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Episode 5R- John Ricketts · Pushin' the Cushion

• Slim Pushins: Hey everybody, welcome back to the Pushing the Cushion ⁓ podcast. We got a really cool guest this week. Guy's a proven winner as of recent. My name is Slim Pushings. ⁓ As always, my co-host here, the guy that ⁓ currently holds the Coast to Coast Cannonball run record on a unicycle. Jim Gardner: You Slim Pushins: Corby Lane Sherb. Corby: Hey everyone, how are you all? Yeah, we got someone the unicycle stuff that we actually there was a picture that was put in the newspaper as soon as we moved to Decatur. We moved from Decatur from Garland and we were riding unicycles actually to Walmart and they put a picture of me. I swear we have a picture of me. Me, all three of my brothers and my dad all ride unicycles together. Slim Pushins: I'd like to see video of that. Yeah. John: That's impressive. Slim Pushins: No, stop. Stop! John: ⁓ gotta post that. Jim Gardner: Find the picture. Slim Pushins: to them. Corby: Yeah, well, I mean, it was like our means of transportation at the time. It was just easier than pulling the old van out. There was nine of us kids, so it was a lot cheaper on my dad. Jim Gardner: you Slim Pushins: Jim, Jim, remember when we were talking about the idea of a podcast and I told you that I think the perfect co-host would be Corby Sherb? And you were like, nah, I don't know about that guy. This is the reason. Jim Gardner: awesome. Corby: That's a bad idea. Now man, our special guest this weekend is ⁓ a dude that's been around in sprint cars for a long time. Not just that, he's been a winner for a very long time. I can even say this, the utmost respect on the racetrack. We've had super, super close racing with each other and never got into each other. Actually, I think we've even done better than the jet thing. I've never had to apologize to John ever, but ⁓ the 5R, John Ricketts. Jim Gardner: You Appreciate you coming on, man. John: I appreciate you all having me on. Blood Begir. