Latest / Brian Thomas / Marcell Strbich for Sec of State
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- 0:02Speaker 1: I'm coming to eight oh six I fifty five KERCD
- 0:04Speaker 1: talk station. He's in studio. He's promised not to drop
- 0:08Speaker 1: the S word. He is Marcel Sturbige. He's running for
- 0:12Speaker 1: Secretary of State. We've got a primary coming up here
- 0:13Speaker 1: to Ohio, and there are two people to choose from,
- 0:15Speaker 1: at least according to the Secretary of State's webpage right now,
- 0:19Speaker 1: that will be on the Republican side of the letter.
- 0:20Speaker 1: My guest today Marcel Sturbadge and Robert Sprague. We're going
- 0:23Speaker 1: to find out for Marcel y he is the better choice.
- 0:26Speaker 1: At least he's going to try to convince you of that,
- 0:28Speaker 1: and he promised he will explain himself as opposed to
- 0:31Speaker 1: blowing up and leaving the morning show studio. Welcome Marcel Sturvidge.
- 0:35Speaker 1: It's great having you in the studio.
- 0:38Speaker 2: Hey, good morning, and thanks for having me. And yes,
- 0:40Speaker 2: I will keep it a PC for you in our audience.
- 0:43Speaker 1: Even though you are a highly decorated twenty year Air
- 0:47Speaker 1: Force veteran, Marcel Sturbage probably served his country and I
- 0:50Speaker 1: salute you for that. You can find him online. It's
- 0:54Speaker 1: S T R B I C H. The word for
- 0:58Speaker 1: sturbadge for Ohio dot Com. Jos Strekker posted a link
- 1:01Speaker 1: to that website on my fifty five krecy Morning show.
- 1:03Speaker 1: First and foremost, I know, in terms of your resume,
- 1:07Speaker 1: your Crikland VTA family number one. You have a beautiful family, sir,
- 1:11Speaker 1: and I congratulate you.
- 1:12Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my best part, and that's a motivator for me.
- 1:14Speaker 2: You know, serving twenty years going across the Horn of Africa, Iraq,
- 1:19Speaker 2: Afghanistan and then working my way up to the Pentagon
- 1:21Speaker 2: and handling the upgrade and modernization of our information systems
- 1:25Speaker 2: which we fell behind in terms of our abilities, was
- 1:29Speaker 2: probably my professional peak. And then coming into Ohio, living
- 1:33Speaker 2: here in Montgomery County and seeing where we've come as
- 1:37Speaker 2: a country in the last five years, with people's loss
- 1:40Speaker 2: of confidence and trust in various aspects of government, but
- 1:43Speaker 2: specifically elections was something that caused great concern. And I
- 1:47Speaker 2: had to experience the military's transition from twenty twenty into DEI,
- 1:51Speaker 2: which I pushed back against medical mandates, and that really
- 1:55Speaker 2: caused me to get active politically. And I realized in
- 1:58Speaker 2: coming to Ohio that there are many aspects of our
- 2:01Speaker 2: election systems that are loose that we have to fix.
- 2:04Speaker 2: And I'm not running to build a political career. I'm
- 2:06Speaker 2: not running for a title. I don't need that. I'm
- 2:08Speaker 2: a dad, I'm a retired lieutenant colonel. I am running
- 2:11Speaker 2: to fix problems in election systems and to address government
- 2:15Speaker 2: benefits fraud programs, because the Secretary of State could actually
- 2:18Speaker 2: do something about that. If we can get somebody that
- 2:20Speaker 2: isn't just rotating seats.
- 2:22Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like you want to hit the ground running.
- 2:23Speaker 1: I'm looking at your website again, sturbage for Ohio. Under
- 2:26Speaker 1: your priorities, they are one day one vote number one
- 2:30Speaker 1: on the list voter ID required to register and vote
- 2:32Speaker 1: in the state of Ohio under the Ohio Election Integrity
- 2:35Speaker 1: Bill of Rights that you are you are pushing, so
- 2:38Speaker 1: explain that curse timing couldn't be better given the Save
- 2:41Speaker 1: Act being discussed in Congress, And might that impact the
- 2:45Speaker 1: bill that you're pushing for here in a lot.
