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50 Cent vs Marlon Wayans and Gay Hockey with Guy Branum · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 2: Heather MacDonald has got the Juicy Scoop. When you're on
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  Speaker 2: Listen in, listen up. Woo, woo. Heather MacDonald. Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have one of
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  Speaker 2: my dear friends, one of our favorites. He is an
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  Speaker 2: award-winning writer. Around the corner is the EGOT. Am I right, Guy?
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  Speaker 3: Only if we count my Golden Globe as the G.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of people don't know that after Whitney plays
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  Speaker 2: Roxy Hart, Whitney from Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, you
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  Speaker 2: are the next person that is going to be playing
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  Speaker 2: Roxy Hart in Chicago. And so then, yeah, you'll have
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  Speaker 2: an Emmy and a Tony for Roxy Hart. And then
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  Speaker 2: the Oscar is going to be coming around the corner.
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  Speaker 3: We all know how much I love my sound editing. It's,
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  Speaker 3: you know, actor, comedian, sound editor is what you've always
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  Speaker 3: understood me as and really focus on that before.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I love it. Guy Brown, I'm always so funny.
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  Speaker 2: On a world tour with your one-man show.
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  Speaker 3: But back to the Tony Awards, I just have to ask.
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  Speaker 3: If the offer were out there for you to be O'Mary,
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  Speaker 3: would you do a touring O'Mary? Would you do.
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  Speaker 2: O'Mary is the.
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  Speaker 3: Polar school of show.
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  Speaker 2: About Lincoln being gay and Mary Todd being his wife.
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  Speaker 3: Have you seen it?
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  Speaker 2: I have not, but I kind of tell you about
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  Speaker 2: a night I had with my... sorority sister my big
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  Speaker 2: sis lisa she has a beautiful place in new york
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  Speaker 2: after i performed we went to dinner dr drew and
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  Speaker 2: his wife we came back to her house and that
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  Speaker 2: was the first time i said i believe lincoln was
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  Speaker 2: gay and i gave out all the facts and dr
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  Speaker 2: drew was like what and like first time we'd ever
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  Speaker 2: heard it so then she went to the play and
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  Speaker 2: she was like heather this you know And I know
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't the first person to say this 10 years ago,
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  Speaker 2: but there was overwhelming evidence 10, 15 years ago that
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  Speaker 2: they had, you know, sharing a bed and, you know,
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  Speaker 2: but then they were like, what? It was cold. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like, whatever it was. I have to see
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  Speaker 2: it because I.
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  Speaker 3: Heard it's great. It's basically like an amazing episode of
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  Speaker 3: I Love Lucy. You're really going to love it. But yes,
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  Speaker 3: I am taking my show Be Fruitful on tour. I
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  Speaker 3: am going to be in Philadelphia on December 17th, D.C.
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  Speaker 3: on December 18th, and then in Brooklyn on December 19th.
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  Speaker 2: It's fabulous. It's funny. He sings, he dances, he does
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  Speaker 2: costume changes.
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  Speaker 3: I do not.
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  Speaker 2: You're basically Luann de Lesseps. Is this cabaret?
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  Speaker 3: I do not sing, and it is quite explicitly not cabaret.
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  Speaker 2: I did see a costume change in your preview, though.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. I mean, I shouldn't have shown that.
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  Speaker 2: It's a finale moment.
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  Speaker 3: It's supposed to be a secret. But what is the
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  Speaker 3: thing that Sutton does? Not Sutton. The thing that... What's
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  Speaker 3: her name does that's like burlesque and cabaret?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Sonia Morgan.
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  Speaker 3: Sonia, yes.
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  Speaker 2: No, she does stand-up now.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, really?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure she's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: It's all so good. We're going to get into all
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  Speaker 2: of that. Okay. But first, I need to tell you
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  Speaker 2: what is going on since I reported last on the
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  Speaker 2: Diddy Doc by 50 Cent. So, I was explaining a
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  Speaker 2: little to you yesterday. Now, let me explain what happened.
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  Speaker 2: Marlon Wayans.
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  Speaker 3: Uh-huh.
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  Speaker 2: Of the Wayne's fame, white chicks. I've worked with him.
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  Speaker 2: My opinion, delight.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, he was on a podcast radio show. Someone asked him,
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  Speaker 2: what do you think of this? And he basically said,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the man's doing five years in jail. Why
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  Speaker 2: kick him when you're down 50, you know, karma is
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  Speaker 2: going to get you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But he also, I think said, I haven't watched it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if he said that or not, but,
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  Speaker 2: It seemed clear he hadn't watched it.
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  Speaker 3: 50 Cent has been shot multiple times. Has karma already
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  Speaker 3: gotten him?
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  Speaker 2: So true. Okay, so hold that thought because we did
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  Speaker 2: a book sketch. But I want to talk about that.
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  Speaker 2: A book club sketch with 50 back in the day. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so then 50 comes after him. And 50... uh, Fitty,
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  Speaker 2: you know, writes, shows a photo of him as white
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  Speaker 2: chick and is like, keep your, my mouth, my name
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  Speaker 2: out of your mouth and this and that. And then
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  Speaker 2: Marlon goes and does this 12 years as a slave, uh,
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  Speaker 2: photo of, of 50, um, you know, Photoshopped. This one
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  Speaker 2: in the comments was very poorly received. And that's on
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  Speaker 2: Marlon's page. So those are fans of Marlon being like,
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  Speaker 2: This is not it.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Like, this is not it. Why are you defending Diddy? Like, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: And then it keeps going back and forth. And then
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  Speaker 2: Fitty does a post.
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  Speaker 3: It's always rough to be the seventh most talented person
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  Speaker 3: in your family.
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  Speaker 2: Listen. I've worked with them all. And you even said, wait,
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  Speaker 2: are you going to talk about this? Aren't you good friends? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm good friends with all of them. I've worked on
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  Speaker 2: the movie. I've had this show for more than 10 years.
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  Speaker 2: I've invited every single one of the Wayans brothers that
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  Speaker 2: I worked on White Chicks and the TV shows with
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  Speaker 2: over and over and over again. So, no, you know what?
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  Speaker 2: I will speak about any topic that I find interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Being the seventh most talented person in that family is
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  Speaker 3: very impressive. They're all very good. Have you seen Damon Jr.
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  Speaker 3: do physical comedy? They're all, Kim's amazing. Like they're all great.
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  Speaker 2: And they're all lovely and they have the greatest family.
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  Speaker 2: So this is something that all of us in this
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  Speaker 2: world have gotten caught up in when you could have
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  Speaker 2: just written Fiddy and said, hey, I haven't seen the doc.
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  Speaker 2: I was merely answering a question. Let's stop it here.
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  Speaker 2: But then the other side is, by doing this, now
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about you.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Marlon has stand-up gigs. You know, this is all... You know,
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  Speaker 2: there's no bad publicity, whatever. But they keep going back.
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  Speaker 2: And in my opinion, the majority is on Fiddy's side
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  Speaker 2: because they're thinking somehow he's defending P. Diddy or minimizing it.
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  Speaker 2: So then Fiddy... goes and pulls up videos and puts
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  Speaker 2: it on his Instagram of Marlon talking highly of P. Diddy, saying,
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  Speaker 2: I went to all these parties, yet I never saw
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  Speaker 2: any of the freaky stuff. And then he takes another
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  Speaker 2: clip of a movie that Marlon did that was a
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  Speaker 2: parody of Haunted House, where he wakes up and it's
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  Speaker 2: like he was effed in the butt or whatever. So
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  Speaker 2: he's acting like that.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: So they're both... Then Marlon shows a photo of Fitty
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  Speaker 2: and Sean Puffy Combs in a jacuzzi together, but could
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  Speaker 2: also look like two dads in a jacuzzi together after
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  Speaker 2: a golf game. They're just like sitting there, but still.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a little jabs at homophobia at both of
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  Speaker 2: them on both sides, which Marlon has, I believe, a
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  Speaker 2: trans child and has spoken very openly in support of Fitty.
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  Speaker 2: gay people and as an ally. But they're both jabbing
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  Speaker 2: at it.
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  Speaker 3: For these, like, Gen X or elder millennial guys, like,
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  Speaker 3: a little homophobia is just, like, part of the game
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  Speaker 3: when insulting each other, and I think it's hard for
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  Speaker 3: them to, like, extract themselves from that. I also think that, like,
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  Speaker 3: Kendrick Lamar... like, won a Pulitzer and then got to be, like,
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  Speaker 3: he did a diss track as the Super Bowl halftime show.
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  Speaker 3: I think that, like, we have really, like, elevated this
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  Speaker 3: sort of, like, diss track-y thing. I do have to wonder,
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  Speaker 3: is the documentary just about the world of hip-hop trying
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  Speaker 3: to EGOT and trying to move out into, like, filmmaking
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  Speaker 3: so you can pick up those Emmys and Oscars? But
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  Speaker 3: I also think that, like, so many people have been
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  Speaker 3: able to elevate their brands off of these things, but also, like,
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  Speaker 3: It's really like, you know, Drake is a tarnished brand
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  Speaker 3: now because of how effectively, like, Kendrick Lamar did his thing. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I wonder about this.
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  Speaker 2: And isn't it also the weird Millie Bobby Brown stuff, too,
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  Speaker 2: that Drake was giving her advice and texting her at 12?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of creepiness.
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  Speaker 3: Like, the thing about... I would never do a documentary about,
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  Speaker 3: I went to parties, they weren't that bad. But, like,
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  Speaker 3: the thing is, is, like.
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  Speaker 3: You know, in the 2000s, like, a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: were going to Brett Ratner parties where things were happening.
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  Speaker 3: I definitely went to some gay parties in the 2010s.
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  Speaker 3: 2010s where everything was fine. And then later you found
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  Speaker 3: out that directors were being creepy or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: And I've been guilty of this too.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: That is why you might have something interesting to say
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  Speaker 2: or a joke or whatever like Marlon did. And he's
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  Speaker 2: an improviser and he was asked. However, if you do
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  Speaker 2: not watch the number one documentary in America and the UK,
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  Speaker 2: which is four parts, maybe make that clear before you
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  Speaker 2: comment on it because it isn't like that. I think
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  Speaker 2: if you watch it, it is four parts and maybe
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  Speaker 2: you're like, like I said on Tuesday, you might be like,
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  Speaker 2: oh my God, I covered the trial. I saw it all.
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  Speaker 2: It's so much better than that because it really... It's
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  Speaker 2: really an understanding of him, Sean Pfeiffer Combs, as a
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  Speaker 2: human being. And that archetype of a person, maybe you
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  Speaker 2: know someone like this. They're not obviously at the puffy
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  Speaker 2: level of crime and manipulation, but they might have a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of that in them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And you're kind of like, oh, wow, that's interesting that
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  Speaker 2: he was raised this way and then went this way
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  Speaker 2: and then put himself in all the music stuff and
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  Speaker 2: was jealous of his artists and then also fucked up
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  Speaker 2: and didn't pay him. So there's so many more than just... Oh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I went to the party and I participated
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  Speaker 2: and now I'm bitter. It's not that. That's not what
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  Speaker 2: he did. And he produced it and he bought the
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  Speaker 2: footage because he did. He never paid the people that
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  Speaker 2: he hired to film him.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 3: That's hilarious.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he screwed over people for $ 20. He like
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  Speaker 2: didn't just, you know, it wasn't just big things. It
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  Speaker 2: wasn't just him being, you know, violent against women and
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  Speaker 2: men in his life. and saying people it's like so
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  Speaker 2: much worse than that. And so it is very interesting,
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  Speaker 2: but this back and forth, you know, and then Marlon's like, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: and now Marlon spoke this morning and he said, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: I am not supporting P Diddy. I was just saying this,
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  Speaker 2: you know, someone asked me a question. And I get
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  Speaker 2: all that. And it's like, we're just in such a
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  Speaker 2: world now, whether it's people talking about each other on,
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  Speaker 2: I always say there should be a show. I heard
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  Speaker 2: what you said about me on your podcast. Instead of
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  Speaker 2: picking up the phone and talking to someone. And it's
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  Speaker 2: really weird to like your whole life. You know, we
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  Speaker 2: would have to, in my generation, we would have to
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  Speaker 2: do a three-way call if you wanted to hear two
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  Speaker 2: people talk shit about you. Right. Now you can just,
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  Speaker 2: you know, pop it up in your car and listen
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  Speaker 2: to your two best friends for the last 20 years
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  Speaker 2: say that you're not that great.
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  Speaker 3: No, like it's very hard and it's very easy. And these,
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  Speaker 3: like this comment culture, this comment section culture is very real.
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  Speaker 3: I recently was watching some Donna Hughes on YouTube and
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  Speaker 3: it was amazing because like it's back in the 1980s
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  Speaker 3: and everybody is communicating in good faith. People may not
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  Speaker 3: agree with each other, but they're just trying to like
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  Speaker 3: understand each other. And I feel like everyone is now
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  Speaker 3: just really in love with getting mad and, you know,
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  Speaker 3: talking shit at each other.
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  Speaker 2: and put over there because it was just too juicy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I feel like sometimes with guys and especially comedians
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  Speaker 2: and you have these two strong you know, great personalities, funny,
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  Speaker 2: talented people, 50 Cent and, you know, and Marlon. And
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  Speaker 2: so they're like, I'm not going to apologize. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: going to admit I'm wrong. I'm not going to say, hey,
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  Speaker 2: I should have made it clear I didn't watch it, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Because now the disses are so bad. So he's like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to keep trolling. I'm going to keep trolling.
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  Speaker 2: That's what Marlon says. And then, you know, so it's just.
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  Speaker 3: Patton Oswalt just did the vulture comedy podcast that Jesse
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  Speaker 3: David Fox did. And he did a really hard sort
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  Speaker 3: of like, comedians being raised to like never apologize for
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  Speaker 3: anything is like dumb and wrong and from the past.
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  Speaker 3: And you do have to like understand that like You
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  Speaker 3: should grow. You should grow and be able to look
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  Speaker 3: back at your material and be like, oh, I don't
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  Speaker 3: believe that in the same way that I did before now,
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  Speaker 3: you know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, it's interesting that, you know, Marlon isn't
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  Speaker 2: just like trying to clear it up and end it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And he's kind of playing along with it. And because
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  Speaker 2: I remember when my misunderstanding happened with Chelsea and I
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  Speaker 2: didn't have the platform. I did have the podcast and
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  Speaker 2: I did clear it up on my podcast two days
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  Speaker 2: later and I did– apologize and explain that it was
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  Speaker 2: taken out of context. By that time, nobody cares. I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't big enough for them to pick up my side.
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  Speaker 2: So I just had to suffer with like looking like
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  Speaker 2: an ungrateful dork for five years. But I remember I
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  Speaker 2: saw him right after that at a movie premiere of his.
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  Speaker 2: And he was like, what are you doing? you look
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  Speaker 2: bad in this. And I go, I've already apologized, but
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  Speaker 2: I'm not a big enough person to get the press.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like, I'm like, yeah, I'll tell you, you're
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  Speaker 2: not coming off well in this, in my opinion. And
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  Speaker 2: because you're, you know, two 50 plus year old men,
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  Speaker 2: even though they both look great. Yes. And they're so
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  Speaker 2: powerful and they're so rich. And then also, like you said,
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  Speaker 2: it's become this kind of fun culture in hip hop.
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  Speaker 2: They kind of started it. And now everybody does it
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  Speaker 2: a little bit with the back and forth and with
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  Speaker 2: podcasts and Instagram, you can do it. But in the end, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Sean Combs is a horrible, horrible person. He's just a
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  Speaker 2: horrible person. If you want to believe 40% of the
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  Speaker 2: stuff that's out there, he's still a horrible person. And
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  Speaker 2: I think Marlon's like saying, hey, I didn't defend him.
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  Speaker 2: But again, it got mistrue to mistrue. And now you're
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  Speaker 2: going back and forth a million times.
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  Speaker 3: It's hard because also there's a way that we can
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  Speaker 3: like lionize and romanticize some of the terrible things that happen. Like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, every story about a hip hop mogul dangling
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  Speaker 3: someone outside of a window, you are like, that's juicy. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then it's like, oh, another one that Marlon did
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  Speaker 2: was like showed a photo of Curtis, 50 Cent, like
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  Speaker 2: oiled up with his shirt off. And he's like, looks
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  Speaker 2: like you like the baby oil. I'm like, wait, what
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  Speaker 2: is going like now? So, and then I imagine each
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  Speaker 2: of them, like, are they a alone taking a shit
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  Speaker 2: doing this? Or do they have like five people on
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  Speaker 2: computers pulling up old photos that look that they could
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  Speaker 2: make a funny meme out of to go back at
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  Speaker 2: each other.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's interesting because I do think the way
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  Speaker 3: that these sort of like echo chambers of having people
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  Speaker 3: who employ you, Or who are employed by you and who, like,
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  Speaker 3: want to make you happy are coming to you with, like,
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  Speaker 3: we could do this. We could do this.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And it stops you. You know, there's no one there
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  Speaker 3: sort of saying, like, hey, let's de-escalate this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like, now— yeah, in the past, people, you know, had
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  Speaker 2: a sitcom on ADBC.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And they had a bunch of writers, and maybe they, like,
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  Speaker 2: in our day, would maybe pick up a few writers
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  Speaker 2: to help them write the opening monologue for an MTV Awards. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Now— Everyone just has a bunch of people doing their
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: social media and what they're, you know? And it's immediate.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: But also, there are people who are good at it.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: I worked at the VMAs like 10 years ago, and
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: Nicki Minaj was going to sort of like open beef
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: with Miley Cyrus there. And just sort of, she had
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: a team of people around her who were like constantly
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: strategizing with her. And it was like magnificent to watch.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: But also, you see so many people who have been like,
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: taken down by this beefing, you know?
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Nicki Minaj then moved on to Cardi B.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: Yes, and like, I think has been damaged by that, right?
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because Cardi B is better at it.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Just like 50 Cent is better at it.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Some people, those are your talents. And she would even
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: say that expression, you know, Michelle Obama expression, when they
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: go low, we go high. She's like, no, when they
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: go low, I take them to hell.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: It's a great... And now people are saying like, yeah,
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: you know, there's what would Jesus do? And then there's
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: if you want to be petty and get revenge, what
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: would 50 Cent do? And like where are you in
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: your goals here?
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: I mean make them cry and then see where we
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: can move forward from there I think isn't– It's the
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: housewife motto.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: I love it when housewives are always like, the show
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: is about conflict and resolution. I'm like, who started that?
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: That's not what the show is about when I started watching.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: It's about women in sky tops with no eyelashes and
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: thin lips and pre-recession 2007 in their own homes with
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: their rooster ceramic chickens and Tuscan– and rooster chickens. Yeah,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: like those roosters.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: It was that. Bethany's one-bedroom apartment.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it was. Now the show's like, oh,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: they've got to fight and resolve, and the other women
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: will be like, if you don't accept my apology, what
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: are you doing? You better accept my apology, otherwise we're
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: not only going to be in the show together. Well,
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: then that's not a reality show.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Because it's like, you know, so anyway, well, this is
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: a reality show. This is the real house husbands of
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: hip hop taking the streets. I don't know. But I
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: hope it doesn't go anywhere weird. Also, Fitty said, showed
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: a photo of like a funeral arrangement from Pitty. From Pitty.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, P.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: Diddy.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Pitty. From P. Diddy. I'm like, every time I listen
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: back to these podcasts, I'm like, Did I mix up
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Biggie and Diddy and Fitty and I'm hoping I don't. Anyway,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: and everyone's like, oh, my God, how did he send
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: that to you and whatever? And I'm also like, OK,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: with all due, this could be from Fitty to himself.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: To keep a narrative of like, oh, he's sending me
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: funeral flowers. And yeah, I got shot nine times. And yeah,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I'm not afraid. Who the fuck knows what's real or not?
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: You and I were just talking about these AI videos
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: that now are so sad because we know that they're
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: not real.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: And I was saying, I like videos where a dog
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: protects a baby from going up the stairs. And now
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: I'm like, is that even real?
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: And it also leads us to a world where anytime
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: people get any information that they don't like, they're like,
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: that's a false flag. That's this person pretending to do
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: something to themselves.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: That's not my voicemail. Someone AI'd my voice, which is possible.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Yes, but also it's usually not what happens. Like everyone,
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: I was hacked. Do you remember the glorious age of
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: I was hacked when people had tweeted something that was dumb?
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: We have some glorious agents I'm going to ruin. Oh,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: speaking of which, going back to 50 here.
• 20:37
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• 21:04
  Speaker 4: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: have faced tremendous setbacks, and yet somehow have found a
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Life is one long lesson of chaos.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: I'm heading to the Emmys, and I have police complaints
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: filed against me.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: what would you do if it was given back?
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: Where did that need come from where you thought that
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: He said, I have a work dad. I need a
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: home dad. What happens next? When I came in, he
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: started crying.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: those hard moments that they go through.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: It's about what happens next.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: I decided to risk it all. I realized how valuable
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: every day was.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: You're worth the work. Listen, Dara, I'm not going to
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: pull punches.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: You can use your voice even if it's shaped.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: So when we were on Chelsea Lately together and they
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: had their 30-day romance, we decided to do a book
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: club episode, a book club sketch.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Where you were the head of the book club, correct? Yes.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Because you're the smartest one. Lawyer, Berkeley grad. Need I
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: say more? So anyway, I'm playing myself. But for people
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: that hated me on Chelsea Lately and After Lately, I
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: was an exaggerated version of certain traits that I do embody.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: But to a ridiculous, I'm a fan, I'm a white
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: girl from the valley, I'm blah, blah, blah. So anyway,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: I actually read his book.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: Yes. Heather loves a celebrity biography.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: I love it. And, you know, it was crazy. Like,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: you know, he was selling drugs at like nine. It
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: was insane.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: And, um, but anyway, so we do this whole, we're
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: doing this whole thing. And I say to Drake, I go, Drake, uh,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: see if there's some, we can find the sketch somewhere. Yes.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Because once the show ended, he hated us all so much.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: They just took everything off the internet, which.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: We are so lucky for that.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: We are grateful for it. God bless the, God bless
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: the E person that got that order and, and threw
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: it down a river.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Look, what passed for comedy in 2008 is now a
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: war crime.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Okay. That is a great line. Guy, you're so smart.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: What did you say it again?
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: What passed for comedy in 2008 is now a war crime.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Brilliance. So, I mean, trust me, we are all better off.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: But there are some people that have found sketches of
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: me or whatever. So we could not find it. But somehow,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Drake found an article written about it.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Or something. And it's like, Heather MacDonald acts like she's,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: you know, is saying that she's afraid that Chelsea's dating
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: this guy.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: And then a book falls on the ground and I
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: go down like it's a shooting because, and then 50
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: comes in and was part of the sketch. Yes. And
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: he's like, why are you afraid, Heather? And I have
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: to act like I'm afraid of black men. After I've
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: written White Chicks, been with the Waynes brothers.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Your origin story comes straight through Keenan Ivory Waynes. It's acting, people.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: And also, like, Part of comedy can be self-parody and, like,
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: exaggeration and making fun of the things about yourself that
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: you understand are imperfect.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: And there is a way that, like, I think a
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: lot of the Gen Z comedy consumers don't understand anything
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: being dangerous or difficult or a character needing to improve
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: or anything. Like, it can be really hard.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: Like, I.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: I've been doing these little videos where I talk about
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: things that only the old gays remember. And, like, in
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: one of them, I, like.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Tell me one.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: Oh, like, I do.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Since I do identify as an old gay.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: No, you 100%. Like, I talked about sharing the bagel boy.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: I talked.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Share the bagel boy.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: I talked about Rob Lowe's sex tape, that kind of thing.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: At the DMC, right?
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Yes. But I did one about this very famous drag
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: race lip sync for your life. And at the beginning,
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: I sort of emphasized like, oh, Natalie Cole, she's a
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: middling diva. And oh, Dita Ritz was like a middling
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: drag queen. And everybody's like, how dare you? And I'm like, babes,
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: I'm lowering expectations. So that when we get to the climax,
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: it's amazing. And we realize that celebrating how great Natalie
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: Cole was was the whole point of this whole thing.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: And people are just like, you said something that was
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: upsetting and wasn't what I wanted you to say. And
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: so watch to the end and then see maybe if
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: there was a point to the whole thing. And they're
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: being shot in that. That's part of 50 Cent's story.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: So we were writing it, having a good time writing it,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: and he was Such a great sport and everything. So
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: I hope that these two can get a cute lunch together.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: With their bodyguards. And, you know, or do it high on,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: go to the Waldorf historian at three o'clock for, for,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: for apps.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: No, like I like it. Like I think cute lunch
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: politics needs to be a concept that's out there and
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: understanding that. Like a half bottle of Sauvignon Blanc can
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: solve so many problems.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Chinese chicken salad.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Chinese chicken salad.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: I love to share. I love to share. I like
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: between two people, if you're hungry, two apps, one entree.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Oh, wonderful.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Just, it's the way to go, people. Yes. And it
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: makes it fun and it's very sad when you meet
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: someone who's like, I'm not into sharing.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: I just don't go, go by yourself.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Right. But also I think Oh, there was one writer
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: on my talk show who hated any shared plate situation
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: and he was very aggressive about it. But I do
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: think that sharing requires a level of trust.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: It is. I survey the room.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: I went out to dinner last night with... There was
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: five of us.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: And I said, you know, they know it's what I
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: like to do.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: I just look at the menu. I like to get
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: a variety of things. Yes. A fish, a meat.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: A salad. And we did pretty well.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Uh-huh.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: We did pretty well. I give it my ordering, like
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: I last night have given about a seven and a half. Uh-huh.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: It wasn't a full home run.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: There were times in my life when I would be
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: very reticent. One time I went to this great restaurant
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: with a bunch of writers from a show. And it
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: was all of the women from the show. And like
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: no one ate anything. And I was like so mad.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: But now I am at a very middle-aged point in
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: my life where I will take the last squash blossom,
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: you know?
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: I always, I never leave. I used to be like,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: how are they letting that last meatball go?
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: That last appetizer meatball. No way.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know what it is. My sister and I
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: have our mother's like voice in our head. Like that's
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: a good piece of salmon.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: You can't always get salmon like that. I don't care
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: if you're full. Shove it down your gullet.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: But, you know, with everybody being on the shots and stuff,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: you just aren't hungry for it. But I still have
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: the cheap gene.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Where I'm saving it for the winter.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I don't know when I'm going to
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: be at a nice restaurant again with a good piece
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: of fish.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: The way that the GLP-1 drugs are changing people's outlooks,
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: how is this going to affect the supermarkets of Los Angeles?
