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Ep. 9 - Is Satan My Landlord? · Martyr's Row

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  St. Mark was born of Jewish parents of the tribe
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  of Levi. He is supposed to have been converted
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  to Christianity by Peter, whom he served as an
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  amanuensis and under whose inspection he wrote
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  his gospel in the Greek language. Mark was dragged
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  to pieces by the people of Alexandria. at the
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  great solemnity of Serapis their idol, ending
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  his life under their merciless hands. Hey, Steven.
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  Have you ever heard the word amanuensis before?
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  I'm not sure I've ever seen it. It kind of looks
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  like ammonia. Yeah, it looks like a prescription.
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  I actually had to look it up, how to pronounce
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  that word. Did you look up the meaning of it?
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  Yeah, it basically means someone who's like a
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  writer. He basically dictates for him. Oh, that
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  makes sense. Yeah. So it's like, so he wrote
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  his gospel under, it says under the inspection.
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  And by he, you mean Mark. Mark. Mark's gospel.
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  St. Markalus. St. Markalus. Why does that feel
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  right? Of Levi. Of the tribe of Levi. Yeah, true.
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  Why does that feel right? I guess that's more
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  Greek. Markalus. That's his Roman name. Yeah.
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  It's a Greek name, right? It's a Greek name.
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  Marcheopolis. Marcheopolis. This is the part
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  where you strike by lightning. He's from the
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  Boston Marcheopolis, or Archeopolis. Oh, man.
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  That's awesome. No, yeah, so it looks like...
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  Yeah, so basically, like, his writing came from
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  Peter, or at least was under the inspection of
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  Peter. Right. He was like, oh, let me just write
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  it down. And Peter, like, the first... Pastor.
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  Yeah. That feels weird. It's weird not calling
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  him apostle. Like, technically, you're right.
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  Yeah, but not really, though. I feel like all
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  of the disciples were apostles, not necessarily
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  pastors. Yeah, I mean, because that's not really
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  like a concept. I guess he's the pastor in Jerusalem,
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  though. Yeah. Peter. Yeah. But he's kind of like
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  the pastor to the apostles. Yeah. It's a lot
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  of P's. Use the head guy. The head honcho. Yeah,
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  true. Yeah, I've never heard that word before,
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  nor have I ever seen it before. I don't think
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  I probably will again unless I read this book
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  again. Yeah, we just need to up the ante on our
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  words. You know what? That's the interesting
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  thing. It's funny that we just talked about another
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  word recently in the lab. Oh, did we? In one
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  of our other episodes. That makes sense. So it's
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  funny that we're back here on words. Yeah, because
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  there's something like Fox's Book of Martyrs
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  written 1500s, which we've said probably seven
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  times now, is like it is cool to go back and
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  look at the wording. Yeah. Because it's not like
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  old English. It's just a different word. Yeah.
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  And it's words that we don't use anymore. Right.
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  And so I guess it makes me wonder, it's like,
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  has our vocabulary shrunk or is it just changed?
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  Well, I wonder if, I've never had this thought
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  before, but I wonder if because English is becoming,
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  like American English is becoming a dominant
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  language around the globe, if it's had to simplify
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  in order for other people and other languages
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  to use it. Like I wonder, I actually haven't
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  thought about that before. That's an interesting
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  thought. It's funny because I feel like English
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  gets, especially American English, gets made
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  fun of a lot. Yeah. But everybody speaks it.
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  Because it's dumb. Yeah. It's simple. Yeah. And
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  it's a little bit complicated, but that's more
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  like the art form of the language. Yeah, but
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  in the ways that it's complicated, it doesn't
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  matter to communicate. That's true. Yeah. So
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  there's like, yeah, I hadn't really thought about
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  that. But I think that kind of makes sense that
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  it's gotten more and more simplified in order
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  for it to be a common language. Yeah. So because
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  realistically, if we said like what language
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  is going to be the universal language, the arrogant
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  American would say American English. Yeah. But
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  the fact is, is that there's way more people
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  that speak Chinese. Well, yeah, as far as a mass.
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  However, almost everybody that speaks Chinese
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  also speaks English. They're also from the same
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  country most of the time. That's true. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Yeah. So it ends up being more isolated.
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  Yeah. But if all the people that speak. But I
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  think in a global sense, there are more people
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  that do speak some form of English. Yeah, or
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  can understand it, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so maybe
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  that's why, just over time, words like, well,
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  how do you say it? Emanuensis. Yeah, I always
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  want to think Emmanuel. Yeah. Emanuensis. It's
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  kind of, it's a, yeah. Yeah, I'm trying to think
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  of what it sounds like. I think one of those,
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  because it, I usually am. because of my latin
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  background in in high school because of my latin
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  so let me just uh adding adding in high school
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  helps yeah it humbles me because you realize
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  like yeah i studied latin but it was in high
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  school i don't i didn't care right the same way
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  i studied spanish in high school yeah and don't
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  i can't do it Yeah. Hola. I don't know. I don't
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  think we should do that. No. I just go right
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  to Dory the Explorer. Yeah. Or you just went
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  to the only Spanish word that everybody on the
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  earth knows. That everyone knows. Yeah. Which,
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  again, makes sense. Hey, it works. Because everyone
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  just understood you. They know what it means.
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  Yeah. But your Latin background? Yeah. One thing
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  it's helped me with is I can find root words
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  in a lot of stuff most of the time. That makes
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  sense. It makes it helpful in that. It's a good
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  dead language to learn. Yeah. But this one, I'm
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  like, I don't even know where to begin with that
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  one. Well, and if you're Catholic, it's really
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  helpful. Yeah, that's true. I guess, though,
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  if you're— You'll be the only one there that
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  understands what the priest is saying. Yeah.
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  Well, and I don't know how many dioceses still
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  do. latin mass but some of them are mixed yeah
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  yeah but that is an interesting like idea and
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  concept that there is a like we call it a dead
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  language i guess because it's not in use but
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  it's still read from regularly yeah absolutely
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  but yeah that's a whole like the latin translation
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  the vulgate yeah jerome um how many more key
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  words can i say roman septuagint roman empire
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  yeah yeah Because that's where it's taken from.
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  And then what's the Greek Old Testament? The
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  Septuagint. The Septuagint. Yeah. I was right.
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  No humbling there. I was just telling my brain
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  on the inside. Like, you got it. From the outside.
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  I was correct. We just had that. Yeah. That was
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  verbal processing. Yeah. That's good. Dude, dragged
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  to death. Yeah. sorry to bring it down well i
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  think what's crazy is because i've made this
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  it's not really a joke but i've kind of said
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  it in a in a jokey way it's like i'm ready for
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  this died in like such horrible ways oh yeah
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  but i feel like it keeps getting worse yeah well
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  it's hard because like wasn't who was someone
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  bludgeoned yeah they like their they said their
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  brains were dashed out yeah that's awful that's
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  that's a i was that was matthias wasn't it yes
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  i think the reason why it's like it feels humorous
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  is because it's so grotesque. You kind of have
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  to. But it's so precise. Like Fox's Book of Martyrs,
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  it's like it's saying something really dense
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  and somewhat grotesque and also super informative
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  in like three sentences. And so it feels silly.
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  There aren't any adjectives around it. And he
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  died this horrendous death. And there's no setup.
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  It's just like, oh, and then drag to death. That's
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  how he died, by the way. Yeah. It's like, oh,
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  okay. Yeah. But like Marx is like, it's full
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  of stuff. Yeah. So that is something interesting
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  that like when you study, I think when I studied
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  in college, like who was Mark? Who wrote the
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  book of Mark? Who wrote the book of? That was
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  almost the melody. I don't think I know that
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  one, actually. It's Who Wrote the Book of Love.
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  I think because I just butchered the melody.
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  Oh, okay. Sorry. It's like a 1950s song. I think
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  it's in Back to the Future. I think that's why
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  I know it. Oh, really? Yeah, like when he goes
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  back to 1955. That's when they're playing it?
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  Yeah. Yeah. I need to watch that movie again.
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  Mr. Sandman's a big one. Anyways. Yeah. Yeah,
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  so Mark. So in his... Oh, what I was going to
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  say is, like, Mark is... I learned about the
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  history of who Mark was, but Fox's Book of Martyrs
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  would have been... Because it's written in the
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  15th century, there's history written into it
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  that I feel like I didn't really know. Like,
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  I didn't know that he was... So, Alexandria is
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  in Northern Africa, and Alexandria is really
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  important because... Almost all of the ancient
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  world's texts were in the library of Alexandria,
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  which was burned down. So like everything that
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  could have helped us understand the past was
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  burned down in the... Yeah, we've lost so much.
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  Yeah. Yeah. Because the library of Alexandria
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  was like the library of the ancient world. Yeah.
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  It was like a pinnacle of knowledge. Think how
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  cool that would have been. I know. But think
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  about how many languages you would have had to
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  be able to read. Oh, my goodness. Because it
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  probably would have had everything, like all
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  the Mesopotamian texts. It would have had Hebrew.
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  It would have had Greek stuff. It would have
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  had everything. I mean, that's when you have
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  stuff like the Rosetta Stone that helps inform
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  us into how to understand these languages so
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  we can get that information. Yeah, because I
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  actually just heard about near ancient Babylon.
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  And people have found... again, things like the
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  Rosetta Stone, where when a new language or a
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  new culture begins, there will be tablets or
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  pillars where it's like, this is the name that
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  this culture uses, and then now the new culture
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  comes in, so this name equals this name. Oh,
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  fascinating. And it's the same name, but it's
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  telling you English to Spanish. Oh, that's cool.
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  So same proper noun. but in both languages. That's
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  so interesting. Yeah, there's one in Babylon
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  that's interesting. Total side point. But that's
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  one of the things that I've found interesting
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  looking into other languages is that, especially
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  the older languages, in my brain, when you talk
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  about other countries, you think it's just going
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  to be the same word, but just said in that accent.
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  but then you know what i mean i do but then it's
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  funny because then a lot of these older nations
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  yeah older countries it's like they'll have a
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  completely different word right and it's like
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  where'd that even come from yeah it's like well
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  it makes sense at that time because it's like
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  sure yeah yeah because it you you think that
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  there's like one through line of like all languages
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  build off of latin right but it definitely doesn't
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  yeah and it's like oh like i'm thinking of Germany
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  right now but it's like even then it's like the
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  word the name for the country Germany isn't the
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  same in every language right you think not even
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  there it's like we call it Germany yeah they
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  call it Deutschland right and it's like oh that's
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  kind of weird right yeah just like how languages
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  are but sorry you made me think about that with
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  the pillars of like this equals this no and I
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  think that's like I think it's an interesting
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  because we started talking about it with like
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  the English the American English yeah but So
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  Mark is outside or in Alexandria. The Alexandrians
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  kill him. Yeah. In a very specific place, too.
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  Yeah. Oh, yeah. Basically in front of a temple
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  of their god. Yeah. And that god, I looked it
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  up. Did I tell you what it was? I don't remember,
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  but I remember you brought it up. Okay. Maybe
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  I should look it up again. Okay. But the interesting
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  thing about that—oh, it was Osiris. That's right,
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  yes. So it was—so that particular god, Serpus?
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  Serapis. Serapis was an evolution of Osiris,
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  and then, like, eventually Osiris evolves and—
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  Yeah, maybe we shouldn't get too much into that
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  on this part. I'd say that's a big weed to pull.
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  But it is interesting. It's funny because in
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  Alexandria, the Alexandrians killing Mark, who
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  wrote the Gospel of Mark, they probably just
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  wanted his book, to put it. Yeah. Maybe. No,
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  no way. Because he died because he was a Christ
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  follower. Come on, Paul. That's why we're here.
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  I was like, yeah, sure. You got me. I tricked
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  you. I baited you into the trap. I want to edit
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  that out. No, but I mean, but one of the biggest
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  ones is I feel like the one that you're most
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  excited about is just the fact that it just says
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  like basically Peter writes Mark. Yeah. But Mark
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  dictates it. Yeah. Which is like, that's kind
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  of cool. With ammonia. How do you say it? Emanuensis.
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  Yeah, yeah, there you go. Emanuel Emonia. Word
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  of the day. Emanuensis. And they did it for his
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  book. Emanuensis. Say that as many times as you
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  can. In your car, wherever you're listening.
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  Emanuensis. Just lock that where it is. And use
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  it whenever you can. And it basically means like
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  dictating. Yeah. Yeah. It should have said dictating.
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  Yeah, but, you know, it's. See, that phrase is
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  why American English is getting simpler and simpler.
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  Because they're like, why don't you just say
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  that instead? Yeah. So that's like, that's pretty
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  interesting because it means that Peter, who
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  is at all of these events, like Peter's the one
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  that denies Jesus. Peter's the one that says
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  he is the Christ, the son of the true living
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  God, is dictating to Mark, who writes the gospel.
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  Yeah. So like Peter doesn't. doesn't write a
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  gospel but technically he does he dictates it
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  through yeah to mark which honestly is kind of
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  a i think a a good point for the validity of
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  mark yeah because there are people that criticize
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  his gospel like well he wasn't one of the disciples
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  right and it's like well john fox our boy over
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  here yeah it's just like well no like he wasn't
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  But everything he wrote was from one of the disciples.
