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Talks to Mark Rawlins about our choice of The TV Movie · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  None. A hamster with a blump pen knife
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  for doing. Quicker, quicker.
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  Quicker. I thought you were a podcaster.
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  I thought you're a podcaster. Look, I am calling an ambulance
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  to take you back to psychiatric from which you and Sarah Chu
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  have obviously escaped from. Listen, duck a ho.
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  Let's just sit down, have a coffee record, an audio
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  commentary. We'll talk about this
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  reasonably. Welcome back to a hamster with
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  a. Blood.
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  Penknife The Doctor Who Commentary Podcast Hello, how
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  are you doing today? Very well.
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  Now look, if I was to say to you that we are going to have a 90
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  minute discussion about the Doctor Who television movie, how
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  would that make you feel? Wonderful.
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  Well, why is that? Because it's my favorite.
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  Is it your favorite new story ever?
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  One of them? Why it's?
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  Just very It has a very special place in the history of Doctor
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  Who, doesn't it? It's that halfway point between
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  classic and new, and it at that time it was the only hint of a
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  new series of a new beginning. Which I was going to ask you, do
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  you think this informs a new series?
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  No. I I do not mark a little bit,
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  maybe not. The flashy visuals.
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  The romanticised Dr. It's very of its time now.
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  I know, but fuck me. There is nothing more 90s than
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  this TV movie. How it looks, how it's shot, the
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  action, the witty dialogue, the sort of style of the direction.
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  There ain't nothing in Doctor Who like this.
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  It's. Own unique entity, isn't it?
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  And it brought us Paul McGann as the 8th Doctor.
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  So we should all forever be grateful for that.
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  Are you quite queen on Paul McGann as the Doctor of?
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  Course. Is he your?
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  Favorite Doctor Who? Well.
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  Yeah, I think you say your favorite is your first.
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  Was he your first? He was my well, it depends what
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  you called him about first. Is it?
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  Ohh what's that alarm? Alarm.
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  Clock. Alarm.
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  Alarm clock. Ohh God what are we doing?
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  Power. Sorry about that.
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  I don't know. I just.
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  Said it. I don't.
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  Know when we're going to record, I suppose that.
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  Was to wake up from your nap, wasn't?
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  It anyway we'll talk about. Firsts here.
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  Oh, yeah. Sorry.
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  So, Well, there's several different versions of firsts,
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  isn't it? There's the 1st Doctor that you
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  ever watched. Yeah.
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  There is the first. Is this the 1st Doctor you had
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  Italians with? No, I mean and then there's is
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  this. The first doctor to slide into
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  your DMS. There's, I suppose.
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  It's the first Doctor. That was the Doctor whenever you
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  were born, in a way. That could be.
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  And also there is the first Doctor that was announced as the
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  Doctor when you were a fan, if you see what I mean.
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  So that's how Paul McGann is my doctor because obviously I knew
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  Doctors one to seven and that was all there was.
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  And then I remember Paul McGann being announced as the Doctor.
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  He was a brand new Doctor. So that's why he's my first.
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  How do how do you do your first? He was a 32 year old called Andy
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  and I was only 15 so. I was very dodgy actually, I.
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  Did have a date with a doctor once.
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  Did I have to tell you about that?
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  No. An actual date with a doctor.
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  Yeah. And I went halfway through the
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  dinner, right, with this swanky restaurant.
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  And halfway through dinner, he went across the table and he
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  went, Joe, I save lives, you know, I was like, oh, I'll put
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  bread on a shelf I consider my first.
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  It's tough. I consider my first Doctor be
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  Sylvester McCoy because that's the first one.
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  I saw. Well, the first one you saw and
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  he was the Doctor when? Not when you were born.
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  No. When I was born, I was born.
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  Between Oh yeah, Yeah, Soldi and Pango I was born.
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  But he was the sort of the current doctor, I suppose.
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  So I could have said that Sylvester McCoy was my doctor
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  because he would have been still the sort of current for me.
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  But no, Paul McGann was announced as a new Doctor.
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  He was my new beginning. Well, and the real reason I
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  consider Paul McGann to be my first new Doctor is not because
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  of the TV movie, although I will get into first watching that in
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  a minute. It's because those Big Finish
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  Paul McGann audios was and the BBC Paul McGann books or 8th
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  Doctor books. That was all of my because I
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  obviously I didn't see my Battlefield was my first.
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  I came in very late, so my new Doctor Who was all 8th Doctor
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  stuff. Yeah.
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  So really, my big introduction to fresh Doctor Who was those
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  novels and those audios. So Paul McGann was the
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  conception of Doctor Ho. He conceived you?
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  Right. Yeah, well, in a way it was the
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  sirens of time, but yeah. I absolutely love this.
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  When it came out, like when it aired, me and my friend Mark
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  Potter, we were quoting lines like the Asian child and things
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  like this, so quotable we're, I mean, we're going to be in
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  trouble. Watching this, you thought you
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  were in trouble with us doing Battlefield and AD renovation.
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  You got a lot of trouble ahead for this one.
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  Did you watch this when it was broadcast on BBC One?
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  On the Maybank holiday. I was part of that 9.1 million.
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  Where you put? Well, but did you get the video
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  beforehand? No, I was.
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  One of those people there at midnight.
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  And it was. Out I got.
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  I got it from Tesco. Like the weekend before it was
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  just out on video go. It was on video available
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  before. You didn't have to go to that
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  midnight thing that was like a week before because I don't
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  know, I had the video while it was.
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  On video before they aired it on the TV.
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  That is madness. And they still got 9 million
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  viewers, Yeah. I got it from Tesco.
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  Look, I'm going to say for anybody who is obsessed with
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  numbers in Doctor Who and who seem to think that numbers
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  equates quality, then on this account the TV movie is
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  6,000,000 more popular than The War Games episode 10.
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  It's also about 7,000,000 more important than Heaven Sent and
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  Hell Ben. Like.
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  In terms of numbers, it outclasses a lot of Doctor Who 9
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  million. It's somewhere in the top 50, I
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  think, in terms of ratings. Before we start, can I set the
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  scene of what was on BBC One on 27th of May 19?
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  86. I happen to have the Radio Times
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  I've kept. What from then?
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  Yeah, I could have signed by Paul McGann.
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  That is fabulous. Thank you.
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  Well, please very colored. This is too.
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  What for TV? Putting it in context.
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  So on BBC One that night, Yeah, well, 5:35, we had neighbours.
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  Oh my God, what was the synopsis of Neighbours?
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  Alf puts Collins mind at rest and Elises tutoring days are
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  over. Hannah reaps the rewards of
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  going her. Oh, Hannah Martin Alf is not
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  home and away I. Don't know.
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  I don't. Know Alf and.
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  Then at 6:00 was the Red Nose Awards.
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  Andy Peters hosts the special Live and Kicking and Comic
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  Relief awards show, which includes awards for the good and
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  bad in a variety of categories. Angus Deaton dolls out.
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  The booby prizes do. You realise Andy Peters is like
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  the only children just presented.
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  That hasn't been cancelled. Now we're waiting for it,
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  though. And then the.
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  The evening continues 7:00 That's Show Business Tonight, a
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  special edition to celebrate 100 years of cinema in Britain.
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  Stephen Tompkinson from Balicus Angel and actress Liz Fraser
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  take on Brian Glover, star of CARES, an Alien 3.
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  And comedian Lily Savage, hosted by Mike Smith.
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  Ryan Glover, Yes. And Lily Savage of I'll be a
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  ghost. Who needs ATV movie that night?
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  I know Jesus is. Star studying on BBC One this
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  night. At 7:30, yeah.
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  And then you're getting your, you know, your.
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  Dinner ready? Juices are flowered.
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  Go on. Watchdog Health Check, the
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  programme that monitors the state of the nation's health.
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  Puts products and treatments to the test and exposes bad
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  practice the. State of the nation's health?
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  They wouldn't do that nowadays. Jesus, it'd be flatlining.
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  Presented by Judith Han and Alice Beer with reporters
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  Jonathan Maitland, Denise Mahoney and Andy Webb.
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  What happened to all those? Celebrities, I don't know.
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  At 8:00, it's EastEnders. Oh God.
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  The Fowlers keep their secret. Fowlers.
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  My God, David goes sightseeing. Bianca cuts a new deal and Kathy
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  plans her return to work. And then the choice of the day.
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  8:30 Doctor Who. After an absence of seven years,
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  a doctor returns and a feature length adventure starring Paul
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  McGann in bold writing. On New Year's Eve 1999, a
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  British police box materializes in San Francisco's Chinatown.
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  I'll pass me a tissue. I've just come in my knickers.
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  So 830, what did ITV put on against?
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  It oh God, have a look. Oh, take your pick The game show
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  which challenges contestants to take money or open the box
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  presented by Desi O'Connor. Wow.
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  So I wonder how that did. Yeah, that's what happened when
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  Rusty Davis came back. Remember, they were putting
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  celebrity wrestling up against things back when they knew they
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  were on to a loser. So I mean, there wasn't that
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  much competition. And then on Channel 4, The
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  Greatest, the last in a series of which viewers have had the
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  chance to vote for Britain Sports Star of the Century.
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  What This ain't the bloody Radio Times podcast.
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  They've got their own podcast. And Channel 5 didn't exist then,
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  so we didn't have much competition in the UK when.
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  This went out. BBC Three didn't exist.
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  No, I player didn't exist. I mean, it was once and gone.
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  Or you bought a video the week before.
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  Oh yeah. Yeah, Jesus Christ, I bet you
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  wore out the tracking on your video.
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  The bit where Paul McGann on his show so.
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  I knew you were going to say let's start the.
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  Film and we can. Carry on the discussion Can't.
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  We OK. Well, what?
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  Thank you for giving us such insight.
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  Into the scene. I mean, I did watch it when it
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  went out as well, even though I had.
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  I didn't record some of those celebrities, but I was only 16
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  at the time. I was just coming up, coming out
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  and having sex and stuff. I I weren't watching a lot of
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  TV, so I don't know what the celebrities were really of the
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  time. OK, well, would you care to
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  count as him? Absolutely.
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  Into into a long time ago and my own plan.
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  Oh my God. Yeah, we get a lot of info
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  straight away, don't we? Right.
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  Get the Blu-ray ready. I'm ready.
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  Are you sure your screen's off? Paused.
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  OK, everybody get ready. Get your.
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  It's on iPlayer. Now, isn't it?
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  Get your own. Players Yeah, buy the Blu-ray,
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  because Blu-ray, the version on the iPlayer is not very good.
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  It's very it's quite a bit blurry.
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  Not like my nice sharp Blu-ray. OK, 321 go.
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  Here we go, We'll. Get this.
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  Narration by oh, what have you done?
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  What's happened? You pressed the wrong button.
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  Copyright violation. What have you pressed?
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  Sorry, false start, everyone. We're going to go.
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  We're going to do a temporal orbit and start again.
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  What have you pressed? Say.
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  Copyright violation, You press. Something Oh dude, Right, I'm
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  going to keep talking about the T.
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  Talking. Let's carry on.
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  We're not stopping. Did you ever hear who else went
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  for the role? Of the 8th Doctor.
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  Though, well, I mean. Peter Capaldi, I think went for
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  it. Yeah.
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  Whatever happened to him? I mean, it's a whole.
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  It's a whole saga, the. You know who Philip Siegel wants
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  it? Who?
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  Oh, my God. That fella from Game of Thrones.
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  Ian. Ian.
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  I can't remember his name now. Oh, it's all gone to part now.
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  The DVD hasn't played. Yeah, Cunningham, I don't know
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  who that is. It was in Cold War.
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  He wanted him, I know. Who that is?
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  No, but it's funny isn't it? All of those 90s rumours.
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  You know Steven Spielberg's got Doctor Who this Nicola.
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  Bride's playing Catherine Janeway and.
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  Then he's random. I don't know what's it.
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  Caroline Monroe was the all of those sort of 90s rumours, all
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  sort of culminating. And it's funny, actually,
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  because. It seemed to come out of
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  nowhere. I mean, we didn't really have
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  the Internet then, did we? Or or anything like that.
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  All we had was like sort of Gallifrey Guardian in Doctor Who
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  Magazine. But I remember when Paul McGann,
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  like it seemed to happen very quickly.
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  I thought the first I heard of it was the Radio Times.
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  There's a little picture of Paul McGann in the corner and it just
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  said the new Doctor Who, Paul McGann.
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  And then we'll be, we'll be filming in, you know, a few
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  months. And it seemed was your reaction
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  like that was like the January or February of 96 and then
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  suddenly May 96, the film's there.
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  I wasn't impressed to begin with because, I mean, there was this
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  like sort of Skinhead guy. He wasn't sort of your typical
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  idea of who the Doctor is. I mean, nowadays.
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  Go, go, try, press play. You ready for?
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  This OK, here we go. I'll, I'll carry on in a second
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  Do. You know, all I do remember is
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  DWM was so starved for new content.
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  Do you remember how every rumor would be in Gallifrey Guardian?
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  And then finally, they had something to talk about.
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  And then he was on the front of Doctor Who magazine with that
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  crystal. I think it was at the Longley
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  exhibition with his shape. And I'm looking through, I was
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  thinking, who is this guy? It it, it always takes a minute
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  or two just to sort of digest who this person is.
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  And then and then immediately he's the Doctor after that.
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  All this always happens with any new Doctor.
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  You just like what? And then you're like, OK here,
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  right? If we want, let's.
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  Go I hope we don't have copyright violations this time.
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  I'm going to press play in 54321.
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  Throughout the power. Please play.
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  For fuck's sake, please play oh. Here we go.
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  He's on the planet. Scarrow, everyone on.
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  The planet Scarrow. Very unusual beginning.
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  This was like the. CGI doesn't look great.
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  Turn it down a little bit, I don't.
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  Know everyone hearing no, no, I've no, I want it.
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  I want the sound on. It's a bit of a nympho dump
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  looking back now. And this bit of a nympho dump?
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  Are you fucking kidding me? At the time this.
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  Is like reading out the program. Guide as a 10 year old, you're
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  like, wow, this is amazing. All this stuff I can see sort of
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  as an adult. As a newer viewer, you might be
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  like OK. Like what is this actually
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  relevant? This is the one of two things I
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  did want to turn up the sound for.
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  So Are you ready? It's our favorite.
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  You ready here? We go, here's the music.
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  You can sing with me, right? I mean.
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  It's a wonderful. It's.
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  Always weird when it goes backwards.
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  I'm like, does it have to go backwards?
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  Because that really annoys me. There.
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  We go. I mean.
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  We've all heard this. Let's turn it down.
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  A little turn. It down until I get to the
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  piano. Very similar to the new series
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  Christopher Eckerson series with the the font and the time
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  tunnels. I'll tell you what, there's so
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  much to inform us a little bit there, isn't there?
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  Sylvester McCoy. Oh, my God.
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  OK, turn it down now, because I want to tell you right when I
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  was watching the documentary earlier.
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  What are you doing? I wasn't sound on this Aiden was
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  Sylvester McCoy, the BBC, the sort of woman who was in charge
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  of the BBC, and Joe Joe Wiley. No, not Joe Wiley.
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  She presents Radio One. Joe Castleton, Joe Somebody,
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  Yeah, she said that because Sylvester war era was so
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  unpopular, they thought what are they doing?
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  We don't want to associate this with Doctor Who is least
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  popular. It's a good.
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  Do you think it's a good thing that you said this or not
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  because? It denies us Paul McGann, but
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  it's great to see Sylvester McCoy back as a fan.
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  I think then it doesn't really service the plot for a new view.
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  Creatively, it is a stupid idea to start this thing with a
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  doctor that we're not seeing. And you see him in that sort of
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  distorted in the mirror to begin with.
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  You're like, what's happened to Sylvester.
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  No, but all. Of a sudden it's a bit crazy.
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  So, acting lessons. He's not going.
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  Actually, he does do a bit of that, doesn't he?
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  A. Little bit, yeah.
