Latest / Pink Shade: Reality TV with Mary Payne / 1032- BONUS Interview with Olivia Plath

Transcript

1032- BONUS Interview with Olivia Plath · Pink Shade: Reality TV with Mary Payne

• 0:11
  Speaker 1: Hey, y'all, enjoy this bonus episode. This is an interview
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: I did with Olivia Plath last week. And as you
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: guys know, I have covered every episode of Welcome to
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: plast Bill, and I believe this is my fourth time
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: interviewing Olivia. So enjoy this episode. And if you want
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: to hear all the Welcome to plast Bill recapped, head
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: on over to Pink Shade Prime. The link is in
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: the show notes. It is on the five dollars a
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: month level. Hey everybody, welcome to Pink Shade you guys,
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: it's a treat. It's a treat. It's my friend here.
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: It's Olivia Marie Plath.
• 0:44
  Speaker 2: Many.
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: Hi.
• 0:45
  Speaker 2: How many times have I been on now? Is it's
• 0:47
  Speaker 2: like four?
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: I think this is four.
• 0:49
  Speaker 2: Look at that. I'm basically a regular.
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: You're a regular. You could come on anytime. We always
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: want your your hot takes. Now, I told you right
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: before we started, you were talking about roadwork and I
• 0:59
  Speaker 1: was talking about dogs barking, And just right on, cue,
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: the dogs are sparking.
• 1:03
  Speaker 2: Just give it a second. The dump truck is going
• 1:05
  Speaker 2: to pack up.
• 1:07
  Speaker 1: Listen, guys, we're city folk. We're city folk. Okay. Now,
• 1:12
  Speaker 1: the current season is on a platfem. Are you watching
• 1:15
  Speaker 1: any of it? Have you seen any or are you
• 1:17
  Speaker 1: just like seeing the clips.
• 1:19
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen any episodes. I've seen a lot of clips,
• 1:22
  Speaker 2: either they're landing on my algorithm or people are tagging
• 1:26
  Speaker 2: me in them, or my friends are like, did you
• 1:28
  Speaker 2: see what was said about you? So I haven't watched episodes,
• 1:31
  Speaker 2: but I've seen quite a few clips from the season.
• 1:35
  Speaker 1: Well, the episode that is on Tuesday night and this
• 1:39
  Speaker 1: year this interview will come out tomorrow on Wednesday. Wow.
• 1:45
  Speaker 1: If you thought Veronica was an asshole before, boy does
• 1:49
  Speaker 1: she really really ratchet it down on that being an asshole.
• 1:53
  Speaker 1: She's really really leaning in. And I didn't want that
• 1:57
  Speaker 1: to be the case, Olivia. I wanted her to not
• 2:01
  Speaker 1: be a jerk. I wanted her to be just sort
• 2:04
  Speaker 1: of trying to expose the family, trying to fight for
• 2:06
  Speaker 1: her relationship by making my casie that he can't stay
• 2:11
  Speaker 1: with so close. But no, she's just she's just become
• 2:15
  Speaker 1: a real asshole. Yeah.
• 2:17
  Speaker 2: It's really tricky because when I first reached out to her,
• 2:20
  Speaker 2: I had never met or didn't know anything about her
• 2:24
  Speaker 2: as a person, and I was just genuinely concerned about her,
• 2:27
  Speaker 2: and as she kept reaching back out to me and
• 2:29
  Speaker 2: wanting to talk through things and compare experiences, I was
• 2:33
  Speaker 2: being told by people around her like, yes, she does
• 2:36
  Speaker 2: need support and is being treated poorly, but just be careful,
• 2:40
  Speaker 2: just you know, watch your back and just be careful
• 2:43
  Speaker 2: what you say because everything will become a screenshot and
• 2:46
  Speaker 2: a receipt YEP, a receipt. And so I was like, okay,
• 2:51
  Speaker 2: and I tried to be careful. I was trying to
• 2:53
  Speaker 2: toe the line. I'd never met her, so I also
• 2:55
  Speaker 2: didn't just want to take everyone's opinion of her. I
• 2:57
  Speaker 2: wanted to kind of give her time to prove who
• 2:59
  Speaker 2: she was. And the more time has gone on, the
• 3:03
  Speaker 2: more I'm just like, two things can be true. We
• 3:05
  Speaker 2: can both have been treated poorly by this family that
• 3:08
  Speaker 2: doesn't like anyone who doesn't share their same DNA. Yeah,
• 3:11
  Speaker 2: and you participated in it, you engaged in bullying other people,
• 3:17
  Speaker 2: and genuinely like, are not a very nice person, And
• 3:21
  Speaker 2: those two things can be true at the same time.
• 3:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's rough. It's rough. I mean on this particular episode.
• 3:30
  Speaker 1: I'll just tell you this particular episode that we will
• 3:32
  Speaker 1: have seen on Tuesday night, when the last episode she's
• 3:37
  Speaker 1: been she talks down to Micah. You know, she basically
• 3:40
  Speaker 1: calls them stupid. She'll he'll say, you're talking down to me,
• 3:43
  Speaker 1: and she'll say, like, you deserve it because you're not intelligent.
• 3:47
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, so why are you dating them? You know?
• 3:50
  Speaker 2: That's the other thing is like I agree that their
• 3:53
  Speaker 2: schooling lacked so much and set them back in life,
• 3:57
  Speaker 2: and yeah, they could do a lot of internal work
• 4:01
  Speaker 2: of gaining tools for their toolbox and emotional regulation and
• 4:05
  Speaker 2: just you know, understanding of how the world works.
• 4:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 4:08
  Speaker 2: But if you feel that way about someone and you
• 4:11
  Speaker 2: think that they're that dumb, why are you dating them
• 4:15
  Speaker 2: and with them?
• 4:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Is it just to have somebody to be mean to?
• 4:19
  Speaker 1: I don't. It's now this particular episode is where she
• 4:23
  Speaker 1: starts just continually calling Tigan a slut. That's the word
• 4:28
  Speaker 1: she's using, slut. And you know, Mike is like, she's
• 4:33
  Speaker 1: got in her mind that Teagan has an only fans
• 4:35
  Speaker 1: and for some reason that's an issue with her and
• 4:38
  Speaker 1: decides to call her a slut. And this is kind
• 4:40
  Speaker 1: of where I get the disconnect. Is like, let's say
• 4:42
  Speaker 1: Teagan has an only fans, which I don't think she does.
• 4:45
  Speaker 1: Let's say she does or she doesn't. Why does Veronica
• 4:49
  Speaker 1: care about that? To then be like I hate her,
• 4:52
  Speaker 1: You're not allowed to be around her, she's a slut,
• 4:54
  Speaker 1: Like it makes no sense.
• 4:57
  Speaker 2: I But what I will say is there were moments
• 5:04
  Speaker 2: in my relationship with Ethan where I thought he might
• 5:06
  Speaker 2: have cheated on me. And I say this as I thought,
• 5:10
  Speaker 2: because I do not have proof of him ever going
• 5:12
  Speaker 2: on cheating. But there were things. There were certain girls
• 5:14
  Speaker 2: that he was very adamant he had to follow or
• 5:16
  Speaker 2: he would reply to all their stories, and I was
• 5:18
  Speaker 2: like why, and I felt insecure about it. And there
• 5:22
  Speaker 2: were moments where he would go and want to hang
• 5:24
  Speaker 2: out with this girl every time he was back in
• 5:26
  Speaker 2: kro and I was like, I just I don't like her.