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  Yeah, he just slides it in there. Like, hey,
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  this is a really critical point. And it's like,
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  oh, okay, well, that adds a ton of validity to
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  it then. Well, not only that, he also starts
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  by saying that Mark is a Levite, which is of
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  a priestly tribe of the children of Israel. So
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  out of the 12 tribes, the Levites are the priesthood.
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  that would be the ones to essentially take care
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  of the scribes and the texts. So if anybody is
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  going to dictate for... He's actually the perfect
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  person. He is. Yeah, yeah. Historically, especially
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  in a Jewish context. Yeah. So it kind of makes
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  sense. Yeah. So I actually looked at the word
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  up too. So it's a little bit broader than just
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  dictation. So it's a literary or artistic assistant.
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  Yeah, true. Right? In particular, one that dictates
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  or copies manuscripts. Oh, so it's an identifier
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  of a person. Yeah. So it's a job title. Job title.
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  Yeah. Hmm. I know someone else with a job title.
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  Ooh. A little teaser. They have no idea what
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  I'm talking about. No. It could mean anything.
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  It's a teaser. That could just be me like digging
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  at you or something. I don't know. I'm unemployed.
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  Not true. But. I think it's time to sing. It
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  is time. I'm excited to hear what you have. Three,
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  two, one. And we're back. Welcome back. So this
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  has kind of evolved over time. And I think it
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  should like, I think we should just keep going
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  with it. That like every week is slightly different.
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  Because there was one week where we definitely
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  didn't have anything and never really found anything.
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  It just kind of happened. It just kind of slowly
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  fell apart over time. Yeah, I was like, okay,
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  we're done. It's silly. We're not getting anywhere.
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  So if you've been around for the early episodes
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  or if this is your first one, this is our theme
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  song, I guess. It's our journey to a theme song.
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  Okay. Are we still going to do that? Well, it's
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  funny because when I say that, it sounds like
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  we're building off of one idea. Yeah, it does.
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  But it's like we're bringing a new idea every
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  time. Okay. And I know one of, at least what
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  we said early on was like, we want to hear what
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  you guys think about it too. Kind of all part
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  of this songwriting journey. Right. Because there
• 18:36
  might be some like, that whole thing is terrible.
• 18:39
  There's a couple, definitely. Yeah. And there's
• 18:42
  a few where it's like, oh, there actually might
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  be something there. Yeah. And I think part of
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  it too is like, I think you and I both, I don't
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  know. It's like this juxtaposition of like, I
• 18:51
  do want to just like come fully in with nothing.
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  Yeah. But then there's a few times where it's
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  been like. No, I actually like songwriting. Yeah.
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  And I had a little bit of time. So, like, let
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  me see if something comes out. I think that's
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  great. And there was actually one where, like,
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  I don't know if it was the last episode or the
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  episode before, but where I just, like, wrote
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  this whole idea and sent it to you, and it sparked
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  what you made. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. But,
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  like, they never heard the idea I sent you. It's
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  still a mystery. Yeah. The pandex rest. Oh, yeah,
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  that's what it was called. I still laugh about
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  that. It makes me want to write a song called
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  Panda Express. Well, that's maybe next episode.
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  Oh, that could be. The Panda Express. The Panda
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  Express. Is Martyrs Row the Panda Express? Is
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  that how you get to Martyrs Row? On the Panda
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  Express? Too much Panda Express, you might be
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  on Martyrs Row. Oh, no. I don't think that's
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  how that works. No, it's not. That's what, like,
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  creative juices, get the creative juices flowing.
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  Yeah. I don't know if I even like that phrase.
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  Juices? Yeah, no, thank you. Yeah, so we were
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  talking about it this afternoon separately in
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  our own homes, or I think you were at a job or
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  something. Yeah. But I had a little bit of time,
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  and I was like, let me just dig into this idea.
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  So this episode. I literally have just the whole
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  song. I'm excited to hear it. I think this is
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  the first. No, no, I've done it before. Oh, okay.
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  You've had a whole song? I know you had a version
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  of chorus before. Oh, yeah, I guess. Yeah, that's
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  true. Yeah, but this is more complete. Yeah,
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  this is a full song. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah,
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  so I guess on this episode, this is more like
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  me showing you, I'm going to pitch you a theme
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  song. Let me put my producer hat on. And to be
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  honest with you, I feel like we need to start
• 20:56
  branching out genres. Instead of just emo. Because
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  we're like slowly, like the podcast is already
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  in a niche. Yeah. And like with the music we're
• 21:08
  choosing to write, it's like putting it more
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  in that niche. It's true. So, I don't know. We
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  need to just like bring a new instrument in.
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  Yeah. Well, I had chimes on a few episodes back.
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  That's true. That doesn't really do anything
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  though. Yeah, I should bring like a kazoo in
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  next time. Yeah. Just right off a kazoo. Full
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  drum set is still a good idea. That would be
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  fun. Yeah. We'll see. All right. You ready? I'm
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  ready. I hope I remember it because I wrote it
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  like three hours ago. All right. We honor you
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  on Martyrs Road. Those who came before, we honor
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  you on martyr's row. Those who came before, we
• 22:32
  honor you on martyr's row. Those who came before,
• 22:39
  we honor you on martyr's row. On martyr's row.
• 23:01
  Israel's birth to the first Christian church.
• 23:06
  God chose the faithful sons. Who gave up their
• 23:15
  lives, suffered and died. Following Christ who
• 23:23
  was raised to life. We honor you on martyr's
• 23:29
  road. I feel like I needed to clap. I tried to
• 24:04
  keep it like chill and not go emo because I really
• 24:07
  wanted to go. Yeah. More power chords. Yeah.
• 24:24
  That's the Blink -182, right? I just kept going
• 24:40
  all the way back into it. I've always been curious
• 24:42
  where that accent came from. Like the, the, the
• 24:45
  punk accent. Oh, it's like, it's like a big part
• 24:48
  of it was English. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah.
• 24:52
  It just, we all know you. Yeah. Yeah. Like the,
• 24:56
  um, black flag and stuff like that. Yeah. Maybe
• 24:59
  not black flag. One of the, the sex pistols did
• 25:02
  that a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Um, that makes sense.
• 25:04
  But then you have like, like the blink 182, like
• 25:07
  the, uh, Actually, that's really funny because
• 25:11
  the Orange County, like the Southern California,
• 25:17
  like open O sound is very similar to the English
• 25:22
  accent. Like when you sing it that way. Yeah.
• 25:26
  We honor you. You know what I mean? Yeah. We
• 25:30
  honor you. It's like there's a little bit of
• 25:32
  British in there, but it still sounds like that.
• 25:35
  It makes so much sense now. Yeah. So that's cool.
• 25:40
  I like that. Do we keep that one? I think we
• 25:42
  should keep that in the rotation. I was trying
• 25:45
  not to like make it a worship song because I'm
• 25:49
  not Catholic. I feel like the chorus kind of
• 25:51
  pulls it away from it. Okay, good. Like it heads
• 25:53
  there and it's like, oh yeah, remember it's not.
• 25:55
  Yeah, I just like a more pop phrasing came out.
• 25:59
  And so I was like, okay, this feels better. Yeah,
• 26:02
  yeah, yeah. I like that. Yeah. And I try not
• 26:04
  to, like, speak directly to God because then
• 26:06
  it would become a worship song. Then it would
• 26:07
  just be a worship song. Yeah, categorically.
• 26:10
  But, yeah. We honor you. Three, two, one. Our
• 26:17
  snaps are getting really good. I know. I think
• 26:19
  it's just the sync up. I think it is. Yeah. Yeah,
• 26:22
  there's a lot of things I want to say. i also
• 26:31
  feel like there's a there's part of this podcast
• 26:33
  where and i hope that these comments are there
• 26:35
  because i'm all for any comments that exist um
• 26:39
  what do they call isn't there isn't there like
• 26:42
  a thing that if you have more comments than views
• 26:44
  what's that called good yeah if you're watching
• 26:53
  this Tell us what that is. Comment and let us
• 26:57
  know. Comment four or five times. No, there's
• 27:01
  like a whole thing. Maybe it's comments over
• 27:03
  likes. But it's like being commented out or something
• 27:08
  like that. I don't know. It kind of ends up meaning
• 27:11
  that like... You started something. I know. Okay,
• 27:16
  a fun thing for this episode then is count how
• 27:20
  many times... Paul yawns. See, I told you. You
• 27:25
  made a joke. You're like, do you have them all
• 27:27
  out? And I was like, oh, no. He said the word.
• 27:29
  Here they come. The word triggers me. And I don't
• 27:32
  know why. That's good. But here's the thing.
• 27:34
  Here's what I've learned over my many years of
• 27:36
  being alive. Yep. Here it comes. When you're
• 27:41
  in a recording studio and you're tired, usually
• 27:45
  good things happen. There's going to be a great
• 27:49
  episode. And if you're not watching this, you're
• 27:54
  just listening to it, please watch it. I'm in
• 27:56
  tears right now. Also, if any of you have never
• 27:59
  watched it, please go back and watch it. You're
• 28:02
  going to be pleasantly surprised. But just the
• 28:05
  intro. Now you're just giving it away. Well,
• 28:11
  if they're this far in. That's true. They must
• 28:14
  have stumbled upon it by now. That's true. this
• 28:16
  could be your first episode and if that's the
• 28:18
  case then they'll be like oh that's what they
• 28:20
  look like yeah yeah well that that's actually
• 28:23
  a good point so like that's the other side of
• 28:25
  it is um yeah it's kind of like a book like you
• 28:29
  don't want to see the movie yeah yeah listen
• 28:31
  if if you really like this podcast um first of
• 28:37
  all thank you um yeah we're having a lot of fun
• 28:41
  but um and you just like you're like good and
• 28:46
  you're in rhythm of just like listening to it
• 28:49
  and not watching it maybe don't watch it because
• 28:52
  it might ruin it yeah you might be too pleasantly
• 28:55
  surprised at how nice we are to look at and then
• 28:57
  stop listening but also there's a lot of things
• 29:00
  to see like in fact i feel like if you've never
• 29:06
  watched it and you've only listened then there's
• 29:09
  a like there's like a whole comedy element that
• 29:13
  just doesn't exist to you for this podcast that's
• 29:16
  true because because the reason why i started
• 29:19
  talking about this is because i realize that
• 29:22
  like there i feel like you and i laugh really
• 29:26
  hard about some things yeah but the episode doesn't
• 29:30
  have full context for why we're laughing so hard
• 29:32
  because sometimes someone made a funny face or
• 29:34
  something yeah exactly reacted a weird way yeah
• 29:36
  so if you're just listening you'd be like are
• 29:39
  they did it the podcast is it over and then you
• 29:42
  hear us come in laughing like oh they're off
• 29:46
  on one of those again yeah they're like yeah
• 29:48
  i don't yeah but i think at some point we reference
• 29:52
  we're recording at 4 a .m yeah so that that makes
• 29:57
  sense it feels kind of like it yeah yeah it does
• 29:59
  that's why paul's yawning I said it again. They're
• 30:03
  already up to like four now. Well, I've said
• 30:07
  it at least four times. There we go. Get one
• 30:10
  more in. It's on its way. All right, Paul, I
• 30:14
  had a question for you. This one's really been
• 30:16
  eating me up because I don't know. I just can't
• 30:21
  figure this one out. Okay. I need your help.
• 30:23
  I love that. Are you ready? Give me a second.
• 30:27
  Okay. Got to wipe the yawn tears from your eyes.
• 30:30
  Sorry, I keep saying it. It's just inevitable.
• 30:34
  Okay, continue. I'm ready. Okay, here's my question.
• 30:37
  This one is... We'll see. Okay, now I'm nervous.
• 30:44
  So, okay. So, here's my... I'm not going to set
• 30:48
  it up. I'm just going to give you my question.
• 30:52
  The question I have for you today is... Paul,
• 30:58
  this is a tough one for me to ask. Okay, Paul.
• 31:02
  Is Satan my landlord? He's raising the rent then.
• 31:15
  I actually never considered. That's an interesting
• 31:17
  question. I can't believe you thought of that.
• 31:21
  No, I'm kidding. That's terrible. No, I mean,
• 31:30
  it is a fascinating question, though. I also
• 31:33
  never considered that I could literally just
• 31:34
  be talking about my actual landlord. Like, is
• 31:39
  he a terrible person? Is he Satan? But if you're
• 31:46
  at this point in this podcast, then you know
• 31:49
  that that's not really what my question is. Yeah.
• 31:52
  However, it does bring up like a can of worms.
• 31:54
  And I hope my landlord isn't. Oh, me too. Because
• 32:01
  I know your landlord. Yeah, you do. He's not
• 32:04
  the kind of guy you want in a Satan type position.
• 32:08
  Yeah. Which that's a whole, what do you mean
• 32:10
  a Satan type position? Oh boy. Here we go. What
• 32:13
  are you saying? Here we go. What are we saying
• 32:16
  here? So do you have an answer for me really
• 32:19
  briefly and then we can just end the podcast?
• 32:21
  Yeah, it's going to be a real quick one. Yeah,
• 32:25
  just hang around for like an hour. We'll see
• 32:28
  where it goes. Maybe there's an answer at the
• 32:30
  end of it. No, I mean, so I think what's interesting
• 32:34
  about that question is. One, it's like where
• 32:37
  does that idea even come from at first? Yeah,
• 32:39
  yeah. Then also like the implications that come
• 32:44
  from that. Sure. Because this is from Jesus being
• 32:49
  tempted in the wilderness. Okay. From Satan.
