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Ep. 143 - We're Back · Frightmares

• 0:43
  Speaker 1: Are you Are you conducting the musical intro? Do it again? Terrible?
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  Speaker 2: I know you can't. I don't have a stick for that.
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: Give me you don't need. It's not a stick. It's
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  Speaker 1: called a.
• 0:54
  Speaker 2: Baton, which is made out of.
• 0:58
  Speaker 1: Probably some sort of I wouldn't say porcelain.
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  Speaker 2: That would be silly, poramic, plastic.
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  Speaker 1: Plastic, jar of dirt. No, what are you talking about?
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  Speaker 1: What are we? What are we doing?
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  Speaker 2: Hereat?
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  Speaker 1: It's been so long since we've done a podcast, I've
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  Speaker 1: totally forgotten how to podcast. Uh, we are back. I
• 1:26
  Speaker 1: just saw cunt Wow we are We're back. We had
• 1:34
  Speaker 1: an unexpected eight week break, no problems there.
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  Speaker 2: We were taking.
• 1:41
  Speaker 1: I'll give you a pretty brief explanation of that. Uh
• 1:45
  Speaker 1: two months ago, which is crazy to think. We were
• 1:48
  Speaker 1: on vacation in Colorado and I just didn't have time
• 1:52
  Speaker 1: to do an episode. Then when we came back from Colorado,
• 1:55
  Speaker 1: I was dealing with just some like mild depression, and
• 1:58
  Speaker 1: I was upset about life, and I was I don't
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  Speaker 1: really feel like doing the podcast. And then on the
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  Speaker 1: third week that we didn't do an episode, me and
• 2:05
  Speaker 1: Spencer did an episode, except that my SD card took
• 2:09
  Speaker 1: a shit on me and I couldn't recover the episode.
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  Speaker 1: And then the next week I was like, I'm fucking
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  Speaker 1: I don't care, I don't want to do it. Let's
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  Speaker 1: just wait. We'll we'll wait four weeks and then we'll
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  Speaker 1: do you know, we'll give it a month break and
• 2:21
  Speaker 1: then we'll come back. And then one month turned into
• 2:23
  Speaker 1: two months, and I was like, we should really start
• 2:25
  Speaker 1: doing this podcast again, especially since I built this studio
• 2:28
  Speaker 1: or not. I didn't build this studio but scratch. I
• 2:32
  Speaker 1: built it with my bare hands. No, you know, I
• 2:34
  Speaker 1: made this podcast studio. We just moved into this house
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  Speaker 1: not even a year ago, and I was like, we
• 2:38
  Speaker 1: should probably get back to podcasting. I have a lot
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  Speaker 1: of shit to talk about. So we're back. We're we're back.
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  Speaker 1: Every year that I've done this podcast, I was, you know,
• 2:47
  Speaker 1: I'm like, we're gonna we're gonna do an episode every
• 2:49
  Speaker 1: you know, it was every other week in the first year,
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  Speaker 1: and then twenty twenty we went every year or every
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  Speaker 1: week until COVID hit. Then we took a break, and
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  Speaker 1: then I think we took a break last year or two,
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  Speaker 1: and it took a huge break this year this year,
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  Speaker 1: so at least we're consistent with taking breaks unexpectedly. Sorry
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  Speaker 1: to just leave everyone hanging for so long, but life
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  Speaker 1: got in the way. Just dealing with some personal things.
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  Speaker 1: But I need this back. I need my weekly release
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  Speaker 1: of yelling into a microphone about my thoughts and feelings
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  Speaker 1: of pod yes, of a podcast of movies. So we
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  Speaker 1: are back pretty much for picking up where we left off.
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  Speaker 1: I think I said on the last episode me and
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  Speaker 1: Corey will be back or something, but nope, it's me
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  Speaker 1: and Gabby and we're doing a movie called Actually. First
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  Speaker 1: of all, this is episode one and forty three. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Austin Procter. That is your other host, Gabrielle Procter. Hi, Hi,
• 3:46
  Speaker 1: welcome back.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks, I'm glad to be back.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for being here. And turn you up because you're
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  Speaker 1: always so quiet. We are doing a movie called A
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  Speaker 1: Fantastic Fear of Everything, which I just told you. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, I don't know if this movie, if I
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  Speaker 1: imagine this movie, or if it's real. But nonetheless, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to talk about it after we talk about the
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  Speaker 1: other things. We have too much to talk about. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know where we should start. We have many much
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  Speaker 1: things to discuss.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's start with the news things that aren't specifically like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this is what we've been watching.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about new stuff, like what news stuff like
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  Speaker 1: in horror news.
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  Speaker 2: I know this has been circulating recently. Nev Campbell will
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  Speaker 2: not be in the new Scream. I'm sure you guys
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  Speaker 2: already probably know this by now. A lot of people
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  Speaker 2: have some hot takes on this, but frankly, you carry
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  Speaker 2: the franchise, you get paid like you carry the franchise,
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  Speaker 2: and if the money and the script did not feel
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  Speaker 2: worth her time, then she has every right not to
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  Speaker 2: do it. Though, knowing how Nev Campbell will really cares
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  Speaker 2: about the series, how much she's enjoyed doing it, you know,
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  Speaker 2: she didn't make that decision lightly so for everyone treating
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  Speaker 2: her like she was just like, uh, it's only about
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  Speaker 2: the money.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's about being paid what you're worth. Uh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I have I don't really have a hot take on this.
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  Speaker 1: The only thing I have to say is and kind
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  Speaker 1: of of rebuttal to what Matthew Lillard said, because everyone's
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  Speaker 1: of course defending her, and I do too. I believe
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  Speaker 1: that she is worth whatever she feels is appropriate. You
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  Speaker 1: can't tell me I'm not worth this much when I've
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  Speaker 1: been here since Scream one pretty much care I mean,
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  Speaker 1: besides Courtney Cox and David Arquette, who have been throughout
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  Speaker 1: the entire series, I mean she, you know, she's the
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  Speaker 1: main focus of all this. She's been the you know,
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  Speaker 1: she's been a huge.
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  Speaker 2: She's been the final girl.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's pretty much been the final girl. So I
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  Speaker 1: will say I agree with everyone, of course, because I
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  Speaker 1: don't think she should be getting paid any less than
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  Speaker 1: what she feels she deserves. And it's kind of weird
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  Speaker 1: that they're not working with her on price because they
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  Speaker 1: brought her back for five and everything was fine then,
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  Speaker 1: So what happened here? I'm sure screen brought in a
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  Speaker 1: shit ton of money. You can't pay her what you
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  Speaker 1: feel she deserves. It's kind of weird to do. I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't think it would be over money. I just
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  Speaker 1: figured it would be over maybe her not liking the
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  Speaker 1: script or them killing her character off. And she was like, nah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm good, but if for it to be related to
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  Speaker 1: money just makes me angry, because it's like, you guys
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  Speaker 1: have so much fucking money that you could toss at
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  Speaker 1: just in her general direction, and they're like no, but
• 6:28
  Speaker 1: you know, Courtney Cox is coming back, so it's like
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  Speaker 1: how you know what I mean, Like they're obviously giving
• 6:33
  Speaker 1: Courtney what she wants, but they can't give Nev what
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  Speaker 1: she wants. I mean, is she demanding an insane amount
• 6:38
  Speaker 1: of money? I don't know, but none the weird way.
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  Speaker 2: It could also be the fact that Courtney Cox in
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  Speaker 2: some ways is a bigger star, especially with their history.
• 6:45
  Speaker 1: With Yeah friends, so shouldn't be she be getting paid
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  Speaker 1: more essentially.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, so maybe the money was worth it for her,
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  Speaker 2: or maybe they were willing to offer her more. But
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  Speaker 2: like Nev Campbell's been in the industry over thirty years. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: she picture projects. You know, you don't always know that
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna see Nef Campbell in the movie. She was
• 7:05
  Speaker 2: much bigger in the nineties than she is now. But
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  Speaker 2: she's still working at doing things and she's keeping that
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  Speaker 2: franchise running. So I guess we'll just have to see
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  Speaker 2: how it works without her, which is probably not as good.
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  Speaker 1: It's not gonna be as good, Yeah, I mean, it
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  Speaker 1: probably won't be. But my thing was Matthew Lillard mentioned
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  Speaker 1: you know what I've been saying, and then he he
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  Speaker 1: compared her to Tom Cruise, saying Tom Cruise doesn't take
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  Speaker 1: any less money, And the only thing I have to
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  Speaker 1: say towards that is, you really can't compare Tom Cruise
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  Speaker 1: with her U because Tom Cruise is a man who
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  Speaker 1: has multiple huge franchises bringing in billions and billions of
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  Speaker 1: dollars so well himself. Yeah, well, and does his own
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  Speaker 1: stunts and stuff like that. So I just think that
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  Speaker 1: comparison was weird because again I don't I don't think
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  Speaker 1: that Tom Cruise is more deserving of money than Nev Campbell.