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  He's very serene now you've got to think this is that sort of
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  latter day, new adventure stroke, Big finish.
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  Beautiful. It looks amazing this.
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  This tardy. But yeah, but so you don't think
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  Service McCoy should have been really in this creatively?
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  Well, creatively, no. As a fan, yes, I'll please.
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  We see the regeneration, but it was a stupid idea to put him in
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  this. I mean they could have cut it
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  down a little bit or I've, I think I can't remember where I
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  read it or so it could have been like a flashback a bit later on
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  they could have brought him back and.
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  Do you think that row should have started with Paul McCann as
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  the Doctor turning into Chris Rexon?
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  I mean, I'm not going to say no to any Paul McCann, but.
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  It is silly. It wouldn't have worked, would
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  it? I mean, they could have had ACE
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  in this as well, you know. Do you know what I mean?
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  Jesus. Christ, the way to bring this
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  down. Bring Sophie Aldrin in.
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  Yeah, Professor, why you got that creepy guy's remains in
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  there? All right, it's the master
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  always reading The Time Machine, and they're trying to be very.
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  Cute in the diary and all of that.
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  I suppose It's but it still really was for the fans, wasn't
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  it? But then.
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  Do you know if you do a drinking game with this and you drink
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  every time time is mentioned? You're drunk within 2 1/2
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  minutes. The poor.
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  Woman, I think you have to get used to the TARDIS being so
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  massive and it is on all these handles.
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  It's a shame we don't really get to see there's so much detail
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  back there. Well, we sort of explore it
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  later, Chang Lee and the Master. We don't see it enough, but.
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  Oh, oh. Very symbolic.
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  Jeffrey Sachs is a very symbolic guy.
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  I think this is one of the best directed Doctor Who stories
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  ever. I mean it's very energetic.
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  It like it's furious. They really did want to make an
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  impact with how this looked, but visually, I mean look at that
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  high angle shot of the TARDIS console with the Snake Master
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  slivering underneath it. But you do.
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  I do feel like you have, you know, your casual viewer is a
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  bit like even after these few minutes you're like.
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  Scary master. This is happening, this is
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  happening, and then you're like, it's a bit exhausting, isn't it?
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  Oh, it's. It's ridiculous.
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  You will never do this now. It is utterly ridiculous to
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  begin with. This much of a catch up of the
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  last sort of what is? It. 3540 years of Doctor Who.
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  But it's what been 6-7 years? You realise what this did as
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  well, don't you? Cancel the Dark Dimension.
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  So what are you really going to do now?
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  There was five weeks of post production of the Doctor
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  mentioned. Why is he putting the master at
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  a shrine? Why does it have to be at a
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  shrine with all these candles and stuff?
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  I. Understand that.
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  I think if you pull this apart, you'll be saying why quite a
• 19:10
  lot. OK.
• 19:11
  Why? Just because it's got a lot of
• 19:12
  make up on there. Do they shoot the Doctor when he
• 19:14
  walks outside the TARDIS, I mean.
• 19:17
  And we're back on Earth. Here we go.
• 19:19
  Go. I let this transitioned into the
• 19:21
  fish's eye. There's a lot of these, yeah.
• 19:25
  It's definitely got a stamp of a director that's really thought
• 19:29
  about, you know, it's not just done as, I mean even this, you
• 19:34
  know this. Kind of out the window, down
• 19:36
  into the street. That's what I'll say.
• 19:37
  That's a street. No, from the set there down, I
• 19:41
  mean it's. It is gorgeous.
• 19:45
  Look, this is how I always imagine America.
• 19:47
  To be in the. Evening Smokey Backstreet.
• 19:49
  Yeah, yeah, but it's very 90s. It's very X-Files.
• 19:52
  Like, where's it supposed to be? Los Angeles.
• 19:54
  San Francisco, it literally just said on the screen.
• 19:55
  In front of you. But yeah, but it's Vancouver
• 19:58
  isn't. It, but no the film they're
• 19:59
  making in Vancouver. Yeah, like The X-Files.
• 20:01
  It's because there's many other. Shows, but this is.
• 20:04
  But then as a kid you're like, this is cool Doctor Who.
• 20:08
  This is what you want Doctor Who?
• 20:09
  To be like gangs, Like gums. Hey, come here, man.
• 20:15
  Yeah. This is like, Oh my God, what?
• 20:16
  This is like we said about the dialogue, right.
• 20:18
  But remember when you and me read the entire script on the TV
• 20:22
  movie in the hotel in Didcot, the place of the Android
• 20:25
  invasion, we came to the conclusion.
• 20:27
  Actually, most of the script was script directions.
• 20:30
  Yeah. Matthew Jacobs, you script on
• 20:32
  the dialogue. Hey, come here, man.
• 20:37
  Oh, and can I just say a word for the music in this fucking
• 20:41
  one of our best scores ever? Listen.
• 20:47
  To this, he's doing a proper orchestral score for Doctor Who.
• 20:52
  Who is it? John Dibney?
• 20:55
  And he also did two episodes of Star Trek D Space 9, you know.
• 21:01
  So are we watching the I Feel Unedited version?
• 21:03
  I was like because there's no this is the full version, this
• 21:06
  is. So you get to see that zoom in
• 21:07
  on the Hifi system as the Doctor dies.
• 21:10
  But this motion was. It some of this gun stuff was
• 21:12
  that edited. It wasn't the BBC One, but not
• 21:14
  in the. BBC version?
• 21:15
  This is the full version, yeah, because look, in the BBC version
• 21:19
  you didn't see all that ba ba, ba ba ba.
• 21:20
  And the second against the TARDIS, it looks great as well.
• 21:24
  Why is there an enormous backdrop of Buckingham Palace
• 21:27
  there? Again, they've thought about it,
• 21:29
  of course, because Doctor Who's from?
• 21:31
  Written and It's just a nice touch, isn't it?
• 21:33
  There's a lot of these nice touches.
• 21:35
  OK, well I feel like this is an appropriate moment to talk about
• 21:40
  the 7th Doctors demise. Is it worthy I mean.
• 21:44
  Malfunction. It's after all of this, you
• 21:47
  know, master manipulator, all those years, it's done all the
• 21:50
  new adventures. There's something in that and he
• 21:52
  just gets shot down random. There is something about the
• 21:54
  random death I really like though.
• 21:57
  Like, you know, he's he's been the master of 1000 games.
• 22:00
  You know, he's been playing all these arch villains at their own
• 22:03
  game and all of a sudden he's taken down.
• 22:05
  By a bullet of a gang member in San Francisco.
• 22:08
  I love his outfit here. They didn't go with the question
• 22:12
  marks, yeah. No, I think this is one of his
• 22:15
  best performances in Doctor Who it.
• 22:17
  Doesn't do very much. Yep, that's saying a lot there.
• 22:21
  Take you have a look. All the feathers are sort of
• 22:24
  flying down around the lighting. Oh my God, it's the cup, master.
• 22:28
  It's dripping out the thing, Yeah, I've got to say.
• 22:31
  Sorry man. But I do you think I?
• 22:33
  Think we haven't got to the master yet, but do you think
• 22:35
  having the master as the main? Villain in the first one is a
• 22:38
  bit too Do you think it could have been we should have an
• 22:41
  alien of some kind to sort of show what the show can do Series
• 22:44
  of weird choices that they made there.
• 22:47
  There is too much back. Story.
• 22:48
  I can understand why it's the master.
• 22:50
  Look at Look at that CGI shot on the puddle turning into the
• 22:53
  snake. Still pretty good.
• 22:54
  I think that looks great. But do you think they should
• 22:58
  have gone for a more alien style?
• 23:00
  Just random invasion. I just don't think they should
• 23:03
  have told this story. They.
• 23:03
  Couldn't have done it on the But you know what?
• 23:05
  The fact that they did tell the story, and it is as mercilessly
• 23:08
  entertaining as it is, I'm very pleased it exist.
• 23:11
  Oh my God, you're Bruce. It's Eric Roberts making his
• 23:14
  first appearance, signing up. We can't do nothing.
• 23:19
  So was it December 31st? 1999 when Mark and I say we
• 23:27
  could quote this entire movie, we love it.
• 23:30
  We are not exaggerating. OK, now this in a minute.
• 23:34
  All these things in ambulance and things like this.
• 23:36
  There's an X-Files episode called Leonard Betts shot around
• 23:40
  the same time. It looks exactly like this.
• 23:43
  I swear it's the same ambulance. It's the same hospital.
• 23:48
  Oh yeah, 5 million. This other budget off And do
• 23:52
  you? I do think you can see it.
• 23:54
  Oh, well, yeah, absolutely. We're about to be introduced to
• 23:58
  the star of the show. And I'm not talking about Daphne
• 24:01
  Ashbrook. It's Curtis.
• 24:02
  It's Curtis, the nurse, everybody.
• 24:05
  It's Brian. Sometimes I do feel that some of
• 24:09
  these really slow tracking shots.
• 24:12
  Where you see the the snake, it's a little, it slows down the
• 24:15
  action a little bit. I know it is suspenseful, but
• 24:18
  oh, I could have done without that since the Best of McCoy
• 24:21
  shirt. Open.
• 24:23
  And these are the days is he are quite high.
• 24:25
  High up in in ratings. There's no way.
• 24:27
  McCoy is smooth. McCoy is hairy.
• 24:31
  They've shaved him. They've shaved him.
• 24:34
  I swear. I know, I know.
• 24:36
  I know what you mean. He's all a bit ponderous, but he
• 24:38
  does shoot this habit. That's in really great ways, I
• 24:41
  think. A.
• 24:43
  Double exposure. All this double exposure, he has
• 24:49
  two hearts. I mean, you've Hawking back a
• 24:51
  little bit to Spirit from Space here, aren't you?
• 24:53
  With the, they're going back to the same, well, you know.
• 24:55
  They're going back to that same sort of situation.
• 25:00
  I would have liked to be some, I don't know, an alien in the in
• 25:04
  the hospital or something like that.
• 25:05
  Some autony type thing. He's an alien hospital.
• 25:07
  The Doctor. Yeah, I suppose.
• 25:10
  I suppose I see what you mean now.
• 25:12
  Yeah, this is a bit too. Like now the third one, I just
• 25:14
  feel like they could have just we get that point.
• 25:17
  The snakes in the fucking ambulance.
• 25:19
  I. Would criticize that it's just a
• 25:21
  little bit too much, but it's probably.
• 25:22
  I've watched this so many times. Anyone know it so well?
• 25:25
  Possibly say about that vehicle? This is an ambulance.
• 25:33
  Oh, McCoy does a brilliant accident a bit when he dies,
• 25:36
  doesn't it? Oh.
• 25:37
  Traumatic. He's very traumatic.
• 25:39
  Oh my God, here we go. Amazing.
• 25:41
  Grace. Oh my God.
• 25:49
  Come on, Explain what a goddess that is.
• 25:52
  Brilliant, isn't she? And she stayed a great.
• 25:55
  Ambassador for Doctor Who as well.
• 25:56
  Throughout all these years of conventions and things.
• 25:59
  I absolutely thoroughly recommend her biography, Dead
• 26:02
  Woman Laughing. That goes throughout her whole
• 26:04
  career and her daughter Peyton. And her daughter, Peyton, Peyton
• 26:08
  and I, actually, she has had a bit of a life after Doctor Who.
• 26:12
  She's been in some Big Finish audios as other characters.
• 26:15
  I mean she did other stuff. She was, she's only by she, you
• 26:18
  know, she's been in Murder She Wrote.
• 26:20
  She did a couple of episodes of that.
• 26:21
  She did the odd, you know, an episode she was in The OC.
• 26:24
  She was Melora. And Star Trek, Yeah, she's Star
• 26:26
  Trek. So she's, you know, quite a A
• 26:28
  Joffing actress here she's effectively Carolyn in vampire
• 26:31
  science. She does.
• 26:33
  She does a ton of comic strips, Paul McCann comic strips, and
• 26:36
  you're talking about. Grace, I'm talking about Daphne
• 26:38
  Ashbrook. Well, of course purposes.
• 26:39
  Here they are one. Oh, wait, they are one.
• 26:42
  Brian, I'm on call. No.
• 26:45
  Don't. Sort of levity of this.
• 26:48
  And we love Curtis because she goes she's.
• 26:50
  Setting her up for as a perfect Doctor Who companion this every
• 26:53
  day. Oh my God, this is happening.
• 26:55
  Oh my God. And then she's drawn into this
• 26:57
  world. Hold up, hold up.
• 26:59
  I really love race for a second. In In terms of character
• 27:02
  shorthand, yeah, so we've seen her at the theatre, so she's
• 27:05
  clearly cultured, sort of middle, upper class.
• 27:09
  But she's also a bit quirky because she goes to work in her
• 27:11
  opera dress. She's a doctor on call.
• 27:13
  She's got a board like we've only known her for about 2 1/2
• 27:17
  minutes and we already basically know her entire back story.
• 27:19
  It's really well done. Puccini.
• 27:22
  This is a bit, yeah, grim. With the the Doctor waking up.
• 27:25
  I think this is where the 12th certificate came in.
• 27:28
  I'm not human, Mark. I'm not like your timing
• 27:31
  malfunction. The master, he's out there.
• 27:37
  I don't understand why there's all these dramatic shots of.
• 27:40
  Growth. Oh my God.
• 27:40
  And the bit with the guys looking over.
• 27:42
  And just so. We we know your money's being
• 27:45
  well spent, we'll blasted with lasers.
• 27:47
  Oh, I. Mean.
• 27:50
  It's not really necessary all of that stuff, but it just.
• 27:52
  Adds to the the drama of the whole situation.
• 27:55
  Doesn't think about an hour or 15 minutes of this is not
• 27:58
  necessary. Now we've watched a lot of
• 27:59
  Grey's Anatomy. We sort of understand this
• 28:01
  because they have got that viewing platform of the bit.
• 28:04
  Well, Grey's, yeah, but you shy away from all those operations.
• 28:07
  Oh, my God. I mean you can't handle.
• 28:08
  It that bit, you know where you see all the insides of him on
• 28:10
  the TV screen here. Oh my God, I can't watch that
• 28:13
  bit. All that blue bit, all the probe
• 28:15
  gets snapped off inside it, didn't it?
• 28:17
  I've never had a probe snapped off inside me before.
• 28:21
  Oh oh, all of these directorial shots from the Doctor's point of
• 28:24
  view. Those were Sylvester Mccoy's
• 28:26
  idea, he said to Jeffrey Sachs. Wait, if you want Paul McGann to
• 28:31
  recognise her, I should. You should see through my eyes
• 28:34
  seeing her. So then when he wakes up, he
• 28:37
  remembers her McCoy still coming up with ideas.
• 28:42
  Don't know. We're probably on the set of the
• 28:44
  classic series. McCoy was like, why don't we try
• 28:46
  this? I.
• 28:46
  Mean listening? Get his spoons out here and
• 28:48
  stuff. You know, he could play them on
• 28:49
  Daphne Ashbrook. 'S top playing scalpels or
• 28:52
  something instead? Yeah, And can I just say,
• 28:54
  please, everybody, check out the Long Island Doctor Who
• 28:57
  Convention, which Daphne Ashbrook is often at.
• 29:00
  It's just great that she's still involved and it's a shame that
• 29:03
  she can't come back and play Grace for Big Finish.
• 29:06
  I don't know if those rights aren't a problem anymore now
• 29:09
  that Disney are involved. I'll tell you what, I genuinely
• 29:12
  think her performance in this is one of the best things about it,
• 29:16
  and I think her character is just brilliantly paired with
• 29:19
  Paul Mcgann's doctor. I mean, I don't remember back.
• 29:22
  I wasn't really sort of in the the conversation, the fandom
• 29:25
  conversations and such. Was there a sort of resistance
• 29:28
  like, oh, this has all been Americanized?
• 29:30
  Yeah, totally, totally. Do you think that's an issue
• 29:32
  here? It went one or two ways.
