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Normally Podcast: Mamdani’s Socialist Surge, Chicago’s ‘Transfemicide’ Crisis & Elon Musk Under Fire · Normally

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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, we are back on Normally, the show with
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Speaker 1: normalist takes for when the news gets weird. I am
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Speaker 1: Mary Catherine Ham.
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Speaker 2: I'm Carol Markowitz. How are you, Mary Catherine.
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Speaker 1: I am doing great, you know, spending some time as
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Speaker 1: always teaching my kids about free market economics and how
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Speaker 1: socialism is bad. Since you know so we're going to
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Speaker 1: talk about today, it's a good time for that.
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Speaker 3: It really is a good time for that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know, we'll get into it, but teaching
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Speaker 2: your kids about it is a very solid thing that
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Speaker 2: you could do to fight communism, and we're very much
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Speaker 2: in favor of that here on Normally.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, like, oh, how did we get these delicious peaches.
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Speaker 1: Let's have a discussion about their availability unto us and
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Speaker 1: how they were brought to this exact store for a
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Speaker 1: reasonable amount of money, and we can then consume them
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Speaker 1: and enjoy them exactly.
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Speaker 2: I sent my family chat this tweet by Charles Murray
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Speaker 2: yesterday that said my daughter's friend in grad school, upon
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Speaker 2: being asked by a member of her dissertation committee why
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Speaker 2: she didn't include a Marxist perspective, said, I grew up
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Speaker 2: in the Soviet Union. I don't practice recreational Marxism. My
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Speaker 2: teen daughter really enjoyed that, and I felt, I love
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Speaker 2: that doing something right.
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Speaker 1: Yes, those who do include the Marxist perspective. You know,
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Speaker 1: the old axiom applies, which is you've got to be
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Speaker 1: really smart to be that dumb. So so many of
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Speaker 1: these ideas are like, yeah, you have several grad degrees.
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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about these terrible ideas that are.
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Speaker 3: On the march.
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Speaker 2: Really, you know, I hate that the news today is
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Speaker 2: about Jews or Israel because this is all so besides
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Speaker 2: the point to me, like, I get it, I believe me.
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Speaker 2: I'm worried about it into Semitism. I've been worried about
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Speaker 2: it into Semitism. I knew New York was heading down
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Speaker 2: this like anti Jewish path for a while. You know,
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Speaker 2: we quit our synagogue in twenty nineteen because they weren't
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Speaker 2: taking it into Semintism seriously in Brooklyn.
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Speaker 3: I get it.
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Speaker 2: But the story here really is that Communists took a
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Speaker 2: lot of seats yesterday in New York and that this
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Speaker 2: is a real big deal because they aren't city council
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Speaker 2: seats and they aren't state Senate seats. Although they got
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Speaker 2: that too. These are Congress seats and it's kind of
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Speaker 2: scary to see that this is where we're going from
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Speaker 2: an America perspective, leaving Jews and Israel completely out of it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the slate backed by Zoron Mamdani, who look,
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Speaker 1: he's not for me, but he is talented and he
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Speaker 1: knows where his political power lies and he knows where
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Speaker 1: to use it clearly and how to wield it. Because
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Speaker 1: he had three out of three in challenging in primaries.
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Speaker 2: Now not the only thing I would just say, one
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Speaker 2: little thing about that is that there were other Democratic
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Speaker 2: Socialists running and he did not endorse them because they
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Speaker 2: were unlikely to win. So, Yes, while I give him
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Speaker 2: a ton of political credit for playing the game very
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Speaker 2: very well, there were other candidates that he didn't touch
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Speaker 2: because he didn't want to have any losers on the board. Yesterday,
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Speaker 2: like Richie Torres won despite a challenge from the left
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Speaker 2: from this guy, Michael Blake. Macdonnie didn't endorse Blake even
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Speaker 2: though their issues aligned completely.
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Speaker 3: So just putting that out there, Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Like being a good picker is part of the you
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Speaker 1: get right. Now. What's disappointing is that the good picking
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Speaker 1: included Darieliza a Vila Chevaler, who is a thirty two
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Speaker 1: year old I think basically unemployed in Camp Mint Star.
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Speaker 2: That sounds very like what Communi's like to me.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, who has tweeted that she her hands were dirty
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Speaker 1: and so she wiped them on an American flag. Who
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Speaker 1: has said that she's a prison abolitionist and murderers should
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Speaker 1: not be in jail, that all deportations are bad. So like,
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Speaker 1: I'm very glad that Richie Torres did well here. Some
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Speaker 1: have pointed out that that's first of all, he works
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Speaker 1: really hard and he's a good communicator, and he talks
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Speaker 1: to people in his district. Second of all, and I
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Speaker 1: think this is important. Someone pointed out his district is
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Speaker 1: not as gentrified as some of these other ones.