• 32:52
  Like that's where that question is coming from,
• 32:53
  right? Kind of, yeah. Okay. I'm sure it's from
• 32:56
  more places too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah,
• 32:59
  I mean that would kind of be – that kind of lands
• 33:02
  in the primary. Nobody listening to that question.
• 33:06
  Oh, he's talking about the temptation of Jesus.
• 33:08
  That's fair. Just us. Yeah. But it's like working
• 33:13
  backwards, which is kind of one of the things
• 33:14
  that we do when we talk about building this podcast.
• 33:19
  It's like working backwards from the topic and
• 33:23
  kind of going in that direction. So, yeah, I
• 33:24
  mean, yes. So you kind of just gave that away.
• 33:27
  I did. I don't know. It's where I go. But it
• 33:31
  does, yeah, I mean, that prefaces it. Do you
• 33:34
  want to read it? I would. Okay. Actually, do
• 33:38
  you want me to read the Matthew or the Luke version?
• 33:40
  That's up to you. Whichever inspires you more
• 33:42
  tonight. I got Luke up. Okay. The way he writes
• 33:45
  it, I think, is very interesting. You're going
• 33:46
  to Luke it up? I'm going to Luke it up. Guess
• 33:50
  who the dad in the room is. Definitely Paul.
• 33:55
  With a sweater like this. I know. That's your
• 33:58
  Al Borland sweater. That name is only there because
• 34:03
  our buddy mentioned that the other night. Yeah.
• 34:06
  I would have never been able to pull that name
• 34:07
  out of a hat. That's so good. Yeah. Okay. So
• 34:12
  Luke. So Luke chapter 4. Luke 4. Starting in
• 34:16
  verse 1. In Jesus, I'm reading ESV by the way.
• 34:22
  For all the scholars out there. I feel like I
• 34:23
  should let everybody know. When I'm reading it's
• 34:26
  probably ESV unless I specify. Yeah. Just as
• 34:31
  a baseline. Yeah. Just know that. Luke chapter
• 34:35
  4, starting in verse 1. And Jesus, full of the
• 34:39
  Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was
• 34:41
  led by the Spirit in the wilderness for 40 days,
• 34:44
  being tempted by the devil. And he ate nothing
• 34:48
  during those days, and when they were ended,
• 34:51
  he was hungry. Yes. Duh. Right. The devil said
• 34:58
  to him, And the devil took him up and showed
• 35:10
  him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment
• 35:13
  of time and said to him, It will all be yours.
• 35:29
  And Jesus answered him, It is written, You shall
• 35:32
  worship the Lord your God, and him only shall
• 35:35
  you serve. I guess we could stop there. Yeah,
• 35:39
  because there's a lot to unpack. Yeah. There's
• 35:41
  also other questions that could be asked of those
• 35:45
  passages. Yeah, kind of overall, like what's
• 35:47
  actually going on here? Like what's Satan really
• 35:51
  up to here? Yeah. One, it's funny because I asked,
• 35:55
  is Satan? And I probably should have just asked,
• 35:58
  is the devil? Yeah. Yeah, true. But John in Revelation
• 36:02
  ties those all together. He does. So the ancient
• 36:06
  serpent in the garden, the cherub in the garden,
• 36:10
  or the Nakash. Yeah. Is Satan, is the devil,
• 36:18
  is the dragon. It's all in one. So, oh, maybe
• 36:25
  I should have said that. Yeah. Is the dragon
• 36:30
  my landlord? That would have been a more confusing
• 36:35
  question. Yeah, true. It's like, are we talking
• 36:38
  about Shrek or something? We have to start all
• 36:39
  the way in. Yeah. Yeah. So, okay. So Jesus is
• 36:47
  being tempted in the wilderness. This is after
• 36:49
  he is baptized by John. And he is led out by
• 36:55
  the Holy Spirit into the wilderness. Yeah. And
• 36:58
  then it says in a moment, which is cool. Yeah.
• 37:01
  In a moment, the devil shows him all the nations
• 37:07
  of the earth and says, this can all be yours.
• 37:10
  Yeah. If you do what? If you bow down and worship
• 37:14
  me. Yeah. Yeah. So it's interesting. So growing
• 37:18
  up hearing this in Sunday school. Yeah. Shout
• 37:22
  out Sunday school. Come on Sunday school. I think
• 37:25
  everyone should go. We need more Sunday school.
• 37:27
  Unless you're too old then. Because Sunday is
• 37:30
  cool. Yeah. It is cool. But Sunday school. Yeah.
• 37:36
  You can go to Sunday school no matter how old
• 37:38
  you are. You can. Yeah. Don't discriminate. We
• 37:40
  just call that a normal service now. Oh yeah.
• 37:44
  Well, it depends. Depends on where you go. That's
• 37:46
  fair. Anyways. I feel like, yeah. I don't need
• 37:50
  to go down now. Yeah, so the way that I was always
• 37:56
  taught this is, oh, silly devil. Trickster for
• 38:02
  kids. Yeah. Here he is making all these empty
• 38:07
  promises and threats to Jesus. And Jesus is smarter
• 38:11
  than that. He knows that he's full of it. Yeah.
• 38:13
  But it's like, wait, but hold on. The devil just
• 38:16
  said a lot of things. Right. He said, all the
• 38:21
  authority that has been given to me, I'll give
• 38:23
  it to who I please. Right. Or he says, deliver
• 38:25
  it to him. And it's like, wait a second. And
• 38:29
  Jesus doesn't be like, you don't have any authority,
• 38:31
  you silly little devil. Jesus doesn't be like.
• 38:33
  You gotta make Sunday school cool. He's like
• 38:39
  youth group now. I know. Well, yeah. I think
• 38:44
  that's important though. The fact that Jesus
• 38:45
  doesn't rebuke him for being a liar. He's like.
• 38:49
  You almost said be like. Yeah, I did. It's in
• 38:52
  my head. But he, you don't be like. Okay, that
• 38:58
  was too far. But yeah, he doesn't say that. Right.
• 39:04
  What he says instead, he just quotes scripture.
• 39:06
  He's like, you will worship. the Lord your God
• 39:08
  only. Yeah, and this is known as the temptation
• 39:12
  of Jesus. Yeah. But also, one of the things that
• 39:16
  is interesting is that this passage in particular,
• 39:19
  there are some really intentional things that
• 39:25
  are happening here that are important to the
• 39:27
  whole story of the entire scripture that I feel
• 39:35
  like in Sunday school. you may just push past
• 39:38
  it and go like, see, Jesus is better than the
• 39:40
  devil. You know what I mean? Yeah. Which is true.
• 39:43
  Which is true. It's a good lesson to pull. Yeah,
• 39:45
  and that's a good starting point. Yeah. But it's
• 39:49
  also like, but wait, there's a bunch of details
• 39:51
  in there that have to be intentionally mentioned.
• 39:55
  They're not just making up a good story so they're
• 39:58
  filling it with details. Yeah. It's like, no,
• 40:00
  everything about it is precise. And like that's
• 40:05
  one of those things where it's like, OK, so.
• 40:08
  So Jesus responds with with scripture. Yes. Which
• 40:15
  is very cool. It's cool because it is his word.
• 40:21
  Yeah. So if Jesus is the word that was at the
• 40:25
  beginning. Then the words that he is speaking
• 40:29
  in this moment are not that different. than the
• 40:34
  word spoken at the beginning in creation itself,
• 40:39
  which what happens in the beginning of Genesis
• 40:43
  is that order is spoken out into the midst of
• 40:47
  chaos. Yeah. And in this moment in the temptation,
• 40:51
  the devil basically says, hey, we can make this
• 40:56
  chaos again. Yeah. And he says, no, here's how
• 41:00
  I ordered everything, which is actually kind
• 41:03
  of cool. Yeah. So like cool. Yeah. There's like
• 41:06
  this instance where it's like he's like, hey,
• 41:08
  it's chaos. I'm leading it. Yeah. And because
• 41:13
  I have that authority, I can give that all to
• 41:16
  you and you can do whatever you want with it.
• 41:18
  Yeah. You just have to bow down to me. It's just
• 41:21
  give me what I want. Right. And I think that's
• 41:23
  that's the interesting exchange here is because
• 41:24
  he knows that the Messiah wants to reestablish.
• 41:30
  He wants to in a way like reinherit everything.
• 41:33
  He wants to take it all back and say, hey, this
• 41:37
  was given to you, and now I want it back. Right.
• 41:41
  And I'm going to do that, but I'm not going to
• 41:43
  do it by giving you what you want, which is for
• 41:45
  me to step down as being God. Right. And it's
• 41:48
  like, that can't happen. Right. Then it's funny,
• 41:51
  because Satan would then become, the devil would
• 41:54
  then become God, in a sense. Yeah. Which is,
• 41:57
  it's a really weird space to be. But I think
• 42:00
  what's interesting about these two, and this
• 42:02
  is a... A little bit of a side point is that
• 42:05
  the tempter in this, he doesn't know really who
• 42:12
  Jesus is. He knows who he is, but he doesn't
• 42:16
  really know. It's like, oh, we don't know what
• 42:19
  his plan is. We don't know what he's trying to
• 42:21
  do. Sure. And so these questions, I think the
• 42:24
  temptations are really interesting because it
• 42:26
  seems like he's trying to get information out
• 42:28
  of them to figure out what you're doing. It's
• 42:31
  like, you know, it's like, hey, you're not supposed
• 42:33
  to be here yet. Right. Because we know what your
• 42:35
  coming looks like. And this wasn't supposed to
• 42:37
  be it. So what are you up to? What's going on
• 42:39
  here? And so it's like these temptations are
• 42:42
  like, let me figure out what's what's going on
• 42:43
  here. Wait, before you get into the temptations,
• 42:45
  you just sparked something that I hadn't really
• 42:47
  thought about. So you said if if Jesus surrenders
• 42:51
  to him and bows down to him, then it actually
• 42:55
  it gives up. the devil god yeah not exactly though
• 43:04
  right well that's where it gets kind of confusing
• 43:06
  well but but here's the thing so then the question
• 43:09
  then on the other end is yeah what did the devil
• 43:12
  actually want and so if if i don't know that
• 43:17
  in this instance the devil actually wants to
• 43:19
  be god well i think because what this instance
• 43:24
  i agree because what if because it seems like
• 43:28
  What we need to unpack is that I think what the
• 43:33
  devil actually wants in this instance is to inherit
• 43:36
  the earth. Yeah. And in order, if Jesus bows
• 43:41
  down to him, then he's acknowledging that he
• 43:47
  is the ruler of the earth. Yeah. And then the
• 43:51
  devil can inherit the earth through the death
• 43:56
  of Jesus. and the non -resurrection. But that
• 44:01
  calls back to a bunch of stuff that comes before
• 44:04
  it. It does, a lot. Because I think it's less
• 44:08
  about being God overall and inheriting the earth.
• 44:13
  Yes, because I don't think that this is really
• 44:16
  his plan. We know it's like when we see the,
• 44:20
  seems like the goals. throughout the scriptures
• 44:25
  of what they're trying to do. He wants to have
• 44:28
  something like God does. Yeah. And so he's been
• 44:33
  cast down to earth, but he's not really in charge
• 44:36
  of it. He's like, I want to be. There is a level
• 44:40
  of authority that he has been given. But yes,
• 44:42
  you're right. If Jesus bows down, because Jesus
• 44:45
  is the ruler of all things were made through
• 44:47
  him and for him. Right. And so if Jesus does
• 44:50
  surrender that to the devil. then you're right.
• 44:54
  He is then the one who rules all of it. It's
• 44:58
  for him now. And Jesus, as a man, is now under
• 45:04
  the authority of that prince of the air. Yeah.
• 45:10
  So that introduces layers. It does. It kind of
• 45:14
  says Jesus, the man, now has a spiritual authority
• 45:21
  that is not God. the God of the universe. Instead,
• 45:25
  it's the God of the air. Yeah. Submitting himself
• 45:29
  to basically acknowledging that the devil is
• 45:41
  the God of the air and now Jesus is going to
• 45:43
  serve him. Yeah. Because I think sometimes we
• 45:46
  also think about it as like a one moment thing.
• 45:49
  And it is that. Yeah. I think it's more like
• 45:53
  come serve me, not bow down to me right now.
• 45:58
  Yeah. It's come serve me and I will give you
• 46:01
  all the authority that I have. Yeah. I mean,
• 46:03
  even in that one moment, it's a representation
• 46:05
  of I'm surrendering authority to you. Yeah. I
• 46:08
  mean, that's the same thing as like when we receive
• 46:10
  salvation, we say that it's like that's that
• 46:13
  moment is us saying my goal now is to serve and
• 46:17
  do what you tell me to. Yes. And so it's like,
• 46:20
  it's not like that one moment, everything's good,
• 46:22
  boom, you're good to go. It's like, no, you actually
• 46:24
  have to live it out now. Right. And you actually
• 46:26
  have to submit your authority to God. Yeah. And
• 46:29
  like that moment, if Jesus did bow down to Satan,
• 46:32
  he'd be saying like, I am deciding to follow
• 46:35
  what you tell me to do now. To serve the devil.