• 29:34
  You had the terrorist sticks reaction where he went to the
• 29:37
  premiere and went it's incoherent crap and you or you
• 29:41
  have the Kate Ormond reaction, which was basically she flicked
• 29:44
  herself off every time she thought about it because this
• 29:47
  was the most romantic Doctor Who had ever been.
• 29:49
  I think it's. I don't have a problem with it
• 29:51
  and I didn't at the time. What is that dramatic close up
• 29:54
  of the Wi-Fi all about? Yeah.
• 29:56
  And McCoy goes, that's. A horrible image that really is
• 30:01
  and his slow motion death. I'm going to switch over to Desi
• 30:04
  Connor after that. This is the most protracted
• 30:06
  death, I think. Yeah, it goes on a long time.
• 30:09
  I think about when Jon Pertwee died.
• 30:10
  It's very quick. Not it's not.
• 30:16
  I thought we dropped her. I mean the first Doctor.
• 30:20
  Mark, I want to see his X-rays. Now he.
• 30:24
  Does go on a bit longer, but you need to have that drama, you
• 30:26
  need to show that because if it's a new viewer, you need to
• 30:29
  show that he has died. And that whatever's going to
• 30:32
  happen happened. But I cannot believe she's still
• 30:34
  in her opera dress. And after that?
• 30:36
  Grace's story from now on, we like her.
• 30:39
  Do we like her? Absolutely.
• 30:41
  I. Love her is.
• 30:42
  She, I mean, she's definitely in that list of companions for me.
• 30:46
  She's not left out. People shouldn't leave.
• 30:47
  Don't leave Grace out if you're doing a list of companions.
• 30:50
  Dr. Jesus Christ though. She's one of those I know, I
• 30:53
  know. She breaks that rule.
• 30:54
  She made it in that book, didn't she?
• 30:55
  The women of Doctor Who book. She didn't travel in the TARDIS
• 30:57
  from story to story, which is usually the rule, but neither
• 30:59
  did Lis. Sure, she's the Lis.
• 31:01
  Sure of the 90s, That's right. Although if we had had a season
• 31:05
  of Grace Holloway Adventures. Oh my God, it would be.
• 31:07
  Well, would you have Chan Lee? What do you think of Chan Lee
• 31:11
  here? Because this is where their
• 31:12
  first OK Mark and I have said very mean things about Yuji So's
• 31:16
  performances elsewhere in. Doctor Who?
• 31:18
  Oh, in Big Finish. He hasn't.
• 31:20
  I think, I think he's brilliant in there.
• 31:22
  He's very naturalistic in this. He's very charming.
• 31:24
  I mean, I think sometimes his character is not written so well
• 31:27
  because no, the Emory goes, you lied to me.
• 31:30
  It's like, did he? I don't know.
• 31:33
  You don't know this man at all, do you?
• 31:34
  At the end, yeah, I do. See you later, Grace.
• 31:41
  Her tits look amazing in that dress, don't they?
• 31:44
  Beautiful. There she goes.
• 31:45
  Oh, proper. Wait, wait.
• 31:47
  There as well. Look at this.
• 31:48
  The transition into the corridor.
• 31:50
  This is all this direction is so American, isn't it?
• 31:53
  I love it. Oh, no.
• 31:55
  That man must have got all those cups of coffee.
• 31:57
  He's just gone straight through them all.
• 31:59
  This reminds me of the sequence in Star Trek 4.
• 32:02
  You know when they're going around the hospital.
• 32:04
  No. Yeah.
• 32:04
  Dialysis. You know, I I'm Karen.
• 32:06
  I'm Karen. That bit.
• 32:08
  The only other thing I've seen each, and so in is the first
• 32:11
  pilot episode of Sliders. He plays Quinn's friend at the
• 32:15
  beginning. I think he turns up in a couple
• 32:17
  of alternative in that first series of Sliders.
• 32:19
  Now Mark can, Oh my God, identify with Bruce's wife now
• 32:26
  because I believe his partner snores a.
• 32:28
  Little Oh my God, is it Eliza? Roberts that this is a married
• 32:32
  couple, the married couple of Doctor.
• 32:34
  Couple very rare. Not every Doctor Who story has
• 32:37
  it killed his own wife on screen.
• 32:39
  And they this is the sound of her neck snapping that I think
• 32:42
  the BBC edited out. Is it in here?
• 32:44
  Now it. Might be in this come back to
• 32:46
  bed honey. I now look we do weren't soaking
• 32:49
  on the all the ambulance stuff. I do like the snake going around
• 32:51
  his bedroom though, because the idea I.
• 32:53
  Think this tracking shot is just a little bit slow again, because
• 32:56
  we've seen this what, 3-4 times reading the ambulance?
• 32:58
  And now again, excuse me, can I say something?
• 33:01
  You were literally petrified with a spider in the bedroom
• 33:04
  this morning. If this snake was slipping
• 33:07
  around, you'd be terrified. Oh, that is great.
• 33:11
  Oh, I don't. No, I don't really like looking
• 33:14
  at fate. So the fact that we're seeing
• 33:16
  Mccoy's scabby feet right into the camera there is a bit oh,
• 33:19
  what do you think about this fella doing anything special?
• 33:22
  New Year's Eve? A.
• 33:24
  Great comedy side character. Is there anything special New
• 33:26
  Year's Eve go to the costume party?
• 33:29
  Oh, where you going? As.
• 33:31
  Wow. Who's that?
• 33:35
  Oh, it's 731st 1999. Party on, we've got a sweet
• 33:40
  Sure, we'll wrap for you. This basically is just so
• 33:46
  squeered and quoted. Mark, do you think he's going to
• 33:52
  go to a better hospital? And here we go into the mall.
• 33:57
  Why don't you go to another hospital and find some more mind
• 34:00
  ordering drugs? I mean, I suppose it's not this
• 34:02
  is it's not really a family show, is it?
• 34:05
  For you. What do you mean sit down?
• 34:07
  You know Doctor Who's but only like, whereas Rose was like sit
• 34:10
  down with the family and watch what do you?
• 34:11
  Think this is too scary? Bit old adult doesn't feel as
• 34:14
  that. Well, Rose feels kiddier.
• 34:16
  You know you got the. You've got the plastic bin in
• 34:18
  rows and here you've got a Morgan.
• 34:20
  Oh, I see. What, you're saying you know an
• 34:22
  operation of Sylvester McCoy, haven't you?
• 34:24
  So, but it's still a bit comic book.
• 34:26
  I mean, it's a big, it is Cartoon Snake is about to go
• 34:29
  down his throat, but. You get those, You get a few.
• 34:32
  Oh God, have you ever gagged on a snake like that?
• 34:36
  I believe you have. Sorry, what you're saying?
• 34:40
  As I say in like an X-Files episode or something, you still
• 34:43
  have some of those comedy games. It's more The X-Files audience,
• 34:46
  I feel. Oh yeah, this is what they go.
• 34:48
  But it's not your family. Because it was.
• 34:51
  The interesting thing is this we're.
• 34:52
  Not really. Launching.
• 34:53
  It's not really like to give it this context for a second this
• 34:57
  there was an entire committee of people.
• 34:59
  Coming in putting this, there was the American side and there
• 35:02
  was the British side, and they couldn't, apparently they just
• 35:04
  hashed it out and they couldn't make any choices, which is why I
• 35:07
  think you've got all the Americanisms in it and you've
• 35:10
  got all the Britishisms in it, but I think it makes an
• 35:13
  intoxicating brew. I mean, for all the people
• 35:15
  involved in the script and what can and can't go in, I'm
• 35:19
  surprised we got. Not as a good a product as we
• 35:21
  got. Indeed.
• 35:23
  You know, well, I think, I think by committee there's if there
• 35:26
  was somebody a bit more creative, that was like, right,
• 35:29
  this is how we're going to. I think 3 reasons.
• 35:31
  Can I tell you why I still think this is so good, despite the
• 35:34
  fact that the script is all over the place.
• 35:36
  One is Matthew Jacobs writes fantastically funny dialogue.
• 35:43
  So this is very, very quotable story too.
• 35:45
  They cast it brilliantly and the actors bring a lot to the
• 35:48
  screen. And three, Jeffrey Sachs just
• 35:50
  directs the hell out of it. So as an experience of watching
• 35:53
  a piece of television, it's glorious.
• 35:57
  Here we have the regeneration. Yeah, look at regeneration with
• 36:00
  the with festival is perfect for his guns.
• 36:02
  Paul McCann looks a bit embarrassed.
• 36:05
  Doesn't not want to do any gun in here.
• 36:06
  I am just going to look as if I've just chewed on a caramel
• 36:09
  toffee. And the and the intercutting
• 36:11
  with the original Frankenstein genius, isn't it?
• 36:15
  Here he is. He's alive.
• 36:18
  He is or isn't he handsome? So he came back at night at the
• 36:23
  doctor. He didn't look any different
• 36:25
  here. We go, he looks a bit waxwork
• 36:27
  there. When he sits up, I just How do
• 36:30
  you? Think this ranks in terms of
• 36:32
  regenerations so far. What the actual regeneration or
• 36:36
  as a first story for his doctor? How the regeneration is Oh, it's
• 36:39
  one of the best. It's one of the most over
• 36:42
  directed regenerations. It's up there with case of
• 36:44
  Andras Hardy four as being over directed.
• 36:47
  But in I feel like the regeneration should be over
• 36:50
  directed. They're big.
• 36:51
  Moments. Yeah, he's a big moment.
• 36:53
  I'm sure we got this super strength from though to break
• 36:55
  down this more. Door.
• 36:56
  Oh, it's leftover regeneration energy.
• 36:58
  Obviously they don't state that they do like, and actually we
• 37:02
  haven't got the fairy dust yet, have we?
• 37:04
  So that comes with the new series.
• 37:06
  And then we have this Jesus image, don't we?
• 37:09
  I believe that Marie Gold may have been paying attention to TV
• 37:12
  movie. And you know, the bit where he
• 37:14
  goes, Oh my God, Marigold was like all comedy music.
• 37:18
  I'll put some of that in Doctor Who.
• 37:21
  Oh, here he comes. It's Jesus.
• 37:25
  I mean, if Jesus did emerge the second comment, he looked like
• 37:28
  that. Everyone would want to fuck him,
• 37:30
  wouldn't I? Sorry to any religious people
• 37:34
  listening. And then we have then we have a
• 37:38
  bit too long of Paul McGann wondering will you stop saying
• 37:41
  everything too long do you like? This.
• 37:44
  No, I do. I just want him to be the doctor
• 37:46
  straight away and the you know ohh and can you explain to me
• 37:49
  what's occurring in a minute when he goes into that room and.
• 37:52
  That's what I was going to say. This always can smash windows.
• 37:55
  He's walking down this corridor. It's I think it's explained in
• 37:57
  the script and the novel shot of him walking down the corridor.
• 38:00
  It's one of the best corridor scenes.
• 38:02
  It's the direction of that is beautiful.
• 38:05
  But first, watching this, there's no explanation of why.
• 38:10
  Yeah, it's this abandoned part of the hospital scary, Russell's
• 38:14
  novel explained there. I think there's a line or two
• 38:16
  and it might be in the script as well.
• 38:17
  It's just a it just wants us to an abandoned part.
• 38:20
  But. I mean for dramatic effect,
• 38:22
  there's all equipment in there though getting wet.
• 38:25
  Leave it like this. They wouldn't leave like a wing
• 38:27
  of this whole damaged equipment and we didn't even hear there
• 38:30
  was going to be a storm. Yeah, it just sort of came out.
• 38:34
  Comes out of nowhere. When he arrived in the hospital,
• 38:36
  there wasn't a storm was. There.
• 38:37
  All these like flowers that don't look too old, I believe.
• 38:41
  What is what they you're not? Going to leave this all leaking
• 38:43
  out all over the place, are you? I believe it is what they call a
• 38:45
  Miz on scene I They're just making a dramatic statement.
• 38:49
  Visually, they are, you know they.
• 38:51
  Are but it just. Confused me.
• 38:52
  I was like, I need to know why this is happening.
• 38:55
  People say that Jesus Doctor came during Rusty Davis's time,
• 38:57
  but it's nonsense, serious. But here he can explore.
• 39:02
  Explore himself in the mirror. That doesn't sound right.
• 39:04
  Explore himself in the mirror on his own, without people.
• 39:06
  Around Explore yourself in the mirror.
• 39:09
  Love you. But at least he can see and then
• 39:13
  be like who am I to himself without anybody?
• 39:16
  Look at his tits. Oh my God.
• 39:18
  We need more of this, don't we? Do you know what I love about?
• 39:20
  Do you know what I love about how Ethan says this?
• 39:24
  Oh, wait. Oh, Master.
• 39:25
  Doctor. Master.
• 39:27
  Doctor. Minds touch.
• 39:29
  That's right. And Masters got all come round
• 39:32
  his mouth. Yeah, it's been sucking off
• 39:36
  Chang Li. Look.
• 39:36
  Mrs. Bruce is just asleep this whole time.
• 39:42
  Oh, I love the music here. But then it goes into that
• 39:53
  grace. She's been there all night.
• 39:55
  Yeah. Grace has been off the screen
• 39:56
  for too long now. You know when Paul McGann said
• 39:59
  that line? Who am I?
• 40:00
  Yeah, The way he breaks his voice again, you can tell he's a
• 40:02
  Shakespearean actor. He goes, who?
• 40:04
  Oh, what's this all about? Tom Baker scarf.
• 40:12
  Have to have a Tom Baker scarf reference in anything Doctor Who
• 40:16
  since Tom Baker left. Look at this the fades to Chang
• 40:20
  Li back to the. Doctor, I'd love to see the
• 40:22
  TARDIS key is as the perch for years, which is nice, and you've
• 40:26
  got the yo-yo. Yeah, as well, I've got to say,
• 40:29
  right, I do think the 1st 15 minutes of the film are is a
• 40:32
  massive mistake. Yeah, I love how I do love it.
• 40:34
  I know, I know. From this point on to the end of
• 40:37
  the movie, I just think it's absolutely perfect.
• 40:40
  Is that Philip Seago in The Locker?
• 40:43
  That picture Ian Levine I love. That picture.
• 40:45
  That's a picture. It's just a fat man.
• 40:48
  I don't know who it is. Seagull.
• 40:49
  I could always say seagull what? Was that mask?
• 40:51
  Was that Richard Nixon? I think so.
• 40:53
  Yeah, I. Love this music.
• 40:55
  Yeah. Oh, and this.
• 40:58
  So the outfit for this doctor. Yeah, perfect is.
• 41:01
  This is not leaning into the past a bit though.
• 41:03
  It wouldn't have been a velvet frock cone cravat.
• 41:06
  Got that vision of Russell T Davis?
• 41:08
  Of how it could be? This is what people think of
• 41:11
  Doctor Who think of a scarf wearer at this point.
• 41:15
  I think this is bringing it on. I mean it's not a question mark
• 41:19
  pullover is it? This, I think it's that
• 41:21
  Edwardian, Bohemian type character, which is that is what
• 41:25
  Doctor Who was at. This time, I think he manages to
• 41:28
  stride the line between classic IES Get up and knew the romantic
• 41:32
  doctor. It's that perfect bridging
• 41:34
  point. But then if Paul McGann oh, this
• 41:38
  is my favorite scene, come back to bed, honey.
• 41:40
  Excuse me? My name is not honey.
• 41:43
  This is the bit where emergencies partner.
• 41:46
  Master will do. Come back to bed then, master,
• 41:50
  we used to play. We used to recreate that scene
• 41:52
  in primary school. After we watched this, we used
• 41:55
  to. We used to play this.
• 41:57
  This is your favorite scene that emerges?
• 42:00
  Me and my friend at school. We used to reenact this, I bet.
• 42:04
  You did? I bet you did back in prime.
• 42:06
  My skull come back to bed, honey.
• 42:08
  Do you not think that's a good shot though, the green eyes?
• 42:11
  He snaps her neck. Don't snap my neck, please.
• 42:15
  But sorry, what? Just going back to Paul McGann,
• 42:17
  imagine if he had his short hair, which I think he wanted.
