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Bengals Booth Podcast: Bad Luck · Bengals Booth Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading
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Speaker 1: the Bengals Boot podcast. The You Got Bad Bad Luck addition,
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Speaker 1: as Dave Lapham joins me to take a look back
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Speaker 1: at the first week of Bengals training camp, including the
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Speaker 1: calf injury suffered by Joe Burrow. The Bengals Boot Podcast
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Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL, as The Seer's focuses on three
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Speaker 1: qbs throughout the twenty twenty two season, Patrick Mahomes, Kirk Cousins,
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Speaker 1: and Marcus Mariota. I watched it and thought it was outstanding,
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Speaker 1: but when I asked Joe Burrow about it, he said
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Speaker 1: he hadn't watched the show and didn't plan to. When
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Speaker 1: another reporter asked why, here was Burrow's answer.
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Speaker 2: Would you watch documentary about Hobson?
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Speaker 1: That was a reference to legendary Bengals Dot Com editor
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Speaker 1: Jeff Hobson. And for the record, I would definitely watch
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Speaker 1: a documentary about Jeff. And just to be clear, Burrow
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Speaker 1: wasn't comparing Mahomes, Cousins and Mariota to the Bengals lovable scribe.
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Speaker 1: Joe simply prefers watching non football shows in his free time. Now,
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Speaker 1: let's get to the first week of training camp. Perhaps
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Speaker 1: you've heard of the broadcaster's jinks. For example, if you
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Speaker 1: use the words no hitter in the late innings of
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Speaker 1: an no no in progress, it's supposedly bad luck. If
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Speaker 1: you mentioned that a kicker has made fifteen straight field
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Speaker 1: goals just before his next attempt, he's bound to miss. Now,
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Speaker 1: I don't believe in such a thing, but it almost
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Speaker 1: felt like there was a reporter's jinx in Cincinnati this week.
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Speaker 1: Following the Bengals first practice, Joe Burrow was asked several
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Speaker 1: questions about finally having a normal training camp. If you
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Speaker 1: remember his rookie year, was impacted by COVID protocols and
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Speaker 1: the elimination of preseason games. In his second year, Joe
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Speaker 1: was coming back from his gruesome knee injury, and last
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Speaker 1: year he had an emergency app in deck to me
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Speaker 1: and dropped ten pounds at the beginning of camp. So
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Speaker 1: I've edited together Joe's answers when he was asked about
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Speaker 1: the benefits of being healthy this year at the start
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Speaker 1: of training camp.
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Speaker 3: I'll come would hopefully we'll see.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel great.
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Speaker 5: It was time.
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Speaker 2: Last year was sitting in the hospital bed a couple
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Speaker 2: of days post surgeries.
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Speaker 3: So it's it's good to be out there with the guys.
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Speaker 3: Anytimes you get more reps, the better you're gonna be.
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Speaker 3: So when you have four weeks of training camp, you're
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Speaker 3: you're gonna be four weeks better than you were if
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Speaker 3: you didn't get those reps.
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Speaker 2: And you know, you can't can't.
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Speaker 3: Waste any of those days because all those days matter,
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Speaker 3: and you're.
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Speaker 2: On a pursuit of constant improvement, and if you waste
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Speaker 2: those days, then you know you're wasting your time. You know, personally,
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Speaker 2: I feel in my position, I don't want to waste
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Speaker 2: any of these days that I have to to get better.
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Speaker 2: I've I've wasted enough days last two years with you know,
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Speaker 2: injuries and a pendicitis and COVID the year before that.
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Speaker 2: You know, I don't I don't want to get out
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Speaker 2: of camp wishing that I had, you know, seven more
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Speaker 2: days that I could have got better. And so I'm I.
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Speaker 3: Need these days to to be my best. I know
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be able to get a lot more out
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Speaker 3: of this training camp than I have the last couple
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Speaker 3: as long as I stay healthy.
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Speaker 2: Which, like I said, knock on wood, nothing's happened yet.
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Speaker 1: Nothing's happened yet, So much for that. The following day
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Speaker 1: at practice, Joe wore a compression sleeve on his lower
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Speaker 1: right leg, indicating that he probably experienced some minor tightness
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Speaker 1: in his calf the day before, not significant enough to
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Speaker 1: miss practice, but enough to wear a little extra support. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: when the Bengals quarterback attempted to roll out to the
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Speaker 1: right near the end of the team's second practice, he
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Speaker 1: felt significant pain in his right calf and was immediately
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Speaker 1: taken to the training room. Zach Taylor says Joe is
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Speaker 1: going to miss several weeks a calf injury. Caused Sam
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Speaker 1: Hubbard to miss two weeks late in the regular season.
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Speaker 1: Last year, he returned for the final game of the
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Speaker 1: regular season and had his ninety eight yard fumble in
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Speaker 1: the jungle return in the first round of the playoffs.
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Speaker 6: I know about calf strains all too well, and they're
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Speaker 6: really painful and they're you know, they're not the end
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Speaker 6: of the world, but they do anger a bit. And
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Speaker 6: I think that the training staff and Joe are going
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Speaker 6: to do the right thing to you know, take care
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Speaker 6: of this early in camp and be ready to go.
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Speaker 6: But really early in camp. We'll see what the prognosis is.
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Speaker 6: But you know, he's gonna do everything he can to
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Speaker 6: be back out there quickly. And I have faith that,
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Speaker 6: you know, it's just a bummer because I want him
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Speaker 6: to have a healthy training camp. Nobody worked harder this offseason,
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Speaker 6: and uh, you know whatever, it is just veryes you know,
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Speaker 6: it's a bummer, and uh, you know, I don't know
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Speaker 6: it'll bring the best out of him, for sure, but
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Speaker 6: it wouldn't it be nice just to have an easy
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Speaker 6: route to Week one for once. But uh, I know
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Speaker 6: we'll we'll handle this as a team. He'll handle it,
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Speaker 6: and uh we'll come out on top like we always do.
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Speaker 1: Again. Burrow is going to miss several weeks, and while
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Speaker 1: he was hoping to play a series or two in
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Speaker 1: the preseason, that is almost certainly not going to happen now. Instead,
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Speaker 1: the two guys competing to be his backup, Jake Browning
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Speaker 1: and Trevor Simeon, will alternate days as the number one
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Speaker 1: quarterback at practice. Browning is twenty seven years old and
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Speaker 1: has been on the Bengals practice squad for the last
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Speaker 1: two years after spending his first two NFL seasons on
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Speaker 1: the Vikings practice squad. He was the first string quarterback
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Speaker 1: in the first practice following burrows gaff injury and had
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Speaker 1: a very solid day.
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Speaker 5: I don't really know how ready any of your second
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Speaker 5: thirsteon quarterbacks are until it's time to actually do it.
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Speaker 5: And so yeah, I mean, I think I've been working
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Speaker 5: really hard at this for a while, been on a
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Speaker 5: lot of practice squads and spend a lot of time
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Speaker 5: away from any cameras or getting any reps with ones.
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Speaker 5: And so I feel like, now that's steel. I got
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Speaker 5: a good practice. It's a singular practice, but I feel
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Speaker 5: like I'm in a position where he can keep stacking
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Speaker 5: some good days and hopefully have some good preseason games
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Speaker 5: and hopefully win the backup job.
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Speaker 1: Trevor Simeon is thirty one years old and entering his
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Speaker 1: ninth season in the league with thirty NFL starts under
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Speaker 1: his belt. In addition to competing with Browning, he wants
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Speaker 1: to make sure the offense is running smoothly until Burrow returns.
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Speaker 7: There's a certain level of professionalism that you try to have,
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Speaker 7: and you know, I don't ask, you know, when I
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Speaker 7: come in, I make the most of more reps, try
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Speaker 7: to run the show as best I can. And it's
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Speaker 7: good for me getting these reps with these guys, you know,
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Speaker 7: because I'm the new guy, if you want to call
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Speaker 7: it us.
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Speaker 1: It's hard to get through training camp with only two
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Speaker 1: healthy quarterbacks. So the Bengals have signed Red Sinnate, who
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Speaker 1: spent the last three seasons on the practice squads of
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Speaker 1: the Buccaneers and Dolphins, as well as ten games on
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Speaker 1: the active roster with the Eagles in twenty twenty one.
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Speaker 1: Sinnate played one game in the USFL this year before
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Speaker 1: to look at the Bengals first four practices with my
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Speaker 1: broadcast partner Dave Lapham Lap. One of the biggest storylines
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Speaker 1: going into training camp was Joe Burrow finally gets a
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Speaker 1: chance to go through training camp healthy and unfortunately it
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Speaker 1: only lasted for about a day and a half as
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Speaker 1: he suffered that calf strain. I'm a recreational runner, as
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Speaker 1: you know. I've had some calf issues over the years.
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Speaker 1: They stink, but they heal. The key is don't rush
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Speaker 1: it back.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely. I mean that is that is the biggest piece
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Speaker 4: of advice that could be given. Because I had one
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Speaker 4: a mid calf and I'm like, oh, it feels pretty good.