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  Speaker 1: But the comparison between those two people specifically was odd
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  Speaker 1: because again, yes, he's you know, Mission impossible, he does
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  Speaker 1: the you know, top gun Maverick. He has another fucking
• 7:59
  Speaker 1: long running thing I can't remember right now, but it's
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  Speaker 1: just like, you know, it's kind of hard to compare
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  Speaker 1: those two. But yes, I stand with Matthew Lillard and
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  Speaker 1: David Arquette, and I don't have did Corney Cox say
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  Speaker 1: anything about this issue. I've only seen Urquete and Lillard,
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  Speaker 1: no idea. I don't think I've seen anything about Cox
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  Speaker 1: or uh with this face skeid ole rich right, Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I've seen them, but yeah, I stand
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  Speaker 1: with all of them. She deserves money. If you're not
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  Speaker 1: gonna give it to her, what the fuck, guys, you're
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  Speaker 1: you could possibly ruin a franchise by not including her. Also,
• 8:28
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't even need a six one at
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  Speaker 1: this point. We really didn't. We really don't. Five was
• 8:35
  Speaker 1: utterly fantastic, and we're going to talk about that at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the year with the you know, the
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  Speaker 1: year and wrap up. It was by far one of
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  Speaker 1: the strongest screen movies I feel, but.
• 8:44
  Speaker 2: One of the strongest horror movies this year.
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  Speaker 1: Pickens and Slim, But yeah, it was just so good,
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  Speaker 1: how meta it was and how much they made fun
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  Speaker 1: of like the elevated it was.
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  Speaker 2: It was so it was it was really find a
• 8:55
  Speaker 2: way to add meta themselves.
• 8:57
  Speaker 1: This is the most meta you could ever get. It
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  Speaker 1: was so good. So it's like, and this one's supposed
• 9:02
  Speaker 1: to take place in New York, so now they're changing
• 9:04
  Speaker 1: the setting drastically, and it's like, you know, there's you know,
• 9:06
  Speaker 1: I posted the thing about ghost Face Takes Manhattan with
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  Speaker 1: that really cool cover art that rips off of Jason
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  Speaker 1: Takes Manhattan. So I mean, we'll see, I don't need it.
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  Speaker 1: Am I gonna see it? Yes, but I just don't
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  Speaker 1: think it's necessary. Yep, just like all these new Halloween movies.
• 9:23
  Speaker 1: I was like, cool, you read it Halloween. They're like,
• 9:24
  Speaker 1: it's a trilogy. I'm like, I don't need another trilogy, just.
• 9:27
  Speaker 2: You know, just I don't really need another Hellowen.
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  Speaker 1: So but yeah, Scream six is expected sometime next year.
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  Speaker 1: You know, obviously keep you updated on that because it's
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: something I'm excited for, but again, don't really need it.
• 9:42
  Speaker 1: And speaking of things that we don't need, sequel wise,
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: not really horror related, but we're getting a Joker sequel
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  Speaker 1: that is apparently now being dubbed as a musical, and
• 9:54
  Speaker 1: WT fuck is that?
• 9:57
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say quietly and wait for more information.
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Lady Gaga is supposed to be in
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: this as Harley Quinn, and I'm I'm cool with that.
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  Speaker 1: I like her, she does. She has great performances in movies.
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  Speaker 1: She's a killer singer. I've never seen a Star is Born,
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: but you know, I heard she's great in that. But
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: to take a movie that was such a standalone masterpiece
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  Speaker 1: by itself, such a strong, impactful film and to do
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  Speaker 1: a sequel and go I think they're doing. It's supposed
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: to be black and white too, and just like, why
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  Speaker 1: why are we doing a musical version of this? This
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: makes it's either gonna be the most brilliant thing ever
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: or it's gonna be a complete dumpster fire, no middle ground,
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  Speaker 1: no in between.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Anyways, moving on that joker too. It has a French subtitle,
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: you know, it's like colon something French and it means
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: madness for two. So whatever. But I don't know, I'm
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: not into that very much, cause I already don't like
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  Speaker 1: musicals to begin with very much, unless you're like, you know,
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: it's like Repo or Sweeney Todd like that. That's cool.
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  Speaker 2: But horror musicals, yeah, horror.
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  Speaker 1: Musicals yeah, but like musicals in general, I'm good. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's gonna be a thing. All right. Where are we
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  Speaker 1: going next in this rabbit trail of topics? Let's see,
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  Speaker 1: there's there's like three movies we have to discuss. I
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  Speaker 1: just didn't know if there was any other news.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I was about to say it.
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: We'll just fucking say it.
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  Speaker 2: Until you cut me off.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So let's see news wise, I know there's a
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  Speaker 2: new show coming out soon on Netflix, that anthology series.
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: Of Del Toro. Yeah, Cabinet of Curiosities, yep.
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: And if you're looking for a brand spanking new horror movie,
• 11:43
  Speaker 2: this weekend, Terror Trip came out. We saw that. We
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: didn't even know about that till it was on TikTok,
• 11:51
  Speaker 2: but it seems to it is apparently people who want
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: to start a business taking people to horror filming locations
• 11:59
  Speaker 2: and then one time they picked the wrong location. But
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: if you've already seen hell House from the trailer, it
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: looks like that is one of the locations they visit.
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  Speaker 1: So immediately interested.
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  Speaker 2: What what what are you looking at?
• 12:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's a movie that just came out. But I
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: was I was letting you do your thing.
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: I was going to That movie came out yesterday, so
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  Speaker 2: we will be checking that out this weekend at some
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  Speaker 2: point hopefully, So that should be fun. And then of
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: course next week the Black Phone is coming out.
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: Correct, Yes, next weekend is the Black Phone and Elvis.
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: If that's something you're.
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  Speaker 2: Into, I'm into it.
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm Intolerman. Hell yeah, I'm into it, but I'm
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: not into two Hours and forty goddamn minutes. So we
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: will be getting an aisle seat so I can pee
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: seventeen times because I'm an old man with the bladder
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: of a toddler, so or the bladder of an old man.
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: I guess what.
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  Speaker 2: I looked up tear trips because it should be out
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: so there should be a square or there's no score
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: yet that's the bars.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean with movies like that, you know
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: that are kind of indie slash, underground slash.
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  Speaker 2: Most people have given it a two or below, so
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  Speaker 2: watch at your own peril. We're not recommending it. We're
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  Speaker 2: just saying it's a thing. It's a thing that came
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: out feel compelled.
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  Speaker 1: You showed me the trailer and I'm like, cool, this
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  Speaker 1: has a great premise, but I guarantee you one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and ten percent it's gonna be executed terribly. It does
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  Speaker 1: look cool though it is. It is an interesting premise,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, I feel I.
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  Speaker 2: Feel That's why I wanted to watch it, because I
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, I wonder how they'll do this.
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: I feel like the execution is gonna be really sketchy.
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: Sounds like it's gonna follow the train of the other
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: terrible movies we've watched this year.
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's been, and we're gonna get to those here
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  Speaker 1: in a second. But you just mentioned a new horror
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  Speaker 1: movie that came out. I thought this one just came out,
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: but apparently I am wrong. But nonetheless, it is new
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  Speaker 1: for this year. It's a movie called off Season. It's
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: a movie about so let's see here. After receiving a
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  Speaker 1: mysterious letter, a woman travels to a desolate island town
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  Speaker 1: and soon becomes trapped in a nightmare. And the cool
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  Speaker 1: thing about this is that it was filmed in New
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: Smyrna Beach, Florida, which is yeah, which is cool. Spencer
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  Speaker 1: told me about this one, So I mean, obviously we
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: have to watch this because I mean that's like a
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: forty five minute drive from where we are probably recognize shit.
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  Speaker 1: But that's called off Season? Is terror? Did you? Did
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: you say Terror Trips was streaming anywhere.
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: It's supposed to be?
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: Yes, supposed to be, she says, it.
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: Said it was coming to streaming services. It. Oh, let's
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: see where to watch Spectrum on demand. I feel like
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: it's not updated yet.
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: Terror Trip, Terror Trips, Yeah, not Terror Train. That's a
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: whole other thing.
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  Speaker 2: It looks like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't say nothing on a letterbox yet, so
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: I guess that's kind of weird.
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: Scavenger Hunt Guys.
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: Off season, though, appears to be available to rent on Voodoo.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's what Spencer said. He was going, We're
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: supposed to watch that at some point. So, yeah, off season,
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: Terar trips new more indie movies that are currently out
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: or on their way out, which is pretty cool. But yeah,
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: speaking of bad movies, like you said, which one do
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: we start with? I think we got to start with
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: the worst one and then work our way up.
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  Speaker 2: Why don't we just list off all the movies we've
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: watched since then and just talk about the ones we
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: feel weren't the most warning.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: Well, there's one I'm gonna talk about with Corey. Actually
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: two i'm gonna talk about with Corey because you haven't
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  Speaker 1: seen one of them.
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  Speaker 2: But I list the ones that we've seen together.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, the last four, because there's four, there's five, six?
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  Speaker 1: Got six?