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Speaker 3: That's part of it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And a really important part of the DSA story
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Speaker 1: that they don't want to tell because they're a quote
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Speaker 1: working class party, is that they're not a working class party.
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Speaker 3: There's working class.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not a working class party. And in fact,
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Speaker 1: what they do attract are a lot of people with
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Speaker 1: a lot of graduate degrees who are somewhat either stagnant
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Speaker 1: or economically stagnant or downwardly mo and they're all often
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Speaker 1: transplants to the city and they're gingrifying white people, is
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Speaker 1: what they are. Yeah, Yeah, and that is the story
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Speaker 1: of how they come to power.
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Speaker 3: That's absolutely correct.
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Speaker 2: And it's interesting because is the black voter base going
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Speaker 2: to start caring about this, or like the Jewish voter base,
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Speaker 2: are they going to sit by and be taken over?
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Speaker 2: And you know, therein lies the question of the next
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Speaker 2: few years in New York. At least Defonic had this
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Speaker 2: great sweet which echoes what I was trying to say
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Speaker 2: about It's not just about Jews. Gotham has fallen. The
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Speaker 2: mass exodus out of the New York, out of New
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Speaker 2: York will continue a pace I call it the Blue Exodus.
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Speaker 2: Last night's sweep of Marxist socialist candidates will further destroy
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Speaker 2: New York City. The violent anti Semitism and the socialist
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Speaker 2: campaigns is dangerous not only to Jews but to every
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Speaker 2: American because they are attacking the West. If they continue
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Speaker 2: to win, the American dream and Western civilization will fall
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Speaker 2: wake up. That's the thing is that I hate that
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Speaker 2: the story is somewhat centered on Jews, only because it
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Speaker 2: is a threat to the whole country. Like if you're
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Speaker 2: watching this from you know, a red state and you're
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Speaker 2: listening to this and you're thinking, like, this is not
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Speaker 2: something that bothers me. Bad ideas spread very quickly. This
6:19
Speaker 2: was something that would have been impossible in New York
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Speaker 2: just a few years ago. I mean, Mike Bloomberg won
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Speaker 2: three terms in New York City running on extremely issues
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Speaker 2: that would be viewed as right wing now, which were
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Speaker 2: extremely moderated the time, you know, cutting down on crime,
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Speaker 2: quality of life stuff, and that is just so impossible
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Speaker 2: to imagine happening in New York right now.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a very different coalition, as you know, like
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Speaker 1: Eric Adams's coalition, very different than Mom Donnie's coalition. Billy
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Speaker 1: Binyon of Reason notes a twenty twenty one survey found
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Speaker 1: that the DSA was eighty five percent white, a huge
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Speaker 1: chunk makes six figures, and almost everyone has a college degree.
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Speaker 1: Made up of elite progressives trying to speak for poor
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Speaker 1: minorities who mostly don't want what they're selling and can
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Speaker 1: avoid it right via family money or subsidies or whatever
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Speaker 1: it is that they can do to escape it. But certainly,
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Speaker 1: you know, it is kind of amazing to watch Mom Dannie,
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Speaker 1: the mayor of New York, just be like, I don't
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Speaker 1: like these incumbents, and therefore I shall take them out
7:27
Speaker 1: now in all plays. You going to do this too,
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Speaker 1: And as I texted you last time, I was like, man,
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Speaker 1: at least when Trump bosses the party around, he's the president,
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Speaker 1: you know, like this, he's not the mayor of a
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Speaker 1: major city.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 1: I understand New York is a power center for both
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Speaker 1: of these sections of the Democratic Party, so they're fighting
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Speaker 1: themselves at fighting each other on these grounds. But I
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Speaker 1: think it look a lot of people are going to
7:53
Speaker 1: talk about Daria Aliza a lot on the right, especially
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Speaker 1: because she is a perf example of the kind of
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Speaker 1: person that a Mom Dannie is pushing. She has less
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Speaker 1: charisma than he does, she's not as good at selling
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Speaker 1: all of this, a little bit ham handed about it,
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Speaker 1: and oh man, could there be a more perfect foil
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Speaker 1: for Republicans who want to say, look at these weirdos,
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Speaker 1: look at these weirdos. You do not want to live
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Speaker 1: in a social society, and you do not want to
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Speaker 1: live in twenty twenty over again? Do you right?
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Speaker 2: Right? But my concern about that is that there's going
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Speaker 2: to be Democrats who understand that, and we'll start playing
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Speaker 2: into the opposite and be like, I'm not like these weirdos.
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Speaker 2: I'm totally different than these weirdos, and then when it
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Speaker 2: comes down to it, they're not. Like when you look
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Speaker 2: at the two candidates, like Brad Lander who beat Dan
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Speaker 2: Goldman last night, what was really the difference between them,
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Speaker 2: Like until recently Brad Lander was calling himself a Zionist,
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Speaker 2: So take that off the table. That Dan Goldman got
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Speaker 2: eight pac money is such a side note. Dan Goldman
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Speaker 2: super wealthy and was mostly funding himself. In fact, I
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Speaker 2: think it actually very overlooked that Dan Goldman is very
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Speaker 2: rich and Brad Lander is only like sort of rich,
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Speaker 2: and very rich is out right now, especially among the left,
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Speaker 2: So I think that could have been another kind of
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Speaker 2: sign of this. But really they had all the same policies,
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Speaker 2: but Brad Lander was considered suitably left for the DSA
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Speaker 2: and Dan Goldman wasn't. And so you know, I'm just
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Speaker 2: worried that Democrats will play this as needed. I mean,
9:34
Speaker 2: we saw this obviously with Abagail Spamberger in Virginia, and
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Speaker 2: like other places we see what we're seeing it with
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Speaker 2: tel Errico and Texas sort of even Grand Platner in Maine.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he's not running as a moderator or anything,
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Speaker 2: but he's being portrayed as this every man. I think
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Speaker 2: they'll just say whatever they have to say to win.
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Speaker 1: There is an interesting fight going on, though, and it
9:53
Speaker 1: is fun to have to watch, to watch them have
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Speaker 1: to fight in the way that we've had these skirmishes
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Speaker 1: in the past. Some are comparing it to the Tea Party,
10:01
Speaker 1: and I think that's fairly apt, aside from the fact that,
10:04
Speaker 1: like the Tea Party, candidates don't hate America, so we
10:06
Speaker 1: had that going for us. Like that's the thing about
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Speaker 1: righty populism, no matter how uncouth whoever thinks it is,
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Speaker 1: it is more close to an average red blooded American
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Speaker 1: voter than lefty socialist populism. Right Letitia James has this
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Speaker 1: to sayid I know she's talking about it about Mom.
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Speaker 1: Donnie's endorsed candidates. So some of the candidates that he
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Speaker 1: has supported are individuals who do not understand the politics
10:34
Speaker 1: of New York City, the cultural differences from district to district,
10:37
Speaker 1: who have not been part of the history and the
10:39
Speaker 1: struggle of some of these districts and are relatively new
10:42
Speaker 1: to the body politic. All of us are a little
10:44
Speaker 1: frustrated with Democratic Party, but you don't blow it up.
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Speaker 1: That's what MAGA has done. Jamie Harrison, former head of
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Speaker 1: the DNC, who I think like basically didn't do anything
10:54
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty outside of his home. He was very
10:56
Speaker 1: covid cautious, which is not great for campaigning. He said
11:00
Speaker 1: that people who don't want to be part of this
11:02
Speaker 1: party and express animasity toward it should not be running
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Speaker 1: as part of the party. And it's like, I mean
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Speaker 1: that ship kind of sailed with Bernie Sanders. My dude's
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Speaker 1: like right.
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Speaker 2: A while ago now, and in fact, yesterday when Bradlander won,
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Speaker 2: he went right after Fetterman and said that Fetterman has
11:18
Speaker 2: to stop criticizing Democrats. Meanwhile, brad Lander ran against the
11:23
Speaker 2: sitting Democrats. Yeah, primary and Democrats is okay, but criticizing
11:28
Speaker 2: that is not okay.
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Speaker 1: Not okay. Some have noted that AOC did not she's
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Speaker 1: not endorsing in these intra party's moderate too, Like, yeah, no,
11:41
Speaker 1: that's what I that feel, where AOC is the moderate,
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Speaker 1: Like yes, but I think she has a more of
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Speaker 1: a mind toward national politics than Mam Donnie does because
11:52
Speaker 1: mom Donnie is in New York and Mam Donnie is
11:55
Speaker 1: a uh not a natural born citizen, so he can't
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Speaker 1: be president. Although there are tweets now that are saying like, hafit,
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Speaker 1: let's just run him, just run.
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Speaker 2: Him, right, So that's change it for him, Like maybe
12:07
Speaker 2: not or not change it.
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Speaker 1: They might just be like, we'll run him and see
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Speaker 1: what happens. But yeah, I think it's discouraging. I think,
12:17
Speaker 1: you know, several generations of economic and civic literacy was
12:20
Speaker 1: a bad idea, and I need everyone's Joe Rogan right
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Speaker 1: and left to just be Milton Friedman, Like that's that's
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Speaker 1: what I need.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they just it's it's hard to convey to people
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Speaker 2: what this means long term. I don't know, Like I
12:39
Speaker 2: have friends in New York whore like I'm worried, but
12:41
Speaker 2: I'm not entirely sure why. Like you know that that's
12:45
Speaker 2: that's an issue that people don't understand that this is
12:48
Speaker 2: how communists take over seat by seat and things get
12:53
Speaker 2: bad very quickly. I think we're going to see this
12:56
Speaker 2: even in you know, just Mumdanni's mayoral where he immediately
13:02
Speaker 2: went after Ken Griffin and then had to walk it
13:06
Speaker 2: back and then Kathy hokls like please billionaires come back. Like,
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Speaker 2: at some point the rubber hits the road and they
13:12
Speaker 2: have to figure out how economics works and I don't
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Speaker 2: want to be there when they do.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well, to some extent, people are just gonna if I
13:21
Speaker 1: had assets there, I would be wanting to get them
13:23
Speaker 1: far away from these people. So some of that is
13:26
Speaker 1: just going to leave town. Miami is all like.
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Speaker 2: Hi guys, all the teams about Miami real estate agents like.
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Speaker 1: Just living it up right now. But my concern is
13:38
Speaker 1: the long term vision is not just to like, you know,
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Speaker 1: confiscate wealth and do and take over the party in
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Speaker 1: our two party system, But once Democrats have a trifecta,
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Speaker 1: the move is going to be bail out anyone who's
13:52
Speaker 1: screwed themselves over so badly that they don't have any
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Speaker 1: more wealth left in their cities. Like that's that's the idea. Oh, Illinois, California,
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Speaker 1: New York just can't.
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Speaker 3: Let that happen.
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Speaker 2: And you know, it's interesting because there's this movement on
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Speaker 2: the right and so this is where we have to
14:09
Speaker 2: kind of talk about Israel a little bit, where there
14:12
Speaker 2: are right wingers who are trying to unite with the
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Speaker 2: left because they both hate Israel and they both have
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Speaker 2: issues with Jews, and they're going to overlook all this
14:23
Speaker 2: other stuff and it's going to really hit us all
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Speaker 2: so hard.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is. I think it's fair to say
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Speaker 1: openly that that position and anti Semitism are animating forces
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Speaker 1: in the rise of these candidates. Can we play a
14:41
Speaker 1: little bit of Hassan Piker, who's sort of the pied piker,
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Speaker 1: you one might say, to the socialist candidates and did
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Speaker 1: a lot of endorsing and had a lot of wins
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Speaker 1: in his column. And look, I know he's a streamer
14:54
Speaker 1: and not a lot of normal people know who he is.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, people who amass wins like this and whose
15:02
Speaker 1: endorsement ends up mattering perhaps more than local unions who
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Speaker 1: a lot of the establishment candidates had endorsements from his
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Speaker 1: messaging is worth listening to. And this is his pitch
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Speaker 1: on where this is headed.
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Speaker 5: We got people who love Stalin mal maybe even Trotsky,
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Speaker 5: who are now saying I'm gonna vote, I'm gonna engage
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Speaker 5: in electoralism for once, I'm gonna engage in electoralism. I'm
15:28
Speaker 5: gonna vote for Claire Valdez. I am further to the
15:31
Speaker 5: left and I normally do not participate in bourgeois elections.
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Speaker 5: But it's the comedy corridor. We gotta make it. We
15:38
Speaker 5: gotta make sure that people see how red this motherfucking
15:41
Speaker 5: comedy corridor is all the way from space. As primaries
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Speaker 5: are how we change the trajectory of the Democratic Party
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Speaker 5: and hopefully change the trajectory of America. Okay, we're gonna
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Speaker 5: be heading out first to Bushwick, the commed corridor itself.
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Speaker 3: Corridor. Yeah, and I appreciate the openness, you know.
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Speaker 2: Like, what I don't like is when I would refer
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Speaker 2: to Mamdani as the Kami mayor, and voters of his
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Speaker 2: who I know, would be like, what are you talking about?
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Speaker 2: He's not a communist? Like, yeah, he is. He is
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Speaker 2: behind closed doors. He probably calls.
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Speaker 1: Himself one, Like yeah, well he may. He may run
16:23
Speaker 1: into structural or electoral issues trying to foist full communism
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Speaker 1: on people, but that doesn't change the fact that these
16:32
Speaker 1: guys talk quite frankly about exactly what it is they are.