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Speaker 4: Can tot raises doing the get out there and doing
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Speaker 4: football stuff started tugging like, boy, you know better not
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Speaker 4: better take a little bit more time. So it's one
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Speaker 4: of those when you feel like you're ready, give it
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Speaker 4: another little bit of time to make sure that you're ready,
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Speaker 4: because if you do exacerbate it, it can get a
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Speaker 4: heck of a lot worse quickly, you know, And you
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Speaker 4: don't want to be in that situation. You don't want
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Speaker 4: to be a nagging thing. I've seen, you know, cap
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Speaker 4: injuries now again, initially probably they weren't. They were more
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Speaker 4: severe than what Joe's dealing with right now. But man,
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Speaker 4: you know, guys, the regular season, the pressures on to
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Speaker 4: come back, to come back too early, and they end
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Speaker 4: up missing a good part of the season, you know,
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Speaker 4: because trying to do too much too soon.
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Speaker 1: Zach Taylor did not give a specific timetable. He used
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Speaker 1: the expression several weeks, and then everybody tried to figure out, well,
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Speaker 1: how many is several? Is that three? Is that four?
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Speaker 1: I think it's more than two. I think we can
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Speaker 1: draw that conclusion and probably the best case scenario is
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Speaker 1: about three weeks. And obviously the real key is to
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Speaker 1: be ready for the season opener, if possible, and I
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Speaker 1: think that's the expectation if there's no setback.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, and I think that it's going to
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Speaker 4: be say it's four weeks and you have like a
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Speaker 4: week and a half before the regular season opener. I
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Speaker 4: think at that point you might say at practice, we're
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Speaker 4: going to just increase the tempo a little bit to
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Speaker 4: get Joe ready because I remember, you know, the last
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Speaker 4: couple of times it was like, well, I just wish
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Speaker 4: I had seven more days, you know, to get ready
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Speaker 4: for the temple of the National Football League defenses. You know,
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Speaker 4: unfortunately he's going to miss that work day. You know.
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Speaker 4: Against the Green Bay Packers, the Wednesday practice is like
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Speaker 4: that's gold because you know, you used to going against
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Speaker 4: the same guys and you know what their strengths are,
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Speaker 4: you know what their weaknesses are. Now you give a
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Speaker 4: team that comes in totally different people, running different things
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Speaker 4: in different ways, and you know now you have to
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Speaker 4: just rely on your football instincts and not like oh
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Speaker 4: I know what this guy is going to do and
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Speaker 4: taking educated guesses and you can. It's it's a much
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Speaker 4: different dynamic when you go in full tilt and practice
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Speaker 4: against an opponent and not a teammate. Iron can sharpen Iron,
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Speaker 4: there's no question. But boy, when the Iron is another team,
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Speaker 4: it's not Iron anymore. I guess what would be the
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Speaker 4: next thing up the up the chart of precious metals.
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's like it's not quite gold, but it's
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Speaker 4: getting close. And you know the other thing is it's
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Speaker 4: Joe's right calf. That's his push off foot. That's where
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Speaker 4: he has to, you know, come with the most effort
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Speaker 4: to get the ball started on his on his uh.
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Speaker 4: You know, his mechanics are throwing the football so right
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Speaker 4: handed quarterback. Any any damage to the right side is
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Speaker 4: tough because that's where that's where all the power and
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Speaker 4: thrust comes from.
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Speaker 1: I want to give my wife Peg credit for this.
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Speaker 1: She pointed out something to me after this injury that
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Speaker 1: really made me think, and that is Tom Brady's ability
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Speaker 1: to answer the bell week after week for more than
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Speaker 1: twenty years. He did miss basically an entire season with
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Speaker 1: a torn acl But we've all heard about his training
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Speaker 1: regimen with the stretching and the bands and the flexibility,
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Speaker 1: and you know, the Bengals have a world class training staff,
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Speaker 1: strength and conditioning, medical staff, et cetera. But I wonder
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Speaker 1: if you study what time Brady did to try to
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Speaker 1: be just as pliable as you possibly can be.
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Speaker 4: Diet, you know that Tom Brady diet was a big
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Speaker 4: factor as well. I mean, yeah, I don't think there's
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Speaker 4: anybody that took care of himself in the history of
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Speaker 4: professional sports better than Tom Brady did. And and you
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Speaker 4: know it's the thing is too his overall football IQ.
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Speaker 4: He never put him I shouldn't say never, but he
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Speaker 4: worked very hard to make sure that he did not
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Speaker 4: put himself in precarious situations, you know, high low situation
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Speaker 4: getting hit, and a lot of it is a credit
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Speaker 4: to his teammates, a credit to how he played, how
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Speaker 4: quickly he got rid of the football. He didn't try
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Speaker 4: to do more than he knew that he could comfortably do.
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Speaker 4: And he never lost his composure in that regard. Some guys,
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Speaker 4: in the heat of the battle, they try to be superman.
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Speaker 4: You know, he was superman just being within himself and
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Speaker 4: the way he played football, and he never tried to
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Speaker 4: get outside the realm of that, because that's when you
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Speaker 4: can get hurt too. And a lot, you know, a
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Speaker 4: lot of people would laugh at him when you cover
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Speaker 4: up and just you know, collapse in the pocket, and
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Speaker 4: oh he's protecting himself. And you know what, it worked,
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Speaker 4: and it worked for a bunch of years sure, and a.
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Speaker 1: Bunch of Super Bowl appearances in Super Bowl rings. Sadly
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Speaker 1: before his calf injury, Joe Burrow is off to a
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Speaker 1: tremendous started training camp. After day one, somebody asked, you know,
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Speaker 1: how'd you feel out out there? He said, pretty damn good?
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Speaker 1: And he was. He was looking extremely sharp for one
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Speaker 1: point eight practices.
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Speaker 4: He was. I mean, the thing that separates him, in
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Speaker 4: my mind from everybody, the sideline to sideline, end zone
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Speaker 4: to end zone. He sees it so quickly, and he
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Speaker 4: sees it so accurately and properly, and he makes the
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Speaker 4: right decisions all the time. I mean, if you if
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Speaker 4: you just not confuse him, if you just make him hesitate,
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Speaker 4: you think you had a big win. I mean, it
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Speaker 4: is remarkable to watch him scan the football field. I mean,
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Speaker 4: if I'm a defensive cord and he's back there scanning
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Speaker 4: the field all kinds of time and all kinds of separation,
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Speaker 4: I'm like, we're cooked. You know, he's going to slice
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Speaker 4: and dice you, and he puts the ball in such
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Speaker 4: great places. I mean, it's just it's it's something to
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Speaker 4: watch him just diagnose. I could do that all day,
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Speaker 4: just watch him. Look at the field sideline, the sideline
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Speaker 4: line of scrimmage to the end zone, and he can
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Speaker 4: come off the field and tell you where everybody lined
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Speaker 4: up just at the snap of the football, if they
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Speaker 4: adjusted it all in coverage and rolled or whatever. He
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Speaker 4: can tell you the whole progression and where they ended
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Speaker 4: up before he threw the football. It's remarkable to have
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Speaker 4: a guy be able to do that, and that's what
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Speaker 4: separates the great ones. A lot of them have tremendous talent,
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Speaker 4: but very few of them sees the game of football
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Speaker 4: like this guy does. He is ridiculously special that way.
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Speaker 1: The battle for the backup quartered back job was kind
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Speaker 1: of a minor storyline going into training camp. Well, it's
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Speaker 1: a big storyline now because not only are we going
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Speaker 1: to see Jake Browning and Trevor Simmy and working with
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Speaker 1: the Ones on an alternating basis, but they've got to
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Speaker 1: make sure that this goes smoothly basically for however many
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Speaker 1: weeks that Joe Burrow is out, so that the offense
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Speaker 1: is ready to go for day one when Joe Burrow returns.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think it looked pretty good the last
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Speaker 4: couple of days, you know, is it Joe Burrow, like,
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Speaker 4: you can't say that, but what quarterback could you say that?
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Speaker 4: If he's running the schematic of what the Bengals are
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Speaker 4: trying to do a little thing that I thought was big,
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Speaker 4: no all sides, new cadence, new quarterback, and the offensive
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Speaker 4: line discipline enough, patient enough to not get antsy, because
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Speaker 4: you know, Joe has a much different cadence than the
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Speaker 4: other guys, and usually you do have, particularly early on
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Speaker 4: when you're in team, especially you know, a guy's false start,
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Speaker 4: you know, is crippling in the stance a little bit.
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Speaker 4: None of that that tells me that this football team
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Speaker 4: is focused, and they're disciplined, and they want to be
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Speaker 4: good up front. I mean in the old line, I
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Speaker 4: think it's a very special group for a lot of
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Speaker 4: those same reasons. I mean, I think that this you know,
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Speaker 4: Joe said it, This is the best offensive line that
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Speaker 4: I've played with, There is no doubt. And I think
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Speaker 4: I think this this team has a chance to be special.
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Speaker 4: I really do for those reasons. I mean, you know,
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Speaker 4: I'm like, there's nobody jumping around, you know, nobody, everybody's composed,
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Speaker 4: everybody has trust in the next guy, and you know,
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Speaker 4: not getting any antsy. That was good to see a
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Speaker 4: little thing like that turns into a big thing. It
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Speaker 4: really does.
