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El transporte por carretera y los combustibles renovables · Movilidad Renovable

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Renewable mobility, that the platform program for renewable fuels is very good afternoon.
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Today a new space begins here, in Capital Radio, in which we want
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to give visibility to a solution still something unknown for our mobility, but that
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is already a present option to solve the problem of pollution of emissions and to
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be more sustainable. We talk about renewable fuels that allow us to continue our
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daily lives, without needing to change anything. They are the real sustainable alternative.
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They are produced from organic waste such as aphytes, used jeres and kneads,
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industrial waste in many ways, and one of their main strengths is that
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they minimize emissions, since the ceo two released in their use is the same
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as that previously removed by the atmosphere, so they are one of the most
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effective solutions to reduce emissions from transport, from their present, from their uses,
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from their application and from their future. We will talk the next few
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weeks here in Renewable Mobility, with the collaboration of the platform for renewable fuels
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Renewable Mobility with Miguel San Martín, Renewable Mobility the latest news and we put
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some examples of how these fuels are already being used. For example, Moure
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Group, with its presence in the energy and car cleaning sector, has also
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expressed its support for renewable fuels as the most sustainable alternative to traditional carbonants and
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has called for more support to scale its production by two thousand thirty- five.
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Its Director General anticipated that the transition to cleaner mobility will be through a
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hybrid model, not from full electrification, and says that renewable fuels is the
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best way to reduce emissions. Reb Sola also announces that it is planted in
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Cartagena with the capacity to manufacture two hundred and fifty thousand tons of renewable fuel
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annually. Large- scale production has begun. It is the first of the
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peninsula dedicated exclusively to the production of these fuels and in which they have invested
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two hundred fifty million euros to this new plant, whose production of renewable fuels
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represents five percent of its total production of tenel or one seventeen in that of
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kerosene will be added in two thousand twenty- five a second in Puerto Llano
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in network sun. It currently supplies 100 per cent renewable fuel to more than
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one hundred and forty locations in Spain and Portugal. The six hundredth goal at
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the end of this year and more solarija announces its intention to invest almost eight
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hundred million euros in the numantia project in Soria focused the production of sustainable fuels
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for aviation. The initiative and the administrative process has begun. They' re
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going to start the works and have the facilities operational in two thousand twenty-
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eight. The forecast is that they will produce 60, 000 tons of sustainable
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fire for aviation, which is a figure equivalent to twelve zero flights between Madrid
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and Palma de Mallorca. And finally, the Danish chain of shops Taigar specialized
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in low price products, It has signed an agreement with the Shipping MAS to
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incorporate the transport program to move all its marine cargo through the services that use
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renewable fuels sea It says that the use of these as fuels against fossils allows
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to avoid the charges also associated with the entry of the marine mode. There
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is a European issue of emissions trading, the renewable mobility interview and we are
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going to approach this first programme as opposed to renewable fuels. And for this
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we have with us that will listen every week here next to me, Inés
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Cardenal, is already the spokesman of the platform for renewable fuels and is that
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such good afternoon, thank you very much, Miguel. Pleased to be here
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on a project as beautiful as it is to explain this reality to the listeners
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of radio capital and for them to, as we say, a reality that
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you have just told us what this platform is, because the platform for renewable
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fuels is born in the year two thousand twenty- one. Because, well,
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many sectors that considered it necessary to join forces to propose the alternative of
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renewable fuels simply as one more in the decarbonisation process. We do not understand
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that the energy transition has to be posed as a war between technologies, but
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we believe that all of them will then be necessary on the platform, because
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we are present, on the one hand, the producers and distributors of renewable
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fuels but then many other sectors that will need them to decarbonize, such as
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the transport of goods and people and passengers by road, maritime air transport,
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the agricultural sector, manufacturers of automotive components, the motorcycle sector. Well,
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anyway, as I say, we represent more than three hundred and forty-
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eight thousand companies of all kinds, from multinationals to self- employed and nothing
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less than five seven million workers. It is said soon that they are all
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integrated into this platform for that purpose. Because what is the objective, Why
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is it born, Well it is born because we believe, we understand that
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both Europe and Spain are proposing as the only alternative to achieve the neutrality of
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emissions by two thousand fifty to electrification. And well, and we understand this
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as a wrong goal. The aim is not to electrify. The goal is
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to achieve emissions neutrality by two thousand and fifty, as I said, and
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to achieve that goal, which is tremendously challenging, we believe that all alternatives
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are necessary. We insist without wars. This is not an anti- electrification
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platform. It is simply a platform that believes that if we do not take
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into account all the alternatives, because the transition forgiveness is not going to be
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what he has told us, that it has to be that it is fair,
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efficient and inclusive. We do not have to take into account that each
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sector has needs, that every consumer has circumstances and only using all alternatives,
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such as renewable fuels too, because all those needs can be met within that
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objective. It is, as pointed out ines, to be an alternative.
