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Chuck’s Commentary - Money Is Destroying American Politics + Illinois Primary Was Ground Zero For Dark Money · The Chuck ToddCast

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Speaker 1: as well. Hello thereon, Welcome to the Thursday edition of
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Speaker 1: the Chuck Podcast. I have today's going to be a
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Speaker 1: bit more domestic, a bit moreocused on that obviously. Look
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Speaker 1: that the most important story impacting American politics is and
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Speaker 1: will continue to be the Iran War until it is
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Speaker 1: not right because of the impact it has on our economy,
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Speaker 1: the sort of symbolic impact it has on the economy
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Speaker 1: with gas prices, things like that, but the actual war itself,
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Speaker 1: the conduct of this war will we end up escalating
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Speaker 1: all these questions securing the straight of horn moves. It
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Speaker 1: is going to continue to be essentially and I think
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Speaker 1: if you're like I said, it's similar I said yesterday.
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Speaker 1: If you're a Republican running on the ballot in twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty six, you just wish this war would end in
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Speaker 1: some form or another, that you could turn the page
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Speaker 1: on this. But it isn't going to happen very quickly,
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Speaker 1: very easily. This is going to continue to be I
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Speaker 1: think the biggest story that will impact the larger sort
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Speaker 1: of perception of the direction of the country, and it
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Speaker 1: will certainly impact what is campaigned on. But at the
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Speaker 1: end of the day, whether the war was happening or not,
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Speaker 1: the issue of the economy and democracy issues would be
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Speaker 1: in some ways front and center. And my sub stack
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Speaker 1: theme this week is about how the only primary and
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Speaker 1: I think there's some important political follout from that that
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Speaker 1: I'll share with you in a few minutes. A huge
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Speaker 1: win for Juliana Stratton number one, but number two, and
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Speaker 1: maybe in the near term the bigger winner might be JB. Pritzker,
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Speaker 1: the governor of Illinois. I think those of us I'm
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Speaker 1: somebody who's you know, I wasn't sure. I didn't have
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Speaker 1: him in my top tier of twenty twenty eight ers.
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Speaker 1: Let's just say, you know, I'm paying a lot more
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Speaker 1: respect than to him now, and I see him as
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Speaker 1: I think, you know, you're the governor you're able to
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Speaker 1: take on You're a billionaire governor, and you're able to
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Speaker 1: take on these huge super packs from the crypto industry
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Speaker 1: and from the tech and AI industries, and you're able
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Speaker 1: to win. Although in this case, I think it was
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Speaker 1: really more of the crypto folks that he was taking
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Speaker 1: on more than anybody else. It says something, and I
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Speaker 1: certainly have and I want to get to that in
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Speaker 1: a minute. But I want to tackle this issue of
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Speaker 1: money in politics because it's all kind of tied in
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Speaker 1: together a little bit. And let's just say, for years
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Speaker 1: I didn't spend a lot of time on the issue
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Speaker 1: of campaign finance and money and politics, not because I
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Speaker 1: didn't think it was a problem. I just never really
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Speaker 1: believed it would ever really become a big issue in
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Speaker 1: American politics. Even as you hear, as I'll hear plenty
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Speaker 1: of sort of you know, non professional in this space.
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Speaker 1: I E. Voters, I E. Those that pay attention going,
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Speaker 1: we've got to do something about money in politics, because
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Speaker 1: I was a skeptic when that there was any reform
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Speaker 1: that was even possible, that there was no curbing of money,
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Speaker 1: and it wasn't because I thought the system was healthy,
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Speaker 1: quite the opposite. I just assumed the problem was unbeatable.
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Speaker 1: It was too adaptive, it was too clever, if you will,
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Speaker 1: And I had this working assumption. I used to do
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Speaker 1: this all the time. I'd quote Jeff Goldbloom's character in
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Speaker 1: Jurassic Park when the old man reassures the scientists that
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Speaker 1: he brings to show off his dinosaurs. Oh no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: they're not going to pro create. I've been able to
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Speaker 1: manipulate their DNA so that they can't pro create. And
5:43
Speaker 1: Goldblum's characters, you know, he's the guy who I guess
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Speaker 1: promotes chaos theory and mathematics, and he basically says life
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Speaker 1: finds a way and he turns out to be right. Well,
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Speaker 1: I've always felt that way about money in politics, right,
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Speaker 1: Money always finds a way. You try public financing, it
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Speaker 1: gets outgrown, you try to cap contribution. Well, then you
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Speaker 1: get bundling, which sort of a work around every reform
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Speaker 1: in in my adult lifetime, in franctly, my entire lifetime
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Speaker 1: has been has been turned against itself. Right, you ban
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Speaker 1: soft money from the major parties, then that money moves
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Speaker 1: outside the parties and you say, have less of an
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Speaker 1: opportunity to keep control of your of your party. Mcain
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Speaker 1: fine Gold was supposed to clean things up, and instead
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Speaker 1: it helped create the modern superPAC system that is absolutely
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Speaker 1: destructive to the political campaign system as we know it.
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Speaker 1: Every single reform I've seen tried created a workaround that
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Speaker 1: became made the problem worse. So you get to the
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Speaker 1: point you're like, well, just go find your you know.
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Speaker 1: And you saw there was no neither party would ever
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Speaker 1: have a permanent advantage on money, you know, because that's
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Speaker 1: the way markets work, right, When one one side's up,
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Speaker 1: the other side finds it finds disgruntled rich people to
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Speaker 1: help them, right, And and so there was an uneasy
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Speaker 1: balance that you would see in this, and so you thought, well,
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Speaker 1: at least it's fair, it's ugly, it's gross, but at
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Speaker 1: least it's balanced between the two parties over time. So
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Speaker 1: it was going to be messy, it was going to
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Speaker 1: be imperfect, but ultimately it was probably unfixable, especially once
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Speaker 1: the courts decided that money was speech, so then you
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Speaker 1: had to have a constitutional moment, and what the hell
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Speaker 1: would that constitutional moment look like? But I do think
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Speaker 1: we missed something along the way, because when we pushed
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Speaker 1: big donors out of the parties, this was a I
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Speaker 1: think this, you know, I have you know, McCain fine gold.
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Speaker 1: And there were plenty of detractors of McCain fine gold
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Speaker 1: because they just simply wanted more big money in politics.
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Speaker 1: But there were other detractors of McCain fine gold who
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Speaker 1: worried it would weaken them two political parties. And I
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Speaker 1: think those folks have proven to be right. And let
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Speaker 1: me explain, we didn't just move money when we got
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Speaker 1: rid of money big money checks being written to political
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Speaker 1: parties directly, he actually removed one of the only guard
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Speaker 1: rails in vetting candidates that we had. When you take
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Speaker 1: the parties out of the candidate vetting business, and you
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Speaker 1: do this when you no longer allow them to have
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Speaker 1: the financial resources to help candidates win, then you had
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Speaker 1: real consequences to what kinds of candidates would suddenly pop
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Speaker 1: up for all of their flaws, And there were plenty
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Speaker 1: with the party organizations. They did serve a kind as
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Speaker 1: kind of a filter. Wasn't a perfect filter and wasn't
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Speaker 1: always a fair filter, but they would ask basic questions
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Speaker 1: like is this person stable? Do they have good judgment?
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Speaker 1: Can they handle power? Can they handle stress? Sometimes just
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Speaker 1: the basic vetting process and an HR department would have
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Speaker 1: And because that's where you had to get your resources
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Speaker 1: and your money, you as the candidate sort of where
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Speaker 1: you kind of you had to apply to the parties,
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Speaker 1: if you will, unofficially, and the parties had a stake
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Speaker 1: in the long term health of the coalition and they
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Speaker 1: couldn't just get behind somebody that could win now if
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Speaker 1: they thought that person's reputation could end up harming the
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Speaker 1: overall reputation of the party itself. But now well, that
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Speaker 1: function has been entirely outsourced, and it's been outsourced to
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Speaker 1: donor networks, to ideological entrepreneurs, to outside groups, and those
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Speaker 1: actors aren't asking the same questions that leaders of the
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Speaker 1: two actual political parties used to ask of their candidates.
