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Speaker 1: This is HeartWise, offering practical tips and time-proven guidelines to
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Speaker 1: make your life healthier, happier, and more fulfilling. Today you'll
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Speaker 1: learn simple Bible-based principles for building and maintaining optimum mental
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Speaker 1: and physical health, all while deepening your relationship with your Creator. Hello, everyone.
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Speaker 1: This is Charles Mills, health reporter for HeartWise Ministries. Our
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Speaker 1: guest today is Michael Greger. He is a physician, author,
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Speaker 1: and internationally recognized speaker on nutrition, food safety, and public
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Speaker 1: health issues. He's also the man behind NutritionFacts.org, an amazing
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Speaker 1: website that contains just about anything you want to know
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Speaker 1: about clinical nutrition. Last time on this program, we were
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Speaker 1: talking about the top 10 searches that indicate to me,
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Speaker 1: and I'm sure to Dr. Greger, what the audience out there,
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Speaker 1: what the people out there really are looking for. And
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Speaker 1: we covered those areas, 10 through 5. So today we
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Speaker 1: talk about the last top four, the top four searches
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Speaker 1: on nutritionfacts.org when it comes to clinical nutrition. Before we
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Speaker 1: get into those very important subjects, and this may surprise you,
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Speaker 1: what some people are looking for, and it may be
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Speaker 1: what you're looking for as well, Just recently, Dr. Gregory,
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Speaker 1: you and a bunch of your cronies, and I say
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Speaker 1: that with all the love and affection, you were in
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Speaker 1: Texas for a very important meeting. What was happening there,
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Speaker 1: and who was there, and what happened?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this was really one of the most exciting things.
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Speaker 2: I think we're reaching a tipping point here in society.
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Speaker 2: You know, President Clinton is starting to eat healthy, adopting
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Speaker 2: a plant-based diet to reverse his heart disease. You know,
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Speaker 2: things like that. You know, Oprah Winfrey and Ellen and
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Speaker 2: all these, you know, have these shows about plant-based eating.
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Speaker 2: Things are really starting to change. But the fact that
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Speaker 2: here I was in Marshall, Texas, rural Texas near the
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Speaker 2: Louisiana border, at this conference put on by the mayor,
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Speaker 2: who eats a strictly plant-based diet, and the police chief
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Speaker 2: eats a strictly plant-based diet, and hundreds of people showed
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Speaker 2: up to learn about plant-based eating. This entire little town
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Speaker 2: rallying around you know, preventing, treating, and reversing disease. This
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Speaker 2: is in the stroke belt. This is a very unhealthy
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Speaker 2: part of the country.
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Speaker 1: This is in beef country, for goodness sakes.
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Speaker 2: People... So here we are in cattle country, people getting up.
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Speaker 2: And the best speakers weren't the doctors, weren't the, you know,
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Speaker 2: world-renowned scientists like Dr. Colin Campbell, who was there speaking.
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Speaker 2: It was the people, one after another, got up and said, look...
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Speaker 2: You know, six weeks ago I started dealing this way,
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Speaker 2: and all of a sudden I'm, you know, out of
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Speaker 2: pain the first time in my adult life. My diabetes
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Speaker 2: is gone. I used to be on nine different medications.
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Speaker 2: Now I'm on no medication. You know, I lost hundreds
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Speaker 2: of pounds. I mean, these were people, these were their
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Speaker 2: fellow townspeople being able to live their lives again, being
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Speaker 2: told by the medical profession that, you know, basically to
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Speaker 2: go home and die. There's nothing else they could do
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Speaker 2: for them. And here they were taking charge of their lives,
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Speaker 2: taking charge of their health, And they were inspiring each other.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I was in tears. I mean, you know,
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Speaker 2: it was, I learned, you know, as much as anybody there.
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Speaker 2: And when this can happen in Marshall, Texas, I mean,
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Speaker 2: I think that the future is very, very bright in
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Speaker 2: terms of really changing the health of our country around.
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Speaker 1: You really bring up an important point there. Those of
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Speaker 1: us who have listened to this program and who have
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Speaker 1: made these changes, We are the best advertisement for health
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Speaker 1: out there. Would you say that's true?
