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The Late Debate | 1 April · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Wait wait, welcome to the Lake to play great to
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  Speaker 1: have your company.
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  Speaker 2: I'm James Macpherson with Denika to Georgio and Caleb Bond.
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  Speaker 1: We're all getting ready for Easter.
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  Speaker 2: Are you going to obey the Prime Minister Caleb and
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  Speaker 2: go about Easter as per normal?
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  Speaker 1: What are you planning?
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  Speaker 3: Well?
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  Speaker 4: No, actually I've only got one day off this weekend,
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  Speaker 4: so I'll be here on Friday, Good Friday. Make sure
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  Speaker 4: you're here five pm for the Bond Report and then
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  Speaker 4: I'll be back on Sunday hosting Paul Murray Live.
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  Speaker 5: So I'm very busy. Disease straight you get?
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  Speaker 1: What about you, Danika? What are your plans?
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  Speaker 6: I'm going to Perth.
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  Speaker 7: I'm going home for the weekend, so I'll be a
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  Speaker 7: guzzling feel on that quantas Sarah plane. So no, I'm
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  Speaker 7: not listening to the Prime Minister at all.
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing my annual trip to the Good Friday game
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  Speaker 2: in Melbourne between North Melbourne and Carlton.
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  Speaker 6: And you're a plane as well.
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  Speaker 1: I am, And I don't know what for.
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  Speaker 2: We lose that game every single year, so he's hoping
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  Speaker 2: this is different.
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  Speaker 6: Why would you, brother?
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  Speaker 1: Exactly?
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  Speaker 8: That's our Easter.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what's coming up tonight?
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  Speaker 2: An Islamic preacher who praised Hitler is deported from The
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  Speaker 2: question is why the Albanezy government ever allowed him in
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  Speaker 2: in the first place. A former Department of Homeland Security
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  Speaker 2: secretary speaks out after revelations her husband is a cross
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  Speaker 2: dresser who takes selfies wearing oversized fake boobs. And before
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  Speaker 2: you ask, no, that has nothing to do with April Fools.
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  Speaker 1: Plus.
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  Speaker 2: In the latest edition of Government's Gone Mad, a Melbourne
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  Speaker 2: council spends thousands of dollars on a replica piece of fruit.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get to all of that a little later, but first,
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  Speaker 2: victorious ban on mobile phones in public schools will be
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  Speaker 2: expanded to Catholic and private schools from January next year,
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  Speaker 2: and Victoria will be the first state in the country
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  Speaker 2: to go further than banning phones. They'll also ban students
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  Speaker 2: from wearing smart watches or headphones or any other device
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  Speaker 2: that connects to the Internet.
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  Speaker 9: We are introducing legislation to Parliament to not only ban
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  Speaker 9: mobile phones in non government schools, but we're going to
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  Speaker 9: go one step further and ban and legislative ban all
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  Speaker 9: the device. Says that the smart watchers, the other wearable
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  Speaker 9: devices that we are seeing are also playing a disruptive
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  Speaker 9: role for teachers, for staff, and for students.
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  Speaker 2: What's that expression? Even a broken clock is right twice
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  Speaker 2: a day. It's no secret that education standards need to improve,
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  Speaker 2: and anything that removes distractions from the classroom should be welcome.
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  Speaker 2: I think everyone would support this move, Danika.
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  Speaker 7: No, actually, I'm against it, to be honest, I think
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  Speaker 7: we live in such nanny states, authoritarian regimes where their
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  Speaker 7: only solution to everything is to ban, ban, ban, Well,
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  Speaker 7: how about you let schools and you let principles make
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  Speaker 7: the decisions for themselves. For example, when I was at school,
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  Speaker 7: mobile phones were banned, and I can tell you I
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  Speaker 7: do not recall ever seeing a mobile phone ever pop
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  Speaker 7: out in the classroom.
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  Speaker 6: And you know, did some of us.
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  Speaker 7: Sneak into our bags in the middle of the day
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  Speaker 7: and quickly send off a text?
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  Speaker 6: Yes, but who cares.
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  Speaker 7: The point is is if schools principles cannot enforce rules themselves,
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  Speaker 7: if they can't make the decisions for themselves, that I'm
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  Speaker 7: sorry they're in the wrong job. I think we've got
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  Speaker 7: to stop being so heavy handed and actually leave adults
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  Speaker 7: at organizations institutions to make decisions for themselves. And the
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  Speaker 7: other point I make is she's also banning headphones. Just
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  Speaker 7: hinter we use headphones in the classroom. I remember using
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  Speaker 7: headphones in the classroom, so I'm not sure. I'm not
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  Speaker 7: so it doesn't matter what kind of headphones. If they're
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  Speaker 7: wireless stares, they're not. Why if you've got.
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  Speaker 4: The wireless ones, you can surreptitiously use them to connect
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  Speaker 4: them up to a device that you have hidden in
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  Speaker 4: your bag that you're not meant to have, so you
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  Speaker 4: can be listen.
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  Speaker 7: But if you're actually doing something, if you're listening to
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  Speaker 7: something that's meant to be for educational purposes on your laptop,
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  Speaker 7: I don't see what the problem with the wide headphones.
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  Speaker 5: You've got to of the old officers up stairs.
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  Speaker 6: We'll get the wide headphones, then get the wide headphone.
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  Speaker 7: The boy she said all headphones.
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  Speaker 4: No she didn't all hellas headphones.
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  Speaker 5: It says he's not.
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  Speaker 4: Banning all Okay, Look, if they ban all headphones in schools,
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  Speaker 4: then we'll have this discussion again. That's not what they're
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  Speaker 4: going to do, Tonega. Seriously, they're banning bluetooth headphones, wireless
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  Speaker 4: headphones that you can connect up to another device.
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  Speaker 5: She's talking about.
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  Speaker 4: Things that can be connected to the Internet or wirelessly
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  Speaker 4: connected to other devices.
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  Speaker 5: And fair enough.
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  Speaker 4: Now, I agree with you in principle that schools and
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  Speaker 4: principles should have more control over how their schools operate
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  Speaker 4: because they understand best what works for their students and
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  Speaker 4: what works for their local area, et cetera. Or they
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  Speaker 4: ought to anyway. But the difference here is that the
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  Speaker 4: lines have been blurred between the educational purposes of electronic
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  Speaker 4: devices and the personal purposes of electronic devices. When you
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  Speaker 4: and I were going to school, we had computer rooms, right,
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  Speaker 4: and then slowly it crept into you could bring your
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  Speaker 4: own devices, and you started bringing your own laptop and
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  Speaker 4: these sorts of things to school. It has since changed
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  Speaker 4: significantly since then to the point where kids are of
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  Speaker 4: course going to school with smartphones, which are you know,
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  Speaker 4: sure you can do educational things on them, but you
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  Speaker 4: can do a hell of a lot more on them.
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  Speaker 4: You can use them surreptitiously under a desk, like you
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  Speaker 4: couldn't use a laptop that a student had brought to
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  Speaker 4: school when I was going to school.
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  Speaker 5: Et cetera.