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Speaker 1: So we learned something interesting about Jake Browning. After his
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Speaker 1: first practice with Joe Burrow out late last season, the
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Speaker 1: Bengals elevated him to the active game day roster and
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Speaker 1: back to back weeks, it might have been even been
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Speaker 1: three weeks, and we all thought at the time, either're
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Speaker 1: throwing him a bone. It's a way to get him
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Speaker 1: a little extra money, a reward for doing a good
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Speaker 1: job at practice. Well that wasn't it. As it turns out,
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Speaker 1: another team tried to sign him off the Bengals practice squad,
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Speaker 1: and they did that to hold on to him, and
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Speaker 1: they're very happy they did.
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Speaker 4: Right now, absolutely, I mean that you know that that
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Speaker 4: speaks volumes to his work ethic, and it speaks volumes
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Speaker 4: to you know, the work ethic and the way he
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Speaker 4: approached the game of football led to other potential opportunities.
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Speaker 4: But he was appreciative of the Bengals giving him a chance.
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Speaker 4: He showed loyalty. They showed loyalty to him. He showed
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Speaker 4: loyalty to them. He likes what's going on here, and
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Speaker 4: that's the thing that I really think is good about
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Speaker 4: what's going on now too, is you know they're drafting players, Well,
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Speaker 4: you don't have any choice when you're drafted, but the
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Speaker 4: guys that are free agents, they have a choice, and
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Speaker 4: they want to come here. And when they come here,
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Speaker 4: they don't want to leave. What does that tell you?
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Speaker 4: That tells you it's a damn good environment around here,
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Speaker 4: and that tells you this football team, a lot of
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Speaker 4: people believe are going to win a lot of football
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Speaker 4: games because you got good football players coming in here,
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Speaker 4: wanting to come here. It's a destination and once they're here,
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Speaker 4: they want to stay for as long as they possibly can,
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Speaker 4: and that is all good.
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Speaker 1: I'm always interested at the beginning of training camp which
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Speaker 1: guys have made the biggest physical transformation. I would say
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Speaker 1: the two guys on the left side of the offensive
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Speaker 1: line might be at the top of the list. Orlando
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Speaker 1: Brown Junior is twenty pounds later from the last time
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Speaker 1: we saw him. He's down to three forty five and
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Speaker 1: looks really good. And I'm telling you, Cordel Volson, he's
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Speaker 1: ten pounds heavier and it is lean muscle mass. He's
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Speaker 1: three twenty five and looks rock solid.
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Speaker 4: Three twenty five and the lowest percentage of body fat
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Speaker 4: amongst all the offensive lineman. He is the leanest offensive
18:20
Speaker 4: lineman at three hundred and twenty five pounds, which is
18:22
Speaker 4: ten pounds bigger than he was last year. I asked him,
18:25
Speaker 4: I said, how much? How much did you do about ten?
18:28
Speaker 4: I said, dude, you're looking like you're looking stout. Nobody's
18:32
Speaker 4: going to run over you, and you're going to be
18:35
Speaker 4: moving some people. And I mean, this is a young
18:37
Speaker 4: man that wants to be great. He doesn't want to
18:40
Speaker 4: be just good. He wants to be great, and he's
18:42
Speaker 4: going to do everything he possibly can to give him
18:44
Speaker 4: himself every opportunity to be great. I just I just
18:48
Speaker 4: think the left side, including Ted Karris, you know, Karris,
18:53
Speaker 4: Volson and Brown pretty damn good, you know. And you know,
18:58
Speaker 4: you look at you look at the right side. That's
19:00
Speaker 4: you know, that's nothing to sneeze at as well. You
19:02
Speaker 4: get the free for all that's going on at the
19:06
Speaker 4: tackle position obviously has to work itself all but Alex
19:09
Speaker 4: Kapp has played at a high level at the right
19:11
Speaker 4: guard position, and they have candidates, you know, more than
19:15
Speaker 4: one candidate they can play right tackle. When LC comes back.
19:19
Speaker 4: That's going to be a bonus. That'll be a huge
19:21
Speaker 4: bonus when he comes back physically able to participate, because
19:24
Speaker 4: nobody runs through LC either, you know. I mean he's
19:27
Speaker 4: a powerful man, So I mean there's depth in the
19:30
Speaker 4: offensive line, Dan, There's not a position group that doesn't
19:33
Speaker 4: have depth. I really can't see, like, oh, that's a
19:36
Speaker 4: major weakness on this football team. They have done one
19:38
Speaker 4: hell of a job in formulating a roster.