• 46:38
  Yeah. So that would be God incarnate. Yes. In
• 46:42
  the flesh, then serving the devil. Yeah. that
• 46:49
  i feel like that even that opens up like that
• 46:53
  is a different conversation than i feel like
• 46:55
  i've had yeah which is and i'm not sure if like
• 46:59
  i'm not sure if you've had that but it's like
• 47:02
  to me it always seems so localized i think because
• 47:06
  the the the temptation narrative in this um You
• 47:11
  get to it quickly and then you get out of it
• 47:14
  really quick. Yeah. So like as you're reading
• 47:16
  it, it's very easy to just go. Skip through it.
• 47:18
  Yeah. Just like, all right, this is like a paragraph.
• 47:21
  Yeah. And it's like, yeah, but that's like. It's
• 47:24
  a big paragraph. There's so much in there. Yeah.
• 47:27
  That like, and that's 40 days and 40 nights.
• 47:32
  Correct. It's not 30 seconds of reading. Yeah.
• 47:35
  You know what I mean? Like this is a long period
• 47:37
  of time. Yeah. And it's a really critical moment.
• 47:40
  And the fact that he's fasted during this whole
• 47:43
  period too. Yeah. That adds a whole other level
• 47:46
  to it. It does. Yeah. So then the step into that
• 47:52
  question is that goes into, well, what does the
• 47:56
  devil want? He wants to inherit and rule the
• 48:01
  earth. Yeah. And he is like, Paul uses the language
• 48:09
  of the ruler of the air. But in this instance,
• 48:16
  if God bows down, I don't know, I think that's
• 48:19
  kind of tripping me out a little bit. It's such
• 48:23
  a weird idea. What are the ramifications of that
• 48:25
  decision? Yeah, how does that unfold if he actually
• 48:29
  does it? Yeah, and it'd be pure chaos. Yes, but
• 48:34
  potentially not. uh cosmically i mean it would
• 48:39
  have cosmic ramifications yeah but yeah and i
• 48:45
  think part of like the culture that we live in
• 48:47
  i'm like i want to see that movie yeah you know
• 48:52
  what i mean i actually it's like how does that
• 48:55
  and that'd be a fun like the truth is there are
• 48:58
  there definitely are movies that explore that
• 49:01
  yeah yeah um but But yeah, so Jesus in this instance
• 49:07
  is being tempted to not just bow down in a moment
• 49:13
  to the devil, but to instead turn from God and
• 49:16
  serve the devil, which would be turn from the
• 49:20
  cosmic responsibility that God, who is empowering
• 49:25
  Jesus in this moment, In order to work out the
• 49:29
  plan that God has for the earth. Yeah. But instead
• 49:32
  to serve the plan that the devil has for the
• 49:35
  earth, which would go against the plan that God
• 49:39
  has for the earth. Yeah. Which we can say now,
• 49:44
  well, that was just never going to happen. Right.
• 49:47
  But previous to it, as like finite humans. We'd
• 49:53
  be like, I don't know what's happening. Well,
• 49:56
  I think that's an interesting thing we can say
• 49:58
  now looking back to is like, oh, that didn't
• 50:00
  happen and it was never going to happen. Right.
• 50:02
  But I think that's a little unfair for us to
• 50:05
  say that. Sure. Because it undermines the humanity
• 50:09
  of Jesus. Yeah. Even the divinity in some ways
• 50:14
  where it's just like, no, he genuinely went through
• 50:17
  a temptation. Yeah. Where like this genuinely
• 50:19
  was something he had to like, hmm. Yeah. And
• 50:22
  it's like, because that's what it says. That's
• 50:24
  how it's written. Yeah. It doesn't say that he
• 50:26
  sat and paused and thought about it for a second.
• 50:29
  And I think that shows the connection that he
• 50:32
  has with the spirit, with himself in a lot of
• 50:36
  ways, is that, no, his response was, that's not
• 50:40
  right. let me turn to the scriptures, let me
• 50:43
  turn to the Lord. Yeah. Which I think is a really
• 50:46
  cool example. But it's like, this was a genuine
• 50:48
  issue that he could have very well said yes,
• 50:51
  and he probably wanted to say yes to. Sure. Because
• 50:53
  it sounds great. Yeah. Yeah, it does. When you're
• 50:56
  like, oh, that is the thing that I want, but
• 50:58
  I don't want to get there through this path.
• 51:01
  Yeah. Because ultimately that won't get me there.
• 51:03
  Right, exactly. Yeah. But at that time, he might
• 51:06
  not even think that. He says, that's what I want,
• 51:09
  but that's not the way to do it. Yeah, but it
• 51:12
  is faster and more accessible. Yeah. It's the
• 51:15
  easy route. Yeah. And it's less suffering on
• 51:19
  the front end. Yeah. Yeah. He doesn't have to
• 51:21
  die now. Yeah, yeah. But he will be dead forever.
• 51:26
  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Before I went off on that,
• 51:32
  it seemed like you wanted to go into the temptations
• 51:34
  themselves a little bit. Well, I kind of want
• 51:38
  to focus on just one of them because I think
• 51:40
  that's... Okay. Because there's one part of it,
• 51:43
  and this is the question that I get caught up
• 51:47
  on a little bit, where it's the—let me just read
• 51:50
  it. Have we talked about kenosis at all? I don't
• 51:53
  think so. Okay. So kenosis is a Greek word for
• 51:56
  emptying, and that's the whole thing of Jesus
• 52:01
  emptied himself when he became man. Yeah. And
• 52:06
  that— always was, and I figured I'd mention this
• 52:10
  as we're talking about this, because the truth
• 52:12
  is, the Son of Man, Jesus, could call on a fleet
• 52:22
  of angels at any point. That would be accessing
• 52:26
  his divinity. It would. And him emptying himself
• 52:31
  doesn't make him not divine. what he what it
• 52:38
  seems to me like he's doing is he's not stopping
• 52:43
  sorry he's not emptying himself of his divinity
• 52:47
  he's emptying himself of his heavenly authority
• 52:50
  yeah so and those are two different things because
• 52:53
  i always thought it was category of divinity
• 52:55
  yeah but it's not because he never stops being
• 52:58
  god yeah otherwise chaos does happen but Jesus
• 53:03
  doesn't stop being God. What he empties himself
• 53:05
  of is his heavenly authority in order to take
• 53:09
  on earthly authority. Yeah. Because when he becomes
• 53:13
  a man, he takes on the covenant from Genesis,
• 53:17
  which is you will inherit the earth. Which is
• 53:21
  interesting when you say that because that's
• 53:23
  why he has access to the Holy Spirit. Yes. Who's
• 53:27
  helping him. He's accessing the Spirit's power
• 53:30
  or authority, I mean. Yes. to perform the miracles
• 53:33
  and stuff that he is doing as a human. Yeah.
• 53:35
  In the way that a prophet would have. Yes. Yeah.
• 53:40
  Yeah. And that's the that's that's I think that's
• 53:44
  the difference. And that's the language of kenosis.
• 53:47
  Yeah. That's fascinating. Is that it's not emptying
• 53:50
  of because the the important thing when Jesus
• 53:54
  comes down is that he becomes man so that he
• 53:58
  has the authority. of man and reestablishing
• 54:03
  the purpose of that authority. Yeah. That man's
• 54:07
  job on the earth is to inherit the earth and
• 54:10
  to steward it and do it well. Nice little teaser.
• 54:13
  So like that's the, but you know what I mean?
• 54:15
  Yeah. So like because of that, like that is what
• 54:18
  the devil is trying to thwart. He wants to inherit
• 54:21
  the earth. Yeah. So the devil wants to inherit
• 54:24
  the earth and has done a pretty good job of moving
• 54:28
  in that direction up until this point. Yeah.
• 54:30
  Absolutely. And in some ways it's his playground.
• 54:34
  Yeah. Right. Um, I mean there, there are plenty
• 54:37
  of verses in the new Testament, especially that
• 54:39
  say that. Right. It's like, no, he's, he's corrupted
• 54:43
  the minds of the people here. Yeah. So like in
• 54:46
  some ways, but he can't, but the devil can't
• 54:49
  inherit the earth unless he is a human. Yeah.
• 54:52
  And the devil is not a human. Um, yeah. And yeah,
• 54:58
  without, and we keep saying that as like, an
• 55:00
  identifier of the person. Yeah. Yeah, because
• 55:04
  we are saying the devil, which John identifies
• 55:07
  as a very specific entity. It's a specific character.
• 55:11
  Yeah, character is a great word. Yeah. But, yeah,
• 55:15
  so I feel like that has a lot to do with it.
• 55:18
  It's like Jesus doesn't stop being divine. He
• 55:21
  doesn't stop being God, but he empties or he
• 55:26
  leaves behind, he sets aside. his heavenly authority
• 55:30
  in order to take on his earthly authority and
• 55:34
  to use heavenly authority in the earthly role
• 55:38
  is to access the holy spirit to have heavenly
• 55:43
  authority through the holy spirit working in
• 55:47
  him which is the same authority that we have
• 55:49
  that he sent to us where we can inherit the earth
• 55:54
  and have authority on the earth with the authority
• 55:58
  of heaven by the power of the Holy Spirit working
• 56:00
  through us. Yeah. Which is pretty cool. It is
• 56:03
  cool. Actually, I will talk about it now. Okay.
• 56:06
  Because you kind of got me excited about it.
• 56:07
  Cool. But the other, the third temptation, because
• 56:10
  we have the one where command these stones to
• 56:12
  turn into bread. Yes. And then we have... Which
• 56:15
  is, you know, calling back to the children of
• 56:18
  Israel. Yes. In the desert. Which is, that's
• 56:20
  the other interesting thing about it, is that
• 56:21
  what... what the devil is doing here is calling
• 56:26
  back on biblical history to tempt jesus yeah
• 56:31
  but in some ways it's funny and so it's interesting
• 56:34
  okay it's i'll say this really quick yeah is
• 56:37
  so the third temptation that he gives him is
• 56:40
  he takes him up to a high a high mountain a high
• 56:42
  place and says throw yourself down and command
• 56:45
  the angels and the angels will catch you yeah
• 56:47
  um and what's interesting is like Okay, so what's
• 56:50
  he quoting there? He's quoting Psalm 91. Yeah.
• 56:53
  And here's what's interesting about Psalm 91.
• 56:55
  Okay. Is we actually didn't have it until we
• 56:58
  found the Dead Sea Scrolls. Oh, I didn't know
• 57:00
  that. Yeah. That's crazy. It's kind of interesting.
• 57:04
  Yeah. And so he's hearkening back to that. And
• 57:08
  there's a whole tangent with that psalm and a
• 57:11
  few other psalms that were found with that that
• 57:13
  aren't in the Bible. Okay. Really interesting
• 57:16
  stuff. But it's like every time he's calling
• 57:18
  back on some Old Testament scripture. So they
• 57:21
  had to renumber it. I think so. After 1947. Yeah.
• 57:27
  Yeah. That's crazy. I actually didn't know that.
• 57:30
  Yeah. That's cool. Isn't that interesting? Yeah.
• 57:33
  So he's calling back to the Old Testament scripture.
• 57:35
  Yeah. And that's how he's tempting Jesus. Oh,
• 57:39
  right. I was like, that's kind of amazing. It
• 57:43
  is. It's like not giving him any glory, but it's
• 57:46
  just like, oh, like, no, he's using scripture
• 57:48
  to tempt Jesus. Yes. Knowing that like this is
• 57:52
  going to be a genuine temptation. Oh, yes. Because
• 57:55
  he's calling back like, I know what you want.
• 57:57
  Yeah. So let me just tell you. Yeah. Yeah. Because
• 58:00
  it's not just the thing in the moment. It's what
• 58:04
  that thing represents in the story. Exactly.
• 58:07
  Yeah. Yeah. So each temptation is not just like,
• 58:09
  hey, you want this? No. hey, you want this kid?
• 58:12
  You know what I mean? It's not like the open
• 58:15
  up the, you want to watch? You know what I mean?
• 58:17
  It's like open up the trench coat. But it's more
• 58:23
  like he's framing a larger picture with all of
• 58:26
  the temptations. Yeah. And the larger picture
• 58:28
  is what's actually going on leading up to this
• 58:31
  moment. Yeah. Which, yeah, I think that's important
• 58:33
  to say. And the biblical writers do this. every
• 58:40
  single time yeah they're always trying to paint
• 58:44
  the larger picture there's so much language that's
• 58:46
  being drawn from other parts of scripture yes
• 58:48
  yeah and it's intentionally going like hey here's
• 58:52
  this this and this yeah and these three elements
• 58:55
  create this image that looks more holistic over
• 58:58
  the whole text um so it's like reading reading
• 59:02
  that type of thing but the other interesting
• 59:04
  thing about like the manna like turn turn the
• 59:07
  yeah the rock into bread is like manna was made
• 59:12
  from the wheat of heaven. That's right. So it's
• 59:16
  angel's food, basically, which is interesting
• 59:21
  also because he knows that he can access that.