• 5:29
  Speaker 2: I don't like the vibes here. And I would start
• 5:31
  Speaker 2: to feel kind of insecure and jealous and be like,
• 5:34
  Speaker 2: I don't want you to hang out with her. But
• 5:38
  Speaker 2: so like, I get that part of Veronica having been
• 5:40
  Speaker 2: cheated on multiple times by Micah, yeah, and letting that
• 5:43
  Speaker 2: insecurity kind of like feeding that insecurity and wondering if
• 5:47
  Speaker 2: it's okay for him to be around any girl, especially
• 5:50
  Speaker 2: one that she considers, for lack of a better word,
• 5:53
  Speaker 2: I guess, more promiscuous. At the same time, you can't
• 5:56
  Speaker 2: say that you support strong, independent women. You can't say
• 6:01
  Speaker 2: that you are a girl's girl. You can't say that
• 6:02
  Speaker 2: you champion women like. You can't say all these things
• 6:04
  Speaker 2: and then turn around slushame them. It doesn't work that way.
• 6:08
  Speaker 1: But she has no proof of anything, you know. Another
• 6:10
  Speaker 1: thing she says on this episode is, well, you know,
• 6:13
  Speaker 1: Teagan reached out to Ethan online and basically stalked him,
• 6:17
  Speaker 1: and she knew what she was getting into with this family.
• 6:19
  Speaker 1: And Micah says, that has nothing to do with us.
• 6:24
  Speaker 1: That's very relationship. Why are you calling her a slut?
• 6:27
  Speaker 1: You know? It isn't enough. And then Micah says on
• 6:31
  Speaker 1: this episode that Veronica said regarding Mariah, who she had
• 6:35
  Speaker 1: the issue with, but Mariah was very gracious to her
• 6:38
  Speaker 1: on this episode, like please come and sit please, we
• 6:40
  Speaker 1: want to include you, Like, don't sit over here by yourself.
• 6:44
  Speaker 1: She has said regarding Mariah, I wouldn't care if she
• 6:47
  Speaker 1: got murdered by the drug cartel, and and Micah goes,
• 6:52
  Speaker 1: and so the production goes. You know, Veronica says things
• 6:55
  Speaker 1: that she doesn't mean them. He goes, yeah, but she
• 6:56
  Speaker 1: still said it. Can you imagine, like, first of all,
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: how do you get from A to B? How do
• 7:03
  Speaker 1: you get from murdered by the drug cartel? But she
• 7:06
  Speaker 1: said I wouldn't care she got murdered by a drug cartel.
• 7:10
  Speaker 1: Regarding his sister.
• 7:15
  Speaker 2: Speciless, Yes, wow, Mariah is someone that I do not
• 7:27
  Speaker 2: trust at all, and I would never ever say something
• 7:32
  Speaker 2: like that about her, about anyone, about anyone. And you
• 7:37
  Speaker 2: know what, I'm not going to bring any politics onto
• 7:40
  Speaker 2: your podcast. But this changes some things because Ronica has
• 7:42
  Speaker 2: been on TikTok last night making comments about me everywhere
• 7:46
  Speaker 2: because she's decided that since I said we're not friends,
• 7:49
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden she's mad at me. And now
• 7:52
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I'm thinking about the thing she
• 7:53
  Speaker 2: was saying about me last night, and I'm like, wow,
• 7:55
  Speaker 2: this changes everything. It doesn't change everything, but it's just like, huh, okay,
• 8:00
  Speaker 2: good to know.
• 8:02
  Speaker 1: Micah said, you know, she says the most horrible things
• 8:05
  Speaker 1: about people. She resorts to name calling, and even in
• 8:07
  Speaker 1: this episode, when she kept saying slut, Micah said, you
• 8:11
  Speaker 1: don't have to do with the name calling, and she goes,
• 8:14
  Speaker 1: it's not names, it's an adjective. Actually, you know she
• 8:19
  Speaker 1: was saying slutty. She's like, slutty is an adjective. But
• 8:21
  Speaker 1: she also says things like we're doing comfortable and cestpool,
• 8:25
  Speaker 1: so she's not like the brightest ball herself, which is
• 8:28
  Speaker 1: also annoying that she then talks about how stupid Micah is,
• 8:31
  Speaker 1: but she does this like spewing of the hate like
• 8:34
  Speaker 1: it's cute, like it's badass. She's like, they could just
• 8:38
  Speaker 1: keep waiting. More bombs will drop on this episode, Tea
• 8:41
  Speaker 1: getting Kaylin her standing over the side because their family
• 8:43
  Speaker 1: pictures being taken, and she goes, oh, you know they're
• 8:47
  Speaker 1: standing to this side because they're not family either. But
• 8:49
  Speaker 1: let me tell you something, if they get into those pictures,
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: I'm going to pull them down by the hair. My
• 8:52
  Speaker 1: claws are out of their mittens. Like why why are
• 8:56
  Speaker 1: you mad at those two girls who were just dating
• 8:58
  Speaker 1: brothers in this like it doesn't make it? And he
• 9:00
  Speaker 1: sounds like, why are you so worked up and angry?
• 9:04
  Speaker 1: We understand she had the issue with Mariah, we understand
• 9:06
  Speaker 1: she's mad at Barry, but the rest of it makes
• 9:11
  Speaker 1: the recent And yeah, she says to Mariah on this
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: episode because you know, even your mom. I wrote your
• 9:18
  Speaker 1: mom and said, I don't want to sit with Ethan
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: and Tigan, you know, Tigan being a slutin all, and
• 9:24
  Speaker 1: I don't want to sit with them. And she said,
• 9:27
  Speaker 1: even your mom wrote back and say, name six people
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: you do get along with, and I goes, well, there's
• 9:31
  Speaker 1: one for Kim. That's one for Kim. Also, what was
• 9:37
  Speaker 1: interesting is kk Ken was at the wedding and just
• 9:43
  Speaker 1: sitting there with the family, and you had the whole season.
• 9:46
  Speaker 2: He uh, he's been around during the season. He just
• 9:49
  Speaker 2: hasn't been shown. Okay, well, yeah, he was there for
• 9:54
  Speaker 2: a bunch of things. I think that he's so loud
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: and proud with his views that he's been kind of
• 10:05
  Speaker 2: like just quietly, you know, not shown for things for
• 10:08
  Speaker 2: that way they can escape backlash. But he's still there.
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: He's still around. Yeah, because she said at the beginning
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: of the season, like he's still around. She either said
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: we are friends with benefit. I was like, ew no, she.
• 10:21
  Speaker 2: Basically said, we're still friends and all we're just not
• 10:24
  Speaker 2: hooking up. We're just like, first off, not true, and second,
• 10:28
  Speaker 2: who freaking cares?
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, I got right into Veronica. But I had so
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: many questions before that. Sorry, I just had to that's.
• 10:37
  Speaker 2: It's a bit, it's a bit. Uh, it's a head scratcher.
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: It's a head scratcher. And now are you in touch
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: with Ethan at all? Are you actually divorced at this
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: point in time in September of twenty twenty five, the
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: year of Our Lord.