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Speaker 1: There's no question right tackle right now is for grabs
19:44
Speaker 1: between Jonah Williams and Jackson Carman. I think it's fair
19:47
Speaker 1: to characterize it, and you can correct me if I'm wrong.
19:50
Speaker 1: As Jonah Williams job to lose.
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Speaker 4: I would totally concur You know, the guy has played
19:55
Speaker 4: a lot of football at the collegiate level. He performed
19:59
Speaker 4: at an extremely high level in toughest conference in college football.
20:03
Speaker 4: High draft choice played right away. He has played tons
20:06
Speaker 4: of football. He's a technician and the game is extremely
20:11
Speaker 4: important to him. I mean, he he wants to be
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Speaker 4: as good a player as he can possibly be on
20:18
Speaker 4: as good a team as he can possibly be. And
20:20
Speaker 4: watching him at the right tackle position, I'm liking what
20:23
Speaker 4: I see. It doesn't look like Jesu. This is foreign.
20:27
Speaker 4: You know, I'm really trying to try to solve this.
20:30
Speaker 4: I feel like a robot. I feel like on a
20:32
Speaker 4: rector set. He's looking pretty smooth and his movements out
20:35
Speaker 4: there to me, and he's moving pretty freely. It looks
20:37
Speaker 4: like he's back from the procedure that he had on
20:39
Speaker 4: his knee. So I do think it's his job to
20:42
Speaker 4: lose as well.
20:43
Speaker 1: Got some good one on one training camp battles that
20:46
Speaker 1: have shaped up in the first few days. On day one,
20:49
Speaker 1: Orlando Brown junior versus Trey Hendrickson, they got into a
20:52
Speaker 1: scuffle on the third snap of eleven on eleven. Those
20:55
Speaker 1: two guys, that is going to be fun to watch
20:58
Speaker 1: on a regular basis because they both practice hired there,
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Speaker 1: both Pro Bowl players, and you know, Trey Hendrickson can
21:04
Speaker 1: get under an offensive lineman skin with the best of them.
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Speaker 4: I'm telling you they Orlando's gone to four straight Pro Bowls,
21:12
Speaker 4: Trey's gone to two straight. So they've you know, been
21:15
Speaker 4: in the Pro Bowl together for the last the last
21:18
Speaker 4: two years. And there's nothing wrong with working hard at practice.
21:23
Speaker 4: You got to make sure it doesn't go over the
21:25
Speaker 4: top and you don't have some foolish injury as a
21:27
Speaker 4: result of something that you know was was wasn't part
21:30
Speaker 4: of what football is supposed to supposed to be about.
21:34
Speaker 4: But when you have guys that have achieved like they have,
21:37
Speaker 4: they have huge personal pride. I mean, it's monstrous and
21:42
Speaker 4: there's nothing wrong with it, you know, and you know
21:44
Speaker 4: if somebody tries to challenge it, sometimes it doesn't go
21:47
Speaker 4: so well, you know. But you have two prideful Pro
21:51
Speaker 4: Bowl performing players locking horns, man, and sometimes they can
21:55
Speaker 4: get a little nasty.
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Speaker 1: The day after that scuffle, Trey Hendrickson got a kind
21:59
Speaker 1: of tracked extension. They added a year to his contract.
22:02
Speaker 1: I think a few things were involved there. Number One,
22:04
Speaker 1: he had outperformed the original contract that he signed. He's
22:08
Speaker 1: not being paid at the top of the defensive line
22:11
Speaker 1: scale even though he's been playing like it for a
22:13
Speaker 1: couple of years. So you reward him for that without
22:17
Speaker 1: you know, ripping up the last two years of his deal.
22:20
Speaker 1: You add a year on so they hold on to
22:22
Speaker 1: him for another year and reward him for excellent performance
22:25
Speaker 1: in his first two seasons of the Bengals.
22:27
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Trey Hendrickson, what he's fourth I think
22:30
Speaker 4: in the NFL and quarterback sacks over the last two
22:33
Speaker 4: or three years in the NFL. So this this guy
22:39
Speaker 4: is a premier pass rusher. And I agree with you.
22:42
Speaker 4: I mean, it's an extension. A lot of that can
22:46
Speaker 4: be bonus. You can play with the salary cap. There's
22:48
Speaker 4: a lot of things when you know you just read
22:51
Speaker 4: one year contract. Okay, it's a contract extension. It's not
22:54
Speaker 4: replacing this year. There's bonus money that makes them hole
22:57
Speaker 4: this year, but it can be pro LTD pro rated
23:01
Speaker 4: on the salary cap. And the Bengals have one of
23:03
Speaker 4: a cap and amis that's as good as anybody in
23:05
Speaker 4: the National Football League and Katie Brown getting it done.