• 42:22
  It wouldn't suit him in that outfit, would it?
• 42:25
  I've said it's because I just eat on all of those covers of
• 42:28
  those books and big finishes. I'm so used to seeing him like
• 42:31
  that when he came back in. Not at the doctor.
• 42:33
  Well, not at the doctor he's got.
• 42:35
  He's the new big finish. He's got a little bit of a curl
• 42:37
  around the side. Oh, here we go.
• 42:39
  I feel that Grace has a relationship with everybody in
• 42:41
  this hospital. Curtis the fat man in the
• 42:43
  Mortuary one She's a. Hi, Dick, isn't she?
• 42:46
  Mark, stop by psychiatric to pick up some more mind honouring
• 42:49
  drugs for you. Oh, I love her.
• 42:52
  I absolutely love her. Oh, in a minute, right.
• 42:56
  There's a bit with Paul McGann sitting there in the waiting
• 43:00
  room. There's a massive close up on
• 43:01
  this man's face with a huge nose.
• 43:03
  It's his point of view, isn't it?
• 43:05
  He's. A little weird.
• 43:06
  I'm so sorry for the man. They make him look very ugly.
• 43:08
  Looks a bit like Patrick Moore I.
• 43:09
  Think. Look.
• 43:10
  Wait for it. Oh.
• 43:11
  My. God, Oh my God, Body Snatchers.
• 43:16
  But this is very much again, Grey's Anatomy, isn't it?
• 43:19
  Mark, didn't you hear? So I ran out for the body last
• 43:21
  night. I mean that outfit.
• 43:24
  All the cravat, all that velvet. In terms of editing, do you
• 43:29
  think this is the best Doctor Who story?
• 43:31
  Because there's so much editing in this, they cut in scenes.
• 43:35
  Yeah? In the climax it edits from
• 43:36
  scene to scene to scene. Furiously, it probably is the
• 43:39
  most, isn't it? But I think it's still sorry
• 43:42
  Terrance manages to be coherent. Yeah, I don't know what he's
• 43:45
  talking about. Time.
• 43:48
  Time so dramatic. Now, what is all this scene
• 43:55
  about with her boss? Well, it's, I mean, she's trying
• 44:01
  to say he's trying to cover up that whatever happened, you
• 44:04
  know, this alien, all this double exposure thing isn't and
• 44:07
  he wants to get rid of the evidence.
• 44:08
  So he thinks that she made mistakes?
• 44:10
  Yeah, yeah. Well, if you do this, Mark, I'll
• 44:13
  quit. But it's this is here to show
• 44:15
  Grace's. She's a woman of integrity, of a
• 44:18
  companion. She's not going to, you know,
• 44:20
  Liz Shaw wouldn't have any of this.
• 44:22
  Liz Shaw would fight for this. Wouldn't.
• 44:24
  She No. Yeah, absolutely.
• 44:26
  Yeah. I think she'd be snogging Jon
• 44:28
  Pertwee, though. Up against a tree.
• 44:32
  Liz, the Sky with Dancing with Colour.
• 44:35
  I know who I am little. Green men with blue heads come.
• 44:40
  Here then you haven't. Shaved your brow last.
• 44:49
  Where were we, the youth? Madam fits perfectly.
• 44:54
  The boy, Liz, you're going to do great things.
• 44:59
  I'll see that I'll quit. I can see Doctor Melora Paul
• 45:03
  Winner there setting her up to go off on Adventures in Time and
• 45:06
  Space. And she doesn't.
• 45:07
  At the end, she's getting getting rid of her old life.
• 45:10
  She's fed up with being a doctor.
• 45:11
  She's getting rid of her boyfriend, She's ready to go out
• 45:13
  into the stars. She.
• 45:14
  Knows who she is. That's enough.
• 45:18
  No, this is. I think she should have got.
• 45:20
  Two boxes worth Is that all she's got is her work stuff and
• 45:23
  her dress from last night. OK, Oh my God, they're here they
• 45:27
  are together. He's still got the John Doe tag
• 45:30
  on his foot. That's that's gorgeous.
• 45:32
  Doctor Who isn't. It absolutely gorgeous.
• 45:34
  Imagine if he came up next to you in the lift, Mr. Darcy.
• 45:37
  Like this Puccini. We've been performs a guy on the
• 45:41
  lift, he was British. Shit, haven't done a bit liquor?
• 45:47
  Then she must have thought she scored the best role.
• 45:50
  I mean, I don't. Think definitely knew much about
• 45:52
  Doctor Who, I think. She does now.
• 45:53
  Well, she does now. Of course she does.
• 45:55
  But at the time, I think she said she didn't really.
• 45:58
  We do have a close personal connection to Daphne Ashbrook,
• 46:01
  don't we? I did have a record.
• 46:03
  A message for you once. Hi.
• 46:05
  Mark. She was going to.
• 46:09
  Read. You love poetry, wouldn't she?
• 46:10
  You can get a copy of her biography or the audio of it.
• 46:14
  It's, it's absolutely. Wonderful.
• 46:15
  She basically details the 15 times She almost died on sets.
• 46:19
  Yeah. And and the 17th died.
• 46:21
  I almost died on set. Oh, who was horrible to her?
• 46:25
  Doesn't she look like Scully? She looks so like Julian.
• 46:28
  Do you think that's the idea? I think that's, yeah, yeah,
• 46:31
  that's what's in people's minds at the.
• 46:32
  Time. She's better than the Scully,
• 46:33
  though. Our Grace Holloway, William.
• 46:35
  She was up for a part in one of the Star Trek films and William
• 46:38
  Shatner was horrible to her and treat her.
• 46:40
  She was. So she was saying, you know,
• 46:42
  this iconic character, she was going to meet William Shatner
• 46:45
  and then at the bar he was just. I don't think that's surprising,
• 46:50
  no. So disappointed.
• 46:51
  That was Car. The bit where he takes the probe
• 46:53
  out of his chest, now that's rather undisputable evidence
• 46:59
  that he is the same man that she put the probe into.
• 47:02
  Yeah, well, that's why she's driving.
• 47:03
  She's just getting on. She's like OK.
• 47:05
  Have you ever seen a probe as big as that?
• 47:07
  No, I love all these subsidiary characters.
• 47:13
  Just the fat parked car park in a tender that goes.
• 47:15
  Hey. Oh, here we go.
• 47:17
  Here we are, Bruce. Oh, Mr. Terminator.
• 47:21
  Yeah, this is a total. Terminator Two.
• 47:23
  What is only what was that 90? I had a bad night that was only
• 47:28
  a few years before. It's very 90s image, isn't it?
• 47:31
  Oh, they're leaning into the cultural iconography at this
• 47:34
  time? Absolutely.
• 47:35
  Excuse me, What happened for the body they brought in?
• 47:37
  Bruce, you're sick. Thank you.
• 47:41
  This is about the amount of effort he thinking now is just.
• 47:45
  This is the effort he brings to his Big Finish audios.
• 47:48
  Oh my God, the master big finishes.
• 47:50
  They are the best. Why don't you let me take off
• 47:52
  the world? Come on.
• 47:53
  In terms of credits, he does not stop working, does he?
• 47:57
  Eric Roberts. He does a lot of he does for TV,
• 48:00
  movies, anything and everything. You name it, Eric Roberts has
• 48:03
  done it. But that's all.
• 48:04
  That's one way to live your life.
• 48:06
  You wouldn't have these lines now about the Asian child, would
• 48:09
  you? I don't think so.
• 48:11
  And the way is Curtis is like, Oh yeah.
• 48:12
  Excuse me, I I think, Who are all those fat joggers going past
• 48:16
  their house? It's the very first thing they
• 48:17
  ever shot, Is it? Yeah, I think this is the first
• 48:21
  day of. Filming this is the bit where
• 48:22
  they had to do a dub over when he said he had 13 lives.
• 48:26
  Isn't it? And the wig and the wig, it's
• 48:28
  changed, but this is like the third version of his hair.
• 48:30
  It's it was a bit curlier in the car and earlier on here it's a
• 48:34
  little bit more finer. It is the wigs just very just
• 48:38
  changed. Who knows when she walks in and
• 48:40
  says he's taking all this stuff as if that happens with every
• 48:42
  boyfriend she has. So far I love her flat though.
• 48:46
  It's got these two levels. Gorgeous, beautiful views of the
• 48:49
  park. She's a well paid doctor.
• 48:51
  I mean, it's just, yeah, she's. I love this.
• 48:54
  You know they are very small TV though.
• 48:57
  You know what they are, by the way, into this.
• 48:58
  Doctors in distress. How big?
• 49:01
  Those windows. Are oh, imagine the sun coming
• 49:04
  through there. Recreate this.
• 49:05
  Have this sort of Doctor Who experience Grace's flat.
• 49:07
  This little room can we Grace 's flat would be the cafe at the
• 49:10
  Doctor Who experience. I think that'd be very cool.
• 49:12
  Yeah. She like, she can't wait to get
• 49:14
  his his shirt open. Now look, I just think Paul
• 49:19
  McGann just has it straight away, I mean.
• 49:22
  But you know what he does? He doesn't assert his
• 49:25
  masculinity very much in this movie, and yet he's still very
• 49:29
  dominant and very impressive. You know, he talks in a very
• 49:34
  soft voice. I've lost.
• 49:36
  I was. It was so sad, it says about
• 49:41
  Puccini and Paul McGann from Liverpool.
• 49:46
  From Liverpool, yes, as per Tom Baker and Little Sladen, other
• 49:49
  regional doctor. Look at that.
• 49:52
  They've both got stunning blue eyes, haven't they?
• 49:54
  Yeah, you have two hearts. One must destroy the
• 50:00
  regenerative. Oh yeah, we're coming back.
• 50:02
  That is a line that nobody should ever say.
• 50:03
  The anaesthetic almost destroyed the regenerative process.
• 50:07
  But this really, I mean this is cements their relationship here
• 50:11
  about the bringing back death and all that so beautiful scene.
• 50:16
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And this establishes their
• 50:18
  relationship as well, doesn't it?
• 50:19
  That he knows who she was when she was younger.
• 50:21
  He knows that she wanted to do great things.
• 50:23
  What do you think of that thing? That's the thing throughout,
• 50:25
  isn't it? Like the Doctor hints that he
• 50:26
  knows you know with. I think it's very funny to
• 50:30
  happen. Is it like?
• 50:32
  From story to story, whether it's Big Finish, comics or
• 50:35
  books, yeah, whether the writer, that's writer, the particular
• 50:38
  story likes it or not. He has that ability.
• 50:40
  Sometimes it's completely forgotten and other times it's
• 50:43
  lent into. I like that, though I think they
• 50:45
  could have done a bit more with that.
• 50:46
  It was a childish dream that make you think you could push
• 50:49
  back death. He just seems to just know these
• 50:51
  things. I like it, yeah.
• 50:53
  I think they could have done that bit more in big.
• 50:56
  Finish. I'd rather think the idea is, is
• 50:57
  that he's looked into the timeline so much you can just
• 51:00
  sort of see people and he knows the web of their lives.
• 51:04
  Yeah. Oh, here we go.
• 51:06
  Chang Lee's got in the TARDIS. So this is where we get a proper
• 51:10
  little view around this set. And I've seen or I've read
• 51:14
  criticism again where okay, this is where this is your interest
• 51:18
  in going in the TARDIS moment for new viewers.
• 51:20
  Whereas as fans we knew that Sylvester McCoy was in the
• 51:24
  TARDIS there, but you don't know as a viewer that's never seen
• 51:28
  it. You've seen Sylvester McCoy and
• 51:30
  Jelly Babies. There he comes.
• 51:32
  I know he comes out-of-the-box, but the connection between the
• 51:35
  two hasn't really been established.
• 51:38
  Maybe this should have been a bit earlier.
• 51:39
  No, no, no. And then we know, or is it, is
• 51:42
  it good to wait at this point? There's another moment.
• 51:45
  If this commentary with Matt Michael before he said he
• 51:47
  thought this was should have been the first time we went in
• 51:50
  really maximum impact and actually you know the bit where
• 51:52
  he comes out to not see the tiles.
• 51:54
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so McCoy lands set.
• 51:58
  I just want this to be my house. I just want to leave the.
• 52:02
  Point where I do wanted that we turn the living room into this I
• 52:06
  I just want to leave it and there's.
• 52:07
  Some on the.net someone's recreated that have you seen on
• 52:09
  Instagram and they've got all the, they've pretty much
• 52:12
  recreated this. And I was like, Oh my God.
• 52:14
  Can I go back, Sorry please that the the the film should open in
• 52:18
  San Francisco and Chang Lee. That should be the start of the
• 52:22
  film. And then McCoy, just the stylist
• 52:24
  materializes during the action sequence.
• 52:26
  He steps out. And so you're kind of all
• 52:28
  baffled about it and so you don't get the answers straight
• 52:30
  away. Not all that voice over at the
• 52:32
  beginning, not all that back story.
• 52:35
  And then this would have such a great impact when he goes into
• 52:38
  the title. See, I've.
• 52:39
  I actually think that is a better approach.
• 52:41
  Oh, he looks chilling. I don't mean Chang Li.
• 52:45
  I mean the master Chang Li's very prissy.
• 52:48
  But the bit where Chang Lee comes out of the TARDIS and it's
• 52:51
  shot from above? That's shot for shot.
• 52:53
  The runaway Bride with Donna coming out of the TARDIS.
• 52:56
  That's how they do it now. Oh, that console.
• 53:00
  The idea of connecting the middle of the console to the
• 53:03
  ceiling as well? It's fabulous and with the
• 53:06
  scanner over the you know. The blue light.
• 53:09
  Oh my God, it's just the lighting.
• 53:10
  That blue is perfect, isn't it For?
• 53:13
  He's not dead. He's stolen my body.
• 53:20
  Is he Masters? Is he?
• 53:23
  I think he's he's entertaining. He's not scary, but he is
• 53:25
  entertaining. Oh, especially at the end when
• 53:28
  he comes out in his dress, Yeah. And there is something weirdly
• 53:33
  homoerotic going on here between him and Chang Lee.
• 53:36
  Don't you think you want to read that into it then?
• 53:39
  He's dressed head to toe and lever.
• 53:40
  I'm promising him the universe I his arsehole.
• 53:43
  Come on now. Oh, I love the Sing in the park.
• 53:48
  A meter storm. It let the sky above us was
• 53:51
  dancing with lights. Gallifrey.
• 53:55
  Yes. Now where is that rival Time
• 53:58
  Lord? Oh my God.
• 53:59
  The Master? Is he like the Devil?
• 54:01
  Yeah, My favorite line in something is when it's when
• 54:05
  Grace says where'd he go? See, this is rival timeline.
• 54:08
  Rival timeline. Oh my God.
• 54:10
  But you know what, right? I mean, these sitcom moments
• 54:12
  between the two of them now are blissful and the bit in the
• 54:15
  ambulance and all of that. Absolutely blissful in the
• 54:17
  party. Blissful.
• 54:19
  But we've had like science fiction at the beginning.
• 54:21
  Then we went to like an ER style medical drama.
• 54:26
  Then we went to some weird horror with the snake going
• 54:28
  around the guy's bedroom. Like, totally it is all over the
• 54:31
  face. I love it all, but it is weird.
• 54:35
  So that's Vancouver there. That skyline, That cityscape, If
• 54:40
  you has anyone been there Is it on the .2 locations tall I've.
• 54:43
  Dressed it with fairy lights. Look.
• 54:45
  Yeah, it does look romantic, doesn't it?
• 54:48
  It's funny, this was all like New Year's Eve and everything,
• 54:50
  but it was only like the middle of summer over here.
• 54:52
  This would be a New Year's Special new.
• 54:58
  Year's Yeah, it should be a New Year's Special.
• 55:01
  Move over resolution. Oh, the bit where Daphne
• 55:04
  Ashbrook stares at the camera like Looney Tunes and all this.
• 55:08
  What's in all these different drawers and all those books.
• 55:11
  I just want to explore all of this stuff.
• 55:14
  So a water thing, a water filter thing.
• 55:18
  I just want oh I love those doors, those doors with the seal
• 55:20
  of rattle on. This is my all time favorite
• 55:25
  TARDIS. I think second second is the
• 55:28
  Capaldi one, which I think is similarly gorgeous.
• 55:30
  Well, it's it's got that darker tone as well, but this.
• 55:32
  Just feels bigger. I know it's just the the size of
• 55:34
  it, but luckily we didn't get any episodes where the TARDIS is
• 55:37
  crashing and holding on all of that stuff going from side to
• 55:40
  side, all those plants falling off.
• 55:43
  I think it's it gets so operatic when we go into the Eye of
• 55:46
  Harmony and there's bats flying around.
• 55:48
  I mean that's maybe a little bit over the top, but.
• 55:51
  Where's the sunlight coming from?
• 55:53
  It's a TARDIS. Isn't it?
• 55:54
  Oh, it's a supernova that created the Eye of Harmony.
• 55:56
  Of course you can have anything, anything in the world.
• 56:00
  What would it be? 1,000,000 bucks.
• 56:03
  Only 1,000,000, OK, 2 million, that's.
• 56:07
  A thing bigger a billion dollars.
• 56:10
  What would that buy you? Power.
• 56:18
  It's so horrible. Though, isn't it?
• 56:22
  You get the rest when I get my body back.
• 56:27
  That's how I feel when I see anyone honking.
• 56:29
  He. Stole my body.
• 56:34
  But Charlie sort of accepts everything very easily, but
• 56:38
  especially he's in. The 90s and he's been watching
• 56:40
  Sliders. This is all very I can't really
• 56:44
  describe. Raiders of the Lost Ark?
• 56:45
  Yeah, sort of dungeon, 90s Dungeons and Dragons style.
• 56:50
  I mean, I'm not sure if they needed the bat flying around.
• 56:53
  Do you? Remember when the Cloister Room
• 56:54
  was just a a few ferns and a bit of Ivy?
• 56:57
  Of Ivy and Tom Baker looking miserable?
• 56:59
  Yeah. The TARDIS has had a redress.
• 57:03
  It's got a bit more melodramatic to see Cheegan getting lost in
• 57:07
  this. I'd like to speak to the pilot.
• 57:10
  The bat's coming around. What?
• 57:11
  The hell is this huge? Ball.
• 57:15
  She'll be there screaming. After Man's nose is ever in
• 57:18
  charge of this ship, well, somewhere there is Tegan's
• 57:23
  lipsticks scrawl on the side. Oh, hang on, we're getting to
• 57:26
  this bit in a second, aren't we? Where he realizes the Doctor is
• 57:29
  half human. OK, the half human stuff.
• 57:32
  I'm not bothered about that. It doesn't matter, does she?
• 57:34
  Been fucking then. Oh no, his mum.
• 57:36
  Dad. Is his mum human or his dad?
• 57:40
  Did he say his mother's side? So his mum's human.
• 57:43
  So a time law came to work and had sex with a woman.
• 57:45
  But doesn't this, Doesn't this? Isn't this where Longborough
• 57:50
  came in? Where they explained that Lila
• 57:51
  was actually the Doctor Leader and Andrea are the Doctor's
• 57:54
  parents. Oh, for something like that?
• 57:57
  Isn't that in Longborough? Platt's gone and that's what the
• 58:00
  implication is. So that's a half.
• 58:02
  That's where the half human thing comes from as well.
• 58:04
  OK, but that was just before this I suppose.
• 58:08
  You pulled the stare from the stone.
• 58:11
  The music. Listen to this music.
• 58:13
  It's. So dramatic, the Eye of Harmony
• 58:20
  is opening. Is that euphemism?
• 58:28
  And here we go. This is more info on what the
• 58:30
  master is. Who the?
• 58:31
  Master is all this stuff Grace needs catching up on.
• 58:34
  I think Matthew Jacobs, right, is absolutely brilliant when
• 58:37
  he's doing relationship dramas in this, yeah.
• 58:40
  But when he's got to do exposition, nobody can make this
• 58:43
  stuff sound convincing. I would just have the kiss.
• 58:46
  Controversial kiss at the time, I mean.
• 58:48
  That was now is it thing going on?
• 58:50
  He's. Looking at Clara's skirt
• 58:51
  nowadays and all sorts, what did you think of the kiss at the
• 58:54
  time? I didn't mind it so much.
• 58:58
  I'm not one of those gays that's like, oh, how dare Doctor Who be
• 59:01
  heterosexual. And I just feel like all the
• 59:03
  other heroes. I I get the complaint.
• 59:05
  I mean, that kiss there is excitable.
• 59:08
  I've just remembered kiss at the end.
• 59:10
  One is more of a romantic kiss. I'm pleased it was Paul McGann
• 59:13
  and Daphne Ashbrook and not Sylvester McCoy.
• 59:17
  Well, my granddad watched all of Doctor Who from the beginning.
• 59:21
  I was like a big William Martin or fan and everything and sat
• 59:23
  down to watch this and the moment Doctor and Grace kissed.
• 59:27
  He switched off. He switched it off.
• 59:28
  He went Oh, and then switched off and went.
• 59:30
  And then when Rose was on, he watched all of the Christian
• 59:34
  records in the series. And right at the end, where the
• 59:36
  Doctor and Rose kissed, he switched off and stopped
• 59:38
  watching. Good thing you weren't watching
• 59:40
  the Moffett era. He would have smashed his TV
• 59:43
  with a hammer. Yeah.
• 59:44
  So yeah, he got to this point in the story and was like, no, I
• 59:49
  can't deal with it anymore. Can you ask answer a question
• 59:53
  for me please? Why does he?
• 59:55
  Suddenly say I need a brilliant atomic clock.
• 59:59
  What? Why does it need one?
• 1:00:01
  Well, because it's the only technology on Earth that can.
• 1:00:04
  Shut the Eye of Harmony. Shut the Eye of Harmony I.
• 1:00:06
  Don't actually specifically say that though, do they?
• 1:00:08
  I need a brilliant, you know, he's like, I need a brilliant
• 1:00:11
  clock and then it just happens to be on the news that they've.
• 1:00:13
  Got this brilliant there in San Francisco, where they are.
• 1:00:16
  There just happens to be the exact clock, naturally.
• 1:00:20
  The most accurate atomic clock in the world.
• 1:00:24
  It just happens to be there, yeah.
• 1:00:27
  Poor Daffy that's trying to get through all this exposition.
• 1:00:30
  Oh, that's a bit more of a curly wig that he's got on there in
• 1:00:32
  this scene. I love it when when she is
• 1:00:35
  saying all this shit and she goes Oh my God and she starts
• 1:00:38
  looking around her like someone help me and then all of a sudden
• 1:00:42
  she just goes no and it runs off.
• 1:00:46
  Can I just go back to the Radio Times a minute?
• 1:00:48
  Because there's some amazing prizes available.
• 1:00:50
  If you were watching at the time, what would you what would
• 1:00:55
  you like to win here? So we've got I mean, the star
• 1:00:57
  prize is a Doctor Who plaque created exclusively for Radio
• 1:01:01
  Times in Hollywood. Sealed inside is an actual.
• 1:01:04
  Created in Hollywood frame of film from the new production
• 1:01:08
  with the signatures of executive Producer Philip D Seagal and the
• 1:01:12
  Doctor Who in Radio Times logos. I wonder how much that is worth
• 1:01:16
  now. Would you also like video of the
• 1:01:18
  new TV movie worth 1499? Yes please.
• 1:01:22
  TARDIS T-shirt. Oh, AT shirt I'd love.
• 1:01:24
  And belt buckles on leather for leather.
• 1:01:28
  Belt Cyberman Designs or. Or logo designs we both like.
• 1:01:32
  The leather belt. They've got darling key rings.
• 1:01:34
  We've got posters featuring Eric Roberts as the master.
• 1:01:37
  I'll work on it. It's all time campus.
• 1:01:40
  We've got mouse mats showing Paul Megan outside the TARDIS.
• 1:01:44
  I want all of it. We've got postcard sets.
• 1:01:48
  We've got the books written by Gary Russell with eight pages of
• 1:01:51
  colour stills from the film Oh my God.
• 1:01:54
  But also a whole. It's like Satly Satly Swap Shop.
• 1:01:57
  You could win audio sets. A unique collection of two
• 1:02:00
  cassettes. Planet of the Dialects, Read by
• 1:02:01
  John Perry in Attack of the Cybermen, read by Colin Baker.
• 1:02:05
  Both cassettes Worth 599. What?
• 1:02:09
  Did you ever read Colin Baker's Perry in that?
• 1:02:12
  No. Oh, blacker.
• 1:02:14
  Or you could win a family pass to Doctor Who Exhibition at
• 1:02:17
  Lower D Mill Langloughlin. Usual price 10 lbs, which houses
• 1:02:22
  the largest collection of memorabilia from BBCTV series,
• 1:02:24
  including costumes, props, light and sound effects.
• 1:02:28
  That's where Dapple was. OK, I'll ask you another
• 1:02:32
  question. Why is the Eye of Harmony
• 1:02:34
  causing windows to to melt like this?
• 1:02:39
  It's the instability of the Earth.
• 1:02:42
  Oh really? Well, it starts in subtle ways
• 1:02:45
  and then soon in catastrophic ways.
• 1:02:47
  By midnight tonight. Yes.
• 1:02:49
  What? The planet will be sucked inside
• 1:02:51
  out. I'm getting the bed and
• 1:02:52
  psychiatric. Dear, Oh dear, Have you ever
• 1:02:56
  sucked anyone inside out at midnight?
• 1:03:00
  Oh my God, can I say the line? I'm going to need a bed and
• 1:03:02
  psychiatric. Better make a tilt.
• 1:03:08
  Oh, it's great. I mean.
• 1:03:10
  I feel logically it doesn't make a lot of sense this.
• 1:03:14
  I think this is where, yeah, the plot doesn't really, but it's
• 1:03:17
  not. It's not really about that, is
• 1:03:19
  it's? The Doctor needs to stop the
• 1:03:20
  Master. What's that line all about
• 1:03:22
  there? About losing weight because the
• 1:03:24
  metabolism of the world is out of sync.
• 1:03:26
  Well, why is that going to affect his weight?
• 1:03:29
  The metabolism of the world, Well, I mean, I've just.
• 1:03:31
  I mean. You make a fortune in the
• 1:03:33
  weightlap. With dialogue like that, you've
• 1:03:37
  got to have some sort of visual clues, haven't you?
• 1:03:39
  And. Here we are.
• 1:03:40
  He's on the news. The atomic mark.
• 1:03:41
  This. Is the precursors of Trinity
• 1:03:44
  Wells? Aren't they the new this is the
• 1:03:46
  Trinity Wells of the time? So you're going to be there,
• 1:03:48
  aren't you? Naturally.
• 1:03:51
  Look at these two together. They're just made for each
• 1:03:54
  other, aren't they? Megad and Ashbrook forever.
• 1:03:56
  He's got a different wig there, I think.
• 1:03:58
  Stop cutting on a page once you see it.
• 1:04:01
  You can't. Buy them again, Wig.
• 1:04:02
  All right. OK, you.
• 1:04:04
  Want me so? Are they available?
• 1:04:06
  I bet they've got something in The Who shop.
• 1:04:08
  They absolutely should be. But doing the news reports, it's
• 1:04:16
  very new series again, isn't it? And we cut to that during the
• 1:04:20
  catastrophic climax of the adventure.
• 1:04:22
  In fact, if you look at the climax of this adventure, a lot
• 1:04:25
  of the visuals look a bit like the visuals at the end of
• 1:04:28
  Boomtown. The electricity coming down over
• 1:04:30
  the city cracks in the floor. Do you think this has more to do
• 1:04:34
  with new series of survival then?
• 1:04:38
  I think it's a good, it's a good.
• 1:04:39
  It bridges the gap between this and Oh my God, of course it's
• 1:04:43
  the master. I think this is where an advert
• 1:04:45
  break was in America. Does the Doctor know it's the
• 1:04:53
  Master? I I'm not sure if it's clear.
• 1:04:57
  I think maybe in the back of his mind.
• 1:04:59
  What I love there is the unspoken bit, he goes, I need
• 1:05:02
  you to take me to this place. And Grace is looking at him
• 1:05:04
  going, no, we're going to the site and he goes, yeah 'cause I
• 1:05:07
  know where it is, yeah. Oh, and if Grace had just looked
• 1:05:10
  through and saw Chang Lee driving the ambulance, she would
• 1:05:12
  know. She would recognize him.
• 1:05:13
  I. Want you to go from the
• 1:05:14
  hospital? The dialogue here is great.
• 1:05:17
  Do you kiss Madam Curry too? This is what this is.
• 1:05:20
  Excuse me? Sorry, did you kiss Madam Curry
• 1:05:23
  too? Naturally, it's as good as me as
• 1:05:27
  well as you. And this is what we want more of
• 1:05:31
  Doctor and Grace in these situations.
• 1:05:33
  Yeah, quick talk. There's loads of it.
• 1:05:35
  Now this is what we could you could just.
• 1:05:36
  Imagine the whole movie show. Episodes.
• 1:05:39
  In this in other on other planets in other times.
• 1:05:42
  That's right. Here's a Time Lord, all of this
• 1:05:44
  stuff going on, you know, you could see this happening in like
• 1:05:46
  a Victorian carriage sometime or, you know.
• 1:05:50
  But think think of Tennant and Donna.
• 1:05:52
  I think of Matt Smith and Clara. It's that sort of fast-paced
• 1:05:57
  dialogue, isn't it? What's going on here with the
• 1:05:59
  chickens? Something's held up the road and
• 1:06:01
  it's the chicken thing. Obviously.
• 1:06:04
  What are the chosen chickens? I don't know.
• 1:06:06
  There's a there's a wonderful bit in a minute where they go
• 1:06:09
  running right then the camera swings round, the chicken goes.
• 1:06:15
  Oh Christ. I mean, I think that's pretty
• 1:06:17
  cool, the way he gunks out of his mouth.
• 1:06:19
  Like, I mean, I'm glad we didn't have this ability back in the
• 1:06:22
  80s or. There was plenty of gunk in the
• 1:06:24
  80s. What are you talking about?
• 1:06:26
  Yeah, no, but imagine if he was doing that all over the place.
• 1:06:28
  Auntie Aynley was gunking all over everybody.
• 1:06:32
  There's been a few times when I've been covered in gunk and
• 1:06:34
  gone. Get it off me.
• 1:06:35
  Get it? Off me look look like chicken.
• 1:06:40
  Oh, this scene in a minute is just perfect.
• 1:06:45
  No, take it, he's British. Oh, I love that.
• 1:06:50
  When he offers a Jelly baby and he goes.
• 1:06:55
  And how doctorates, is it to say release us or I'll shoot myself?
• 1:07:00
  You see there's stuff like the Jelly babies you could add that,
• 1:07:03
  that could be. And you know that's perfect.
• 1:07:05
  It's all the extra, you know, the Eye of Harmony, the 900 year
• 1:07:09
  diary, all that kind of stuff, but just having the Jelly.
• 1:07:11
  But that's all you need as a reference back if you were going
• 1:07:14
  forward. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:15
  Yeah, you don't need anything else.
• 1:07:17
  There's far too much that story and detail in this.
• 1:07:19
  They want to prove that they're making Doctor Who.
• 1:07:21
  Yeah, there's two things you bring forward, and there's
• 1:07:24
  certain things you just sort of leave in the decade that it was
• 1:07:27
  left in. I can't make your dream come
• 1:07:29
  true. But I can make it come true
• 1:07:30
  today. Oh, I love this When she goes
• 1:07:34
  get. The keys.
• 1:07:35
  There's an alternative scene, isn't there, of this, of this
• 1:07:40
  bit where I think it might be on the delete where where it's like
• 1:07:43
  given the keys. Actually I don't know.
• 1:07:45
  I've heard. I've recently heard the the
• 1:07:48
  audio book of this, so I don't maybe that's in it, but in when
• 1:07:52
  it's given the keys, everybody in the traffic jam and everyone
• 1:07:54
  goes. Give him the key.
• 1:07:56
  No, no, no. It's an outtake that's an
• 1:07:58
  alternative version of it. Should have made it into that,
• 1:08:00
  made it into the novel. Maybe it was in the original
• 1:08:03
  script? This is the.
• 1:08:04
  Second time I would like to turn it up now because I just want
• 1:08:07
  everyone to hear how great the music is in this.
• 1:08:09
  You ready? OK, it's car chase.
• 1:08:11
  Ahoy. Well, you've got have a car
• 1:08:13
  chase. I mean, it's Doctor Who haven't
• 1:08:19
  been this exciting. No, I mean what the nearest
• 1:08:23
  we've had is Bestie going up and.
• 1:08:26
  Down this and ambassadors of death.
• 1:08:30
  Look at the editing as they go through the two vans though.
• 1:08:34
  Breathe in, Liz. That's what they needed.
• 1:08:39
  That's what. They.
• 1:08:40
  Needed. In a lot of the Purpley stories
• 1:08:43
  he should have had a motorbike instead of Bessie, and Liz would
• 1:08:45
  have got on the back of that and they would have had amazing
• 1:08:49
  chases. That's what we needed.
• 1:08:50
  I think all this part of the movie is heaven.
• 1:08:58
  Oh, I think that's a stunt. Paul McGann There I saw the
• 1:09:00
  face. Responded it Terry Welsh the 90s
• 1:09:03
  Just. Went past there.
• 1:09:06
  What are you doing, Lee? I know what I'm doing.
• 1:09:09
  Trust me. I just do every line, don't you?
• 1:09:14
  Hey, I finally met the right guy and he's from another planet.
• 1:09:18
  I mean, if they had a budget, they could have had The Who
• 1:09:20
  mobile flying around flying above San Francisco.
• 1:09:25
  This was the one. Time They did have their budget.
• 1:09:30
  The the scary thing is right, is I think certain episodes of the
• 1:09:32
  new series have a bigger budget than 5 million.
• 1:09:35
  Yeah. Oh yeah, I think.
• 1:09:37
  So they don't look as good as this.
• 1:09:38
  They don't look as good as this. I'm sorry, but I think you've
• 1:09:41
  got all the you've got Hollywood behind this.
• 1:09:43
  I mean, it's Amblin and Spielberg and all of that.
• 1:09:46
  I mean the. I mean the car chases.
• 1:09:48
  I mean the the roads are pretty empty for a car chase, you know
• 1:09:51
  they have. There's another extraneous
• 1:09:53
  character, the man just trying to steal the the tyre off the
• 1:09:56
  car there. Is he still in the car or what
• 1:09:59
  was he doing? It's just a bit of extra.
• 1:10:01
  Oh, do you know my favorite one is my favorite extraneous
• 1:10:04
  character is the fellow who goes to the TARDIS on the bike and
• 1:10:06
  then comes out, I guess. Yeah, I can't stop the brakes.
• 1:10:13
  That was definitely in the trailer.
• 1:10:15
  When she goes, I find him out. The right guide is from another
• 1:10:18
  planet. Oh man, Do you think there's
• 1:10:22
  ever a time where you wouldn't enjoy this?
• 1:10:24
  No. Why?
• 1:10:26
  I thought. It's just so much fun, isn't it?
• 1:10:27
  It's. So much fun you don't need.
• 1:10:30
  You shouldn't really think about the plot too much.
• 1:10:32
  I'll say it again a million times in this post.
• 1:10:34
  COVID. Miserable Tory Britain watching
• 1:10:37
  this is absolute heaven. I think this is advert.
• 1:10:44
  Advert. Break Yeah.
• 1:10:46
  Oh, all the party scenes now. Oh, here we go.
• 1:10:49
  This is Professor Wag from London.
• 1:10:51
  I'm on the board of trustees. Thank you very much.
• 1:10:56
  This looks like a great pie, doesn't it?
• 1:10:59
  I feel like they've put a bit of money into this, like all the
• 1:11:02
  balloons have gone on the budget well also and talk about the
• 1:11:04
  Millennium and everything. This is before we had talk in
• 1:11:07
  the Millennium bug and all of those things.
• 1:11:08
  This is 96. I don't remember talking of
• 1:11:11
  Millennium bug being no only a few years before you sort of
• 1:11:17
  forget that it's set in the future at the time.
• 1:11:21
  Mark Grace says that you have a big secret.
• 1:11:24
  What is it? I'm half human on Mother's side.
• 1:11:32
  Thank you very much. Look at that pie.
• 1:11:36
  That's phrase all got on. There we go.
• 1:11:39
  There's all the Trinity Wells is.
• 1:11:41
  I wonder where this is. It's a bloody big building you
• 1:11:43
  can go. It's on the location website.
• 1:11:46
  Oh, look, is that clock still there?
• 1:11:48
  I I don't think this is real. San Francisco Meme time.
• 1:11:54
  Oh boy. I don't think this story would
• 1:11:56
  have worked if it was set in London though.
• 1:11:58
  He only needs the smallest part of it.
• 1:12:00
  No, it works. Because it's an America.
• 1:12:02
  All these people that are at this party, have any of them
• 1:12:05
  done any Doctor Who signings? I wonder?
• 1:12:06
  No. Gareth, Gareth, Gareth.
• 1:12:09
  He's been on flight for entirety.
• 1:12:11
  He's a massive Doctor Who fan. Oh, I love Gareth.
• 1:12:15
  Answer the second question on your exam.
• 1:12:18
  Oh, Professor Wags. So, like, this is very Doctor
• 1:12:21
  Who in American program. The professor would be sort of
• 1:12:26
  very dull. And he's a bit quirky, isn't he?
• 1:12:28
  An idiosyncratic No, no. I am the only one who has a
• 1:12:34
  pals. Look.
• 1:12:37
  Definitely asked for acting behind him.
• 1:12:40
  If you just look at her everything, expressions, she's
• 1:12:43
  just doing that amazing. Amazing Grace.
• 1:12:46
  Oh, she is amazing. Grace, look at her that even
• 1:12:49
  just she's out of shock, but you can still tell.
• 1:12:52
  I'm half human. A moment of a side I like.
• 1:12:57
  Oh, this is great. Yes, I think you must be.
• 1:13:00
  Oh. Oh.
• 1:13:04
  I think he got zipped his trousers, that's why she read.
• 1:13:09
  I can't believe there's a Dick joke in this before Steven
• 1:13:12
  Moffett, isn't it? What is it they say?
• 1:13:16
  They say that on my planet too, Yeah.
• 1:13:21
  They stuff feel like some quirky American heist movie now, don't
• 1:13:24
  it, You think? Actually Edmond Sliders would
• 1:13:28
  have been on at the time as well.
• 1:13:29
  It's it's got that Sliders vibe sometimes.
• 1:13:32
  Look at Daphne Ashbrook. She is loving every second of
• 1:13:34
  this. Oh, I love.
• 1:13:38
  Her more I know. I want more, Gareth.
• 1:13:46
  You see, you need psychic paper when you can just go.
• 1:13:48
  I know you. Look at Daphne acting now she.
• 1:13:53
  Looks very confused. About everything.
• 1:13:57
  Oh, we love you. Definitely Ashbrook.
• 1:14:01
  Oh, Jelly. But of course it's a Jelly baby.
• 1:14:05
  We've had Tom Baker scarf. We've had the Jelly babies.
• 1:14:07
  Anything else? Is that the only bit he gets?
• 1:14:10
  I know he gets a little kiss. At the end, don't he by the
• 1:14:12
  girl? But then how does he know all
• 1:14:15
  this stuff? He's looked into the web of time
• 1:14:17
  all these times. You mean that, don't you?
• 1:14:25
  My God. Oh my God, the master Mark.
• 1:14:27
  There's a kid who took a. Stuff.
• 1:14:33
  Oh my God, this is the filthiest scene ever now.
• 1:14:36
  All these guards covered in calm.
• 1:14:39
  It's pretty grim. This isn't it.
• 1:14:42
  We. Didn't see that happening.
• 1:14:44
  People, they have to throw up to cover them.
• 1:14:48
  Excuse me, That's a lot. How much come you've thrown up
• 1:14:54
  in your life? Oh my God, this is great.
• 1:14:59
  Of course they escaped down the hose, don't they?
• 1:15:01
  Down the building. It's a very Hollywood way of
• 1:15:03
  doing it. And they've got the organ game.
• 1:15:08
  It's the the American equivalent of, oh, Professor Wag, you're
• 1:15:15
  going to be trampled. He's the modern version of
• 1:15:20
  Professor Kettle. Well, isn't he?
• 1:15:22
  He just needs the extra bit of hair.
• 1:15:23
  He looks like him. Miss Winters there.
• 1:15:25
  Incompetent poops. I love it when they get the door
• 1:15:30
  open. Why is there a guy Hoover in the
• 1:15:32
  floor? They're in the middle of the
• 1:15:33
  party. Did you see what he did?
• 1:15:35
  He gets the door and he goes. Doctor, you would not have that
• 1:15:38
  guy cleaning there with all this stuff when the party literally
• 1:15:43
  was happening a few minutes ago in the middle of all this
• 1:15:45
  dinner. That does not make sense.
• 1:15:46
  Did you see the policeman there who drove his car up just in
• 1:15:50
  time for the Doctor and Grace to land on him?
• 1:15:52
  As they're coming down the building on the hose, I thought
• 1:15:55
  someone should do an essay on the extraneous characters of the
• 1:15:58
  TV movie. We've seen so many so far.
• 1:16:00
  Different ones, isn't it? That's a whole like little short
• 1:16:02
  story. Going on in their lives, Yeah,
• 1:16:03
  it'd be like a nice charity ontology.
• 1:16:06
  It could be like the the people that the doctor touched in San
• 1:16:09
  Francisco. No, I mean their lives.
• 1:16:15
  The San Francisco Diaries. Can you tell me my future?
• 1:16:19
  No, Oh. Come on.
• 1:16:22
  Oh, this is all great as well. TARDIS.
• 1:16:24
  Where'd you leave your key mark? In a covering hole above the.
• 1:16:27
  P Great minds, they collect. Oh, she does the thing, doesn't
• 1:16:34
  she? Where she goes.
• 1:16:35
  Oh, that explains the dimensional transcendentalism
• 1:16:37
  when you. Walk in the doors or she Yeah,
• 1:16:39
  yeah. She is a confident, sassy miss.
• 1:16:43
  That is a strange coat she's wearing.
• 1:16:46
  Oh, and you have. Yeah, this motorbike joke is
• 1:16:49
  funny. It is a great visual gag this
• 1:16:52
  they really they're editing does it.
• 1:16:55
  And the sound effects of him turning around, going I'm
• 1:16:57
  turning. Around.
• 1:16:59
  Again, and she just goes, Oh my. Really, every time we're in this
• 1:17:11
  set I just looking around the edges and looking in the
• 1:17:15
  background and you see something different every time, like a
• 1:17:17
  statue. Or a Do you know why it's so
• 1:17:19
  evocative? Look at all the different
• 1:17:21
  lighting sources. There's candles in there.
• 1:17:23
  It's lit from above. It's lit from the rotor.
• 1:17:26
  It's just really interestingly, this is the best TARDIS lighting
• 1:17:29
  since Enlightenment part one. Better than that, I just turned
• 1:17:33
  the lights orange. Battlefield Part One not.
• 1:17:36
  The worst. Oh, they make grace evil now,
• 1:17:41
  yeah? How does she know about spatial
• 1:17:45
  displacement as you go through the door?
• 1:17:47
  Oh, there we go. See he.
• 1:17:50
  Needs that shut the. Eye.
• 1:17:52
  So that's it. We've done it about all these
• 1:17:53
  leaves everywhere. I suppose that's what the
• 1:17:55
  Cloister Room was back back in the day.
• 1:17:58
  So got this? Yeah, Well, I mean.
• 1:18:01
  They've done it too late. Yeah, I think so.
• 1:18:04
  He needs to go back in time before it's too late, yeah.
• 1:18:08
  Why? I don't know.
• 1:18:11
  It don't make it. Don't make very much sense, does
• 1:18:13
  it? This might be the bit where
• 1:18:16
  Terence was saying it was incoherent crap.
• 1:18:18
  Oh, with the ceiling scanner. I didn't like it at first, the
• 1:18:22
  ceiling scanner, but I've got used to it now it just doesn't
• 1:18:25
  understand. What is wrong with you?
• 1:18:26
  This has been reliable, a broken clack because it came on.
• 1:18:36
  Oh, this whole scene is great. You must have the answer.
• 1:18:41
  You must. What about the future, Gareth?
• 1:18:44
  Mean the city you've not noticed that like water bottle on the
• 1:18:47
  side of the TARDIS there before? Now that's the rotor.
• 1:18:50
  That ain't a water bottle on the side.
• 1:18:52
  There's a bottle. Or is that someone on the
• 1:18:54
  camera? But like that Starbucks cup in
• 1:18:56
  Game of Thrones? Looks like he's been drinking
• 1:18:58
  something on the. Come from some weird thing.
• 1:19:04
  This is great to have these shots between.
• 1:19:05
  Between the two. In in the middle of that look,
• 1:19:07
  there's a bottle on the side. Look.
• 1:19:08
  Oh. Yeah, As for one of the crew,
• 1:19:12
  I'll bet it's got so many possibilities of different
• 1:19:14
  angles to shoot through, through and round.
• 1:19:17
  I just think there's so many, but there's also so many
• 1:19:19
  possibilities with this dynamic. Yeah, this would have fuelled a
• 1:19:22
  series or two easily. I just watched these two just
• 1:19:25
  chatting in the TARDIS, arguing all day.
• 1:19:27
  Please. Oh, she bashes him over the head
• 1:19:30
  now, and she look. Oh, evil black contact lenses
• 1:19:35
  are in. Those are the same contact
• 1:19:37
  lenses they gave Luxana, Troy. You know, the black ones?
• 1:19:40
  Oh yeah, yeah, that's that's my whole point.
• 1:19:43
  I'd hate to have those. Oh, you can't see much out of
• 1:19:45
  them. Oh yeah, it must be horrible.
• 1:19:47
  Sort of it when these sisters were put it on in grace, I
• 1:19:51
  suspect you know how is? He suggested.
• 1:19:53
  She's into bondage. Not sure what's that line
• 1:19:57
  supposed to mean. She's been taken over by evil.
• 1:19:59
  Last. Oh, OK.
• 1:20:01
  She's a kinky bitch. Did.
• 1:20:04
  You see? Brian earlier.
• 1:20:06
  He looked kinky for me. That's it.
• 1:20:11
  Daphne stare evilly into the camera.
• 1:20:15
  Why didn't he take? Why didn't he just?
• 1:20:17
  Get Chang Li taken over. Did you ever hear all the the
• 1:20:21
  comparisons between Chang Li and Adric?
• 1:20:23
  The attribution. Went by.
• 1:20:24
  The master just like the same way change it is.
• 1:20:26
  It is basically the Attrac of the 90s, isn't it?
• 1:20:28
  The. Attrac Yeah, I never thought of.
• 1:20:30
  That pretty soon everything around here will be the master.
• 1:20:33
  You have like an Artful Dodger type.
• 1:20:35
  Just like the plants are the danger.
• 1:20:39
  Oh God, I always dress with the occasion.
• 1:20:45
  And it's it's just off of a Time Lord collar, isn't it?
• 1:20:48
  It's just almost there. It's no, no.
• 1:20:51
  He could have just come down. This is the first time they're
• 1:20:53
  acknowledging how fucking camp those costumes are.
• 1:20:56
  And they are. Did you see them all in the five
• 1:20:59
  doctors they looked? Obscenely had that costume at
• 1:21:02
  the Doctor Who experience. It was in the in the foyer bit I
• 1:21:05
  think. No, you couldn't touch it, but I
• 1:21:07
  saw it. It looks oh.
