Latest / Petty and Unbothered / #27 - Posthumously Petty Paleontologist
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- Tita Lors: Okay. Well, welcome everyone to the Robin Axline: Does Tita Lors: episode where we discuss the pettiest things that we came across this week and we tell each other about it. I guess I don't have to say that I'm Tita Lores and that's Robin Axline: Yeah. Tita Lors: Robin, because that's what our intro is for. Yay. Robin Axline: Yay. Welcome, welcome, welcome. Tita Lors: So Robin, what's the pettiest thing you've come across this week? Ha ha Robin Axline: That is really hard. Well, okay. Top of the dome here. Tita Lors: Okay, let's go. Robin Axline: so w I maybe we'll get into it at another point. Maybe we'll cover corrupt airline issues. But I was stuck at the airport on my birthday and Like everybody was just like devastated 'cause everybody was stuck there and had been delayed for possibly extra days than just that day. And this woman seemed like so wildly self important she couldn't see that there was like a sea of unhappy people and she just like actually there were s t two separate Karen's. One Tita Lors: no. Robin Axline: She's like, I have to get to London. This is just unheard of. This is just terrible. And and Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: they were like, Well, there's no flights, like nothing is happening. And Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: she like was trying to but but like trying to think of a word. Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: And then she walks away and she goes, shakes head. And then she comes back and she goes, But And she couldn't think of another thing and they were just like stone faced, like, No like look at everybody else. Tita Lors: I know. As if yeah, as if no one else has come up with any other reasons or ways or strategies. Come on. Robin Axline: And then this other one, the first one I thought of, this woman, loudly says after, because we all boarded the plane and we sat there for over an hour. And then they were like, Well, you guys are gonna actually be sitting here for way too long, so we're gonna have everybody get off. Tita Lors: my gosh. Robin Axline: and so everybody starts standing up and this woman loudly is like, I have a vacation in the Caribbean that I'm supposed to be getting to and I am not gonna lose $2,000 over this while everybody's like waiting to like a single file line like off the plane. And then this is the funny part is we're all just standing with this mass of people and then I hear her voice like over everybody else announcing the same thing. She's like, This is not happening. I am not losing two thousand dollars. Because of the resort and everything. But mean it Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: does suck, but like it was just so funny that out of this din of people, I hear this voice again saying the same thing to somebody else. And I'm like, wow, like how petty can you be? Like, cool your jets because like you can see nobody is happy about this. And Tita Lors: I know, seriously. It's not like anybody is intentionally trying to fuck with your day here. I I'm sure they would rather you get on the plane and leave. Robin Axline: I have another one but maybe I'll save it. Okay. Yes, Tita Lors: So a year or two ago, my optometrist told me that I needed special glasses because I'm old. Yeah. She was like, You're have you been experiencing more headaches? Blah blah, you all the usual. And I was like, Yeah, actually I have. Do you spend a lot of time on my computer? I'm a therapist, blah blah all this stuff, right? And she's like Yo. I told her if I'm if I'm reading something, my god, this makes me feel so horrible. But if I like reading something, I have to take my glasses off because it just hurts my head. And she's like, Mm-hmm. Yeah. You probably yeah, she's like, Robin Axline: What? Tita Lors: It's probably time, like you have to probably start considering bifocals. We're like, Robin Axline: No way! Tita Lors: yes. Or like whatever super expensive lenses that she sold me on where it like it's they're not transitions, but like one part of it makes it easier to see. It just makes it easier to I guess there's like transitions, but whatever, I'm just not okay with it. It makes it easier to like transition from looking at a screen and then looking at like and reading something up close so that I wouldn't get headaches as frequently anymore. And I was like, Are you telling me I'm old? And she was like, Yeah, sorry. Robin Axline: Wow, whoa, brutal. Tita Lors: I know, she's like, it's just it happens to everyone. It's okay. And I was like, No, it's not You don't feel good about this. Robin Axline: But the h the question is do they help though? Do you notice a diff? Tita Lors: yeah. Yeah. as soon as I started using these, my headaches just s went away. Or I still get headaches every month. like migraines