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  Speaker 4: It has gone beyond the point of simply well you know,
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  Speaker 4: we can use it for education. And so the point
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  Speaker 4: of having this in place is that there is no
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  Speaker 4: argument now from parents. Correct, there is no argument from
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  Speaker 4: students about, well, I'm bringing my phone to class because
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  Speaker 4: I'm doing work on it as well. It simply says
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  Speaker 4: you will use electronic devices as you are allowed to
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  Speaker 4: do by the school, i e. A laptop that's provided
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  Speaker 4: by the school, a computer that's provided by the school
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  Speaker 4: for educational purposes.
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  Speaker 5: It removes any.
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  Speaker 4: Ambiguity about all those other devices, including Apple watches and
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  Speaker 4: headphones and whatever else.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, but you can still log into Facebook and Instagram
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  Speaker 7: on a school laptop, so be quider to so, because
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  Speaker 7: it's not going to get rid of it, so that
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  Speaker 7: it's not going to get rid of it altogether.
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  Speaker 1: That's okay.
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  Speaker 4: But I suppose we're now saying that the perfect is
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  Speaker 4: going to be the enemy of the good, and because
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  Speaker 4: we can't achieve absolute perfection, you're saying that there should
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  Speaker 4: be no rules whatsoever.
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  Speaker 6: No rules whatsoever. Come on, Like, did I say no
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  Speaker 6: rules whatsoever.
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  Speaker 5: That's not what I said, no rule from the state game. No.
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  Speaker 7: I just think we've got to stop being this authoritarian
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  Speaker 7: nanny state and we've got to start taking some personal responsibility.
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  Speaker 6: Now, I do not.
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  Speaker 7: I do agree in that kids can't be on their
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  Speaker 7: phones all day, every day while they're in classrooms learning.
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  Speaker 7: Do I have a problem with a child taking their
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  Speaker 7: phone to score and keeping it in a bag.
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  Speaker 6: No, I don't. I don't have an issue with that whatsoever.
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  Speaker 1: I don't.
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  Speaker 6: And the other thing is is I mean, I look,
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  Speaker 6: I'm curious.
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  Speaker 7: To know what parents think of this, and this is
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  Speaker 7: where I'd love to know your thoughts on this, James.
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  Speaker 7: But I know that, for example, my parents would have
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  Speaker 7: felt very comfortable and happy that I would have had
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  Speaker 7: a phone in my bag in the event of emergency,
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  Speaker 7: that I would be able to contact them if something
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  Speaker 7: was to happen at school.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sympathetic to your point of view that we need
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  Speaker 2: to grant schools as much autonomy as we can. However,
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  Speaker 2: I think that argument falls down in the fact that
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  Speaker 2: there aren't schools arguing against this ban. In fact, most schools,
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  Speaker 2: I think are quite thrilled that the state government is
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  Speaker 2: going to take the heat from students and from parents,
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  Speaker 2: as you said, Caleb, and schools can then say, look,
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  Speaker 2: we didn't decide this, it's a state government policy, so
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  Speaker 2: you won't have a line of parents outside your office
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  Speaker 2: store arguing the point, or students doing the same. I
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  Speaker 2: think most parents would be pretty pleased about this. The
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  Speaker 2: fact is if your kids need to get hold of you,
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  Speaker 2: they can go to the school office make a phone
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  Speaker 2: call like we used to do. Kids don't need to
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  Speaker 2: have phones at schools and they are a massive distraction.
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  Speaker 2: I think most parents will be happy and most schools
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  Speaker 2: will be happy the government have made this decision as well.
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  Speaker 4: It doesn't preclude you from taking the phone to school.
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  Speaker 4: It means it can't be used in school hours, so
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  Speaker 4: you can still.
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  Speaker 6: Used to do it.
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  Speaker 7: When I was at school, Caleb, it would sit in
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  Speaker 7: the bag right and you wouldn't You wouldn't be on there.
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  Speaker 2: And say you must have been a very unusually well
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  Speaker 2: behaved student.
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  Speaker 7: I actually like it was enforced enough though we knew
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  Speaker 7: the rules. I went to a private school and we
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  Speaker 7: knew the rules. The rules were the rules, and if
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  Speaker 7: you were using your phone in the classroom you would
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  Speaker 7: have been penalized for it.
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  Speaker 6: I love that.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, we talked last night about this, all
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  Speaker 4: this violence that's been committed against principles and teachers. One
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  Speaker 4: of the main things teachers complained about is that there
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  Speaker 4: is just a complete lack of discipline within the classroom.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 4: The children are unruly, the parents are aroundruly, and so
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  Speaker 4: what this does is sure.
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  Speaker 5: I mean you say the rules are the rules. A
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  Speaker 5: lot of people don't think the rules.
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  Speaker 4: Are the rules anymore, and this just puts another level
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  Speaker 4: of import on those rules.
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  Speaker 5: It is in law from the state government. This is
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  Speaker 5: how it is.
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  Speaker 4: There's no getting around it whatsoever, no if snow bats.
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  Speaker 4: I think it just gives it a certain level of
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  Speaker 4: importance that you know, the principal walking around saying, well,
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  Speaker 4: I don't thin you should use your phone.
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  Speaker 7: Well, well, I mean well, I mean if the kids
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  Speaker 7: have got a problem with authority, and then that comes
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  Speaker 7: down to the parenting.
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  Speaker 6: That's a whole one, that's a whole other matter.
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  Speaker 2: Then that's a whole When I was at school, we
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  Speaker 2: used to have two tin cans connected by a long
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  Speaker 2: string and we had to leave it in our bag
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  Speaker 2: until lunch.
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  Speaker 8: It was really tough.
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  Speaker 5: Those were the good old days.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, I mean I remember when they were rolling out
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  Speaker 4: at it. Maschool is smart boards, right, I mean, there
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  Speaker 4: was a time when it was thought that getting as
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  Speaker 4: much technology the classroom as possible was a good thing,
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  Speaker 4: and I think we've now realized, after a good decade
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  Speaker 4: of evidence on that that that's not so much that.
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  Speaker 7: One more point before we move on, My school was
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  Speaker 7: actually the very first in the country to have laptops,
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  Speaker 7: and my class, my year group, was the very first.
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  Speaker 6: I think we're in year five.
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  Speaker 5: Well you went to some hoity toity year little.
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  Speaker 7: No, I didn't, actually, but yeah, we were the first
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  Speaker 7: of the We didn't have lots to have laptops.
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  Speaker 6: We did, we had laptops. We all had laptops when
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  Speaker 6: we're in year five.
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  Speaker 5: Good grief, there you go, Janika up in the world.