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: Yeahs, since we've done an episode yet, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Think so you will wait to list him.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, go ahead, Firestarter, Dash cam Men, The Cursed, uh
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: huh uh, Crimes of Future Past, and the Blackwell goes six.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: Oh well, it was just Crimes of the Future and
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: I didn't Okay, I didn't.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: I think I say Crimes of Future past. Yeah, it's
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: like an X the Future past. Like what is this?
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: Cronenberg does X Men? This is like, oh, what's the
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: other movie? There's another movie where every time I say
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: the title, I try to call it something else, and like,
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: this isn't what this movie is.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: We just watched that movie too, well should we? We
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: shouldn't talk about six goddamn movies because we actually have
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: to get to the review now.
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  Speaker 2: I said, we'll focus on the ones we hated the most, the.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: Ones we hated the most. Okay, why don't we focus
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: on the two that we hated and the one that
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: was super weird. Yeah, let's do that. So let's start.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: Let's starter, let's say statement, let's starter with fire Starter,
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: and uh, let's just get into this trash heap of
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: a movie.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: I can sum this up super simply if you have
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: read the book.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: I want to this movie.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: We're gonna do that when we do the end of
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: the Year thing. We're not gonna like rip it now.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: I want to rip it now a little bit just
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: like a little like a maybe like a match. Stop
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: giving me evil, Just fucking go okay on man.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: So simply put, if you liked the book, you'll love
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: the one line of dialogue that came from the book.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: And there endeth the book to screen adaption adaptation similarities.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: When I tell you you've seen me, I don't get
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: particularly enraged about films. I'm like, oh, that was annoying
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: or that was stupid. But I don't get like physically angry.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Stop doing whatever it is.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: You're doing table.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: I don't get super mad about movies. I was livid
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: by the end of this movie. I was enraged. I
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: wanted to throw the television. You said no, I thought
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: that was rude.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: If you wanted to spend the fifteen dollars to replace
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: that son of a bitch.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: So much rage in my heart after seeing that movie,
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: especially considering Buyer Starter is my favorite Stephen King book,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: one of my favorite books which made him and I
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: also tend to give plenty of leeway with you know
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: screen or like Book to Screen, I tend to give
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: lots of leeway with that because I know they changed
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: stuff everything but one diet one line of dialogue, however,
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: is over my threshold by about a lot.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I kept seeing fuck you, stupid table. I kept
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: seeing you know, kind of mixed reviews on this. You know,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: people were like, oh I loved it so much, and
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: oh I hated it. And I don't take anybody's word,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: you know, sorry, I take everybody's you know, review at
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: the fucking grain of salt, because I go by what
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Letterbox says. And when Letterbox has a movie at a
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: two point zero, I can tell you right now there's
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: no way I'm giving that movie over a two and
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: a half. It's just not gonna happen. I know my
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: track record with ratings, and yeah, so a one point nine. Now,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: So anybody who says that this movie was good has
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: either not read the source material or no offense, just
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: has no eye for I hate It's a bold statement,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: and I don't usually try to generalize people, but you
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: just don't have an eye for cinema. I'm sorry, not
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: even taking this movie away from the source material, Like,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: just okay, take the source material, throw it away. It
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: was still a shit movie. Yeah, it was still utter
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: fucking shit.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: It's like they just tried to make a whole other
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: movie and it's like they tried to make an action
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: thriller out of it, and they're like, they just missed.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: They missed, missed.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: They missed the mark by a mile and missed everything.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: And even if you made it, even if it was
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: its own thing, whatever mark that was they were trying
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: to hit, missed that by a mile too.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because there was like, okay, p here's a good example.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: I remember Pet's Cemetery remake. At first, I didn't like
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: it because I went in expecting a more true adaptation
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: of the book because the original was pretty spot on.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: But it changed some weird things, like like the fucking
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: lady doing the laundry she like killed herself or something
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: like that. Something was changed and I was like, why
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: are they changing these little things? And the same thing
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: with the Pet Cemetery remake. They changed these things and
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I don't like it. But the
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: more I watched it, the more I enjoyed it. For
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: them and a lot of people, I think that has
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: like a two point three I think, But like I
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: liked what they did because they did something different while
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: still making it feel like that cemetery. This in no way,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: shape or form felt like stuff sire farder. Wow, I
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: just tried to say that firestarter. Yeah, they made Charlie older,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: they made the dynamic between her and her family completely different,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: they made it the they made her relationships with everyone
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: in the book totally different, and they just completely glossed
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: over all the testing that was done. Remember the test
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: The test sequence that they showed was literally a little
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: montage in the beginning of the movie while the credits
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: were rolling about, oh you know what the yeah, lot
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: six And I looked at you and I said, if
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: that's their explanation for it, and that's it, I'm gonna
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: be so mad. And it was. And I'm like, there's
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: there was so much story behind that, there was so much.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Well, and that's the thing.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: What the fuck when you change.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Stuff about a story, Like if you already have source
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: material and you're gonna make changes, there needs to be
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: a reason.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: The changes need to be for the better.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: There there has to be a justification for these changes, right, Like, Okay,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: aging Charlie up a couple of years is one thing,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: But like every change they made felt like you even
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: if you had if you, if you had read the book,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: you were very confused as to what was going on
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: because the plot like changed entirely. They just like they
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: had locations, but they treated them different, they looked different,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: they were put in at different times, and even if
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: you have watched it, you're still confused because the way
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: they were running the plot, it's like they didn't even
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: know where they were gonna end up. They were just
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: moving in a direction and hoping for the best. Because
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: you're like, I don't I already know how this story ends,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: and I have no idea where they're going at this
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: point or what they're doing. And every time they did
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: they made a decision, You're like, I don't understand why
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: that would be the decision anybody would make.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Oh and the ending was the shit cherry on top
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: of the hole, and that's where I wanted to throw
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: the tech shit Sunday. I'm like, this literally goes against
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: everything in the book. What No, No, No, so.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Quade spoilers for pet Cemetery because for the new or
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: when this is a prime example of changes for the better.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no one likes that movie anyway.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Changing gauge the sun, the young infant son over to
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: the older sister who's also not that old, changing that
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: to be the one that care to be the one
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: that dies and gets brought back. Totally makes sense because
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: in the original movie they have a child who's clearly
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: still a little older, because Gage is like, fucking two.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Please try to direct a two year old like he's
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: dead and so they've already aged him up. It requires
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: a lot of puppetry, and then it ends up coming
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: off really cheesy. Now by taking it and switching it
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: to the daughter, you have now made a Now to
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: say how they killed her was still very silly. But
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: by changing it to the daughter, not only do you
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: have an actor who's old enough to understand what they're
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: supposed to be doing, you eliminate the need for any
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: kind of like replacement person there, like like a puppet.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: You get a better range, and it's a surprise for
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: the viewers. It's a surprise that makes sense. You know
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: what's gonna happen. Now they've taken the story. They're still
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: on the same road, and they've just changed it in
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: a way that works better for the film. Is not
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: what they did in Fire Stars.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: People people hated that because you know, like even like me,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: I was like I wanted a better source material, you know.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Adaptation of Pet cemetery and you know it's it's but
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: it still felt like pet cemetery to me. This didn't
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: you know, like I said, it didn't feel like a
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: fire starter. It's like the thing you said about the
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Shining when we talked about that on the Stephen King episode,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: how Stanley Kubrick was like, Okay, what's this movie about?
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: And you know, like they okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's enough.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: I got it. But he made a masterpiece. And it
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: was like, you know because the guy who wrote this
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: also helps write Halloween Kills and we knew once we
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: heard that, we were like, this movie's gonna be asked.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: It's it's it feels alled. It felt like because the
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: way they were trying to make you feel emotional like
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: about the characters, and they were trying to add an
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: emotional impact in both films. Yeah, what's through yelling because
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: half the time people are screaming at each other, they're
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: betraying each other, they're they're treating each other terribly, but
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: you know they're doing it because they care. And you're like,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: that is not character development. If anything, you've rem moved
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: all sense of character and you've made every like they
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: made and they did the same damn thing in Halloween Kills.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: This guy made all the characters two D and frankly,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: I don't want to watch anything else he's done because
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: now I ruined a like Halloween was great, Halloween Halloween Kills,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: you're like, sucked ass, who was drunk when they wrote this?
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: And then you're like, Okay, maybe this was a fluke,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: maybe this was just like Okay, then you got Firestarter.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Like nope, this guy needs to stop.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: There's a common denominator here, this guy, this guy, this guy.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry, dude, I need you to stop ruining
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: because like it's not like he's ruining indie movies that
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: don't really matter or whatever, you're ruining franchises. At this point,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Halloween Kills was just it was just it was awful.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I mean, I still gave it respect, and
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: I still gave it, like, you know, I think it
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: gave it a two point five out of five because
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: like of the gore and you know, you know, it
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: was it was good in a sense, but the dialogue
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: was it felt like it was written by a twelve
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: year old. It made no and they said Evil dies
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: tonight more times than I want to hear, and yeah,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: he ruins the Firestarter as well, and it's like, Okay,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: how many more are like huge, awesome franchises? Do you
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: plan to just destroy with this just god awful writing?
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: I does? What does he have upcoming projects? Don't tell
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: me he's writing the new hell Raiser's I don't think
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: he is, because David Bruckner is directing that, and I
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: cannot have that ruined. I already don't like the original.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: What what is he writing?
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Say it Insidious five? And The Exorcist?
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Shut the fuck up? No he's not, No, he's not.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I'm fucking angry. Everyone's already kind of on edge with
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: The Exorcist. David Gordon Green is directing that. Why are you,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: David Gordon Green? Why are you bringing this man with you?
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: If it helps? Is one of two writers and the
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: other writer has done but no, absolutely nothing, never mind?
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Oh god, why why? Why? Why? Why? My day's ruined?
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: My day is ruined?
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, he's doing several He's got like seven things
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: on there, but those are the two where we'd be like, I.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Don't understand how you get hired? How do you get hired?
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Fucking because they still the movies are still making money.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: They just suck, still suck.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Like, what's the guy that did ghost Ship in thirteen Ghosts?
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: I can't remember his name? Steve Beck. Steve Beck did
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: those fucking brilliant, awesome movies that didn't do well and
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: was like, you know, that was it for him directing wise,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: And now they're cult classics where everyone loves them. Well, okay,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: a lot of people like them. Smart people don't say
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: that that's rude.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I said, wow.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, those are like cult classics now. And we have
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: this guy who you know, I don't give a shit
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: if they make money, Like, do you see the quality
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: of the film? Do studios really just look past quality
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: and they're like, well it brought in twenty million dollars
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: and it only cost one million to make. I'd call
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: that a win. No, man, Yeah, Now I'm looking for
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: fucking quality films, not quantity.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because like, the only other writer on in Citi
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: is five is Lee One. Now Lee l except it
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: says story by which is code.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Actually, it's just like how Stephen King gets writing credits
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: for pet Cemetery. It's like, you know, based on the
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: characters of this movie, well, you know, last Key, Insidious
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: was not great. I mean, I wasn't expecting much for
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: five anyways, but I wish.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Wilson was gonna is back. It's ten years afterward. Dalton's
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: in college apparently.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Oh I wonder if it's the same actor.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: It looks like it is.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: I was so excited for the extrasists because of what
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: David Gordon Green did for Halloween in twenty eighteen and
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: now only.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Doing it with Scott Teams. Fuck that guy.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Now I'm dreading it. That's not what I needed to hear.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna act like I didn't hear that so we
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: can get through this episode because I'm upset now. So
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: that was Firestarter. Yeah, that's gonna be one that I say,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: don't bother, Just don't bother. Well, you know what. Okay,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: if you have not seen the original movie and you've
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: not read the books, fucking go for it. But if
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: you have, if you know the source material for Firestarter,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: and you are a fan of the book, please just
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: I watched it for you so you don't have to,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: because man, I will never It's funny too, because we
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: had tickets to go see that in theaters and then
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: I found out it was streaming on Peacock and I
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: saw the rating and I was like, you know what,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna waste the hours of time to go
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: and popcorn and you know, snacks. And I was like,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: let's just sit on the couch and watch this. And
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: that was probably one of the greatest decisions we've made
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: going to the movie. You know, not going to the
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: movies this year. It was not going to see that. Yeah,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: so let's move on to the next one. That was
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: kind of a dud this year that I was super
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: excited for. It's a movie called dash Cam. Now. This
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: movie was directed by the same man I, shockingly enough,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: who did Hosts last year, which was one of my
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: favorite of the year. I know, I'm pretty sure it
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: was in my top ten for last year top ten.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: I believe it was in my top ten and it
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: was about you know, it was during the pandemic and
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: it was all on laptops and they had the seance
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: and it was uh wait was that last year? Was
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: that twenty twenty? Oh that was twenty twenty? My bad, Yes,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: that was in my top ten. Host was my number
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: five and twenty twenty and then I was like, cool,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: he's doing a movie called dash cam. It looks super spooky,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: you know it, Uh, But honestly, I don't even know
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: why it was called dash cam. It should have just
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: been called iPhone the movie, because like, it wasn't a
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: fucking dashcam. It was an iPhone nonetheless, And it's there's
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of people praising this movie, and I don't.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: I don't get it. They made a main character so
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: fucking unlikable. And I understand, you do you know reasonings
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: for making someone unlikable, but when you make them I
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: within three seconds, I wanted to put her head in
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: water and just leave it there until she was just
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: draw I'm like, I hate you. I want to choak
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: you to death or fucking punt you across. I don't.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: I was so angry at that character, not the actor herself, obviously,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: but the character that she portrayed. I was like, I
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: want you to die immediately in this movie, and she
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: just kept going for for just keep being and she
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: was such a fucking asshole the entire movie. There was
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: no character arc, and then they made it so political
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: and it was so what do you what would you
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: call like anti? I don't know something. She was just
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: the worst.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: She was a I hope to god this isn't how
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: this woman is in real life. But she was basically
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: a characterization of a certain group of people these days
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: who don't like to wear masks, think their rights are
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: more important than everyone else is, and have a general
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: disrespect for the social contract of treating each other with
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: respect and with courtesy. And yeah, we talked about this
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: while we were watching it. She's immediately dislikable. She is
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: she can't follow basic safety guidelines. She intentionally disregards them
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: and treats other people like they're beneath her because of
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: how she feels, and it's generally just obnoxious anyway. And
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: you know what, unfortunately, I understand that she totally speaks
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: to a.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Group of people, the people who like this.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Who see that and go, oh man, she's just like me.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: And to that, I say, look at yourself in the mirror.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Is this really who you want to be? Do you
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: really want to be that guy or a girl? Anybody?
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Apparently so, because when we were.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Watching this, she had her friend and he was kind
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: of unlikable too, not nearer because she was like doing
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: she was like running.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: For gold on that one.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: And the thing is is you're gonna make a character unlikable,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: that's totally fine. Totally normal stories have unlikable characters, but
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: you have to give them at least one redeeming quality
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: for me to want them to live through the film.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: And what she did not have was a single redeeming quality.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: In fact, at one point I thought we might be
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: receiving it when she decides to hold a man's hand
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: as he is dying. But what she does is he
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: starts to shake while he's dying, and she says, ew,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: get the fuck off of me, and you're like, oh,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: never mind. And she even spends the whole film abandoning
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: her friend and leaving him in danger, and her friend,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: who's also kind of a crap person anyway, not near
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: again as bad as her. His redeemable quality is that,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: despite his shitty friend leaving him constantly, he is in
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: return constantly going to try to help her.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, weirdly enough, adeemable quality. I'd have left that fucker.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't have ever spoken to her longer than
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: the thirty seconds it would have taken for something terrible
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: to come out of her mouth.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just don't get it. Like I said, I
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: don't mind if you make a character character unlikable, there
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: there's plenty of them in movies, but you don't typically
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: make that character the main character of a movie. And
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: if you do, again, yes, one redeeming quality or a
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: character arc to where I can be like, Ah, you
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: were kind of a dick in the beginning, but I see,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I kind of see you correcting the errors of your way. Nah.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: She was a fucking douche the whole time, and honestly
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: stepped it up more and more throughout the film. And
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: I'm like, why am I supposed to care about you?
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Why do I give a shit that you are existing
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: in this movie anymore? What the fuck? She was a
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: character devoid of humanity.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Even when a woman is literally crying for her child,
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: she's laughing in her face. Yeah, what what kind of
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: person wants to be that person? And like, who wants
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: to root for that character? Because you know those kinds
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: of characters, they're usually reserved for villains. And if she's
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: the villain, then what the hell was the point of
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: this movie?
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah? There was? Yeah, and not even to mention how
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: shitty she was, because there was even a point where
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: she goes into a store in the UK and the
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: guy's like, hey, can you put a mask on? And
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: she's like, Oh, I have a mask on, it's invisible.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Fuck you. I want to punch you in the face.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Social contract, shut the fuck up. And then she like
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: got mad at him for wanting her to put a
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: mask on, and then flicked them off and started throwing
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: shit and like saying all this anti vac shit. I'm like,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: and people online are, Oh, I love Annie. She's so funny.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: What the fuck is funny about that? I'm sorry, in
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: what way, shape or form is embarrassing someone at their
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: job because you can't step outside or put a mask
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: on or respect people? What the fuck is funny about that?
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Please tell me? And if someone.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Has to be clear, if this is triggering you and going, well,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: I do that again, feel free to look in the
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: mirror and say, is this who I want to be?