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This is something we are going to say unique to our country or at European
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level there are also similar initiatives and work is being done on these renewable fuels.
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Yes, there are platforms similar to Spanish in other countries. And because,
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indeed, as I said before, it is Europe that is driving this
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exclusively electrical regulation. In other words, Europe wants to reserve renewable fuels for
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uses that cannot be electrified exclusively, such as aviation and maritime. But it
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' s that we believe and then we' re going to see it in
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the chat we' re going to have next. We believe that there are
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sectors such as freight and road passenger transport that, with renewable fuels, can
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begin to decarbonize immediately and progressively, without the need to ship the entire fleet,
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using the existing infrastructure, that is, we want it to be a
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much more efficient alternative and more cost efficient for these sectors. No, but
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there are similar infinitious initiatives and also, as I said in the news,
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it should be noted that it is a reality that is present, that can
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be used, that it is not something of the future, but that or
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like other technologies that will arrive or that say they will be here, it
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is already yes, we have the very great advantage over other technologies that we
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know how to do it already, as you said, are already commercializing in
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Spain, 100% renewable fuels projects. There are many projects under way.
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You have cited some, but there are many more and, indeed, the
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great advantage that should not be expected. In other words, we can use
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the entire distribution infrastructure and the entire fleet of vehicles exists. It' s
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a reality, it' s the present, it' s not the future.
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But let' s also put po with the bad side. Why is
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it that the best that this is one of the objectives of this space,
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that the general public and, above all, the audience capital radio mainly of
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business enterprises know that it is a valid option for their strategies of sustainability,
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because from the regulation is being told to the citizens and the sectors that are
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then to debate today that their only alternative is to buy an electric vehicle.
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That is the signal that is being given and to companies also from the regulatory
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point of view, what is being told is we just want to bet on
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literacy. Therefore, it is very difficult in this environment, since the investments
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that are necessary are given, which are billionaires to transform, for example,
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the entire refining system in Spain and the consumers the sectors, because really they
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are not being given the alternative. Today, a trans is not being proposed
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on an equal footing. I insist without wars, this is very important and
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without questioning the objectives. This is also one thing All the associations attached to
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the platform are absolutely committed to the goal. We are only questioning how this
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objective can be achieved. It will be achieved because, of course, we
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are also persistent and we will continue to disseminate everything that is necessary to make
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known this alternative, which has infinite benefits for the whole of the industry,
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of the Spanish society, of the economic sectors. We believe it is a
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bet that benefits the rural economy, the circular economy, the energy independence of
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our country, the competitiveness of freight and passenger transport, which will then debate
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the need to de- cargo. Therefore, they are all benefits. There
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' s no problem. In conclusion, he mentioned rural Spain, where,
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as there may be cities that never see a point, a point to recharge
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and that can be asked with my large, small medium vehicle, you can
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use this type of fuel. A vehicle that is eight ten years old,
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for example, more short than just bought, will then be counted by our
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guests. But it' s already being used. As I say, they
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are 100% renewable fuels. You have mentioned it many times, for example,
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made with used cooking oil that until recently was thrown in the sink and
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that is practically indistinguishable from diesel. They' ll tell. But come on.
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I believe that the tests are very satisfactory and that it is a product
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that is fulfilling in the instrument all the characteristics that the sectors and the consumers
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need, because here we leave a little the basis of what it is,
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we will have a lot of time to debate. And as Inés said,
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so let' s go with the chat. The renewable mobility meeting begins.