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: I'm wondering how are the Las Vegas sports books going
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: to do When people take their GLP-1 drug and then
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: they don't feel the need to bet on college sports
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: as much.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: They said it's affecting gambling. Did you hear that?
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: I did not hear that.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: It's affecting choice of drinking as much. There's now specific
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: GLPs that they're creating just to focus on not wanting
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: to drink.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: Oh, really?
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Napa's like, we won't be investing in that stock. And
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: then there is one for your fat cat.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow. That's insane.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: And bring out fat drugs for the fat cat.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: While we were talking about Chelsea lately, I do just
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: want to reflect back to you that the times we
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: spent in the little media center there, just watching a
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: television show together. I think that we watched the first
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Drag Race there. The Handjob TV movie with Jennifer Love Hewitt.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: I need to talk about that. First of all, if
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: you're watching this on YouTube, please subscribe and tell a friend.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: But the little media room we're talking about is just insane.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: This couch is in one TV. And so sometimes if
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: we wanted to like make fun of something or we
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: had a little time like on like a Thursday or Friday,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: we had to make fun of it. DVR'd shows.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: And we.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: There was a Lifetime movie about Jennifer Love Hewitt.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: Doing.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: She was a hooker at a massage place.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: The client list. And I want to say hooker because
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: that's what we called him back then.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: The client list.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: The client list. And we were dying because... They were
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: doing hand jobs and then what else? And they were
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: sleeping with them. But then they'd be like, it's better
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: than waitressing. That's what they would say. And I'm like,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: is picking up someone else's eaten plate less or more
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: offensive than sucking a D of someone you don't know
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: who's the sheriff down the road? We were like, what
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: is this show? How is this worse than not?
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: It was a magnificent show, but also, like there wasn't
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: enough space for all of us to sit down. So
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: Heather would usually lay on the ground and then halfway
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: through be like, someone crack my back.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Yes. I, I have been addicted to cracking my own back,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: having people crack my back and cracking others backs. That
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: has been, Something I've asked Dr. Drew, could this be
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: an addiction? And he said, well, would you like leave
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: your family for it? I said no.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Do you think that a GLP-1 drug would reduce your
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: inclination to crack people's backs or have your back cracked?
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: It would be good. Because also when I'm tired and
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: in bed, I like to watch chiropractic cracking videos. As
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: if somehow I'm getting a weird relief out of watching
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: the person get cracked.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Okay. I won't go to a chiropractor because it scares
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: me and I think it's pseudoscience.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be the 1.0008 that comes out of quadriplegic.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: Except that I love watching chiropractic videos. There's a guy
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: in Orange County who's amazing.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been to him.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: He is good and he did crack myself and I
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: felt good about it, but I still am just scared
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: to go back.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: But then I need to tell you the one exception
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: to I will never go to chiropractors. It is a pseudoscience.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: There is a chiropractor... there are multiple chiropractor offices in
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: the Minneapolis-St. Paul airport. And I, it's a doctor's office
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: in an airport. And I will just be like, I
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: would never go in Los Angeles, but Oh, I have
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: a two-hour layover? Yes.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: So did you?
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: Oh, I've done it so many times.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Wait, you get full-blown cracks.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: You get full-blown adjustments. Full-blown adjustments.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: I'm wet. Oh, my God. I would do it because
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: when I'm in the airport, I'm like, I'll go to
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: those other people, those massage people.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Like in the chair.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: And like, that's fine. That's lovely. But at the Minneapolis-St.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: Paul airport, there are multiple locations where you can just
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: say like, hey, what's going on? Let's do this.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: And they don't do it. Obviously, they don't do any
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: x-rays or anything. They're just like, let me pull your neck.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: No, let me pull your neck. And then also, I
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: was going to Stretch Lab in Los Angeles. There was
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: a guy who was a student chiropractor who was there
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: who wouldn't do like neck adjustments and stuff, but he
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: would do some other like. like chiropractic stuff.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: And you'd get some cracks?
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: I would get some cracks and he doesn't work there
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: anymore and I'm pretty sure that they fired him for
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: unlicensed practice.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: When I go into a massage place, I say, listen,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: I know you're not supposed to, but I like wink.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, but fucking make it happen.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: That's a real happy ending.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: That's the only happy.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Ending I want.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Oh my God, amazing.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: So funny.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, moving on. Um, Danity Kane reunited, and they're going
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: to go on the road. And that's Aubrey O'Day's band
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: that she did from making of the band. And she's
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: supposed to come on Juicy Scoop. Oh, wow. We did
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: an event together a little while ago. Obviously, she's in
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: the doc. It's very sad what she reveals that in
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: someone else's complaint or whatever. says, I walked into a
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: room and she was unconscious and being violated.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: By two men, one being Diddy.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: And so that's a very disturbing thing. But she's great.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: And she was great at this event. She sang and
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: she was great and she was fun. And hopefully she'll
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: have time to come on before she goes on tour.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: But she's a great personality. Like she's really funny besides
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: being a great singer. So This could just be the
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: lemonade that comes after all these years, I really hope.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, for all of time, we have expected that
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: any woman's path to success is going to have to
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: negotiate through a bunch of creepiness and a bunch of
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: predatory behavior. And it's always weird to, like, look back
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: after social change and just, like, the number of things
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: that people had to take for granted. I mean, even
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: when it just comes to, like, having phones thrown at
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: you when you were an assistant in that kind of
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: thing back in the 2000s. We all were just like,
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: that's part of the game. And it really does require
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: somebody to be like, you know, sexual assault is not
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: a necessary part of becoming a girl group.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: And I went, I remember the only really offensive thing, well,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: there's been a lot, but this one just was strange
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: because it came from a woman. So after I went,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: wrote on the Keenan Ivory Wayans late night talk show
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: for whatever, six months. And I was only 27. It
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: was a writer's guild job. So that was pretty good
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: that I got that. And so I go for some
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: other meeting. I don't know if it was a casting
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: or what, but it was a woman and I, and
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: she was probably like 10 years older than I am,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: or maybe a little bit older, but you know, attractive, whatever.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: And she's like, wait, what? You were writing for Keenan
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Ivory Wayans? And she's like, whose dick did you have
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: to suck to get that job? And I go, what?
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: She goes, no, seriously.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: And I was like, nobody's. Like, nothing. Like, all the,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: I've said over and over, all the guys, extremely respectful,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: nothing weird ever happened on any of those sets with
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: me and writing and nothing. And, but also I was like,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: does that mean, like, my agent who got me the job? Like,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: it was just, it was so diminishing, too.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: It's also like, like, let's take a moment to acknowledge
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: that Keenan Ivory Wines had multiple female writers at a
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: point in time where having multiple female writers on a
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: variety show like that was not normal and like that's
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: very impressive but also this person who's just sort of
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: reflecting back this idea that like the only way you
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: could have gotten that job was that and there's that
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: Ghislaine-y energy of women who were like the way I
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: can move through this system like if it's going to
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: be a transactional system I'll you know move people around
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: and facilitate this stuff, um, you know, uh, to get ahead.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: And it's like, it's weird because as somebody who's not,
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: not directly affected by these things, part of me is like,
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: that's so sad. That's so horrible. How could people participate
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: in that? And also acknowledging that like, it was the
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: only way to move through that system as a woman.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: Like you, you like they do, doors were shut and
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: people were doing things to get through the doors and
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: they were gross things and i'm not saying they're okay
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: i'm just sort of saying like well that's that's how
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: it happened you know yeah i.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Mean wow okay well good for her um kim kardashian
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: cried on her latest episode of her reality show reflecting
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: on what she remembers howard stern talking about Her Paris robbery,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: because during the season that's up right now, she's actually
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: going to trial for the men that robbed her that
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: were actual professional, like older French, like, you know, jewel
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: thieves and things.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: And it took a very long time for her for
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: the trial to come, but it was coming. So she's
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: reflecting on it. And she's like, I just remember, you know,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Howard Stern mocking it and saying that, you know, it
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: wasn't real. So then Howard talks about it and is like, well,
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: luckily this show is taped. So let's just see what
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: her memory is. You know, is it right? And then
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: they show him and he, you know, he says that's
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: what people are saying, that it's not real and everything.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Which I get that. Both of them are right. She
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: has a right to be hurt by it. He said
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: what he said.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's just such... The Kardashians are such a
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: weird thing because they have made a huge amount of
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: money off of being cultural objects, but also how much
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: are we allowed to say, like, they're not people and
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: I don't have to worry about their feelings because they
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: are these things. It's like we're trying to come to
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: a point where we are more able to acknowledge people's humanity,
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: but like.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Well, it was a good joke that he said. Robin
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Quivers says, she's like reading the thing, the info, and
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: she says, and, you know, they put her in a
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: bathtub and they took all her jewels and, you know,
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: security was with the sisters at a nightclub and there
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: were no surveillance cameras or whatever that caught anything. And,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: you know, he made some joke like, yeah, the one
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: time that cameras aren't following the Kardashians. And so I
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: think that's where she... And it's like the way your
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: memory is, it's not 100% accurate, but it was hurtful.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Well, especially about something traumatic.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was hurtful. So it's like she has a
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: right to remember it as being hurtful, and it was.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: My question is, when will Kim be brought to justice
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: for the crimes against acting that she is committing on
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: All's Fair?