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Speaker 1: They don't ask is this person fit? They're asking can
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Speaker 1: this person win? And will this person be useful, useful
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Speaker 1: to fund, useful to protect useful to stop something. They
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Speaker 1: have their own incentive. They're looking for somebody that aligns
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Speaker 1: with them on a specific issue, specific topic of issue focus. Right,
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Speaker 1: So that then Trump's character it, Trump's ethics, Trump's morals,
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Speaker 1: and Trump branding. Right. It's a completely different screening mechanism
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Speaker 1: and it produces a completely different kind of politics. Then
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Speaker 1: you lay around Citizens United, and now the system isn't
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Speaker 1: just adaptive, it's protected. Political spending becomes speech, and suddenly
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Speaker 1: meaningful restrictions are almost impossible without a constitutional fight. So
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Speaker 1: for a long time I thought this is it, this
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Speaker 1: is the system, until recently that is because something has changed.
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Speaker 1: Are there's always a tipping point, right, there's always, you know,
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Speaker 1: everything in moderation, But eventually you're not moderating your habits.
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Speaker 1: You've tipped. So let me give you a moment where
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Speaker 1: I clicked for me. And I keep coming back to
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Speaker 1: this and I bring it up in a lot of
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Speaker 1: my appearances now and I'm going to continue to do so.
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Speaker 1: When Chuck Schumer reportedly told fellow Democratic senators to ease
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Speaker 1: up on their opposition to the crypto industry, not because
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Speaker 1: they changed their minds and they saw that crypto was
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Speaker 1: going to be this incredible. Maybe this would be a
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Speaker 1: helpful tool in the financial sector. But because of the
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Speaker 1: political firepower of a singular super called fair shake, these
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Speaker 1: were huge players in Illinois, and by the way, they
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Speaker 1: get their ass kecked in Illinois, they did not have
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Speaker 1: a good night. For what it's worth, But think about that,
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Speaker 1: elected officials being told to soften their positions on a
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Speaker 1: specific issue because an industry simply has too much money
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Speaker 1: to challenge them. That's not influence, that's not persuasion, that's coersion.
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Speaker 1: It's policy extortion. And once you see that clearly, then
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Speaker 1: all the stuff starts to look differently because what we're
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Speaker 1: dealing with now is not just a lot of money
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Speaker 1: in politics. It is something bigger. It's the shift from
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Speaker 1: candidate centered politics to donor centered politics. And this is
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Speaker 1: what was so crystal clear about all of the Illinois
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Speaker 1: primaries that happened earlier this week. And it wasn't just
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Speaker 1: in the Senate race. It was also in these house
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Speaker 1: races where every single candidate came with a descriptor that
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Speaker 1: said the fairshake back candidate, the AI back candidate, the
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Speaker 1: A packed back candidate, this back candidate. Right, it was
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Speaker 1: never just about the candidate, even in Juliana Stratton's case,
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Speaker 1: who didn't have one big industry behind her, she had
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Speaker 1: a big billionaire governor behind her. She was Governor Pritzker's candidate, right,
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Speaker 1: But it was not about the candidates. It was about
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Speaker 1: their supporters, about the donors. So now there was a
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Speaker 1: specific reason why Illinois became kind of ground zero for
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Speaker 1: this moment. Right. It's a very blue state, and they
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Speaker 1: had a bunch of elderly members of Congress who finally
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Speaker 1: decided to retire, the big one being Dick Durbin. Right,
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Speaker 1: you got elected in ninety six. You know, by the way,
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Speaker 1: for what it's worth, I think if you were elected
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Speaker 1: to office in the twentieth century, you probably shouldn't be
12:39
Speaker 1: seeking reelection in twenty six. And if you do, don't
12:42
Speaker 1: be surprised if you get primaried and you have a problem.
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Speaker 1: But I digress. So Dick Durbin retires, there's an open seat,
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Speaker 1: deep blue state, which means the primary becomes the election
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Speaker 1: and it's not just an election for six years. Dick
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Speaker 1: Derbin got elected in ninety six and was there for
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Speaker 1: thirty years, worked his way up in the leadership number
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Speaker 1: two in leadership. So this is a very I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's what you're investing in. You're not just investing in
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Speaker 1: one six year term. You're potentially investing in one of
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Speaker 1: the next leaders of the United States Senate over a generation.
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Speaker 1: So if you're you've got interest before Congress, this is
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Speaker 1: a valuable asset to acquire, i e. Having a senator
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Speaker 1: that may feel beholden to your industry. So if you're
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Speaker 1: that interest group and you think you can influence this primary,
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Speaker 1: you may be buying influence for a generation. So what
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Speaker 1: did voters get? Though? They didn't get a traditional campaign,
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Speaker 1: They didn't get a real debate between the candidates. You know,
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Speaker 1: in fact, if you didn't have one of these things yet,
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Speaker 1: it was really hard for the candidates. I never felt
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Speaker 1: like I got to know the candidates. I only knew
13:50
Speaker 1: them through their donors and through who their supporters were.
13:53
Speaker 1: And it turned into a proxy war. Right. You had
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Speaker 1: crypto money, AI money, a pack link money, billionaire money,
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Speaker 1: governor money front group, shell acts, you name it. By
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Speaker 1: the end of it, voters knew what these interests wanted, perhaps,
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Speaker 1: but that they really know what kind of candidate they
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Speaker 1: were getting. Now, I think in Stratton. She found a
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Speaker 1: way to break through, interestingly enough, because she went viral
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Speaker 1: with an ad that didn't air on mainstream television because
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Speaker 1: you'd had to bleep it out too much. But it
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Speaker 1: was the F Trump at and if you haven't seen it,
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Speaker 1: I encourage you to go see it. During our livestream,
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Speaker 1: we aired a vision of it, but it's just a
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Speaker 1: whole bunch of voters saying F Trump, and then Stratton says,
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it, but it was her way of
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Speaker 1: basically virtue signaling, Hey, she's going to be a fighter.
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Speaker 1: She wants to punch the bully in the nose. And
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Speaker 1: I think it mattered. It also mattered that the governor,
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Speaker 1: I think is popular with rank and filed Democrats because
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Speaker 1: he's been fighting Trump and he's been you know what,
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Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom has gotten a lot more credit for arguably
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Speaker 1: Pritzker's been doing before. Newsom thought it was a cool
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Speaker 1: way to do. But we still had something odd take
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Speaker 1: place this week in Illinois in that voters again I think,
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Speaker 1: ended up having to to select candidates based on what
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Speaker 1: third party groups create. The character of third party groups
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Speaker 1: were created by them, So they were watching messages written
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Speaker 1: by people who may never actually have been on the
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Speaker 1: ballot and will never be on the ballot. And here's
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Speaker 1: the part that should bother everyone. These outside groups, they
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Speaker 1: often don't even campaign on the issue they actually care about.
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Speaker 1: A crypto group may never mention Crypto, an AI group
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Speaker 1: may never mention AI entirely. An Israel focused group may
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Speaker 1: decide that's too politically complicated to lead with. So what
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Speaker 1: do they do. They find another issue, immigration, crime, corruption, ideology,
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Speaker 1: and they use that as the delivery system. So voters
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Speaker 1: think they're watching one debate when they're actually being moved
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Speaker 1: onto another. And that's not persuasion. That becomes misdirection, right,
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Speaker 1: And the candidates don't really feel accountable to it because
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Speaker 1: in some ways they can't control these outside groups, and
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Speaker 1: on terrain. They didn't choose answering for messages. They didn't right,
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Speaker 1: the problem. And this is where the loss of party
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Speaker 1: control I think matters a lot, because parties used to
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Speaker 1: have to think about the entire electorate, the whole coalition,
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Speaker 1: long term consequences. Now we didn't just decentralize money, we
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Speaker 1: decentralized responsibility, and we hollowed out the institutions that had
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Speaker 1: to care about more than one donor's obsession, which brings
18:25
Speaker 1: us to the core problem inanimity. If you want to
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Speaker 1: vote in secret, you should. The secret ballot is sacred.
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Speaker 1: That's a fundamental right. But if you want to spend
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Speaker 1: millions influencing everyone else's vote, sorry, you don't deserve secrecy.
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Speaker 1: You need to put your name on it immediately, not
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Speaker 1: on some tax reform through a LLC six months later,
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Speaker 1: in real time, in plain English. No shell companies, no
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Speaker 1: front groups, no hiding three layers deep, stand by your money.
