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Harvey Grant Comes to Prison · Red Onion Randy - Life in a Supermax Prison

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  Speaker 1: You have to fight and fight and fight and fight
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  Speaker 1: to overcome. I can do something with my life. Hey, everybody.
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  Speaker 1: It's Red Onion Randy. I apologize that this is a
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  Speaker 1: little bit late. However, I kind of wanted to do
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  Speaker 1: it this way for the simple fact that we had
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  Speaker 1: a We had a pretty huge day here at Buckingham Prison.
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  Speaker 1: So there's a guy on my pod named Norman Blow.
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  Speaker 1: Good guy. He seems to be innocent. I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to go 100% out on a limb and say that
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  Speaker 1: he is the way I did with my buddy, Micah Patterson.
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  Speaker 1: I know Coach. We talk. We hang out sometimes. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I've Had a chance to look at his case a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, and he does look like he's innocent. He
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  Speaker 1: does look like he was falsely accused, and it was
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  Speaker 1: a money grab. But I haven't had a chance to
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  Speaker 1: really go into his case, you know, and read the
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  Speaker 1: whole thing and look at the nuts and bolts of it.
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  Speaker 1: So that's the only reason why I add that caveat,
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  Speaker 1: you know. But Norman Blow, we call him Coach in here.
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  Speaker 1: He actually owned the ABA, American Basketball Association, if I
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  Speaker 1: remember correctly. And he was friends with Harvey Grant, the
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  Speaker 1: former player in the NBA for 11 seasons. He played
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  Speaker 1: for the Washington Bullets. He played for Portland, the Portland Trailblazers,
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  Speaker 1: and he came back and played for the Wizards again.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's a fourth team, but I can't remember.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not really a basketball guy. I used to like it,
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  Speaker 1: but I followed the Mavericks. But his twin brother, Horace Grant,
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  Speaker 1: is a lot more famous, more well-known, because Horace Grant
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  Speaker 1: played on the Chicago Bulls with Michael Jordan, Scotty Pippen,
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  Speaker 1: and Dennis Rodman and them, and won. a couple of championships.
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  Speaker 1: He also played in Orlando with Shaquille O'Neal and Penny
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  Speaker 1: Hardaway and then went to the Lakers and played with
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  Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O'Neal and won another championship there. Harvey,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he really does seem like a good guy.
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  Speaker 1: He seems like a genuine guy. You know, normally, I'm
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  Speaker 1: really not impressed by a lot of people, to be
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  Speaker 1: honest with you. I've been around a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: in my life. I've been around good. I've been around bad.
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  Speaker 1: Quite frankly, I grew up in prison after 35 years
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  Speaker 1: of this. So mostly bad. Mostly I've been around a
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  Speaker 1: lot of fucking bad people. And, you know, as we
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  Speaker 1: all know, those who've listened to my story, I was
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  Speaker 1: one of those bad people for a long-ass time. You know,
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  Speaker 1: and now I'm on my journey of turning that around. It's... Man,
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  Speaker 1: it's good. Like, it was... It was good to see
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  Speaker 1: this guy come in. One, that says a lot about
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  Speaker 1: Norman Blow. That says a lot about him as a
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  Speaker 1: friend and about his character. That this guy, who was
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  Speaker 1: an ambassador... for the Washington Wizards, has stood by Coach
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  Speaker 1: this whole time. They talk on the phone. They text
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  Speaker 1: each other constantly. Coach is helping him. He's helping Coach.
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  Speaker 1: So when Coach created a program called Coaching for Life,
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  Speaker 1: And it's a 16-week in-depth course. And I've had a
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  Speaker 1: chance to read it. I've had a chance to go
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  Speaker 1: through it. And it is really good. Like, it's really good.
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  Speaker 1: That's why you don't, like, if you are a part
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  Speaker 1: of the Department of Corrections, I don't care what state,
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  Speaker 1: I don't care what country you're in. If you want
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  Speaker 1: to rehabilitate guys, do not go headhunting In a fucking
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  Speaker 1: college or university. They don't know prison. They don't know crime.
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  Speaker 1: They don't know criminals. They don't understand this in here.
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  Speaker 1: You want guys, programs, stuff that makes a difference. You
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  Speaker 1: don't need a degree in criminology. You need a record
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  Speaker 1: in criminology. Because I know what it's like to walk
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  Speaker 1: the streets. See, I'm one of those rare cats. I
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  Speaker 1: can go in the country and be just fine, fit in.
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  Speaker 1: You couldn't tell the difference. I can go into the city.
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  Speaker 1: I can go into the hood and fit in. And
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  Speaker 1: the only difference you'll notice is the fact that I'm
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  Speaker 1: a little bit lighter than everybody else around me. Well, actually,
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  Speaker 1: my white ass is a whole lot whiter. But that's
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  Speaker 1: the only thing. I know both sides. I've been on
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  Speaker 1: both sides. I've ran the streets on both sides. I
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  Speaker 1: grew up in prison. I know prison better than just
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  Speaker 1: about anybody else. There's no getting around that fact. I've
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  Speaker 1: done 35 years in here. I grew up in here.
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  Speaker 1: Seven years juvenile, 28 plus years adult. To see someone
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  Speaker 1: like this guy stick around for coach to keep that
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  Speaker 1: friendship when it could potentially harm his career. He's an
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  Speaker 1: ambassador for the Wizards. Quite frankly, he could have lost
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  Speaker 1: his job They could have sit there and just told him, hey, look, man,
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  Speaker 1: we're going in a new direction. Thank you for your service. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he's out the door all because he's stuck
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  Speaker 1: by his friend. Look, his friend isn't locked up for
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  Speaker 1: great charges. But, again, I believe he's innocent. Quite frankly,
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  Speaker 1: I do. I think it was a money grab because,
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  Speaker 1: quite frankly, the dude had a little bit of cash.
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  Speaker 1: You know, and sad to say, but sometimes that happens
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  Speaker 1: in life. So Coach wrote the program, and he went
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  Speaker 1: through Rec. Supervisor Baker, and he went through Dr. Jackson
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  Speaker 1: in charge of mental health, and it went through, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the assistant warden and the major, and finally it landed
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  Speaker 1: on the warden's desk, David Newcomer. David Newcomer read the program.
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  Speaker 1: He sat down with Coach, talked to him. You know,
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  Speaker 1: Coach explained everything to him, what he wants to do,
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  Speaker 1: what he's trying to build this for, and why he's
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  Speaker 1: trying to do it. And I'll say this. Newcomer got
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  Speaker 1: on board. He jumped on board with both feet, and
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  Speaker 1: he made this happen. I respect that. And It wasn't
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  Speaker 1: because Harvey Grant could do anything for him. I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: but you're not going to get some autographs from Harvey
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  Speaker 1: Grant and go sell it on eBay for money. There
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  Speaker 1: was nothing that Ward Newcomer was going to get out
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  Speaker 1: of this. Honestly, I seriously doubt if the man gets
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  Speaker 1: any press beyond what I'm doing right here on my podcast.
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  Speaker 1: He saw what Norman Blow had. He saw what coaching
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  Speaker 1: for life was about. And he was all in. He
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  Speaker 1: made it happen. He went to Richmond. They was back
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  Speaker 1: and forth talking. Like, they really got behind this program.
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  Speaker 1: So today, October the 8th, 2026, Harvey Grant came up.
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  Speaker 1: A and B building went around 8 o'clock-ish. You know,
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  Speaker 1: a little over 100 people in the gym. They did
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  Speaker 1: their thing. And then around 9.30, 10 o'clock, they called
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  Speaker 1: C & D building over after A & B building
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  Speaker 1: went back. And I was one of the ones I
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  Speaker 1: signed up to go over there because, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: hang out with Coach. Coach is in my park. We've talked.
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  Speaker 1: I've let Coach read my program, building perspective. He liked it.
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  Speaker 1: He actually made me a part of coaching for life.
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  Speaker 1: He wants me to come over and teach the section
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  Speaker 1: on perspective because he really, really liked my program on that.