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In addition to Inés Cardenal, he accompanies us in Ramón Maldía, who is
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the Executive Vice President of ASTI and the International Road Transport Association. Ramon how
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about, Very good hello, good afternoon, Héctor Benito is the project manager
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and racing consultancy, Héctor logistics group very good afternoon, and MiguelÁngel Alonso,
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the director of engineering and European Fund Office of ALSA How about, My
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Grandel Thank you for joining us. Thank you very much, Miguel. If
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you allow me, let' s start with Ramón, who is the one
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who groups a little bit the then the Road Transport Association, and then talk
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about your examples and to say why these Ramón renewable fuels are important for transport
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and, therefore, because they can be. In addition, even I am
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going to say I throw myself into the pool a little, a way of
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salvation for many companies that have to continue with their activity the society of their
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current way of life is inconceivable without there being transport of roads, without that
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all the industries and territories are vertebrated with the movement of passengers and goods.
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Then, therefore, we, representatives of companies that buy vehicles to service the
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society of that demand for mobility of people and goods, what we want is
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that there is the maximum possible variety of options. Does it seem a little
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difficult to accept that in these years, in which we are all so aware
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that the world can change every fortnight radically, we have the ability to foresee
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at such a distance with such certainty? It seems that this is a little
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difficult to accept that we already know the solution that is going to be in
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the two thousand thirty- five, in the two thousand fifty, the more
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options we have, the more variety there is better. We will adapt with
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each option to each application where it is most efficient, where both the economic
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point of view is more efficient and more efficient from the point of view of
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the objective of sharing of being neutral in emissions of so two in the two
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thousand fifty. Therefore, this is an option that already exists that people,
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who you said before, do not know, but that people, the normal
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citizen, are already using half fuels. Every time we put a liter of
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fuel in our car, ten percent is already one of these. Therefore,
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there is infrastructure, as has been pointed out, there is capacity and we,
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as representatives of road transport companies, what we are also interested in a
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second derivative is that Spain is a powerful industrial country that you believe in our
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mind, that you believe that its economy is going well. And we believe
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that this is a good option, because Spain brings together the conditions it is
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necessary to be able to manufacture, to be able to supply not only to
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Spanish consumption, but also to export this type of fuel and help the Spanish
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industry, since it reaches that famous twenty percent of the IP and that we
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all want, that will be good for the Spanish economy and, therefore,
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good for what we dedicate to serving the citizens and the companies. And besides
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that in Spain we have not commented many times Ramón is a country in which,
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therefore, the transport of goods by rail is, because we are going
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to say, almost anecdotal and much presence of road transport. And then it
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is tremendously important for the economy of all areas. And, in fact,
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it is also that the Spanish business fabric, compared to other countries, as
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it is a much smaller business fabric and, therefore, the movement of goods
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adapts much better to the road. It is not that Spain has already been
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despised, but rail transport is that it adapts worse to reality. Still we
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drive intermodality and we are delighted to have in green of ninety- five per
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share of movement of goods only eighty, if that eighty is larger, ninety
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- five. Therefore, growing the economy interests us, because we will talk
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with if I allow two monsters of the size of the road transport, as
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previously presented to Hector to the Project Manager, Career Consulting, logistic group,
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so that people are a little what you are doing and already with renewable fuels,
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to send a little more in that it is a reality and with an
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experience that you take time. Well, we, as operators, are specialized.
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Well, he' s an international prior. We have comprehensive logistics,
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we specialize in food, drinks, energy and circular economy. And well it
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does we compete with big international companies, because we are really a national company
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and each of the great elements that a local company has to have to compete
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with these moderates you are to be more competitive and have a differential with these
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operators in many of these characteristics. Within the strategic plans we designed a model
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in which the sustainable logistics operator would be the worst in the future, just
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as the information systems would have differentiated us from others. We understood that holding
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it was going to be a very important change for an operator under several premises.