16:36
Speaker 1: Amy Walter of the cook Political Report notes that only
16:40
Speaker 1: a few of these types of candidates endorsed by these
16:42
Speaker 1: groups during the progressive wing of the party will be
16:45
Speaker 1: running in competitive general election contests this fall, where they
16:48
Speaker 1: would need to prove their appeal to swing voters. Right,
16:50
Speaker 1: this is where purple states and swing voters can save
16:53
Speaker 1: us from some of this for a while. Maybe not
16:56
Speaker 1: if they get a bunch of momentum behind them, so,
16:58
Speaker 1: she says. That's why the real test of the movie
17:00
Speaker 1: Men's political Medal medal will be in Michigan's Senate race
17:02
Speaker 1: come August fourth. The progressive left, including Senator Bernie Sanders,
17:06
Speaker 1: is lined up behind former Detroit health official Abdul l
17:09
Speaker 1: si Ed. He faces two more mainstream Democratic opponents, Representative
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Speaker 1: Hailey Stevens and State Senator Mallory mcmorro, both of whom
17:16
Speaker 1: are pulling very low at this point. Recent polls find
17:19
Speaker 1: elsa Ed and Stevens, who has been has the support
17:21
Speaker 1: of a pack and Senator Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer
17:24
Speaker 1: locked in a battle for first place. And I've Stevens
17:26
Speaker 1: has been limping on the trail and in debates, I
17:29
Speaker 1: mean just not and not terribly impressive, but should he
17:34
Speaker 1: be the nominee. Elsie's candidacy will be the first real
17:36
Speaker 1: test of whether a progressive candidate who's campaigning on a
17:39
Speaker 1: platform that includes abolishing ice medicare for all and who
17:42
Speaker 1: has previously supported that defunding a police can win in
17:45
Speaker 1: a swing state that President Trump narrowly won twice. That's
17:48
Speaker 1: Mike Rodgers is the Republican. He is going up against
17:51
Speaker 1: Mike Rogers.
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Speaker 3: Learn it, live it, don'tnate money to the.
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Speaker 1: Guy, Yeah, because that one would be not great. And
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Speaker 1: I regret to inform you that l say Ed is
18:03
Speaker 1: good on TV and good looking, which is going to
18:06
Speaker 1: help regardless of who you are.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're in a bind because also there's you know,
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Speaker 2: this other school of thoughts like let the Democrats destroy themselves,
18:17
Speaker 2: that let them move all the way to left, let
18:19
Speaker 2: them become the Party of Communists, and they'll be easier
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Speaker 2: to beat.
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Speaker 1: But what if they win well? And that's the thing
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Speaker 1: is they famously like to start their march through the institutions.
18:29
Speaker 1: They don't famously stop their march through the institutions. I
18:33
Speaker 1: don't care you guys want Yeah, I don't want them
18:35
Speaker 1: to get like a little bit of the institutions. I
18:38
Speaker 1: like them to have almost no power. Yeah, so yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think, by the way, can we also focus for
18:45
Speaker 1: just a moment on the impotence of the Democratic Party's
18:48
Speaker 1: response to this, which, again, like as the rise of
18:52
Speaker 1: right populism happened, you had similar displays on the right
18:56
Speaker 1: where it's like, we don't know how to handle the
18:57
Speaker 1: fact that our voters want this, We're not sure to
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Speaker 1: what to do about it. Now again, write populism closer
19:03
Speaker 1: to an average American voter than left populism. Here's how
19:06
Speaker 1: King Jeffrey's being asked today about how he was trounced
19:09
Speaker 1: in several congressional incumbent elections or his party was the.
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Speaker 4: Results in New York last night, you said Mom Donnie
19:16
Speaker 4: was not the future of the party. Do you regret
19:18
Speaker 4: those statements?
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Speaker 6: I think the future of the party is diverse and
19:26
Speaker 6: is anchored in the fact that we've got candidates all
19:29
Speaker 6: across the country who are running to take back control
19:33
Speaker 6: of the House of Representatives. So we can aim the
19:34
Speaker 6: national nightmare has taken place. Maya and Mondommie has been
19:39
Speaker 6: off to a great start as man. We have a
19:42
Speaker 6: good working relationship and that will continue moving.
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Speaker 4: Forward to the NRCC, dropped off flowers at your office
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Speaker 4: this morning and condolences for the candidates that you endorse.
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Speaker 7: It lost things that the NRCC and Republicans spent millions
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Speaker 7: of dollars trying to pick Mike Lawler's own it and
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Speaker 7: they failed miserably.
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Speaker 6: And Kate Conley, who's now the Democratic nominee, is going
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Speaker 6: to take Mike Lawler out in November. I'm going to
20:10
Speaker 6: take back control of the House of Representative.
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Speaker 4: And then finally, finally, do you have any comment. Are
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Speaker 4: you concerned at all about a primary challenge in two
20:16
Speaker 4: years from you know, Mamdani endors candidate.
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Speaker 6: When you ask me a serious question, I'll give you
20:21
Speaker 6: a serious answer.
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Speaker 2: Why do you think the men Donnie endorse candidates won.
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Speaker 2: That's a good question.