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  Speaker 1: And we talk. We build. you know we we've we
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  Speaker 1: broke bread together we've cooked together occasionally and you know
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  Speaker 1: he comes to me when he needs somebody to talk
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  Speaker 1: to when he kind of needs to get off his
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  Speaker 1: chest and whatnot he comes hollers at me maybe not
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  Speaker 1: every single time but often enough So we get over there,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and he's asked me to ask a question.
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  Speaker 1: But first, let me back up real quick. So we
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  Speaker 1: get in there. They got the sound speakers going. They've
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  Speaker 1: got the flags and everything back, and they got the
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  Speaker 1: chairs out and, you know, everything. You got the warden there,
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  Speaker 1: assistant warden, the major. you got captains, you got lieutenants, sergeants. Heck,
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  Speaker 1: I even saw the two ladies that work in personal
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  Speaker 1: property said, you know what, the hell with property today,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to this. And they did, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: more power to them than they're supposed to. She got
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  Speaker 1: the guys there, we're talking, you know, shaking hands and
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  Speaker 1: whatnot with people and, you know, as little time goes by,
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  Speaker 1: they're ready and You know, we all quiet down and everything.
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  Speaker 1: And Harvey and Coach sit up in the chairs in
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  Speaker 1: front of the microphones. And, you know, they start talking.
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  Speaker 1: And it's evident. It is clearly evident that Coach and
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  Speaker 1: Harvey are tight. That they're brothers. They're friends. They're confidence. Like,
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  Speaker 1: they're there for one another. Like, the rapport that they had...
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  Speaker 1: was really good to see. It was a little heartwarming.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? I'm sitting there and sometimes
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  Speaker 1: you get these people, famous people or semi-famous people, people
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  Speaker 1: that's got some money. Let's face it, the guy's a millionaire.
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  Speaker 1: He played in the NBA for 10 years. He's an ambassador,
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  Speaker 1: so he's making good money. All four of his sons
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  Speaker 1: played in the NBA, and his daughter is a senior
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  Speaker 1: in the University of Maryland. So they start talking, him
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  Speaker 1: and Coach, and Coach is asking him questions, and Harvey's
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  Speaker 1: talking about his life. He talks about how he grew up.
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  Speaker 1: He talks about the foundation that his parents laid in
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  Speaker 1: him and his twin brother's life, how they told him, look,
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  Speaker 1: two things are going to happen. One, you're keeping your
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  Speaker 1: ass out of trouble. And Harvey Grant is like 6'7,
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  Speaker 1: something like that. I'm not sure. Tall cat, like this
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  Speaker 1: dude is tall. His mom was 5'4, he said. And
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  Speaker 1: he was terrified of her. And he was right to
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  Speaker 1: be so. But she told him. And she told his
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  Speaker 1: twin brother, said, look, you two are going to grow
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  Speaker 1: up to be respectful young men You're going to grow
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  Speaker 1: up to small. And when you become of age, your
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  Speaker 1: ass is going to the military or your ass is
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  Speaker 1: going to college. But you will not be living in
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  Speaker 1: my house eating all my food as grown-ass men. So
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  Speaker 1: what's it going to be? You going to college or
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  Speaker 1: you going to the military? Either way, you're getting an education.
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  Speaker 1: You will get an education. And they drove them to it.
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  Speaker 1: they pushed them to it. And man, that is something
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  Speaker 1: I did not have. My dad never told me get
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  Speaker 1: an education boy or else. I don't think my dad
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  Speaker 1: gave one way or the other. You know? He just
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  Speaker 1: didn't care. And just listening to Harvey's stories, you could
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  Speaker 1: tell that his mom and dad loved him and his brother.
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  Speaker 1: They was their... for them two boys. They pushed them,
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  Speaker 1: they guided them, but they taught them. Like, they really
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  Speaker 1: taught them. You know, they sat down and they explained
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  Speaker 1: things to them. You know, and that was, that was
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  Speaker 1: super cool. As, yeah, he, they definitely had, the Grant
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  Speaker 1: boys had the relationship with their parents that I kind
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  Speaker 1: of wish I would have had. You know. But, You know,
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  Speaker 1: it was a good talk. I enjoyed it a lot
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  Speaker 1: more than I thought I was, and I was kind
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  Speaker 1: of looking forward to it, you know. And Coach had
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  Speaker 1: actually approached me and asked me, hey, look, man, think
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  Speaker 1: of a question. Think of what you would like to
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  Speaker 1: ask Harvey, and I'm going to get you up in
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  Speaker 1: front of everybody, and you're going to ask this question, so.