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  Speaker 5: I'll tell you what.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't like that at public school anyway, not little,
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  Speaker 4: quite a large public school. But still it took us
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  Speaker 4: a while to get to those sort of heights. One
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  Speaker 4: of the other things you'll notice, of course, about kids
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  Speaker 4: these days at school is that every second one of
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  Speaker 4: them seems to have some sort of diagnosis. They've either
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  Speaker 4: got ADHD or they've got autism, etc. Now, a lot
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  Speaker 4: of these kids who have autism, as we now call it,
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  Speaker 4: is actually what used to be called aspergers, but in
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  Speaker 4: the DSM five, they got rid of the idea of aspergers,
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  Speaker 4: which is, you know, a high functioning form of autism
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  Speaker 4: on the spectrum of autism, and then just decided that
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  Speaker 4: everything would be called autism. So now you have very
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  Speaker 4: high functioning people who perhaps have a few quirks that
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  Speaker 4: we now call autistic. Everyone wants to be autistic or
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  Speaker 4: ADHD or whatever because it may get them some funding,
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  Speaker 4: it may get them on a list, it may get
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  Speaker 4: them some special dispensation at school. I've been saying these
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  Speaker 4: things for a long time. A lot of psychologists and
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  Speaker 4: psychiatrists have been saying this for a long time. We've
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  Speaker 4: been till talking about it on this program for years. Well,
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  Speaker 4: I'm pleased to tell you that a UK government report
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  Speaker 4: has now confirmed this. So this is not just people
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  Speaker 4: saying anecdotally this is what they think they've seen. This
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  Speaker 4: is a sanctioned report commissioned by the government in the
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  Speaker 4: UK that now says this is exactly what is going on.
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  Speaker 4: This is from the Times of London today. They write
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  Speaker 4: that the interim report, commissioned by the Health Secretary's Streeting
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  Speaker 4: found there were incentives to seek a diagnosis because it
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  Speaker 4: is the gateway to unlock access to special adjustments at
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  Speaker 4: school and work. There was credible evidence of increasing psychological
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  Speaker 4: distress behind arise in mental health diagnoses, it said, but
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  Speaker 4: normal difficulties may also be quote increasingly interpreted primarily through
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  Speaker 4: a medical lens. We're taking normal parts of life and
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  Speaker 4: saying that we have to deal with them in a
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  Speaker 4: medical manner where the otherwise would not have done so.
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  Speaker 4: It goes on to say that historical analyses show that
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  Speaker 4: behaviors in children, once regarded as within the range of
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  Speaker 4: normal variation, or even as something to be welcomed in
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  Speaker 4: some contexts, are now more often interpreted as requiring intervention
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  Speaker 4: or treatment. Basically, what they're saying is kids and parents
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  Speaker 4: are being encouraged to have diagnoses for their children in
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  Speaker 4: situations where otherwise we would have said, ah, that's just
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  Speaker 4: a normal part of life. We are medicalizing absolutely everything now,
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  Speaker 4: and I suppose can you blame parents and kids if
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  Speaker 4: there's an offer of special dispensation at school for going
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  Speaker 4: ahead with this kind of thing. But this is the
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  Speaker 4: first time I've seen a government actually acknowledge what is
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  Speaker 4: going on. They have a report in front of them
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  Speaker 4: to say this is real it's not just anecdotal.
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  Speaker 1: It is real.
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  Speaker 2: Your governments are slow to pick this up. Every parent
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  Speaker 2: knows how it works. Little Johnny misbehaves in class and
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  Speaker 2: pretty quickly you get a teacher contacting you saying have
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  Speaker 2: you thought about having Johnny tested for ADHD? And you're
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  Speaker 2: strongly encouraged to do so because the diagnosis means two
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  Speaker 2: things for the school. One, your child would be medicated
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  Speaker 2: and therefore better behaved, and the school will get extra
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  Speaker 2: funding to provide the support that little Johnny needs. It's
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  Speaker 2: interesting that boys, Danika typically I think it's two to
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  Speaker 2: three times more likely to be diagnosed with ADHD than
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  Speaker 2: girls in school. And this is a theory, so shoot
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  Speaker 2: me down if it's crazy. But I wonder if female
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  Speaker 2: teachers are overwhelmingly the majority in schools. Boys can't sit still,
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  Speaker 2: they don't want to listen, They fidget constantly, they want
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  Speaker 2: to agitate and move around. I know from experience when
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  Speaker 2: one of our kids went to a male teacher, it
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  Speaker 2: was a world of difference, and the female teachers.
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  Speaker 1: Were all great.
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  Speaker 2: I just wonder if they didn't quite understand him. Was
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  Speaker 2: the male teacher just immediately a difference in his behavior?
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  Speaker 2: I wonder if more boys in particular are being diagnosed,
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  Speaker 2: because it's easier for most schools to have children medicated
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  Speaker 2: to behave better extra funding. It's a win for everybody,
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  Speaker 2: but unfortunately it's not a win for kids because many
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  Speaker 2: of them, as this report says, are being diagnosed and
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  Speaker 2: medicated unnecessarily.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think you raise a good point because typically,
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  Speaker 7: of course boys are naughtier than girls. They don't sit still,
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  Speaker 7: they're more likely to cause a ruckus and misbehave in
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  Speaker 7: the classroom, and so naturally the parents get a call.
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  Speaker 7: Suddenly little Johnny, as you mentioned, is taken off to
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  Speaker 7: the doctors. Oh, here's a prescription, put him on ADHD medication,
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  Speaker 7: and at the same time will get him tested to
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  Speaker 7: see if he's on the spectrum, and everybody wins, everybody
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  Speaker 7: gets money out of it. I think this is actually
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  Speaker 7: a worry because the amount of kids that are just
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  Speaker 7: getting rapid diagnoses, and imagine what's going to happen when
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  Speaker 7: they actually grow up. The report also said this that
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  Speaker 7: the medicalization of normal emotions could lead to inappropriate treatment,
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  Speaker 7: and they gave the example of how loneliness is unlikely
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  Speaker 7: to respond to antidepressants, and I think that that is
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  Speaker 7: a good point. So if your kids, you know, it
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  Speaker 7: may be sad going through normal motions of growing up,
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  Speaker 7: growing pains, or you take them to a GP and
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  Speaker 7: suddenly they're put on antidepressants.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, where is that going to lead them when
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  Speaker 6: they move on in their lives.
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  Speaker 7: You're going to have the next generation entering the workforce
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  Speaker 7: where they can't handle anything because you know, they've been
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  Speaker 7: told that if they're upset or stressed out, here's a
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  Speaker 7: tablet to try and deal with it. Productivity drops, and
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  Speaker 7: you're going to have employers having to deal with a
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  Speaker 7: workforce that is completely subpar. I mean it has flow
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  Speaker 7: on effects and I actually think we should be really
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  Speaker 7: really worried about this and what it means for kids
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  Speaker 7: growing up. They're going to be completely incapable of living
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  Speaker 7: their lives.
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  Speaker 2: And there's some now advocating for these diagnoses and prescriptions
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  Speaker 2: to be able to be done over the phone because
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: there's such a backlog of kids.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: Needing to see a specialist and be diagnosed.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: I just think it's poor practice to assume this must
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: be a medical issue rather than behavioral issue. And some
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: behavioral issues are just kids being kids.
• 16:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and all might take is, you know, mum and
• 16:06
  Speaker 7: dad just to sit down and have a proper discussion
• 16:10
  Speaker 7: and chat it out and know that the kid has
• 16:12
  Speaker 7: supported along.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Their joll The thing is, discipline is hard.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: Drugs are easy, and so typically as a culture we
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: take the line of least resistance.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: And I don't blame people.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: Everyone just wants to do the easiest thing possible, but
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: oftentimes the easiest thing is not the right thing.
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: No, you're also getting like in Australia now increasingly getting
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: GPS involved in ADHD in terms of giving them the
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: ability to give out prescriptions, where previously you would have
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: to get a psychiatrist to get prescription for ADHD medications
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: like rittle and dexamfetamine and these sorts of things. So
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: it's just making the road easier when I think there's
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: a pretty fair argument now, particularly when you've got reports
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: like this cropping up, that there is over diagnosis and
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: perhaps we need to be making things harder and looking
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: more seriously, we go ok to the demands going through
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: the roof, so lostening about the demand, Well, why is
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: the demand going.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: Through the roof?
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: There's no curiosity about what is actually behind all of
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: this going be to the point you were making earlier, James.
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: It's simply saying, well, we have a problem, therefore we
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: must alleviate problem. But no one's talking about why the
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: problem exists. And that's perhaps an uncomfortable discussion that a
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: lot of people don't want to have because it's not
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: black and white, it's not ABCD. It takes a fee
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: bit of introspection and to admit that perhaps we've been
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: doing things wrong.
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a good point.
• 17:31
  Speaker 7: Plus, don't forget the majority of NDS participants have an
• 17:34
  Speaker 7: autism diagnosis as well, So we've got issues here in
• 17:37
  Speaker 7: this country with it. Well, look you won't believe this,
• 17:40
  Speaker 7: but Tony Burke has actually deported an Islamic hate preacher. Yes,
• 17:44
  Speaker 7: I mean, are the days of I'm smiling? I'm a later?
• 17:47
  Speaker 7: This is a day of courage. Are they over and out?
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: No?
• 17:50
  Speaker 7: Of course not, because not all is what it seems.
• 17:52
  Speaker 7: Why was this chap on our screen right now? Let
• 17:55
  Speaker 7: enter this country. This is mizener Rahman Azari. He is
• 18:01
  Speaker 7: a radical Islamic preacher who praised Adolf Hitler as a
• 18:04
  Speaker 7: divine punishment against Jews. He said the Jews are the
• 18:07
  Speaker 7: biggest terrorists of the world and called them a poisonous blemish.
• 18:11
  Speaker 7: He also claimed Jewish people were responsible for various troubles
• 18:14
  Speaker 7: of the world, including AIDS, alleging they had been invented
• 18:18
  Speaker 7: the disease. Now here's the thing. He's now been deported
• 18:21
  Speaker 7: from Australia. But it happened while he was midway through
• 18:25
  Speaker 7: would you believe it a speaking tour. Yes, he came
• 18:28
  Speaker 7: into this country and was on a speaking tour of
• 18:31
  Speaker 7: the various states when Tony Burke has.
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: Gone, Oh, actually, maybe something might be quite wrong with this.
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: Hello.
• 18:38
  Speaker 7: Really, so he's from Bangladesh. The Daily Mail is reporting
• 18:42
  Speaker 7: that his visa was canceled on Tuesday.
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: But here's a thing.
• 18:45
  Speaker 7: He was actually previously barred by the UK for hate
• 18:48
  Speaker 7: speech and even in his native Bangladesh, he has been
• 18:52
  Speaker 7: banned from preaching in public congregations because of hate speech allegations.
• 18:56
  Speaker 7: As it is, the opposition is questioning how on earth
• 18:59
  Speaker 7: he was allowed into this country.
• 19:02
  Speaker 10: Indeed, in his home country of Bangladesh, the government then
• 19:05
  Speaker 10: accused him of promoting extremist ideologies and being sympathetic to
• 19:10
  Speaker 10: extremist Islamist groups. The police were instructed in that country
• 19:14
  Speaker 10: to monitor the content of his gatherings because of the
• 19:18
  Speaker 10: divisive nature and hatred that was spread through what he
• 19:21
  Speaker 10: was doing.
• 19:23
  Speaker 7: Well, I mean, maybe if he was an Isis bride,
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: he would have been allowed to stay in the country.
• 19:27
  Speaker 7: You just don't know what the threshold is these days
• 19:30
  Speaker 7: under Tony Burg's laws. But here's what bothers me the most.
• 19:33
  Speaker 7: I find this to be extremely hypocritical, because when you
• 19:36
  Speaker 7: think about it, Tony Burg's going, look, we've done the
• 19:39
  Speaker 7: right thing.
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: We've gotten rid of this guy. He shouldn't have come
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: into this country in the first place.
• 19:44
  Speaker 7: And Labor would have known before he applied for his
• 19:47
  Speaker 7: visa that he had been banned in the UK and
• 19:50
  Speaker 7: had restrictions on him in his native Bangladesh. And don't
• 19:54
  Speaker 7: forget Tony Burk's gone out of his way to ban
• 19:57
  Speaker 7: it was an Israeli. Former Israeli minister al Let Shaked
• 20:01
  Speaker 7: denied the visa of Israeli politician Simcha Rothman, anibanned Israeli
• 20:06
  Speaker 7: American speaker HELLEL.
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: Fulled as well. So, again, what exactly is the threshold
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: under Burke's laws?
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: This guy, as you said, he's said that Hitler was
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: divine punishment on the Jews. He's accused the Jews of
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: inventing HIV and spreading it around the world. And Tony
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Brook's department could have known this if only they'd used Google.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Apparently that's beyond them, but beyond just this speaker who's
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: now been thankfully deported, Should there not, Caleb be an
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: investigation into the Islamic practice and the Darwar Circle who
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: invited this man knowing full well? I am sure, I'm assuming,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: but I'm pretty sure they would have known his background.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: They invited him here. They're a charitable status organization. Surely
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: that should be looked.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: At one hundred percent.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: And I looked up this Islamic practice in Darwar Circle
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: tonight and they had him speak via an online thing.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: This the same bloke five years ago. This video of
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: it on YouTube. I haven't had time to watch it. Also,
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: not entirely sure what he said five years ago, but
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: they've had an association with him previously, so they ought
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: to know what he is about and if they are
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: inviting him out. This guy has now been sent back
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: because of what has been detailed that he has said previously,
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: you'd want to be looking pretty closely into them. I
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: would have thought I had a cursory look through other
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: stuff that they've published online. It all seemed to be
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: pretty you know, straight up and down moderate Islamic content.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: There was nothing I saw there that would make me think, Okay,
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: this outfit is a hot bed of extremist Islamist material.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: But if you're inviting this guy out knowing his history,
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: and again there's no way you don't know his history,
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: you'd have to ask the question, what are you doing
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: and why have you brought him out? Particularly as things
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: stand at the moment. I mean, you know, just months
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: after the worst terror attack in Australian history, which was
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: of course an attack upon Jews, you've decided to bring
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: out a guy who said all of these things.
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: Seems a bit suspect to me.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: I reckon absolutely.
• 22:11
  Speaker 7: Again, the tone is all wrong from this Labor government.
• 22:14
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's not just bringing people like this in,
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: it's deciding whether or not to bring Isis brides in.