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Speaker 6: And every race is going to be judged on its
20:31
Speaker 6: own merits. And you know, I'm sure that there'll be
20:36
Speaker 6: an assessment of what happened in the Goldman race and
20:39
Speaker 6: what happened and asked byacht race. But I'm thankful for
20:41
Speaker 6: the service of those two individuals.
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Speaker 1: Espyott was head of the Hispanic Caucus, right, Yeah, he
20:47
Speaker 1: has like an actual leadership position. Yeah, I just think
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Speaker 1: the idea that he's like not worried about a challenge to.
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Speaker 3: Him a serious question. I'll give you a serious answer.
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Speaker 3: That was a serious question.
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Speaker 1: The people at the DSA party were chanting your next
21:03
Speaker 1: about Hakeem Jefferies. They were also chanting from the River
21:06
Speaker 1: to the Sea.
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Speaker 3: Obviously, will things go together?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So he has no answer for this, and the
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Speaker 1: fact that Mum Donnie got this far into it without
21:17
Speaker 1: anyone like seemingly even objecting is interesting.
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Speaker 2: It is it is good luck, good luck Democrats.
21:27
Speaker 3: All right, we're going to take a sharp break.
21:28
Speaker 2: And be right back with more on normally. We are
21:35
Speaker 2: back on normally, where we're going to turn our attention
21:38
Speaker 2: to a different blue city, the city of Chicago, where
21:42
Speaker 2: Mayor Brandon Johnson has declared a trans femicide crisis. He
21:48
Speaker 2: calls it a trans femicide state of emergency, and it's
21:53
Speaker 2: intended to end the massive amounts of trans murderers that
21:59
Speaker 2: they have every year in Chicago. And by that I mean,
22:01
Speaker 2: of course zero. They have zero trans murderers in Chicago
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Speaker 2: over the last year. This is a ridiculous plan that's
22:10
Speaker 2: meant to, you know, detract from the fact that they
22:13
Speaker 2: have four hundred plus murders of mostly black people every
22:17
Speaker 2: year in Chicago, and nobody seems to care about that.
22:21
Speaker 2: I have a column on this in Wednesday's New York Posts.
22:24
Speaker 2: So four hundred and sixteen murders a year, and that's
22:27
Speaker 2: the lowest homicide rate Chicago has seen in sixty years.
22:31
Speaker 2: And what I say about that is, when you're still
22:34
Speaker 2: telling up more than a murder a day, perhaps the
22:36
Speaker 2: celebrations should be somewhat muted, less than suv pulls up
22:40
Speaker 2: and starts spraying the party with bullets, as occurred at
22:43
Speaker 2: a June teenth Juneteenth celebration a few days ago. I
22:47
Speaker 2: was particularly proud of that line.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, this is one of the things about
22:52
Speaker 1: these cities that have sort of been on a downward
22:54
Speaker 1: spiral since twenty twenty. Some of them have, you know,
22:59
Speaker 1: pulled out the spin a little bit, San Francisco, notably
23:03
Speaker 1: Oakland a little bit. And whenever they do, it's by
23:07
Speaker 1: noticing that they should maybe enforce laws. It's not by
23:10
Speaker 1: going further down this path.
23:12
Speaker 2: Also, the easiest thing endorse, I mean, enforce the laws
23:16
Speaker 2: you already have.
23:17
Speaker 1: Also, I'm limited in the congratulations, although I'm glad things
23:21
Speaker 1: are on the upswing. I can give to cities that
23:24
Speaker 1: let their murder rate go through the roof, right and
23:27
Speaker 1: then giving them credit for it coming back down again.
23:30
Speaker 1: That's like you know, presidents and inflation, Like it goes
23:33
Speaker 1: up above, you don't necessarily get a ton of credit
23:36
Speaker 1: for its slowly coming back down again if you've let
23:38
Speaker 1: it get out of control. And that's what often happens
23:41
Speaker 1: in these cities. Yeah, and look they have.
23:44
Speaker 2: You know, when we hear about thirty people being shot
23:47
Speaker 2: in a weekend in Chicago, which is like a standard
23:50
Speaker 2: thing that happens, nobody even blinks.
23:52
Speaker 3: It's completely it doesn't even make the news.
23:54
Speaker 2: If like thirty people got murdered anywhere else like that,
23:57
Speaker 2: it would be a humongous story.
23:59
Speaker 3: But Chicago, it's like we come to expect.
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Speaker 2: That, you know, these kinds of shootings just happen all
24:05
Speaker 2: the time. And as I know in my piece, it's
24:08
Speaker 2: partly because Chicago is this one party town. Can't really
24:12
Speaker 2: have the media focusing too much on it because who
24:15
Speaker 2: are you going to blame?