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  Speaker 1: I did. I wanted to ask him something. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to ask him a basketball question. Who's the hardest
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  Speaker 1: person you ever had to play against? Who's your favorite teammate? No,
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to ask him something about mental health. I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to ask him something about balance. Balance has been
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  Speaker 1: really big to me lately. It's something that I've been
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  Speaker 1: thinking a lot about and I've been looking into. I
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  Speaker 1: just stepped up. I grabbed the microphone and I told him, look,
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  Speaker 1: I've been in prison since I was 11. I did
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  Speaker 1: seven years juvenile, 28-plus adult, 35 years total. Prison's all
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  Speaker 1: I know. But my part is in the Secretary of
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  Speaker 1: the Commonwealth's office. It's being looked at. I could potentially
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  Speaker 1: be released from prison any day now. That doesn't mean
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  Speaker 1: I will, but there's the potential there. So if I
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  Speaker 1: go home knowing nothing about the streets really, Like, I
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  Speaker 1: want to have a wife. I've got a baby daughter
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  Speaker 1: on the way. I'm going to have to work. I
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  Speaker 1: want to chase my dreams and, you know, to become
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  Speaker 1: an actor. You know, I've got all these responsibilities. I
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  Speaker 1: need to find time to work out. How do I
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  Speaker 1: find balance? So, you know, I talked to him about that,
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  Speaker 1: and he told me, one, you know, talk to Coach.
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  Speaker 1: Find some time to talk to Coach because Coach was
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  Speaker 1: out there on the streets He was running a basketball organization.
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  Speaker 1: He was running a lot of charitable events. He was
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  Speaker 1: doing a lot of things. And, you know, he had
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  Speaker 1: his family and his kids that he was taking care of. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Coach has been there. He knows what it's like.
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  Speaker 1: You know, so sit down and talk to him so
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  Speaker 1: you can get more in-depth information than what I can
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  Speaker 1: give you in this short span of time. But he said...
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  Speaker 1: What you need to do is don't let it overwhelm you.
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  Speaker 1: Focus on the moments that you're in and enjoy those moments.
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  Speaker 1: Find people that you can talk to. Find people that
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  Speaker 1: you can rely on. People that they get it. They
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  Speaker 1: can understand. One of the things that he talked about
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  Speaker 1: in his regular talk, not answering this question, but In
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  Speaker 1: a way, it answered this question. He talked about when
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  Speaker 1: he got retired. When he did retire, I mean to say.
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  Speaker 1: So when he retired, he's sitting at home. He doesn't
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  Speaker 1: have to get up at a certain time. He doesn't
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  Speaker 1: have to be at practice at a certain time. He
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  Speaker 1: doesn't have to eat this. He doesn't have to lift
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  Speaker 1: weights then. He doesn't have to recover here. All that
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  Speaker 1: structure was gone, and he said it was great for
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  Speaker 1: the first eight months. Then it got to the point
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  Speaker 1: where it was becoming a problem. And the guys that
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  Speaker 1: he had played with, he had lost touch with them.
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  Speaker 1: So he didn't really have anybody at that moment to
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  Speaker 1: talk to about it. He couldn't just call them up
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  Speaker 1: because they had their families. They were going this place,
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  Speaker 1: doing that. They drifted apart. So he didn't have anybody
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  Speaker 1: to really rely on, and he was struggling. So he
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  Speaker 1: called his older brother, or his twin brother, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: excuse me, I'm not sure which one of them is older.
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  Speaker 1: And his brother was still playing in the NBA at
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  Speaker 1: that time. I think Harvey's career was 11 years. I
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  Speaker 1: think his brother played for 16 years, if I remember correctly.