- 2:47Speaker 2: Well, certainly Congress has shown over the past thirty years
- 2:49Speaker 2: that they're incapable of addressing issues with elections, and I
- 2:52Speaker 2: won't put I wouldn't put it on the US Senate
- 2:54Speaker 2: to address this. This is like going two times in
- 2:56Speaker 2: a row, you hit your head against the wall same
- 2:58Speaker 2: time expecting a different results. But in Ohio, we don't
- 3:01Speaker 2: have to have that issue. See, we have a supermajority
- 3:03Speaker 2: legislature and we have the ability of veto proof to
- 3:07Speaker 2: do these things. What we need is some political will.
- 3:09Speaker 2: We need a political outsider like myself instead. What's happening
- 3:12Speaker 2: is we consistently see these career politicians rotating who've been
- 3:16Speaker 2: in the system, who trade favors for endorsements, and they
- 3:19Speaker 2: haven't They've led to unimpressive results week leadership. And that's
- 3:23Speaker 2: why you know we're within ninety days of this primary election.
- 3:27Speaker 2: I really want those of you who are tired of
- 3:29Speaker 2: that system to choose somebody who has something to offer. Again,
- 3:33Speaker 2: I have the skill sets, I have the background with
- 3:36Speaker 2: national security. I understand that we have to protect these systems,
- 3:39Speaker 2: and I really just want to introduce a system where
- 3:41Speaker 2: we verify eligibility of people before we put them on
- 3:44Speaker 2: the voter rolls. And that is something that can be
- 3:48Speaker 2: done within short order, and the Secretary of State can
- 3:51Speaker 2: do that, and that's how we ensure that our vote
- 3:53Speaker 2: is protected. Yes, one day, one vote, So let's vote
- 3:56Speaker 2: in person, same day, and for those who can't make
- 3:59Speaker 2: it to the poll location, let's have a qualified reason.
- 4:02Speaker 2: But that's acceptable. And if we come up with that
- 4:05Speaker 2: type of system, and then we also flush out third
- 4:07Speaker 2: party voter groups who don't have business being involved in
- 4:10Speaker 2: our elections when it comes to handling ballots and registration
- 4:13Speaker 2: for ballot harvesting, then I think we'll get back to
- 4:16Speaker 2: a point of trust and confidence.
- 4:17Speaker 1: Indeed, and the other component of this which has been
- 4:20Speaker 1: lurking beneath the surface of this election integrity discussion. You
- 4:23Speaker 1: look at what is it Fulton County, Georgia, where they're
- 4:25Speaker 1: finding all kinds of problems in connection with the electronic
- 4:29Speaker 1: voting machines. The records don't reflect consistency. The more votes
- 4:32Speaker 1: came in, then we're counted, or more we're counted than
- 4:34Speaker 1: came in, and then the specter of g are our
- 4:38Speaker 1: elections being changed with the electronic voting machines. You suggest,
- 4:42Speaker 1: as a matter of your platform, let's just get rid
- 4:44Speaker 1: of them.
- 4:45Speaker 2: Yeah, what you know with respect to that, if you're
- 4:48Speaker 2: not audio visually impaired, why can't you just fill out
- 4:51Speaker 2: a pre printed, handmark paper ballot. It costs tens of
- 4:54Speaker 2: millions of dollars less than Ohio. You can put a
- 4:56Speaker 2: watermark on it that's anti tamper proof, and that's really
- 5:00Speaker 2: the main way for us to have oversight and security
- 5:03Speaker 2: over the balance themselves. So this is something that a
- 5:06Speaker 2: lot of people have not had access to these voting
- 5:09Speaker 2: systems for many years. We should have given third party,
- 5:11Speaker 2: independent security assessors the opportunity to look at those but
- 5:15Speaker 2: you know, the voting system vendors have been proprietary, meaning
- 5:18Speaker 2: they don't allow others to access those systems.
- 5:20Speaker 1: You can't see the code, right, I mean, how can
- 5:23Speaker 1: you assure election integrity if they want allow you to
- 5:25Speaker 1: review the code that goes into tabulating the votes. That
- 5:28Speaker 1: should be a matter of contractual agreement. If you are
- 5:32Speaker 1: going to be the provider of systems, you must subject
- 5:35Speaker 1: to confidential out this contract provides you you must provide
- 5:39Speaker 1: state authorities with the code exactly.