• 59:24
  It's not necessarily like the miracle of doing
• 59:29
  it. It's going like, hey, it's not any different
• 59:32
  than the third temptation. It's saying get the
• 59:34
  angels to bring your food to you. Yeah. You know
• 59:39
  what I mean? Well, Jesus is not an angel categorically,
• 59:42
  but it's like that. It's like, get your guys
• 59:46
  to bring you food. Yeah, get your cronies down
• 59:48
  here. Yeah, because that would be calling on
• 59:51
  the angels in order to do that. Which would be
• 59:53
  accessing his divine authority. Yes. Yeah. Yeah,
• 59:57
  so that's interesting. It's such a weird place
• 1:00:00
  that it's in when we frame it that way. It's
• 1:00:02
  like, oh, there's so much happening here. It
• 1:00:05
  is like a game of chess that's going on in a
• 1:00:07
  lot of ways. Yeah, and again, to hark back to
• 1:00:12
  the writers are always saying something bigger.
• 1:00:15
  How long is he in the temptation? 40 days and
• 1:00:20
  40 nights. Just like Israel was in the desert
• 1:00:23
  for 40 years. It's all the same thing. And that's
• 1:00:29
  why Jesus did not come to eliminate the law but
• 1:00:34
  to fulfill it. So taking on our shame, taking
• 1:00:38
  on our pain, taking on everything, and the way
• 1:00:41
  he does that is actually very, very much like
• 1:00:45
  an Old Testament prophet. By going into the wilderness,
• 1:00:48
  having the same temptations. Having the same
• 1:00:53
  temptations of testing God. But succeeding. That
• 1:00:56
  the Israelites did. Yes. So it's like he almost
• 1:01:00
  redoes everything that came before it. Yeah,
• 1:01:04
  it's true. Like he succeeds where Israel fails.
• 1:01:07
  Yes. And I think that's a really beautiful thing.
• 1:01:09
  It is. And I think it's funny. I like to throw
• 1:01:12
  this in because it's like I hear. misinterpreted
• 1:01:16
  so many times where it's like jesus fulfilled
• 1:01:18
  the law that doesn't mean the law no longer applies
• 1:01:20
  which i know that's not what you're saying no
• 1:01:22
  yeah but it's like what is fulfilling the law
• 1:01:24
  means it means he followed it means he did it
• 1:01:26
  right he was the only one to actually do the
• 1:01:29
  law yeah and in the heart of the purpose of the
• 1:01:34
  law yeah um i mean that's what he taught us yeah
• 1:01:38
  while he's doing he's like let me teach you how
• 1:01:40
  to actually follow the law like this is what
• 1:01:42
  i'm trying to say because the law is good for
• 1:01:44
  you yeah Like it was intended to be good for
• 1:01:46
  you. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that's a... So then...
• 1:01:52
  Well, so you ask your question. Sorry. So is
• 1:01:58
  Satan my landlord? Okay, we're in the same spot.
• 1:02:01
  Well, so that's where I find it interesting is
• 1:02:04
  like, so where did he get his authority? Because
• 1:02:06
  he says he has it. Yeah. And Jesus doesn't question
• 1:02:09
  that. Right. And it might just be maybe he was
• 1:02:11
  really hungry. He's like, I don't have time for
• 1:02:13
  that. But it's like, OK, so Satan is claiming
• 1:02:16
  that he has authority. Yeah. So where is his
• 1:02:19
  authority coming from? Who gave it to him? Side
• 1:02:22
  note before we dig into that. It is fun that
• 1:02:25
  if you keep reading there. Yeah. In Luke four
• 1:02:27
  and in Matthew four, that once Jesus like completes
• 1:02:32
  the task, it says that like then the angels came
• 1:02:35
  and ministered. Yeah. Yeah. Which is basically
• 1:02:37
  like. then he like hung out with his boys which
• 1:02:40
  is kind of cool yeah it's cool that like he got
• 1:02:44
  to do that they're like here i got you some manna
• 1:02:46
  yeah yeah he's like here you go no it's true
• 1:02:48
  because because some of the some of the translations
• 1:02:50
  of that are the interpretations of um of that
• 1:02:53
  word ministering yeah some people take that back
• 1:02:56
  to um like feeding like they brought him nourishment
• 1:03:01
  But it could have just been to hang out. It may
• 1:03:02
  not have actually just been food. You know what
• 1:03:04
  I mean? So that was kind of wild, right? Yeah,
• 1:03:05
  yeah. You should not live on bread alone, but
• 1:03:09
  from every word that comes from the Father. Yeah.
• 1:03:11
  And if angels are messengers, then what he was
• 1:03:14
  feeding on was what they were ministering to
• 1:03:17
  him, which was the words of the Father. Yeah.
• 1:03:19
  I just solved my own math equation. That's actually
• 1:03:20
  kind of cool. That's actually really cool. It
• 1:03:26
  is cool. Yeah. So he literally did it. It's a
• 1:03:28
  beautiful picture, too, that he goes through
• 1:03:31
  such an intense season, to use the Christian
• 1:03:34
  use phrase, of his life, and he's faithful through
• 1:03:38
  it, and he finds rest at the end of it. Yes.
• 1:03:42
  Temporarily before... more stuff happens to him.
• 1:03:44
  And he literally got the nourishment he said
• 1:03:47
  that was more valuable than the earthly food.
• 1:03:50
  Which is crazy because this is maybe a little
• 1:03:53
  more pastoral. I'm not a pastor. But it's in
• 1:03:56
  that idea of when we fall into those places where
• 1:04:00
  we're in a really tough... time in our life.
• 1:04:03
  Yeah. And we see that temptation, that easy rest,
• 1:04:06
  that easy victory of like, that's what I want.
• 1:04:08
  Let me just go do that. Yeah. But it's like,
• 1:04:10
  no, if we are faithful through that, there is
• 1:04:12
  rest at the end of it. Yeah. And I think that's
• 1:04:14
  a beautiful thing that we see in a micro, like
• 1:04:17
  a micro area of that story. Yeah. Because at
• 1:04:21
  the end of the day, that is what, that is even
• 1:04:23
  what Jesus is saying about the law itself. Yeah.
• 1:04:26
  It's saying like, do the hard work because it's
• 1:04:30
  the only thing that pays off. Yeah. Yeah. And,
• 1:04:33
  yeah, I mean, that is the Sunday school lesson.
• 1:04:36
  It's Sunday school lesson. Okay, so to make it
• 1:04:39
  the martyr's row lesson. So who's my landlord?
• 1:04:45
  When we talk about that question, I want to go
• 1:04:49
  all the way back to Genesis 1. Okay, and you
• 1:04:52
  want to do that because of what was offered to
• 1:04:56
  Jesus first? Well, I think because when we asked
• 1:04:58
  the question of like, so. Satan is claiming that
• 1:05:01
  he has authority that has been delivered to him.
• 1:05:06
  Yeah, and we didn't say the silly part of that
• 1:05:12
  is you kind of just go like, well, that's kind
• 1:05:15
  of dumb because of course Jesus isn't just going
• 1:05:18
  to... He knows that all of that is his anyways.
• 1:05:23
  So it's not like the devil owns all of that and
• 1:05:26
  can actually give it to him. Well, so then that's...
• 1:05:29
  That's the weird part of it. Right. And that's,
• 1:05:31
  yeah. So it's like, first off, I think the question
• 1:05:34
  is like, well, who has authority over the earth?
• 1:05:38
  Yeah. And that's where it's like, I want to bring
• 1:05:40
  it all the way back to Genesis one. Okay. Kind
• 1:05:42
  of walk it through. Yeah. Cause I think I love
• 1:05:45
  Genesis. So I always find myself back here. So
• 1:05:47
  we're making, we want to look at that temptation
• 1:05:50
  of Jesus, um, as essentially the end of the story.
• 1:05:55
  Yeah. In a lot of ways. Yes. And go back to the
• 1:05:57
  beginning. I'm sure you're wondering how I got
• 1:06:01
  to this point. Yeah, yeah. Go back to the beginning
• 1:06:04
  and also say, like, this was a legitimate temptation.
• 1:06:11
  Right. Like, this is the biggest temptation.
• 1:06:14
  In some ways, it's the whole thing. Yeah. Actually,
• 1:06:19
  in all the ways, it's the whole thing. Yeah.
• 1:06:22
  Yeah. In all the ways. Well, so, okay, so Genesis
• 1:06:26
  1. Starting in verse 26, it says, So God created
• 1:06:47
  man in his own image. In the image of God, he
• 1:06:50
  created him. Male and female, he created them.
• 1:06:54
  And God blessed them. So to answer that first
• 1:07:11
  question at this moment in Genesis 1, who has
• 1:07:15
  authority over the earth? Well, man and woman
• 1:07:19
  do, male and female. Yeah. The humans do. Right.
• 1:07:22
  We're the ones who God gave us the authority
• 1:07:25
  and said, hey, I want you guys to rule this.
• 1:07:28
  Yes. So then the question is like, okay, so Satan's
• 1:07:34
  lying. We actually have authority. Well, then
• 1:07:36
  it's like, okay, well, hold on. That's not the
• 1:07:38
  end of the story. Right, right, right. This is
• 1:07:39
  the beginning. This is who originally had it.
• 1:07:41
  Yes. So then what happens is... But that's not...
• 1:07:47
  Genesis 1 is not telling us who's there. It's
• 1:07:52
  telling us who has authority. Correct. So it's
• 1:07:55
  not telling us who's there on the earth. It's
• 1:07:58
  only telling us who God gave authority to over
• 1:08:02
  the earth. And that's important. It is important.
• 1:08:04
  And that's where it's like, okay, so from this
• 1:08:07
  it's telling us that human beings have authority
• 1:08:10
  over the earth. Yes. And so what do human beings
• 1:08:15
  do with that? Nothing good. Not good. We immediately
• 1:08:21
  start disobeying. Well, to be fair, Adam does
• 1:08:25
  name all the animals with God. That's true. Immediately
• 1:08:27
  is a little quick, but it didn't take us long.
• 1:08:29
  That's a good point. As far as the text is written,
• 1:08:31
  it could have been a long time there. We don't
• 1:08:33
  really know for sure. That's a whole other thing.
• 1:08:35
  Yeah, that's the aging thing. Maybe 100 years.
• 1:08:39
  At some point, maybe two minutes. Well, longer
• 1:08:42
  than that. Or there was no time until they left
• 1:08:46
  the garden. Which is more likely. There was a
• 1:08:49
  time where things were right, and then there
• 1:08:52
  was a time when they weren't, and we helped cause
• 1:08:55
  that. And we already talked on a previous episode
• 1:08:59
  of how God calling it good, good is synonymous
• 1:09:03
  with orderly. Yes. So it's not like things became
• 1:09:06
  bad. They became chaotic again. Yeah. We started
• 1:09:10
  to decreate. Right. Started decreation. Yeah.
• 1:09:14
  And so we're a cause of like, creating this chaos
• 1:09:18
  and reintroducing chaos back into this orderly
• 1:09:21
  world yeah and we get we mess it up pretty bad
• 1:09:25
  to the point where god's like hey i'm gonna flood
• 1:09:28
  everything and we're gonna start this whole thing
• 1:09:31
  over and then he re -establishes that covenant
• 1:09:33
  with noah yeah and then what happens to be fair
• 1:09:37
  we didn't make it pretty bad on our own no we
• 1:09:41
  weren't alone Yeah, there were other characters
• 1:09:44
  involved. There sure were. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:48
  Which we won't get into right now, but keep going.
• 1:09:50
  Yeah, I was avoiding saying it because I was
• 1:09:52
  like, I know I'm going to jump on a tangent.
• 1:09:53
  I just feel like everybody ignores it all the
• 1:09:55
  time. That's fair. I want to at least acknowledge
• 1:09:57
  it. Yeah, we weren't by ourselves. No. There
• 1:10:01
  was plenty of people, plenty of things involved
• 1:10:04
  in this. Beasts of the field, you could say.
• 1:10:06
  Yes. And so it's like, okay, so what happens
• 1:10:10
  after Noah? God's like, let's start this over.
• 1:10:13
  Here you guys go. I'll give you another go at
• 1:10:15
  it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And not that many generations
• 1:10:18
  later, we have this guy named Nimrod, which we
• 1:10:21
  talked about previously. Which we just talked
• 1:10:23
  about in the last episode, what happens immediately
• 1:10:26
  after in Noah's vineyard. Yeah, exactly. It's
• 1:10:31
  reintroduced again. It's not very far off. No,
• 1:10:34
  it's not. Same generation. Cool, I'm going to
• 1:10:36
  build a tower. Yeah. To where I can tell God
• 1:10:40
  what to do. God has to come at my beck and call.
• 1:10:42
  Yes. And so God's like, are you kidding me? Yeah.
• 1:10:46
  This is like, you didn't even wait that long
• 1:10:48
  this time. Yeah. And so what's interesting, then
• 1:10:53
  what happens is our authority, our dominion over
• 1:10:56
  the earth. Yeah. Was then given to others. Right.
• 1:11:01
  And so I guess I could just jump right to that
• 1:11:03
  verse. Okay. I know we're going through this
• 1:11:07
  kind of quick right now. Yeah, yeah. No, it's
• 1:11:08
  good. I'm trying to make sure that we don't drop
• 1:11:10
  puzzle pieces. Yeah, that's fair. Well, I mean,
• 1:11:15
  at this point, it's like, okay, so who has authority
• 1:11:17
  of the earth? It's human beings. Right. And we,
• 1:11:20
  along with some other characters, messed it up
• 1:11:25
  ourselves. Well, and that was the big thing with
• 1:11:27
  the flood. Let's say we abused our authority.