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Well, since we're going to talk about that, how much
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: have you watched?
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: I watched the first episode. I haven't watched any more.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: I've watched like the first two and a half and
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: sort of fell asleep. And I keep telling myself I
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: need to go back because it is so ridiculous. Like
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: I might, you know what? I have a fun weekend
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: plan with attorney Shannon McDonald Goldstein.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: And we're going to have like sister slumber time in
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Laguna for two nights. So I think she's who I
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: need to watch it with. That's what I'm going to do.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: But the acting is like.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: I just wish the writing were a little juicier.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: Well, someone.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: The writing is so ridiculous and it's so dirty yeah
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: and it's like you come bucket you know like things like.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: That can i tell you a somewhat juicy story yes
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: please so my my best friend who is a drama
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: writer was an assistant and a like older respected award-winning
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: writer who is friends with Ryan Murphy and everything like
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: that was like hey do you I would love to
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: work with you on your career would you like to
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: come to Palm Springs with me and he was like
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: no I will not go to Palm Springs with you
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: because he understood what was being offered and then after
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: this guy had moved along from my friend he moved
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: along to another guy who said yes and who is
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: the creator of All's Fair along with him and Ryan
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: Murphy and was the creator of one season spectacular, Dr. Odyssey.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: And it is just like, the question is like, as
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: we have a larger conversation about, you know, transactional sex
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: in this business, it is, what do we do about
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: the people who made it work for them?
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: And what do we do about the people that are,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: open up their phone to the Deadline article and regret
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: That they didn't hop in their car and go down
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: the 10 for two hours.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: And the thing is, let me say a couple of things.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: I don't know that any of this is true. I
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: am just reporting rumors.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Allegedly.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: Allegedly. These are rumors that I have heard. But also,
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: and more importantly, I'm not criticizing anyone for transactional sex.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: I think that that's an important and beautiful part of
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: the queer community. I just wish that he were a
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: better writer.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow. Well, I invite people to my house, which
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: is basically Palm Springs, and it's not going to help
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: anyone's career.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: We are going to go. We are going to get drunk.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: We are going to go dance at the nest. We
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: are going to have a cute lunch on El Paseo,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: and we're going to float in the pool and watch
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: All's Fair on the outdoor TV. That's what's happening at
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: my house. Just speaking of this, this is kind of funny.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: This just came from TMZ. Zach Woods, hilarious rant he did.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: All about Quentin Tarantino. Did you see it?
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: Yes, but he has just been like left and right
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: killing it. His thing about the Riyadh Comedy Festival was
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: so funny. I actually saw him. I was at the Americana.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: He's a comedian and an actor.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: Okay. I saw him at the Americana and like he
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: was coming out of the bathroom and everyone was high-fiving
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: him because he had just done a video making fun
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: of the people who were going to the Riyadh Comedy Festival.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: So like his Instagram is really the place to be.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: So basically Quentin Tarantino went, I believe, on Howard Stern.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: And again, minimized Roman Polanski, who was convicted of full essay,
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: a 13-year-old girl. Yes. And hence why he lives in
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Romania or wherever he is. France, I think.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: What?
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: Is he in France?
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know. And he basically was like, well, I mean,
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: it was, yeah, it was consensual, but she was 13.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Whatever he says, he downplayed it somehow. So then he
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: went off of him and he basically, in my opinion,
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: without saying P. Diddy, but it reminded me that Quentin
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Tarantino is a little P. Diddy-ish in that he puts
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: himself in his films and nobody wants to see him
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: in his films and nobody wants to see, you know,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: and so he criticizes his looks and stuff. But he's
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: so eloquent in his snark and his way. It's pretty brilliant.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: But I don't understand him coming. What did Paul Dano
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: do to him? Like, people were saying, like, oh, he
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: must have just said, Paul Dano must have, like, turned
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: down one of his movies or something. But him being
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: so emphatic that Paul Dano is the worst actor working
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: is just such a.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: That's what Quentin Tarantino said?
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah, it was weird. It was weird. He's, you know,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: people are weird. With everybody on podcasts, everyone is just
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: getting themselves in trouble.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: I didn't hear about the Roman Polanski stuff, and I was, like,
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: slightly happy. It was like, oh, if Quentin Tarantino is
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: going to, like, do something stupid, at least this is, like,
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: him beefing with some, you know, like, some actor and
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: not him doing something, like, actively terrible and creepy.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's... Yes, he's... Maybe that could have been
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: an older conversation about Roman Polanski.
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: But I just remember it, so I'm just trying to
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: put it together. Jen Shaw is out of prison. She
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: was a real housewife of Salt Lake City. She did a...
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: An elderly scam, a vulnerable people scam, and... Andy Cohen
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: has emphatically said on his shows she will not be
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: back on The Housewives. And people are like, my God,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: you know, we've had other criminals in The Housewives, multiple arrests, DUIs,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: you know, Teresa Giudice, all this other stuff. Why wouldn't
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: she come back? And people also think it might be
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: because Andy recently was a victim of a crime.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: Oh, what was the crime?
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: He went on the Today Show to warn people about it.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: It was pretty interesting. He lost his bank card. He
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: got a call saying like, you know, this is the
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: bank and all the things. But it's so sophisticated now
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: that even the person then calls back the next day
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: and says, Just know we would never ask for your
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Apple ID, this, that. They did successfully get money out
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: of his account. And he's like, I've warned my own
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: parents about this stuff. I feel like how could I
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: have fallen for it too? But so basically he was like,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: if anything ever happens, if your bank ever calls and
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: you've like lost your account or it's about transferring accounts
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: or reinstating a card. Just get in your vehicle and
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: go to your bank. Walk into your bank yourself. And
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: I thought that was really good advice. Hang up the
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: phone and go to the bank.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, they are closing all of their local branches, but...
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, about this.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: I know it is so hard.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: There is something different between like, oh, they didn't pay
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: their taxes or it was something like that. And something
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: that was like.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Actively, yeah.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: Legitimately predatory. And it's like.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: And she was.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: She was.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: I'm not looking to have her come back on anything myself.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: Look, she was good TV.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: I didn't like her screaming and her weirdness, so I
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: don't miss her on the show. I think the cast
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: is great right now, so I don't want to see
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: her back. But she can go on like Traitors or something.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: I've only seen half of season one. It gets better.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: You could just pop in right now.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: No, I have to. I'm a completist.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Okay. Good for you. Meredith Marks, she's a Real Housewife,
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: and she's now a DJ.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, thank God.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: And I just want to say. With all the, you know,
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Tom Sandoval is now, he got rid of the karaoke
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: band and he's just doing Vanderpump Trivia.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: Oh, good for him.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: And I mean, it's a smart, easy way with a
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: higher profitability, you know. You know, Luann is scaling down
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: her band and she's doing more Q & A with
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: like one or two songs. This DJ thing. could be
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: the most genius thing. We don't know. First of all,
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: she's hearing impaired.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: So we, like all of a sudden, I just think
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Brooks or somebody was like, you should just be a DJ, mom,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: because all you have to do is just pretend. We'll
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: put the track.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: And also like, Gay guys will be so thrilled in Charleston,
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: South Carolina. What else do they have going on?
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just a fun dance night of drinks
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: and you're around people that are familiar with Bravo. It's
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: like going to a sports bar. It's a good idea.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: It's like it always makes me sad that James Kennedy
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: was like the one person to figure out a lucrative
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: gig from all of those people.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: But then he got a little violent with his girlfriend.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: That's why.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: I was going to say. That the now-Roy D. James
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: Kennedy should be brought back for the Vanderpump with the
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: new class, but not after that.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: That's not okay. No, they're not going to. There's nobody
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: that got a spillover because not even that other guy
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: that was the manager.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: But you and I need to figure out other– because
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: they saturate the same areas. Everyone's trying to launch an
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: alcohol campaign. and then you have Jen trying to do
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: an elder scam, and that was not the right answer,
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: but we need to figure out those other businesses that
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: these women could go into to really.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: Make some money because it is to me sad.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: I think DJ is the way to go. DJ is
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: a way to go because there are real DJs that
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: really can do it, but you could fake it. Yeah.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: You could fake it easier than anything. You could fake
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: it easier than lip syncing. You could fake it easier
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: than podcasting, dancing, writing a book, ghostwriting, all of it.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: There's nothing easier, in my opinion, to fake than the DJ.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: But there is something nice when you have somebody who
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: is like a demographically interesting DJ, like, I've always said
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: the best nights of my life are created by like
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: trans male DJs or lesbian DJs who are just like,
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: know when the Fleetwood Mac should come in and, you know.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Right, I mean, listen, you know, I saw Kyle Cook
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: from Summer House. I thought he played great music. I
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: was on a high. I had a great time. I
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: think a DJ is a really good time. When I've
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: seen her DJ, it'll be like her being like, the
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: rumors about the husband. And then like, it's her voice
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: going over and she's like.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: But like, you and I are two of the greatest
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: cultural critics of our time. And I think you and
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: I are able to figure out those jobs that they
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: can do easily. It's like the thing, One of my
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: great observations, if I do say so myself, is that
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: cooking show requires a greater level of sincerity than just
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: about any other job in media. And it really is
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: only the great Valerie Bertinelli who is able to like
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: go into that territory and like pull it off. And
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: I think figuring out the things like what could Sonya
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: do that she would be able to like just absolutely destroy.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: And it really is hard. You know, they used to
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: try to like, these ladies can't host a morning show.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Well, like a drunken moment, falling off of a stool
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: and having Bethany pick you up after you say, I'm
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: going to, and then you fall off the pool. Those
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: moments that make you iconic on a housewife show doesn't
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: make for a 90 minute live show. It's like a
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: completely different thing. So yeah, you have to figure out
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: what that is and just a pop in to a fun,
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: like gay bar and just take a bunch of photos
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: and have your track play and dance around and, pretend
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: like you actually know how to like screw the things.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: It's the smartest thing. And she sells caviar.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Good for her. I think it's great. And I, you know,
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: I just love, I love how it came about where
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: she's like, So I was talking to Brooks, my son,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: and he says DJing is what I should be doing.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: And I say, you know what? I'm a lawyer. I'm
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: a jeweler. I'm a caviar concierge. And now I'm a DJ.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: Perfect. Brooks was such a great innovation that we went
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: that far into the Real Housewives universe before someone was
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: smart enough to have a teenage gay son. Like, brilliant.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: I've been praying for it.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: And it finally— and I've met him in person.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: Oh, really?