- 5:41Speaker 2: Look in Venezuela, they created systems. Going back twenty years,
- 5:44Speaker 2: we understood that Chavez regime used electronic management software to
- 5:47Speaker 2: flip votes. Those systems and many of them were sold
- 5:50Speaker 2: outside of Venezuela. Those folks that created that system came
- 5:54Speaker 2: to the United States, they incorporated their businesses. These are
- 5:58Speaker 2: systems that are from twenty years ago. They don't they
- 6:00Speaker 2: don't currently meet security controls of twenty twenty five, the
- 6:05Speaker 2: time and place that we now live in and the
- 6:08Speaker 2: level of threat that we face. So I don't focus
- 6:10Speaker 2: too much on the machines. To be honest with you,
- 6:12Speaker 2: there's an aspect of efficiency when it comes to hand
- 6:16Speaker 2: with not handcounting. I should say the vote.
- 6:18Speaker 1: Counting clearly, yeah, and that's faster.
- 6:20Speaker 2: It's faster, right, And so people have tried to distort
- 6:23Speaker 2: and say my position is I want to impose a
- 6:25Speaker 2: handcout method on all eighty eight counties. And this is
- 6:27Speaker 2: not true. That's just what my opponent who's desperate and
- 6:30Speaker 2: who's taking my positions now because he's losing in this race.
- 6:33Speaker 2: I'm up eight points, that's unheard of. I took a
- 6:36Speaker 2: poll with eight hundred nineteen likely registered primary voters. I'm
- 6:39Speaker 2: doing that with less money because my method, my message,
- 6:42Speaker 2: excuse me, is authentic, okay, And you can't manufacture authenticity
- 6:46Speaker 2: in politics. So and I'm dynamic, and that is why
- 6:49Speaker 2: I am the most capable candidate. And we should start
- 6:52Speaker 2: electing people on capability, not based on patronage.
- 6:56Speaker 1: Like that message very much more. Sol sturbage sturbage for
- 7:00Speaker 1: Ohio dot com. Have you had interactions with the party
- 7:04Speaker 1: elites if I can refer to them as as such.
- 7:07Speaker 2: I always interact with a variety of folks in that arena.
- 7:12Speaker 2: What I would say is, you know, I've had so
- 7:14Speaker 2: much success in this race that they that recently I
- 7:16Speaker 2: received a call from a Central Committee member asking if
- 7:19Speaker 2: I wanted to take a position within Secretary of State.
- 7:22Speaker 2: I was interested in that that a conversation could be
- 7:25Speaker 2: had with key officials in the party and if I
- 7:27Speaker 2: would be willing to suspend this campaign. And I just
- 7:30Speaker 2: thought that is not the will of the people. And
- 7:34Speaker 2: I was just detested by the idea, and overall I
- 7:37Speaker 2: spoke out about it on social media. And it's very
- 7:40Speaker 2: important that people do not take those kind of deals
- 7:43Speaker 2: if they're offered, because this isn't about I'm not for sale,
- 7:47Speaker 2: that's the bottom line.
- 7:48Speaker 1: Oh that is a strong message in it of itself.
- 7:50Speaker 1: Is this like one of the like the on the
- 7:52Speaker 1: waterfront conversation, It's not your night, Marcel. You know you
- 7:55Speaker 1: got to take a dive for the broader team and
- 7:57Speaker 1: for the effort is that one of those deals.
- 7:59Speaker 2: I think some people people think that way, Brian. I think,
- 8:02Speaker 2: you know, people get used to and have relationships in politics.
- 8:06Speaker 2: I'm learning this for the first time. You know, I
- 8:07Speaker 2: didn't go into this gullible. You ever wonder why people
- 8:09Speaker 2: don't go in It's because they got to navigate these
- 8:12Speaker 2: type of things. And yeah, and it's not always. It's
- 8:15Speaker 2: not like a job interview, You're going to go work
- 8:17Speaker 2: for Procter and Gamble, you know, it's you know, where
- 8:19Speaker 2: have you worked? What have you done? It has more
- 8:21Speaker 2: to do with have you paid your dues? I paid
- 8:24Speaker 2: my dues to my country, okay, and I've seen a
- 8:26Speaker 2: heck of a lot in twenty years. And so I'm
- 8:29Speaker 2: doing this so I can give Ohio real leadership, selfless leadership,
- 8:34Speaker 2: not about personal advancement, and that I think is a
- 8:37Speaker 2: unique and rare quality when somebody steps up to do that.