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  Speaker 1: If not, it's not a big deal. And his brother said, look, man, dude,
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  Speaker 1: go coach. Go mentor. Go do some commentary on television.
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  Speaker 1: And Harvey was like, you know what? Yeah, you're right.
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  Speaker 1: And he did that. He'd done some commentary. He was
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  Speaker 1: a coach for a high school basketball team. He coached
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  Speaker 1: in college. He coached in the NBA. And he also
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  Speaker 1: coached with Coach in the ABA. And he got some structure.
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  Speaker 1: He got some discipline. And he talked about the importance
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  Speaker 1: of being disciplined. Knowing what you're going to do. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: of course, you know, stuff happens in life where you
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  Speaker 1: have to improvise, adapt, and overcome. Sometimes plans change. Things
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  Speaker 1: fall through, things change, all this stuff. So you have
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  Speaker 1: to be prepared for that. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 1: on the days that you can, stick to your routines.
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  Speaker 1: Stick to your disciplines. Do what you're supposed to do,
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  Speaker 1: when you're supposed to do it, how you're supposed to
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  Speaker 1: do it, because then you don't have to think about it.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't become overwhelming to you. And if you do
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  Speaker 1: get overly emotional about something, then stop what you're doing. Breathe.
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  Speaker 1: Just breathe. And then pick the phone up and call somebody.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody is going to be free. Somebody can give you
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  Speaker 1: five to ten minutes just so you can kind of
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  Speaker 1: get it off your chest a little bit so you
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  Speaker 1: don't blow. So you're not overwhelmed and you're not dragged down.
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  Speaker 1: I like that. I like that because I have a
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  Speaker 1: routine in here. I have discipline in here. I know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm doing, when I'm doing it. I even know
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  Speaker 1: why I'm doing it. You know, I get up in
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  Speaker 1: the morning. I pray. I drink me a cup of coffee.
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  Speaker 1: I go to breakfast. I save what I can. I
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  Speaker 1: bring it back. I change out to my rec clothes.
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  Speaker 1: When they call rec, I go outside and I work out.
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  Speaker 1: I come back in. I jump in the shower, wash
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  Speaker 1: my ass. Come back out. I get my food. Put
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  Speaker 1: it in the microwave. Warm it up a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Then I eat it. You know. I get up. I
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  Speaker 1: read for a little bit. I'll check my text messages.
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  Speaker 1: You know. 11 o'clock. I call my wife. Uh. So
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  Speaker 1: I know what I'm doing throughout the day. You know,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm going to need that when I get out. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to have to be flexible. But I think
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  Speaker 1: I can do it. I think I can do it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's going to be tough. I imagine that
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  Speaker 1: it is. I'm going to have a lot of stress
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of pressure that, you know, most normal
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  Speaker 1: people on the streets don't have. I believe I can
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  Speaker 1: do it though. And that's something else he talked about
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  Speaker 1: was believing in yourself. He talked about how much he
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  Speaker 1: believed in us. And it didn't come across kitschy. It
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  Speaker 1: didn't come across as something that he would say. You know,
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  Speaker 1: that just normal people would say. You could see the heart.
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  Speaker 1: You could feel the heart in it when he said, look,
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  Speaker 1: I believe in you guys. This isn't a one and done.
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  Speaker 1: Y'all will see me again. As long as the warden
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  Speaker 1: lets me on the compound, I will come. I will
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  Speaker 1: show up. I believe in coaching. I believe in coaching
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  Speaker 1: for life. I believe in what y'all are doing here,
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  Speaker 1: and I believe in you individually. For y'all to make
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  Speaker 1: it into the incentive program, you've already shown that you're
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  Speaker 1: working towards that change. you're working towards turning over that
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  Speaker 1: new leaf. And he's going to try to get other athletes,
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  Speaker 1: to get other people involved in this. Not just him.