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Speaker 1: In fact, let me make it simple, take a page
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Speaker 1: from NASCAR. If you want to spend big money in politics,
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Speaker 1: but the donor on the hood every ad, every mail,
19:10
Speaker 1: or every digital buy, because that's the tradeoff. Influence comes
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Speaker 1: with visibility. You want to have influence, everybody needs to
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Speaker 1: know it with her democracy. It's on the ballot and
19:21
Speaker 1: it needs to be put on the ballot now. Even
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Speaker 1: if that doesn't solve the whole problem, because the deeper
19:25
Speaker 1: issue is what this system does to candidates. It doesn't
19:29
Speaker 1: just reward certain positions, it punishes others. So candidates learn,
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Speaker 1: They learn what fights are too expensive, like crypto apparently,
19:36
Speaker 1: so they soften, they go quiet, they delay, or they
19:38
Speaker 1: stand down entirely not because they've been persuaded, but because
19:41
Speaker 1: they understand the cost that comes with dissent, which in
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Speaker 1: some ways is what they crypto. I mean, this is
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Speaker 1: what they've done. They've amassed such a financial juggernaut and
19:52
Speaker 1: fair shape that they just want to intimidate politicians into
19:59
Speaker 1: legalizing what is a questionable what many people find questionable
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Speaker 1: in its usefulness. But once that happens, the problem isn't
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Speaker 1: just money in politics. It's that money is defining the
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Speaker 1: boundaries of politics. What can be said, what can't be said,
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Speaker 1: what gets debated, what gets avoided. And here's the thing,
20:19
Speaker 1: this is no longer just a left wing complaint. I'm
20:22
Speaker 1: now hearing it from Republicans, free market conservatives, people with
20:26
Speaker 1: their own scars from dark money, starting to say this
20:29
Speaker 1: out loud. And that's new. And this is why I
20:32
Speaker 1: think why we might have hit a tipping point where
20:34
Speaker 1: maybe the public is ready to do something about it,
20:37
Speaker 1: and maybe the politicians are going to grow a spine
20:40
Speaker 1: and do something about it, because the scale here is undeniable.
20:44
Speaker 1: Not that long ago, billionaire money was a rounding error.
20:46
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding. I mean you've seen it. It was barely
20:48
Speaker 1: one percent of campaign money came from billionaires pre Citizens United.
20:53
Speaker 1: Now it's approaching one out of every five dollars spent
20:57
Speaker 1: on federal campaigns comes from a billionaire. We are moving
21:01
Speaker 1: towards something new, but it looks like institutionalized billionaire politics, right,
21:09
Speaker 1: a political gilded age. Now, to be clear, this doesn't
21:13
Speaker 1: mean every candidate backed by wealthy interest is corrupt. American
21:17
Speaker 1: politics has always had patrons, but the structure of it matters, right,
21:21
Speaker 1: And the structure we have now encourages voters to believe
21:23
Speaker 1: candidates are simply stand ins for their donors, and that
21:28
Speaker 1: perception alone is what is so corrosive, and it creates
21:31
Speaker 1: a barrier to entry that should worry all of us.
21:34
Speaker 1: We got rid of poll taxes for a reason. You
21:37
Speaker 1: can't charge people for access to a constitutional right. But
21:40
Speaker 1: we've built something similar on the candidate side. A system
21:43
Speaker 1: we're running for office seriously requires access to wealth, patrons
21:48
Speaker 1: or donor networks. That's a shadow tax on a candidacy. Now,
21:55
Speaker 1: candidates will tell you fairly that they didn't write these rules,
21:57
Speaker 1: and they're right, they didn't. Can be rational for the
22:01
Speaker 1: participants and still be unacceptable for the public, and this
22:04
Speaker 1: is where we're at. The reforms aren't mysterious, real time disclosure,
22:09
Speaker 1: no anonymous money, clear donor identification. Maybe some structural fixes
22:14
Speaker 1: like runoffs or ranked choice voting won't fix everything, but
22:17
Speaker 1: it will store one basic idea that voters should know
22:20
Speaker 1: who is trying to persuade them and why, because in
22:23
Speaker 1: many cases it's not the candidates that are trying to
22:25
Speaker 1: persuade voters anymore. It's some anonymous donor who's funding that candidate.
22:33
Speaker 1: So the danger now isn't that money influences outcomes. It's
22:36
Speaker 1: that it defines the menu of choices itself, like you
22:42
Speaker 1: don't even know there's an alternative because it doesn't have
22:45
Speaker 1: the funding to present itself on your menu of options before.
22:49
Speaker 1: It's like what happens in Iran? Right? You know, yes,
22:52
Speaker 1: it's a democracy, but the regime decides who gets to
22:55
Speaker 1: be on the ballot. So is it really a choice
22:58
Speaker 1: in anybody that is, you know, any presential candidate that's
23:00
Speaker 1: calling for actual, small de democratic reform, they somehow don't
23:03
Speaker 1: make the ballot. That's essentially what we're seeing here, donors
23:07
Speaker 1: deciding who's viable, who's not, what's debated, and what gets dropped.
23:12
Speaker 1: That's how democracy gets reshaped into a kleptocracy quietly before
23:17
Speaker 1: a single vote has even cast. And that's why this
23:19
Speaker 1: has finally potentially become a voting issue, not because reform
23:23
Speaker 1: is easy, but because voters are starting to see the
23:25
Speaker 1: system for what it is. In Illinois. It's not the exception.
23:30
Speaker 1: It's just a warning. And it's interesting because Illinois features
23:35
Speaker 1: a billionaire governor, a billionaire governor who's tried to fight
23:40
Speaker 1: the some of these other billionaires. And you know, this
23:45
Speaker 1: feeds into a notion. And this is why I think
23:48
Speaker 1: that you know, hey, look we're going to look on
23:52
Speaker 1: one primary does not make a presidential candidate, but it
23:55
Speaker 1: is a data point that matters. And you know, the
24:02
Speaker 1: f Trump at it's possible that you have a group
24:07
Speaker 1: of Democrats who say, well, this system is so rigged
24:11
Speaker 1: that maybe they've got to find their billionaire to fight
24:17
Speaker 1: the other billionaires. And I'm not just making this up.
24:20
Speaker 1: One of you was my substact reader, made a comment
24:26
Speaker 1: on my substack column that was on the that was
24:29
Speaker 1: similarly themed here, and I just want to read you
24:34
Speaker 1: to hand in hand here because I think it. I
24:36
Speaker 1: think it's a it's illustrative of where I think there
24:39
Speaker 1: is a faction of the Democratic Party. And I've, like
24:42
Speaker 1: I said, I've heard other at a progressive consultant tell
24:44
Speaker 1: me I'm looking for my own Trump right anyway, let
24:47
Speaker 1: me read you to what one of my commenters too
24:49
Speaker 1: on substack said, this is the most terrifying thing I've
24:52
Speaker 1: read in a while, and I read a lot of
24:53
Speaker 1: AI doomsday articles. What do we do about it? Writing
24:56
Speaker 1: or calling your congress person feels inadequate. I've known campaign
24:59
Speaker 1: find answer was a problem for a long time, but
25:01
Speaker 1: it feels like the only way to change it is
25:03
Speaker 1: to become a billionaire, win elections and then fight the
25:05
Speaker 1: other billionaires. What do normal citizens do short of pulling
25:08
Speaker 1: out the guillotines? This was just a simple question to him,
25:11
Speaker 1: And what I want to say to Ryan asked who
25:13
Speaker 1: wrote this in is you may need to You may
25:17
Speaker 1: need to show your guillotine. I'm not saying you use
25:20
Speaker 1: the guillotine, but you almost need to, Like it's like
25:23
Speaker 1: you walk t you walk quietly and carry a big
25:26
Speaker 1: stick like you're guillotine. You're your stick. Or maybe you
25:30
Speaker 1: hire a billionaire to do this right, And that's I
25:32
Speaker 1: think the JB. Pritzker pitch. Hey, I'm a billionaire. I
25:36
Speaker 1: know how these guys work, and in some ways it's
25:38
Speaker 1: the mirror image of how Trump convinced a frustrated Republican
25:42
Speaker 1: base that was tired of losing, tired of compromising, tired
25:45
Speaker 1: of the mccains and the Romneys of the world, and
25:47
Speaker 1: they wanted somebody who made them feel better and expressed
25:52
Speaker 1: what they thought they couldn't say anymore, right, and that
25:55
Speaker 1: was Donald Trump. Well that's what the Juliana Stratton f
25:59
Speaker 1: Trump ad. I think there's a there's it's somewhat analogous, right,
26:04
Speaker 1: there's a group of Democrats who are tired of the shit, right,
26:07
Speaker 1: and they're like, screw it, give me my own billionaire
26:09
Speaker 1: and let me punch this bully in the house. And
26:12
Speaker 1: Pritzker has been playing this role for quite some time.