• 1:11:29
  Yeah. And then, so God's like, let's start this
• 1:11:33
  over again. and then we abused it again yeah
• 1:11:36
  and he's like you know what i'm done with you
• 1:11:38
  guys yeah he's not done with us but he's like
• 1:11:40
  you need help yeah so what does he do well that's
• 1:11:45
  when we jump to one of our favorites deuteronomy
• 1:11:48
  32 8 yes um and so i'm gonna pull this up but
• 1:11:55
  there's an interesting side point to this that
• 1:11:57
  um and to understand and to understand that like
• 1:12:03
  The lands that Nimrod was leading at the time,
• 1:12:09
  everybody was under one language. Yes. Which
• 1:12:14
  meant that they were all actively moving in the
• 1:12:17
  same direction. So that's kind of important because
• 1:12:21
  when things are set into order and then sent
• 1:12:24
  out, which is basically what happens also when
• 1:12:28
  the Spirit of God comes and the church is born,
• 1:12:30
  it's sent out in the same way. That it's like,
• 1:12:33
  go, you're on a trajectory, go this direction.
• 1:12:37
  And when that goes out in that way, it starts
• 1:12:42
  to veer off course. But everybody all at once
• 1:12:46
  is veering off course. And so that's when you
• 1:12:49
  get the flood reset. And then all of the things
• 1:12:53
  that were pulling it off course are eliminated,
• 1:12:55
  seemingly. And then those who remain... In their
• 1:13:03
  inability to do well or to live righteous, they
• 1:13:09
  call back to what veered off course the first
• 1:13:12
  time and then keep veering it off course again.
• 1:13:16
  But they're all still moving in the same direction
• 1:13:17
  until you hit Tower of Babel and the confusion
• 1:13:20
  of language. And then at that point, it disperses
• 1:13:25
  over the earth. Yeah. And when it disperses over
• 1:13:27
  the earth, all of a sudden humanity is not moving
• 1:13:29
  all in the same direction anymore. So there's
• 1:13:33
  potential that when that happens, now there can
• 1:13:38
  be separation of chaos with order existing in
• 1:13:42
  the middle of it. Yeah, and that's a great point.
• 1:13:44
  Instead of only chaos or only order. I mean,
• 1:13:48
  because that's what we see here. In Deuteronomy
• 1:13:50
  32, what do we see happening? I'll just read
• 1:13:53
  it because it'll tell us what's going on. Sure,
• 1:13:56
  it explains kind of post -Babel. And this is...
• 1:14:00
  As a result to what has been happening. Right.
• 1:14:03
  The fact that we're. Yeah, I'll just read it
• 1:14:06
  and we'll jump into that in a second. Well, and
• 1:14:08
  we talked a little bit in the last episode, too,
• 1:14:10
  about how especially Genesis, but the the Torah
• 1:14:16
  and most of the Bible is what is going on here.
• 1:14:21
  That's the question it's answering. Yeah. So
• 1:14:24
  like the Bible in a massive way is saying is
• 1:14:28
  answering the question of. What we have, what
• 1:14:31
  humanity has always had is like, what's going
• 1:14:33
  on here? Well, here's the answer to that question.
• 1:14:37
  Yeah. Well, so this is as a response to the Tower
• 1:14:44
  of Babel incident. Yeah. As a part of that response.
• 1:14:47
  So Deuteronomy 32, starting in verse 8, and this
• 1:14:51
  is ESV, and I emphasize that for a quick side
• 1:14:54
  point after I read this. And it says, So it's
• 1:15:15
  like, well, what's he doing here? And so the
• 1:15:19
  reason I specified for this little side point
• 1:15:21
  that I'm reading ESV is because the ESV... has
• 1:15:26
  the the phrase the sons of god in here yeah and
• 1:15:30
  so if anyone else is reading another translation
• 1:15:32
  um there's a chance that your translation in
• 1:15:37
  english says sons of israel and so that's an
• 1:15:42
  interesting um quick point because some people
• 1:15:45
  might see that and be like it doesn't say that
• 1:15:46
  it says sons of israel right right and it's like
• 1:15:48
  well actually um and this is a lot like i think
• 1:15:53
  Most scholars would agree with this. So the Sons
• 1:15:57
  of Israel reading... I mean, the ESV is a witness
• 1:16:00
  to that, most scholars. Yes. So the Sons of Israel
• 1:16:06
  reading comes from the Masoretic text. And the
• 1:16:10
  Sons of God reading comes from the Dead Sea Scroll
• 1:16:12
  text. Okay. Which is considered the more accurate
• 1:16:16
  one. Right. I didn't know that. That's interesting.
• 1:16:21
  Yeah, so there is that different reading in there.
• 1:16:23
  So up until the Dead Sea Scrolls, it was always
• 1:16:26
  read as Sons of Israel. Correct. Huh. Yeah. That
• 1:16:30
  makes a lot of sense. Which is fascinating, right?
• 1:16:32
  It is. And why is it fascinating? Well, it's
• 1:16:36
  fascinating because it points to two different
• 1:16:38
  things. It does. And on one, and I've seen this
• 1:16:42
  with several scholars when they talk about this
• 1:16:44
  little contention in here. of why it doesn't
• 1:16:47
  make sense that it's sons of Israel. And one
• 1:16:50
  of them is like, well, we're in the table of
• 1:16:52
  nations section right now where it lists the
• 1:16:54
  nations. And Israel is not one of them. Right.
• 1:16:57
  And so it's like, one, it's like, that doesn't
• 1:17:00
  make logical sense. Yeah, because what does he
• 1:17:02
  call the region? What do you mean? Like the region
• 1:17:05
  that God governs, that he allots to himself.
• 1:17:09
  Yeah, I mean, at that point he calls it, I think
• 1:17:13
  he says Jacob. Yeah. And if you don't remember
• 1:17:17
  or don't know... Yeah, Jacob, his allotted heritage.
• 1:17:19
  Yeah, so if you don't know or don't remember,
• 1:17:23
  Jacob's name changes to Israel after he wrestles
• 1:17:29
  with the angel of the Lord. Yeah. And so if he
• 1:17:33
  calls it Jacob, then he's intentionally not calling
• 1:17:38
  it Israel. Yeah. Otherwise, yeah, it would say
• 1:17:43
  Israel. But also it's weird that it would say...
• 1:17:46
  And also it doesn't make sense that you're dividing
• 1:17:48
  the nations by the sons of Israel. It's like,
• 1:17:50
  well, that's not actually what happened though.
• 1:17:53
  Because then he's... But then to call his allotment
• 1:17:55
  Jacob doesn't make sense. It doesn't because
• 1:17:58
  it's like, wait, so you're splitting up from
• 1:17:59
  your own people to make all these other nations,
• 1:18:01
  but then you're making your own nation from the
• 1:18:04
  same people. It's like, that doesn't make any
• 1:18:06
  sense. No, it doesn't. It's really confusing
• 1:18:08
  that way. Yeah, because that would be saying
• 1:18:10
  all the people of the earth. are israel yeah
• 1:18:13
  at the point of the separation and that's not
• 1:18:17
  true which is yeah that'd be a weird way to see
• 1:18:20
  that right yeah so then it says um so it's split
• 1:18:24
  up by sons of god and that's part of the like
• 1:18:27
  natural naturalistic reading of it yes it's like
• 1:18:31
  that would be the answer to the question that
• 1:18:33
  i had that would be like answering the question
• 1:18:36
  that i had that I was just saying that my landlord
• 1:18:40
  is like Satan. Yeah. But I'm saying, no, my landlord
• 1:18:46
  is Satan. Yeah, I mean, so that's what we're
• 1:18:50
  seeing here. It's like, so if this is being split
• 1:18:52
  up amongst the sons of God to rule over them,
• 1:18:56
  except for the Lord's portion. Right. Actually,
• 1:19:00
  this is a really cool point on that, which that
• 1:19:04
  term in here is... divine or uh yeah divine geography
• 1:19:08
  yeah um and we actually have an instance in second
• 1:19:13
  kings where we actually kind of see this at play
• 1:19:15
  um so what are we saying here so if we're naming
• 1:19:20
  the nations as they are being allotted and split
• 1:19:23
  out and it's the 70 nations right um yes so and
• 1:19:30
  that's just like a number of completion yeah
• 1:19:32
  so whether it was 70 literally or just the full
• 1:19:36
  amount yeah like all nations were split out yeah
• 1:19:40
  um those are synonymous yeah but yeah in the
• 1:19:45
  language like like bringing that all together
• 1:19:47
  so what that means is that uh moses in writing
• 1:19:51
  deuteronomy is telling us an answer from the
• 1:19:56
  lord of why is everything broken out why is it
• 1:19:59
  all split up why do things work the way that
• 1:20:01
  they work and everything is broken out and split
• 1:20:05
  up, but Israel or the inheritance of Jacob, the
• 1:20:12
  ruler of that is the Lord, which means that every
• 1:20:16
  other nation has a ruler in relationship to the
• 1:20:21
  Lord, which is specific. And I feel like reading
• 1:20:25
  it as the sons of Israel pushes it into the 12
• 1:20:32
  tribes, are over the whole earth and Israel is
• 1:20:36
  ruling the earth. Right, which isn't happening.
• 1:20:39
  No, and it would also push it into prophetic
• 1:20:41
  language. Yeah. It would push it more into revelation
• 1:20:44
  language of like this is what will happen in
• 1:20:48
  the new heavens and the new earth, which we do
• 1:20:50
  see that in Revelation. But we don't see that
• 1:20:53
  language here. We don't see that. And actually,
• 1:20:54
  when we look at other parts of Deuteronomy, it
• 1:20:57
  reinforces this. We see in Deuteronomy 4 .19,
• 1:21:02
  Moses warns them not to worship the host of heaven.
• 1:21:06
  Yes. So 4 .19 says, And beware lest you raise
• 1:21:10
  your eyes to heaven. And when you see the sun
• 1:21:12
  and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven,
• 1:21:15
  you be drawn away and bow down to them and serve
• 1:21:18
  them, things that the Lord your God has allotted
• 1:21:21
  to all the peoples under the whole heaven. And
• 1:21:24
  then we see further, Deuteronomy 29, 24 through
• 1:21:27
  26. It says, And then directly after 32 .8 and
• 1:21:56
  32 .17, It says they sacrificed to demons that
• 1:22:00
  were no gods, to gods they had never known, to
• 1:22:03
  new gods that had come recently whom your fathers
• 1:22:06
  had not known of. And so it's like when we look
• 1:22:09
  at 32 .8 in the context of other parts of Deuteronomy,
• 1:22:14
  it's like, well, it's clear what he's talking
• 1:22:17
  about. And it's not human Israelites. No, it's
• 1:22:22
  also not pieces of metal. Right. And like that's
• 1:22:28
  a pretty big distinction. Like I feel like the
• 1:22:31
  only reason I say that and like diminish it in
• 1:22:34
  that way is because I feel like that's how I
• 1:22:37
  feel like that's what the worldview is at the
• 1:22:40
  moment in large part is just like just read through
• 1:22:44
  it and understand the story. Like just get to
• 1:22:45
  Jesus. Just get to the Jesus part. And it's like,
• 1:22:48
  yeah, but why did he have to come? Why did he
• 1:22:50
  have to? Well, and can we skip through like that?
• 1:22:53
  We get to the temptations and we go, OK, cool.
• 1:22:55
  Right. It's like, whoa, hold on. Yeah. There's
• 1:22:57
  a lot here. It's explaining everything behind
• 1:22:59
  it. Yeah. The language that's being drawn from
• 1:23:02
  here comes from somewhere. Yeah. And so why why
• 1:23:05
  is it a temptation? Right. Well, this is why
• 1:23:08
  it's a temptation. Yeah. Because and that's and
• 1:23:12
  again, it's not like it's that's what the danger
• 1:23:15
  is in things like astrology. It can be. But it's
• 1:23:19
  not just saying like the balls of fire out in
• 1:23:22
  the in. Right. Above the firmament. Well, even
• 1:23:26
  talking about that poetic language, it's like,
• 1:23:31
  well, no one talks about the stars and the moon
• 1:23:33
  and the sun. It's like, that is talking about
• 1:23:36
  the heavenly host. It clarifies that inside Deuteronomy.
• 1:23:41
  It does. We see that all throughout Revelation
• 1:23:43
  as well. You also see it in Job. Yes. And it's
• 1:23:47
  the same language. Yeah, talking about the Ben
• 1:23:49
  Elohim. Yeah. So that is one of those things
• 1:23:52
  where it's like the sun, moon, the stars, when
• 1:23:54
  they set it into place, when it was set into
• 1:23:59
  place, were you there? Well, there were things
• 1:24:01
  there. And even when he says that to Job, that's
• 1:24:04
  what he's saying. Yeah, he's not talking about
• 1:24:07
  when I made big balls of gas and put them up
• 1:24:09
  in outer space. That's not what he said. No.
• 1:24:13
  So all of those things are at play. And so what
• 1:24:16
  does that mean? It means that there was a certain
• 1:24:18
  point. where the nations were divided among the
• 1:24:22
  earth. Yes. And those nations being divided were
• 1:24:26
  similar to the inheritance of Jacob, who had
• 1:24:30
  a God that ruled it, and not a human God, but
• 1:24:39
  instead a God, God. Yeah, a lesser Elohim. Yes.