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: It's the visas given to the Gazans with little to
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: no security checks. It just seems that Labor couldn't care
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: less about national security in this country.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we'll bring you into the country and then
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: we'll figure out who you are and whether you should
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: be here.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: That's exactly us about.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: If you missed the Prime Minister's national address earlier this evening,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: here's what you missed.
• 22:41
  Speaker 11: No government can promise to eliminate the pressures that this
• 22:45
  Speaker 11: war is causing. I can promise we will do everything
• 22:49
  Speaker 11: we can to protect Australia from the worst of it.
• 22:52
  Speaker 11: Today we cut the fuel excise in half, cutting the
• 22:56
  Speaker 11: tax on every leader of petrol by twenty six cent,
• 23:00
  Speaker 11: and overcoming weeks, if you can switch to catching the
• 23:03
  Speaker 11: train or bus or tram to work, do so. That
• 23:06
  Speaker 11: builds our reserves and it saves fuel for people who
• 23:09
  Speaker 11: have no choice but to drive.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: So to summarize, Greg Sheridan in The Australian described Anthony
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Albaneze's speech to the nation as Dame Edna on a
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: bad night, which I thought was pretty unfair to Dame Edna. Actually,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: basically the Prime Minister, as you heard there, said look
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: we've reduced the excise by half. Enjoy easter and try
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: to think of your neighbor when filling your own tank.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: It was a complete nothing burger that he commandeered every
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: television station in the country and radio broadcast for that
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: beggars belief. You know, there's this assumption that when you
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: become the president of the United States, so the Prime
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Minister of Australia, you grow into the role.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Anthony Alben easy seems to have shrunk into the role.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: If that's the best we can do for national leadership
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: at a time of crisis where we're all tuning in
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: to see what is the government doing, he told us
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: nothing new. It was an advertisement of that which the
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: government has already announced, plus a pat on the head
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: to say, you know, go about your normal business, but
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: on the other hand, don't use more than you ought,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: which is kind of confusing. Matt Canavan pointed that out
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: to Andrew Bolt earlier tonight.
• 24:30
  Speaker 12: The Prime is to say that you can go about
• 24:32
  Speaker 12: your normal business, everything's fine, but then he does want
• 24:35
  Speaker 12: you to make some changes. Which exactly is it?
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: To me?
• 24:40
  Speaker 12: It seems like the Prime Minister is now seeking to
• 24:42
  Speaker 12: sort of set a political table for what might have
• 24:46
  Speaker 12: to be much more stringent measures in the future.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: If the Prime minister's going to have a national address,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: we're all sitting there listening with baited breath. Why not
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: talk about why we don't have our own fuel or
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: why we don't have our own abilit to cargo these
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: this stuff, or why we don't have a boat that
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: we can send to the straight of Hall moves to
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: help clear the joint that would be worth the national address.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: But what he served up tonight was I mean, what
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: was that? Well? What was that?
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: Seriously?
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: When it's very rare for prime ministers to have national
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: addresses and I was thinking back earlier. The last time
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: I remember a national address was during COVID when Scott
• 25:24
  Speaker 7: Morrison was addressing the nation, and there's a lot that
• 25:27
  Speaker 7: relies on it. So if you are going to call
• 25:29
  Speaker 7: a national address, you have to be prepared to lead
• 25:31
  Speaker 7: because you're going to have millions of Australians tuning in
• 25:34
  Speaker 7: all at that one time to get the most up
• 25:36
  Speaker 7: to date information. And I'm still actually quite confused as
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: to what we got because it was just a grandstanding
• 25:46
  Speaker 7: ego boost for him. It was like, oh, no, don't worry, Look,
• 25:49
  Speaker 7: this is all the wonderful things that we're doing. When
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: really are any of us feeling any relief right now?
• 25:55
  Speaker 7: Because for weeks we've been told no, don't panic, everything's okay.
• 25:59
  Speaker 7: Yet it's not our experience, it's not your experience when
• 26:01
  Speaker 7: you're going to the bowsers. So I'm not sort of
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: sure why the Prime Minister tried to gaslight us tonight
• 26:07
  Speaker 7: in a national address. The other thing is is my
• 26:10
  Speaker 7: concern now is is he buttering us up for restrictions
• 26:14
  Speaker 7: in the future, because he kept saying where ready for
• 26:16
  Speaker 7: what lies ahead? And he kept it was a tone
• 26:19
  Speaker 7: of difficulties, difficulties lie ahead. So this is to me
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: go and enjoy your Easter break, don't worry about anything
• 26:27
  Speaker 7: but preemptively something could happen down the line. And don't
• 26:31
  Speaker 7: forget the budget is coming up in May. How this
• 26:34
  Speaker 7: could have an impact. It's very easy now for Jim
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: Chalmers and Labor to blame what's going on overseas for
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: their own failures. I do not trust Labor. If this
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: was meant to calm our nerves personally, it's done the
• 26:47
  Speaker 7: exact opposite.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: But even if that's the case, it was just totally
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: unworthy of a national address from the Primeter. And as
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: you say, you know the last time was COVID and
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: there was a an address from Paul Keating after the
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: Marbo decision. So a momentous occasion in this country, and
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: I think We've had one other address previously.
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: I forget what it was now.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: So this has normally happened at times of serious movement
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: and change in this country, and we've had a national
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: address because we've cut the fuel excise and fuels a
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: bit expensive at the moment.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: Sorry. Like as you said, it was basically an advertisement,
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: and I think it was. I be thinking why would
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: he do this? And I think it was Andrew.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: Bolt I heard earlier this evening say well, he just
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: got himself a free three minute ad on every television
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: station and radio station in the country. That's basically what
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: it was. Because there was nothing new in there. There
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: was nothing that made you go yeah, I now am
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: more aware of what is going on. And if you
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: simply wanted to get that message across, he could have
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: held a press conference at any time today. He could
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: have made a statement in Parliament in question time or whatever,
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: go to Dorothy Dixter to make the statement, and it
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: would have run in every six pm news bulletin tonight
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: on nine to seven ten, seven pm on the ABC,
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: it would have been on seven point thirty on the ABC,
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: would have been on every bulletin on this channel. It
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: would have been on every radio news bulletin as well,
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: so it would have been well covered. But he specifically
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: wanted to have that saturation, so he had his time
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: to say exactly what he wanted without anyone editing it.
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: It was an advertisement.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: It did nothing to alleviate any pressure or concern or
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: tell donation anything it didn't already know.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: It was the point to try to make the Prime
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Minister look like he's calm, he's not flustered, he's in control,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: because the polls are saying that Australians don't trust that
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: the government has this under control. Is that what they're seeing,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: and so we better roll him out. Just take three minutes,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: just address the nation, Just tell them you're doing a
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: few things. It looks like you're acting, It looks like
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: you're on top of things, and you can say if
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: get worse in the days ahead, So it gives the
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: impression that you're planning, that you're in control of this thing,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: which we all believe has gotten beyond the government already.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: They're trying to catch up rather than prepare.
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: I mean that to me was a clip that you
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: should have gone on his social media that just looked
• 29:16
  Speaker 7: like one of his standals the standard social media posts.
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: That was not an address to the nation that has
• 29:21
  Speaker 7: the gravitas that you would be like, thank you Prime
• 29:24
  Speaker 7: Minister for leading in this time of a crisis. You'd
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: go this guy, this guy's got no idea what he's
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: talking about.
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: Well, I'll tell you what.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: You look at the petrol prices at the moment and
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: you probably feel like you're being fleeced.
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: And I'll tell you somewhere else you may feel like
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: you get fleeced. That's a strip club.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: Yes, I know, wrap there tossing the money, or you
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: go for a lap dance. Then afterwards you go, what
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: the hell did I pay two hundred and fifty dollars for.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: I'm not speaking oh experiences. I'm just telling you what
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: goes on in these places. But an interesting little piece
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: in the Telegraph in the UK today talking about the
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: death or perhaps lack of death of the strip club,
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: because there's a new strip club opening up in London,
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: A Stringfellow's Strip Club now Stringfellows, is a chain of
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: strip clubs that has existed around the world for decades.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: It was once run by a bloke called Peter Stringfellow,
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: who was known as the King of clubs in England.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: He died a few years ago. Someone else bought the business.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: They're now trying to expand it. So they want to
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: open a new strip club in London, and The Telegraph
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: wrote a piece basically asking the question is there a
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: place for strip clubs.
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: In the modern world anymore?
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: They said in this piece, the bigger question is why
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: anyone would open a lap dancing club at all. In
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty six, it says strip clubs in Britain have
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: been in decline for years, victims of stricter licensing, changing
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: attitudes and increased competition online. As late as the two thousands,
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: the peak of the industry, it was not unusual for the.
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: Bills to be paid for on corporate credit cards.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: Clubs were acceptable in a venues for entertaining clients, but
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: the financial crisis dented expense accounts, and after the Me
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: Too movement and the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, no pr conscious
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: public figure would admit attending such an entertainment venue.
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: None. I've been the one. I'll admit it. It goes
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: on in London.
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: Numbers of strip clubs started falling after twenty ten, when
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: new laws allowed councils to demand that all such venues
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: apply for an SEV license. Several decided to have a
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: policy of no new licenses at all. Basically, what they're
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: saying is has become.
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: Harder to establish strip clubs. But I'm interested. I'm curious
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: about this line that the Telegraph is running.
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: Basically that in light of the me too movement, then
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: somehow Jeffrey Epstein, which I'm not sure how they've got
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: anything to do with strip clubs whatsoever. I mean, it
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: was a pedophile who was trafficking underage women, which is
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: rather different to a legal and monitored place like a
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: strip club. But is it now unacceptable to go to
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: a strip club?
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: I don't see what the problem is personally, if you
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: want to go to a strip club, why would you
• 32:07
  Speaker 7: care about it.
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: I think the Telegraph, I.
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: Think, was trying to say, oh, women are being degraded
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: because but in the end, these women know what they're doing,
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: they know what they're signing up for, they know that
• 32:17
  Speaker 7: they're going to pay. Men are going to go there
• 32:19
  Speaker 7: to pay for a lap dance, right, you know.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: What you're in for.
• 32:22
  Speaker 7: I don't know what it's going to do with Jeffrey
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: Epstein either to be honest, I think the Telegraph has
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: gone a bit too far with this one, but I'm
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: all for personal responsibility. Again, if you want to go
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: to a strip club, if you want to be a stripper,
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: that's what you want to do.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: Go for it.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: I think the link to Epstein was an attempt to
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: make a pretty boring story about well, essentially, it's a
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: story about council zoning, right, so you're not going to
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: make the front page with that. So they're bought in
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: the Epstein thing, because we all know at the moment
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: you mentioned Epstein, it's a front page story to somehow
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: suggest a connection. You can argue whether it's empowering or degrading.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: That's an argument as old as the profession itself. I
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: think it was an attempt by the Telegraph to try
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: and make the story more than it was.
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think so too.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: Look from strip clubs to cross dresses. Yes, we're going
• 33:08
  Speaker 7: quite rogue tonight on the Late Debate. Look out, but
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: this one actually involves a Republican's husband.
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: This is Christy Nomes.
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: She's Trump's former Secure Secretary of Homeland Security, but it's
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: been to revealed that her husband, Byron, is a secret
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: cross dresser who dons gigantic fake breasts and pink hotpants
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: to chat with online fetish models. I wish I was joking,
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: but as you can see, the pictures speak for themselves.
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: Now, The Daily Mail has.
• 33:34
  Speaker 7: Revealed that Byron is part of a bimbification scene where
• 33:39
  Speaker 7: porn transformers transform themselves into real life Barbie dolls by
• 33:44
  Speaker 7: pumping and I'm quoting here by the way, colossal amounts
• 33:47
  Speaker 7: of saline.
• 33:48
  Speaker 6: Into their breasts.
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: And he's said to have told people in the fetish
• 33:51
  Speaker 7: space that he wants huge, huge, ridiculous boobs.
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: I'm quoting, by the way. I have just pulled this
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: out of absolutely nowhere.
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: So look, I guess while his wife was handling matters
• 34:02
  Speaker 7: of national security and raising kids, Byron was taking daddy
• 34:06
  Speaker 7: to a whole new level. Here is Christy Nome's statement.
• 34:10
  Speaker 7: She says the family was blindsided by this and they
• 34:12
  Speaker 7: ask for privacy and prayers at the time. Donald Trump
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: was also notified. Today he said they confirmed it.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: Well, I feel badly for the family.
• 34:21
  Speaker 7: If that's the case, that's too bad. He and Christy
• 34:26
  Speaker 7: have three adult children. They're also grandparents as well. They've
• 34:29
  Speaker 7: been married since nineteen ninety two. Look, you never know
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: what's going on in somebody else's family, right, I actually
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: feel really sorry for her. But can I just point
• 34:36
  Speaker 7: out the left are all making fun of this.
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry, but the left.
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: All the left loved to praise men who claim that
• 34:43
  Speaker 7: they're women. So I'm not quite sure what the left
• 34:46
  Speaker 7: have to stand on with this.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Well, I guess they'd see it as an example of hypocrisy. Right,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: You've got a maga person with this happening at home.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: There's two issues here.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: The first is a very serious one for everybody, and
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: that's an issue of national security.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: If you've got the.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Secretary of Homeland Defense's husband carrying on like this, it
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: could potentially make her a target of bribery from either
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: someone domestically or internationally. That's a major concern. Of course,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: she's no longer in that role. The other issue is,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: of course, a very private one regarding the family, and
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: I thought Donald Trump's response was actually quite telling. While
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: the left mocking and laughing about this, Donald Trump's first
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: and only concern that we have on record is really
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: is that being confirmed? Oh that's too bad. I feel
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: sorry for the family. I think it says a lot
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: about Trump that that was his instinctive reaction. This is
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: a terrible thing to happen to a family.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: Indeed, and quickly before we get to a break from
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: breasts to bananas. Down in Victoria, the Yarra Council, you
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: may remember, some years ago, decided they were going to
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: commission this statue sculpture of some demented looking banana. I
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: think we've got the original here for you to have
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: a look at. It was beheaded at some point because
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: I don't know it was so ugly.