26:14
Speaker 1: And you know, I've been skeptical that the answer to
26:18
Speaker 1: the Trump eras for Democrats to go find their own billionaire. Right.
26:21
Speaker 1: This is why I've been a little skeptical of the
26:22
Speaker 1: Mark Cuban idea, a little skeptical of the Pritzker idea.
26:26
Speaker 1: But watching it in action and you seeing how much
26:30
Speaker 1: money and how big these entities are. You know, it
26:34
Speaker 1: took a rich guy named Teddy Roosevelt to take on
26:37
Speaker 1: the big rich guys, right, it took a rich guy
26:40
Speaker 1: in FDR to build the social safety net for the
26:43
Speaker 1: working class. It was a rich guy that working class
26:47
Speaker 1: America the last ten years has turned to or want
26:50
Speaker 1: to be rich guy, depending on your point of view
26:51
Speaker 1: of when Trump actually acquired actual wealth. But it doesn't matter.
26:55
Speaker 1: Perceive Perception is reality in this case. And so I
27:02
Speaker 1: know this, like you know, I always remind people I
27:04
Speaker 1: cover politics as as it is, not as I wish
27:06
Speaker 1: it were. I'm not sure this is a good long
27:08
Speaker 1: term solution for where we're headed as a country. But
27:12
Speaker 1: I also it's possible. This is a this is something,
27:16
Speaker 1: this is something that has to be tried first before
27:19
Speaker 1: the next thing gets tried, right, And if you you know,
27:21
Speaker 1: I always like to put my shove in the shoes
27:23
Speaker 1: of somebody fifty years from now looking back on this
27:26
Speaker 1: era we're living through, and how will they see it,
27:28
Speaker 1: what will it look like? And you know, you know,
27:34
Speaker 1: I have a theory that we're we're going to We're
27:37
Speaker 1: probably going to have two or three more one term
27:38
Speaker 1: presidents before we have a president that's able to sort
27:42
Speaker 1: of solidify the country enough to earn a second term.
27:45
Speaker 1: And that's when you know, we'll have turned the page
27:47
Speaker 1: on this era until we get there. So we've had
27:50
Speaker 1: three in a row. You know, we didn't. We went
27:52
Speaker 1: through the entire twentieth century without three one term presidents
27:54
Speaker 1: in a row. So I kind of think we're you
27:58
Speaker 1: got to go through these stages, right, and so you know,
28:01
Speaker 1: you could see this right if if down the road
28:03
Speaker 1: we get you know, the next Eisenhower becomes president, say
28:05
Speaker 1: in twenty thirty six, but we have a one term
28:08
Speaker 1: president in twenty eight, a one term president in thirty two,
28:11
Speaker 1: et cetera. Like okay, what you know, what what will
28:13
Speaker 1: the explanation be? And it will be something like, well,
28:17
Speaker 1: you know, the frustrated Americans they kept they kept voting,
28:21
Speaker 1: you know, they kept looking for something different and they
28:23
Speaker 1: didn't like it, and they voted out. You know, the Democrats,
28:25
Speaker 1: they tried the conciliator candidate in Biden and that didn't work.
28:29
Speaker 1: Then they tried you know, if they go with the
28:33
Speaker 1: A Pritzker, let's say, then it was oh, they tried
28:35
Speaker 1: the fighter, the billionaire fighter to fight back and that
28:38
Speaker 1: didn't work in the Culture War, and then you know
28:40
Speaker 1: who knows, So you know it is it's possible. We're
28:45
Speaker 1: just in a this is the next step, you know,
28:48
Speaker 1: before you get to whatever the whatever the solution is,
28:52
Speaker 1: or maybe this turns out to be the solution, or
28:53
Speaker 1: maybe a leader sort of morphs into something bigger and
28:57
Speaker 1: is able to rise above in a moment. You know. Well,
29:00
Speaker 1: that's that's what we do. We find out sometimes after
29:04
Speaker 1: we elect these presidents whether they're actually up to the job.
29:07
Speaker 1: We never, let's be honest, we're never quite sure these
29:09
Speaker 1: folks are up to the job until after they take office.
29:12
Speaker 1: There's a lot of skepticism about Bill Clinton, and then
29:14
Speaker 1: after a while you understood why he was there. Uh
29:17
Speaker 1: did it with w did it with Obama? You know,
29:19
Speaker 1: there's always a moment where these people fill the suit, right,
29:22
Speaker 1: and you just sort of see it, you know. I
29:25
Speaker 1: think Biden always struggled to fill the suit. I think Trump,
29:28
Speaker 1: you know, is always acting. He's always playing a role,
29:32
Speaker 1: so he struggles to fill the suit because it's never
29:35
Speaker 1: a full it's never quite quite what he is. It's
29:39
Speaker 1: always a performance of some sort. You just have to
29:43
Speaker 1: figure out what that performance is at any given time.
29:47
Speaker 1: So it's uh, I'm always careful. I don't want to
29:52
Speaker 1: be definitive here. Right. We had one primary where the
29:56
Speaker 1: candidate who was preaching love instead of a fighter one
30:00
Speaker 1: in Texas. Now this one we got the fighter, the
30:03
Speaker 1: F Trump candidate. Right. By the way, every time I
30:06
Speaker 1: say F Trump, I'm channeling my old Chris Matthews. He'll
30:09
Speaker 1: be saying, are you saying F troop? You know some
30:11
Speaker 1: old TV show back in the sixties. So for some
30:13
Speaker 1: of my older viewers and listeners, that was a shout
30:15
Speaker 1: out for F troop. Now I'm not saying F troop
30:18
Speaker 1: when I say the F Trump had. So you know,
30:22
Speaker 1: two data points does not make a trend, but it's
30:25
Speaker 1: an intriguing data point. It's something I'm not going to
30:29
Speaker 1: dismiss about Pritzker. And I think that Pritzker's proven to
30:32
Speaker 1: be politically savving his own state, so we should be
30:35
Speaker 1: taking him seriously as a presidential candidate. I wouldn't put
30:37
Speaker 1: him at the bottom of the top tier anymore. I'd
30:39
Speaker 1: be putting him smack dab in the in the contender
30:41
Speaker 1: section of this. As we go forward, all right, Like
30:47
Speaker 1: I said, coming up my conversation with somebody who leads
30:51
Speaker 1: one of these super packs that I'm talking about, and
30:53
Speaker 1: we get into whether this is a healthy system and
30:56
Speaker 1: what should be and Rad Carson, longtime Oklahoma Democrat, also
31:00
Speaker 1: gives his prescription of how Democrats could to could improve
31:06
Speaker 1: their brand in red states like Oklahoma and elsewhere. So
31:12
Speaker 1: I think you'll find the conversation interesting, provocative and enlightening.
31:17
Speaker 1: And with that, let's sneak in a break and when
31:19
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33:09
Speaker 1: to your podcast after hearing you on Jim and Marjorie
33:11
Speaker 1: Show and have not missed an episode since. Oh I'm
33:15
Speaker 1: glad to hear that Jim and Marjorie are fantastic. They
33:17
Speaker 1: have a terrific daily program on BPR. Up there, Boston
33:22
Speaker 1: Public Radio, and they're two of my favorite people. I
33:28
Speaker 1: just adore them and it is probably my favorite guest
33:32
Speaker 1: appearance I make on anything I do. It's just a
33:36
Speaker 1: total joy with them, So thank you for giving them
33:40
Speaker 1: a shout out. You continue. I devour the commentaries as
33:44
Speaker 1: soon as they drop and then save the interviews for
33:46
Speaker 1: the weekend. So excellent. My niece has just graduated from
33:48
Speaker 1: journalism school and is moving to DC to start her
33:50
Speaker 1: career in the world of political journalism. I was thinking
33:52
Speaker 1: of getting our membership at the National Press Club as
33:54
Speaker 1: a graduation. Get is that still where the center of
33:56
Speaker 1: gravity is for the DC press these days? Thanks Bill,
33:59
Speaker 1: and Boston actually isn't a National Press Club? Is really
34:04
Speaker 1: it's really a PR mechanism. Now more public relations firms
34:08
Speaker 1: are members of the Press Club than actual journalists associations.