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Speaker 2: It's important to role model health, absolutely.
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes.
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Speaker 1: And we can just take our slimmed-down bodies, and we
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Speaker 1: can take our broad smiles and our healthy hearts, and
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Speaker 1: we can run around and we can say, you know, hey,
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Speaker 1: if you would like to learn about this, I'll be
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Speaker 1: happy to tell you. Don't push yourself on anybody, but
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Speaker 1: just say, you know, if you would like to learn
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Speaker 1: more about this, here's a website, here's a speaker, here's
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Speaker 1: some programs you can look at, here's some videos you
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Speaker 1: can watch. We need to do that, because I'm going
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Speaker 1: to make a little prediction here, Dr. Greger, and you
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Speaker 1: may correct me, but you know more about this than
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Speaker 1: I do, but I would say that in 30 or
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Speaker 1: 40 years, maybe even sooner... Eating meat is going to
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Speaker 1: be like smoking is today. Would you say I'm on
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Speaker 1: the right track as far as people's attitudes are concerned?
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Speaker 2: I mean, it already is like smoking today in terms
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Speaker 2: of our chronic disease burden, but it'll get into the
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Speaker 2: public consciousness. And we may see, you know, lawsuits, you know,
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Speaker 2: against the junk food and the animal product industries, you know,
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Speaker 2: trying to recoup some of these health care costs that
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Speaker 2: are bankrupting states, bankrupting our federal government. and saying, you know,
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Speaker 2: like these billion-dollar, you know, suits against the tobacco industry.
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Speaker 2: They knew what they were selling was hurting people, but
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Speaker 2: they kept doing it. And we may see warning labels.
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Speaker 2: There's already the food safety warning label. This could kill
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Speaker 2: you if you don't handle it and cook it right. Well,
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Speaker 2: soon we may see labels saying, look, this is going
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Speaker 2: to increase your risk of the chronic killer diseases, you know,
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Speaker 2: heart disease, cancer, stroke, diabetes, obesity, et cetera, on down
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Speaker 2: the list. And look, if people still want to you know,
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Speaker 2: eat these products, they should do it, you know, fully informed, right?
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Speaker 2: I mean, they should just look, you know, smoking's not illegal,
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Speaker 2: but look, at least now people know this is what
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Speaker 2: you're putting yourself at risk when you smoke.
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Speaker 1: I can't tell you the number of times I've stood
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Speaker 1: in the grocery checkout line and the person in front
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Speaker 1: of me maybe has a weight problem or, you know,
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Speaker 1: is limping and I know that there's some diabetes happening there.
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Speaker 1: I just want to grab their cart and throw it
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Speaker 1: across the room and say, look, let me show you
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Speaker 1: how to shop here. I listen to Dr. Greger. He
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Speaker 1: can show you how to shop too. I try to
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Speaker 1: restrain myself and guide them to places like nutritionfacts.org.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 1: I'll get off my soapbox now. The four, the top four,
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Speaker 1: top searches on nutritionfacts.org, an indication of what people are
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Speaker 1: looking for as you have put these studies up and
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Speaker 1: the compilation of these studies and the summaries of these
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Speaker 1: studies up for us to look at. Number four, the
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Speaker 1: leaky gut theory of why animal products cause inflammation. Leaky gut.
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Speaker 1: What's going on there?
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Speaker 2: Well, for 15 years now, we've known that a single
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Speaker 2: meal of meat, eggs, or dairy causes the spike of
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Speaker 2: inflammation within hours that can stiffen our arteries. Our entire
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Speaker 2: vascular tree gets inflamed, stiffened. and just as this kind
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Speaker 2: of inflammatory crippled state in our arteries starts to get
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Speaker 2: better about four, five, six hours after we eat, there
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Speaker 2: we go, lunchtime, we may whack our arteries with another
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Speaker 2: load of meat, eggs, or dairy, such that many Americans
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Speaker 2: are stuck in this chronic, low-grade inflammation danger zone, setting
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Speaker 2: us up for inflammatory disease like heart disease, cancer, and diabetes,
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Speaker 2: one meal at a time. And again, this is This
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Speaker 2: is damage occurring not years down the road, but literally
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Speaker 2: minutes after it goes into our mouth. But we didn't
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Speaker 2: know why. We didn't know what exactly is going on.
