybe blacked out and all of a sudden I'm like, I like Ericsson all of a sudden. Like it's just it was like an overnight thing. I was just like, Okay, I'm done fighting it this year and you know, he's he's done he's done pretty well. He's he's I mean and @Indy_bet: Yeah. So I I'm for my card right now, I'm with Nate. I I ovals are a whole different story. I'm not concerned about finding value before qualifying. In fact I would be happy if Pillow or n or Joseph qualified seven through ten or something like that, like five through fifteen, something in the back, middle middle-ish top top third of the field. And then their numbers got maybe into the four or five or six to one range, and then I start to consider that. I had no problem putting if I'm it I I put very small, like quarter units. I don't have any problem betting the nine to one, ten to one guys. So that was a ward at nine. I saw Rasmussen at nine. nine that was high enough for me since seeing I saw him on six to one on other books and then McLaughlin at ten. Even though I'm pissed McLachlan, like last week could have been such a huge last week could have been massive if it just would have ended Kirkwood McLaughlin. So I I took little tiny bites at nine to one and ten to one of a ward, Rasmussen McLaughlin. I I don't disagree with anything Nate said about a ward. I think is their McLaren there is some Something really wrong with their road and street package, like Pato's car, like whatever it is with the rear brakes, like you could tell it was just he they they didn't even like talk about it on the broadcast. He was just missing the turn half the time and having to spin around and you'd like they'd have another car and you'd see his little McLaren like in the runoff. I don't know if anybody else if you caught that, but and you probably did. iN8Rodgers: Yeah. He had to pit eight times and Rasmussen pitted twelve times in that race, which I've never seen before. @Indy_bet: Yeah, it was ridic like so th something is jacked up but but the Oval Car, yeah, I get it, it's not great on restarts, but he does have really good history here. he is a strong car here. I'll throw a tiny little bit of money on him at nine to one. I just want a little s the the best bet I like to bet is the ten to one the McLaughlin, but nine to one raspberry nine to one potto, fine. Just to put a little bit out there. But most of the cart, you know, watch practice. We'll we'll get a real idea of what these guys are doing in practice. f1capper: Yeah. @Indy_bet: And then like qualifying doesn't matter as much. We can wait and see what comes out and then and then look, maybe maybe Sunday brings me brings us some I'll I'll put some bolts in the chamber, save for Sunday. It doesn't mean I might I might bet I might just go really light if nothing. pops up but something crazy happens, like we've seen Iowa where Joseph crashed out of nowhere and we just all knew like br like he's winning the next race. f1capper: that's a that was such a n that was an anomaly, man. Like that shouldn't happen. @Indy_bet: But yeah. f1capper: You know, like I block I really blocked that one out of my mind for sure. Like that I just th the way it happened, @Indy_bet: I mean look, you could argue Joseph Joseph had f1capper: the way it happened. Yeah. @Indy_bet: Yeah, in twenty twenty four Joseph dominated, had the best car, got in a wreck, and then went to the backup car and finished like seventh, I think it was or something in twenty twenty-four. In twenty twenty five, he didn't have much it was the Pelow show really. Pelow had the best car, so we haven't even mentioned Pelow. Like we've we see Pelow at three to one and that's like, whoa f1capper: I'm actually wanting to take him a to a top three, but I'm like, maybe I could just wait. Maybe like it's good iN8Rodgers: I went there. f1capper: you went to below top three? iN8Rodgers: Yeah, I've got a plus one twenty, which now I I need to understand whether it's for @Indy_bet: Where do you find that? iN8Rodgers: the first race or the second race, bec it was on bet three six five. f1capper: Mm iN8Rodgers: which I think is mo f because they pulled it and then they reposted it and now I think my bet is somehow now for Sunday's race, which is weird, but I need I need to find that out. But either race, I am content I think at that number with Pillow. I don't know if his number will get high enough for me to bet to win, but he looked really good last year. f1capper: Yeah. top three is is on my mind. I'm just looking at DraftKings right now and it's a minus one twenty five and I'll I'll keep shopping around, but honestly, you know, Evens, you know, I'll take it. So iN8Rodgers: Yeah, I mean yeah, how much worse I don't know how much worse it can get, so it might be worth waiting on. f1capper: I mean he would have to have such a disaster of a Saturday leading into that race to yeah, I I just don't see it. I s I don't if anything you might it might get to two to one if he's like seventh, eighth most of the weekend or not showing much, but I I can't even see that. He would have to have a disaster to for like a wreck to to be like going really, really long. So I'm taking it though. That's my eye is stick to what works even though it didn't work last week. But yeah. Yeah, that was definitely a back stealer for me last week was below top three, which sucks. iN8Rodgers: Yeah, I do think like One thing I we didn't mention like heading into Sunday, I'd be more prone to that those bigger teams like a Pillow or especially a Newgarden to give him one more race to figure this place out and then to show up on a Sunday. And then, you know, people kinda have sometimes these performances like from a daily or Rasmussen or these midfield cars come from when the other teeth the big teams don't have it fully dialed in yet. you know, like no one could touch Newgarden in Iowa because he just had it all figured out and so I think I don't know that I'm gonna take Newgarden on Saturday, but if he if I see some f some flashes I'll I'll probably jump on him Sunday. f1capper: Yeah. @Indy_bet: Like that. f1capper: let's see. What what else? @Indy_bet: No, like that. That's really all I got. I mean, wait and see. f1capper: exact Yeah, I don't know yeah, it's it's definitely I don't think there are other any other odds. I'm kinda like trying to think about the your outright picks and I'm like, man, do I really wanna take Scott McLaughlin this weekend? But here we are. God, I hate you. I want to do iN8Rodgers: I I did that's my only outright I have and yeah. f1capper: it. Like my mind I was like, This is the weekend, you know, maybe this is it. You know, this is @Indy_bet: I haven't seen the top three number, but at ten to one his top three should be two fifty plus two fifty. f1capper: Yeah, plus two sixty. @Indy_bet: yeah, there you go. So if I I would take that. I haven't seen that on any of the books I've looked at, but yeah, I mean three to one top three, yeah, that that would be a pre-race bet. f1capper: I'm gonna shop it. If I can find a three to one, I'm gonna do it. And if he doesn't if he doesn't get me that top three, he is banned for life. Life. no, this is I have a my my ban @Indy_bet: Banned for life. You know what'll happen is he'll get it on the race you don't bet it on. He'll get it on the race two. f1capper: list is growing, guys. This it's like I I took Erickson out and Felix is back in. Well, he's not fully banned, but you know, like there's some people in there. I'm like I who am I betting now? I don't even know. I'm just sticking to the same like three guys, it seems like, as the season's gone along. But no, I'm looking forward to it and catch us in the Discord. Obviously, we're gonna have live chat. I will try to see if I can do some data. I'll be around this weekend at home. I actually have my first fantasy football draft Saturday. So that should be fun. but yeah, get into Discord, live discussions, post odds, ask us any questions. It's there's always someone there. So All right, we'll see you this weekend. @Indy_bet: Good luck.