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  Speaker 1: He's going to try to get current NBA players. He's
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  Speaker 1: going to try to get some NFL players, maybe some
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: MLB players, maybe some business leaders. And so on. I
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: can't imagine how Coach is feeling right now. Like, he
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: has to be riding a pretty damn good high. That,
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  Speaker 1: you know, one of his best friends read his program,
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  Speaker 1: liked it, and pushed to come here. Said, look, this
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  Speaker 1: is what I want to do. Made the phone call,
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  Speaker 1: sent the emails, and Everything else. And then drove hours
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  Speaker 1: to come. Got up early. Got up early to drive
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  Speaker 1: all the way down here from where he lives. You know,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: and to come in and it was a success. Like,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: it was great. You know, like, Coach had surprised Harvey.
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  Speaker 1: There's this older black guy up here. Really short guy.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's like 5'4, maybe. And they call him
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  Speaker 1: Little Reggie. So Coach and Harvey are sitting there talking
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  Speaker 1: in front of everybody, and all of a sudden the
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  Speaker 1: music pops on. And Coach is like, yo, what's, hey, yo, Rollins,
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  Speaker 1: what's going on? And Rollins, you know, he's in on it.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, I don't know what's going on, man. And
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden out the back, You got this
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  Speaker 1: little old black guy. He's got these gray shorts. He's
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  Speaker 1: got them all pulled all the way up over his
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  Speaker 1: belly with his shirt tucked in. He's got his state
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  Speaker 1: boots on. He's got his sweatband around his head. He's
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: got the basketball, and he comes dribbling it up. And
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: guys are looking like, yo, what the hell is going on? Like,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: is this, like, seriously? Like, yo, what's going on? So
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: the dude pulls up on Coach and Harvey, and he
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: kind of gets in Coach's face a little bit. He said, look, man,
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  Speaker 1: I'm here for the basketball game. Coach is like, yo, bro,
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  Speaker 1: that's this afternoon. That's after lunch. He said, no, man,
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  Speaker 1: you told me it was this morning, man. I come
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  Speaker 1: ready to bowl. Like, you know, what's going on and everything. And,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: you know, a little back and forth, blah, blah, blah. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he turns, he looks at Harvey. He's like,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: who are you? He's like, man, I'm Harvey Grant. And
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: he said, man, you don't look like you're nothing special
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: to me. And he kind of steps to him, which,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: you know, obviously it's, you know, everybody kind of knows
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  Speaker 1: what's going on at this point and Obviously, Harvey stands
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: up and he's like, little Reggie's head came to this
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  Speaker 1: dude's waist. It was funny as hell. Guys in the
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: audience were just tripping and clapping and laughing. It was good, man.
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  Speaker 1: You could kind of feel tension just kind of drain
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  Speaker 1: off of guys. And I think a lot of it
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: was just tension that nobody even kind of realized they had.
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  Speaker 1: It's different when you're laughing just by yourself. Like, it's
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: just a couple of you, like, your boys, yada, yada, yada. But, like,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: when it's over 100 people on both sides of the fence,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: you've got the inmates, you've got the guards, the wardens,
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  Speaker 1: all this, you know, and everybody's laughing together because Lil
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Reggie is just acting like a damn fool. That was
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: pretty cool, man. It was funny. I'm telling you, I'm
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: not sure if they were filming it or not because
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I knew I was going to get called on to
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: ask a question because I was sitting up front and everything. Plus,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: I don't really like sitting in a crowd of people.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: That's not my thing. I kind of like being up
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  Speaker 1: on the, you know, so I got to cheer all
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  Speaker 1: the way up front on the left, the very last
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  Speaker 1: cheer in a row. And, you know, that's where I
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: was at. And it felt good. It felt good to
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: be a part of something bigger than yourself. It felt
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: good to be a part of something a little bit
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  Speaker 1: bigger than your clique, your guys, you know, the crew
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  Speaker 1: you hang with. You know, everybody was on the same page.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody thought that shit was funny. Like, everybody did. You know,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: and then obviously Lil Reggie apologized, and he's like, hey, Warden,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: don't write me a charge for 229, and I know
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: I ain't on the list. You know, and the Warden
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: was in it. Like, he got involved in it. Like,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: he was joking and laughing. Like, it was, you know, granted,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: that's not normally newcomer style. Let me tell you, newcomers,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: they'd be a little bit of an ass, to be
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  Speaker 1: honest with you. You know, he's a little rough around
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  Speaker 1: the edges. He can be hard to talk to and
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  Speaker 1: communicate with. You know, granted, the man does got to
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: deal with a lot of bullshit every single day, so
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I guess I get it. You know. But that was, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I had a good time. Like, I genuinely had a
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: good time. And I learned some stuff. And that's what's important.