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: No, we are not. I I blocked him a while back,
• 10:53
  Speaker 2: just because he was incredibly rude, and I was just like,
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: I don't have any energy for this. I will deal
• 10:59
  Speaker 2: with his attorney for getting divorced and I don't have
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: to talk to him for this. In talking to his attorney,
• 11:04
  Speaker 2: I had two requests. One was that it is a
• 11:07
  Speaker 2: private file. In the state of Minnesota. Usually when you
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: file for divorce, it is public and everybody can see
• 11:13
  Speaker 2: your finances, everybody can see everything, and I just don't
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: want that, so I asked for a private file, and
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: his attorney couldn't guarantee that would happen. The other thing
• 11:23
  Speaker 2: that I asked for from his attorney was that my
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: address be kept from Ethan for security reasons. I do
• 11:29
  Speaker 2: not want him having my address, and his attorney also
• 11:33
  Speaker 2: could not promise that to me, and I was like,
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to work with you if you can't
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: do those two things. That feels to me like the
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: bare minimum in a contentious divorce filing. So we will
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: see what happens at this point. I owe his attorney
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: an email, and I was out of town for the
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: last month and haven't gotten back to him yet when
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: he was requesting some information for me. But I don't
• 11:59
  Speaker 2: really trust as attorney moving forward, and I think my
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: best bet is to just bite the bullet and hire
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: one myself. Yeah, the thing is like to file from,
• 12:10
  Speaker 2: So if I were to file, I would have to
• 12:12
  Speaker 2: have lived six months in the place that I want
• 12:14
  Speaker 2: to file from. I moved to DC, I had a
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: lease there for like seven eight months, and then I
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: moved to Virginia. I'm a resident in Virginia now, but
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: I've not been able to get my Virginia driver's license
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: for six months because my name in the system was
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: my maiden name, and in order to get a new
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: driver's license in the state of Virginia improve my residency,
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: I had to prove when I changed my name, and
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: the State of Georgia took three months to send me
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: a certificate of my marriage license so that I could
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: actually take that and improve it. So I did den
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: view appointment yesterday and I officially got my Virginia driver's license.
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: And it's just, honestly, it's like one long step at
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: a time, and the hardest part of it is just
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: all the paperwork and little details. But we are on
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: the to getting officially divorced.
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: So the season has eleven episodes. We're on episode nine,
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: which aired on Tuesday. There's two to go, so I'm
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: assuming they're bringing Olivia Plath in for the big finale. Yeah.
• 13:15
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I regret. I regret saying yes to filming with
• 13:20
  Speaker 2: Ethan one more time, but I did and it'll show.
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: So y'all, what's the hardest thing about hitting your protein goals?
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: For me, it's breakfast. I'm always trying to figure out
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: a protein packed breakfast because there's so many days when
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: I know I'm not going to be able to grab lunch.
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: So let me tell you, Tropical Smoothie Cafe helps me
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: hit that protein goal every morning while staying on Tropic time.
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: At Tropical Smoothie Cafe, it's super easy, breezy to get
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: your morning protein. My favorite part is you can order
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: a head in the app and you can do it
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: online and you grab your high protein SIPs and bites
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: even faster, you guys, I love the app. You could
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: go get my husband's favorite, which is the Peanut Paradise
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: Smoothie with twenty two grams of protein, and you could
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: add more good vibes to youre SMOOTHI. You can do almonds, spinach, kale, chi, se, ginger,
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: or supplements like Energizer. My personal favorite is the Sausage
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: egg and Cheese Dia, but there are also amazing choices
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: like Peebe Protein crunch Bowl, the mixed berried Greek yogurt bowl,
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: or the All American rap. You guys, on the way
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: home from the beach, we stopped at Tropical Smoothie in
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: North Carolina and I got two of those sausage, egg
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: and Cheese I dias for me and my son. We
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: love them. It's just so good. So make every day
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: I get away with the bold flavors and better for
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: you pairings only a Tropical Smoothie Cafe. Order ahead, take
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: the scenic rout and earn rewards with a Tropical Smoothie
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: Cafe app. Download it to day tropical smoothie cafe. You're
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: on tropic time now. Now here is a is a
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: right turn something that we have noticed a lot on.
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: This really ramped up since Lydia and Zacher together and
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: we're having this kissing situation leading up to the wedding.
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: Very makes so many sexual comments about Lydia. Is this
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: something that is familiar to you? He constantly refers to
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: them having sex, and this week when they had their
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: first kiss, he literally is like, oh, yeah, get in there,
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: let's see some tongue. This is his daughter.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. Unfortunately, the world that I grew up in,
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: the fundamental Christian world, places such a high emphasis on sex.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: Whether the message is abstaining or not, it's still a
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: high emphasis on set the topic the topic of And
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: as an adult, I look back now and I am
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: able to see all of the ways that my dad
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: and my brothers sexualized me that I couldn't see when
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: I was in that world. Even something as simple as
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: my brother's saying, don't wear a tang top because you're
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: going to defraud me and make me stumble. And as
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: a girl growing up in that world, it was like, Okay, yeah,
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: if I wear these things, men will stumble if they
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: see my body as an adult, I'm like, that was
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: my brother. Why would you ever think about me that way?
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: The same thing with my dad. I remember when I
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: hit puberty and I started filling out. I hit puberty late,
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: and my gross spurt was very, very quick. And I
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: remember we were going out to an event one day
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: and I guess my shirt was like an umpire waist
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: tied too tight, and my dad sent my mom to
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: see if I'd stuffed my bra because he was like,
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: I don't think she's that big. And as a girl,
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: when my mom came up to me, he was like
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: feeling my bra. I was like, did you put anything
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: in here? Dad wants me to check. I was like no,
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: Why would I ever do that as an adult. I'm like,
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: that's so creepy that my dad was looking at me
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: that way. But unfortunately that's very common in the Christian
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: fundamental world. They placed such a high emphasis on sex
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: and purity and all of these things that when that's
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: what you're consumed with, it makes sense that it comes
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: out in all shapes and forms.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: It's so strong and yeah, this week, when he said
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: let's get in there, let's seed some tongue and all this,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: and it's so strange. And Kim, in her skirt in
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: the kitchen preparing for the wedding, said, you know, I
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: don't know why Lydy and Zach have to get married,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: and Ethan says, they just want to fuck.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: First of all, Ethan said that about his sister to
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: his mother.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh gross, yes, they That does not shock me
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: at all. I was very familiar with him saying things
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Well, we've all we're always like Ethan as a twelve
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: year old horny boy at all times. It's so gross
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: the stuff that he says. And Ethan even says, you know,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: because he's said many many times that Zach is gay.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: He says, look, you know, he does this whole thing,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: which I thought about you the whole time. I'm sure
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: many people the problem with gay people. Listen, people may
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: not believe in me, but I have no judgment on
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: gay people, he says, you know, and I really hope
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: they have a very passionate sex life filled with desire
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: from both sides. I was like, that's your sister.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: When I was a weird thing to say. When I
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: was with Ethan and he was obsessed with sex and
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: anything like that. Again, it was normalized to me because
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: of how men are in the fundamental world, and I
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: didn't think much of it. As the years went on,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: every time he would like tell a story to camera
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: or things like that, I mean, he had some famous stories,
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: infamous stories he told throughout the seasons of things sexual stuff,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: and I would always be so embarrassed, but I would
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: kind of laugh it off because I was like, I
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: don't really know what to say. This is Ethan, like,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: this is what gets him views people like this. The
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: producers always thought it was really funny, and so I
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: would just kind of laugh long and I was embarrassed.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Now that we're not together and I see him do
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: these things, I see it differently. I just I can't
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: believe that I ever just kind of let that slide
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: and thought it was normal, whether it was him talking
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: about him disturbating in church as a child or things
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: like that. Now that I see that he's drawing his
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: girlfriend naked and think that thinks that that's funny, or
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: making comments about his sister's sex slave, I I can
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: now see it for being as creepy as it is,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: And I know now why I was so embarrassed when
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: I was younger, even if I didn't have the words
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: for it.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: It's interesting too because there's a scene where after the engagement,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Micah and Ethan pull Zach to beside and they're like,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: do you want to kiss her? Are you gay? Are
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: you interested in women at all? And Zach's having to
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: sort of explain himself. Micah, you know, kind of does
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: the like we have a lot of gay friends, and
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I don't have any problem with gay people. But it's like, okay,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: but he's marrying your that's not the point. The point
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: is not whether you have gay friends. It was so awkward,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: but you know, Ethan's like, you know, I'm a I'm
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: a man, and obviously you know men like to fuck
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: their women.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Basically it's like do you want to fuck my sister?