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The first is that the cost structure of an operator is based on its
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logistics warehouses, so we have a great energy consumption and more when you are
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engaged in controlled temperature sectors. And the second, of course, in the
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end we have a great consumption, which is the ten the fuell because in
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the end, of course, all our logistics has to be based on the
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movement, the movement of vehicles, which we did manage to control those two
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variables. We understood that in the future we managed to be more efficient than
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the rest and, moreover, if we managed to make those variables Green,
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we would have a great differential. In two thousand eleven we began to design
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our action plan. That' s where we started hiring the green energy part
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with our power generation with more efficient warehouses. And we already saw clearly that
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the vehicle was the part of the equation that weighs the most for us,
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the bigger we are, the more vehicles, we need to move and that,
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therefore, the more consumption we have That' s where we started some
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very clear strategies of efficient driving network, of reducing the weight of our vehicles,
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of engaging the projects of the duos, etc. And we saw clearly
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that the next step was to either prepare for new fuels, because we understood
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that it was the next step that the only part that allows us today to
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continue with our reduction. In fact, today we have had the second star
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of Lina Green, which means that we have reduced our emissions by thirty percent
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from two thousand sixteen that base year. This year we will have the third,
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which is thirty- five, and all the evolution that remains of us
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is the substitution of the fuels that we are using in agreement. Two years
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ago we made an agreement with one of the big oil companies because they needed
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pilots to be able to make use of fuel. We put ourselves at the
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disposal of them as a company and began testing in all our fleet types,
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from large tonnage vehicles, capillary collection vehicles, smaller distribution vehicles and different motorizations
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and brands, the use of Uando biofuels we started with a very small diesel
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in the area of Catalonia and gradually we evolved and tested it towards all the
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motorizations we had and all kinds of use of vehicles, that is, forcing
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the vehicle and making a lot of tonnage with less weight, intermediate zones,
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making mixtures with the biofuel, days, etc. And that' s where
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we figured it out. Indeed, we already knew that, because the brands
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that accompany us are already using it in other countries. It was an efficient
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method. That' s where we' ve been evolving in the last year
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and Vale peak. It is true that at first it was harder because it
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was mainly a cost issue Vale. Many of our other customers have already started
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to participate in our projects. We have piloted with the vast majority of them
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and to this day, which I think we are already in the final phase,
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is that well, there is already a large deployment of biofuel, with
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which junces can already refuel in almost all areas of Spain and Portugal. Now
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we have a very easy one is worth and we have everything that these bikers
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of the vast majority of our customers are no longer demanding that that, that
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is an important point, that also the customers themselves are aware of sustainability and
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that they ask for it exactly. Then, from there each for us had
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a double focus. First is whether Europe moves towards a circular environment and everything
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has to be rousable, because fuel did not have to be. That was
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one of the first variables. And second, because in the end logistics has
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a lot of complexity in the way it is distributed and apart, it is
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vertebrated by a group of many companies that also support the operators that we need
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to be international. Then of course I, for example, can' t
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get to the Arán Valley to distribute. That' s why I have smaller
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companies that collaborate with me and make the distribution clear. Of course, when
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you have to design a complete structure, new distribution, you want to change
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all your means, invest in everything. You have to look clearly at the
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means that it has, in the work cycles, in the productivity that we
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have to have as companies. All these variables are very important to us and
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biofuel, in this case, for us is a very fast solution, because
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my collaborators can use them without any problem. It may be a topic that
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they have to replace their vehicles with some more modern, but well, they
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are vehicles of lower cost and in our fleets that are continuously renewed by the
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number of kilometers that we do, we have it very easy, because our
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entire fleet is prepared and designed for the use of vidio fuels And in the
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case of Alza, look range because in our case look at us to comment
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for a company of road passenger transport. It is really a challenge, a
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challenge, the issue of transition, and in that sense, we have been
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working for many years in a pioneering way in our sector to test these new
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technologies. We have tried technologies of all kinds to know which final is the
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most cost- effective, but above all, that it is sustainable. For
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us, the important thing is that everything we transition is sustainable from the point
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of view. One middle, two, logically security and three of them,
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otherwise, because we owe ourselves to our investors. It has to be economically
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viable and it is one thing that we have to ensure. Yes or yes.
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For that we have been introducing new technologies for years, both electric batteries
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and hydrogen vehicles, which we have already circulating and how you can no other
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way, in this case, renewable fuels. We already made that bet several
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years ago and I will explain to you what our results have been, because
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we understood that in a road passenger transport, in which in an urban environment
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and depending on the operation, it can be urban, metropolitan or long journey,
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depends absolutely on what operation you do is going to be sustainable or not
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to one of those technologies, we had to prove solutions that were tangible and
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that we had in hand as soon as possible. And in this case,
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this case was good, because it was very clear. It was the issue
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of biofuels. We already in the year two thousand twenty- one did the
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first biofuel test in Billoo and were with twelve vehicles, Twelve vehicles in which
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we switched to this biofuel and for five months we were circulating with the fuel.