• 1:24:46
  I guess it's a weird way to say that. A lesser
• 1:24:48
  Elohim than the Elohim. Yeah. Than Yahweh. Than
• 1:24:54
  Yahweh. Right. And we see that. That's why he's
• 1:24:57
  like, no, this is my portion. And I actually
• 1:25:01
  just read this this morning. This is 2 Kings
• 1:25:03
  5, 17 through 19. And so in this, if you're unfamiliar,
• 1:25:07
  this is Naaman and Elisha. Where Naaman is from
• 1:25:12
  a whole other... area whole their nation yeah
• 1:25:15
  and he hears about elisha the prophet he's like
• 1:25:19
  oh let me go there and get healed from my leprosy
• 1:25:22
  yeah and then that's where elisha's like okay
• 1:25:24
  yeah he doesn't even go see him he's like yeah
• 1:25:25
  just go take a dunk in the jordan yeah and he's
• 1:25:28
  like are you kidding me that water's filthy i've
• 1:25:30
  got cleaner waters back at home yeah and then
• 1:25:33
  um name and servant tells him like no you should
• 1:25:36
  listen to him yeah he does his leprosy is is
• 1:25:39
  cured and so what does he do now and this is
• 1:25:41
  a part that stuck out to me, especially today
• 1:25:43
  when I was listening to it, or the other day
• 1:25:46
  when I was listening to it, that I didn't necessarily
• 1:25:50
  pick up in the past. Sure. But it's a recognition
• 1:25:53
  of this separation of nations, these borders
• 1:25:56
  that are drawn. Yeah. And it says, starting in
• 1:25:59
  verse 17, the Naaman said, If not, please let
• 1:26:03
  there be given to your servant two mule loads
• 1:26:06
  of earth. For from now on, your servant will
• 1:26:10
  not offer burnt offerings or sacrifice to any
• 1:26:13
  God but the Lord. In this matter, may the Lord
• 1:26:16
  pardon your servant. When my master goes into
• 1:26:20
  the house of Rimen to worship there, leaning
• 1:26:22
  on my arm, and I bow myself in the house of Rimen,
• 1:26:26
  when I bow myself in the house of Rimen, the
• 1:26:29
  Lord pardon your servant in this matter. And
• 1:26:32
  then Elisha said to him, go in peace. Yeah. And
• 1:26:35
  it's like, so what is he saying there? He's saying
• 1:26:37
  that there's something different about this nation.
• 1:26:41
  Right. The Lord's portion. The boundaries, yeah.
• 1:26:43
  This earth is special. Right. And I want this
• 1:26:46
  to be taken back to me so I can worship on the
• 1:26:50
  holy ground, the holy dirt. Yes. And then when
• 1:26:53
  I have to make appearances for my master and
• 1:26:56
  I go and bow to a false, to another idol. Yeah.
• 1:27:00
  To another God, he's like, don't. think anything
• 1:27:03
  of it because I want to go back and worship Yahweh.
• 1:27:07
  Right. And I want to worship him on his dirt.
• 1:27:09
  Yeah. And it's like, that's, that's that evidence
• 1:27:12
  that we see throughout scripture of like, there
• 1:27:14
  are separations of these boundaries that matter.
• 1:27:18
  Yeah. And I almost feel like, like even when
• 1:27:20
  we were talking to the, like towards the beginning
• 1:27:22
  of this episode about like the watering down
• 1:27:24
  of American English, it's like, that's something
• 1:27:27
  we have to really be careful of in scripture
• 1:27:29
  that like when it says, uh, I'll worship no one
• 1:27:34
  else other than the Lord. Yeah. It's like, okay,
• 1:27:37
  but Lord, all caps, if you don't know, means
• 1:27:41
  Yahweh. Yes. So in the Old Testament, it's not
• 1:27:45
  just saying Yahweh, Yahweh, Yahweh, Yahweh. Right.
• 1:27:48
  Or Elohim, Elohim, Elohim. It's identifying specifically.
• 1:27:53
  Yeah. So it's saying, like, in those instances,
• 1:27:56
  it will say Yahweh. And some of the translations,
• 1:27:59
  like I said, will be all caps LORD. Yes. And
• 1:28:02
  it's distinguishing. But I think when we see
• 1:28:04
  LORD over and over and over and over again, you
• 1:28:07
  don't realize that actually it's different from
• 1:28:11
  LORD to LORD. Yeah. And some of them don't deserve
• 1:28:16
  uppercase. Right. Some of them are intentionally
• 1:28:19
  not because they are lower G gods. Yeah. And
• 1:28:24
  it doesn't say like capital G God, lowercase
• 1:28:27
  G God. That would almost be easier. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:28:30
  But distinguishing that and understanding that.
• 1:28:32
  So, yeah, there's something very specific about
• 1:28:35
  those boundaries and how that's laid out. So
• 1:28:39
  then, I mean, essentially, maybe the best way
• 1:28:43
  to wrap our heads around it is to just read the
• 1:28:48
  Ephesians passage. Yeah. Do you want to pull
• 1:28:50
  that up? Yeah. So I will say, I'll let you read
• 1:28:54
  it first, actually, before I say this next piece.
• 1:29:00
  I'll say this next piece. This next piece. Yeah.
• 1:29:06
  So I'll just read Ephesians 6. It's talking about
• 1:29:12
  the whole armor of God. And the jump to Ephesians
• 1:29:14
  6, 12 says, For we do not wrestle against flesh
• 1:29:17
  and blood, but against the rulers, against the
• 1:29:21
  authorities, So it's talking about putting on
• 1:29:31
  the armor of God. And the funny thing about that
• 1:29:34
  is like it's not saying literally put on armor.
• 1:29:37
  Right. But it is saying literally put on armor.
• 1:29:40
  But the armor looks different than what you think
• 1:29:42
  it looks like. Like be strong in the Lord and
• 1:29:45
  the strength of his might put on the whole armor
• 1:29:47
  of God that you may be able to stand against
• 1:29:48
  the schemes of the devil. So in this instance,
• 1:29:53
  Paul's using, or the writer of the Ephesians
• 1:29:55
  is using, it's definitely Paul, is using, he's
• 1:30:03
  using this language of you have to put on literal
• 1:30:07
  armor, but That's not physical armor. It's literal,
• 1:30:11
  but it's not physical. And the literal armor
• 1:30:15
  is in order to fight against the schemes of the
• 1:30:18
  devil that are actually happening, but are not
• 1:30:22
  physical. They just, you see the effects of them
• 1:30:26
  physically. Yeah. It's the whole thing of like,
• 1:30:28
  well, you don't see the, like you don't see the
• 1:30:31
  wind, but you see the effects of it, right? Yeah.
• 1:30:35
  And the easiest way to put that, is like there
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  is something there is something as real going
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  on if not more real going on actively right in
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  our midst as what we are aware of uh with our
• 1:30:56
  physical eyes and what we can touch with the
• 1:30:59
  five like five senses like see smell touch like
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  all the I'm just going to not go through all
• 1:31:06
  of them. But, yeah, so then that follows up,
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  and I'll read it again. For we do not wrestle
• 1:31:13
  against flesh and blood, but against the rulers.
• 1:31:15
  So against the authorities, he's saying the armor
• 1:31:21
  of God is not physical. It's literal, and it's
• 1:31:26
  an actual thing. But what we are fighting against.
• 1:31:31
  are the authorities against the cosmic powers
• 1:31:33
  over this present darkness so right now the present
• 1:31:37
  darkness there's cosmic powers that we have to
• 1:31:39
  fight against spiritual forces of evil in the
• 1:31:43
  heavenly places and then he goes on to say you
• 1:31:46
  know take up the whole armor of god yeah so like
• 1:31:49
  we put that on signs and put it on our house
• 1:31:51
  we buy them at hobby lobby but we don't realize
• 1:31:53
  that what we're saying is the devil is in control
• 1:31:57
  of the air as long as we allow him to be in the
• 1:32:01
  spaces that we exist in. Because he has authority
• 1:32:05
  in those places, he has authority in those places
• 1:32:09
  given to both him and this other spiritual authorities.
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  Recognize even there in Paul's letter to Ephesus
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  that there are other spiritual authorities. even
• 1:32:24
  outside of the devil, more than just the devil.
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  And the devil there is used kind of like what
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  we were talking about with Yahweh. It's used
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  as a specific, talking about a specific entity
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  or specific character. I like that you said it
• 1:32:40
  like that. And so in that way, then there are
• 1:32:43
  other spiritual things that are... uh in some
• 1:32:47
  ways equivalent to uh the the powers of the devil
• 1:32:51
  yeah um that are over other spaces uh that and
• 1:32:57
  then you kind of go like all right well if you
• 1:32:58
  just read that isolated then you don't really
• 1:33:01
  know what it's like just this ethereal thing
• 1:33:04
  yeah yeah but in reality it's deuteronomy 32
• 1:33:07
  it's very grounded yeah yeah it makes perfect
• 1:33:10
  sense If you understand the layout of how the
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  earth is laid out in these two spaces that interlock.
• 1:33:17
  Yeah, absolutely. This spiritual and natural
• 1:33:20
  movement that is all happening all at once. Yeah.
• 1:33:23
  And it's this different idea that like even Jesus
• 1:33:27
  in the temptation, it's like he wanted physical
• 1:33:30
  food, but he knew that the interlocking of these
• 1:33:33
  two spaces meant that the word of God was more
• 1:33:37
  nourishing. that brought to him by the messengers
• 1:33:41
  of God was more nourishing than actually putting
• 1:33:44
  bread in his body. Yeah, yeah. Which is cool.
• 1:33:48
  It's really cool. And so I kind of want to try
• 1:33:51
  to tie it all together with this in answering
• 1:33:55
  that question of is Satan our landlord? That
• 1:34:02
  would be a good shirt. Satan's not my landlord.
• 1:34:05
  He's not my landlord. That would be a good shirt.
• 1:34:08
  It would be a good shirt. I'd wear that. On a
• 1:34:12
  pocket tee. And it's like, it's always a pocket
• 1:34:14
  tee. It has to be. I think I got to be a pocket
• 1:34:16
  tee guy now. You do. But yeah, it's kind of like,
• 1:34:20
  no, yes, kind of, maybe. It's like, it kind of,
• 1:34:24
  the answer has changed over time. Right. But
• 1:34:27
  ultimately it's like, so what happened? We saw
• 1:34:30
  that we were given the authority. We messed it
• 1:34:33
  up and God said, you know what? We got to rework
• 1:34:36
  this. So he workshopped it and gave some of that
• 1:34:40
  authority of the nations to other Elohim. Right.
• 1:34:44
  And they messed it up, too. And God's like, you
• 1:34:46
  know, you're driving me crazy. So what does he
• 1:34:50
  say? Well, we see in verses like in chapters
• 1:34:53
  like Isaiah 66, where God says, I'm going to
• 1:34:56
  take the nations back. Yeah. And then we see
• 1:34:58
  throughout Acts where he's like, yeah, he's taking
• 1:35:01
  the nations back. Yeah. And it comes down to.
• 1:35:06
  I love the way Colossians 1, 15 through 23 says
• 1:35:10
  it, the way Paul writes it. Yeah. Our boy Paul
• 1:35:13
  again. He says, And he is before all things,
• 1:35:35
  and in him all things hold together. And he is
• 1:35:39
  the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning,
• 1:35:42
  the firstborn from the dead, that in everything
• 1:35:45
  he might be preeminent. For in him all the fullness
• 1:35:49
  of God was pleased to dwell, and through him
• 1:35:52
  to reconcile himself all things, whether on earth
• 1:35:55
  or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his
• 1:35:58
  cross. And you who once were alienated and hostile
• 1:36:03
  in mind, doing evil deeds, he has now reconciled
• 1:36:07
  in his body of flesh by his death in order to
• 1:36:11
  present you holy and blameless and above reproach
• 1:36:14
  before him. If indeed you continue in the faith,
• 1:36:17
  stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope
• 1:36:20
  of the gospel that you heard, which has been
• 1:36:22
  proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and
• 1:36:25
  of which I, Paul, became a minister. And why
• 1:36:29
  I love that so much, it kind of speaks for itself.
• 1:36:32
  Yeah. But it's, yes, we messed it up, but Christ
• 1:36:37
  became flesh. Yes. He was subject unto death,
• 1:36:42
  but he overcame death, making him preeminent
• 1:36:46
  over all things, including death. Yes. And because
• 1:36:49
  of that, he is worthy. to reclaim the nations
• 1:36:54
  for himself. He can overcome any other earthly
• 1:36:58
  authority, whether that is the powers and principalities,
• 1:37:02
  whether that's a human being, it doesn't matter.
• 1:37:04
  Yeah. Because he is preeminent over everything.
• 1:37:06
  It now belongs to him. Right. And it doesn't
• 1:37:09
  stop there. If we are steadfast in our faith,
• 1:37:12
  he says we will be alongside him. Right. He wants
• 1:37:15
  to reestablish us with him. Yeah. And I think
• 1:37:19
  that's beautiful. It is. And let me land that
• 1:37:22
  also with a practical instance. Yeah. Because
• 1:37:25
  the truth is, so then it's like, well, wait,
• 1:37:28
  Paul, are you saying that Jesus has now, in this
• 1:37:35
  moment, taken now the whole earth as his inheritance?