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: It's just so you're like the gross, like you're talking
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: about your sister sex life like gross.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Also, he didn't the last year that we were married,
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: he refused to be intimate with me because he said
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: he refused to be intimate with someone who was opposing
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: political views to his. So I don't really know why
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: he thinks he has a leg to stand on there, but.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Well, we talk a lot this season about his jeans
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: being pulled all the way up into his balls. We're like, why, why,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: why are you now put your jeans up so high
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: and why? Anyways, that's a topic coy.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: I see when people ask me, like, so, this black
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: shirt and jeans is his uniform, right, Like he never
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: picked it off. Is this what he wore when you
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: guys were together? And I'm like, no, he had a
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: different uniform he wore then. But the funny thing is
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: I went to one of the Minnesota cousin's weddings last
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: year because they invited me, and I never saw Ethan there,
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: although I assumed he'd be there. He apparently showed up
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: during the ceremony. You'll never guess what he was wearing
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: to this wedding.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Black T shirt and jeans. Yes to my wedding, hiked.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: All the way up with the sunglasses on, never took
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: his sunglasses off once even during inside reception and dinner,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: and then left like super early because he didn't want
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: to be there if I was there, And I'm just
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: he had a girlfriend at the time, and I'm like, okay,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: I lively life. I don't know, but maybe get a
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: different outfit.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: This season though it seems really divided, right. It really
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: is Barry and the daughters versus Kim and the sons.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: It's very weird how Kim's just like boys'll be boys,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: and it's so funny that they're trying to light fires.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: When Zach is trying to get engaged with oh, Ethan
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: just he got mad and went off of his car.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: It's all very girls, Kim and the boys versus Kim
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: and the boys versus Very and the girls. And even
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Kim approaches Ethan and Isaac at the rehearsal and says,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: later tonight, the three of us are going to confront
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Lydia with the red flags that we see. Yeah, this
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: is the mother of the bride.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: At the rehearsal.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: It's really interesting when you see who Kim favors. It's
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: whatever child will feed into her ego. So Lydia used
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: to be Kim's favorite. When Lydia would tattle on the
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: other kids, when she would confirm Kim's ego, that Kim
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: was a great parent. It was just Mike and Mariah
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: that were rebellious. It all worked out. Look at Lydia,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: and now that Lydia is still living that lifestyle, but
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Kim is different. All of a sudden, Ethan is Kim's favorite. Well,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: before Ethan, it was Mariah. When Mariah started going back
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: and best friends with her mom, then it was Mariah
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: because it was like, see, it was Mariah's problem along.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Now me and Mariah are really close and Mariah can
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: kind of help get Ethan back to the fold, And
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: now we don't see Kim spending that much time with
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Mariah anymore. All of a sudden, it's Ethan. Also, Ethan
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: is her favorite after being a stranger for many years,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: because Ethan now feeds into her ego, and it's to me.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people miss that. But if
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: you look at kind of the big picture of how
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Kim's witches favorite literally is whatever kid will help her
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: do what she wants to do.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: And feed into her ego, it's such a great point.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: That's really really interesting. That's really interesting because you're right,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, she and Mariah were so closed
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: last year, and you're like, huh, Like remember Mayer, remember
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: the one that you kicked out of the house at
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: sixteen because she wanted to wear a tank top to
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: the bowling Alley, like, you know, like what that's very
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: very interesting speaking of that reminds me of the Three
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: little Girls. I mean Amber now is sixteen and doing
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: the makeup at the wedding, which was like Amber's like
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: the new Lydia's like, not only do you have to
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: be made of honor, you also have to do everyone's makeup.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Do the three younger girls go to actual school?
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Do you know?
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Still don't know, still don't attend school, even though now
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: they like live in a house in a neighborhood and.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: The whole thing.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know if it is correct what Kim
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: posts this season, she has very come over and it
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: was like, I really need help with the child support.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: You know, she has like a waitressing job. And he's like, yeah,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: that's tough. You don't have any money. That's too bad
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: for you. Like he doesn't, And I was like, well, legally,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: actually he should be giving child support to those three
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: kids that are minors.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, here's what I know of their finances, and
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: this is based on a decade's worth of knowledge. But
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: I have not been in the family for two years. Yeah,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: I hear things from extended family members or through the grapevine.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: But just putting that out there. Number one, Like, when
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: before the show ever started, Barry was the only one
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: with an income and a job. Absolutely, yes, Kim did
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: have an MLM business that she made money off of,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: but still very very traditional, typical family money situation. When
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: the show started, Barry gave all that money to Kim.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Whatever was made off the show, Kim took and used
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: that for various things, and she wasted it all. She
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: would drop like fifty thousand dollars on, you know, something
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: for the farm because she wanted to be a wedding
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: venue that never happened. She would drop x amount of
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: money on a dance studio because she thought she was
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: going to be a dance teacher that never happened. And
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: it's like financial thing after thing that she would just
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: spend a ton of money on that never panned out
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: to anything. And then when they started renting out all
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: these properties, she also got that income. They split it.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: So present day, to the best of my knowledge, Barry
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: still is working a full time job. Yes, has that income.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: He's also paying the mortgage on the house that Kim
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: wanted to buy in kro when they left the farm,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: so he's now acquired that house debt. He's also paying
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: the mortgage on one of the other properties in town
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: that she wanted to buy. She's getting a huge cut
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: from the show of what's made her and Barry split
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: that now, Okay. She's also getting incoming rent from Airbnb
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: properties that they have out, and she's working a part
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: time job. The honest truth is she's not good at
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: managing her money. Yeah, whether paperwork says Barry owes her something,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised because he does have a full
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: time job. But I can say very confidently she does
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: not manage her money well. And she is making money.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: She's spending on things like boats and airplanes and forerunners
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: and qua I mean not for runners, four wheelers and
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: quads and this and that, and trips and drinking and
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. Yeah. And squirts, yeah, yeah, and squirts
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: all the sports.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: It's interesting because you know, when she was saying to him, like,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: I need this money for the kids. I was like, oh,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: my God, don't make us now root for Kim. Yeah,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: but we're like, God, Barry, if you owe money for
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: the kids, she should get money for the kids. Like
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: it's we're always so torn and you know, we do
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: this a lot. We're like, Okay, Barry does seem to
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: be the more consistent, better parent, but like, don't make us,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: don't make us like Barry. He's at here like sexualizing
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: these kids, you know.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I will say he does have the
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: kids more than she does, but no, all right, So why.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Do you think Ethan specifically regarding this wedding and Lydia
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: and Zach? Why does he have so much for my
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: knowledge just from watching this show. It's not like he
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: and Lydia were best friends and spoke on the phone
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: every single day, and he's really from what I could see,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: he hadn't praarely talked to her in two years. So
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: why is he being such a jerk about the wedding
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: and such a jerk about Zach. Yes, maybe it's too fast,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: but you've never seen two people more student to each
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: other than these two, you know. Yeah.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Honestly, I from a removed armchair diagnosis position, I think
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: he's really angry that his marriage didn't work out, And
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: it almost feels like he is turning around and doing
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: to Zach exactly what his family did to me. And
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: he's somehow things that I deserved it because he's rewritten history.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: It used to be. He would say on the show
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: to everyone, like, you guys mistreat Olivia, Yes, and she's
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: only trying to you know, do x y Z. And
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: he's really everything now Now Suddenly, if I spent time
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: with the younger kids because I was trying to manipulate them,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: even though I genuinely had a relationship and loved his
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: younger siblings, and he knew that and loved that. It
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: was only really his parents that I had the issue with.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: But all of a sudden, now I only liked his
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: siblings because I was manipulating them. Like, he's rewritten history
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: so much the point that he thinks I deserved what
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: his family did to me. And it's almost like he's
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: turned around and projected that straight onto Zach and is
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: doing to Zach exactly what his parents did to me.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Right, And then Veronica also tried to come in and
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: billy Zach too. She was like, Yeah, here's what we're
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: going to do today. We're all gonna not talk to him. Okay,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Like how old are you? Like, it's just wild.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: I think she's stuck in high school. There's a reason
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: why she identifies with Regina George and constantly lets everyone
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: know that that's kind of peak high school mean girl energy.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: If in my honest opinion.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: It's it's yeah. And the thing about Zac is yes,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Zach is a bit odd. And you'll see on the
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: wedding episode they do a lot of giggling and jumping
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: and skipping and squealing and you know what, he's odd,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: he's quirky.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Then they'll be quirky together.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: But she's quirky too. Yeah, Yeah, Can I just ask
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: one thing of you watch the actual wedding, just just
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: that ten minutes, just that ten minutes, because there's a
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: moment at the altar where Zach and Lydia sing to
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: each other.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Oh, I've seen the clip of this, but that's okay.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: I'd like to protect my hearing.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: It's this is another moment where Ethan and tigue and
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: look at the ground. Veronica covers her face, Kim kind
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: of does a grimace, and the only one closing his
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: eyes and taking in the moment is Barry. But we're like,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: oh my god, in this one exact moment, we agree
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: with Ethan Veronica, you know what I mean? Like, because
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: it was listen, you cover a lot of weddings. You
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: do a lot of wedding photography. Have you ever seen
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: two people just break into song and sing to each
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: other at the altar?
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Yes, Lydia's older sister when she got married.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Stop the madness, no way.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they sang in an entire song to each other.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Well, Isaac said on the on the episode He goes
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: it was a little cringey, and yet it seemed like
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: it went on for thirty minutes. Yeah, Isaac's like it
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: lasted thirty minutes. It was the listen.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't choose to listen to that, But I don't
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: think any of them have a leg to stand on
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: because they all think they're the world's best singers, and
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: we've been subjected to that singing many, many, many times.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: So I don't know why all of a sudden they're
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: cringing and Lydia's doing exactly what they do.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Not one listen. And I hate to and again, I
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: hate to ever be on Ethan's side about anything, but
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I feel like he's the only one I've ever heard
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: that can maybe carry a tune. And you don't even
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: agree with that.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: But I don't hear he can carry a tune. He
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: can carry it tune. Yeah. They all have a very
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: conflated view of their singing abilities. Yeah, so it makes
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: perfect sense to me that Lydia chose to do that.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: That's all she knows. Her family has alwaysought they're the
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: best at music. Why would she not do it out
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: her wedding? Again, her older sister did.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Well. Not to upset you, but you would you like
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: me to play you a clip.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: You're trying to make me go deaf.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'll just give you. I'll give it to you briefly. Okay, ready,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: take my mind.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: With you.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: That's the first one. The second one is Lydia and
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: her roommate and Zach singing together because they just burst
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: into song all the time.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Here they go tuned up for me.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Now, as you can tell from that, Zach and the
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: roommate have better voices Olivia, and they carry that. But
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: it's not cute up for you. I have it on
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: my soundboard to play to torture people all the time.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: It's just there.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: I'm just a victim.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: You were just here and I thought, you know what,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: who would like to hear this? It's okay.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: When they used to record their family singing albums. I
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: would be there sitting in the studio, like on the
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: long studio days, just listening. Usually when a musician goes
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: in and records an album, they already know their music
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: inside and out, and they're playing their music to record
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: an album. They would go in and learn their songs
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: line by line. They would practice the line till they
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: got it right, and then record that line, practice the
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: next line till they got it right, and then record
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: that line. Like they did not know their music when
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: they went in at all. And I was always sitting
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: there like, huh, this makes no sense. If you're recording
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: an album, that's because you're good enough with your music
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: that you're at that point, not because you're recording one
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: line at a time and autotuning it. And they didn't
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: even play the backing tracks for it, they had the
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: studio do that. It just always confused me.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: So it seems like a waste of time. And the
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: fact that they have studio albums is also bizarre.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Do you think, because I do, do you think
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: that zach Lydia should just move away?