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Later we have also done so last year in the consortium of reginar of
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transports of Madrid to move from an urban area to a metropolitan area, and
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at this moment we are doing so also in other fleets that we have in
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Granada in the metropolitan area, but also in regional or long- distance vehicles,
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as it can be in Castilla León. That for what, to be
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able to ensure that that technology is viable to our operation and that the tc
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or the total cost of life of the vehicle in the end, what matters
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to us. We do not buy because the licles are cheaper at least form
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a vehicle in the end can fulfill its operation and that cost is equivalent to
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at least the one we have right now with the Diezel. And that is
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key for us in that area, because I would like to say to you
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that in biofuels, in this case it has been a success in that sense,
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in that we have managed to make the operation exactly the same as a
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tenel vehicle, so that is not a minor issue. Operational means you don
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' t have to have more drivers, which means you can operate the same
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time and with other technologically incorporated solutions. Because it must be remembered that we,
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in alsa, have set clear objectives that in two thousand thirty- five
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our entire urban fleet will be zero missions and that in twenty forty, our
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entire long- distance fleet will be zero emissions. In order to get to
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that, we measure in your do escape or measure in the complete cycle are
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key and in this sense, we tell you that we have achieved with this
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technology of moments to see that the operating the same recharge times or times,
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in this case, of reposterrosa the same ten. In this case the issue
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of secure supply, because it is the same infrastructure that you have. And
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then, apart from those vehicles, the ob vehicles don' t have to
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make any modifications with six gold vehicles, right now you' re just getting
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refuelled and you don' t have any other problems. In addition, there
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are no additional maintenance requirements. The vehicle is exactly the same and then we
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have the same performance. They neither improve nor decrease benefits. They are the
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same, with which for the operation of our operation of an operation is an
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element that allows us to transition and a very important thing from this moment to
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a future, which we, in our case, in urban, in some
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case, we are able to transition already in electric vehicles of battery, hydrogen
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vehicles. But that with this technology, in the vehicles that we already have
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in the fleet, that we will not be able to renew in the next
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few years, could already be decanonizing thirty seconds that there is not much more
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left for each one. Ramón will prevail or not. In the end,
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Europeans will either ignore us or listen to renewables. Well, I' m
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convinced of the Spanish saying that water always goes to the river. Then we
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are obliged to serve society and we are going to give it and use the
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means at our disposal. But yes, it is regrettable that we do not
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have a little more momentum for things that we can take. Yeah. There
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is no need to wait for two thousand thirty and children, two thousand thirty
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- five. We can already reduce our emissions of ceo two and be closer
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to neutrality From now on, as I think it has become clear in the
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two speakers the three interventions of Péctor fatreritos seconds to see, I believe I
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have made it quite clear. MiguelÁngeles Es. In the end, the
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three varieties of deficiency are clear. We can maintain people, we can maintain
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productivity, we don' t have faults. We managed in a short step
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to make a major leap in reducing our footprints. He has been able to
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advance and towards hydrogen and a part electrification that we, as an operator,
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see in a step further, because I have to do I went out long
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distance and he has a short mile that daily and I cannot execute, with
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which we are convinced films and our customers also today, that it is the
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fastest step for us and the last ten that have left you ten seconds nothing.
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I am simply adding technological neutrality, please, which is what we need
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as operators to be able to transition and from there, well, because if
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there are aids that are continuous in the coming years, we ask no more
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than that, because I do have fun yes, yes, but no,
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and a point to accompany our customers, the sectors that have to decarbonize also
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with fiscal policy, because they are making an effort to have a combusti and
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to use a 100% renewable fuel that, paradoxically, pays exactly the same
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taxes as if it were a 100 percent fossil fuel And it doesn' t
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make much sense, because in this way we are not encouraging its use.
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Well, there' s that message. It is not Cardinal Ramón, Valdivíctor
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Benito and MiguelÁngel Alonso who has been wanting more. The next programme will
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respond. Thank you all very much. Until the next renewable mobility with Miguel San Martín