- 8:40Speaker 2: And that's why this is that's why we're having marked
- 8:44Speaker 2: success and I think we're going to win on the
- 8:45Speaker 2: primary May fifth, twenty twenty six, if Ohio voters want
- 8:48Speaker 2: to see this change.
- 8:49Speaker 1: Well, lending significant credibility to your philosophy and your your
- 8:54Speaker 1: motivations to run you spent twenty years in America's military.
- 8:57Speaker 1: You didn't sign up for a big six figure job,
- 9:00Speaker 1: that paying job. You signed up to protect America from
- 9:02Speaker 1: its enemies, both domestic and foreign, and you served in combat,
- 9:06Speaker 1: and you went on countless missions, and you are highly decorated.
- 9:09Speaker 1: This is just it seems to me. And you can
- 9:11Speaker 1: tell me I'm wrong, but it seems logical that running
- 9:14Speaker 1: for high office is an extension of your commitment to
- 9:16Speaker 1: the people.
- 9:17Speaker 2: I always felt like, if you're going to be in
- 9:19Speaker 2: any form of elected office or appointed, it has to
- 9:22Speaker 2: be selfless, right, People expect more of you in that regard.
- 9:26Speaker 2: So this is our ethos in the military. We have
- 9:28Speaker 2: this ethos of selflessness. That's why we're willing to give
- 9:32Speaker 2: up our lives if need be, and that's why I
- 9:34Speaker 2: think society does recognize that. And I'm grateful when I
- 9:37Speaker 2: do go around and people thank me for that, But
- 9:41Speaker 2: I also don't want that to be just what defines me.
- 9:44Speaker 2: We're all defined, Brian on purpose and our task, and
- 9:47Speaker 2: we all have to understand that in life we have
- 9:50Speaker 2: to give back. The other generations are waiting for leaders
- 9:52Speaker 2: to step up. I'm forty four years old, almost so
- 9:55Speaker 2: I've got the youth, I've got the energy. I've gone
- 9:57Speaker 2: to fifty different counties. I've enlisted hundred of volunteers. If
- 10:00Speaker 2: you look at the twenty twenty sixth election, Republicans have
- 10:03Speaker 2: an enthusiasm deficit. The reason to have an enthusiasm deficit
- 10:07Speaker 2: is because they're recycling career, empty suit politicians. And now
- 10:10Speaker 2: they need somebody who doesn't have that mindset, who's engaging
- 10:13Speaker 2: with the people and is not afraid to sling it
- 10:16Speaker 2: out there and take the questions and be dynamic. And
- 10:19Speaker 2: that's why this is this is going to work out
- 10:22Speaker 2: in the end.
- 10:23Speaker 1: I can hear several of my regular callers going, yeah,
- 10:26Speaker 1: that's exactly right. Eight sixteen Right now more with Marcel
- 10:29Speaker 1: Sturbridge Sturbadge for Ohio dot Com. Link on the blog
- 10:32Speaker 1: page fifty five krcity dot com. Be back after these
- 10:34Speaker 1: brief words here see the talk station. It's eight twenty
- 10:41Speaker 1: if fifty five KRCIT talks station fashionating conversation with veteran
- 10:45Speaker 1: and of course, more importantly Secretary of State Canada Marcel Sturbage. Again,
- 10:49Speaker 1: it's Sturbadge st r B I c H four Ohio
- 10:52Speaker 1: dot Com and off the air, you were really talking
- 10:54Speaker 1: about the importance of the Secretary of State's business portfolio.
- 10:58Speaker 1: And as Secretary of State, you are responsible for management
- 11:01Speaker 1: a lot of businesses. And what is the importance you
- 11:04Speaker 1: want to stress for the listening audience and potential voters
- 11:06Speaker 1: for you, Marse, every year.
- 11:08Speaker 2: Over one hundred thousand businesses are formed in Ohio and
- 11:10Speaker 2: every single business has to be registered, and so the
- 11:12Speaker 2: Secretary of State plays a critical role in facilitating business registration.
- 11:16Speaker 2: It's done online and it's gained even more notoriety or
- 11:20Speaker 2: importance because, as we've learned in the last year, a
- 11:22Speaker 2: number of businesses have been formed in the state of
- 11:24Speaker 2: Ohio that have tagged onto government benefits programs, whether that
- 11:29Speaker 2: be daycare, home health, trucker services. And we have found
- 11:33Speaker 2: that that has become a venue, unfortunately for levels of
- 11:37Speaker 2: fraudulent activities.
- 11:38Speaker 1: See Minnesota, yes, e Columbus yes, see Cincinnati.
- 11:43Speaker 2: And so what has to happen and what I propose
- 11:45Speaker 2: as a Secretary of State is to utilize the information
- 11:48Speaker 2: systems that involve registering these businesses and create a process
- 11:54Speaker 2: and identify criteria for us to evaluate what could be
- 11:59Speaker 2: questionable businesses. So you can't prevent a business from being
- 12:01Speaker 2: formed in Ohio. But what you could do is you
- 12:04Speaker 2: can conduct a review in conjunction with the Public Integrity Division,
- 12:08Speaker 2: and you can assess whether some of these businesses are
- 12:11Speaker 2: in some former manner, improperly conducting themselves, or in some
- 12:16Speaker 2: criminal manner. So what needs to happen in the state
- 12:19Speaker 2: of Ohio and what I would like to play a
- 12:20Speaker 2: role in helping lead if elected Secretary of State in
- 12:23Speaker 2: the primary here is coming up May fifth, twenty twenty six,
- 12:26Speaker 2: is I would like us task force to be stood up.
- 12:29Speaker 2: I participate in a task force in the Department of
- 12:31Speaker 2: Defense in the Capital Region that involved counterteror and counterthreat finance.
- 12:36Speaker 2: We need something similar where the governor establishes a task force,
- 12:39Speaker 2: the Secretary of State uses the Public Integrity Division identifies
- 12:42Speaker 2: questionable activity, the Attorney General uses the Medicare Control Fraud Unit,
- 12:46Speaker 2: the one hundred or so investigators that they have, the
- 12:49Speaker 2: auditor uses the statutes and the means that are done
- 12:52Speaker 2: in conjunction with that Attorney General. And take for example,
- 12:54Speaker 2: a cabinet agency like the Department of Youth and Children,
- 12:57Speaker 2: which is responsible for that licensing and judicating and inspecting
- 13:02Speaker 2: some of these daycares for example. We all need to
- 13:05Speaker 2: work as one because, as we know Brian, individual government
- 13:08Speaker 2: bureaucracies have limited in specific authorities and when things take
- 13:12Speaker 2: place that are fraudulent, they usually look at the other
- 13:14Speaker 2: department and they say, oh, but that's yours. And the
- 13:17Speaker 2: reality is they all have about ten percent of the puzzle.
- 13:20Speaker 2: And so what needs to happen is in conjunction. They
- 13:22Speaker 2: all need to work as one. And if we don't
- 13:24Speaker 2: stand up a joint interagency task force, call it whatever
- 13:26Speaker 2: you want, like ICE is doing these task forces across
- 13:29Speaker 2: the country, then we will never get at this problem
- 13:32Speaker 2: and we will continue to be exploited to the tunes
- 13:34Speaker 2: of billions of dollars.
- 13:35Speaker 1: That is brilliant right there, marcel I got to applaud
- 13:37Speaker 1: you for that concept. Gee, what an interesting and so
- 13:40Speaker 1: ridiculous concept. Working together, shared services of government coordinating together
- 13:45Speaker 1: for one ultimate end, which is the benefit of the constituents. Wow.
- 13:50Speaker 1: And then you got a governor like the Wan who says, well,
- 13:52Speaker 1: this is just part of doing business, this whole fraud thing,
- 13:55Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, if you got a government program, well
- 13:57Speaker 1: it's just gonna happen. It doesn't have to happen. Official
- 14:00Speaker 1: intelligence at work.
- 14:01Speaker 2: Here.
- 14:01Speaker 1: We can cross reference numbers and match those security numbers
- 14:03Speaker 1: and find out who's dead and the live. It isn't
- 14:05Speaker 1: that challenging these days. I would imagine.
- 14:08Speaker 2: Look, if a YouTube influencer can get out however many millions,
- 14:12Speaker 2: tens of millions of views and go out there and
- 14:14Speaker 2: put eyeballs on. Are you telling me that multi million
- 14:17Speaker 2: or multi billion dollar government agencies can't put their heads together.