every month, but it's for a different reason now. Yay, womanhood. Yeah. Yeah, they do. Like I cannot wear glasses if I have a migraine and I'm like sensory overload over here, but then like the pressure too. No, it's a hard pass. Yeah. They were actually trying to convince me to put the expensive lenses on the more expensive glasses. And I was like, why? These are gonna sit on the on my desk where my computer is where I'm going to need it. Robin Axline: Yeah. Tita Lors: But any hoozers, I'm going to tell you about one of the pettiest things that I've come across during our very long recording break. Yes, I'm I'm so excited. But first, what do you know about dinosaurs and paleontology? Paleontology? Mm-hmm. Robin Axline: I mean Tita Lors: Okay. Robin Axline: Yeah, I don't know in what capacity, but I know of those two things. Yeah. Tita Lors: Okay. Yeah. Awesome. Awesome. Perfect. It'd be concerning if you didn't know of at least one of those things. Yeah. You weren't like one of those kids who was obsessed with dinosaurs when you were a kid. Robin Axline: I a little bit. I did have my dinosaur era for sure. Yeah. And I remember at school like making a timeline, like on a big thing of butcher paper and like all that. And I loved stegosauruses. So Ta-da. So what what is your petty story? Tita Lors: Okay, well, first, did you know that the Apotosaurus was called the Brontosaurus at some point in history or that they're actually the same dinosaur? Mm-hmm. Yeah, so and I think Brontosaurus is the one with like the long neck, right? Robin Axline: Yeah. Vegetarian. Tita Lors: Yes. So is that littlefoot? Robin Axline: I think so. I think so. Tita Lors: Okay, that's what I thought. Robin Axline: Yeah, I think so, but didn't I heard something like Bronosauruses weren't real or I don't know, maybe that's what you're gonna tell me. no. Littlefoot. yeah. sorry. And son of an unnamed female lepotosaurus and grandson of grandma and grandpa long neck. Tita Lors: Okay, so yeah it is. It's Littlefoot. Okay. Cause that's what I think of every time I think of a Brontosaurus. And I've always thought that it was a Brontosaurus, but it's i okay, anyways, we're gonna get into it. So a paleonthologist named Oath Neil Charles Marsh was amazed by how large this dinosaur was, and he named it a Brontosaurus because he thought that the noise their footstep their footsteps would make would be like so thunderous and loud. So he called it a brontosaurus, which meant noble thunder lizard. Ha ha. Yeah, right. But then two years earlier, he had named a similar looking dinosaur a potasaurus. Yeah, right? so later paleonthologists confirmed that there's a lot going on in my brain. I'm sorry. It's there's there's a lot of information that's like, no, but this, no, but this okay anyways, so later paleonthologists confirmed that they're actually the same animal. Yeah, or same species or whatever. But apparently in like the two two thousand twenty twenties or twenty fifteen or somewhere I should have written it down. somebody was like, no, actually they're separate. They're completely different because of this minute detail or whatever. So they're still arguing now, even, about whether or not an apotosaurus and a brontosaurus are the same animal. Yeah, so if that doesn't tell you about like how the paleontology world has some messiness in it as far as like how things are classified and how people decide what's what and how research is done, I don't know what will. But that leads us into my story. during our break I was listening to And That's Why We Drink and they had Steven Ray Morris as a right? Yeah, so he was a guest on And That's Why We Drink and he talked about 'cause he's got his own podcast, right? Like Jurassic or Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. yes Robin Axline: He's yeah, and he he does a lot of producing and stuff too, but yes. And he likes cats. Let me know about him. Okay. Tita Lors: So he talked about it's called the Bone Wars. he brought it up on that podcast and then he put me on to Stuff You Should Know. They also did it, and then apparently Drunk History did an episode and there's a whole bunch of actually different episodes about the Bone Wars specifically. Yeah, and because it's super interesting. And then I wanted to do a bit of my own digging. Robin Axline: that's I don't know. Tita Lors: man, okay. So what did I say? A it's a rivalry that both propelled the study of paleonthol paleontology forward with thousands of discoveries and still currently prevents additional discoveries from moving forward because of how messy these two people were. another question before we get started is do you Have any satisfyingly petty revenge stories or like revenge stories that just backfired on people. Robin Axline: I know I know I've got tons, but we Tita Lors: Yeah. Robin Axline: might have to like return to this queue. I there's Tita Lors: Okay. Robin Axline: like w one that might