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: You know, I think it is good for any young
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: married couple to put some space between them and their
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: families and figure out who they want to be together.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: And I don't view Lydia and Zach as any exception.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: I personally know how hard it was to live very
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: close to the Plath family and just how involved they
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: get in relationships, so maybe I would add a little
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: bit more urgency to it. At the end of the day,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: it's completely what they want to do. I know that
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: they want to have grandkids as soon as possible and
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: be involved with her family, but I think that any
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: young married couple should consider moving away after the.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Way that the family has treated Zak. And then the
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: night before the wedding, they pull Lydia aside to try
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: to have an INTERVINSI with her about her husband being gay.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: The night before the wedding, they do this again, and
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Lydia brings Barry with her as like a backup because
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: she knows that they're gonna it's Mom, Ethan and Isaac,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: the rage brothers and Mom, and then they confront Lydia
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: to say like, he's gay, but they had him sit
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: on the porch while they discussed it. I mean, the
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: night before the wedding, and Dak's like, how can you
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: have so much so little respect? For a wedding, much
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: less your sister's wedding.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: It's crazy because Lydia is someone that they have consistently
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: throughout her life overlooked, ignored, predified, made into the wark
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: mule for the family, the surrogate for the family, like
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: they have never once cared about her her and until
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: she makes a choice for herself. Yeah, and all of
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: a sudden, they're all up in arms about how much
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: they want to protect her, and it's like, you've never
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: wanted to protect her. And I feel badly about that
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: now because when I look back at when I first
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: joined their family, and even before, I would always ask
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Mica and Mariah to hang out with me because I
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: knew that they wanted some independence and freedom, and Lydia
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: would tattle on us all the time. Anything we did,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: she would go back and tell him. And this was
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: even something that was me excluded a dynamic in their family.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: It would always be like, don't tell Lydia and Hosannah,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: They'll tell Mom. Those are Mom's favorite kids. And I
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: look back now and it makes me sad that I
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: perpetuated this structure even further of Lydia being left out
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: and overlooked and ignored. I wish I had done more
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: to include her and be kinder to her, but I
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: am also aware that that structure predicated my time.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Well, there was one part of the season where Lydia
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: and Zach Go visit Veronica and Micah in in Boca,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: and it's very interesting because they're all they're all having
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: drinks and everything, and I'm like, I didn't know Lydia
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: would ever have a drink, you know, but there were
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: it was like Veronica had a special drink and they
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: kept saying like, well, for first they would say like
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: because she's about to be twenty one, and then they
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: would say because she is twenty one.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: I was like, get it right, somebody, whatever's the timeline
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: because I got her on my list is twenty. But
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: she apparently was either close, but she was like oh yeah,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: I like this drink and stuff like that, and You're like,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: so now Lydia is cool, Like now, okay, please tell
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: us that Micah is the one to be saved, because
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: we feel like Micah is the one here that's going
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: to be saved, that he's not joining the Rage Brothers,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: and they're what my co hosts Amy says that you know,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: eight o'clock every nights when they do their hate crimes.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: But it's like we feel like that's why they get
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: at the wedding. They kept having to leave because you know,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: hate crimes start at eight. Allegedly, guys, it's a joke,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: but it feels like Micah is always the one to
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: be like, hey, maybe let's we're just like holding out
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: a hope for Micah.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: I think Micah's more passive as a person, which I
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: think we see even in his relationship with Veronica Totally.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day, all he
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: ever had was each other, and that's what they'll always
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: go back to, and they're always going to pick each
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: other over anyone else with a different ideology or who
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: comes into the family or anything. I was telling someone
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: yesterday on a different podcast that she asked me who
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: I had hope for, and I said, look, I don't
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: think I should ever play in the casino or the
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: lottery because everyone I had my hope on like they've
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: gone back. So obviously I'm not good at picking. And
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: whether any of them she was differently get out, I
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: don't know the ones that I thought one didn't so
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know that I'm the best person to comment
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: on that.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: And the thing too, is with Veronica, like spilling all
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: this tea and whatnot on social media is everything she
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: says now we all have to give a side eye
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: to because we're like, Okay, she did this huge timeline
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: of what happened at the wedding, but we're seeing in
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: real time and we're seeing for next week. Probably a
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: lot of that's not correct. So she's also talking about
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Mica being a cheater with men and women and whoever.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Now we're like, yeah, I do think he's a cheater.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: He admitted he cheated. But it's like, now are we
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: gonna like not. You can't believe anything she says now
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: because she's said so many things that don't now add
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: up seeing on the show, you.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, it's crazy because again I do think she
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: was treated poorly by their family. You also can't call
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: someone a bully and then turn around to be a bully.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: No one's going to believe you anymore, which is exactly
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: what's happened to her. Yeah, there are things that she
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: has said about the family that I'm like, that's right,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: I know that. Yeah, And then there are other things
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: that she has said that I'm like, I knew that
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: family for a decade. There's no that that's not true. Yeah,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Like why would you discredit your own message by embellishing
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: or live or making things up? Like, why would you
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: do that to your own record if you want to
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: be believed?
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I yeah. And again at the beginning, we were like, Okay,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: here's another woman that's going to come in this family
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: and show it like it is. But it didn't turn
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: out that way.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Funny because she left me a comment yesterday and a TikTok.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: She left me a lot of comments yes to be
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: on TikTok. She decided in the span of like a
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: day that she hates me now because I said we
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: weren't friends, because you're not.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: It's not like she's your buddy that you're calling her up.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Or she was telling everyone on Reddit that we talked
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: every day, and I'm like, no, we don't. But I
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: was just kind of waiting to see how things played out,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: and I was waiting for her to show her behavior
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: because I'd been told things but I'd never seen it confirmed,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: and I wanted to see from her directly. And as
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: the season has aired and I've seen things from her.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: I started to put my like some distance between us
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: because I don't align with bullies or bigots. It's just
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: not who I am. She left me in comment yesterday
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: on TikTok saying that I am the antithesis of everything
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: that I say I am, and it's very comedic to her.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: And she said, I'm I'm always honest, or she said
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: I'm messy but always honest. And I was like, it's
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: not even worth my time responding to that, because we
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: all know you're not honest. Yeah, we know that it's
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: just not worth my time answering. But it's funny that
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: she views herself that way.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I kind of go back to the whole
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: thing with Teagan is like Mike says, she met Teagan
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: one other time, everything was fine, and now she's got
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: in her head that Tiegan has only fans and so
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: she hates her. But he goes, but like, why why
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: even if Tegan was the biggest only fans star in
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: the world that have to do with her, why would
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: that make her hate her?
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And also, let's for a second entertain a hypothetical situation.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Let's say someone like Tiagan was the biggest only fan
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: star in the world. And let's say you caught your
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: boyfriend watching her things and looking at that. Then you
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: have two choices. You can either talk about how in
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: your relationship it's okay to view that kind of thing,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: or it's not. And if it's not, then you walk
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: away and break up, Like you give that person a
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: chance to like, Okay, we're not okay with this, don't
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: do it again. If it's a repeat offense, then you
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: walk away and break up. Like why would you say?
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: I will never accept this behavior. But the way that
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: you handle that is you can never talk to this
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: person again, and I'm going to control every move, Like
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: just just walk away, just.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Break up, Just break up. She clearly thinks he's an
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: idiot and not you know, in beneath her and all this.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: And then she even said in that same therapy session
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: where she said the family was assessed, well, which is
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: not the correct word, she said something about the golden rules.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: She said, I believe in the Golden rule. You know,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: you treat me nice and I'll treat you nice, and
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: if you don't, I won't treat you nice. And and
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Mike goes, yeah, it's like in the Bible, you know,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: basically like treat others with respect, or treat others as
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: you would treat your neighbor as yourself or whatever. And
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: she just laughs and looks at the therapists like he's
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: so stupid. The Golden rule is in the Bible, oh
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: my god.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: And I said it was one of the ten Commandments,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: and that's not true.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: But love your neighbor as yourself is in the Ten Commandments,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: which is the same as treating other people with the
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: same respect you would want them to treat you. Yeah,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: I and he's not completely wrong, but she's such an
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: asshole about everything.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, love your neighbor as yourself. I don't think it's
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: in the Ten Commandments. I think that's a command that
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Jesus gives the New Testament, where he says love the
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: Lord or all your heart, someone and strength, and love
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: your neighbor as yourself.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, so by the way, you would know more than me.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Right. I had a sorry, I mean to be like
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: right condescendingly. No, No, I had I had a chuckle
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: when I heard Mica say that, because I was just like,
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: it's always the people who use the Bible to justify
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: how they treat other people that don't actually know what's
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: in the Bible. So I had a chuggle when I
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: heard Mica say that, But then when I heard Veronica's response,
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, but it's one thing to be
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: like that's not the correct accuracy. It's another thing to
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: belittle someone and like treat them that way for it.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: I had a chuckle because I was like, that's not right,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: and if you claim to be a Christian, like, how
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: do you not know that? And then but like I
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: why talk to him that way? Again? Like I don't
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: understand hating someone so much that you treat them that
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: way and yet you still want to be in a
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: relationship with them. Yeah, if you hate someone that much,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: break up with them.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Which I don't know if this actually I don't. I
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: don't think that this will air in this season. But
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: in one of the conversations I had with Veronica on
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: the phone, she told me about mike A cheating on her,
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: and I said to her, I was like, Veronica, plaths aside,
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: why would you stay with someone who treated you that way? Right?