23:08
Speaker 4: So yeah, I would not be surprised if at some
23:13
Speaker 4: point if they can't get Joe Burrow's deal done that
23:17
Speaker 4: Logan Wilson would be the first one to me to
23:20
Speaker 4: be a deal be an extension happened with Logan because
23:25
Speaker 4: team Logan and the other guys this year, and Logan
23:28
Speaker 4: would be probably the most easy path to take. That
23:34
Speaker 4: would you could pro rate and do the least damage
23:37
Speaker 4: to your overall cap that would still leave room. You'd
23:39
Speaker 4: in a perfect world, probably you'd like to have Joe
23:41
Speaker 4: go first. But if Joe, if they can't get to
23:43
Speaker 4: an agreement with Joe and you want to get somebody
23:46
Speaker 4: done before the season starts, I think the pecking owner
23:49
Speaker 4: would be the Logan would be the next guy up
23:52
Speaker 4: maybe to get a contract done. Potentially, we'll see.
23:54
Speaker 1: And that was another benefit of the Trey Hendrickson extension.
23:57
Speaker 1: You can adjust those dollars accordingly to create more immediate
24:01
Speaker 1: space with the goal of retaining Burrow, Higgins and Wilson
24:04
Speaker 1: prior to this season. We're a few days into training camp.
24:07
Speaker 1: We are having this conversation after Back Together weekend, the
24:11
Speaker 1: Saturday practice inside of pay Court Stadium, roughly thirty thousand
24:15
Speaker 1: people in attendance. Anybody jump out any of the rookies
24:19
Speaker 1: in these first few practices. Is there anybody that's caught
24:22
Speaker 1: your eye?
24:22
Speaker 4: You know? I mean the defensive backs had a day
24:27
Speaker 4: at Back Together again. DJ Turner. He played well today
24:32
Speaker 4: and he's played well I thought all a training camp.
24:35
Speaker 4: He's got the speed, just the raw speed, but also
24:38
Speaker 4: he has the change of direction. The sink your hips
24:42
Speaker 4: and change direction with the wide receivers. He's very sticky
24:46
Speaker 4: in coverage. I mean, he's right there, He's getting it done,
24:50
Speaker 4: getting it done all the time. And dj Ivy had
24:54
Speaker 4: probably as good a workout as anybody did at the
24:58
Speaker 4: Saturday Back Together Acts that was open to thirty thousand fans.
25:01
Speaker 4: I mean he got juiced up. I mean he made
25:04
Speaker 4: plays and when the lights came on, he was there.
25:07
Speaker 4: He was making plays, contested catches, getting his hands on footballs.
25:12
Speaker 4: I think Cam Taylor Britt continues to battle with Jamar Chase,
25:17
Speaker 4: those stirring matchups out there on that corner on a
25:20
Speaker 4: snap by snap basis, And I can remember wide receivers
25:24
Speaker 4: talking about playing against Dion, you know, in practice when
25:27
Speaker 4: they were Cowboys, how much better they got working against
25:30
Speaker 4: the guy of his caliber, and and it lifted the
25:32
Speaker 4: whole boat, you know, in terms of those skill guys.
25:34
Speaker 4: So I see that because these young guys talked to
25:37
Speaker 4: him in the locker room after practice to like, nobody's
25:40
Speaker 4: better than our white outs. So man, I can make
25:43
Speaker 4: plays against our whiteouts. I can. I feel like pretty confident.
25:46
Speaker 4: I can hang in there with a lot of people
25:48
Speaker 4: and it's like they're really starting to show, but they've
25:53
Speaker 4: had so few reps, I mean almost on a snap
25:56
Speaker 4: by snap basis, they're going to get better. So this
25:59
Speaker 4: is just the beginning. I mean, they're scratching the surface.
26:02
Speaker 4: I really, I really like what I see on that
26:04
Speaker 4: on that back end and in the battle for four,
26:08
Speaker 4: five and six in the receiver corps, it's going to
26:10
Speaker 4: be a good one. There's some dogs there. Man.
26:13
Speaker 1: Charlie Jones, the fourth round draft pick rookie out of Purdue,
26:16
Speaker 1: had a bunch of catches on back together Saturday, the
26:18
Speaker 1: day before. Andre Yosi Vass, the sixth round pick out
26:21
Speaker 1: of Princeton, had some twenty yard plus catches on back
26:25
Speaker 1: shoulder throws where basically they said, you're bigger and stronger
26:28
Speaker 1: and faster than the guy covering you. We're throwing it.