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: I suppose.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: He was enjoying it.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: Twenty two thousand dollars the council paid for that. They
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: then had to take it away because someone cut its
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: head off. Well, now they've seen fit to spend another
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: eight thousand dollars having a replica of the statue made
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: up a miniature replica which you can see there with
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: its weird skull look and face in it. That's now
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: on display at the Fitzroy Library, I mean Fitzroy North Library,
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: I should say, I mean, for goodness sake, it was banned.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: If they spent twenty two grand on the full size
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: thing in the first place, why are they spending more
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: money on an ugly, scary looking banana to put.
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: It in the library.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: What's wrong because it was so appealing? Caleb.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, Well, on that note, we're going to go to
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: a break. When we come back, we'll look at what's
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: making headlines tomorrow, including the government looking at providing a
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: billion dollars in interest free loans to businesses doing it
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: tough because of the fuel crisis.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: That's next.
• 37:19
  Speaker 8: Okay, let's take a look at what's making headlines tomorrow.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: As you can imagine, Anthony Albaneze's speech this evening is
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: being reported widely. Not much to report, but still being
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: reported widely. The Adelaide Advertiser has run with the headline
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: elbows Dad's army pitch, keep calm, carry on and catch
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: the bus if you can. Anthony Albanezey told Australians to
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: enjoy your Easter, but don't take more fuel than you
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: need on road trips in a national address in which
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: he warned the crisis could get worse.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Let's go to the front page.
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: The headline panic is for fuel.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Sorry I missed that one.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: I got so carried away with the subheadline panic is
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: for phanis indeed a bad headline. All right, let's go
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: to the front page of the Canberra Times. Alban easy
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: calls for calm, far more drab and.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Mundane headline.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: Come on, have it go with the lead there, James,
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: tell us what the lead says on the front of
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: the Canberra Times tomorrow.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I may need ten minutes to read the lead.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi has fronted Australians to urge calm
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: as the war in the Middle East strange petrol and
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: diesel supplies and spikes prices in a rare televised address
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: in which you also acknowledged that coming months may not
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: be easy as the fuel security crisis drags on.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: That's a very long sentence.
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: Appallingly that's an appallingly written first line.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: And let's go to the.
• 38:39
  Speaker 8: Front page of the Northern Territory News.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: PMS plea to the nation, as Northern Territory government says,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: use only what you need. Why do we need a
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: national address when the Northern Territory Government are saying the
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: same thing?
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Fueling the pain reads the headline.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: As the Iranian war enters its second month and the
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: nation edges closer to a fuel crisis, with WA declaring
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: a state of emergency. Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi has pleaded
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: with Australians to show restraint.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: I don't think he really pleaded, do you. It wasn't
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: more a gentle suggestion.
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it was more just like, hen, here's what you
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: can do, and this is your bit, ladies.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Because it's the Australian way, the Australian way, and this
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: is what we do.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: There's forty nine words, by the way that lead on
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: the front of the Canva Times.
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: I've just counted it. Don't they have subtites anymore?
• 39:29
  Speaker 7: Goodness, if we look at the Herald Sun, their splash
• 39:32
  Speaker 7: is don't be feelish, which I think is quite a
• 39:34
  Speaker 7: good one as well. And they're saying keep come and
• 39:37
  Speaker 7: carry on with Easter. PM's rare national address had Aussies
• 39:39
  Speaker 7: on edge but albows please not to panic at the
• 39:42
  Speaker 7: bowsers so basically and all for nothing, and it says
• 39:46
  Speaker 7: they're in a rare crisis time national address Anthony Abenezy
• 39:49
  Speaker 7: has told the country to go about their lives as
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: normal and enjoy Easter, prepare for things to get worse
• 39:55
  Speaker 7: exactly just buttoning us up.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: I got to say that the editors have turned enough
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: speech into something with those clever headlines.
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: Really great, don't be philers great line.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: The headlines are better than the speech.
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: Honestly, you know, I thought when I heard that he
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: was going to talk today it must have been because
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: it was April Fuel's day.
• 40:15
  Speaker 7: Sorry, I haven't you to rip that one out. I
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: felt like James and I let you down there.
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: We didn't laugh enough.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: Oh come on, well, I wrote it in a column
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: I wrote earlier today, so I have had to go
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: with it.
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: Okay, Well, I thought i'd tried it.
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: At least we can plug your column.
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: I used the place there.
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: It is there. It is also on the front page
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: of the Herald Son Network. Trapped Desi. This is interesting.
• 40:36
  Speaker 7: Desi Freeman was trapped in Victoria's high country because venturing
• 40:40
  Speaker 7: further would mean losing access to his survival network. According
• 40:44
  Speaker 7: to a friend of one of the murdered officers, Alex Christick,
• 40:47
  Speaker 7: said Freeman was dependent on support from people in the
• 40:50
  Speaker 7: local community and could not have afforded to run into state.
• 40:54
  Speaker 7: So I guess it just goes down to what police
• 40:57
  Speaker 7: The theory that police have been saying for the last
• 41:00
  Speaker 7: days that that Desi Freeman was being helped.
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: But I mean we've spoken about.
• 41:05
  Speaker 7: This over the last couple of nights, that he had
• 41:07
  Speaker 7: these phenomenal outback skills. Apparently he knew the land like
• 41:13
  Speaker 7: no other. His son described him as rambo. So I
• 41:15
  Speaker 7: almost feel like there's still more to come out of this.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Undoubtedly there's more to come out of this. Also, one
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: that did he have a long term plan? I mean,
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: it's one thing to hide there for however many months
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: it's been since he's shot those police, But I mean,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: was he going to do that for two, three, four, five.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Years, ten years? How long do you hide away?
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: Like?
• 41:37
  Speaker 7: Well, I think when you're a sovereign citizen, you just
• 41:38
  Speaker 7: think you're above everyone else.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: So who knows.
• 41:40
  Speaker 6: He probably just thought, this is it, this is my
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: life on the run for really, you know, it was
• 41:44
  Speaker 6: a prepper as well, it was a prepper.
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: He was sort of ready to go.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: I guess, as I said the other an extraordinary effort
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: that he was able to make it seven months without
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: being detected. Now, what will be really interesting to know
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: is what finally brought him on. What was it having
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: managed to last seven months? What was it that he
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: buged up in that last week that finally led police
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: to him because to go seven months withou detection is
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: pretty extraordinary. But he's obviously slipped up something along the way.
• 42:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a good point. Well, we'll hear more from
• 42:18
  Speaker 7: that investigation. Also on the front page of The Herald's
• 42:22
  Speaker 7: son Adult time Law a joke, a fifteen year old
• 42:25
  Speaker 7: gang member accused of killing two boys and then pulling
• 42:28
  Speaker 7: a knife on a youth. Prison worker says he doesn't
• 42:30
  Speaker 7: believe Victoria's adult time for violent crime laws will be enforced.
• 42:34
  Speaker 6: One of eight youth charged in the Cobble Bank.