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Because like, why is it your? Why is who you
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: are more important than respecting other people and the general
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: well being of the community. It does not hurt you,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: and to and to have that kind of attitude, which
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: we've seen she is a characterization of real people that
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: exist right now. It's we're doing that thing, which is
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: infuriating but it's like, why is it that what your
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: personal needs have become so much more important? It because,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: you know, it's those type of people. Are only talking
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: to those type of people, and then they wonder why
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: everyone's getting upset at them for doing whatever. Please, Well,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: it's because you're talking to yourself essentially, every time you
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: talk to a friend that says, yeah, it makes sense
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: that you spit on that cashier.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, literally spit on when they asked.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: You to wear a mask. That, yeah, that totally makes sense.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: It doesn't because spitting on people is in fact.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Wrong, And I don't care, Like I don't care if
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: you don't want to wear a mask or want to
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: get vaccinated, Like I don't care, Like it's not it
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter to me. What you do is not my problem,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: is not my issue, it doesn't concern me, So I
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: don't care. But to take that and shove it in
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: people's faces when they ask you to do something that
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: is just really basic human decency at the end of
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: the day, Hey, you know, put a mask on or
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: please leave. Like the guy wasn't being argumentative, he was
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: just saying you need to put a mask on, and
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: to be that fucking uh what's the word. I'm steadfast
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: and just wanting to stand your ground and be a
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: dick for no reason, Like you know what it costs
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: to be pleasant and light nothing, it costs nothing. It's
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent free. It's it's just, you know, it's
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: just something you should do. You should just respect people.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: You know, if you don't want to abide those like
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: social rules and these rules walk away people's health and safety.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: It's not you who might be perfectly healthy. It's about
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: the people who aren't perfectly healthy and need that extra
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: precaution to keep them alive. It's about the other people.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: It's not you, it's everybody else that we're trying to protect.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: So if you don't want to go somewhere where they're saying, hey,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: we're still not comfortable taking less precautions.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Don't go go there. Don't go anywhere else. And if
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: you do, ober your food to your house, and if
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: you do go there, just abide by what they have
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: to say or leave, Like there's no reason to cause it.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: It's a public space.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: There's no reason to cause a scene because you don't
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: agree with someone else's opinions. You know what happens if
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: if that happens to me walk away, I'll be like, Okay,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: am I bad or you know, I will you know,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: get away from the SA situation. I'm not gonna be
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: an asshole now. Yes. If someone is being blatantly rude
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: to me, I'm going yes, I will mirror their energy.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: You know, people are nice to me, I'm nice to them.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: If you're a dick for no reason, I'll be a
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: dick for no reason. I mirror people's personalities and energy
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: to what they give me. I would never go to
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: someone and ever just act that way in public, because
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: it's so uncalled for and unnecessary, and that person did
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: nothing to you to deserve being spit on, flicked off
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: and saying something about like oh she was like flicking
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: off and saying America number one or whatever. It's like,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: holy shit, just this was the guy's job. This wasn't
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: just a shop. She went into this guy's job making
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: a scene that's like a double fuck you to and
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: I don't at that point I would have been like,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: you need to go home, Annie, But for some reason,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: he kept her around. And despite all of the shitty
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: characters in this movie, the plot made literally no sense,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: no explain for anything at all, And yes, I do
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: like an ambiguous movie. But at the same time, there's
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: got to be some sort of context for what's happening.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: And people were pointing out like, oh, well, this character
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: was in Host too, Okay, yeah, that's great, but how
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: is this related? And you even pointed out something major
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: because this was supposed to happen before Host and one
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: of the characters. You're like, Okay, well, if this character
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: knew this at this point, why wouldn't that be mentioned?
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Because Jemma is in this one as well as Host,
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: And if she went through what she went in dash
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Cam and then went into Host, do you think she
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have done what she did in Host by you know,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: like unintentionally.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Do you think she'd be like, it's not like she
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: knew exactly what happened, But if she did know or
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: was even told, you'd think she'd have taken the events
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: of Host more seriously. And on the flip side, the
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: lady who was hosting the seance in Host, why exactly
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: would she give or set the course of more like
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: the plot into motion in this film, because she does.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: She basically puts someone into Annie's car and uh, that's
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: where all the bad things start happening. If if this
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: woman knew that the person she put into Annie's car
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: was dangerous and everything associated with her was dangerous, why
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: would she have a random stranger take her into danger?
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that whole or no, for no reason.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: Even though, like in host she was a character that
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: was like, Ah, you've put yourself in danger. This is
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: the best we can do to protect you. But also
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: you're getting people like you're putting people in the line
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: of fire too.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: What Yeah, the whole the whole house. She even got
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: the lady in her car was stupid, like, oh, you're
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: a random stranger. Yeah, take this woman like I would
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: have been, you know. And it's weird because it doesn't.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: That does not even make sense for Annie's character. Why
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: would she help somebody out. She's been a douche the
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: whole time. Why would she be like, yeah, oh uh,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I'll take you, no problem. I don't mind helping people.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: She hasn't done one good deed in this entire movie,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: but for some reason felt the need to help a
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: complete stranger.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Did she Yeah, one redeemable quality.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: I guess I missed that. Then I guess I missed
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: the transfer of cash yeah, okay, well then that makes
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: sense and that tracks with our shitty I mean, I
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: would love, honestly, I would love nothing more than to
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: talk to the director to see if maybe he could
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: provide some insight to how these are more related and
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: why he did what he did, like why he made
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Annie song. I would really love to just like kind
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: of discuss this because I don't maybe I don't get it,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: maybe there's something I don't I don't know, maybe there's
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: an explanation out there. But if you have to explain
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: your movie, then your movie is not doing it's it's
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: its job if you have to later be like, well,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: this was this and that was that. Okay, Well, yeah,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: what's the point of doing so I don't know. We've
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: gone on for this for quite some time. I told
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: you we we could just fill an entire episode. We
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: don't even I don't even know if we have time
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: to talk about this movie at this point.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, we might.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Just have to do uh well, we can either do
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: cliff notes version or we can just come back and
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: we'll just next week and just do this if you want,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: because I mean, we're already at forty five minutes, so
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know if we're gonna have time, because I
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: still want to talk about the other movies that we've
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: been watching. Yeah, yeah, what do you think should we
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: just do? Should we just do this something like an
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: on the next episode, maybe so we have more time
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: to talk about it.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, but if you tell me I have to rewatch
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: it next week so that way we can talk about it.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: No, good, no, because.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't want to rewatch the same movie
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: twice in two weeks. No, and I didn't enjoy it,
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: just to be.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Clear, No, yeah, no, no, no, yeah it was. It
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: was definitely a weird one. If anything, we can maybe
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: watch another another movie and just you know, if we
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: run out of time, we can. Uh what is that?
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: I have no idea.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Let me see what's to say?
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Some random number texted me some number I've never seen. Uh,
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: our appointment? When will you be ready?
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Text back? New number? Who dis I'm not doing that. No,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: don't answer that. It's a true Probably.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: I was like, I thought this was Monica. I'm like,
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Monica knows when my appointment is. She does my hair.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Just to be clear, Just to be clear, But yeah,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Man, Like, Okay, So now that we've
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: kind of destroyed that movie a little bit. Here. I
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: will talk about positive because I don't like to just
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: shit except for Firestarter. I didn't like anything about that movie.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: And when I didn't like it, when she said lyar
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: liar pants on fire, Yeah, I was like, Oh my god,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: I bt to the writer. Thought he was so fucking
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: creative there. Oh boy, I don't know why I'm meaning
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: soldered now.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, Look, when zach Efron started giving parenting advice that
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: was basically the parenting advice from Frozen Conceal don't feel
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: and then he was like, if you're gonna half kill something,
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: you have to whole kill something like who raised you, dude?
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Because you need therapy too, apparently, not.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: To mention, we're circling now, we're circling back. It's it's over.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: We still have two other movies to talk about. We're
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: just gonna call this the uh horror movie. No, we're
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: We're just call this episode welcome back. So yeah, it's
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: it's like, it's like she likes killing ship in that movie,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: and that's not how it went in the original you
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: know story, she was afraid of her powers and and
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: and didn't didn't want to use them and was like,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: I don't wanna, you know. I remember her being that
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: that uh, that frustration she had of like, I don't
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: want to accidentally, you know, explode ship. I need to
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: keep my power in, I need to try to harness it.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: And she's like, nah, fuck that, I fuck everyone, I'm
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: just gonna use this ship and kill cats spoiler alert.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, and then like okay, but she had no
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: character development. There was some very bizarre brief montage where
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: she develops I don't I don't care if I spoil this.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: It's so bad. It's it's like it's spoiled already in
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: the sense that it's fucking rotten.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: She her parents have their own abilities, and somehow it
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: is established that sort of that she too has these abilities,
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: and over the course of half of an afternoon, so
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: maybe two hours, she figures out and masters both of
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: those and sort of masters her own powers to go
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: on the world's most pointless rescue mission.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That was fucking stupid.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, if you if you've seen the book, if
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: you've seen the books or read the movie, watch the
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: book or read the movie, the original works there you'll
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: know how this is wrong when I say that the
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: farm happens about twenty minutes before the end of the film.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: And if you don't know why that's wrong, you didn't
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: read either of those.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: And that's and and what they did with u was
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: his name Herschel? Is that his name? It's the Maners farm,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Mander's farm, Earl, Earl. I don't know what they did
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: with his wife. What the fuck was the point of that?