34:12
Speaker 1: It's still an if you're an international journalist, the Press
34:15
Speaker 1: Club is a helpful tool, but it does not play
34:19
Speaker 1: the role it once did, and it's interesting I might suggest,
34:29
Speaker 1: I know this sounds I might suggest just getting her
34:35
Speaker 1: a subscription to like punch Bowl, right, and some one
34:39
Speaker 1: of these insider newsletters that you really need to know,
34:44
Speaker 1: you know, that can really help drive you know, on
34:47
Speaker 1: Congress that's punch Bowl, and that's not a cheap publication,
34:50
Speaker 1: but you know, the DC publication world right, whether it's
34:55
Speaker 1: your subscription, and it really is punchable for Congress. You know,
35:01
Speaker 1: this is what gets really expensive in the world of journalism,
35:04
Speaker 1: is being able to keep track of everybody else's work,
35:06
Speaker 1: whether it's the Punch Bowl, Wall Street Journal, Politico, Axios.
35:13
Speaker 1: None of this stuff is free, and in many cases
35:16
Speaker 1: it's exuberant, it's uber expensive. But I think back on
35:21
Speaker 1: what I needed as subscription to my old stomping grounds,
35:24
Speaker 1: the Hotline. You know, if you did punch Bowl, Wall
35:28
Speaker 1: Street Journal, Politico in the Hotline, that's probably what a
35:32
Speaker 1: membership to the National Press Club would cost. And I
35:36
Speaker 1: would dare say those publications if your niece doesn't end
35:40
Speaker 1: up working at one of them, and she may end up,
35:43
Speaker 1: and yes, over time, if one of the not every
35:46
Speaker 1: news organization, we'll spring for some of these subscriptions. So
35:52
Speaker 1: anyway that I'm just thinking out loud, but that's probably
35:55
Speaker 1: you know, where I would begin to sort of engrace,
35:59
Speaker 1: you know, to have help somebody sort of get used
36:02
Speaker 1: to the rhythms of this town, you know, from an
36:05
Speaker 1: internal cultural sense, and that's where punch Bowl and Politico
36:08
Speaker 1: Playbook in particular come come in. And then with this
36:11
Speaker 1: particular White House axios in the Wall Street Journal, I
36:14
Speaker 1: think I have the best access to the to the
36:17
Speaker 1: west wing and have the probably the more consistent scoopages.
36:22
Speaker 1: You know, this is no disrespect to the times in
36:24
Speaker 1: the Post, but in this case, the times in the
36:28
Speaker 1: Post are a bit cheaper, and one could argue she could,
36:32
Speaker 1: she could, she could pay for those. Those other ones
36:36
Speaker 1: are a little price here, So just a thought anyway.
36:38
Speaker 1: I hope that helps, Bill, and congratulations and you know
36:42
Speaker 1: I at some point we're going to be hiring interns
36:44
Speaker 1: here at the Check Podcast, but we haven't fully fully
36:48
Speaker 1: expanded there for now. Next up is Howard W. From
36:51
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. Any rates, when the Declaration of Independence was signed,
36:54
Speaker 1: were we a country or thirteen colonies? Didn't we actually
36:57
Speaker 1: become a country when the articles of confederation right fight
37:00
Speaker 1: in seventeen eighty one. That is a fair point, right,
37:04
Speaker 1: We we declared our independence and then we didn't really
37:07
Speaker 1: and we sort of formed an army, and you know,
37:10
Speaker 1: there was a coalition and it was I guess you
37:14
Speaker 1: could call it a a you know, a coalition of
37:17
Speaker 1: the willing, but it's a it's man, why do you
37:24
Speaker 1: want to mess up a good myth? Right? Are you
37:25
Speaker 1: telling us we have to put off the two hundred
37:27
Speaker 1: and fiftieth birthday for at least another six years? But
37:31
Speaker 1: it's a and we certainly have only been a constitutional republic,
37:36
Speaker 1: I guess is probably since since seventeen eighty one, so
37:40
Speaker 1: the first time we attempted a constitution. But hey, that's
37:45
Speaker 1: a that's a that's a that's a fair it's a
37:48
Speaker 1: fair argument. So I had a little fun. You'll appreciate this.
37:53
Speaker 1: So I decided to tap. I typed your question into
37:57
Speaker 1: chat gpt to see what our AI would say, When
38:01
Speaker 1: did America become an actual country? So here's the response
38:04
Speaker 1: that chat ChiPT gave and he goes, well, that depends
38:07
Speaker 1: on what you mean by become a country, because the
38:09
Speaker 1: United States didn't flip a switch over nine. It emerged
38:11
Speaker 1: in stages and each one answers your question a little differently.
38:14
Speaker 1: So the declaration of independence, chat chipet caused a symbolic
38:19
Speaker 1: birth the thirteen Colony simply declared themselves independent from Great Britain.
38:27
Speaker 1: So there's that. Seventeen eighty three the Treaty of Paris,
38:31
Speaker 1: So this is when the international world recognized America as
38:34
Speaker 1: a country. The Treaty of Paris officially ended the war.
38:37
Speaker 1: Britain had to formally recognize the United States as a
38:39
Speaker 1: sovereign nation, and then other countries would acknowledge the existence
38:43
Speaker 1: of the United States. So they argue that the legal
38:48
Speaker 1: recognition recognized moment then would be seventeen eighty three, seventeen
38:53
Speaker 1: eighty nine, our Constitution takes effect, so you know, and
38:57
Speaker 1: you can then make your argument about the articles iteration
39:00
Speaker 1: and that that being so, there you go, And arguably
39:09
Speaker 1: we still have to wait until we may have to.
39:15
Speaker 1: The two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the Constitutional Republic
39:21
Speaker 1: would be the next decade, and so our two hundred
39:24
Speaker 1: and fiftieth celebration for the Constitution I assume we'll all
39:29
Speaker 1: be centered around Philadelphia in twenty thirty nine. So make
39:35
Speaker 1: your reservations now. All right, that was a fun little exercise,
39:39
Speaker 1: and I love the provocative question. See, how are these
39:43
Speaker 1: are my listeners? This is what I expect I expect
39:47
Speaker 1: this kind of this kind of nuance in details, So
39:50
Speaker 1: thank you. Next question comes from Brad Chuck. Greetings from
39:53
Speaker 1: Grand Rapids in Michigan's third District, and thanks for the
39:57
Speaker 1: great podcast. You often say citizens should reach out to
39:59
Speaker 1: their representatives, But what if you're a member of Congress
40:01
Speaker 1: like my representative Hillary Schulton and Michigan senators already share
40:05
Speaker 1: your concerns. Is it still worthwhile to contact them just
40:08
Speaker 1: to reinforce support, encourage them to push even harder in Washington?
40:11
Speaker 1: How much influence do constituents really have when they're asking
40:14
Speaker 1: leaders who already agree with them to do more. I
40:17
Speaker 1: think it's more of the tactical. You know, it's interesting.
40:19
Speaker 1: I am one of the fun pleasures I have in teaching.
40:23
Speaker 1: As many of you know, I teach a class called
40:26
Speaker 1: how Washington Works for USC and it's their DC program
40:31
Speaker 1: USC University of Southern California, and I to be confused
40:33
Speaker 1: with my friends in Columbia, South Carolina who believe the
40:36
Speaker 1: University of South Carolina is the original USC as I
40:42
Speaker 1: like to say to them, have a more successful program
40:45
Speaker 1: and you can reclaim USC is yours. Sorry couldn't help myself,
40:51
Speaker 1: but about half the class is interning on the hill.
40:55
Speaker 1: And when you intern on the hill, what does that mean? Yeah,
40:57
Speaker 1: answer the phones. But answering the phones in a congressional
41:00
Speaker 1: office is fascinating, especially when you're a young intern, because
41:06
Speaker 1: usually it's calls from constituents, not always, you know, sometimes
41:11
Speaker 1: they're planned campaign sometimes they're genuine locals. But here's what
41:17
Speaker 1: I can tell you I've learned from these conversations I've
41:21
Speaker 1: had with these with with people that answer phones over
41:23
Speaker 1: the years. It's all offices want to keep track. They
41:25
Speaker 1: want to know what issues are coming up, what's being
41:29
Speaker 1: called in it because a lot of times it is
41:30
Speaker 1: an early warning system. All of a sudden, you get
41:32
Speaker 1: some there might be some local thing that's happening that
41:35
Speaker 1: the congressional office is getting a lot of calls on.