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: Skin, like— Milk, scrolling down, a peach.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: Adorable. Yes.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: Who, like, of the famous people, of the famous gay
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: guys you have met, who was most thrilled to meet you? Who,
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: on whom are your powers most powerful?
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, I can't even think. Nobody.
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: Sticks out. Whoever, like.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: You are adored by many gays. Look, as somebody who
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: is adored by many brunette women, I'm able, you know.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: I'm afraid, more afraid, that there's one or two out
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: there that I disappointed when they came up to me.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, yes.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: Where I wasn't as... gracious and lovely and i might
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: have just been like oh hi that was not enough
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: so that's a problem too.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: Heather i don't know that people are showing up for
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: grace gracious and lovely like you might have disappointed on
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: gracious and lovely but you're not disappointing on i have
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: hard takes on popular culture and that's what i'm showing.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: Up for listen i will talk to you i'll ask
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: questions i can dance with you and everything but also
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: if i'm waiting in line to get a drink yeah
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: that's the priority Just like I'm waiting to go from
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: the 101 to the 405, I really don't want you
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: cutting in front of me. I also might cut in
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: front of you and act like I just moved here
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: and I didn't know the freeway was coming. I have
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: a whole backstory because I do feel guilty about doing it,
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: but sometimes I have to go right to the end.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: And then I'm like, what? How did this first get here?
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: And then I just get in there.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: You use action class techniques internally.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: And to tell myself, like, that is such a dick move, Heather.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: You don't like it when people do it. Now you're
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: doing it to you. And then I'm like, does this
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: person recognize me in the car? Will they do a
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: TikTok about it?
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, it is an interesting thing. When somebody, like,
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: comes up to your eye and knows who we are,
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: it is that thing of, like— I think they are
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: getting a very honest experience and that may not be.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: What they want. Sometimes it could be the most lovely thing.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Sometimes you could be distracted. Sometimes you think you gave
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: them a lot, but it wasn't enough because you all
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: of a sudden something pops up and you see a
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: comment and you're like, I do remember meeting you. I
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: thought it was nice. I'm sorry. It wasn't nice enough.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: Like, and then you have to be like, I can't
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: please everybody. Um, Vanderpump rules talked a little bit about that. Uh,
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: On one report, I heard that it was the highest
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: rated show on Peacock the day after, which you have
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: to watch the Bravo stuff the day after on Peacock.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: But then there was another report saying that people who
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: actually watched it on Bravo, as it came out, that
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: the numbers were extremely low. But a lot of people
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: don't have Bravo anymore, you know?
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: I worry that there are no stars anymore.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: I worry.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: And the thing is, for a show like this, it
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: takes some time for you to build up and actually
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: get to know who the people are. They're working off
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: of the structures of the original show very significantly. I
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: like that this time, the Tom, the beta model, is
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: the one who is the Jax. But it's like, ultimately...
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: The collection of mental illnesses that is Jax Taylor is,
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: you know, lightning in a bottle.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: You're not coming back to the Valley.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: What's going to happen?
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: He's getting divorced.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: He lost the restaurant.
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: Oh, really? That's sad.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: He's not part of the restaurant. I don't know if
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: he's still doing his Mind of a Man, whatever, podcast.
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: He's not a stable person.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: Hopefully he'll get stable and then he can like make
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: some appearances as co-parent back on the show just because
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: I want him to make an income for Britney.
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, Britney has some commercials out.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: Britney's doing great.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: But like ultimately I think the real question is it's
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: about tendons. It's about connective tissues. It's about Sheena Shea.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: And the thing is, is like at this point in time,
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: a couple of episodes in, I don't know which of
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: those people would have the capacities of a Sheena Shea
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: to like keep the story going and shift from every
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: part that you need to in it. Like it's weird
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: that we're back at a point in time where they're
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: pretending that they care about their music and their modeling
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: and everything like that. Also, I got to say like,
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: it's like, it's the year of our Lord 2025 and
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: it's real white. And like at least original Vanderpump had
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: like 17 people who you found out were Latino three
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: seasons in.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: Do you think, I agree with that, all of that.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: I love that. Three seasons in. Should Sheena Shea, for
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: her mental health, should she watch this? Should she not
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: watch this show? Where she was the person that made
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: the show exist because she was having the affair with,
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: had an affair with Brandi Glanville's husband. And that was
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: where the spinoff happened. And she chose not to do
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: The Valley because, And now people are saying, who's the
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: Sheena Shea? How do you think she should conduct her life?
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: In the song, I Enjoy Being a Girl from Flower
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: Drum Song, there is a lyric, like a filly who
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: is ready for the race. And Sheena Shea, Eason has
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: always been a filly who is ready for the race.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: And the thing is, there are times when that becomes sad.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: Like when she is talking about how much she wants
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: to do Dancing with the Stars and we feel sad
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: for her that Ariana gets it and Ariana doesn't really care.
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: The thing is, is like, as someone, as an outsider
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: and an older person, I'm able to look at Sheena
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: Shea and be like, baby, you're going to be doing
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: this forever. You are like, this is a marathon for you.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: This is not a sprint. And these children may be
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: on a television show for a season or two, but
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: like the traders will come for you, young lady. I mean,
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: watching Rachel Zoe walk into Real Housewives of Beverly Hills,
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: I was just like, of course, you know, like, This is,
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: this fits, this works.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: In a calf town, I die.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: I die.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: And like Sheena, like there will always be a place
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: for her. There will always be things for her to do.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: And I know that like the immediacies of where is
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: my income right now is a thing. And I also
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: understand the like, God, but I want to be doing
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: my craft, you know? And I think Sheena Shay is
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: the rare person for whom this is a fucking craft,
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: you know?
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: I know. That's why she's got to, something else has
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: got to come for her. Let's talk about the story
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: that has everyone talking.
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: Did you watch any of this?
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, I did.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: What did you think?
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: I did the Cliff Dope version in which I went
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: to TikTok.
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: And I typed it in because I knew I just
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: wanted to get to the steamy parts.
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: It's almost all steamy parts.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: Heated Rivalry is based on a book. And for the
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: people that read the book, they're extremely pleased with this adaptation.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: And it is an incredible idea for a show and
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: a book. which is it's two rival hockey players who
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: end up falling in love. So it's a gay romance
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: with sports and with incredible chemistry directing that has, no
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: matter what your sexuality is, you're like, What does this
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: mean I am? It's very juicy. And there's just juicy
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: stuff that happens in the story.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: Well, okay. So I've always been very weirded out by
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: the fact that so many of the YA gay romances
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: and so many of the, like, respectable literary fiction about
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: gay men comes from female writers and frequently straight female writers.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: And I felt weird about it. But then Jennifer Weiner,
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: who wrote, like, In Your Shoes and stuff like that,
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: she did a thing on her sub stack where she
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: was like, 90% of stuff that's, like, 90% of readers
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: are women. Women read books, and so this stuff is
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: going to be from women for women. In Japan, making gay,
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: porny comic books, manga, for women has been something that's
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: been going on for years. So it can be very female-focused.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: So we did a woman write this or not?
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: Yes, a bisexual woman wrote the book, but then the
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: showrunner is a comedy guy, a gay comedy guy who
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: made The show Letter Kenny, which is not for you,
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: but just very, very funny. And then this other show, Shorzy.
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: So like also I think having a comedy person be
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: in charge of it, you don't get some of the
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: like schmaltzy or sentimentality you can get from things like this.
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: And it really is like fun and poppy and good.
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: But like what level of sexiness did you see? Did
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: you see the hole touching?
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, because I don't think they can show that
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: on TikTok.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: I felt like I was doing something wrong just even
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: watching the TikToks. I felt like I needed to like
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: go to confession, but I kept seeing arched back.
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: And then I kept looking for the arched back scene.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: And I guess on TikTok, that's too sexy to show.
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: Well, and then also there is like a really good,
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: like on the face of the bottom when he is
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: being entered, that is like, good. And there's been some
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: controversy because like neither of these actors have talked publicly
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: about their sexuality. And the showrunner who is gay has
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: been like, you don't have the right to ask about that.
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: How do you feel about that?
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: Well, I saw some interviews with the two of them.
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: So they're accent free in that. Because one guy's playing
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: Russian and he's not Russian. And they got these sort
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: of matching tattoos. And the tattoos are awful, by the way. One,
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: the one who plays the Russian, it's a heart. Looks
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: like I drew it with a pen. A heart on
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: his calf that says sex cells. And then the other
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: one with the dark hair, he has sex cells just
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: written on his thigh. And they come off. honestly just
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: like they're really good friends.
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: I believe if they're not gay, they're definitely bi or
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: they enjoyed these acting scenes. So does this, will this
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: have like another, another season?
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know because they're like, they're like going through
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: time very, very quickly. Like it starts out in 2012.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: We're like going through years. And so I don't know.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: Why didn't we milk this out?
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: But here's the thing.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: It's so good. Like one gets married and one has
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: a kid.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: It was, It was made for Crave, which is a
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: Canadian cable network. And this is my important, I forget
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: whether I said this about Hunting Wives, but Hunting Wives
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: made us realize that the point of Netflix was to
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: allow us to watch a star's original series without feeling
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: guilt about it. And HBO has followed suit by letting
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: us watch a fucking Crave show and treat it like
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: it's HBO, you know?
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Because I was kind of like, okay. And I
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: knew that we wanted to talk about it. And so
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: I was like, I felt like, oh, my God, I
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: have a testimony. I didn't do my homework. So I
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: got the Cliff Notes, which is TikTok. And I definitely
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: get the vibe of it. And I definitely... appreciate and
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: the people talking about how sexy it was was women like.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: Yes but the thing is heather i would say do
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: yourself a favor wait until peter and the boys are
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: out of the house watch an episode like really oh
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: i am because it really is my friend riri made
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: the point that like with a show the question is
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: always like how much horny can you have and this
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: she called this is like 62% of scenes are horniness.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: Oh, and also, the best part is the villain is
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: the mom. Like, it understands fundamentally that the villain in
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: a gay story is the mom who is, like, trying
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: to make her son be all about his endorsements and
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: is going to be, like, upset but then fundamentally understanding,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: I'm sure, when her son comes out of the closet
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: to her.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: I'm excited. By the way, this might be the time that,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: in case anyone didn't know, I am related to a
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: very famous hockey player.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: Oh, really? Yes, I am.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: Who? Who?
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: Charles McAvoy of the Boston Bruins.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: How is he related to you?
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: He's my cousin.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: That's amazing, Heather. How did this never come up? I've
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: known you for 19 goddamn years.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: Because I don't want to be that braggy girl. But no,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: his dad.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: I know that your brother dated Penelope Spheeris.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: Famous comedy director. That is true, too.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: So his dad is my first cousin.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: Oh, wonderful.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: So his grandma and my dad were brother-sister.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: But I need to tell you, in the third episode,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: they go to two completely different characters, what I think
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: are two different books, where it's just a different closeted
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: guy in hockey who goes to this barista and falls
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: in love with him. And then the barista is like, oh,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: I'm dating a famous closeted person. Can I handle this?
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: And it's really sweet.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: The barista scene I saw where they're like, girl, that's cute.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you guys, that's what you're going to watch.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: How do you feel about Pamela Anderson on her year
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: of happy surprises of no makeup and letting her hair
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: go this Auburn curly style?
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: I love it. And I think that she is a
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: uniquely placed person. Okay, I do have to tell you,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: I have a weird opinion and energy about people who
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: leveraged hotness to become famous. And then as they get older,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: are like, it's not all about hotness. And I am
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: sort of like, well, that was what we bought you for.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: That is how you marketed yourself. And now you're weird
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: and mad that things are different. But also, she was
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: just so good in The Naked Gun. And she really is, like,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: part of her has always been boobs and hotness, but
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: also part of her has always been this extreme sincerity
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: and Canadian-ness. And.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: So it's funny that you said that because I was
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: with my friend Jacques, who was on the show Tuesday,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: and he's obsessed with this too, and he had a
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: similar take to yours.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: And I was like, well, first of all, she's doing
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: it for a movie, and she's utilizing the skincare partnership,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: and she has a hair product. And it doesn't mean
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: she's going to be this redhead forever. It's obviously not
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: as attractive as if she went blonde. I don't think
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: you need to get a facelift and all that stuff,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: but I do think you need to have– hair and
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: a look that, that makes you look the best without
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: plastic surgery is personally my, but I get it. But
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: I will say her whole thing with Liam Neeson, because
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: first when it happened that they were a couple and
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: talking about it, I was like, this is amazing. They
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: each have two boys. And then I was like, wait,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: was this bullshit for the show? And so in this
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: article on people, she finally says the truth, which is what,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: which was, we were just friends and, We hung out
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: one weekend. It sounds like that one weekend they did fuck.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: But she's like, I pruned his garden and we had
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: one little romance. And then we decided we were just
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: going to be friends after that. And then the press happened.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: So they didn't do anything while they were filming. They
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: had their one little rendezvous weekend or week. Decided they
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: would just be friends. He, you know, he's still significantly
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: older than her. He's like 70 and she's 56 or something.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: And then, or 58. And then, and then, so then
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: they played along that it was still happening for the camera.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: So it was like a half lie.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: I like that we still live in a Hollywood that
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: is capable of telling us lies. You know, like it's
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: very golden age here. And I have to say, the
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: color on that sweater is doing so much work in
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: that photo. It does look really good.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because she has beautiful, natural blue eyes. The reason she,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: I always say this, became so famous, I think, is
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: because it was a time, same with Farrah Fawcett, where
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: you couldn't just create big teeth.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: Or full lips. So if you... came out of the
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: womb and you had a fucking killer smile.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: You had a chance to jump ahead of other very
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: talented people that didn't have that good of a smile.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: And she had a perfect nose, perfect lips, perfect smile
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: without plastic surgery at a time when not everyone could
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: look like Pamela Anderson.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: I get annoyed when people who are already very famous
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: then go like, yay, body positivity. I love my curves.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: And like, There's one particular person who I'm like, yes,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: but you only got to be this level of famous
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: because you were hotter than I am.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: You'll have to tell me after.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: Well, speaking of which, you know, what's her name? Kate
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: Winslet is angry that, you know, why can't we just
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: age naturally and this and that? And I want. And
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: I want to say, you can. Emma Thompson, you've.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: Been in lots of movies with her. Have you seen
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: her recently?
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and what's great is if you want to go
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: that route, you should. You should get all the movie roles.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: And if you care more about waking up in the
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: morning and not having a wrinkly forehead, get your Botox
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: and maybe you won't have all those roles. And the
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: fact that Nicole Kidman can have both, don't be jealous.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, I also think it's really hard. She got
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: torn apart for her body after... Who?
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: Kate Winslet?
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: Kate Winslet. For what? People called her fat after Titanic.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: And that was so unfair. Oh, right.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: She was so not. Never.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: And the 90s were... Horrible. Yes.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: And early 2000s. Remember when they all thought Jessica Simpson
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: was obese because she wore a size 4 jean?
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: John Kerry's wife called Catherine Zeta-Jones fat.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: In Chicago.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: John Kerry, the politician?
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: Brand for president. Oh my God. No, like, it's truly
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: insane what people did and so I understand the mind
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: fuck about it.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: Well, did you see, you watched Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, right?
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: Did you catch the snark remark, I don't like it,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: that Erika Jayne said about Sutton?
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: No, what did she say?
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: She, Bose was like, I don't know about Sutton, you know, Slim,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: she said something like Slim Sutton or something like Slim Shady.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: She made something like Slim, And Erica goes more like
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: box because that's how she doesn't think that she has
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: like an hourglass figure or whatever.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: But also like, and Erica, we know where you've.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: Been on a Zephyr for four years and you can
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: stay on it for the rest of your life. And
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: you slim down after, you know, you don't, you don't
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: hit menopause and then suddenly have a skinnier body than
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: you ever did, which is why they are great.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: But then don't, no matter whether you're on it or not,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: it's just a rude thing to say because, you know.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: The people getting on GLP-1 drugs who were previously fat
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: and talked with pride about it and then now are
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: sort of like, I was a terrible person before. Now
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: I've got it all figured out. It's like, no. Now
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: you are paying money for a hormone to help you out. Like,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: please don't be critical of other people who aren't in
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: the same situation as you. I'm talking about Lizzo.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: How do you feel about Melissa McCarthy?