26:30
Speaker 1: Go get it.
26:31
Speaker 4: He did, he did. I mean, it's it's going to
26:33
Speaker 4: be if you. The thing is, this roster is so competitive,
26:38
Speaker 4: so deep. If you make the Bengals fifty three man roster,
26:42
Speaker 4: it's a hell of an accomplishment. Now you may not
26:44
Speaker 4: be active on game day, but if you make that roster,
26:48
Speaker 4: that's the next thing. The first thing is to make
26:49
Speaker 4: the fifty three men and then you can do a
26:51
Speaker 4: little exhale, But then you want to make that roster
26:54
Speaker 4: on game day that is the next goal, you know,
26:57
Speaker 4: and then the goal after that would be contributed some
27:00
Speaker 4: of a package. Then the goal after that would be
27:02
Speaker 4: the start, you know. And but you know, I always
27:04
Speaker 4: approached it like you'd set goals and have a few, Okay,
27:09
Speaker 4: reward yourself, reward yourself, well, bet track in the right way.
27:11
Speaker 4: Pretty soon you're climbing the ladder of success. And you know,
27:14
Speaker 4: now all of a sudden you're reaching a pretty darn
27:16
Speaker 4: good goal. But along the way, you know, has something
27:20
Speaker 4: where you can feel good about yourself. So that's what
27:22
Speaker 4: that's the way, particularly as a rookie, That's how I
27:25
Speaker 4: approached it and the way they've got it done. Now
27:27
Speaker 4: in the National football they only have one cut. They
27:30
Speaker 4: go from you know, ninety players down to fifty three
27:33
Speaker 4: one cut. I mean, that's going to be it's going
27:36
Speaker 4: to be a flood of players on the waiver wire. Man.
27:39
Speaker 4: I'll tell you the personnel departments around the league, they
27:42
Speaker 4: got to be on their p's and q's to make
27:44
Speaker 4: sure that they've got everybody, you know, rated on a
27:47
Speaker 4: position by position basis, you know, one through whatever it's
27:50
Speaker 4: going to because there's gonna be a ton of bodies
27:52
Speaker 4: out there.
27:53
Speaker 1: Last year Back Together Saturday ended on a sixty five
27:56
Speaker 1: yard field goal by Money mac Evan McPherson. This year
27:59
Speaker 1: they let him try sixty seven yarder. He did not
28:02
Speaker 1: come close, which is very unusual to see. I mean,
28:04
Speaker 1: even his miss is usually missed by a whisker. So
28:07
Speaker 1: what did he do? He stayed out there after it
28:09
Speaker 1: was finished and made a sixty five yarder.
28:12
Speaker 4: He's he's something else. He's special as well. You know,
28:18
Speaker 4: his approach, his makeup. It's all you're talking to, you know,
28:23
Speaker 4: Jim Breech and other specialists along the years when when
28:27
Speaker 4: they talk about what you have to be to be
28:30
Speaker 4: a successful kicker in the National Football League in terms
28:32
Speaker 4: of personality and makeup and all. This kid he checks
28:36
Speaker 4: every box. He's he's the real deal.
28:38
Speaker 1: We are four practices. In my opinion, hasn't changed. Even
28:43
Speaker 1: with the calf injury suffered early by Joe Burrow. This
28:46
Speaker 1: is a Super Bowl contender and, without a question, one
28:49
Speaker 1: of the best rosters in the NFL.
28:50
Speaker 4: I agree, it's got it does have roster depth. Now,
28:54
Speaker 4: are they light years better with Joe Burrow at the
28:56
Speaker 4: quarterback position? No question, no question? Uh And I you know,
29:01
Speaker 4: I'm crossing everything that he's back even before the regular
29:07
Speaker 4: season opener, you know, not just for a couple of
29:09
Speaker 4: practices before the regular season opener, back to actually getting
29:14
Speaker 4: some good work, because I mean, he worked so hard
29:17
Speaker 4: in the offseason and like Zach said, he got more
29:19
Speaker 4: July snaps than he's ever had as a Bengal. So
29:22
Speaker 4: now if he's only off a short period of time,
29:24
Speaker 4: he can kind of pick up easier from where he
29:26
Speaker 4: left off, get some good reps for a week, a
29:29
Speaker 4: week and a half against you know, his teammates, and
29:34
Speaker 4: hone in and get ready for the Cleveland Browns, because man,
29:37
Speaker 4: I went up to Cleveland and playing Baltimore and Cincinnati,
29:40
Speaker 4: and that's no easy path, you know, and those could
29:43
Speaker 4: both be barn Burners, and you need Joe borrowed his
29:46
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