• 1:21:08
  Look at this, he kisses. Chang Lee, There's something
• 1:21:11
  kinky going on here, I'll tell you.
• 1:21:15
  And then he suggests there's something kinky going on between
• 1:21:17
  her and the Doctor. It's a whole kink fest, I.
• 1:21:20
  Mean you can read all sorts into it like you have.
• 1:21:22
  I do. I think Eric Roberts just goes
• 1:21:28
  to town on the camp now. Basically, this is the campus
• 1:21:31
  thing we've seen. This is Katamara and Tom with
• 1:21:33
  the Rani. Oh, mention those two on screen
• 1:21:35
  together, Katamara and Eric Roberts.
• 1:21:38
  And she could kick him in the nuts like she did with Anthony
• 1:21:40
  Angry. This one hurt much.
• 1:21:44
  He's basically a cartoon villain now.
• 1:21:47
  Oh, here we are, the the party. I love the bit.
• 1:21:50
  Where doesn't somebody like, put something in his face, though?
• 1:21:55
  That's a bit later. On.
• 1:21:56
  Isn't it that strange mask she's wearing?
• 1:21:58
  Mask. I thought like this bit where
• 1:21:59
  he's got his, his he's got his tray, he's plate so far, he
• 1:22:04
  froze his plate of food. Yeah, about 5 seconds after he
• 1:22:07
  blows feet in his face. Oh oh.
• 1:22:11
  Professor Wags having his moment here.
• 1:22:13
  He. Looks a bit like Barry Letts
• 1:22:14
  there, didn't he? But what is lovely is we've had
• 1:22:18
  little scenes with all these people.
• 1:22:20
  They're all at this party. So the climax does have some
• 1:22:23
  kind of emotional risk. We don't want these lovely comic
• 1:22:25
  characters to die and. This is a very is it quick
• 1:22:29
  orangey sort of image I feel. Yeah, with a thing.
• 1:22:33
  It's a shame. Though, 'cause he's in that for
• 1:22:35
  so long, we just want. Bit more Doctor.
• 1:22:37
  He's either memory loss doctor when we get peak Dr. And now
• 1:22:42
  we're just bondage doctor. I Bondage doctor.
• 1:22:45
  It's why we want Russell T to bring him back for a miniseries
• 1:22:48
  or something, just so we've got more.
• 1:22:50
  Obviously the false alarm is over and everyone's back in
• 1:22:52
  their seats and the Hoover guy has gone away now.
• 1:22:56
  Yeah, the Hoover guy. Another extraneous character.
• 1:22:59
  The extraneous characters of the TV movie Oh look.
• 1:23:04
  There's another extraneous character, the the Chinese guy
• 1:23:06
  who just goes. I don't know what's wrong with
• 1:23:08
  the clock. I love all this is so many.
• 1:23:12
  Lee, this is your last. Chance.
• 1:23:14
  This is my only chance. He's right, Doctor.
• 1:23:17
  No, gangs only. Death.
• 1:23:21
  That must have been so uncomfortable for Paul McGann.
• 1:23:25
  I have wasted all of my life. Really doesn't.
• 1:23:30
  I now I remember Hollywood insisted that they had a big
• 1:23:36
  climax in the close room. They wanted a big fight.
• 1:23:39
  I actually think it really works, because it's fishing.
• 1:23:41
  Yeah, you couldn't just have the sort of sucking, non sucking you
• 1:23:44
  need that, that fighting. Pardon, I I mean, I can see why
• 1:23:49
  it's it's a very Hollywood moment, but.
• 1:23:52
  I get that in a You need that in a Doctor Who story.
• 1:23:54
  You need a climax in a Doctor Who story anyway, I actually
• 1:23:56
  think. Else you're going to do because
• 1:23:57
  you haven't got your. Alien invasion E moment.
• 1:24:00
  This is your alien invasion E moment.
• 1:24:02
  It's one of the few times where you can see just how much the
• 1:24:04
  Master hates the Doctor. He is really trying to kill him,
• 1:24:09
  and him getting sucked into the Eye of Harmony is great.
• 1:24:14
  I think it's look at. This, he snips his.
• 1:24:16
  Neck. Oh, he's he's quite violent.
• 1:24:19
  Yeah, there's a lot, I mean. Eric Saywood will be loving
• 1:24:23
  this. You have to see.
• 1:24:27
  The consequence of the violence, you know.
• 1:24:29
  Some of you stopped her in that voice.
• 1:24:30
  Please. Oh, my God.
• 1:24:34
  You see the way he kisses her now?
• 1:24:35
  He sort of sucks the juice out of her.
• 1:24:38
  Why'd you get kissed like that? Once?
• 1:24:39
  It was very unpleasant about being sucked by an industrial
• 1:24:42
  vacuum cleaner. Oh, now she's human.
• 1:24:47
  Oh, this is where she gets to say today.
• 1:24:49
  Yeah. I do think that gives her a lot
• 1:24:53
  of agency though. She's the one that re rats the
• 1:24:56
  power. My God.
• 1:25:00
  Lights in everyone's faces. The camera's shaking, There's
• 1:25:03
  dry ice everywhere, leaves are blowing up.
• 1:25:05
  What had those leaves get in the TARDIS?
• 1:25:08
  Yeah, I said that earlier. Wow.
• 1:25:10
  I don't know when it's the close room.
• 1:25:11
  There, there was leaves with full filter and attitude.
• 1:25:14
  Wasn't it? Oh, just the plants.
• 1:25:15
  Yeah, fair enough. Must be a lot of plants.
• 1:25:18
  There's a lot of leaves. Oh, she's getting her sight
• 1:25:22
  back. Oh, the music is great.
• 1:25:26
  Bum bum bum bum bum bum bum. I just feel sorry for him again,
• 1:25:31
  having to shout and be in that for probably days on end.
• 1:25:36
  All his eyes look sore. Oh, I love this.
• 1:25:40
  So I want to you and I to have mobile like this.
• 1:25:42
  One day you'll die. If I leave you.
• 1:25:44
  We'll all die if you don't. Run, Joe, Run.
• 1:25:50
  Oh. This is all I aspire to in like
• 1:25:52
  electric around the TARDIS. Yeah, very Boomtown, yeah.
• 1:25:55
  And this is where a bit of stock footage of cities around the
• 1:25:58
  world coming up. Yeah, very Rusty Davis.
• 1:26:00
  Very new series again. Oh, I love this.
• 1:26:03
  And that the bit with the head and he sort of has a sort of
• 1:26:06
  leopardy type yeah face well. Maybe that's a cheater, people.
• 1:26:10
  Oh, of course. Survival.
• 1:26:15
  Do you see where he goes? I could hear your thoughts,
• 1:26:17
  Doctor. I could see your memory.
• 1:26:18
  So he sees him kissing. He goes oh, oh.
• 1:26:22
  What if Ace has been in her bedroom this whole time?
• 1:26:24
  She comes out. She's like, what's coming this?
• 1:26:26
  On who are you? This has been going on.
• 1:26:28
  You're not the professor. Yes, I am Ace.
• 1:26:36
  Oh my God, it's all go do. You know, at this point I
• 1:26:40
  literally do not give a shit. It doesn't matter the plot, it
• 1:26:42
  does not make any sense. It doesn't you.
• 1:26:44
  Wouldn't just watch the pretty images, yeah, watch the great
• 1:26:48
  acting. 30 seconds, 2928. So we've actually got them
• 1:26:54
  counted down to their own doom. It's very clever, using New
• 1:26:58
  Year's like this, yeah. There we go.
• 1:27:00
  There's this sort of weird master face.
• 1:27:03
  Effect. I don't think that was
• 1:27:04
  deliberately leaning into survival though.
• 1:27:05
  Oh. You can read into that.
• 1:27:09
  Oh Christ, you don't look good. And they are all counting down.
• 1:27:17
  Yeah, that bit with the when he turns his face.
• 1:27:19
  Oh, it's a little bit of it. Like Leonine, isn't it?
• 1:27:23
  More extraneous characters. They're counting down.
• 1:27:26
  I thought surgery was difficult. They should get all of those.
• 1:27:29
  Look the San Francisco Science going out.
• 1:27:32
  They should get all those people that are at that party to do a
• 1:27:35
  doctor convention at some point. He gets his Frankenstein over,
• 1:27:39
  doesn't he goes, I'm alone. Yeah.
• 1:27:44
  So does that make this a master story rather than a doctor's
• 1:27:47
  story? What?
• 1:27:47
  Do you mean? Oh, it seems to be all about the
• 1:27:50
  master now, doesn't it? That's I think that's the
• 1:27:53
  problem. You just don't get enough
• 1:27:54
  doctor. It's too many cooks, I'm telling
• 1:27:56
  you. You've got to do it.
• 1:27:59
  Oh, I can't do it. There we go.
• 1:28:02
  I. Can't do it.
• 1:28:03
  Can you do it? I can't do that.
• 1:28:07
  Hey, fireworks. This when I first watched it.
• 1:28:11
  This was a bit off, so confused. What was going on?
• 1:28:14
  Yeah, I never. All the world starts tearing up.
• 1:28:16
  Yeah, I never got it. But you know, she's going back
• 1:28:18
  to the point before the Iron Company was open.
• 1:28:20
  She's managed to rewrite the tardy rewire, the TARDIS.
• 1:28:24
  It's going back into the temporal orbit now.
• 1:28:29
  I mean. For.
• 1:28:31
  Doctor Who doesn't do this the whole time travel thing in terms
• 1:28:36
  of time loops and all that much. This sort of new series.
• 1:28:41
  This does make as much sense with time travel wise as the
• 1:28:44
  Stephen Moffitt script. So I, you know, I do object to
• 1:28:47
  those, I don't object to this. What's going on here?
• 1:28:50
  Look. Well, I think this is going back
• 1:28:52
  in time. So was the world destroyed or
• 1:28:55
  not? Well, no, because she's going
• 1:28:56
  back before it has, and it's all resetting everything.
• 1:28:58
  Did you see that? She's going back to the point
• 1:29:00
  of. Professor Wag died on a burp.
• 1:29:06
  Oh. Dear So the whole world's
• 1:29:08
  destroyed now, yeah? I think not.
• 1:29:10
  So yeah. And well, now we're going back.
• 1:29:12
  So it's not. It's all been UN unwritten now.
• 1:29:16
  It gets to go. No.
• 1:29:19
  I. Think if I'm right when the
• 1:29:21
  Master goes through into the I don't know whatever the I've
• 1:29:25
  harmony thing is there's I think he's been living out there
• 1:29:28
  because there's a Diary of River Song Big Finish episode, The
• 1:29:32
  Master living and it's after he's gone through this I think
• 1:29:37
  so. We've been asking that question
• 1:29:38
  forever. We're in temper orbit.
• 1:29:40
  What is it? We still don't know, do we?
• 1:29:44
  Oh, and then he pushes. I forgot.
• 1:29:46
  Oh, he pushes. This is nasty.
• 1:29:48
  That's cruel as well. I mean, there is an edge to
• 1:29:51
  this, isn't there? Like a sadistic edge to it.
• 1:29:54
  That's nice. You shouldn't be all safe.
• 1:29:56
  No, I know, I know, but. He's appalled.
• 1:30:00
  He's never going to snog her again.
• 1:30:02
  He does look for every inch the romantic hero now doesn't.
• 1:30:05
  He get enough of him running like that?
• 1:30:07
  No. Oh shit.
• 1:30:09
  This is this is your Hollywood fight.
• 1:30:10
  I love it. He kicks him in the face, kicks
• 1:30:14
  him in the stomach. Oh.
• 1:30:16
  I think that outfit is too nice to be like rolling around in
• 1:30:19
  fights and stuff, so. What the masters?
• 1:30:21
  Know the doctors. You want dominion over the
• 1:30:24
  living, but all you do is kill Do all.
• 1:30:26
  This action stuff. I think this is as close as
• 1:30:29
  they're going to get to examining the master, because.
• 1:30:32
  You want dominion over the living, but all you do is kill
• 1:30:34
  and the master goes. Life is wasted on the living.
• 1:30:37
  That's about it. I look slow motion.
• 1:30:41
  And he gets the and in he goes. That the light in his face.
• 1:30:47
  No, Doctor. That's a little bit comedy where
• 1:30:51
  he's been sucked down. Do you think?
• 1:30:55
  Comedy sucking. It's a bit of a comedy.
• 1:30:57
  Oh, and it's so limp, the way the Doctor offers his hand.
• 1:31:00
  He's like, well. Are you trying to give me lines
• 1:31:02
  here? You know that sort of noise when
• 1:31:06
  you suck people out? Oh my God.
• 1:31:08
  I mean, it is a bit comic, isn't it?
• 1:31:13
  I mean do. You have anything to say?
• 1:31:17
  No. Oh, the Masters did.
• 1:31:19
  And this is your your magic. Everyone comes back to like
• 1:31:23
  everybody lives. Moment.
• 1:31:24
  Excuse me, this is exactly what they did in the new series.
• 1:31:27
  How many times have I said that throughout this these are
• 1:31:30
  basically like the what were the particles called in Empty Child?
• 1:31:34
  Nano. Or just like regeneration
• 1:31:36
  energy. Yeah, this is regeneration
• 1:31:38
  energy because it's still got because it's just regenerated.
• 1:31:40
  And I do think you absolutely could wreck on it as that given
• 1:31:43
  what comes later. Now, going back in time, was
• 1:31:48
  that console. Oh, I'm really concerned about
• 1:31:51
  the news reader I love. Naturally, she did.
• 1:31:54
  No. Oh, about Gareth.
• 1:31:57
  See this statue? You see this statue?
• 1:32:00
  Yeah, like wrestle on. Is Gareth dead?
• 1:32:02
  No, it's Curtis dead. No, it's the guy who goes in the
• 1:32:05
  police car. Everybody lives.
• 1:32:07
  Everyone. That's very new series.
• 1:32:10
  Oh, I love John Lee's trainers there.
• 1:32:12
  Oh, look at this. Get those.
• 1:32:13
  He's silhouetted against the window with the wind blowing his
• 1:32:15
  hair. I mean, he's the romantic hero
• 1:32:18
  now, isn't it? Isn't this right?
• 1:32:25
  People hated this at the time, but this is the blueprint for
• 1:32:27
  the new. Series.
• 1:32:28
  There's there's regeneration energy coming.
• 1:32:30
  Out you tell me one regeneration story where they don't use
• 1:32:32
  regeneration energy at once? No.
• 1:32:34
  So do you think Russell T was paying attention?
• 1:32:36
  I think. So he loves this.
• 1:32:38
  He he absolutely loves this. Back to life, we've.
• 1:32:44
  Got our new TARDIS. Team I know the Doctor, Grace,
• 1:32:47
  Holloway and Chang Where? Would they go next right after
• 1:32:49
  this if they? Oh well, they're going to go
• 1:32:51
  back in time. Well, aren't they, of course.
• 1:32:53
  History. It'll be San Francisco in the
• 1:32:55
  1800s. San.
• 1:32:57
  Francisco, you know they. Could do.
• 1:32:59
  You know, like it's all Cardiff in the new series, San
• 1:33:01
  Francisco. In this, I feel like they're
• 1:33:03
  going to go. Japan or somewhere like that.
• 1:33:04
  Chang Li's going to see his ancestors.
• 1:33:07
  I think that's just this company.
• 1:33:12
  Yeah, that's going to say oh. Cuddles lovely.
• 1:33:15
  Oh, that lighting from that window and.
• 1:33:17
  That's Cela Russell on Who knew when we when it first turned up
• 1:33:20
  in Revenge of the Cybermen, that the Doctor and Grace would be
• 1:33:23
  hugging underneath it all these years later in America?
• 1:33:27
  I can seal my Russell on any day.
• 1:33:31
  What a sentimental old thing this TARDIS is.
• 1:33:34
  I love that line. Look at them coming down the
• 1:33:37
  stairs now. This feels like your new
• 1:33:38
  confident TARDIS team, doesn't it?