be a little too close to home that I just thought of. So I might have to tell you off air about that that one. Tita Lors: I'm so curious. Yeah. Can't wait. Okay. Well, if we have time later, I found a really good Reddit story for this. And maybe telling you this story will like a jar something for you. A memory. Unlock a memory. Gosh, I'm struggling with words. Words are hard. All right. so who are the characters? There's Edward Drinker Cope. This guy was born to privilege. He went to boarding school and, you know, all of the trappings of a privileged guy of the times, right? But he doesn't he didn't like school. So he, you know, fucked around and left. Yeah, he dropped out. Robin Axline: Found home. What? Tita Lors: He's sixteen, he's like, Deuces, bye, I ain't about this life. and he ended up traveling and seeing different places and I guess back back in the day, people didn't necessarily have to go to school to learn things because, you know, they lived life. And like there were things called gentlemen naturalist. And these people would like they're they were amateur self taught scientists. So they were like, versus theoretical versus practical, like in the moment learning and doing and like being in the thick of it kind of stuff and learning that way, like hands on learning. There we go. Those are the words I was looking for. Yes. And because Daddy Big Bucks was rich, he was able to finagle it where his son, Mar Cope, still got into college. Yeah. No high school diploma, still got into college. And, you know, sure that was great, but once again, school institutions just not his thing. So he fucked around and left again. then still somehow, Homeboy got he got a job as a professor at a college. And because he did that, or in order to do that, you had to have at least like a master's level y you know, education. So they gave him an honorary masters of arts. Yes, and then Robin Axline: boy. Okay. Tita Lors: he got to be a professor at a college. so yay. But again, this is an institution, so do you think he stayed? Robin Axline: Doesn't I mean, if pattern shows anything, no. Tita Lors: Yeah, no, he didn't. He he quit. He's like gone. Bye. He left. so you might think, whatever, you know, 'cause his family's rich, blah blah blah. He could just live off of his family. But actually, he was pretty resourceful on his own and he found ways to like low cost, no cost, travel and do things like he would get on other expeditions that had nothing to do with paleontology. and that would make it cheaper for him to go and like and like research and stuff like that. So he found really resourceful ways to be a paleontologist without having to necessarily use family money. Although it did help. Okay, so Silverspoon, Cope. Oath Neil, Charles Marsh. I forgot to say. So Cope, he's a July Leo and he was born in 1840. Yeah. Yeah. Get in there. Okay, Robin Axline: Yeah. Tita Lors: and then Oath Neal Charles Marsh. He's an October Scorpio born eleven mmm nine? Eleven. Eleven years earlier, right? If so he's 1931. No, nine. Nine years earlier. I can math. So October Scorpio, Robin Axline: Okay. Good. Tita Lors: he was born nine years earlier. His is a more Rags to riches story. Marsh was born to a farmer. His mom died early on. He had no prospects. He was gonna be a farmer, but he was interested in science. And then his uncle was like, Yo, I got money. My name is George Peabody. Yeah, do you know him? Robin Axline: peabody. Tita Lors: I I don't think anybody really knows him. Just major philanthropist, millionaire, has a museum, spent lots of money. Yeah, exactly. So Robin Axline: Yeah. Has a word. Yeah. Tita Lors: Millionaire Unc he I guess saw greatness in Marsh because he funded his schooling from boarding school all the way up until college. and even like got him a position at Yale. So he went to boarding school, he went to Yale, he went to school in Germany, all on Uncle Peabody, Uncle Peabody's dime. And then he his uncle paid sorry, not paid, donated a hundred and fifty thousand dollars to Yale so that they could create What did they create? I have it written. so that Yale could create the first department of paleontology. And of course they need a professor and a chairman. And hey, that's your that's your nephew, right? Robin Axline: Okay. Tita Lors: Yay, nepotism. Yes, so Marsh ends up he goes to school. It's great. He's in Germany. Great. He comes back to Yale. He's got a position. He's now a professor and the chairman of this new department. Which gets government funding. The way that he is able to do his research is that like students will want to go on these adventures and excursions. So their mommies and daddies would pay and then they could all go together. So school funded, parent funded, donation funded, government funded work. This is important for later. All right. So when it comes to their careers, it's kind of a Hamilton versus Burr sir story. Cope, who initially was like