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RAGING MOTHER-IN-LAW ORDERS HIT ON LAW PROF SON-IN-LAW TO WALK FREE BC "JUROR MISCONDUCT?" · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Arranging mother in law orders a hit on her law
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  Speaker 2: professor's son in law and she's convicted now to walk
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  Speaker 2: free because she alleges youror misconduct and oh yes, TikTok
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  Speaker 2: is involved. Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 3: So you're saying his head is bloody, now, yes, some bloody.
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  Speaker 4: I mean it's window shattered. I don't know if he's
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  Speaker 4: tried to shoot himself. I don't know what the situation.
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  Speaker 4: He's not responding to that, but his head's kind of
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  Speaker 4: rolling around him.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, is she conscious?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I can't tell.
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking about the killer mother in law, Donna Adelson,
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  Speaker 2: who is so incensed that her son in law refuses
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  Speaker 2: to let his children move seven hours away from his
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  Speaker 2: home where he teaches law school to be closer to
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  Speaker 2: her the grandma that she orders a hint and has
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  Speaker 2: him executed.
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  Speaker 1: Really, okay, listen to this.
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  Speaker 3: One wants see address of your emergency. Okay, tell exactly
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  Speaker 3: what happened.
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  Speaker 4: We heard looked in the garage, goal was up and
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  Speaker 4: I thought the gentleman was backing out, and I went
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  Speaker 4: back to my house, but he never backed out, and
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  Speaker 4: I came back over and his wind his driver's side
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  Speaker 4: window is shattered, and he's moving his head around, but
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  Speaker 4: he's not responding. I've called his name, asked what's going on?
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  Speaker 4: And I call his name, asking what's happening. He's not
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  Speaker 4: responding to that, but his head's kind of rolling around.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, is he conscious?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I can't tell.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, is he breathing?
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  Speaker 4: I can't tell that. I'm assuming he's breathing if he's
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  Speaker 4: moving his head around.
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  Speaker 3: Did you ever hear him talk or anything? Okay, he said,
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  Speaker 3: he's sitting in the car right correct the driver's seat.
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  Speaker 1: You know what that means.
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  Speaker 2: And shortly I'm going to go to a renowned medical
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  Speaker 2: examiner on this, Professor Dan Markel, was actually alive? Was
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  Speaker 2: he seeing his life flash before him?
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  Speaker 1: In his own garage?
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  Speaker 2: There he is with his ex wife, Wendy Adelson, practically
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  Speaker 2: the only one left in the family that hasn't been
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  Speaker 2: charged with the murder. And now, just so you know,
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  Speaker 2: when you don't know a horse, look at her track record.
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  Speaker 2: This killer mother in law has already tried to get
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  Speaker 2: out of jail, claiming she had earwax and because the
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  Speaker 2: food sucks. Their words, not mine. Really get used to it, woman,
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  Speaker 2: get used to it.
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  Speaker 1: We're going straight to the scene.
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  Speaker 2: Joining us now in Miami, renowned private investigator Robert Crispin
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  Speaker 2: of CRISP Special Investigations, former Federal Task Force officer for USDJ.
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  Speaker 2: Joining us, Robert, Robert, can we just clarify the problem
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  Speaker 2: the so called killer mother in law Donna Adelson had
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  Speaker 2: her her son in law, Professor Dan Markel, comes home
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  Speaker 2: and by the way, I had heard of him in
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  Speaker 2: legal circles as being brilliant all right when he was.
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  Speaker 1: Alive, So she the wife, no, let me start with him.
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  Speaker 2: Markel comes home from work to find the furniture gone,
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  Speaker 2: his wife gone, and most important, his little boy's gone.
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  Speaker 2: Then Wendy Adelson's family aggressively hides his children from him,
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  Speaker 2: and Wendy Adelson's a lawyer. How she allowed this to happen,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, But then wanted to move the children
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  Speaker 2: from where he was guests around Tallahassee all the way
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  Speaker 2: to Miami.
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  Speaker 1: How far of a drive would that be, Crispin, every
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  Speaker 1: bit of eight hours.
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  Speaker 5: It's a long trek from Tallahassee all the way down
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  Speaker 5: here to Miami.
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  Speaker 1: At least where are you? What is that behind you, Crispin?
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  Speaker 5: So I'm coming to you, live, Nancy, right outside where
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  Speaker 5: Donna Adelson's multimillion dollar condo sits, perched on keep a skain,
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  Speaker 5: overlooking the city of Miami skyline, all the cruise ships
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  Speaker 5: and the entrance of the Rickenbacker Causeway out to keep
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  Speaker 5: a skain.
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  Speaker 1: Her view is insane.
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  Speaker 5: In her multimillion dollar condo, she has traded for a
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  Speaker 5: jail cell.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that is quite a change in circumstances, is it not,
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  Speaker 2: Because now she's sitting in a jail cell, Crispin, with
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  Speaker 2: a cot and three hots that we're paying for, and
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  Speaker 2: whining about TikTok of all things and demanding a new trial.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, sometimes when money talks, justice walks, and
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to see that happening.
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  Speaker 1: These people are loaded loaded.
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  Speaker 2: Did you hear about the wedding that Wendy Adelson had
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  Speaker 2: with Markel?
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  Speaker 1: I mean over the top.
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking ice sculptures, five star venue, the works.
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  Speaker 1: They are loaded And now hold on, you got to
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  Speaker 1: hear this.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to hear this, Crispin again, When you don't
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  Speaker 2: know a horse.
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  Speaker 1: Look at her track record.
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  Speaker 2: Now she's whining she needs a new trial because of TikTok. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: she probably never even heard of TikTok she was sitting
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  Speaker 2: in her jail cell. But this is her track record.
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  Speaker 2: Listen to this complaint.
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  Speaker 6: So I have a hearing issue.