• 1:37:41
  And the answer would be like, yes, but not right
• 1:37:44
  now, technically. Technically, yes, but also—and
• 1:37:48
  that's where we see the apostles. I mean, Paul's
• 1:37:51
  a great example of that. Yeah. When we see the
• 1:37:53
  movement of them on a map. Right. It's actually
• 1:37:55
  a really cool thing to see. When you look at
• 1:37:57
  the original nations and where they're placed
• 1:37:59
  and then where the apostles' ministry starts.
• 1:38:02
  Yeah. And, like, why does Paul want to go to
• 1:38:04
  Spain so bad? Yeah. It's like because that's
• 1:38:07
  the that's Tarshish. That's the end of the end
• 1:38:10
  of the known nations at the time. So it's like,
• 1:38:13
  what are they doing? He's going through and reclaiming.
• 1:38:15
  He's proclaiming the gospel of Christ to take
• 1:38:18
  back the nations. Yeah. And so it's kind of this
• 1:38:21
  is this move of like, yes, he is the ruler, the
• 1:38:25
  rightful ruler of everything. But it didn't just
• 1:38:28
  happen like that. Right. It's happening. Well,
• 1:38:32
  and. And it's not in its fulfillment until he
• 1:38:35
  returns and sets everything right. Correct. Because
• 1:38:38
  to clarify that, also Paul's writing in the other
• 1:38:43
  spaces basically talks about this present darkness.
• 1:38:48
  So even though that's true and he writes that
• 1:38:51
  in Colossians, in Ephesians, it's still the present
• 1:38:58
  darkness. Yeah, exactly. So then the question
• 1:39:00
  is, Okay, but Jesus has taken back all of the
• 1:39:05
  nations. True. But in which form does he currently
• 1:39:10
  take back the nations? And the answer is the
• 1:39:13
  reversal of Babel. Yes. The day of Pentecost.
• 1:39:16
  Which is what we see right there. Right, when
• 1:39:18
  the Holy Spirit is poured out on the earth. And
• 1:39:20
  when the Holy Spirit is poured out on the earth,
• 1:39:22
  all of a sudden, by the power of the Holy Spirit,
• 1:39:24
  in someone who believes and confesses Jesus,
• 1:39:29
  It has the Spirit of God living on the inside
• 1:39:31
  of them. Yeah. Wherever they are, that's where
• 1:39:35
  he has taken back the nations. Yeah. So that's
• 1:39:41
  why— We see the language in the Greek in the
• 1:39:43
  Pentecost event in Acts 2. Yeah. It's like what
• 1:39:47
  we see the language comparing that versus the
• 1:39:50
  Septuagint is very similar language to Genesis
• 1:39:54
  11, Tower of Babel, and Deuteronomy 32. Right.
• 1:39:58
  And we see that as the nations were split and
• 1:40:02
  the languages were split. Yeah. And what do we
• 1:40:04
  see happening at Pentecost? This is what you
• 1:40:06
  just said. Yeah. We see all the languages and
• 1:40:08
  nations coming together. Right. And they understand
• 1:40:10
  one another. Yeah. And it's like, that's what
• 1:40:12
  he's doing. Yeah. Yeah. It's the age of the Gentiles.
• 1:40:16
  Yeah. Where all mankind can come to know the
• 1:40:19
  Lord. Yes. But it has to happen through Israel.
• 1:40:22
  And so that's the thing is like, now you go,
• 1:40:25
  all right, well, it still is the present darkness.
• 1:40:28
  And there are still the rulers and principalities
• 1:40:31
  over all of the regions that were broken out
• 1:40:34
  and described in Deuteronomy 32. That still exists
• 1:40:38
  currently. However, if you are a Christian with
• 1:40:42
  the Holy Spirit on the inside of you, then wherever
• 1:40:44
  you go, all of that present darkness is something
• 1:40:49
  that you have armor. Yeah. In Ephesians 6. upon
• 1:40:54
  you that nullifies that boundary all of a sudden
• 1:40:58
  wherever you go those principalities have no
• 1:41:02
  authority over you they have no ability however
• 1:41:05
  if you walk into a space and you don't bring
• 1:41:08
  that armor and you don't bring the holy spirit
• 1:41:10
  with you then you are subject to the ruler of
• 1:41:15
  that area in that region yeah and like a really
• 1:41:18
  a really easy and practical way that you can
• 1:41:21
  think about that is like have you ever gone to
• 1:41:23
  one city and been like, there's a feel here.
• 1:41:27
  And then you go to a different city and it's
• 1:41:29
  like, there's also a feel here, but it's different
• 1:41:33
  from the other one. Absolutely. Different rulers,
• 1:41:36
  different principalities, and different things
• 1:41:39
  that can come against you in those spaces. So
• 1:41:43
  depending on where you are, you might see, like
• 1:41:47
  there might be, you can look at maps and go like,
• 1:41:50
  this area over here deals a lot more with this
• 1:41:54
  thing or this vice or this whatever than the
• 1:41:58
  rest of the world. Yeah. Well, that's probably
• 1:42:01
  because of whatever principality or whatever
• 1:42:05
  prince of that principality is good at. Yeah.
• 1:42:13
  I don't know how else to say that. Yeah, I think
• 1:42:17
  that's it. Yeah, so that is a really cool thing.
• 1:42:21
  So all of that stuff exists all the way through,
• 1:42:23
  and it all ties in. Yeah. This is why we can't
• 1:42:26
  throw out the Old Testament. 100%. Because otherwise
• 1:42:29
  it doesn't make sense. The New Testament doesn't
• 1:42:31
  make sense. It doesn't mean anything. It doesn't.
• 1:42:33
  Yeah. Unless you stay on the surface level of
• 1:42:37
  you just, I'm just going to stay with Jesus.
• 1:42:39
  Yeah, do that. Just good. Absolutely do that.
• 1:42:41
  Yeah, do that. But also... And there's also the
• 1:42:45
  simple gospel that goes all the way through that
• 1:42:48
  is all right there. It's not like we didn't use
• 1:42:52
  any external things in this conversation. Everything
• 1:42:55
  is literally just the text. That's the only thing
• 1:42:58
  we've quoted today. Yeah, just don't ignore what
• 1:43:01
  the actual Bible says. And read all of it more
• 1:43:06
  because... As you go through, you're like, oh,
• 1:43:09
  this relates to this, relates to this, relates
• 1:43:11
  to this. And it's not like you're doing this
• 1:43:15
  investigation. It's all right there. And it's
• 1:43:18
  like the questions, because I think what happens
• 1:43:19
  when we just stick to the New Testament. Yeah.
• 1:43:22
  Again, it's beautiful stuff. Yeah. But it's like,
• 1:43:25
  why is it so good? Right. And it's like, well,
• 1:43:28
  because, and why do we have so many questions?
• 1:43:30
  It's like, well, because we don't know the Old
• 1:43:31
  Testament. Yes. So many simple questions can
• 1:43:33
  be answered if we know what the story is. Yeah.
• 1:43:36
  It's like we know the ending of the story. Right.
• 1:43:38
  It's like watching the Return of the King, but
• 1:43:40
  you never watch the Two Towers of the Fellowship.
• 1:43:42
  Yeah. There's a little Lord of the Rings reference.
• 1:43:45
  Yeah. So then you go all the way back. Why is
• 1:43:47
  that third movie so good? Yeah. Because of the
• 1:43:49
  buildup to that point. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:43:53
  I mean, no joke is funny without a setup. Right.
• 1:43:56
  But like, so think about it. Think about it in
• 1:43:59
  this instance, then go back to the temptation
• 1:44:01
  of Christ. So if the if. Jacob, if the inheritance
• 1:44:09
  of Jacob is allotted to the Lord, and where is
• 1:44:15
  Jesus? He's in the inheritance of Jacob that
• 1:44:19
  at the time when he was there was no longer allotted
• 1:44:25
  to the Lord. Yeah. That's... Because the rulers
• 1:44:32
  of the space was not Israel. The rulers of the
• 1:44:40
  space was Rome. And the Roman emperor's prince
• 1:44:46
  was not God. It was not Yahweh. It was the devil.
• 1:44:54
  So Rome's flourishing in that space. And then
• 1:45:00
  you also go into, all right, well, all of Rome
• 1:45:03
  extended way out past the inheritance of Jacob.
• 1:45:08
  And so when the devil shows him all of the nations,
• 1:45:13
  if you get a little bit more specific, it's all
• 1:45:18
  of the Roman Empire. And essentially Caesar is...
• 1:45:27
  the human acting of the devil in that region.
• 1:45:33
  Yeah. And it's specific to that. So that doesn't
• 1:45:36
  mean that the inheritance of Jacob won't be the
• 1:45:41
  Lord's, but he had given it. Yeah. Because the
• 1:45:49
  people of Israel had abandoned him. Yes. And
• 1:45:53
  walked away from him. And that was the only sovereign
• 1:45:56
  place, which is why everybody traveled to it.
• 1:45:59
  Yeah. I mean, what did they say? They said we
• 1:46:01
  want a king like every other nation. Yeah. And
• 1:46:04
  what did they get? They got it. Yeah. Yeah. The
• 1:46:09
  giant Saul himself. Nice. A little Easter egg
• 1:46:15
  or something later maybe. I'm sure it will. But
• 1:46:21
  yeah. Yeah. I think with that it's like it's.
• 1:46:23
  It's so cool because there is a full story inside
• 1:46:26
  of this one temptation that's been given. Sure.
• 1:46:29
  And we see that story carry in. And it's like,
• 1:46:32
  that's why, one, that's why the devil said what
• 1:46:36
  he said. And Jesus did what he did. And so how
• 1:46:40
  does that affect us now? Well, we live in the
• 1:46:43
  knowledge of what has been done and what is being
• 1:46:45
  done. Yeah. And because of that, we get to live
• 1:46:51
  in that authority. Yeah. Well, and let me say,
• 1:46:53
  based on what I just said as well, it doesn't
• 1:46:55
  mean that the Lord is not over or that allotment
• 1:47:00
  wasn't his. It's just that when the people rejected
• 1:47:05
  him, it allowed other princes to step into that
• 1:47:09
  principality. And so when that does happen and
• 1:47:13
  those borders do break in that instance, specifically
• 1:47:16
  with the devil pushing into that space, that's
• 1:47:19
  why... that specific region has had so much turmoil
• 1:47:24
  yeah um and i remember when i was in israel uh
• 1:47:28
  there's there was like this little like garden
• 1:47:33
  and it was like there was like a plaque of george
• 1:47:36
  bush on it which was really funny to me and like
• 1:47:40
  say what you will about george bush and like
• 1:47:42
  yeah like there's tons of things that are interesting
• 1:47:46
  about the anyways An Israeli told me as I was
• 1:47:52
  talking to them that they said George Bush, he
• 1:47:58
  understood that the conflicts going on here are
• 1:48:03
  not flesh and blood. And he wasn't saying, so
• 1:48:10
  what he's doing is great. He was just saying
• 1:48:13
  he understood that it wasn't just what we see.
• 1:48:18
  And I was like, that's that's actually really
• 1:48:20
  interesting. That's really interesting. So like
• 1:48:22
  there there is that battle that feels very cosmic.
• 1:48:26
  Yeah. And it's that it's the Lord's inheritance.
• 1:48:29
  But as soon as they allow the others in, here
• 1:48:32
  they come. Yeah. You know, and so that that particular
• 1:48:36
  area, as allotted as the Lord's inheritance,
• 1:48:40
  has been under attack. ever since it became the
• 1:48:45
  Lord's inheritance. It became allotted as the
• 1:48:49
  Lord's. So, yeah. So, like, where you are is
• 1:48:54
  going to feel different because there's a different
• 1:48:56
  prince over that principality. Yeah. And princes
• 1:48:59
  and principalities is not just, like, a hard
• 1:49:01
  thing to say. It actually means a prince that's
• 1:49:05
  over a principality, which is a region. Yeah.
• 1:49:09
  Because, like, whatever city you live in, That's
• 1:49:12
  a principality. The city itself. And they actually
• 1:49:15
  use that language. It's the same language we
• 1:49:17
  use. Yeah, it is. Yeah, because everything on
• 1:49:20
  Earth is a reflection of the... That's a different
• 1:49:23
  episode. That is. That's the first time we've
• 1:49:25
  said that. I think. In this episode. Yeah. So,
• 1:49:32
  Paul, is Satan my landlord? Yes, no, maybe kind
• 1:49:38
  of. I guess that's really up to... uh my decisions
• 1:49:43
  daily with holiness yeah honestly that's it yeah
• 1:49:47
  that's really it yeah and it's cool because it
• 1:49:51
  reminds me and i know we're closing here yeah
• 1:49:54
  but it reminds me of the hero israel the lord
• 1:49:57
  your god is one yeah and we get to make that
• 1:50:00
  decision we should make that decision every day
• 1:50:02
  yes and we should write that as the verse itself
• 1:50:05
  says write that on your doorpost to remember
• 1:50:08
  that it's like today i choose to serve the lord
• 1:50:10
  yeah You heard it here first. Satan is not my
• 1:50:18
  landlord. Heck no. Three, two, one.