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: No point to that. There was no point what they
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: did to him. There's no point what they did to Rainburn,
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: no point what they did to single character. It did
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: nothing for any of that.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: And it doesn't even make sense to have this movie
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: in this day and age, because back when they did
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: this movie, it was the eighties and cell phones and
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: tracking things were not you know, that's why they were
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: They had they had to briefly unexplain, Oh, that's why
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: we don't have cell phones, because they can track us,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: they can track you in other fucking ways.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: But also, if you're just gonna do a throwaway, oh,
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: I know, it's modern time, but we can't use technology. Okay,
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: that's fine, that's fine, that that's what you want to do.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: But at some fucking point. There needs to be a
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: reason you brought modern technology into the conversation. Yeah, because
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: to bring it up and say we can't use it,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: and then to have them never actually use it eliminates
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: the entire reason for bringing it up. It's not even
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: that like maybe Charlie got onto Google or something. No, no, no,
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. We're just saying this is why we
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: don't use cell phones. That's the dumbest shit I have
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: ever heard.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Oh and then the whole issue with the name thing.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: I won't say it, but the whole member of the
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: whole name thing. Yes, Oh my god.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: We're losing our minds over why they couldn't find them
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: using their names for the longest time. And when they
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: finally explain it, you're like, but why.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because they're they're there. Yeah.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: And to put her in school and go through that bullshit,
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: she's a kid who gets bullied trope. There was no point.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: She was already tormented by herself and the fear of
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: her own powers and the years she had been unable
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: to even sort of control them because she was too
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: young to understand them. And this was where she was
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: old enough to understand but not old enough to keep
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: full control of her emotions. That's why she was the
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: age she was. So did to add in school bullies,
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: there's no reason. Not every story is a carry story.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Not everyone needs a fucking villain at school.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't even think in that she there was
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: no mention of school in.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: The only mention was that she came home from school
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: and went to her friend's house, and that's when everything
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: got set into motion.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Oh wait, No, there was that one part that was
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: kind of the same where he was like, you're blind
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: and you can't see. That was in the that was
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: in this or was it not? Or am I thinking
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: of the original movie?
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: No, that did happen. Yeah, but they did it at
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: a different time.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They threw random bits of like the story in
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: there at the weirdest time.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: Took them in a hat, and then drew them out
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: one in a time. And I was like, this is
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: the order we'll put this in.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: Man, we are coming like we are coming back swinging.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: I wrote this movie.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: I was so excited, Like I can't tell you, I've
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: known this movie was coming out for years, so many if.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: We talked about this like not this, I think we
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: talked about it last, you know, like the movies to
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: come in twenty twenty one, we were like Firestarter apparently
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: as a remake, but.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: I've known about it for longer.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: What do you mean?
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: How so when I like a movie that's older, I occasionally,
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: while I'm watching said film or reading the book or whatever,
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: go and look up IMDb to see if they're gonna
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: make a remake of it.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: It hasn't been there for that long.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: It was there for a while. I knew it was
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: going to happen. I knew it, but like this was
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: before they had anyone cast or anything. This was just
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: when there was nine dB page. I knew it was
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: going to happen. And I was so excited for it
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: because I'm like, we've got the technology, we have so
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: much working for us. And they were like, yeah, but
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: you know what we're gonna do.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: None of it.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: Fuck it up.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Nothing will ever compare well, Okay, and the fire Starter.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Let me clarify the fire Starter universe to that ending
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: scene in their original movie with Charlie just yeating fireballs
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: at everyone. That was amazing.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: Barrymore is a fucking icon.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: It was amazing, and it was so awesome, and this
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: movie was just, Oh my god, it just made me sad,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: and actually, you know what, it really made me angry.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: At the end of the day. We were so upset
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: at the end of that movie. We're like, fuck that movie.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: I look. My dad introduced me to Firestarter. I don't
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: know why the theme this week has been here's things
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: my dad has had me watch at some point.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know either, but.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: No, he introduced me to the book. He did. He
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: kind of told me about the movie, but he introduced
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: me to the book because this was in the like
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: it'd be hard to find the movie yeah at the time,
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: and so he knew this movie was coming out. He
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: was looking forward to it. My sister also knew it.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: She also loved the book. So this is something like
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: most of the family was like, Oh, this is gonna
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: be awesome. I explained what happened to both of them
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: because I told them how bad the rating was, and
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: they were like, oh, why would you do any of that?
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: And I was like, I don't know, I don't know
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: why you would do any of that. It it was
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: so bizarre and so out of left field. You're like, well,
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: who did no one read the book or.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Again? It was like what Kubrick did with The Shiny,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: except the opposite way. The writers and directors of this
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: were like, what's the hell does the story go with Charlie?
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: And they gave him the cliff notes. They're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, cool, cool, cool,
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: that's good, we got it. No problem.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: Fire equals rage, We'll run with it.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I don't want to miss quote, but
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure the director or something didn't read the
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: book or didn't watched the movie on project Oh Zach Efron, Okay,
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: that's right, Yeah he didn't, which is that's fine.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: If the if the actor, he probably would have been
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: confused through filming too.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: Oh. I would have been like, why why are we
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: doing this?
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: This didn't happen, Nothing of this happened. Why are we
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: doing this? Is this a different Did I read the
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: wrong book? That's what would have happened.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna call this episode Firestarter twenty twenty two
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: because it's pretty much dominated the entire conversation.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: They call this episode fuck you, Scott Teams.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: I don't think Apple podcasts will allow me to say fuck,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: but I could say frig you maybe frig you T
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: S T frig us t or f us T just
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: I'll name it f dot U dot s dot t
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: dot f us T fussed. People will be very confused
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: at what that means.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: And uh not for nothing.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: But Rainbird was an interesting character with very weird motivations
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: and they were but like, you know, we had positive
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: thoughts because we thought Rainberd was finally cast by an
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: actual Native American actor and we're like, wow, how hard
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: was that to do?
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: And then they were like, oh, yeah, fuck that, we
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: don't care about that. We're gonna completely change his backstory,
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: his characterization, his motivations, all of it, and not only
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: and we're we're gonna pretend like it's gonna be the same,
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: and at the last minute, we're just gonna change it
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: all and we're he's gonna say his motivations are the same,
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: and we're gonna make sure that never happens. You're just like,
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: I don't again, why.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: And someone else in this movie who shouldn't have powers
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: hats powers and you're just like this makes even more less.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: I don't. My fucking brain hurts. It made my brain
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: hurt a lot of There's not many movies that make
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: my brain actually hurt from how fucking dumb they are.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: And we typically don't like to do this on the show,
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: you know, we'll try to find the good in things
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: I don't. There was not no nothing good about that.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: CGI was bad, was not great. I knew I was,
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: you know, trying to keep it hopeful. In the beginning,
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: when they're like kind of establishing the family dynamic, I'm like,
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: all right, this is kind of weird because it starts
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: with them being on the run, because it's supposed to
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: throw you right into the action to let you know
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: how high stakes the situation is for them. But this
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: starts with them with the family and okay, and I'm like,
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: all right, I guess we'll just see maybe they just
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: wanted to take a different route. And like we're waiting
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: for the story to kick off, and here it is.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: It's going to kick off, except for some reason. Now
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: Rainbird's the one kicking the story off and kicking off
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: the mom and then they are in a situation where
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: for Charlie and Rainbird, she's never supposed to know who
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: he is until the last possible moment. He wants her
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: to be completely in the dark so he can manipulate her.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: And it is a huge part of the story. It
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: is like his whole yeah, his whole fucking plot line
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: is h Yeah, making her believe that he's her friend
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: and she has no idea how much he has participated
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: in getting her where she is. And the fact that
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: fifteen minutes into the movie he's got her like he's
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: caught her in his arms and like she turns around
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: and attacks him. I'm like, immediately, I'm like, Okay, that's it.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: There's there's no coming back from that, because unless they're
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: gonna have her knocked in the head so fucking hard
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: she doesn't remember what she just saw, there's no coming
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: back from that.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: And that's when I knew the story was fucking wrecked. Yeah,
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: because in the main you know, in the book and
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: in the movie, there's there's a especially in the movie. Well,
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: I guess more so in the book because you know,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: the book is more drawn out, but there is like
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: probably thirty minutes i'd say, of the original movie dedicated
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: to Charlie and Andy in the place run by the
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: Shop where they're doing time the shot shot. Yeahere they're
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: doing tests on them and Rainbird's going in there trying
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: to build that relationship. Trying to get her on his side,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: you know, being buddy buddy with her, trying to relate
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: to her. That is like a major, major, major plot
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: point in the movie because when it's revealed that he's
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: not buddy buddy to her and he's got other motives,
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: you know, that changes her opinion of him, you know.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: But again that's last second, that's when she goes into
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: that blind rage at the end of the movie, yep,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: and the book, you know, because you know, she meets
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: up with Andy, they took leave and then Rainbird is
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: you know, revealed, correct me if I'm wrong, Is that's right? Yes,
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: because Rainbird is revealed once Andy is there, and then
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: I believe Rainbird shoots Andy or something like yeah, and
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: then she's like what the fuck? So to change that
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: entirely so soon in the movie, it's like that doesn't
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: make what? Oh, like, that doesn't It just doesn't make sense,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: because that's a major part of the story to not
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: changed slightly, but to drastically alter in a way that
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: just what I don't like. I'd love to just sit
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: down with these guys and just as why what what
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: what happened here? Guys? What did we do? Were we
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: drunk when we wrote this. Were we trying to We're
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: trying to just do something different that didn't work out? Right?