• 42:38
  Speaker 7: Stabbing murders told a child protection officer that using a
• 42:41
  Speaker 7: knife was the best way to get what he wants. Well,
• 42:44
  Speaker 7: you know, I mean here we are in Victoria. Clearly
• 42:48
  Speaker 7: nothing is working. And we've said this before. It's you know,
• 42:53
  Speaker 7: the kids are out smarting. Kids are out smarting, and
• 42:55
  Speaker 7: that's the problem.
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: The de terrence really working.
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: Well, when the kids are saying, apply to me, exactly,
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: just get a knife out to get what you want.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Well, it's knife should have been in the machine, been shad, right.
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: That's right.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, probably found some other form of knife.
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: You know, once you eliminate the machetes, they are the
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: kinds of knives in the world On the front of
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: The Australian. Tomorrow, It's is that the PM's one billion
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: dollar calm keeper, Anthony Alberzi, will declare the May budget
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: will be the most ambitious since Labor was elected and
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: will balance long term reform with addressing immediate cost of
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: living pressures as he unveils a billion dollars of interest
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: free loans for businesses being smashed by the impacts of
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: the Middle East War. The Prime Minister will deliver a
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: major speech on Thursday, after he issued a rare tell
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: of oarsed addressed to the nation on Wednesday evening to
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: warn the months ahead may not be easy, while urging
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: Australians to consider catching public transport to work so fuel
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: is reserved for those who need it most. Mister Albanesi's
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: comments followed West Australian Premier Roger Cook's decision on Wednesday
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: to declare a state of emergency to compel major fuel
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: distributors to release detailed information on their supply chains. But
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: this idea, you know we're going back to the budget now,
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: you know we're going to spend lots of money.
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: And I thought they were in a spot of bother.
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: And I must say when I read those words again
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: that the Prime Minister said earlier that the months ahead
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: may not be easy.
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: I just think back to it won't be easy under Albany.
• 44:20
  Speaker 7: Oh good boy, Well that was a classic one. Maybe
• 44:23
  Speaker 7: it's time to trot that back out again. This is
• 44:25
  Speaker 7: the best time for it.
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: I give it another go.
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: And speaking of on the front of the oars, meat
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: and greet gaps appearing on shelves, Australia is hurdling towards
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: selective meat shortages unless fuel is urgently redirected to the
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: Regent's producers have declared as soaring diesel costs ripple from
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: farms to supermarket shelves, pushing up the price of meat,
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: groceries and coffee.
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: And that is, of course, we were heading where we
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: were heading, it says.
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: A survey by the Red Meat Advisory Council reveals eighty
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: five percent of meat producers and abatoars have enough fuel
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: for only one week, while less than half believed they
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: could stretch.
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: Supply to two weeks. That's a big problem.
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: They feed the nation, correct and if they can't get
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: what they need and they've got to pay for it.
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: Well, we're going to end up paying for it as well.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: So if people are already hoarding fuel, how long before
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: supermarket shells start to work to COVID days.
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: It's COVID DT.
• 45:17
  Speaker 7: Well, they are predicted that supermarket shelves would start running
• 45:20
  Speaker 7: low in the next couple of weeks.
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: So it looks like we're they're already.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: I reckon after the PM's addressed tonight, give it a
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: couple of days.
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll tell you what.
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: There may be a legitimate reason for people going out
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: and hoarding toilet paper this time, because if you're reading
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: all of this stuff, you may will be crapping yourself.
• 45:36
  Speaker 8: Very good, all right, we're going to go to a
• 45:37
  Speaker 8: break when we come back.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: If you think Australian politicians are gross, well after the
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: break will introduce you to a politician from the UK
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: that's coming up. Well, they call it the happiest place
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: on Earth.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Don't they doneake a Disneyland? Have you been there? You
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: just took my line.
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: I was about to say that, Well, I guess I
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: have been there. I went to the one in.
• 46:00
  Speaker 7: The US somewhere. It is the happiest place on Earth.
• 46:02
  Speaker 7: There's even the ride the happiest place on Earth.
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: You know, what do you mean, the happiest place on
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: the disney Land Oh come on, no, I haven't.
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: Well, there you go, so don't knock it.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: And the Warnerable races on the model on the first
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: Thursday in la that's the happiest place.
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 46:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah, right, we need to get out more. I think
• 46:23
  Speaker 7: basically Disneyland Paris. Disneyland Paris, they have a little animatronic
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: version of a character called Olafe from the Frozen film,
• 46:31
  Speaker 7: delighting all these young children. When the little robot malfunctioned,
• 46:35
  Speaker 7: have a look and suddenly screams were heard, kids would devastate.
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: So we said, it's meant to be the happiest place
• 46:50
  Speaker 6: on Earth, And for those kids it wasn't.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: That day indeed made us happy. That was fun.
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: Maybe maybe the talk of all the robots taking over.
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: You know, we're not actually quite all.
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: I needed us to start hitting cable.
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: That one that was remonstrating with the old granny and
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: taken away by the cops.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: A few weeks all right, We're pretty used to gross
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: behavior from our politicians here in Australia. You'll remember Kevin
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Rudd a few years ago.
• 47:20
  Speaker 11: By the Minister for Trade, the Member for Line saying
• 47:24
  Speaker 11: that and I quote, I would like to assure you
• 47:28
  Speaker 11: that residents who occupy accommodation on a permanent.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: If you were distracted by a very young looking Anthony
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Elberonezi there in the background, Kevin Rudd was picking out
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: earwax and eating it pretty gross, But there's worse in
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: the British Parliament. Now, before I show you British politician
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Mike Martin, we're going to assume the best the fuel
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: crisis the way it is.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Maybe he just decided they really needed to drill.
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: Retention and morale across the armed forces. Usher did by
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: their shouldn't be surprised by the disastrous impacts which conservatives.
• 48:06
  Speaker 8: There is no reason he should not have struck oil
• 48:08
  Speaker 8: with that cab.
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: It wasn't even subtle. It's not even a scratch, like
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: he's fully got.
• 48:14
  Speaker 7: His Literally he was driving it right up the canal
• 48:17
  Speaker 7: and we should have given our audience a trigger warning
• 48:19
  Speaker 7: for that game.
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: Should make goodness. I'll tell you what if you thought
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: that was good? How about this.
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: The South Australian Premier Peter Mallanowskis was in National Cabinet
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: the other day when he was given a note saying
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: it's over.
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: He thought it was the Iran War.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: But what was it.
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: I was in National Cabinet.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: I checked the scores and we're in National cabint yesterday
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: and we're not allowed to have our phones in there
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: and we're on this video hookup meeting and State Admin
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: and the door open.
• 48:47
  Speaker 13: It's not supposed to. When someone set me a piece
• 48:48
  Speaker 13: of paper and it said it's over, and I thought, oh,
• 48:53
  Speaker 13: the Iran War's over. I said, I think we're talking
• 48:57
  Speaker 13: about the cricket.
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: I was like, you're kidding me.
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: Yes, South Australia has won the Sheffield Shield again. It's
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: you know, it's like being told all the Second Tower
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: has gone down, all the award's over.
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: Now we've won the cricket. It's just as important in
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: this country.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: Very good.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: That's it from us to stick around. Coming up in
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: just a moment, the reader Pennehy show, good night