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, it's like, I think, well it's interesting
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: because there are these Gen X energies of be authentic,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: be who you are, but then the trans community has
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: done so much to open us up to the idea
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: of being who you want to be is your own authenticity.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: And as somebody who has broken a fair number of
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: chairs in my life and frequently goes to situations where
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: my body doesn't fit into them, the thing that happened
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: to me on the plane, I don't begrudge anyone doing
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: anything to be able to move through this world a
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: little bit easier, to be able to fit into clothes
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: a little bit easier.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: Good for you you know i i totally agree and
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: you're right if why why is it that we have
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: a we don't have a problem if someone wants to
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: change their whole sexual identity well.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: Those people do run into some problems well.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: I do but i'm saying like there's the same people
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: that are embracing that i'm just saying hypocrisy same people
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: that are like you go you know girl are like
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: oh please she took a shot yes It's like everyone
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: has an opinion.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: Well, it's because people love to moralize about fatness and
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: people love to believe that their own lack of fatness
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: is because they are a virtuous person. And I did
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: it the right way by being sensible. She's just taking
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: a shot. And it's like, in All About My Mother,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: the Pedro Almodovar film, there's a moment where one of
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: the trans characters says, I think the more you are
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: the person you imagine yourself to be, the more authentic
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: you are. And I think that that's a beautiful idea.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I really think that the fact that people...
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: that may, you know, struggled their whole life and was
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: seen even as this castable character.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: Because of their body type.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: And now that is no longer them.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: But they look great in a cat suit and can like,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: I think that's fascinating. And I think it's very interesting
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: to hear people that are now you know, a completely
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: different look and it's attainable and it didn't take surgery
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: and it's not them weighing their chicken and things like that.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: And so, but I said, like, that's going to be
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: interesting what it's like for them to now this new
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: life that they have. And I just saw they're doing
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: a show. Are you somebody that lost an enormous amount
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: of weight and are now getting ready to date?
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: And how that would be You know, kind of like
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: after the biggest loser kind of a life where you're
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: going to most likely stay this.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: I thought you were going to say it was people
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: who were having to like go through obstacle courses to
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: win skin removal surgery. That's the show that I want
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: to see.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. That is so good.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: Kate Winslet. I mean, she's like hitting that point. I mean,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: Goldie Hawn said it in First Wives Club. They're your
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: hot piece of ass DA or driving Miss Daisy. Those
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: are the three ages that a woman can be. And
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: like she is running into a point where I'm sure
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: that there are fewer roles for her. Like fewer exciting
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: things for her to do. And that's hard. And it
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: is sort of this question.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: But you should embrace that too. I mean, you know,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: Reese Witherspoon cried about it and she bought a foreign
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: production company in which she bought all the best books.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: So she can either produce it, be in it, whatever.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: It's true. It's like life changes and no one is
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: guaranteed anything. And to hear like big stars boohoo about it,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: whether you're a woman or a man or, you know,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: I'm thin now and now I'm not getting the roles
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: or I'm this size and now I'm not getting them
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: or I'm white and I'm not getting the roles or
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: I'm black. I'm not getting the role. It's like, Nobody
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: wants to hear you bitch about it. It's like, no
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: one feels sorry for you.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: There is also the thing of like, to what extent
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: am I expected to manipulate my body to continue to
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: do this craft that I do is something that is weird. Like,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: you know, it is like so many of the women
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: 50 or older, like, you know, have had stuff done
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: to keep going. And it is also weird because it
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: also makes them kind of, to some extent, not look
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: like most women their age in America. And, you know,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: I think that that is interesting or like when it
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: comes to castability.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: A lot of stars, when they're playing the role, they
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: let the Botox and everything deplete. They play the role
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: where they're like, I'm going to get you little lady,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: you know, and then they get the Oscar nod.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: And they plan it out. Inject me. Three to four
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: weeks before the Oscars.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to drink. I'm going to do the shot.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: And then they look great on the red carpet. And
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: I think that's perfect. That's having the best of both worlds.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: There are times when we went to Australia with Chelsea Lely,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: I remember seeing women in their 50s and 60s who
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: were healthy and athletic and had not had work done
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: and had their natural color of hair. And it was
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: really inspiring and beautiful. But ultimately, we are Angelenos. And
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: we are used to... You know, people getting a little
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: here and a little there.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: I like a little here and a little there. Yeah.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: I color my hair. Yes. I, you know, wear makeup.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: I like to look as cute as I can for
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: as long as I can.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: And.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: How many potions are you putting in your morning beverages?
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: Are you ever... are we taking any collagen peptides? Are
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: we taking?
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: I am, bub. I believe they're a sponsor. And I
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: just started. I'm very, I'm very, I don't do, I
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: haven't done any of the hormones and the pellets and
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: all that stuff.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: Though I'm freaked out that I haven't because everyone says
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: I'm insane not to.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: So I've had a very, not a horrible time with
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: it all.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: Heather, I just realized.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: The greatest part of getting older is not getting your period.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: If you had something five days a month for the
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: last 40 years of your life, It is the greatest thing.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: It is just such testament to the fact that you
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: and I don't talk to each other enough. And when
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: we talk, we have things to talk about that I
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: was like, God, I have no idea where Heather is
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: on that journey.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: The journey is pretty great. It hasn't been too bad.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: You know, just the cost of tampons, not having a tampon.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: being with your kids and having them say what's wrong.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: And then Brandon, and I'm like, Drake, I just need
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: to get a tampon. And Brandon being like little, like
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: what's a tampon. And then Brandon Drake being like, it's
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: like a bandaid for your vagina. And I'm like, watch
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: your brother. Cause I need to run to the bathroom.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: Like all those times, like it's such a fucking nightmare
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: and guys will never, uh, understand it, of what it does,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: and that it's embarrassing. God forbid it shows in your
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: clothes and someone has to tell you and you're embarrassed.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: Embarrassed of what? Embarrassed that you fucking have a uterus.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: There's nothing to be embarrassed of. But we do.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: The Seinfeld had a bit about making fun of detergent
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: commercials that say getting out bloodstains. Who has bloodstains? Are
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: you a murderer? It's like, Jerry Seinfeld, do you never
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: talk to your girlfriend? Do you have no idea? And
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: then a joke I tried to work out forever is
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: how much I loved that, like, women being embarrassed of
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: sanitary products turned them all into close magicians. Just in
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: high school, every, like, girl had to be like, is
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: this your tampon? Like, just sort of the, like, you know, the, like,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: secret laser.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: No, it'd be like, are you packing?
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: Which does not mean a handgun. Yeah. Um, the entire,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: the amount of times that you have to like, I
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: had to make a thing of tissue and you know,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: it's crazy. It's crazy that it's not free.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: It's crazy that there isn't some program that if you,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think if you go to places, I
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: don't know. I don't even know. I don't even know
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: what people do that can't afford it because it's fucking expensive.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: And when I run for president, um, There is going
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: to be free sanitary napkins everywhere. There would be times
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: if you didn't have a quarter to put it in
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: the machine. Too fucking bad.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: Heather, I just want to say, if in the next election.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: That I'm running?
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: No, no, no. I'm saying ladies and gay guys who
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: watch too much reality television are suddenly the demo to
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: go after. and you are the next Call Me Daddy,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: who has to interview the presidential candidates, I will be
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: very excited. But I will call her and say, you
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: have to ask a hard-hitting question if you have them on.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: You have to ask one hard-hitting question if you have
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: them on.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: I'll just have big cards and I'll be like, so
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: you were a Girl Scout. And you sold the least
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: amount of cookies. Tell me a little bit about that.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: I'm dead. I'm dead.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: I'm in awe.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, stop. You only sold three boxes? What made you
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: keep going in the fifth grade? See, is that a
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: good enough hard-hitting question?
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 3: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, we're going to tell everybody where they can find
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: Guy Branum's live show, Say It Again. You said it before,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: Say It Again.
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  Speaker 3: So, yeah, I'm doing Be Fruitful. When does this come out?
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: Tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: Thursday.
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  Speaker 3: So on Sunday, December 14th, I'm doing it in LA
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: at the Lyric Hyperion. And then I'm doing it at
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: Philly Mocha on December 17th at Union Stage in DC
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: on December 18th. And then December 19th, second show because
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: I sold out my first show at Union Hall in Brooklyn.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: So come to my show. It's very, very funny. And
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: all the emotions.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: So funny. So smart. And just a good time. And
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: a loving person.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: Thanks so much. Oh, and what, please follow me on Instagram.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: I'm at Guy Branum and TikTok at Guy Branum Comedy. So,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: you can see what the old gays remember that Heather
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: hasn't watched yet. But Heather, you are the inspiration for
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: it in so many ways.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: I did see that you hit 100,000 followers. And that's
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: because when you found out, maybe I should put a
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: little more effort into this thing called Instagram.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: You took off.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: Yep. That's why.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: That's what I like about you. You set your sights
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: on something. And no, very, very funny content. Please follow
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: Guy Brennan. Of course, for me, heathermcdonald.net. Thank you for
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: my Patreon and everything else. Happy Merry Christmas.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: Bye.
• 1:19:32
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