- 14:20Speaker 2: You know what it takes. It takes a political outsider
- 14:23Speaker 2: like me, somebody who's done this as a mission already
- 14:26Speaker 2: and has the knowledge of how to initiate this to
- 14:28Speaker 2: be able to be given the authority in the team
- 14:31Speaker 2: to do it. I know how to lead teams. I've
- 14:33Speaker 2: been an organizational leader both in peacetime and war. I've
- 14:37Speaker 2: had tactical, operational, strategic assignments. That's why I signed up.
- 14:41Speaker 2: That's why I'm asking you to deploy me and assign
- 14:43Speaker 2: me to Columbus for this task of four years as
- 14:45Speaker 2: the next Secretary of State to get at the problem
- 14:47Speaker 2: of government benefits fraud, To get at the problem of
- 14:50Speaker 2: voter registration fraud, for example, in Hamilton County, we need
- 14:53Speaker 2: some something to move quickly on this, otherwise people will
- 14:57Speaker 2: continue to drift.
- 14:58Speaker 1: Strong leadership is what I'm here in, Marcel. It sounds great.
- 15:01Speaker 1: That's why maybe need a military guy. Someone is strong leadership,
- 15:04Speaker 1: who's done this before in different capacities, mind you, but
- 15:07Speaker 1: can herd the cats that are Columbus in Columbus right now? Marcel,
- 15:11Speaker 1: that's what we need. Someone who's I have lamented now
- 15:14Speaker 1: forever and everybody knows what's coming. Why is Columbus so
- 15:17Speaker 1: damn dysfunctional when it's run almost exclusively by Republicans? Do
- 15:20Speaker 1: you think they be unified in mission, unified in goal well,
- 15:23Speaker 1: oil machine, limited government, fiscal responsibility, free markets, it's all
- 15:27Speaker 1: normal and regular. Yet they fight amongst themselves constantly, Marcel,
- 15:31Speaker 1: I don't get it.
- 15:31Speaker 2: It's a quality and caliber of the people. If they're
- 15:34Speaker 2: there for personal advancement, if they're there to somehow coordinate
- 15:38Speaker 2: one another, then the mentality is they don't want to
- 15:40Speaker 2: call each other out because they're always thinking, well, after
- 15:43Speaker 2: this assignment, where am I going to go? Can I
- 15:45Speaker 2: make it to the governor, Can I make it to
- 15:46Speaker 2: the US Senate. So that's the inherent issue that I see.
- 15:49Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if you put an R or a
- 15:50Speaker 2: D or an L next to them. Those are just labels.
- 15:54Speaker 2: And you know, every time we get to the general
- 15:56Speaker 2: it's like, don't vote for the other side because the
- 15:57Speaker 2: other side's more evil. People are tired of that, are
- 16:00Speaker 2: They just want to know, do you have the capability,
- 16:02Speaker 2: do you have the will? What are you saying you're
- 16:04Speaker 2: gonna do? And are you gonna do what you're gonna say?
- 16:06Speaker 2: And that's why I think some are are cautious about
- 16:08Speaker 2: this assent that we're having success in this campaign, because
- 16:11Speaker 2: I think they believe Brian. They know I'm gonna do
- 16:13Speaker 2: what I say I'm gonna do, and that's a terrifying
- 16:16Speaker 2: prospect if you believe in status quo. Right, So if
- 16:18Speaker 2: that's a positive disruption and that's a positive change, so
- 16:22Speaker 2: be it. I'm all for that, and I think that
- 16:24Speaker 2: the vast majority of seven point eight million registered Ohio
- 16:28Speaker 2: voters are all for it. And I think I'm going
- 16:30Speaker 2: to get votes well beyond the Republicans because this is
- 16:32Speaker 2: about common sense in Ohioans or common sense voters.
- 16:35Speaker 1: Will you sound like a person who'd be more than
- 16:36Speaker 1: willing to call out and hold people accountable regardless of
- 16:39Speaker 1: political stripe, and perhaps that makes them nervous.
- 16:41Speaker 2: Marcel correct, I'm not a yes man, and I don't
- 16:45Speaker 2: surround myself with yes men. I actually like critical thinkers.
- 16:47Speaker 2: And the way you build great teams is you build
- 16:49Speaker 2: smarter people than you and you put them in there.
- 16:54Speaker 1: Well. Green light from Brian Thomas, Marcel brilliant, I just
- 16:57Speaker 1: really thoroughly enjoyed your very, very inn warmed and thoughtful
- 17:00Speaker 1: analysis of your role as Secretary of State,