silver spoon person, he's publishing studies left and right, like pretty early on in his life, which is probably how he ended up becoming a professor. Some sources are like, he started writing and publishing at the age of eighteen. Some say it wasn't until the twenties, but either way, eighteen, twenty, that's super young to have published like research papers. I couldn't even imagine. I was like barely becoming an adult emotionally, intellectually, socially. so he like He would write article after article, like wrote lots of things. I think in his lifetime he wrote like fourteen hundred articles that got published. Yeah. and his work is described as like very flowery, very descriptive, very imaginative. Like he would tell you what these creatures possibly look like, the environments they probably were in, and like really you about the creature or what he thought or assumed, you know, the the creature's environment, life, everything would be like. So you really got that snapshot of it. Meanwhile, Marsh, he didn't publish anything until his thirties. And it was like dry and scientific usually. Yeah. So that's you know, the difference. I put a little thing here now where, you know, Marsh would have been like, Why do you write? Like you're running out of time man, okay, I'm anyways, so I said this already. Go me. This is actually Robin Axline: Yeah. Tita Lors: staying in my head. Hold on. Blah blah blah. What else? Did I not write okay, so religiously they're very different too. So Cope was like evolution all the way, not religious, blah blah blah. But Marsh, he was religious. I forgot which one because I never wrote it down. Even though I heard it a few times. Protestant? I don't know. I don't want to say. So, anyways, he was religious, so he had to find a way to make what he was finding make sense religiously. Yeah. It 'cause Robin Axline: gosh. Okay, see. huh. Tita Lors: it it wasn't Darwin's evolution. It was a different one. Again, didn't write it down, didn't find it important. other podcasts talked about it. You can go ahead and listen to those. But it was more like instead of evolution being from over time from creatures like apes to humans, it's more that like, well, you know, if if your profession is being a farmer and you use this muscle often enough, you're gonna develop it so that it's bigger and then your then your DNA will change and be altered and then that will get passed down to your children. And that will and then and on and on and on and that's how evolution works. So that made more sense religiously than the other type apparently than evolution. So, I'm not a Robin Axline: okay. Tita Lors: scientist. Whatever. So you might be asking, all right, cool. We know about them, who they are, how did they meet? They met in college in Germany. Marsh was a graduate student and Cope was probably not planning on staying for very long. But they became like friends. In like I don't know about instant friends, but they were really close friends. And they when Cope finally fucked off, he they were like, let's keep in touch. And they were like pals and they would write to each other. And because they were pals, Cope invited Marsh to a quarry in New Jersey that like they were digging through and finding bones and all that. And Marsh Paid or convinced Cope's workers to send any further findings or bones to Yale. Yeah. Right? Like helicop ho cock blocking his career basically. Right. So where Cope he did a lot of like hands on gentleman researcher type stuff and there's like a code of ethics to things. And you know, I'm inviting you as my friend to do this, but like this is my dig and anything that's found here, like, you know, it's for the research. I don't think he was trying to be like, Mine Robin Axline: Yeah. Tita Lors: But definitely like that was his research. That was his dig, right? Robin Axline: Yeah. Tita Lors: But for Marsh, it was just like opportunity. Like, hey, there's bones here. If you find anything, send it to me. Yeah. Different schools of thoughts. Trying to not be biased here. Clearly I am. Robin Axline: Right. you're laying it up pretty neat. Yeah. Tita Lors: So yeah, right? Okay. So that was kind of the beginning of the end for Cope. But he's like, no, that's my friend. Maybe it was a misunderstanding, but definitely I'm gonna keep that in the back of my ha in my mind. File that, blah, blah, blah. So while all of this is happening, there's like obviously other bones that they're finding and copes likes publishing a book about this reconstruction that he had done for a creature that had a name that I also did not care to write down. and so he invites there the it's like a big there's the paper that gets published, there's an exhibit of the creature, and he invites his friend because, you know, friends support each other. And Marsh comes with one of his friends to see it, and he notices that maybe, you know, since paleontology is a new thing and it's