24:15
Speaker 3: There's no Republicans around.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Johnson is like particularly bad at many things,
24:24
Speaker 1: like has has attempted to well, first has overseen the
24:29
Speaker 1: the terrible decline of continued decline of Chicago public schools,
24:34
Speaker 1: attempted to take over various elected boards in Chicago because
24:40
Speaker 1: he wanted them to do his bidding. At one point
24:42
Speaker 1: he in one poll he had like a seven percent
24:46
Speaker 1: approval rating, and with good reason. It is the.
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Speaker 2: Yea.
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Speaker 1: And that's the question too, is like as these more
24:57
Speaker 1: extreme figures take over in these cities, as we've seen
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Speaker 1: in other places, like I always mentioned San Francisco, like
25:04
Speaker 1: eventually they were like, this really isn't working for us.
25:07
Speaker 2: Right when they no longer had a CBS store anywhere?
25:10
Speaker 1: Right? Is that a thing that a Chicago and in
25:14
Speaker 1: New York and a Washington d C which just nominated
25:17
Speaker 1: on the Democratic side, which means basically mayor a democratic
25:20
Speaker 1: socialist can eventually realize and go, hmm, maybe we shouldn't
25:25
Speaker 1: be doing this.
25:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's just sad that like things need to get bad,
25:29
Speaker 2: really bad until before they could get better. I wish
25:32
Speaker 2: there was like a way to maybe learn from history.
25:34
Speaker 1: But you know, also the idea that like declaring war
25:39
Speaker 1: on trans femicide is the way that he's serving his community.
25:45
Speaker 1: It's just speaking like talk about out.
25:48
Speaker 2: Of touch like right right, yeah, and I make this,
25:51
Speaker 2: you know, common in my piece.
25:53
Speaker 3: But he could declare victory.
25:55
Speaker 2: He could say that his trans femicide state of emergencies,
25:58
Speaker 2: what's keeping trans people being murdered? Maybe he should try,
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Speaker 2: you know, some other kind of state of emergency for
26:05
Speaker 2: the murders going on in his city. All right, we're
26:07
Speaker 2: going to take a short break and come right back
26:09
Speaker 2: with one more segment of normally.
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Speaker 1: All right, we are back on normally. And actually this
26:18
Speaker 1: is somewhat related to our first topic because Rocanna, another
26:22
Speaker 1: Democrat in the House who certainly wants national attention, probably
26:26
Speaker 1: wants to run for president, is doing it by swerving left,
26:31
Speaker 1: attacking famous people, getting quite a lot of press out
26:34
Speaker 1: of it. And one of the ways he did that
26:36
Speaker 1: was he was speaking to Jennifer Welch, who is a
26:39
Speaker 1: sort of podcast personality of the left. And yeah, that too.
26:43
Speaker 1: He says on that podcast, for five percent tax, one
26:47
Speaker 1: time on Elon Musk, you could have universal childcare in
26:50
Speaker 1: America ten dollars a day for every family that's made
26:55
Speaker 1: up and crazy. Yeah, but he also says that for
26:59
Speaker 1: usaid that Elon Musk needs accountability, He needs to be
27:03
Speaker 1: investigated he needs to be subpoanut. Elon fires back like, nah, man,
27:08
Speaker 1: maybe I'll just sue you for having said I killed
27:12
Speaker 1: four point five million children, which is a just to
27:15
Speaker 1: be clear, very very completely made up number that Rokana
27:20
Speaker 1: is using. It has ballooned from the left from like
27:23
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand or sixty five thousand to four point
27:26
Speaker 1: five million. And as soon as Elon said that, Rokana goes,
27:30
Speaker 1: who wha, whoa not about lawfair man, why don't we
27:33
Speaker 1: why don't we debate?
27:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I need the famed Elon. And now he's
27:39
Speaker 2: like worried about Elon sewing him. I really wish Elon
27:42
Speaker 2: would sue him. I don't know that necessarily it would
27:44
Speaker 2: go anywhere, but I just feel like sometimes lessons need
27:47
Speaker 2: to be taught, and this is one of those lessons.
27:50
Speaker 2: And the thing is the financial side of this, where
27:53
Speaker 2: it makes absolutely no sense, where if they just had
27:57
Speaker 2: five percent of Elon's wealth, they'll be able to solve
27:59
Speaker 2: all the problems that they're incapable of solving with a
28:02
Speaker 2: budget like many times that amount. It just again, people,
28:07
Speaker 2: we don't teach economics to kids and we expect that
28:10
Speaker 2: they're going to understand it when they get older and
28:13
Speaker 2: they don't.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, cannot do basic math. David Friedberg, who is another
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Speaker 1: entrepreneur and rich guy out in Silicon Valley, challenged Kana
28:25
Speaker 1: by saying, like, what hey, how about we do five
28:29
Speaker 1: percent of your family's two hundred million dollars net worth
28:32
Speaker 1: to the government, and don't worry, it'll help fund all
28:35
Speaker 1: these lovely things. And once you've done your part, you
28:39
Speaker 1: can come see at work.