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Speaker 2: We know there's a saturated fat and cholesterol that builds
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Speaker 2: up later on, but why within hours do we get
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Speaker 2: this burst of inflammation within our system? And we just
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Speaker 2: figured out why last year. And so I covered that
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Speaker 2: kind of breakthrough study that we kind of figured it out.
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Speaker 2: So originally, I mean, that was the leaky gut theory
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Speaker 2: was we were thinking that the animal products somehow made
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Speaker 2: our guts leaky and so our own bacteria in our
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Speaker 2: gut creeped into our bloodstream. And so, of course, that
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Speaker 2: would cause a lot of inflammation. But it turns out, no,
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Speaker 2: the bacterial toxins, the bacteria are in the animal products themselves.
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Speaker 2: That these animal products are so loaded with bacteria. that
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Speaker 2: can cause inflammation dead or alive, even if they're fully cooked.
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Speaker 2: I'm not talking about food poisoning, but the actual bacteria
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Speaker 2: cell walls, these so-called endotoxins, these toxins in the bacteria
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Speaker 2: are not destroyed by cooking or stomach acid or the
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Speaker 2: enzymes in the digestive tract. And so when we eat
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Speaker 2: this load of bacteria toxins, it gets absorbed through our
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Speaker 2: gut wall with saturated fat helping that process. And so
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Speaker 2: we get this, you know, we're acutely sensitive to bacterial toxins,
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Speaker 2: so we get this burst of inflammation every time we
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Speaker 2: eat these animal products. And so now that we know
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Speaker 2: what the answer is, what we can do is we
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Speaker 2: can go out of our way to reduce, eliminate animal
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Speaker 2: products from our diet so we don't get this burst
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Speaker 2: of inflammation every time we eat three times a day.
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Speaker 1: Very good. We're talking with Michael Greger here. He is
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Speaker 1: a physician and author and speaker, and also he is
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Speaker 1: the driving force behind the website nutritionfacts.org. We're looking at
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Speaker 1: the top four searches on that site in the last
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Speaker 1: few months. And the next one, oh dear, there are people, Dr. Greger,
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Speaker 1: who swear by green tea, and how dare you find
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Speaker 1: something better than green tea? What's going on?
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Speaker 2: Well, in terms of antioxidants, this new study came out
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Speaker 2: that looked at 3,291 different foods. I didn't even know
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Speaker 2: there were that many out there in terms of antioxidant content.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this really just blew away. The last study
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Speaker 2: was done by the USDA in 2007, looked at 277 foods.
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Speaker 2: So this is I mean, kind of an order of
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Speaker 2: magnitude more. And so I had a whole series of
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Speaker 2: videos saying, wow, now that we've tested basically everything, you know,
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Speaker 2: we can really compare. And so this was the one
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Speaker 2: that looked at beverages. So it compared tea to coffee
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Speaker 2: to various juices and teas and herbal teas and milk,
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Speaker 2: et cetera, on down the line, trying to find out, well,
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Speaker 2: you know, what has the most kind of antioxidant punch
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Speaker 2: per glass. And what I was surprised is that it
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Speaker 2: used to be green tea. Green tea had the highest
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Speaker 2: antioxidant power. And so you could basically bathe your body
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Speaker 2: in green tea all day long by drinking these antioxidant-rich teas.