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  Speaker 7: I have a problem. I evidently have very narrow ear canals,
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  Speaker 7: and so doing getting the West builds up in my
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  Speaker 7: ears to the point that I mean, I have officers
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  Speaker 7: and say to me, are you jeff atels? And when
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  Speaker 7: I don't respond to them, it's because I don't hear them.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, really, she wanted out from behind bars because
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  Speaker 2: of her ear wax, And I'm supposed to take her
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  Speaker 2: seriously because she claims your arm misconduct and TikTok. Really
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  Speaker 2: have you ever in your life and you've probably dealt
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  Speaker 2: with as many felons as I have heard anyone complain
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  Speaker 2: they should be set free because of ear wax.
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  Speaker 5: Well, that's probably the first one I've heard about, is
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  Speaker 5: that one? But if you think about it, Nancy, according
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  Speaker 5: to the law enforcement, perched up there on the sixteenth
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  Speaker 5: floor of per condo with this beautiful view is where
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  Speaker 5: she orchestrated this entire mastermind of having him killed.
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  Speaker 1: So it's pretty quiet up there, you know, isn't it true?
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  Speaker 2: Straight out to Jji Mkelvey joining us investigative journalists and hosts.
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  Speaker 1: Are pre elies and alibis.
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  Speaker 2: Gigi didn't she make another bid at freedom, claiming the
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  Speaker 2: food behind bars was making her fat.
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  Speaker 8: She did because commissary food is not healthy. It is
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  Speaker 8: just junk food. And she complained that she had gained
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  Speaker 8: a lot of weight since her incarceration, as a lot
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  Speaker 8: of inmates do because they don't like the prison food
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  Speaker 8: and they do have that option to buy a lot
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  Speaker 8: of foods that are high and fast and salt. That
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  Speaker 8: was another reason she thought she needed to be let out.
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  Speaker 2: Salt and high fat content. Okay, you know what that
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  Speaker 2: that leaves me at a loss. But I'm trying to
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  Speaker 2: judge her complaint. She says, TikTok has destroyed her life
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  Speaker 2: and one's youror in specific. Well, you know what, can
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  Speaker 2: I remind everybody it's not about her ear wax, or
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  Speaker 2: her starchy food or tick tight It's about this.
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  Speaker 4: Bloody now, yes, some bloody. I mean it's the windows shattered.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if he's tried to shoot himself. I
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  Speaker 4: don't know what the situation is.
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  Speaker 3: It's the driver's side window, correct, that's correct.
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  Speaker 4: He's still moving around, So who's alive?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, looks like I should have an officer coming up
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  Speaker 3: the roadway. Okay, well we need the MP. The officer's
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  Speaker 3: going to be there first. They're not going to come
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  Speaker 3: until we figure out what's going on. But they're on
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  Speaker 3: the way as well.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we'd better be if this guy's got to shut
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  Speaker 2: a Philip Debey, joining US veteran trial lawyer out of
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  Speaker 2: the California jurisdiction, tried a ton of cases. A Phillip debay,
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  Speaker 2: How can I take anything this woman says seriously when
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  Speaker 2: she's been complaining about the starchy food behind bars.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, she gets donuts, she gets breads.
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  Speaker 2: She also gets high protein like eggs, meat, vegetables. But
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  Speaker 2: she's whining about Italian night really and the ear wax
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  Speaker 2: in her ears, And now she wants me to believe
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  Speaker 2: she should walk free. Walk free on a murder charge,
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  Speaker 2: not just a murder charge, not I'm mad at you bang,
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  Speaker 2: a long thought out and planned execution style murder because
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  Speaker 2: Markel would not go along with moving his children eight
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  Speaker 2: hours away from him, and now I'm supposed to pay
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  Speaker 2: attention to her TikTok compliant.
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  Speaker 9: What can I tell you? She was a tin pot
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  Speaker 9: dictator within the family. And the days of her horsh
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  Speaker 9: glinses in vodka are over and she's going to be
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  Speaker 9: living on what we call the high fives, meaning the
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  Speaker 9: high fat, the high cholesterol, the high sodium, the high
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  Speaker 9: fruitose corn syrup, and the high cholesterol. And she needs
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  Speaker 9: to get used to it and make sure she has
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  Speaker 9: a doctor behind bars to keep her on statins and
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  Speaker 9: heart medication because that is going to be her life. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 9: now having said that, it doesn't mean she doesn't have
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  Speaker 9: a post trial motion regarding jurreami'sconduct, and it remains to
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  Speaker 9: be seeing what the evidence is to show during this conduct.
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  Speaker 9: If it is a viable claim, then the court can
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  Speaker 9: actually grant the relief and order a hearing. And that's
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  Speaker 9: the endgame here, is to get the hearing. So before
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  Speaker 9: you even get to a new trial, the court has
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  Speaker 9: to find that there wasn't fact misconduct, much of it
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  Speaker 9: hinges on a credibility pall. If the court actually believes
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  Speaker 9: the testimony of these kicktoker jurors. Then she doesn't get
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  Speaker 9: a new trial, she stands convicted, and off she goes
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  Speaker 9: to prison to ensure her five highs.
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  Speaker 2: Straight out to doctor Judy hoe joining us clinical friends
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  Speaker 2: at neuropsychologist, author of the New Rules of Attachment and
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  Speaker 2: Stop Self Sabotage. You can find her doctor judyhoeho dot com.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Judy, thank you for being with us. Could you
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  Speaker 2: just help me out? Because all on her from debate?
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  Speaker 10: Then then.
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  Speaker 1: Help me out.
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  Speaker 2: How can anybody take Donna Adelson anything?
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  Speaker 1: She says, seriously, Nancy, we can't.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, you even see her demeanor as she's trying
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  Speaker 11: to communicate her struggles and it's as if she has
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  Speaker 11: no self awareness that this would sound ridiculous to pretty
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  Speaker 11: much everyone listening her whole diatribe about the ear wax
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  Speaker 11: and how much it's bothering her and how people are
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  Speaker 11: accusing her of being deaf, that that's one of her
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  Speaker 11: biggest problems. Can we please focus on the core of
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  Speaker 11: the problem. Why are you there in the first place?
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  Speaker 11: Why are you incarcerated because you have been charged with
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  Speaker 11: first degree murder the loss of another human life, a
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  Speaker 11: family member. You stripped your grandchildren of their father, and
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  Speaker 11: you're talking about your ear wax. Nancy, it was hard
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  Speaker 11: for me to have some compassion as she was talking
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  Speaker 11: about that. And you know, I am someone who was
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  Speaker 11: supposed to have built my career on compassion, and it
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  Speaker 11: was still a struggle for me, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: So maybe you have to help.
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  Speaker 2: Me today, you know, just you never hear any from
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  Speaker 2: her about the death of her son in law and
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  Speaker 2: what this has meant to her grandchildren.
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  Speaker 1: There was a point, isn't this true?
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  Speaker 2: Sidney Sunray joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter that she
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  Speaker 2: offered or suggested offering to Professor Markel a million dollars
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  Speaker 2: to let go of the children and let them move
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  Speaker 2: to be closer to her than the grandmother. And when
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  Speaker 2: that didn't work, she said, let's tell them, let's tell
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  Speaker 2: him that we have converted them to Catholicism and baptized
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  Speaker 2: them because they're devout Jews.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, what is wrong with her?
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  Speaker 2: Could you fill me in on those two attempts by
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  Speaker 2: Donna Adelson?
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  Speaker 12: I cannot believe how much this woman hated Dan Markel
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  Speaker 12: just for wanting to be close to his children. This
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  Speaker 12: family had such a work sense, a work perception of
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  Speaker 12: what Markel was doing by just wanting to keep his
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  Speaker 12: children actively in his life every day.
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  Speaker 1: I do not.
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  Speaker 12: Understand how someone can be pushed to murder someone because
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  Speaker 12: they wanted to be an active.
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  Speaker 1: Father in their children's life. It's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: Here are the claims exactly that Donna Adelson, who was
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  Speaker 2: sitting behind bars, not in her aluxe condo where you
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  Speaker 2: say Crispin standing in front of it, but in jail
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  Speaker 2: where she belongs. According to a juror who is joining
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  Speaker 2: us shortly, this is the crux of her claims.
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  Speaker 13: Edelson filed a motion for a new trial claiming jury misconduct,
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  Speaker 13: bias from the judge, and a lack of evidence, just
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  Speaker 13: two weeks after in conviction, and includes a request to
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  Speaker 13: interview two of the.
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  Speaker 1: Jurors Adelson accuses.
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  Speaker 14: During number seven JC Maxen Walker posted a TikTok about
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  Speaker 14: her selection to the jury on the third day of
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  Speaker 14: the trial, then deleted the post. Adelson says they can
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  Speaker 14: provide a copy of the video on Adolsen writes that
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  Speaker 14: Max and Walker then went viral for hosts discussing details
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  Speaker 14: of the case immediately after the verdict.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 15: Overall, it took us about just over three hours to deliberate.
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  Speaker 16: And reach our final verdicts.
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  Speaker 15: Right, but within the first hour hour and a half,
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  Speaker 15: I want to say, everyone was agreeing that she is guilty.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone it was unanus.
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  Speaker 1: Within the first hour hour and a half.
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  Speaker 15: Donna Nielson was found guilty on all three charges for
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  Speaker 15: killing her ex son in law. I'm here to say
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  Speaker 15: that I was on the jury and I got to
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  Speaker 15: be the four person. If you have questions, let me
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  Speaker 15: know because.
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  Speaker 2: I can finally talk that drom at Lacey with aj
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  Speaker 2: on TikTok. I mean, come on, Robert Crispin, You've tried
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  Speaker 2: handled so many felony cases. Crispin is joining us right
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  Speaker 2: now outside across the water, that beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: View mother in law from Hale had.
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  Speaker 2: I'd love to have a gr like that. She's proud
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  Speaker 2: she was on the jury. She's proud she was for
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  Speaker 2: a person. What's wrong with that?
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  Speaker 1: Not a thing?
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  Speaker 5: And with the new gen zs in TikTok and social
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  Speaker 5: media and all these platforms that are out there now,
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  Speaker 5: all these people are going to their own social media
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  Speaker 5: and posting and Nancy, they have a microphone. They're not
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  Speaker 5: being censored, They're not being edited. They're not ending up
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  Speaker 5: on the floor of the editing room. They're telling what
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  Speaker 5: they want when they want, when they can. I love
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  Speaker 5: it and get ready. There's a lot more of that
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  Speaker 5: coming out on cases to come.
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  Speaker 1: You're not kidding, do Maybe what's wrong with what she said?
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  Speaker 2: I don't see anything wrong with what Lacey with aj
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  Speaker 2: on TikTok had to say.
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  Speaker 1: She was a four person. She's proud.
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  Speaker 2: Aielsen asked for it, she did it, she deserved it,
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  Speaker 2: she was convicted.
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  Speaker 1: Why what's the problem?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, resons in.
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  Speaker 9: This condo, particularly if it's going on during the trial.
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  Speaker 9: If she's going online commenting, looking at social media in
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  Speaker 9: direct violation of court orders not to follow the case,
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  Speaker 9: not to discuss the case until all jurors are sent
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  Speaker 9: to the jury room to deliberate. That is a contemptive court.
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  Speaker 9: And the remedy for that is the tinpot dictator gets
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  Speaker 9: a new trial.
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  Speaker 1: WHA WHA.