not like there was an exact science yet to figuring out is this like A neck bone, a tailbone, whatever, like people were blindly putting puzzles together. Right? So Marsh points out, I think maybe This is not where the head goes. Right or or he was like, This is this is this kind of a vertebrae and not this kind or whatever. And then his friend, Leedy, Lighty, whatever, he's like, Yeah, man, I'm pretty sure you put the head on the ass. Yeah. So Cope's embarrassed and he's like trying to He immediately sends out a correction. He tries to buy back all of his books with that mistake in it. And he's just, you know, doing the best he can. If that sucks for his career, because it's like, that was a really big mistake. But it's whatever. Until Marsh apparently is out there talking shit. And he's quoted saying, When I informed Professor Cope Professor Cope of When I informed Professor Cope of it, his wounded vanity received a shark blow from which it has never recovered. my god, why can't I read? And we're gonna try it again. When I informed Professor Cope of it, his wounded vanity received a shock from which it has never recovered, and he has since been my bitter enemy. Yeah. Really kind of blowing that out of proportion, I think. Especially like you're kind of the asshat who was being a like not very nice about this mistake. Like, if my friend made a very public mistake, I would be trying to support them and like help them as they deal with the embarrassment of that, not embarrassing them further. Robin Axline: Yeah, male ego though, right? Tita Lors: my god, for real. Jeez. Okay. So I said, so boom. At first they were like frenemies. They were still, you know, reaching out to each other, staying in communication, blah, blah, blah. But eventually they just became bitter enemies and really going at each other tit for tat. Like allegedly sabotaging each other left and right. Like sending people allegedly to like blow up whatever the other person is doing. or like if I like let's say one of was like at a dig site, but for some reason there was like a bone that they couldn't quite get out or didn't have the skill or whatever, they'd be like, Trash it, break it, destroy it, whatever, because if I can't have it, they can't have it. I know. They're getting catty up in this bee. Okay. On his part, mmm, hold on. Who's his? Girl, I'm struggling. cope. I'm pretty sure this is cope. Yes, this is Cope. We'll Robin Axline: Fifty fifty Okay. Tita Lors: see. yeah, it's Cope. I can read context clues. okay, so Cope, because he was publishing so many articles. publishers were like, One, we can't keep up. Two, there's like mistakes in here. It's it's Robin Axline: Huh. Tita Lors: it's a bit much. So Cope was like, Fine, I'll buy my own journal. 'Cause he got family money. Right, so he buys the American Naturalist Journal so that he can then publish his own findings himself. Yes. Marsh, on the other hand, he was still working at Yale and eventually, you know, rubbed elbows with the right people, and he became the chief paleontologist of the newly formed U.S. Geological Survey. And then his patty ass just couldn't let things lie the way they were. So he starts go using his newfound power to go after Coke. and try to like isolate him and make it so that he cannot, even if he wanted to, use government funding to do his work. Right? How do you do that to somebody who was your friend? So Cope's cut off from government funding. Marsh even created a bill where it was like, if the government funded your dig or your research or whatever, whatever you f got out of that belongs to the government. 'Cause he was hoping that he would take Cope's bones from him. Yep. And like put rules and restrictions. Yeah. But remember, luckily I told you Coke was very resourceful. So he didn't use a lot of government funding for his research. He w like he he ended up, no, all the different things, but then also when he was running out of money, he bought a mine and was trying to use money from that. That ended up being a bust. It actually was one of the reasons why. He ended up somewhat penniless. He Buying the journal and then buying the mine. Kind of bankrupt him, but that's besides the point. So by this time, Cope is really down on his luck. He's running out of money. He's bought this journal. Again, the mine. His family left him. He's alone. Marsh is trying to take his bones from him. And he's like, nah, fuck this. So he writes a column, sends it to the Washington Post. And tells them, 'cause he's been keeping track of all of the errors that Marsh has ever made, all the mistakes that he's ever made. He's also like accusing the government of being corrupt. He's saying that Marsh is mismanaging the money and blah blah blah, all of this stuff, and he sends it to the Washington Post and it gets published. Robin Axline: Wow. Tita Lors: Yep. Yeah. So, you know, it's whatever to Marsh, but other people, other government officials