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Speaker 2: But it turns out there's one that's even better. There's
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Speaker 2: one beverage that even has more antioxidants. Now, green tea
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Speaker 2: may have special phytonutrients that have specific effects that are
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Speaker 2: missing from other beverages. But in terms of antioxidant content,
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Speaker 2: hibiscus tea. And so that's this beautiful red flower. People
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Speaker 2: tend to buy it as like red zinger tea. That's
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Speaker 2: what puts the zing in zinger tea. It makes this
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Speaker 2: gorgeous ruby red herbal tea, no caffeine, has more antioxidants
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Speaker 2: per sip than any other beverage on the planet. And
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Speaker 2: so I encourage people to try it out. In fact,
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Speaker 2: there are many countries, for example, down in Mexico, they
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Speaker 2: call it Jamaica tea. And it's kind of the iced
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Speaker 2: tea of Mexico. And they had it right all along,
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Speaker 2: and it's delicious stuff. And I encourage people to give
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Speaker 2: it a try. And so that's kind of my go-to
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Speaker 2: beverage these days. And so I had some recipes up
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Speaker 2: on the site. And so better than green tea is
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Speaker 2: the video to go to to learn more about hibiscus.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I'm glad you say that because I
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Speaker 1: have been drinking, I didn't know that it was so wonderful.
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Speaker 1: I haven't been drinking green tea, but I've been drinking
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Speaker 1: this other tea simply because I like the name, Red Zinger.
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Speaker 1: I mean, what better name can you have for a tea?
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Speaker 1: I'm going to have some Red Zinger there. There we go.
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Speaker 1: So that's going to help you. Red Zinger is the
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Speaker 1: name of it. Go to your health food store or
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Speaker 1: most any store that has teas and you can find
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Speaker 1: something called Red Zinger and it has the hibiscus in there.
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Speaker 1: and you will be just loading yourself up with antioxidants, which,
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Speaker 1: of course, we know are important for cancer fighting. We'll
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Speaker 1: take a short break, and when we come back, more
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Speaker 1: with Dr. Michael Greger. We have the top two searches
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Speaker 1: on the website nutritionfacts.org coming up, so stay right where
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Speaker 1: you are.
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Speaker 3: Testing, testing. Okay, ready. Dear diary, the teacher of my
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Speaker 3: health class at school wants us to keep a record
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Speaker 3: of what we do to stay healthy each day. So
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Speaker 3: here goes. Today, I stood on the playground and breathed
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Speaker 3: deeply six times, which some kids thought was kind of
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Speaker 3: dumb because I was playing soccer at the time and
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Speaker 3: my team was losing. What they didn't know was that
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Speaker 3: breathing deeply helps relax you and makes you smarter. Breathing
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Speaker 3: deeply fills your blood with oxygen, and that oxygen goes
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Speaker 3: to your brain and muscles and makes them work better.
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Speaker 3: Trust me, my team needed to work better right about then.
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Speaker 3: So there I was, breathing deeply, when the ball comes
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Speaker 3: flying out of the sky and hits me right on
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Speaker 3: the head. That made me so embarrassed, I went over
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Speaker 3: and kicked it as hard as I could. That ball
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Speaker 3: flew down to the end of the field and bounced
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Speaker 3: right into the net.
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Speaker 2: Goal!
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Speaker 3: Now, I'm not saying that breathing deeply will help your
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Speaker 3: soccer game, but it will reduce your stress and make
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Speaker 3: your organs healthier. My health teacher said it can even
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Speaker 3: reduce your blood pressure, which I really needed at that time.
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Speaker 3: You see, when I got embarrassed and kicked the ball,
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Speaker 3: I kind of kicked it in the wrong direction and
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Speaker 3: it went right into my own net. Yep, that's right.
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Speaker 3: I scored a goal for the other team. They were
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Speaker 3: very happy and congratulated me. My team wasn't so thrilled.
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Speaker 3: What did I learn today? Breathing deeply is good. But
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Speaker 3: if a ball hits you on the head and makes
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Speaker 3: you embarrassed, don't kick it.
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Speaker 1: God has given us everything we need to be healthy
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Speaker 1: inside and out. During Creation Week, He established a health
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Speaker 1: plan for every creature on earth. To learn more about
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Speaker 1: healthy living and about the God who created us all,
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Speaker 1: go to kidsbibleinfo.com. That's kidsbibleinfo.com. This program was brought to
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Speaker 1: you by the Children's Ministries Department of the General Conference
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Speaker 1: of Seventh-day Adventists. Welcome back to the program. I'm Charles
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Speaker 1: Mills here with Dr. Michael Greger. He is not only
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Speaker 1: a physician and author and internationally recognized speaker on nutrition,
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Speaker 1: he's also a founding member of the American College of
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Speaker 1: Lifestyle Medicine and also the Director of Public Health and
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Speaker 1: Animal Agriculture at the Humane Society Foundation. of the United States.