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  Speaker 2: When I think for a miss Trump be granted, you
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  Speaker 2: have to show that the error was so grievous that
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  Speaker 2: it would have warranted a new trial, that it impacted
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  Speaker 2: the jury so much that a new trial would be
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  Speaker 2: warranted because there would have been a different outcome.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on, let's hear more from Lacey.
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  Speaker 6: With aj A lot of people are saying that I'm
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  Speaker 6: the reason that a Kyla is going to happen, which
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  Speaker 6: is just crazy because if you actually.
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  Speaker 1: Watched and really listened to.
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  Speaker 6: Anything I said, it's just no words. Yeah, I said
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  Speaker 6: absolutely nothing that could hurt the verdict that we came
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  Speaker 6: up with. Okay, Like I'm not as far as of
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  Speaker 6: people's concerns as to me being on social media and
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  Speaker 6: person by TikTok's in the last week or two, there
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  Speaker 6: was no rule of stating that we cannot be on Thorcian.
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  Speaker 1: Media, the rule of provided by Judge Everett in this case.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, we cannot seek out information.
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  Speaker 17: About this case.
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  Speaker 6: We cannot talk about the case with anyone, We cannot
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  Speaker 6: listen to others talk.
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  Speaker 1: About the case.
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  Speaker 6: We cannot do anything in regard to the case during
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  Speaker 6: the trial. But now that I'm released as a juror,
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  Speaker 6: I have the freedom to say and do.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever that Again, from at least you with aj On TikTok,
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  Speaker 2: can I do Bay.
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  Speaker 1: I know you went to law school and you tried
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  Speaker 1: a lot of cases, but I think she's got you
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  Speaker 1: over the barrel.
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  Speaker 2: Guys joining me right now, Special guest Evan Higginbotham is
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  Speaker 2: with us aka your R number six.
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  Speaker 1: Can you believe it was just a few.
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  Speaker 2: Short days ago that you voted guilty? You did vote guilty,
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  Speaker 2: right on Donna Adelson? Correct, Yes, that's right, Okay, that
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  Speaker 2: was just a few days ago. And already she has
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  Speaker 2: hatched a motion for a new trial and to have
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  Speaker 2: her case completely reversed. And part of her claim is
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  Speaker 2: YOURR misconduct. How does that make you feel you're a
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  Speaker 2: gr R? Did you see any conduct?
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  Speaker 18: I didn't know that.
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  Speaker 17: This doesn't surprise me at all. It would only make
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  Speaker 17: sense for he look for something like this after the
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  Speaker 17: verdict was served.
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  Speaker 2: Sounds like Donna Adelson didn't make a very good impression
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  Speaker 2: on the jury. And more now here is Mitchelle McKenzie
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  Speaker 2: Ailsen's your number five.
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  Speaker 19: There were certain witnesses that when they brought in, I
• 18:47
  Speaker 19: was focused kind of on her reaction and body language.
• 18:51
  Speaker 19: I really just wanted to see how she reacted to
• 18:53
  Speaker 19: certain things. I wanted to see how she reacted to
• 18:56
  Speaker 19: the information that was coming out. Uh, not that that
• 18:59
  Speaker 19: I could use that against her during deliberations, but you know,
• 19:02
  Speaker 19: it kind of gave me a sense of where her
• 19:05
  Speaker 19: head was at I think during certain testimony.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Now that is a gurr appearing on Surviving the Survivor,
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: so GJ. McKelvey joining US investigative journalist. The other claim
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: is that that juror judged her Adelson on her reactions
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: in court. What's wrong with that? You know, they're asking
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: these jurors not to be human. Of course they're gonna
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: look at the defendant. And I've been in so many courtrooms, Nancy,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: where it's like a tennis match. The jury watches the witness,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: and they watched the defendant. And what I find funny too,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: is that they had her dressed like a granny, so
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: they wanted the jury to look at her at certain times,
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: but not when testimony was going on.
• 19:46
  Speaker 8: It's a human thing to do. And so I think
• 19:48
  Speaker 8: this is just a really moot point. I think it's
• 19:51
  Speaker 8: grasping its straws and throwing stuff against the wall to
• 19:54
  Speaker 8: see what sticks. But he immediately says, I didn't take
• 19:57
  Speaker 8: that in the jury room. There's no harm, no foul.
• 20:00
  Speaker 16: So long story short, doctor gud how can you listen
• 20:04
  Speaker 16: to the evidence, listen to the testimony and look over
• 20:07
  Speaker 16: at the defendant and pretend you don't see what you see.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: What is she talking about? Exactly, Nancy.
• 20:14
  Speaker 11: And no matter what we do, as human beings, given
• 20:18
  Speaker 11: germ instructions, our feelings are going to be entangled in
• 20:23
  Speaker 11: our decision making.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: We would love to say.
• 20:24
  Speaker 11: That that's not going to be the case.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: That's just not true. We are emotional beings. That's how
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: we're built.
• 20:29
  Speaker 11: And so you're hearing the evidence and then you're trying
• 20:33
  Speaker 11: to try to piece this all together and say, all right,
• 20:36
  Speaker 11: this person clearly doesn't even seem to show any remorse,
• 20:40
  Speaker 11: any empathy towards her other family members who have been affected.
• 20:45
  Speaker 11: What do we do with a somebody like this, because
• 20:47
  Speaker 11: they are going to be potentially a continued threat to
• 20:51
  Speaker 11: the rest of society. And even now as all of
• 20:55
  Speaker 11: this is unfolding, there isn't still a clear remorse and
• 20:59
  Speaker 11: that does factor into jury decisions. I'm sorry to say it,
• 21:02
  Speaker 11: but I just will.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Guys, speaking of her reactions, watch her reaction.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: When the jury hands down the verdict.
• 21:11
  Speaker 10: We have a jury find as follows as the count
• 21:14
  Speaker 10: one of the indictment, first degree murder. The defendant is
• 21:18
  Speaker 10: guilty of first degree murder. Missus Adelson, control yourself. Count two.