41:38
Speaker 1: It actually is something that a local mayor ought to
41:40
Speaker 1: deal with. Maybe it's something the mayor of Grand Rapids
41:42
Speaker 1: has to deal with, and they're able to say, hey,
41:44
Speaker 1: we're getting calls about this, are you aware of this? Right?
41:47
Speaker 1: So it can be just sort of an early warning system, right,
41:52
Speaker 1: But they but the members care and it's it's I
41:59
Speaker 1: think there's more power in numbers, right, But you don't
42:02
Speaker 1: want to look like you're manufacturing and you're reading from
42:04
Speaker 1: a script. So the point is is that sometimes it's
42:08
Speaker 1: not You may your representatives may support you generally, but
42:12
Speaker 1: are they doing something specifically? You know, you might you
42:16
Speaker 1: might want to say, how come you're not doing this?
42:19
Speaker 1: You know, I know you share the same concerns I
42:21
Speaker 1: do about X. So explain to me why you're not
42:25
Speaker 1: doing why. You know. Maybe let's say you're you're skeptical
42:29
Speaker 1: of this around war, Well, maybe you might want to
42:32
Speaker 1: encourage them. Look, don't just vote symbolically, know against funding
42:36
Speaker 1: this war. What are you going to do to actually
42:39
Speaker 1: try to bring this to an end? You know, maybe
42:42
Speaker 1: force an answer out of them, force a response out
42:45
Speaker 1: of them. But I you know, or you can call
42:48
Speaker 1: other you know, these these these members of Congress. You
42:58
Speaker 1: won't for some of them, you won't be is impactful,
43:00
Speaker 1: but they do log complaints that come in from constituents
43:05
Speaker 1: that don't live in their district or state and just say, look,
43:08
Speaker 1: I'm and you should be honest about it, and I'm
43:10
Speaker 1: calling you. You know, my senator's already believe in this,
43:12
Speaker 1: but I'm concerned, you know, and maybe find a way
43:15
Speaker 1: to connect with that senator. I you know, I thought
43:17
Speaker 1: Senator X really was worried about why so why aren't
43:20
Speaker 1: they also standing up on this issue? But there's all
43:27
Speaker 1: sorts of ways to I think, influence a senator that
43:32
Speaker 1: you think already shares some of your values. Maybe it's
43:35
Speaker 1: more in what are they doing about it? How are
43:37
Speaker 1: they expressing themselves? You know, it's one thing to share
43:39
Speaker 1: your concerns. It's another things to do some action. So
43:43
Speaker 1: that'd be another way to look at it. Next question
43:47
Speaker 1: comes from David and he writes, Chuck, I'm a twenty
43:48
Speaker 1: nine year old living in California now, but previously a
43:51
Speaker 1: federal worker in DC before being cut during last year's
43:53
Speaker 1: doze terminations. You've often mentioned Mississippi as a state to watch,
43:56
Speaker 1: even though most analysts don't see it as viable for Democrats.
43:58
Speaker 1: What can we learn from the Sippy primaries past Tuesday
44:01
Speaker 1: in terms of turnout, in enthusiasm, and do you see
44:03
Speaker 1: the same potential for competitiveness there that we've seen in
44:06
Speaker 1: southern races like Alabama in twenty seventeen, in Georgia in
44:08
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Well, look, I've had this Mississippi conversation with
44:12
Speaker 1: quite a few people, and I'm trying to remember recently.
44:17
Speaker 1: I feel like I can't remember if I did it
44:18
Speaker 1: in this podcast or it was a Newsfair episode, but
44:22
Speaker 1: when we talk about different states, or it may have been.
44:28
Speaker 1: It may have been a conversation I had with when
44:34
Speaker 1: I was moderating a panel up at Harvard in Jamie Harrison,
44:37
Speaker 1: who was the former DNC chair and candidate for office
44:39
Speaker 1: in South Carolina, and it was in this you know,
44:44
Speaker 1: the whole point of pointing out of Mississippi, for one thing,
44:47
Speaker 1: is is looking at what the electoral map could look
44:52
Speaker 1: like in twenty thirty two. When we have reapportionment in
44:55
Speaker 1: the electoral college, numbers shift again and the power continues
44:59
Speaker 1: to grow in the sun Beat and in the South.
45:01
Speaker 1: So Democrats have to make inroads in the sun Belt, right,
45:04
Speaker 1: You've got to make inroads where the people live. Texas
45:06
Speaker 1: and Florida are two obvious targets. They're big, they're huge,
45:08
Speaker 1: and they're very difficult. Georgia is a success story. It's
45:13
Speaker 1: an organizational success story. And the point is when you
45:16
Speaker 1: look at the population in Mississippi and you look at
45:21
Speaker 1: look at go look at those general election results, they're
45:23
Speaker 1: always you know, Sydney Hyde Smith versus Mike Esipe in
45:27
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen fifty four to forty six race, that's not
45:31
Speaker 1: a blowout. That does not mean Mississippi is not competitive.
45:34
Speaker 1: Tate Reeves and the Presley cousin was also somebody that
45:48
Speaker 1: was also one of the closest governor's races in thirty
45:50
Speaker 1: years or in the last twenty years. Excuse me, but
45:57
Speaker 1: what you have is an under investment in the state
45:59
Speaker 1: part and there's a there's an under voter, there's an
46:03
Speaker 1: under there's basically a lot of unregistered African American voters
46:08
Speaker 1: in Mississippi who've kind of given up on the system.
46:11
Speaker 1: It was a similar phenomenon in Alabama, and you had
46:16
Speaker 1: Doug Jones will tell you it was black women in
46:18
Speaker 1: particular that you know, helped organize for his campaign and
46:21
Speaker 1: that upset over Roy Moore. Now, there's nothing like having
46:25
Speaker 1: an opponent who's an accused pedophile in order to assist
46:28
Speaker 1: you in a in a very deeply religious state like Alabama.
46:32
Speaker 1: And I don't think we should we should overlook that
46:36
Speaker 1: factoid on that one success in Alabama. But Mississippi there's
46:40
Speaker 1: more consistent. You see it, right, there's a lower ceiling
46:44
Speaker 1: for Republicans than there is in an Alabama or but
46:50
Speaker 1: it's it's not a one cycle investment, right, And I
46:54
Speaker 1: think the problem, the difference between the Democrats and the
46:56
Speaker 1: Republicans in my adult lifetime is that Republicans have always
47:01
Speaker 1: taken a longer view in trying to flip a state
47:04
Speaker 1: and Democrats are always looking for a shortcut, and they've
47:08
Speaker 1: not take that longer. One of the few exceptions to
47:10
Speaker 1: the longer views has been Arizona in Georgia, and now
47:14
Speaker 1: that is paid necessary dividends, right, it's kept them in
47:17
Speaker 1: the game. Without Georgie and Arizona, the downfall of the
47:20
Speaker 1: Midwestern swing states and of Florida and Ohio in particular
47:25
Speaker 1: would be catastrophic for the party. But it's not because
47:28
Speaker 1: of a concerted twenty year effort to essentially get competitive
47:33
Speaker 1: in Georgia and Arizona. And you had look the losing
47:37
Speaker 1: Stacey Abrams campaigns did a lot, made a lot of
47:41
Speaker 1: progress for george Democrats, and that's what you need. You
47:45
Speaker 1: need somebody that sort of you know, makes progress in
47:51
Speaker 1: losing and sticks to it. And in Mississippi you've had
47:55
Speaker 1: too many examples of well funded singular campaign that have
48:00
Speaker 1: never sort of stayed engaged after they've lost, and until
48:05
Speaker 1: you do, that's that's the moment. But it's if you
48:08
Speaker 1: look at the population numbers and you look at the
48:10
Speaker 1: voter registration numbers, that's why you see. If you ever
48:14
Speaker 1: could maximize African American voter registration in Mississippi, you suddenly
48:18
Speaker 1: are in a different place competitively in that day. Next
48:32
Speaker 1: question comes from JR. JR. Rights. Hey, second time asker,
48:36
Speaker 1: Thanks again for taking questions. Virginia's led Governor Spamberger signature
48:39
Speaker 1: bringing the electoral vote count for it's triggering up to
48:42
Speaker 1: two twenty two, still a ways off from the required
48:43
Speaker 1: two to seventy. But what do you think the odds
48:45
Speaker 1: are that the MPV will gain momentum and get the
48:47
Speaker 1: requisite numbers to go into effect. Do you think Trump's
48:49
Speaker 1: popular vote win in twenty twenty four may jostle free
48:51
Speaker 1: some reticent red states to join. Thanks interesting in your
48:54
Speaker 1: thoughts on the MPV compact as a whole as well. Well. Look,
48:57
Speaker 1: I've i dug into the compact quite a bit about
49:00
Speaker 1: fifteen or twenty years ago when it first started up.