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Speaker 1: He is a busy man, and one of the things
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Speaker 1: he does is maintain a website called nutritionfacts.org, and on
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Speaker 1: that site are hundreds. How many videos do you think
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Speaker 1: you have on there by now, Dr.
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Speaker 2: Greger? We're up to about one a day, and so
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Speaker 2: there's about 600 videos now on more than 1,500 topics.
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Speaker 1: And these are searchable, so you can just put in
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Speaker 1: what you want to know in the search engine there,
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Speaker 1: and it will find the videos on those topics. It
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Speaker 1: is where I go first. I just want you to
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Speaker 1: know when I want to know something about nutrition, that's
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Speaker 1: where I go first. Then I wander off other places
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Speaker 1: if I need to, but I usually don't. That's where
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Speaker 1: I go first, nutritionfacts.org. I love that site. You can
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Speaker 1: probably tell.
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Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 1: Number two search recently on that site is apparently women
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Speaker 1: trying to find out how to live longer. I guess
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Speaker 1: traditionally women have to have, have they lived longer than
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Speaker 1: men traditionally? How's that working?
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Speaker 2: Oh, they do. They have. But unfortunately, we've reached a
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Speaker 2: point where our next generation may live shorter lives as
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Speaker 2: opposed to longer lives than the current generation.
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Speaker 1: All right. So women are wanting to know how to
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Speaker 1: live longer, and you say what they should eat. What
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Speaker 1: is that exactly?
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Speaker 2: Well, the Harvard Nurses' Health Study, the 35-year follow-up, was
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Speaker 2: just published. So it's now the most definitive long-term study
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Speaker 2: ever on older women's health here in the United States.
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Speaker 2: And since, look, it's been going on for decades, you know,
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Speaker 2: thousands of participants have died. But in that time, it
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Speaker 2: allowed them to determine what are the risk factors for mortality. Well, because,
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Speaker 2: you know, heart disease is the leading cause of death
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Speaker 2: for women. And no surprise, you know, dietary cholesterol consumption
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Speaker 2: only found in animal foods, significant risk factor for dying.
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Speaker 2: Second leading cause was smoking-related cancer death. And more women
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Speaker 2: actually die of lung cancer than they do of breast cancer.
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Speaker 2: But what's so neat about this study is it's what's
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Speaker 2: called a competing risks analysis. So it basically allows you
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Speaker 2: to compare different risks to one another. So consuming the
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Speaker 2: amount of cholesterol found in just a single egg a
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Speaker 2: day appears to cut a woman's life short as much
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Speaker 2: as smoking five cigarettes a day for 15 years. That's 25,000 cigarettes.
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Speaker 2: And so, and that was a finding supported last year
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Speaker 2: by that landmark article got a lot of press found
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Speaker 2: this similar exponential increase in artery clogging plaque in both
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Speaker 2: smokers and egg eaters. But on the flip side, the
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Speaker 2: most protective behavior they found was fiber consumption. So you just,
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Speaker 2: a cup of oatmeal's worth of fiber a day appears
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Speaker 2: to extend a woman's life as much as four hours
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Speaker 2: of jogging a week. Of course, there's no reason you
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Speaker 2: can't do both. But I think the take-home message, it's
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Speaker 2: worth noting that the intake of cholesterol, only found in
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Speaker 2: animal foods, was associated with living a shorter life. And
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Speaker 2: the intake of fiber, only found in plant foods, was
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Speaker 2: associated with living a longer life.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, there is no reason on this earth
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Speaker 1: why we cannot live a healthy life. I am just
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Speaker 1: convinced of that. We have been led to believe that
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Speaker 1: it's heredity, it's what's in our genes that determines our
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Speaker 1: length of life. Some people even say, well, okay, it's
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Speaker 1: my exercise regime, it's my diet. The answer is all
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Speaker 1: of the above. They all play a part of it.