• 21:28
  Speaker 10: We have a jury find as follows as the count
• 21:31
  Speaker 10: two of the indictment, conspiracy to commit first degree murder.
• 21:37
  Speaker 10: The defendant is guilty of conspiracy to commit first degree
• 21:41
  Speaker 10: murder from.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Our friends at tallahassee Democrat. Back to doctor Judy Hoe
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: joining us clinical forensic neuropsychologist.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Did you see the crime? Did you see that?
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: But nothing about Dan Markel, her dad's son in law,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Nothing about him, but just her.
• 21:58
  Speaker 11: The first time does she shows such a extreme emotion
• 22:00
  Speaker 11: is of course about her own welfare and well being.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: And I would also.
• 22:05
  Speaker 11: Argue that when someone has such an extreme reaction, even
• 22:10
  Speaker 11: if it of course is a decision, that's going to
• 22:12
  Speaker 11: affect your life.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: This is why she was told to control herself.
• 22:15
  Speaker 11: Most people are not going to actually look kindly on that,
• 22:18
  Speaker 11: because there is a sense that perhaps that's put on,
• 22:22
  Speaker 11: whether that's true or not, that is going to be
• 22:24
  Speaker 11: someone's human intuition, someone's red flags going off saying, oh
• 22:29
  Speaker 11: my goodness, now she's really trying to demonstrate that she
• 22:33
  Speaker 11: is so emotional and so impacted.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Where was this? The rest of trial, they're.
• 22:36
  Speaker 11: Going to see the incongruency and it's going to be
• 22:38
  Speaker 11: hard for them to have more empathy after that.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: What about this, I don't know if this is in
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: your diagnostic manual, but what about rich little old Miami
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: saysilot can't believe somebody called her on her bass?
• 22:55
  Speaker 16: Watch this dot gudi Count three.
• 23:00
  Speaker 10: We the jury find as follows. As the count three
• 23:03
  Speaker 10: of the indictment, solicitation to commit first degree murder, the
• 23:08
  Speaker 10: defendant is guilty of solicitation to commit first degree murder.
• 23:13
  Speaker 10: If you cannot control yourself, I am going to have
• 23:17
  Speaker 10: to determine.
• 23:18
  Speaker 18: If you'll be removed from.
• 23:19
  Speaker 10: The remainder of this process. Do you understand what I'm
• 23:27
  Speaker 10: saying to you?
• 23:28
  Speaker 17: Yes?
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 23:32
  Speaker 10: Do you need a moment to collect yourself.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Again?
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: From our friends at Tallahassee Democrat daughter Judy Hoe, did
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: you see her between all that she said something very angrily,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: talk about lack of self control, impulse control. But she
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: had plenty of time to call off the murder of
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: her son in law, but she couldn't control herself, just
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: like she can't control herself in the courtroom exactly.
• 24:01
  Speaker 11: And this is why people are going to look at
• 24:04
  Speaker 11: this Nancy and say, why should I feel any sympathy
• 24:08
  Speaker 11: for this woman. No one's going to feel that sympathy
• 24:11
  Speaker 11: for her even as she is crying, balling her eyes out,
• 24:14
  Speaker 11: because of the context and when she's actually shedding those tears.
• 24:17
  Speaker 13: Adolsen also cites courtroom environments. Wheneverett ruled against the defense,
• 24:22
  Speaker 13: the gallery laughed out loud despite multiple warnings from Everett.
• 24:26
  Speaker 13: Adolson claims the continued behavior eroded the defense's credibility in
• 24:31
  Speaker 13: the eyes of the jury. Adolsen also claims footage of
• 24:34
  Speaker 13: the proceedings shows gallery members making faces at the jurors
• 24:37
  Speaker 13: throughout the trial, distracting them from testimony.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Well, if the gallery, the paint gallery had disrupted the trial,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: I would have expected the judge to throw them out.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: If this is true, Adelson complaining about the environment in
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: the courtroom is what convicted her. Well, the evidence was
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: overwhelming that she was involved in Markell's murder. Let's go
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: straight back out to Evan Higginbotham. Evan, what was your
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: first impression of Donna Edelson?
• 25:14
  Speaker 18: My first imprint?
• 25:15
  Speaker 17: It is hard to say because whenever I first came
• 25:17
  Speaker 17: in for a jury selection, she's an older lady, so
• 25:21
  Speaker 17: I wasn't certain who the defense attorneys were. They're all
• 25:24
  Speaker 17: sitting behind in the same desk, And it took until
• 25:28
  Speaker 17: me walking back there and speak to the defense team
• 25:31
  Speaker 17: and the prosecutors on the second day of jury selection
• 25:33
  Speaker 17: for me to realize that she was deft and I
• 25:36
  Speaker 17: had no opinion on her.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, wait, that's really funny. Funny, odd and funny. I
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: say predictable because I believe it is harder for gurrrs
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: to convict a woman of a violent crime such as murder.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Like you said, you came in.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: And it took you a while to realize, Oh, it's
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: a little old lady.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Speaking charged with murder.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Because, for instance, I think of my own mother, and
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: my mother raised me, she took care of me, she
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: sacrificed for me. It's really hard for me to imagine
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: someone like my mother committing a murder or planning a murder.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Now tell me that again, how long did it take
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: you to realize, Oh, the older lady is the one
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: charged with murder.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: I left the.
• 26:26
  Speaker 17: First day of jury selection, not I'm sure who the
• 26:29
  Speaker 17: defendant was. It took me coming back, and then after
• 26:32
  Speaker 17: I finally got in there and the defense attorney started
• 26:35
  Speaker 17: as speaking to me, for me Okay, so she's the.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Defendant, Dubey, that is the defense attorney's dream guror they
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: can't with the defendant sitting right in front of them,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: their mind cannot grasp she, the little old lady, is
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: the one charged with murder.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: He just can't comprehend that.