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: Did we read the book at all?
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: By the way, to be clear, everything he has just
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: described does not spoil a single second of the plot
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: the movie.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: In this movie, it does it.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: And that's how you know there's a problem, as not
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: one second of that will have spoiled anything that happened
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: in the film.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know the original movie in the book. Yeah,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: but I mean that's from the eighties. If you haven't
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: seen that yet, it's a little too late.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, totally watch that. That's the one you should watch.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely that one. It's it's eighties, so it's
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: a little cheesy, but exponentially better. Drew Barrymore was a
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: fantastic child actor.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Perfect for that too, I mean seriously.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: Well, and yeah, there's even a trivia on that movie
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: about how when the book came out the little girl
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: on the cover, Drew Barrymore's mom saw the little girl
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: on the cover and said, hey, that looks like you.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: Oh shit, and then she went on to player, well,
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: and it's funny too, because someone I think she got
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: turned down for remember Drew Barrymore was trying out for
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: a role and got turned down but then ended up
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: doing this. Yes, I can't remember what it was in
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: the eighties. Maybe what was it, Poulter, Oh, yes it was,
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: I think it was Poulter. Guys.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm pretty sure.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure something like that. So, yeah, she was
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: a great choice for that. And yeah, the original is
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: not amazing. Miami means I was. It was at a
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: three for me because I was like, this is a
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: good movie, but then the you know, the third act
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: of that movie is just fucking bonkers, so I gave
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: it an extra half star. So to me, it's a
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: three five out of five. I'll just go ahead and
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: tell you my rating of this one. It's it's one
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: and a half stars of the New One. And I
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: haven't had a one and a half star horror movie,
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: well new leasewise, since twenty twenty when we watched The
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Turning and what was the other one that was a
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: fucking one and a half. It was, Yeah, it was
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: The Turning and something else that was just so I
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: haven't had a movie that low rated in two fucking years.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: That's how long it's been since I have given a
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: new horror movie for the year that low of a rating.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: It was okay, it was The Turning Oh and the
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: Boy too, Broms.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: You know what, that movie pissed me off again just
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: talking about it. So I've lowered my score some more.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, you can only lower it one more.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: No, I can only lower it half.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: Well, so I'm saying one more rating.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's only nowhere else to go. But bottom.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: You've swayed my opinion too. I'm lowering it out even worse.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: Dash Can pissed me off too. I'm lowering that one too.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: Not as low as a fire Charter, but fire Starter's
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: my worst rated movie.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, So yeah, I'm gonna let me go ahead.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: Here's my problem. We usually have a top ten thing
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: every year at the bottom ten. So far this year
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: I have eleven films and most of them.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: Not so good.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: On the bottom ten.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: I know, I gotta start showing you some good shit here.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, my top three I'm I'm solid on. But
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: the uh, the rest of them, it's like some of
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: them like yeah, that was fun, and other ones were
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: like and then towards the bottom are like, yeah.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: You're right, I lowered that because I actually I was
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: looking at it and I was like The Turning and Broms.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: I was like, yes, those were terrible movies, but there
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: was some parts I liked. You know what, No, fuck
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: that movie that was worse than those movies.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: Those at least had something going for them, like some scares. Yeah,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: they were like what why why you do that?
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: That's true, You're right, you know, the Broms. Broms The
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: Boy Too was at least kind of creepy in summer instances,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: even though they ship on the first movie. And The Turning,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: yes had some at least good scares, but it was
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: still a shitty movie. But yeah, I just I really
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: do have so much hatred in my heart for Firestarter.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: I you know what, what what happened my last film
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: for last year, my bottom film Halloween Kills.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's what I'm saying, man.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: I just think that's funny. Basically, both that guys made
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: my bottom list for both films. Yeah, because last year
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: I had watched twenty three films and I had my
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: top three were all five stars I had in my
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: top ten. Nothing was lower than one three and a
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: half star. Oh wow, so far this year I've only
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: got three movies over a four.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: Ooh, yeah, we gotta start watch. It's fucking June. We
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: only have we have half the year left, so we
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: gotta start kicking out some horror movies. Man. I watched
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: sixty new horror movies in twenty twenty. I don't know
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: what's going on this year, but there's just not a lot. Well.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: We got Terror Trip, Yeah boy an off season, and.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: We got the Black Phone and watch that Egg movie.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: And we got Halloween ends, and then we got the Hatchet. God.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: I hope it's ending because I can't take.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: I can't take.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: So I don't think he's writing that one.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: I hope not.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: No, I didn't see that on his thing. I'll double check, though.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: I mean that would probably be for the best because
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: I don't need him. I don't just no more Tommy
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: and no more Evil Gyes tonight. If they utter that
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: one fucking time and Halloween ends, I will get up
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: and walk out and I will watch it later. I
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: don't want to hear that phrase ever again in my life.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: David Gordon Green Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, Paul brad Logan,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: Danny McBride.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, same people who've written are the you know, uh,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: Danny McBride and David Gordon Green have written the first
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: and second one, and Chris Brenner, so there's four writers. Yeah, okay,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: that's fine. There's there's hope. There's hope. I hope they
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: bring it back around.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, bring it back around, man. Yeah. The important thing
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: is that Scott team says, not a fucking thing to
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: do with this, because that guy.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: You know what's funny too about the Halloween franchise is,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: you know, obviously everyone loves the first one. I prefer
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: the second one over the first one. I love Halloween two,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: but then when you come back around to Rob Zombies
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: Halloween two, that one was not great either. And then
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: Halloween Kills was the second one, you know, so it's like,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: for some reason there's this curse with the second one
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: except for the original, but you know, Rob Zombies and
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: then this one just have not been great. And then
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: the third one season of the Witch, you know, area
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: people are kind of divided on that one. So I'm
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: wondering that. I'm kind of curious because you know, Rob
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: Zombie was supposed to do a third one, but you know,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: second one just didn't do so good so they didn't
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: do a third one, or at least that's what I
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: was That's what I've been told and read on the internet.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: Who knows, who knows how true that is. But so
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: I'm curious to see if this one's gonna stick the
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: landing or not, because how bad Too was? But uh, really?
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: How what? What do you feel about Firestar?
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: You know what we should talk about with the last
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: little bit of time.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: Mm.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because we're gonna have to talk about the other
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: two at the beginning of the next show that we'll do. Well. No,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: I'm saying we had we had a few more to
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: talk about. We can talk. Do you want which one
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: you want to talk about? You want to talk about Crams
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: in the future of men men? Okay, so then we
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: can talk if we're shitting on movies, were you're gonna
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: shot on that one too?
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: No, not not near as much as anything else. There
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: are some redeeming qualities to that one, but not.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: Oh oh, are redeeming qualities of dash. Can let me
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: say at least some positive things about that liked the gore.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: There was some incredible gore in that not like a lot,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: but incredible gore. And there was some extremely freaky moments,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: and of course me, you know me, I love found
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: DID style movies. So I did like the POV style.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: I did feel it was a bit shaky at times,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: more shaky than you know, normal. It was very, very jarring,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: but great gore, really creepy scenes, and I did like
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: the setting of being in a car. But also I
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: will ask you the question, why was there, like, how
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: many car crashes do we need in a fucking movie?
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: So many car crashes?
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: That?
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that that got the rating it got for me.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: All that rating went directly to the gore horror part.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: That's why I gave it anything else. Yeah, that's why
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: I gave it what I get.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: That's why it's higher than Firestarter and barely.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's the redeeming qualities of dash Cam for me.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: It had some in there, but you know whatever. But
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: all right, so yeah, I'm just gonna call this episode
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: fire starter since we pretty much talked about that the
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: whole movie.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: Burn these movies to the ground, fire.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: Start these movies to the ground, because yeah, that's apparently
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: what we've been talking about for most of this episode.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: But let's end this movie podcast time thing before later
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: on men, oh, boy, the movie not like men in general.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: We don't have time for that.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: No, I don't have any time for that.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, So if you don't know anything about men, the
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: basic plot of that one is that, like a lady
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: is going out to the country to get some space
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: after her ex husband kills himself.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: What what fuckings? It's literally yeah, but like you don't
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: know if it's the blurb? Does it? Is it the blurb?