• 1:33:42
  I mean, and you could totally have an adventure inside this
• 1:33:44
  TARDIS. Journey to the centre of the
• 1:33:45
  TARDIS in this TARDIS. And then to bridge this between
• 1:33:48
  the old series and the new series, he gets the bit where he
• 1:33:51
  hits the console when it stops working.
• 1:33:53
  Davidson did that. Colin did that.
• 1:33:56
  David Tennant does that. This is the Doctor.
• 1:33:59
  Oh, that's a great line. Indigestion.
• 1:34:02
  It's the master in the TARDIS, and that adds storytelling
• 1:34:04
  possibilities later. Yeah, look at them there.
• 1:34:08
  Oh. Gallifrey.
• 1:34:09
  Gallifrey. Yes.
• 1:34:15
  Was he a good 5 minutes in this whole thing?
• 1:34:18
  Oh, 10 minutes. Oh, they're so lovely together.
• 1:34:25
  Oh, I just want more. You know how we said about
• 1:34:28
  Dominion the time we're wanting more?
• 1:34:29
  Yeah, we just want more 90s Doctor Who, Don't we just?
• 1:34:31
  Want more of this? Well, OK.
• 1:34:34
  Would you sacrifice the new series for the same amount of
• 1:34:37
  series in the 90s? Oh my God.
• 1:34:42
  Yes. Yeah, I would too.
• 1:34:45
  I. Would too.
• 1:34:45
  I love the new series, but I would.
• 1:34:48
  I think Doctor Who in the 90s would have been peak Doctor Who.
• 1:34:50
  All of this with Paul McGann? He'd still be going.
• 1:34:53
  He still is. Look Grace and Chang Lee give
• 1:34:55
  each other a look. He waxed the console.
• 1:34:58
  And there we go. We're off.
• 1:35:01
  Oh, you watch now, though, when they land.
• 1:35:02
  It's raining, so Oh my. God, the hair is so frizzy.
• 1:35:06
  Oh, everyone's alive. Yes, everyone.
• 1:35:09
  Believed. Again.
• 1:35:11
  Oh, so that's not funny. Do you think he's been blowing
• 1:35:15
  that thing in everyone's faces? Gareth.
• 1:35:19
  Professor Wag, They're all still alive.
• 1:35:23
  Happy. New Year.
• 1:35:25
  Oh God, no guy. He's in Sliders the first he's
• 1:35:28
  he runs the hotel and every different dimension I go to in
• 1:35:31
  the first series, he's always like the hotel.
• 1:35:33
  Guy. Yeah, he's in.
• 1:35:35
  Yeah, he's in that as well. Oh, Gareth got his kiss.
• 1:35:39
  Look. Oh, we'll see you on flight for
• 1:35:42
  entirety, Gareth. Oh.
• 1:35:46
  Oh, this, this is amazing. I'd love to go to this location.
• 1:35:50
  The war games, you know where they go across.
• 1:35:52
  That misty thing. Yeah, you know that two cruises
• 1:35:54
  they do. You know the convention ones
• 1:35:58
  they did. They did A1, where you go and
• 1:36:00
  you go to all the Vancouver locations.
• 1:36:02
  Caroline Ford went on one. She's been all to the yeah,
• 1:36:06
  Caroline Ford, she went to a little TV movie location.
• 1:36:09
  She was a guest on this convention.
• 1:36:11
  No I can. Just imagine they're stepping
• 1:36:13
  all over those things. Really.
• 1:36:14
  She's been. I mean, she probably didn't give
• 1:36:16
  a. Like what was going on?
• 1:36:17
  Smashing. On anything, wouldn't she?
• 1:36:18
  She probably didn't even like it, no.
• 1:36:20
  I don't think she's watched it, but she went along on it.
• 1:36:22
  I feel like Doca Ho, Doca Ho and Mark RAW from two or two should
• 1:36:26
  be. Invited God.
• 1:36:27
  And this is the worst week moment because of the heck,
• 1:36:29
  because of the rain. Everyone's hair, that is.
• 1:36:32
  Yeah, look. I mean, look at.
• 1:36:34
  The doctor's giving him advice. Just don't be here, all right?
• 1:36:37
  See you around, Grace. And she goes, there you go
• 1:36:40
  again. Oh, I do.
• 1:36:43
  I do what I do wish you went in Natalis with him.
• 1:36:45
  But I do like her being an independent miss.
• 1:36:48
  I wonder if there was a reason. I mean, I mean.
• 1:36:51
  They weren't going to series. But did they know that at the
• 1:36:53
  time? I don't know.
• 1:36:55
  They should have shot two different versions.
• 1:36:56
  One's where she does go, one where she doesn't.
• 1:36:58
  That's a gorgeous liner. I know who I am and that's
• 1:37:00
  enough. Yeah.
• 1:37:04
  And then he goes, he goes, come with me, she goes, you come with
• 1:37:07
  me. Yeah.
• 1:37:09
  Oh, we love you, Grace Holloway. Is she the best doctor
• 1:37:13
  companion? Oh, she's so much fun.
• 1:37:16
  She's not very up there. I don't think she's as good as
• 1:37:18
  the evening smart. No.
• 1:37:20
  But she's very different, she. Thinks she's because Charlie
• 1:37:23
  Pollard. Oh, very close.
• 1:37:26
  Very close. I'll kiss #2.
• 1:37:27
  Yeah, this is the proper KISS, isn't it?
• 1:37:30
  I've never been kissed in fireworks.
• 1:37:31
  This flow behind the head before.
• 1:37:33
  I mean that's green screen, but. Very clearly green screen.
• 1:37:39
  It's very chaste kissing though, isn't it?
• 1:37:41
  Well, it's it's not supposed to talk true, isn't it?
• 1:37:44
  I know, but that's more like a a good night we're going to bed
• 1:37:48
  kiss rather than AI mean we're going to.
• 1:37:49
  Bed a lot. Kiss stuff to sort out.
• 1:37:53
  Phone Brian, get all the stuff sorted.
• 1:37:55
  She's going to get the sofa, she.
• 1:37:56
  Probably should be at work. No, she's.
• 1:37:58
  Quit. Quit.
• 1:37:58
  Yeah. She's going to have offers
• 1:38:00
  coming from all the hospitals. When she comes back in the
• 1:38:03
  Thomas strip, you know she's working with the military.
• 1:38:05
  She's still got that gloop on her arm.
• 1:38:07
  You see, what should happen is the Thomas goes off and then we
• 1:38:10
  get one of these secret scenes where helicopter comes in and
• 1:38:13
  it's Brigadier Bambera. Dr. Grace Holloway, come with
• 1:38:17
  me. You're needed for the unit spin
• 1:38:19
  off. Oh, we say that happens.
• 1:38:22
  That's brilliant. That's what we need.
• 1:38:24
  Yes, Brigadier Bambera and Grace Holloway.
• 1:38:27
  Oh, that is the dream. Yes, he shouldn't be on his own,
• 1:38:30
  really. I know this.
• 1:38:31
  Is but then? He he is reading the book and
• 1:38:33
  then in Storm warning Big Finish, his 1st, 8th Doctor
• 1:38:36
  story, he's reading the book and he.
• 1:38:38
  He's not reading The Time Machine, is he?
• 1:38:40
  Obviously reading Agatha Christie.
• 1:38:41
  No, he's talking about Lord Byron and Frankenstein, isn't
• 1:38:44
  he? I thought.
• 1:38:45
  I thought this LED into that. No, no, no, no, no.
• 1:38:48
  It's a bit different, but that's the same library.
• 1:38:50
  That is the library I see in Storm morning.
• 1:38:52
  Can you sing a bit of the song where he is?
• 1:38:53
  It was a. Beautiful.
• 1:38:56
  World. Add it, add it, add it.
• 1:39:02
  Oh no, here we go again. Oh wait, I've got to put the
• 1:39:05
  music up again. Oh, that's right.
• 1:39:16
  Gareth. Jeremy Raddick, Ted.
• 1:39:19
  Who's that? He's probably the guy on the
• 1:39:21
  bike. Do you know what I noticed more
• 1:39:25
  that time Above anything else? Yeah, was how all the extraneous
• 1:39:28
  characters were fabulous. I mean, it's not, it's not, it's
• 1:39:32
  not a huge cast. There's not many in terms of
• 1:39:34
  speaking roles, like we said in terms of the script.
• 1:39:36
  It's not a lie, no. But they managed to make all
• 1:39:38
  those extra characters have a moment in a way that Chris
• 1:39:41
  Tribble didn't make, and managed to make his actual characters
• 1:39:43
  have a moment. Don't start.
• 1:39:46
  That Oh. Well.
• 1:39:49
  I'm not sure I'll have to have more fun with a Doctor Who
• 1:39:51
  commentary. You know, so much fun.
• 1:39:54
  Well, so we need to now think of our three fabulous reasons.
• 1:39:57
  I mean, it's going to be very easy, isn't it?
• 1:39:59
  Well, OK, you go first. Well.
• 1:40:01
  Paul McGann as the Doctor. Not much screen time, but the
• 1:40:05
  impact that he makes and all of what he's gone on to do as the
• 1:40:09
  Doctor. And you say the whole branding
• 1:40:12
  of Doctor Who after this went on.
• 1:40:15
  You know, the books, the comic strips with the 8th Doctor, and
• 1:40:18
  of course, all the Big Finish. Can I let you let you ask?
• 1:40:21
  Yeah. His run across all those
• 1:40:23
  mediums, Big Finish, the books this, the comics.
• 1:40:27
  I think it's the best run of stories overall any doctor has.
• 1:40:31
  Any doctor? Yeah, yeah, I think so.
• 1:40:35
  There's so much. So, yeah, Paul McGann,
• 1:40:38
  obviously. Well, that I'm going to be very
• 1:40:40
  obvious and say the love of our lives.
• 1:40:42
  Daphne Ashbrook, the woman who brought us together, she's just
• 1:40:47
  glorious, isn't she? And like, I mean, I don't think
• 1:40:51
  she's particularly going above and beyond.
• 1:40:53
  It's a script that offers her a lot to do and she does amazing
• 1:40:56
  with it. But I just think she clicks with
• 1:40:58
  Paul McCann brilliantly. And so that I think if you
• 1:41:01
  managed to score the chemistry. For example, I did scream in the
• 1:41:05
  shower recently, Too hot for TV, and you add Richard E Grant and
• 1:41:10
  Sophie Ocanedo, who's the bloody queen from the Beast below.
• 1:41:14
  No chemistry whatsoever. It fucking bombs the whole
• 1:41:17
  thing. But despite the fact that our
• 1:41:20
  plot is a bit incocurant, crap the fact that their chemistry is
• 1:41:24
  so good. Here's what sells this.
• 1:41:26
  That's why I can watch this and and get so much enjoyment from
• 1:41:29
  it. So Grace Holloway and Daphne
• 1:41:32
  Ashbrook is #1. I'm going to say Philip Seagal.
• 1:41:36
  Seagal. Seagal.
• 1:41:37
  I was so obsessed with getting this.
• 1:41:39
  Doctor. Who made fought, by the sounds
• 1:41:41
  of it, to get. 7 years and that determination to get this, and I
• 1:41:47
  know it's probably not exactly what he envisaged.
• 1:41:52
  I mean, I think he was just fighting to get something made
• 1:41:55
  and we're just grateful that something was made in the 90s.
• 1:41:58
  Did you not the original script that he said No, this is shit
• 1:42:01
  all about the doctor going looking for his dad's God.
• 1:42:03
  All of that shit. I.
• 1:42:04
  Can't There were sequences in World War 2 and all of this.
• 1:42:08
  The brothers thing and Rattle ONS the father and all that
• 1:42:12
  stuff. No.
• 1:42:13
  I'm so glad we didn't get any of that would have been no.
• 1:42:15
  I mean what we got it's, it's obviously there are plot issues
• 1:42:22
  probably and it's not perfect perfect, but I'm so glad that
• 1:42:25
  we've got what we got. So thank you very much Philip
• 1:42:28
  Seagal. I'd rather have something with
• 1:42:30
  plot issues that is this delirious than something that
• 1:42:34
  doesn't have plot issues. Imagine all that like.
• 1:42:36
  Heaven sent. But it's very dull and dreary
• 1:42:39
  and boring to watch, and you're starting off for suit.
• 1:42:42
  This is a pilot episode. It it can't go deep into
• 1:42:45
  mythology just straight away. That's not what it's supposed to
• 1:42:48
  do. It's not what it should do.
• 1:42:50
  It's just get viewers in and interested.
• 1:42:54
  My second thing is Jeffrey Sachs's direction.
• 1:42:56
  I actually think this is one of the most over directed Doctor
• 1:42:59
  Who stories of all time. He is making his presence aware
• 1:43:03
  in. Every.
• 1:43:04
  Single scene, but within it you've got some of the most
• 1:43:08
  captivating imagery. And direction, camera angles and
• 1:43:12
  set pieces you're ever going to see in a Doctor Who.
• 1:43:15
  One thing everybody said when they came away from this was how
• 1:43:19
  amazing it looked. And it still looks amazing
• 1:43:22
  today. It looks so much, it looks very
• 1:43:24
  90s, but it is visually impressive.
• 1:43:27
  What I'm going to say the set design, especially the TARDIS
• 1:43:30
  console, because that is just the vision of that.
• 1:43:34
  I mean, they could have gone a bit old school, they could have
• 1:43:36
  had all these round things on the wall, they could have leaned
• 1:43:39
  into all of that, but they did something, you know, different.
• 1:43:42
  It fits in with that Byron esque, Edwardian style that I've
• 1:43:46
  got the Doctor in that's very much just surrounded by.
• 1:43:50
  It's just just the detail that they've put into it and that the
• 1:43:53
  console and just that colour blue, the the TV movie blue,
• 1:43:57
  isn't it? Doesn't it?
• 1:43:58
  It really does. That's the colour of this film.
• 1:44:01
  The last thing I'm going to say is not the exposition, but
• 1:44:05
  Matthew Jacobs. Very witty, bouncy dialogue
• 1:44:10
  throughout this There. You and me spent this whole
• 1:44:13
  thing just shouting a lot, mostly me shouting out lines all
• 1:44:16
  the way through. It's very, very memorable and I
• 1:44:18
  know we said there's a lot of sort of stage direction and not
• 1:44:21
  a lot of dialogue. There is a lot of dialogue.
• 1:44:23
  It comes in sort of quick, successive scenes.
• 1:44:26
  It reminds me of Rusty Davis and Steven Moffett at their best.
• 1:44:30
  Lots of quick fire dialogue going back and forth.
• 1:44:33
  Half of it don't matter if it makes sense.
• 1:44:35
  It's got a flow and an energy and a wit to it, and it's just
• 1:44:39
  gorgeous. I think Matthew Jacobs, who we
• 1:44:42
  saw recently in The Who Am I? Documentary, it's very, very
• 1:44:45
  underrated. I think people criticize him too
• 1:44:47
  much for his plot and they don't praise him enough for his
• 1:44:50
  dialogue. And so as we end this delirious
• 1:44:56
  2 hour commentary on the midpoint of Doctor Who, you see
• 1:44:59
  I've brought out Unearthly Child the beginning of the week.
• 1:45:02
  Now I'm bringing out TV movie right in the middle.
• 1:45:05
  And then, well, it is technically.
• 1:45:07
  There's fourteen more series after this 15.
• 1:45:10
  And then Power of the Doctors going out tomorrow.
• 1:45:13
  So this is anniversary week, 60th anniversary.
• 1:45:17
  Do you have a message for the fans of Doctor Who?
• 1:45:21
  No. Enjoy it.
• 1:45:23
  Don't take it too seriously. Don't have a tantrum?
• 1:45:28
  Just enjoy it like the TV movie. Like fun.
• 1:45:31
  It's a party, that's all. You don't need to think too
• 1:45:35
  much. And.
• 1:45:37
  A happy anniversary to all of you.
• 1:45:41
  At. Home.