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  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, we laughed, we had fun. But we
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: learned something. You know. Yeah. And you could tell that
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: the dude was real. You could tell that the dude
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: was here because he wanted to be here. His organization
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: didn't come and tell him, hey, yo, look, man, you're
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: going here. and you're going to talk about this. Good
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: luck with that. No, like, this dude fought to be here.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: He genuinely fought to be here, to come speak to us,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: to come spend time with us. He gave everybody over there,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: he autographed You know, because they had these little, like,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: these little flyer things, like these little programs. That's what
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: they're called, programs. You know, and I had my little
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: card on, like, a little three-by-six index card. You know,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: my question written down and everything. And I actually got
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: him to sign that. Everybody else, you know, was getting
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: him to sign the programs. I went a little bit
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: different because, well, hell, that's what I am, different. You know,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: and I talked to him, shook the man's hand and everything,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: made a little joke on Coach and everything. A prophecy,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: I said Coach's team was going to lose, and Coach's
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: team lost in the basketball game after lunch. You know? Yeah,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: I liked it. Guys are still talking about it. You know,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: guys are still laughing about it. They're happy. It's not
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: every day, you know, you get a former NBA player
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: come into prison unless he's done some dumb shit and
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: got locked up. You know, they don't come. NBA players
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: don't come to prison voluntarily very often. So for this
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: guy to take the time out of his busy schedule
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  Speaker 1: to come, man, that meant something to every single one
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: of us. So, Mr. Harvey Grant, I don't know if
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: you'll ever listen to this episode or not, but, man,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: thank you. Thank you for coming in. Thank you for
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: taking my question seriously and giving me the best answer
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: that you could give me. I appreciate it, and I
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: know Coach appreciates it, man. I know what you did
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: for him today really, really, really touched him. That's a
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: good thing, man. You made him a little bit better
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: man today. On his behalf, I appreciate that. God bless you.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: You know, you never know, people. You never know what
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: you could do that could change somebody's life, that could
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: have an impact on somebody's life. You know, that right there,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Harvey Grant showed what true friendship is, what true love is,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: because he didn't turn on his friend when his friend
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: came to prison. Whether Coach is guilty or innocent, you know,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: I'll leave that for someone else to decide. I personally
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: believe he is innocent, but I can't swear to it.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: But Harvey didn't give up on him. Harvey has been
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: with him this whole time. Accepting his phone calls, probably
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: putting some money on his books, helping him out here
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: and there, doing some stuff for him. You know, who
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: knows everything that he's done. Just because you have a
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: friend that fucks up, makes a mistake, don't quit on them.
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  Speaker 1: Don't give up on them. Especially if you see that
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: they're trying. Especially if you see that they're fighting to
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  Speaker 1: be better, to do better. Stay the course. Even if
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: they do go to prison. Who knows? Maybe just maybe
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: God allowed Coach to get caught up in what he
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: got caught up in whether guilty or innocent so that
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: he could come to prison so that he could get
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: someone like Harvey in here you know and it's real
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: funny how this year 2026 so many things so many
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: things have started changing in the Virginia Department of Corrections
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  Speaker 1: And for the better. So many things have been changed
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: for the better. So maybe, maybe God wanted old Coach
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  Speaker 1: in here for a reason. So he could get guys
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: like Harvey to come in here and talk to us
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: and maybe get some other people, maybe to bring some
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: more light into this darkness. Because there's a lot of
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: people in here that could use some help. And a
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: lot of them just need to know that there's somebody
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: out there who cares and somebody out there who believes.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: That right there can make a world of difference. All right,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: that's all the time I got. Yeah, thank you, Harvey.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Coach. I appreciate it. I had a damn
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: good day. I had a damn good day. I will
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: remember this for a long, long time.