49:02
Speaker 1: The guy who founded the university of Phoenix was sort
49:05
Speaker 1: of the initial brainchild of this, by the way, for
49:07
Speaker 1: what it's worth, and this goes back to two thousand
49:10
Speaker 1: and three, two thousand and four, two thousand and five,
49:12
Speaker 1: memory serves, I have this vision. I remember packing my
49:16
Speaker 1: office at the Hotline to move to NBC, and I
49:18
Speaker 1: remember this guy's the voter Compact pamphlet wasn't a pamphlet.
49:23
Speaker 1: It was this massive if you remember the remember the
49:26
Speaker 1: old chain Kinkos, It was like a Kinko's put together
49:31
Speaker 1: book if you will, and I you know, just to
49:37
Speaker 1: if people are going to wonder how this works. So
49:39
Speaker 1: the idea is that states, would you know, which is
49:42
Speaker 1: do the thanks to the commerce clause reveralily where states
49:45
Speaker 1: will agree that if if there are that the minute
49:50
Speaker 1: there's enough states that add up to two hundred and
49:53
Speaker 1: seventy electoral votes, then the states agree that their lectoral
49:59
Speaker 1: votes will go to the winner of the popular vote.
50:06
Speaker 1: But it doesn't trigger until there are enough states that
50:09
Speaker 1: add up to two hundred and seventy electoral votes. And
50:14
Speaker 1: so it is, as you noted, we're up to two
50:17
Speaker 1: twenty two, so there's still there's still forty eight electoral
50:21
Speaker 1: votes away. I haven't seen the latest list of states,
50:25
Speaker 1: but I think a lot of the big states haven't
50:27
Speaker 1: done it yet, if I'm not mistaken, So I'm a
50:39
Speaker 1: skeptic that it will be accepted by the public. I
50:44
Speaker 1: think you would have. I mean, look at all of
50:46
Speaker 1: the rage you see among Nebraska Republicans Loan the loan
50:51
Speaker 1: electoral vote that continues to nag at Republicans right with
50:59
Speaker 1: oma sort of almost no consistently voting voting against the
51:05
Speaker 1: state's interest, and the calls and demands for change, And
51:12
Speaker 1: the minute this compact has agreed to, the second estate
51:17
Speaker 1: feels as if their votes cost their guy an election,
51:20
Speaker 1: then there's going to be right. So I'm skeptical that
51:23
Speaker 1: this will ever even when it hits the requisite number,
51:26
Speaker 1: that it will ever be implemented. That essentially, this is
51:31
Speaker 1: an easy thing to say you're willing to do before
51:33
Speaker 1: you get to the number itself. Now on once you
51:36
Speaker 1: catch the once you're the dog that catches the proverbial car,
51:40
Speaker 1: what actually happens here? What do you plan to do
51:42
Speaker 1: with this? You know? I I'm I think we need
51:51
Speaker 1: a constitutional amendment to change this if you want to
51:53
Speaker 1: change it. My work around these days is doubling the
51:57
Speaker 1: size of the house. If you did that, then you
51:59
Speaker 1: would write and the electoral college would follow the popular
52:03
Speaker 1: vote in ninety eight percent of the circumstances, rather than
52:06
Speaker 1: in the situation we're in now, which is only about
52:08
Speaker 1: something like eighty five to ninety percent of the time,
52:11
Speaker 1: will the popular vote in the in the electoral vote
52:15
Speaker 1: be the same winner, and that that GAP's a big deal.
52:20
Speaker 1: That's a big you know, as I like to say,
52:23
Speaker 1: you know, would you get on a plane that had
52:26
Speaker 1: a ninety percent chance of landing safely? Would you get
52:31
Speaker 1: on a plane that had a ninety nine percent chance
52:33
Speaker 1: of landing safely? Right? You do that all the time.
52:37
Speaker 1: Nothing's one hundred percent, But once you hear that it's
52:40
Speaker 1: ninety how about eighty five? Right? Right? Then it's suddenly
52:44
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I know, plenty of one in fifteen
52:46
Speaker 1: you know, I'm fifteen percent chance things happen. There's a
52:49
Speaker 1: ten percent chance of something happened. And wait a minute,
52:51
Speaker 1: that's that that could actually happen. So you know, I'm
52:58
Speaker 1: I'm so, I'm I'm skeptical that this would ever successfully
53:03
Speaker 1: be implemented because I think there's states that have agreed
53:06
Speaker 1: to do it. You'll see, especially since we've become so
53:08
Speaker 1: one party. I mean, look at a state like Virginia
53:11
Speaker 1: suddenly as a one party controlled state. It's still kind
53:15
Speaker 1: of a I would argue, it's a fifty five to
53:16
Speaker 1: forty five dem lean overall, right, but it behaves like
53:20
Speaker 1: it's an eighty twenty state these days with its legislature
53:24
Speaker 1: and its democratic governance. Right, It's just like Mississippi's really
53:27
Speaker 1: like a fifty five to forty five state, but it
53:28
Speaker 1: behaves in governance if it's an eighty twenty Republican state.
53:33
Speaker 1: And so that's where I you know, So I'm I needed,
53:38
Speaker 1: like I said, I needed a better analysis of how
53:40
Speaker 1: many which states in there. But I just have a
53:42
Speaker 1: feeling a bunch of them will chicken out when this starts,
53:45
Speaker 1: and just when it looks like they're getting to somebody,
53:47
Speaker 1: somebody will, you know, it'll be it'll be like Lucy
53:51
Speaker 1: in the football. You know, she'll pull it away. Some
53:53
Speaker 1: state will withdraw from the compact, and all of a
53:55
Speaker 1: sudden they're short again. So you know that it's my guess,
54:00
Speaker 1: And again I go back to the the easiest way
54:04
Speaker 1: to fix this is just expanding the House, then you
54:08
Speaker 1: don't even need a constitutional amendment after that a constitutional amendment.
54:11
Speaker 1: But I do think you're not going to be able
54:16
Speaker 1: to get the constitutional amendment until you convince both parties
54:20
Speaker 1: that this will be helpful to that. And I think
54:23
Speaker 1: repealing the electoral college won't get you there, but expanding
54:27
Speaker 1: the House in theory benefits. You can make a case
54:30
Speaker 1: that it can strengthen both parties depending on how you
54:34
Speaker 1: look at it. You know, shouldn't you have more voting
54:37
Speaker 1: power in Congress than Wyoming has? Right? Shouldn't you have
54:40
Speaker 1: more voting power in Congress than Delaware has? Right? You
54:43
Speaker 1: can make that case to a Republican state or a
54:44
Speaker 1: democratic state. So that's why I sort of lean more
54:50
Speaker 1: in that territory. But thanks for asking about that. The
54:54
Speaker 1: MPV is always I got into it until I didn't.
54:59
Speaker 1: Next question comes from Kenny from Massapequa. Thank you for
55:03
Speaker 1: letting me say massive pequod approve that I can say it. Hey, Chuck,
55:05
Speaker 1: I share your dad's love of coin collecting, and while
55:07
Speaker 1: the bi centennial coins may not be worth much more
55:10
Speaker 1: than face value, sometimes the memories attached to them are priceless.