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: I don't care if it's a Plath or not. Why
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: would you stay with someone who treated you that way
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: walk away, it's not worth it.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: But this episode I kind of got the feeling because
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: she curls his hair before the wedding. It's this whole
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: scene of her curling his hair, and his hair did
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: look amazing at the wedding, but now we know why,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: and it's a whole thing about he's like, look at me,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: and she's like, oh, you look like a porn star.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: And you see kind of like a cute moment between
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: them where they seem kind of like hot for each other,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: like for just like four seconds. And then in the car,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: you know, she says, I think we look good. We
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: give off good vibes, which I'm like, the last thing
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: you go off is good vibes, you give off villain.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: But she goes, I think we look good. He goes,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: our hair is curled, we look good, And I go,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: maybe this is sort of their thing. We're both good looking.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: We walk into her room and people are like, WHOA,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: look at that stunning couple. Like maybe that's sort of
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: what they built their relationship on. And so she that's
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: very important to her to be like, look out, we're
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: both very attractive. Because I just like trying to find
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: a reason that she likes him, you know, other than
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: he's good liking.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: My first impression of Micah and Veronica was before they
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: were like officially officially together, I guess from Mike's point
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: of view, from Veronica's point of view, they were together.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: And this was before Ethan and I split up, and
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Micah told Ethan that living in la was becoming too
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: expensive for him and he was thinking of moving to
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Florida to moving with Veronica. And Ethan was like why,
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Like you don't really know this girl that well, like
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: why are you moving in with her? And Micah literally
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: told Ethan, well, if I live with her, I don't
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: have to pay rent and I'm kind of broke. And
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: so that was my first thing where I was like, so,
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Mike is just using a girl. And then when I
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: saw the relationship, I was like, I think they're both
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: getting something out of this. I'm not quite sure what,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: but I think it might be mutual. At the end
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: end of the day, I really did wish well for them,
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: because I don't want to wish ill on anyone else's relationship. Yeah,
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: I really hoped that they'd be able to like figure
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: it out and make it work, but.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Well for the timeline of this wedding situation. You and
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: I had talked before, and you were like, kind of,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: here's my interesting for my sources, and then what she's
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: saying kind of does in align with my sources, and
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: I guess we're going to find out more next week.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: But I've been saying all along ago. My understanding is
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: that I got from you, which is the whole thing
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: started because she called Kaylin a slut. All we've heard
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: the whole entire season is her bad mouthing Teagan to
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: call on Teagan a slut, So I was like, oh,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: I wonder if like that got twisted, But no, what
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: happened is that she saw Isaac and Caylen walking with
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Micah and yelled out to Michael, why are you with
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: that slut because she thought Kaylen was Teagan, And then
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Isaac didn't take kindly to his girlfriend being called a slut.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: I didn't know the details. I knew that a producer
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: told me she called Kaylin a slut and that's why
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: the boys fought. And then when I talked to Veronica
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: and I this is the last phone conversation we ever had,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: she called me after her and Mike ha broke up
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: that day at the farm. I was like, they all
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: ganged up on me, which is, well, I've seen some
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: of the footage that the whole family like sat her
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: down and they did gang up on her, and like,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: I can admit that she was backed into a corner then, yeah.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: But also I told her, I was like, well, I've
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: been told that you called Kaylin a slut, and she
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: didn't deny it, and I was just like, Veronica, I
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: will never condone slut shaming a woman, like, we don't
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: insult woman that way.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: And she said it in the last episode. I bet
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: she said the word slut twelve times. She said it
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: over and over and over. And Micah said, Veronica is
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: walking around giving out the vibes like ooh, there's a
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: slut in air midst and even Mike is like, I mean,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: and he goes and I don't understand why she hates
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: her so bad.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when when you and I talked back before like
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: all of this stuff started coming out, I think I
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: remember telling you at the time. I could be wrong,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: but this is just what my source said that she
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: called me, and I didn't realize it was because she
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: mistook them.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: She mistook them because they do look exactly like people
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: are fingers crossed for tiking because it seems like they
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: unfollowed each other on Instagram or something, or people like
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: fingers crossed. The teaking came to her senses. But I
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, I don't know Taylan. I don't know
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: she's real country. But you know, I speak country, so
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: I I interested her just fine. People were like, what
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: is she even saying? I was like what, And they
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: were like making fun of some words that she said.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: I go, well, that's how I say it too, so
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: like like naked and said naked and you know, so
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: Hoseana was at the wedding. They blurred her out, even
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: if it was like half a mile away. It was
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: the tiniest blur. But I mean, obviously she's blurred out,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: now does she? Is she also teen? Barry? We have
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: to assume she's because the girls are seen Barry. I'm
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: not sure.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: I know that she still talks to a lot of
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: her family and is close with them. I'm not sure
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: who's included in that and who's not.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: They they talk so much about, you know, Zach's like
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: I've met the whole family. Everybody in the fam. They
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: talk so much about the whole family, the whole family.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: I have the whole family, but they it's like she's
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: I put up a picture at least once a week
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: and it's like Hosannah, like rip because I was like,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: you haven't met the whole family. We haven't seen Hosannah,
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: but they actually doesn't exist at all.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that this makes sense to me because
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: from season one, Hosannah briefly appeared in season one and
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: then he wasn't on the show. And if the show
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: is following your family's life and there's a family member
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: who one lives far away, you don't see very often
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: and does not want to be on the show, or
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: is not included on the show, you wouldn't bring them up.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: You like, respect their private life.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: You let them do that.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: So from halfway through season one starting season two, Hoseannah
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: was never a part of the show, and we all
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: kind of became used to saying, oh, the whole family,
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: meaning the whole family on the show, and she knows
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: bar Away and she's the only one, so like it
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: just kind of morphed. And I know a lot of
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: people have talked about like that. They even forget she exists,
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: but it's a natural like thing that happens over time
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: when a family member wants a private life and everyone
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: else is public, and you get used to addressing the
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: public group and the other one is just kind of
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: like you let them live their private life. That makes
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: sense to me.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Well, it's a little bit like this is throwing it
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: way back to way before your time. But one of
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: the first reality shows was The Osbourne about Ozzy Osbourne,
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: and the sister was never on, and people are like,
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: why don't they ever talk about this sisters Like she
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: decided she didn't want to do it.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're not going to talk about someone who
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: who doesn't want a public life.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: But it just seemed like they would even be like,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: we're so happy but because a grand Banser here, my
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: sister Hosannah is here, just.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Like to be. But they just, I mean, the same
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: thing for sharing photos of her on social She doesn't
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: want her photos shared on social she doesn't want her
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: four kids on social media, like, none of that. So
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: it just becomes a natural thing when you're really used
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: to leaving someone out of the equation that you just
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: start to talk about the remaining equation as the whole well.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: I imagine, being that she was Hosanna in the highest
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: and then there was Lydia that we imagined that she
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: probably also turned on Kim since Kim decided to leave
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: this lead this who she lifestyle with Kim.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: I knew her and Kim are not close like they
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: used to be. They used to be joined at the hip. Yeah,