• 26:54
  Speaker 9: Well, that's why I always advise to be yourself a trial.
• 26:58
  Speaker 9: I don't know why they clad her in an hout
• 27:00
  Speaker 9: is looking like Grandma Walton, because she really wasn't being herself.
• 27:04
  Speaker 9: And I got to tell you, on a personal level,
• 27:07
  Speaker 9: I don't agree with the judge the way he chied
• 27:09
  Speaker 9: it and casteized her in open court. The lady just
• 27:12
  Speaker 9: literally found out in a couple of words that whatever
• 27:15
  Speaker 9: left of her life is over, as opposed to finding
• 27:18
  Speaker 9: out that there is no Santa Claus anymore. It is ridiculous,
• 27:22
  Speaker 9: and it looks like she was.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I do say that's falling flat
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: with me, because all that matters right now is will
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: there be a new trial. And this was already at
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: the verdict phase.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: The trial was over. That did not affect the verdict.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: When he said get a hold of yourself, woman, look and.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: All that is total bs. She you know what.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Too.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Robert Crispin joining us. He's been with the fence, he's
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: been with DOJ.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Now he's joining Crispin Special Investigation, former homicide detective. She
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: did it, and now she's looking around going, oh my stars, Lilo,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: me is in jail.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: This can't be real. How can I get out of here? Claw? Claw, Claw,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: That's what's happening. She did it.
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: Come on, Nancy, how many juries have we sat in?
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: How many trials have we sat in?
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: The rubber hit the road? For Donna, it hit the road.
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: The evidence was against her, The gallery wasn't against her,
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: the jury wasn't against her.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: The evidence was against her. She never thought, birched.
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: Up on the sixteenth floor, that she would ever, ever,
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: ever get caught orchestrating and masterminding.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: This entire murder.
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: But guess what, that jury came back in such a
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: short amount of time, and listening to some of the
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: conversations from those jurors when they got out, they did
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: an initial are you guilty?
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Is she guilty or not?
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: When they were in their final deliberations, and they all
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: came back guilty. So nobody convicted Donna but herself. Not you,
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: not me, not the panic gallery, not the cops. Donna
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: Addison convicted herself.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Hey, Crispin, which one of those buildings behind you was
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: her high rise? I guess a husband's still there, But
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: which one is it?
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: So look, there's those two green glass buildings right there,
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: one with the white dome on it is the one
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: that she lived in, and it's up there on the
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: sixteen sixteen oh nine, sixteen four multimillion dollars. Nancy, I'm
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: telling you it's Scott sprawling insane views.
• 29:42
  Speaker 20: Insane views.
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: Guess what she's now sitting in jail cell for the
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: rest of her lifense.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: I guess some people are just so rich and so
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: living in a bubble. They're rich bubble. They think they
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: can get away with everything. Markel was just like a
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: paper cut, is it? You squashed it and throw it
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: in the trash and don't think about it again. I mean,
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: this guy was a brilliant lawyer, but more important, a
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: loving dad that did not want to be away from
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: his children. He wouldn't take a million dollars literally to
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: be away from them. It wasn't about money, it was
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: about them, them, That's all he cared about.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Crispin.
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that was a brutal homicide. That was a
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: great guy, a great father, a pillar in our community
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: in the legal profession. She masterminded this and took all
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: that away from him. Nan, she all that away, and
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: she treated all this in for her jail cell. So
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: you know what it is? What it is?
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, that's not a legal theory, but it's true.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Joining me right now, an incredible medical examiner, doctor Kendall Crowns,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: talking about Save the Best for Last Chief Medical Examiner
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Terran County.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: That's fort Worth.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: He is a host of a brand new hit podcast,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Mayhem in the Morgue. He is an esteemed lecturer at
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: the Brunette School of Medicine at TCU, And it goes
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: on and on, but for my purposes, has performed literally
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: thousands of autopsies. Can we have a reality check from
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Donna Adelson in her ear wax and her starchy food
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: and her whining and crying about people that made fun
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: of her. Markel is dead and he died in a
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: brutal fashion, and he had long enough to know he
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: was dying. It wasn't instantaneous, was it. Doctor Kyndall Crown's Noah.
• 31:38
  Speaker 20: Was not from the witness accounts he was moving after
• 31:42
  Speaker 20: he was shot, and based on the information we have,
• 31:45
  Speaker 20: there was a survival time period what the wounds were,
• 31:49
  Speaker 20: as he had a gunshot wound of his face that
• 31:52
  Speaker 20: entered into his cheek and another gunshot wound that entered
• 31:55
  Speaker 20: into his forehead. Now, the one in his cheek potentially
• 32:00
  Speaker 20: could not have hit vital structures that would have caused
• 32:03
  Speaker 20: him to die instantly, and the one in his forehead
• 32:06
  Speaker 20: potentially only encountered half.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: Of his brain.
• 32:10
  Speaker 20: So if one half of your brain is hit, the
• 32:13
  Speaker 20: other half is still able to function and you aren't
• 32:16
  Speaker 20: going to die right away. But as you're sitting there
• 32:18
  Speaker 20: from the damage done by the gunshot wound, your brain
• 32:21
  Speaker 20: is going to swell and it's eventually going to pinch
• 32:24
  Speaker 20: off your brain stem and kill you. So that's why
• 32:27
  Speaker 20: when witnesses were there, they saw that he was still moving.
• 32:31
  Speaker 20: He probably only had half of his brain compromise, and
• 32:34
  Speaker 20: it took him a little while to die. The other
• 32:37
  Speaker 20: thing is is there's a mention of a gunshot wounded
• 32:39
  Speaker 20: the forearms, so he did probably try to shield himself
• 32:42
  Speaker 20: at one point before he got shot, and that's probably
• 32:46
  Speaker 20: why the cheek wound isn't as severe as the forehead.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Wound crime Stores. With Nancy Grace.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Joining us tonight, a very special guest, Evan Higginbotham is
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: with us, aka your R number six.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Evan, thank you for being with.
• 33:11
  Speaker 18: Us, Hey, thanks so much for having me.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Did you ever wonder why Professor Markel's wife, Wendy wasn't
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: charged because it seems like this whole murder plot, the
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: whole murder was so Wendy, then Markel could take her children,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: the boys, and move to Miami. Did you ever wonder, well,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: wait a minute, how is she coming out smelling like
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: a rose?
• 33:40
  Speaker 17: I definitely was interested in trying to understand that at
• 33:43
  Speaker 17: the beginning, and at this point now after going through
• 33:46
  Speaker 17: the whole trial and seeing it, it makes a lot
• 33:48
  Speaker 17: of sense as to why Wendy's at the.
• 33:51
  Speaker 18: Back end of this and hasn't been charged with anything yet.
• 33:53
  Speaker 17: I mean, they did such a good job of insulating
• 33:56
  Speaker 17: each other throughout this whole conspiracy, from say Frado Garcia
• 34:00
  Speaker 17: all the way to Miss Elsen.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: You know what, Evan Higginbotham, You're like a threat. You're
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: like a double threat. You've got charisma and brains. The
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: way you just said that you want to consider dumping
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: out of electrical engineering and going to law school. Referring
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: to how every member of the murder plot insulated each
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: other from getting.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Caught, what do you mean by that? Well, you're absolutely right,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: number one. But what leads you to that observation.
• 34:33
  Speaker 17: Well, there was very little overlap in communication between Segfredo
• 34:38
  Speaker 17: Garcia to Catherine mcbena lah, from Cathrie mckrana Wah to Charlie,
• 34:42
  Speaker 17: and then from Charlie to Donna. There was a very
• 34:45
  Speaker 17: little overlap from that, so we didn't see very much
• 34:47
  Speaker 17: contact at on any from miss Eielson, Gothriye mcmanawah, vice versa,
• 34:52
  Speaker 17: or even Charlie to Secreto. And I think them setting
• 34:56
  Speaker 17: up that way and making sure that there was very
• 34:58
  Speaker 17: little contact outside of just their person makes it you
• 35:03
  Speaker 17: have to tie a connection further along able to make pet.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Did any of the other jurors wonder why the wife,
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Wendy had not been charged.
• 35:15
  Speaker 17: I'm sure they have. I didn't seek to them very
• 35:19
  Speaker 17: much about that in any very deliberation. We stayed very
• 35:22
  Speaker 17: focused on just miss a. Viewers on trial with Donna,
• 35:27
  Speaker 17: I'm sure that they're probably just as interested to see.
• 35:32
  Speaker 18: On the back end that I am about.
• 35:35
  Speaker 17: Wendy's contribution to this, but I so very little to
• 35:40
  Speaker 17: all the other jurors about anyone outside of this. Miss
• 35:42
  Speaker 17: alelest in her.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Part that was wise.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you get in there, and what went through
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: your mind when they called you to be a gerr
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: one of the twelve.
• 35:54
  Speaker 17: My first thought was I'm going to miss a lot
• 35:56
  Speaker 17: of class and then and then it was a great experience.
• 36:01
  Speaker 17: I'm very grateful for being selected, But yeah, I was
• 36:07
  Speaker 17: surprised to be picked, though I thought that for sure,
• 36:09
  Speaker 17: me being a relatively young guy and being a student,
• 36:13
  Speaker 17: I figured it OU would be probably sent away pretty
• 36:15
  Speaker 17: early in the selection process.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: What was the most difficult part of the deliberations, I
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: don't honestly.
• 36:24
  Speaker 17: It was going through the evidence. Again, there's a lot
• 36:29
  Speaker 17: of evidence to go through, so anything that we specifically
• 36:31
  Speaker 17: wanted to look at, we had to dig through and
• 36:33
  Speaker 17: find specifically what part of what piece of evidence we
• 36:36
  Speaker 17: wanted to go through, and that takes time to find.
• 36:39
  Speaker 17: And then But as far as like any sort of
• 36:43
  Speaker 17: friction between the jurors or anything like that, there was
• 36:46
  Speaker 17: very little. We all worked very professionally and pleasant discussion
• 36:52
  Speaker 17: the entire time there was any pickering or fighting, so
• 36:55
  Speaker 17: I was very impressed by everyone.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Did any fights break out, did anybody ever fight over
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: the evidence, or you know, did recollections vary as to
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: the evidence.
• 37:06
  Speaker 17: There was no viting whatsoever, which was surprising to me.
• 37:10
  Speaker 17: I expected there to be at least like some statsy
• 37:13
  Speaker 17: pickering here and there, but there was none of that.
• 37:15
  Speaker 17: There was different recollections, for sure. Some of us were
• 37:18
  Speaker 17: better note takers than others, so there would be things
• 37:20
  Speaker 17: where someone would mildly misremember something and then we'd go
• 37:23
  Speaker 17: back through the evidence to be okay. Well I was
• 37:25
  Speaker 17: taken on that, but everything was very pleasant.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Evan, you're describing a pretty peaceful deliberations. That's what I
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: want to hear, because dissension among the Gurrars and fighting
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: leads to reversals. What do you believe was the strongest
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: piece of evidence that convicted Adelson.
• 37:45
  Speaker 18: That's a difficult.
• 37:46
  Speaker 17: Question to answer because there's not It's not a case
• 37:49
  Speaker 17: where there's a smoking gun, so to say, it's a
• 37:52
  Speaker 17: lot of.
• 37:52
  Speaker 18: Small bits of evidence that add up.