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Speaker 1: But it seems to me, I hear you saying throughout
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Speaker 1: these programs when I have you on here, that diet
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Speaker 1: reigns supreme. Exercise comes in next. These are all very important.
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Speaker 1: And why not do both? Why not drop the egg?
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Speaker 1: Why not drop the cigarette? Why don't we start eating plant-based?
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Speaker 1: Why don't we go for walks? We can really extend
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Speaker 1: ourselves and extend our lives by simply making these simple
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Speaker 1: choices that really don't cost anything at all. Am I
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Speaker 1: on the right track, Dr.
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Speaker 3: Greger?
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Speaker 2: And if we do, if we have been dealt a
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Speaker 2: bad genetic deck, I mean, if we just, you know,
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Speaker 2: our parents, there really has been, you know, bad diets
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Speaker 2: run in families too. But I mean, if people are
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Speaker 2: dying earlier in our family. then that just means we
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Speaker 2: have to eat even healthier. It's not an excuse. It's
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Speaker 2: not to throw up your hands and say, oh, I
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Speaker 2: just have bad genes. Well, if you have bad genes,
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Speaker 2: then you've got to eat really healthy. Some people can
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Speaker 2: get away with a pretty good diet, but for people
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Speaker 2: that have a lot of disease in their family, they
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Speaker 2: may have to eat better than everybody else, so they
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Speaker 2: just have to work harder at it. So no excuse
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Speaker 2: whatsoever to not start eating healthy and no time like
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Speaker 2: the present starting today, tonight.
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Speaker 1: I guess you could say that, listener, if you are
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Speaker 1: overweight and your spouse is overweight and your children are
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Speaker 1: overweight and your dog is overweight, it's not genetics, okay?
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Speaker 1: I think we can probably make that safe assumption. It
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Speaker 1: might be what you're putting in your body. So you
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Speaker 1: might want to check that out. Okay, the number one search,
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Speaker 1: and I'm glad people are looking at this thing because
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Speaker 1: this video is amazing. The number one searched, the number
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Speaker 1: one viewed video on nutritionfacts.org was a presentation that you made.
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Speaker 1: And we did a show on this not too long ago, Dr. Greger,
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Speaker 1: you and I. And it is uprooting the leading causes
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Speaker 1: of death. And you make a case in this video
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Speaker 1: that food is connected to many, and we can almost
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Speaker 1: say all of the leading causes of death. Would I
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Speaker 1: be too far off if I said that?
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Speaker 2: 15 out of 16. Leading killer diseases. Well, actually, all
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Speaker 2: the killer diseases. The only one that doesn't is accidents. Accidents.
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Speaker 2: Fourth leading cause of death. So, but since that's not
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Speaker 2: a disease, one can say that every single one of
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Speaker 2: the top 15 diseases, one can prevent, can be, one
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Speaker 2: can help prevent those diseases, all of them. One can
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Speaker 2: help treat the majority of them and even reverse some
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Speaker 2: of them, including our top three killers, with a plant-based. diet.
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Speaker 2: And so this is kind of my year-in-review talk, me
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Speaker 2: giving this presentation. Unlike the typical presentation, two, three minutes,
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Speaker 2: this is the full hour. But people, I think, come
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Speaker 2: to the website, they're overwhelmed. You've got hundreds of videos,
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Speaker 2: a thousand topics. So I really needed to sit down
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Speaker 2: and just kind of do a summary. Just kind of say, well, look,
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Speaker 2: if you're going to look at one thing, you know, here,
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Speaker 2: go here. I mean, and why not just go literally?