are like, interesting. So there's this grand investigation. And eventually Marsh ends up having to resign from his roles as chairman, professor. He has to pay back some of the money. He has to give his bones to the government. Because of a bill that he helped to create. And he is also basically penniless as well. Yeah. So if you thought that was the end of the story, it's not. Yeah, the pettiness continues to post homic hom ho post homicly? How do you say that word? Posthumously? Yeah, that Robin Axline: Posthumously. Yeah. Tita Lors: word. She said it. So Cope dies first, but upon his death, he challenged Marsh to donate his skull to a museum or to science so that both of their brains or their heads could be measured. hoping that his brain would be bigger than Marsh, ultimately proving he was a smarter, better scientist than Marsh was. Robin Axline: What? Tita Lors: Yeah. The ultimate mine is bigger than yours. Yes, and if you thought that it ended there, it does not. There's more, yes, so his head, he he donated his skull to science, right? So it's in like a museum and then somebody sees his skull in a box or whatever and just fucks off with it. goes on like a journey with the skull and it becomes like this attraction or whatever and it's lost for a while and Robin Axline: No. Tita Lors: the jaw is actually missing. I think still potentially I don't know if they actually found it. But allegedly the it his skull was brought back home. It's now in the Penn Museum, in the shelves somewhere, allegedly maybe probably the correct skull Yeah. And that is actually the end of the story. Robin Axline: Wow, what a what a ride that was. I Tita Lors: Ready? Robin Axline: kept thinking, that's the petty thing. that's this and then it just kept like rolling. Tita Lors: There's so much. If so there's an article called it's the website's mini museum and they actually detail through a few of the petty things that they allegedly did 'cause I don't think you can know for sure. It's all like, you know, it's through the grapevine or whatever. But it's interesting. They were they were crazy. So ultimately though, this bitter rivalry led to a hundred and twenty-eight new dinosaur species being discovered. not to mention a whole bunch of other species and animals along with it. however because of that rivalry and because of that bill and all of that stuff, it's making it harder now for people to get funding to do research, for them to do the research that they want to do. A lot of stuff is ending up in like the back store the backlogs or whatever of like museums. not being researched because of this bill that was created. Yeah. I know, right? Yeah, if you want to hear more about it, I'm pretty sure that I feel like Stephen Ray Morris went into it in the And That's Why We Drink episode. and I can't remember if Stuff You Should Know really talked about it, but for sure and That's Why We Drink. They talk about like how that happened or what happened. And I'm sure other people did too. Yeah. boop boop boop boo boo Yeah. and then there was like a lot of mistakes, like that whole dinosaur mistake. That i is it the same dinosaur? Is it not the same dinosaur? Like people are having to go back and correct the mistakes that they were making because they were both rushing to be better and one up each other all the time. So they weren't like really paying attention or I don't know. I wrote so even now people are correcting the mistakes that these men made by focusing more on being first or better than rather than the actual science. Robin Axline: Man, that is really, really unfortunate. Tita Lors: Right? I can. It's all good. Robin Axline: I don't know if you can hear this car alarm, sorry about that. Okay. Tita Lors: So that's that. What do you think? Robin Axline: I mean there's so many examples of like somebody doing something that ch s turned out to be a backfire like you were saying where they originally I feel like their intentions were good and they were like genuinely wanting to do something good but then their egos and competitiveness got in the way where it kind of screwed each other over in the long run. Tita Lors: Yeah, for sure. And I was even kind of thinking to the extent of like, you know, this person one person had a lot of privilege and got to learn things early on. So they maybe didn't necessarily especially with like school's not what it was back what it is now, it wasn't what it was back then. So people really were. It was a lot of like hands on learning and science even. It's not what it was back then, it's not what it is now. And there's so many different things for you to have to it would be difficult to just pick up and be and just decide, I'm a scientist now versus I think before it was a lot easier to be like, Yeah, I think I wanna consider doing that and like learning all the different aspects. So I kind of get where Cope like this whole idea of it's like Montessor Montessori