• 37:55
  Speaker 17: To create a picture where that shows for guilty. I'd
• 38:00
  Speaker 17: say that some of the testimonies that really stood out
• 38:03
  Speaker 17: were definitely Chris Corbett as well as Rob Adelson.
• 38:07
  Speaker 18: I think we're very important. That's to us coming to
• 38:10
  Speaker 18: our conclusion.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: What specifically about those two, I think that.
• 38:17
  Speaker 17: Rob's testimony gives a lot of insight into character that
• 38:21
  Speaker 17: you don't get from any of the other testimonies in
• 38:24
  Speaker 17: being such an integral part of her life, being herself,
• 38:27
  Speaker 17: her oldest son, and then Chris Corbett. The digital forensics
• 38:34
  Speaker 17: from that placing the cell phones at certain areas, as
• 38:37
  Speaker 17: well as being able to see the text messagesiness some
• 38:40
  Speaker 17: of the phone calls at what period of time helps
• 38:43
  Speaker 17: create help set up that picture and helped Bee able
• 38:45
  Speaker 17: to see where the communication was at the time when
• 38:49
  Speaker 17: she was partly in the regards to when it was happening.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: What did you think about the sun, I mean the Maestro.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Did you guys hear evidence about his vanity tag Maestro?
• 39:05
  Speaker 17: I did not hear that specifically within the days, but
• 39:08
  Speaker 17: that doesn't surprise me after that day of us.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Listen, why do you say that I'm talking.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: About Wendy's Wendy, the wife, Wendy who has not been charged,
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: brother who was right up in the middle of all
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: this doing his mother's bidding. He's already been convicted, of course,
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: had a vanity tag onnes What was it?
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: Jack?
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: A Lamborghini maestro, you know, the one that orchestrates everything.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Truer words were never spoken. What did you think about him?
• 39:40
  Speaker 18: I was hoping that we would.
• 39:41
  Speaker 17: Get a testimony from him of some kind. That may
• 39:46
  Speaker 17: not have been something that I wanted after got up
• 39:49
  Speaker 17: on the stand if that did end up happening, he
• 39:51
  Speaker 17: is someone that did like the ramble for sure. I
• 39:54
  Speaker 17: had my feel of hearing it from Carly on that
• 39:57
  Speaker 17: whole day of phone calls, like four hours worth of
• 40:00
  Speaker 17: was listening to Arley and Donna.
• 40:04
  Speaker 18: But that doesn't surprise me. It seemed like someone that.
• 40:06
  Speaker 17: Was very pervose and had a pretty big so attack
• 40:12
  Speaker 17: like that on this carps.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: It's hard to believe everybody in the family and all
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: these people are involved and she knows nothing about it.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: But again that said, she has not been named as
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: suspect or a person of interest in this case. Question Evan,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: how did the crime scene photos affect you? Which photos
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: do you recall as being the most vivid?
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: The one of.
• 40:40
  Speaker 17: Mister Markel in the hospital was definitely a difficult one
• 40:43
  Speaker 17: to look at outside of that.
• 40:46
  Speaker 18: The other the ones of the crime scene, luckily were
• 40:48
  Speaker 18: not too strong, I guess would be the word I
• 40:53
  Speaker 18: would pick there.
• 40:56
  Speaker 17: The one of them in the hospital that with all
• 40:58
  Speaker 17: of the tubes and life support film was definitely one.
• 41:01
  Speaker 18: But yes, where reaction from me?
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: What did you make of the bump as it has
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: been called, We're an LA law enforcement agent bumps in
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: to Donna Adelson and ask for five thousand dollars to
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: basically keep quiet about what he allegedly knows about the murder?
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: What did you make of that?
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: And the phone calls that she had with her son
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: following the bump.
• 41:32
  Speaker 17: I think the bump operation was a really important part
• 41:34
  Speaker 17: of the space because nothing about the way she reacted
• 41:38
  Speaker 17: to that was ordinary.
• 41:40
  Speaker 18: Anyone else you would expect.
• 41:41
  Speaker 17: To immediately read the paper to begin with, and so
• 41:45
  Speaker 17: just sticking into your.
• 41:47
  Speaker 18: First and then would likely call the police it's.
• 41:50
  Speaker 17: Someone that is threatening or blackmailing you, and then definitely
• 41:53
  Speaker 17: not going to pick up your grandkids and then walk
• 41:55
  Speaker 17: them past the exact thing thought where that happened. So
• 41:58
  Speaker 17: I think that definitely set the tone for her involvement.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, all I needed to hear is for people
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: to say, don't call me, don't talk about this on
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: the phone, Let's go outside where they're not any bugs.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, why would you say that. I've never said
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: that in my whole life.
• 42:16
  Speaker 18: Yeah, definitely have strange behavior.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: They thought of the boys living their life without their dad.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: I believe their last names have been changed now. It's
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: almost as if Dan Markel has been totally erased.
• 42:36
  Speaker 18: Yeah, it's heartbreaking.
• 42:38
  Speaker 17: I feel terrible for those two kids because it's not
• 42:41
  Speaker 17: just the loss of their father, but it's the loss
• 42:43
  Speaker 17: of any normal life for them because that, you know,
• 42:48
  Speaker 17: they're getting to the age now where they absolutely have
• 42:51
  Speaker 17: to seeing some of the stuff that's living around the
• 42:54
  Speaker 17: Cairnet in regards to their mother and all with their family,
• 42:57
  Speaker 17: everything about their grandmother's trial, and that it's truly terrible
• 43:03
  Speaker 17: there because the victims and this as well.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: And now we remember an American hero, Sergeant David Miller,
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Clark's Fulle PD Tennessee, killed in the line of duty
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: after twenty years service, leaving behind grieving wife Amy and
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: two children. American hero, Rest in peace, Sergeant David Miller.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,