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: And anytime Ethan and I would try to have a
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: conversation with Kim about her behavior and things going on,
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: she always had to bring Hosanna to be her back up.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: And I know they're not close like that anymore, but
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: I don't really know the nature of all of her
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: other relationships.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Lydia and Zach were on one of the Dugger People podcasts,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: and it was very interesting me the language that Lydia
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: used around her mother, because she would say things like
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: I was seventeen when my mother left us, like things
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: like that, and I was like, that's very It's interesting, right,
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: It's like because Lydia was always the one Cinderelli in
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: the kitchen doing all the work. And let me tell
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: you something else about that you just said. That sparked
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: something to me about Lydia kind of being a non entity. Right.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: The very first episode of this season, we have the
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: two of them, the broke down Tony soprano, Ethan out
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: with his cigar and his black T shirt, and then
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Kim with a terrible camera angle, and they're sitting in
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: these folding chairs in the middle of the woods like
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: total Hillbillies and the words of Veronica, and they're like,
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: this happened, this happened. And Lydia, where nothing much happens
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: to had something exciting happened. I was like, what a
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: rude thing to say about your daughter and your sister
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: like Lydia, who nothing ever happens with. Yeah, it's just
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: like that. I really listen. I just wish that Lydia
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: and Zach would move away and start their own life
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: and be near his family, which seems to be much
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: more functional, and she doesn't need to be around these
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: people that openly or calling her husband gay and making
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: fun of him and not supporting their marriage. I mean
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: for her mother and the kids, for her mother to
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: go just like Ethan said, they just want to fuck,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: and you're like, that is your daughter, ma'am.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: If Zach and Lydia want to make their relationship work,
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: I think moving away is in their best interest.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: But they chose to move to Tallahassee to be closer
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: to the family.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Also to be on the show.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: Also to be on the show. Okay, so we will
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: end with this. Last time I asked you these questions,
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you again with different characters. Okay.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: Oh no, if you had to be on a stranded
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: issland with one person from the show, yeah, I'm gonna
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: give you the three people to choose far Okay. The
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: three choices this time were Veronica, Isaac or Ethan.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: The Rage brothers feel like they could commit hate crime
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: any day, so I'm gonna choose Veronica.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, do you think? But see last time, you based
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: your your answers on who would help you get off
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: the island, and you said, we said that Mica would
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: be too busy doing selfies, and Lydia would be off
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: singing in the forest, and somebody else. You said, Mariah
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: would just leave you alone. And You're like, and I
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: don't need their help to build a raft to get
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: off this island.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: I mean that was when my choices were very much
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: based on staying alive. With three brothers, there's no guarantee,
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: so I'll take Oh no.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: No, no, they're taking you down first.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, sure, and it's two against one, so I'll.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: Go with Ronica. Now I have another last for you.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: I don't like to say Mary fuck kill because I
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: don't think kill is nice, so I would say Mary
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: fuck blast into space. Okay, okay, Ken, Barry Isaac. Terrible choices,
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: but this is the game, Ken, Barry Isaac, Mary fuck
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: send to space.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: We're sending all three of them to space. I cannot
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: play that game, like, there is actually no way I
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: can answer.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: That because it would mean you'd have to bang one
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: of them.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna log off now.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, tell me what's going on with you. You
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: still have your cute boyfriend Brendan. I do, yes, yes.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: I keep our relationship very private offline, and it works
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: really really well for us. He's a very private person.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: Agreed to go on the show for a hot second
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: to support me and said I don't ever want to
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: do that again. So anyways, yeah, I keep our relationship offline.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: That works really well for us. But we're still together.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, And then you're still doing your amazing photography and
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: I just saw you were all over you were like Croatia, Italy, France.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: I was like, is she working? She is she partying?
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: Is she what is she doing?
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: I have always loved to travel, and I do travel
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: and nationally for weddings. I had a wedding in Italy.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: This year, I had a wedding in France. But on
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: top of that, I've recently started kind of stepping into
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: the travel collaboration space, and so I collaborated with a
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: few travel companies this year. I went to six different
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: European countries on one and then I'm going to Zimbabwe
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: for a month with another.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: Yeow.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: It has kind of opened this door, this opportunity to
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: host group trips with these companies. So I go on
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: a trip first, I kind of see what it's all about.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: I create social media content for them, and if I
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: like working with them, I can host a group chip
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: in the future. So I'm currently getting ready to host
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: a group trip. It'll be for next summer in Europe,
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: and we're gonna announce all the details in like next
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: week or so, and I'm super super excited. It's something
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: that I never really thought of as a good fit
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: for me. I didn't really realize that existed, and then
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: the more I thought about how much I love to travel,
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: how much has changed me as a person and contributed
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: to my deconstruction and evolution. Then it just kind of
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: made sense that I'd want to share that with other people.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: So yeah, starting next summer, I'm hosting my first group trip.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: That is cool to how many people can go on
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: this trip?
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: The one that we're going to announce first, I think
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: has twelve squats open.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Can can elderly ladies contend?
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Any age?
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: I saw the one that you did. I think was Croatia,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: and you're like, I never thought about coming here, but
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: everybody talks about how beautiful Croatia is.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So the one that I'm doing next year will
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: be Northern Macedonia, Albania, Croatia, Bosnia, Herzegovina, Slovenia. I think
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: I might have Montenegro. I missed one, so it'll be
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: like through the Balkans. There six different countries and if
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: that one books up, we'll open up a second one.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: Wow, you're killing it.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm genuinely so excited for this.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: And if everybody wants to find you and find out
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: how to find out about your travels and all that,
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: where can they find you?
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: The best place is Instagram. My Instagram is Olivia Marie
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: Plath and everything that I do is linked there.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Do you have any comments for the people that say
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: you shouldn't have the last name Plath?
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: If they want it so badly, they can go down
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: to the courthouse and change their last name to Plath. Yeah.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: I think you know, if I was to get divorced,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: I would keep Mary paying Gilbert because that's just my
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: name now, you know.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I went through all of the hard work to
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: change all of my federal paperworkover to change everything in
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: the system to my married name, and I am not
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: about one to go through all the work of changing
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: it back to This is my identity. This is my
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: adult identity, what I've done all of my business under.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: It's who I've become known as. If I were to
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: go back to my maiden name, I'm not that person anymore.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: And for everyone who's like, well, then just come up
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: with a completely separate name, like you have to make
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: something up why last name? Last names don't belong to men?
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: And anytime Ethan's like I mean not Ethan, that was
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: a Fordian slip. Anytime people will say, well, that's Ethan's
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: last name. You can't keep it. I'm like, it's not
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: his last name, because you could go to the courthouse
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: and get the exact same last name if you belong
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: to anyone. It's crazy.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and just see how long it took for you
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: to try to get your driver's license changed. Think how
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: long it takes to switch that stuff back. Yeah, oh
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: my god, I'm.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: Not about to do that.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, Well, everybody follow Olivia Olivia, me Marie Plath,
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: and also follow me at Pink Shade Pod. Don't hang up,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: and thank you, Olivia. I'll always love talking to you.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me back five