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Speaker 2: I just start with number one, leading cause of death,
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Speaker 2: heart disease, and just work my way down, you know,
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Speaker 2: down to number 14, Parkinson's, and 15, aspiration pneumonia, and say,
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Speaker 2: what role can diet play in preventing, treating, and reversing
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Speaker 2: each one of these? So whether you're thinking about Alzheimer's
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Speaker 2: or diabetes, or emphysema, you know, all the leading cause
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Speaker 2: of death, or even influenza pneumonia. Here we are in
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Speaker 2: flu season. I was surprised. Basically, there were a few
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Speaker 2: I needed to fill in. I didn't have any videos
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Speaker 2: on Parkinson's disease, but look, it's our 14th leading killer.
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Speaker 2: So I looked it up and was amazed to find
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Speaker 2: out we have decades-old data showing that you can not
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Speaker 2: only prevent Parkinson's disease, but actually use plant-based diets to
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Speaker 2: effectively treat Parkinson's disease. Why didn't I learn that in
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Speaker 2: medical school? So I was excited to share this with everybody.
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that because it leads right into
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Speaker 1: what I want to say right now. You identify yourself
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Speaker 1: as one of the leading causes of death in this country, Dr.
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Speaker 2: Greger.
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Speaker 1: You want to explain that to us?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, so, you know, I talk about how, look,
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Speaker 2: there are medications, you know, that one can take cholesterol-lowering
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Speaker 2: medications to reduce one's risk of death from heart disease.
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Speaker 2: blood pressure medications, sugar pills, et cetera. And when I
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Speaker 2: talk about, look, it's the same diet for each. It's
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Speaker 2: not like there's one diet to prevent cancer, a different
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Speaker 2: diet if you're worried about heart disease, a different diet
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Speaker 2: if you're worried about kidney failure or diabetes. The exact
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Speaker 2: same diet works against all of them. And I think, really,
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Speaker 2: if you take a step back, that really tells us
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Speaker 2: what diet we need to eat. There's only one diet
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Speaker 2: on the planet proven to not just prevent and treat
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Speaker 2: but reverse our leading killer. So if there's only one
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Speaker 2: diet that reverses our top killer, well, obviously, that should
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Speaker 2: be the default option unless proven otherwise. And I talk about, well,
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Speaker 2: so not just is it preferable to drugs in most
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Speaker 2: cases because there's no side effects, but I tell people, look,
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Speaker 2: you know, we're not talking a little rash here with
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Speaker 2: side effects, right? Side effects kill. Side effects of prescription
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Speaker 2: drugs kill an estimated 106,000 Americans every year. This is
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Speaker 2: not drug overdose. This is not illicit drugs. This is
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Speaker 2: not people taking drugs in a different way than they
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Speaker 2: were prescribed. These were drugs taken as prescribed by doctors
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Speaker 2: every year in this country, killing over 100,000 people dead
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Speaker 2: from adverse drug reactions. And so if you look down
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Speaker 2: the list, wait a second, that means that drugs are
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Speaker 2: the sixth leading cause of death in this country. The
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Speaker 2: sixth leading cause of death is doctors, is medical care,
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Speaker 2: is these drugs. But we can prevent this. In fact,
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Speaker 2: the seven-day Adventist study, the longest-running study here in this
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Speaker 2: country on vegetarians, started back in the 70s, found that
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Speaker 2: compared to vegetarians, non-vegetarians, twice as likely to be on
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Speaker 2: a long list of drugs, everything from laxatives to insulin
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Speaker 2: to sleeping pills, tranquilizers, antidepressants. And so plant-based diets are
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Speaker 2: great for people that don't like taking drugs, that don't
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Speaker 2: like paying for drugs, and don't like risking drug side effects.
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Speaker 1: Well, listener, you can tell right now why I have
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Speaker 1: this man on the program, and also you can tell
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Speaker 1: why I want you to go to nutritionfacts.org if you
23:30
Speaker 1: have any questions at all when it comes to your
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Speaker 1: nutrition or nutrition for your family. Please stop by there,
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Speaker 1: check it out, watch these videos, enjoy what this man
23:38
Speaker 1: has to share with you, learn and live a much
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Speaker 1: healthier life. You will be very glad you did that.
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Speaker 2: Dr.
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Speaker 1: Michael Greger, always a pleasure. Thanks for being here.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, anytime.
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Speaker 1: And until next time, this is Charles Mills for Dr.
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