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: It absolutely is, So I knew that before we went
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: into the movie.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: So no, no, it says a young woman goes on
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: a solo vacation to the English country side following the
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: death of her ex husband. Fucking spoiler alert, dude, kind
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: of a spoiler. We didn't wait ever anyway.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: Ah, spoiler alert whatever anyway. So yeah, so there was
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: some definite creep factor, which was really cool. We went
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: and saw this at an indie movie theater and the
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: mistake of eating while watching it. It felt like a
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: mistake in parts.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean not until like the third act. Yeah,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: it was pretty much done. That's okay.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: I was really happy we got our food faster for
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: crime so the future, because I was like, I don't
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: want to repeat that incident. Because there's a certain point
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: where I was eating and I.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: Was just like, yeah, that was body horror too, so
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: we knew. It was just like, Okay, that's fine, that's fine,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: no biggie. Yeah.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: Men was very artistically pretty.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: A twenty four baby. Yeah.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: I think the issue we had is like the metaphors
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: were so straight on that you were just like, I'm
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: confused what am I am? I supposed to be getting
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: more out of the metaphor. The writing was a little
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: sloppy as far as like the metaphor is the symbolism
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: the point it was it was a little on the
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: sloppy side and a little surface value for what they
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: were trying to do, or some people described it, it
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: is clearly a feminist movie written by a man.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: I was just about to say it sounds like it
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: was a movie about you know, like what am I
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: trying to say? It sounds like it was a movie
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: written by a man that was trying to give a
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: woman's point of view. So yeah, not really. Uh, you know,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: this is Alex Garland. He did he wrote and direct
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: or at least he directed X Machina, which is a
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: fucking cinematic masterpiece, so good and I'm not saying this
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: wasn't good, but yeah, it just if a woman had
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: directed this, I feel like the message would have been
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: a little bit clearer and more accurate to what he
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: wanted to do. But yeah, it literally just felt like
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: a feminist movie written by a man.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of vibes like someone like maybe if a
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: woman read this script, she'd have been like, actually, it
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: would be better with no. I understand how women work. Yeah,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: you don't need to tell me.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: That's kind of what it felt like.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: So considering he did this in ex Machina, it reminds
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: me of that little blurby thing on TikTok wers like
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: men are stupid and I don't respect them. It just
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: kind of reminds me of that because every movie he has,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: they're just like men are dumb. I mean, Next Machina,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: think about what she does to those men.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: I mean it definitely he uh whatever her name is
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: robot lady and the.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: Annually wrecks everybody's day.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: Well, one guy, I understand why she wrecked his day.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: That makes sense. But the other guy, You're just like,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: but he didn't do anything.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: Wrong, and I'll explain why after we're off this podcast.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: I've thought about it. We should watch that movie I'm busy?
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: Should that I'm busy?
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: Uh So, Yeah. The thing with men is they did
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: a lot of metaphors and it just was like, I
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: don't know why we're this poor woman because she's clearly
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: like gone through a traumatic event, and their goal was
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: to you know what is nice when a woman's been terrorized,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: it's terrorizerr some more and basically giving the impression that
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: women will just spend their whole lives being terrorized by men,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: which was very weird and confusing. Props though, to the
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: idea of having one man play every male character. That
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: was very off putting.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: Well that you know, like the bartender and the guy
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: is in the.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: Bar, where every guy in the town was played by
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: the same guy, every.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: Every guy that she interacted with at like the house, yeah,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: and like the church. It was fucking jarring though, because
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: they put his face on like a little boy or
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: like a young boy at one point, and then he
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: was the priest, and then he was the guy who
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: had the house, and he was the naked guy and
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: you're just like and a lot of.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: It see like a weird metaphor for how men can
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: blame women for the terrible situations they find themselves in,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: Like they will pre presented with, uh, sorry for this example,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: but if a woman gets sexually assaulted, the first thing
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: that comes up what were you wearing?
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: This movie felt. Whenever something happened to her and she
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: expressed this, that someone would be like, well, what did
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: you do to deserve that? Like what?
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: Well, but that also is a pretty interesting social message
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: about how women are brushed off, So it's like that
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: was a thing that rings true in society. Like when
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: the cop, uh, when they catch the naked guy and
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: then they let him go, and she's like, why the
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: fuck would you do that? He's like, well, it wasn't
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: doing anything wrong. Okay, he was creeping around my property
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: with his fucking penis out that you he should that's
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: like public indecency. You should be like charging him with something.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: And the cops totally brushed her off exactly. And then
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: the priest guy too, and he was like, why do
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: you think your husband killed? What did you do? And
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: she's like, what the fuck do you mean? What did
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: I do? He's like, well, well, you know, what did
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: you do to push him to that? It's that's like
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: society man, that's fucking it's bullshit.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: Which is great. And what happened the issue is that
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: that is a very common and no well known issue. Yeah,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: it's very clearly what they are trying to establish. The
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: issue is they don't go deeper into that and deeper
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: into discussing that issue. They just expressed that issue on screen.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: And I think that's where people had problems because you
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: don't really see that issue get resolved, you don't see
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: that issue further explored. It's just like every guy in
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: that town either feels like uh, it feels like some
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: version of a man, of a stereotype of a man,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: and she is doing something wrong no matter what she's doing,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: and you're just like, Okay, if they had dug more
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: deeply into these problems and like figured out a way
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: to really discuss them, that probably would have helped the
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: film more.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that is true. You're right, because they
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: didn't really. Yeah, there was no.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: Addressing the issue. It's just this is the issue. And
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: it's like, by the way, we're now going to scare
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: the hell out of you. After you've been emotionally terrorized,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: we will physically terrorize you.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: I also got the impression from this that like all
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: men are the same, you know what I mean, like
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: one of the yeah, because like all men are the
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: same and they're all awful. And I'm like, I mean,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't really necessarily disagree with you, but
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: you know, there are people out there that are not
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: the stereotype of just being a you know, a man
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: And again, h if they dug into it more, that
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: would have been something. But the other interesting concept is, Okay,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: so if they had, maybe the guy was all the
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: same person, and then eventually maybe she starts seeing that
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: they are really different guys, and maybe, like what I
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: had thought was going to happen prior to seeing who
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: the husband was, I thought that this guy was gonna
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: be like the face of someone who was like maybe
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: your husband or maybe someone who had attacked her earlier,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: and she was having a problem disassociating. So she just
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: sees everybody as this guy. But it's not. It's just
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: a guy. And so you're like, Okay, the thing is
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: is that kind of eliminates the thing that when women
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: get it when you say the whole it's not all
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: men thing.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, The thing is.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: Is usually there when a girl thinks about something horrible
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: happening to her, she's remembering a guy that the first
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: guy that maybe made her feel uncomfortable, attacked her, put
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: her in a situation she did not know how to
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: get out of. And so if they had maybe made
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: that like she's just seeing the face of the guy
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: and maybe it's like when that route, that also would
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: have made more sense, because even if it was like
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: they're all the same guy and now we're gonna make
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: it okay, they're not really all the same guy, she's
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: just seeing them that way, well, then it's just the
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: whole so not all men thing. So there was like,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: you gotta really dig into why you want to bring
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: this particular problem to your film. What is that for?
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: Why are you doing that? You're not wrong? That makes
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: a lot of sense. And if they did, if they know,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: if they did something a little bit different in that
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: vein night, it probably would have worked better for me.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: I mean I still enjoyed it, yeah, like I still
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: enjoy it. Yeah, I still enjoyed it, just because it
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: was creepy and weird and different, and the third act
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: literally had me wide eyed and covering my mouth. Because
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know what I'm witnessing. We
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: always go and watch traumatic movies at the enzyon Saint
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: maud Men Crimes of the Future, fuck man. We always
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: go there to just torture ourselves. But yeah, uh yeah,
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: that third act is wild and then what happens. I
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: really liked how they linked the death of the husband
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: to whatever that thing was at the end, and you're
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: like you because you you kind of called it. You
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: were like, oh, I think it's this, and oh my god,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: I didn't even put that together with the injuries and
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: stuff like that.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: So it was still don't get why though he did
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: the thing, but we didn't really dig into the reason
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: we did the thing. So it's just like, Okay, well
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: then you just did a thing.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: I know, so, but it's it was also beyond that.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: It was beautifully shot, you know, it looked. It looked amazing. Uh.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: The main actress, let me get her name because I
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: want to actually shout her out. She did are Yeah,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: Jesse Buckley. She was phenomenal. She had such a range
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: of emotions and she was absolutely fantastic in that role.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to see what other things she's done
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: because she really sold it, and and you know, even
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: even the other cast. You know, her husband was a
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: fantastic actress. And I really liked the witty charm of
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: the guy who owned the home. He was such an
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: odd ball, like a weirdo, you know what I mean.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: So there was so many elements that worked for this movie.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: But then, yeah, all the metaphors and all the kind
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: of message behind and it we're a little jumbled and
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: mishmashed and a little hard to understand. That's one I
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: need to look at a like explanation video of Yeah,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: that's the thing.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: Like, that's the issue a lot of people had, Like
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: I don't think there was a deeper explanation. It's like,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: you got you can't give me this kind of topic
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: without giving me the substance to go with it.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: No, you're right, but yeah, I mean it's like I
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: had to look at the lighthouse, you know, and see
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: what was going on with that.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: But I caught those metaphors. So shout out to me. Yeah, yeah, Actually,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: shout out to Zena for catching those metaphors for me.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: Whatever, let's wrap this up, though, we somehow managed to
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: fill an entire podcast without even talking about the movie.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: So that was the Fantastic Fear of Everything. Fire Starter
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: fucked fire Starter. Wow, we came back with like a
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: vengeance in our hearts today. It was it was fueled
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: by the hatred of fire Starter and we saw that
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: weeks ago. I'm still mad, I'm still fuming. So me
• 1:18:54
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• 1:18:57
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• 1:19:00
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