28:41
Speaker 2: Right once, once we see that money in action doing
28:44
Speaker 2: all the amazing things that you say it's going to do, Like,
28:47
Speaker 2: then let's maybe think about.
28:49
Speaker 3: Further, you know, confiscations, but you start.
28:53
Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, it's notable that Kana became rich as a
28:56
Speaker 1: congress person, whereas all the rest of these peopeople became
29:01
Speaker 1: rich building things and making things that other people use
29:04
Speaker 1: and purchase. So it's a very different form of wealth creation.
29:08
Speaker 1: And I would prefer that we keep more of the
29:11
Speaker 1: entrepreneurs and fewer of the congressman as the billionaires, if
29:14
Speaker 1: we're going to pick and choose.
29:15
Speaker 2: Here more and more of an Elon defender. I just
29:19
Speaker 2: think he's being targeted in such a vile way. It's
29:23
Speaker 2: like he's creating incredible things that we had never considered,
29:28
Speaker 2: you know, like reusable rockets that they can catch when they.
29:32
Speaker 3: Come back to earth.
29:32
Speaker 2: I mean just all kinds of stuff that we didn't
29:34
Speaker 2: even think about. And the idea that it's okay to
29:39
Speaker 2: say we want to confiscate most of his money or
29:41
Speaker 2: any part of his money is just inappropriate to me.
29:44
Speaker 3: And I know that there's not a lot.
29:46
Speaker 2: Of sympathy for trillionaires, but there kind of should be.
29:50
Speaker 2: And I don't want the people who are the future
29:54
Speaker 2: Elon and Mosques seeing people derided like he is, and
29:59
Speaker 2: you know, maybe not following the dream, maybe not doing
30:02
Speaker 2: the things that'll make society better.
30:04
Speaker 3: I don't know.
30:05
Speaker 2: I'm very like I mentioned this on an earlier show.
30:09
Speaker 2: But Noah Khan, who's an artist I like a lot,
30:11
Speaker 2: and I went to his concert and I'm going to
30:13
Speaker 2: another one or whatever. But him saying f Elon Musk
30:16
Speaker 2: on a stage like and I wasn't there for it,
30:18
Speaker 2: but it was at a concert. It really made me
30:22
Speaker 2: mad because it's like this cheap way to attack creators
30:27
Speaker 2: and I really don't like that.
30:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, and creators matter. There is a there's a problem
30:32
Speaker 1: where many again the economic literacy, we have a theme today.
30:36
Speaker 1: There's a problem where a lot of people don't understand
30:37
Speaker 1: what it takes to create stuff. And yes, there can
30:42
Speaker 1: be cronyism and corruption and creating wealth, but most entrepreneurs
30:46
Speaker 1: are creating products that people like and that make their
30:52
Speaker 1: lives better, and that's how they get the money. And
30:55
Speaker 1: I would like them to continue to take risks to
30:58
Speaker 1: do that. But there's a lot of just plain ignorance
31:02
Speaker 1: about how that happens, and a lot of people who
31:04
Speaker 1: don't understand that wealth can be created and it is
31:08
Speaker 1: created and not taken from a bunch of people. In fact,
31:10
Speaker 1: the people who take it are the congress people who
31:14
Speaker 1: can only confiscate it from you. By the way, while
31:17
Speaker 1: we're on the subject of people shooting themselves in the foot,
31:20
Speaker 1: can I say that the President today took an interesting
31:24
Speaker 1: tack by there was a bipartisan housing bill, like focused
31:29
Speaker 1: on affordability. Look, I don't like really any bills, but
31:32
Speaker 1: this is a veto proof bipartisan bill that was coming
31:35
Speaker 1: up to be signed today, and he's like, I'm not
31:38
Speaker 1: showing up. They're on the stage, they're setting everything up
31:42
Speaker 1: to sign for this ceremony and handing everyone that talking
31:49
Speaker 1: point and working over the people who worked to pass
31:53
Speaker 1: this bill. By the way, with your approval, if I'm
31:55
Speaker 1: not mistaken, not wise, not wise, because it's Vito proof.
32:01
Speaker 1: It's going through anyway.
32:02
Speaker 2: Right, and it's like he wanted it, and just sign it.
32:06
Speaker 2: Get a win, get a win on the board. Don't
32:08
Speaker 2: let the story become Donald Trump doesn't want affordable housing.
32:13
Speaker 2: You know it's easy.
32:14
Speaker 1: Can everybody stops spinning out?
32:16
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32:19
Speaker 2: a reason.
32:20
Speaker 1: We're trying to help.
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