learning basically is what Cope did. Robin Axline: Yeah, I kind of sort it. Tita Lors: And Marsh was like, I I don't know, maybe there was a bit of like a not good enough quality in there where I have to like prove that I deserve this, prove myself over and over and over again and be better than this guy who had like the silver spoon his whole life and privilege his whole life. Even though they were both privileged, let's be honest. Robin Axline: I mean it definitely sounded Tita Lors: Thank you. Robin Axline: like it. They had enough time to be going around doing this. Tita Lors: I know, right? Crazy. Okay. Have you seen the reel where this chick is explaining why T Rex is actually a dragon or a wyvern? Robin Axline: No. No, no. Tita Lors: Okay, I'm gonna show it to you, but first. do you know the difference between a dragon and a wyvern? Because I did not. I'm like reading all these books and I was like, who cares? Wizard that flies. Robin Axline: No, I don't but yeah. Tita Lors: So a dragon is usually bigger. It's got four legs and two wings, and it breathes fire, usually. A wyvern, smaller, two legs, two wings, less powerful, does not typically breathe fire. Yeah. Okay. Robin Axline: I bet you all dragon enthusiasts are just screaming in your car that we're mans fighting this dude or whatever. What if Tita Lors: I got it right or I didn't. It is what it is. Okay, Did it dn d d d for cranolad. Does she not have a point? Robin Axline: sh totally, a hundred percent does. Yeah. Tita Lors: Yeah, yeah. So sh in her caption she's like, okay, fine, it's a wyvern, but whatever. Like it makes so much more sense, especially since now science is saying a lot of dinosaurs had feathers. Robin Axline: yes, right. Tita Lors: Yeah, so dragons. Robin Axline: I mean right? Yeah, it doesn't seem too impossible. Tita Lors: Right? It just Exactly. Okay, we have a little bit of time left, and I think that this is a pretty quick story. Do you want to hear it? Robin Axline: Of course. I would love to hear a quick story. Tita Lors: Yay. Alright. So it's remember that question that I asked you earlier. What's like a petty thing that backfired? Okay. So this is on Reddit R slash Petty Revenge by Crazy Cat Lady Rookie. It's called Petty Revenge That Backfired. There was a minor incident at my hasbun's sister who wait, there was a minor Robin Axline: Wait, Tita Lors: Yeah. I'm still trying to figure out what that means. There was a minor incident and my hasbun's sister was offended. We apologized, but that was apparently not enough to keep her distance fine. or not enough. And she kept her wow, I cannot read today. So, but that was apparently not enough and she kept her distance. Fine. First of all, can you explain to me what a hasband is? Robin Axline: I'm who me? Tita Lors: Yeah, do you know what a husband is? Robin Axline: I'm assuming that it has to be like an ex husband. Tita Lors: So I was thinking two. Robin Axline: 'Cause I know somebody that calls their ex their husband. Yeah. Tita Lors: Was bin that is so good. I'm gonna tell my friends that. Robin Axline: So I don't know if it's the same as it was been, but Tita Lors: was she still calling it sister in law? Anyways. I guess some people do, right? I don't know. Yeah. So as a rule, any random unsolicited mail goes into recycling slash shredder. One day an envelope addressed to me, marked final notice or something, caught my eye, so I opened it. It was an invoice from a charitable organization, Children's Cancer, basically chasing me down to honor my pledge. Which was weird because I only donate through personal connections, i.e. sponsor or a friend or whatever. so upon further inspection, I see my name and address along with her sister-in-law phone number. And I realized what happened. She had received a solicitation phone call and signed me up as a donor, knowing they would harass me. Yeah. So as the impasse continued, my mother-in-law tried to intervene. She just wanted all her kids to get along. I explained to her that sister-in-law clearly wasn't interested in putting it to bed as she was still pulling crappy stunts. And showed her the invoice. The kicker was Sister-in-law's father-in-law battling cancer himself, so the whole family turned against Sister-in-Law. Sucks to be you, vindictive sister-in-law. Yep. Somebody's like, sign her up for Scientology brochures. Robin Axline: Yeah. yeah, that would really be messed up. Tita Lors: Mm-hmm. Yep. Okay. Well, that's all I've got and according to the timer that we're trying to stick by, that's all we should have. I know It did. Robin Axline: It went so fast. Tita Lors: and you're having fun. But luckily we still have like three more hours of recording with each other. Robin Axline: Hooray Tita Lors: Woo All right. Well, as we're saying goodbye and closing things up My therapy voice right there. what's your glimmer, Robin? Robin Axline: Hmm let's see. Okay. Have you ever heard of a Tohi? Tita Lors: I'm a little worried. Robin Axline: it's a no no no it's a it's a bird actually the name of a bird. it looks kind of like I think it's probably like in the sparrow sparrow family. But it's just something that I have been thinking of lately where this is in a discussion group I was in regarding being present and worrying about like, I need to be present, I need to be present. How can I do that? And this woman brought up a toey because what it does is it doesn't just stand back like looking around the forest. It hops around and it kind of scratches the leaves with both of their feet and then it pauses and then it looks and it scratches again. And all their attention is just immediately in front of the bird. And they're not thinking about anything else except this like task at hand, like right in front of them. And I thought that was so cool and I wasn't really exactly sure what a Toehe was. and so I wrote the woman who brought it up later that week and I was just like, now what exactly is like a Toehi? Tita Lors: Mm-hmm. Indigenous to where? Robin Axline: Yeah. And so she sent me a video of these birds in her backyard. and basically the caption was it it uncovers what it's looking for under the leaves. It's completely focused and the whole universe is in its moment. And I was like, whoa. That's awesome. And just watching those videos and like watching the bird just do these little scratches was pretty like calming or like therapeutic in a way just to kind of me get lost in that mindset as well. And so I just thought that was pretty cool and that happened in the last week or so. So that's my glimmer. yeah. Yeah, so if you ever want to watch one of those, just Google it. I'm sure there'll be a bunch of videos. It's like T-O-W-H-E-E, I think. Yeah. Yeah. So there you go. Tita Lors: P O W H okay. Okay. Robin Axline: and so to follow up with your question, do you have a glimmer this time around? Tita Lors: Ooh, so yes. But my glimmer, I was hoping you wouldn't steal it, and I'm so glad you didn't. It's being back in the recording studio with you. Robin Axline: Aww. That's a good one. I love that. Tita Lors: Yeah. I mean we already talked earlier this week, which is really great. It's always fun to like talk with you and all that stuff. and to like kind of get back into the swing of things and doing all of this stuff and with all of my h like manic hyperfixation that I've been doing and I'm really like getting excited about all of this stuff and it's getting me excited for other projects as well. Who knows if it'll like pan out, but Right. And if you are all happy to be here and if you've Robin Axline: Huh. Tita Lors: all enjoyed what you've heard, then we would so so so so so love it if you would let us know in like comments and reviews and things like that, because we we have an important question to ask you. Would you guys want to get engaged? Robin Axline: I know it's a big question. Tita Lors: It is the big commitment. The we would love to be engaged to you. Mm-hmm. Specifically. It it is, Robin Axline: We mean it too. Yeah, it's serious business. Tita Lors: yeah. But yes, you know, comment, let us know. Tell us your glimmers, tell us your recommendations for the pettiest things you've learned that maybe we can look into more. And, you know, what are your satisfyingly petty revenge stories, maybe revenge stories that backfired on other people? That would be really cool. Yes. Uh-huh. All right. Well, thanks everyone. We so so appreciate all of our five listeners for listening to us regularly. And I'm pretty sure that three of those listeners are me and you and Ryan. Robin Axline: Hey, the other day I was literally laughing out loud on one of our own episodes on the Tita Lors: Ha ha. Robin Axline: subway and I probably got some funny looks. I was hoping people would be like, what are you listening to? That's so funny just me. Tita Lors: Hilarious. Robin Axline: Too funny. but yes, if you want to L O L in the car, on the train, at lunch, Tita Lors: Mm. Robin Axline: wherever you are. Tita Lors: Yes. Yes. Like, follow, subscribe, all of that stuff. We're on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Deezer, and now YouTube. YouTube. yes. And all of the socials. What is it? At Petty and Unbothered. Websites, petty and unbothered dot com. Mm-hmm. You can Yes, you can find me on Instagram, Tita Lores. There's nothing on there because I don't post a lot of things. Robin Axline: me, Robin Axline on Instagram. I think I do more in the stories than on the grid, but you never know. True. Work in progress. Tita Lors: Yeah, we we could switch it up. We're working on it. Yeah. Well this is fun. Can't wait to see you in the next five minutes when we do our next one. Bye everyone. Robin Axline: same. Okay, well if yeah if that's all all we have to say for today we've got one more thing for you Tita Lors: Yes. Until next time everyone. Fuck it. Robin Axline: stay petty