55:13
Speaker 1: My wife and I also have a question, what's the
55:15
Speaker 1: deal with daylight saving time? With Senator Rubio no longer
55:18
Speaker 1: championing the issue in the Senate, is there anyone likely
55:20
Speaker 1: to take up the push to either keep it permanent
55:22
Speaker 1: or in the clock changes together twice a year of
55:24
Speaker 1: the timeship disrupts sleep, commuting, and families. So is there
55:27
Speaker 1: any real chance Congress funally fixes it? Kenny from Massapequa Kenny,
55:30
Speaker 1: I hope you heard my time Machine segment earlier this
55:33
Speaker 1: week on this very issue, the initial creation of time zones,
55:38
Speaker 1: daylight saving and how often we've the problem is there
55:42
Speaker 1: is no solution because the solution for you becomes a
55:46
Speaker 1: problem for somebody else. And I went through three different
55:50
Speaker 1: periods of time where we had sort of permanent versions
55:53
Speaker 1: of you know, temporary permanent versions of our time and
55:57
Speaker 1: the big the most recent attempt that we did this
55:59
Speaker 1: in seventy four to conserve energy during the energy crisis,
56:01
Speaker 1: where a year long daylight saving time is you basically
56:04
Speaker 1: had a hope. You know, there's a bunch of we
56:07
Speaker 1: had actual accidents, Kids were killed at bus stops because
56:13
Speaker 1: of traffic accidents before the sun came up, So you know,
56:18
Speaker 1: I think this is one of those cases where. And
56:21
Speaker 1: this is why I enjoyed that time machine. You know,
56:23
Speaker 1: before the Railroad's you know, every town noon was slightly
56:28
Speaker 1: different and everybody used the sun to decide while it's
56:31
Speaker 1: noon in Massapequa, which means it's eleven fifty nine some
56:35
Speaker 1: in the next town over, and it's eleven fifty eight
56:37
Speaker 1: two towns from there. Right. So anyway, I encourage you
56:41
Speaker 1: go check my last time Machine episode from the Monday episode.
56:47
Speaker 1: I'd like to think that after you listen to that,
56:50
Speaker 1: you'll be like, oh, this is why it'll never change,
56:54
Speaker 1: because it's too complicated. There's no good answer because every
57:00
Speaker 1: every you know, now, when we were in a grarian economy,
57:04
Speaker 1: we just adjust it, you know. When living in this
57:07
Speaker 1: fixed time zone, this is going to be this is
57:09
Speaker 1: going to be the challenge here. And I think everybody
57:14
Speaker 1: has different interests, right if you're you know, I remember
57:18
Speaker 1: as a little kid, I couldn't wait for daylight saving time,
57:20
Speaker 1: and the older I've gotten, I resent daylight saving time, right,
57:23
Speaker 1: So I think that's another issue here, is that there's
57:27
Speaker 1: just not a there's no clean there's no clean answer,
57:32
Speaker 1: and in some ways, going through the motions of trying
57:35
Speaker 1: to figure out how we took control of time as
57:37
Speaker 1: it is as a country and as a government. I
57:41
Speaker 1: now feel I feel satisfied with my unsat with this unsatisfactory,
57:49
Speaker 1: uncomfortable way that we've done this. Now, I do wish
57:52
Speaker 1: we would at least, you know, we keep we keep
57:56
Speaker 1: moving when we do daylight saving time more than the
57:58
Speaker 1: rest of the world does. I wish we would synchronize
58:00
Speaker 1: a little bit better with other countries so that it went,
58:03
Speaker 1: all right, we're all going to move our we're all
58:06
Speaker 1: going to move up an hour early here, but we
58:08
Speaker 1: keep doing the mission creep and I think it also
58:14
Speaker 1: kind of messes things up there. All right, take one
58:16
Speaker 1: more question. No, Actually, I got to end it there.
58:20
Speaker 1: I'm going to wrap things up here. Though. It is
58:23
Speaker 1: the best weekend of one of the best sports weekends
58:26
Speaker 1: of the year. It's the first and second round of
58:28
Speaker 1: the NCAA Tournament. I will tell you I'm such an
58:31
Speaker 1: addict about the NCAA Tournament that I instituted no hotline
58:34
Speaker 1: Fridays for in celebration of the NCAA Tournament. We would
58:39
Speaker 1: literally put everybody we stop. We made Friday a holiday.
58:44
Speaker 1: We published right before noon the twelve fifteen tip off
58:48
Speaker 1: on Thursday and everybody scattered. It was one of my
58:52
Speaker 1: prouder managerial decisions that I made. And that's how much
58:58
Speaker 1: I love the NCAA tournament. I have a couple of
59:03
Speaker 1: fun pools that I do want my favorite, and I've
59:05
Speaker 1: been doing it with a group of friends probably almost
59:08
Speaker 1: thirty years now, where there's eight of us and we
59:11
Speaker 1: do a draft. You know, we all throw two hundred
59:14
Speaker 1: bucks in and we do a draft, and we'd do
59:15
Speaker 1: eight teams and randomized pick. So then you go through
59:19
Speaker 1: and you know you you basically have. So I thought
59:22
Speaker 1: i'd have some fun and share with you quickly what
59:25
Speaker 1: those what those picks are. It is so I and
59:33
Speaker 1: the draft, I had the fourth pick, so I got Florida.
59:36
Speaker 1: They were the remaining number one seed, and I came
59:39
Speaker 1: really close to drafting Houston, but I didn't want to
59:42
Speaker 1: leave a one seed on board, said Florida. And then
59:44
Speaker 1: when it came back to me in the Snake draft,
59:46
Speaker 1: I got Arkansas. Then I have Wisconsin, Miami, Saint Louis,
59:50
Speaker 1: South Florida, Wright State, and Howard you get for every
59:55
Speaker 1: win your team gets, you you get and everybody throws
59:59
Speaker 1: a pile of money into the pool. So you know,
1:00:02
Speaker 1: there have been years where people have gotten two Final
1:00:04
Speaker 1: four teams with their team, and there are years they
1:00:06
Speaker 1: are limited after the first weekend. Sometimes it's a bit random,
1:00:12
Speaker 1: but it's one of my favorite pools that I do.
1:00:14
Speaker 1: But like, you end up with teams you don't necessarily
1:00:17
Speaker 1: want to root for, Like I'm like, really Florida, but
1:00:20
Speaker 1: and I wasn't gonna leave them on the board. I
1:00:22
Speaker 1: don't enjoy rooting for them, but at least now if
1:00:23
Speaker 1: they win, I might win something. But I do. I
1:00:27
Speaker 1: am happy, Like I went out of my way to
1:00:29
Speaker 1: draft Miami, and I went out of my way to
1:00:31
Speaker 1: draft Saint Louis An A ten team for Chocolate up
1:00:34
Speaker 1: GW SO. But my in case you're wondering the final
1:00:38
Speaker 1: four that I read to Tony Kornheiser, my participation in
1:00:41
Speaker 1: their bracket challenge Arizona Duke Houston, and I have Houston
1:00:48
Speaker 1: beating Florida there in Arizona, I have Houston winning the
1:00:54
Speaker 1: whole thing over I think I've Houston beating Michigan in
1:01:02
Speaker 1: the final game. I believe that's what I ended up doing.
1:01:05
Speaker 1: So and if you're wondering what my first early round
1:01:09
Speaker 1: upsets are. I will say the only twelve seeds that
1:01:12
Speaker 1: intrigued me Akron Akron is one that I put in
1:01:17
Speaker 1: my pool to go a couple of rounds. I want
1:01:21
Speaker 1: to believe that one of the eleven seeds will do
1:01:26
Speaker 1: a little something for me. That's South Florida. I have
1:01:29
Speaker 1: them going around or too on that front. But mostly
1:01:33
Speaker 1: I think this is going to be chalky, chalky, chalky chalky,
1:01:37
Speaker 1: lots of ones and twos in the Elite eight, with
1:01:40
Speaker 1: maybe only Saint John's blowing up that party and being
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Speaker 1: the highest seed remaining in come the Elite eight. I
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Speaker 1: guess is the johnnies at five. If anybody over a
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Speaker 1: five seed gets to the Elite eight, my guess is
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Speaker 1: that it would be boy I struggle. You know two
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Speaker 1: A month ago, I might have said Saint Louis, I
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Speaker 1: don't buy it now. And a month ago I might
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Speaker 1: have said Miami, but I don't think we're deep enough
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Speaker 1: to make that type of run. But I like Miami's path.
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Speaker 1: I don't hate Miami's path. I think they can knock
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Speaker 1: Purdue off in the second round, and obviously they pull
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Speaker 1: that off, then hey, then anything is possible. So there
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Speaker 1: you go. Enjoy the weekend, enjoy college basketball. It's a
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Speaker 1: good way to distract yourself from the craziness that is
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Speaker 1: the world and this country in politics. Thanks for listening,
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Speaker 1: and I'll see them on that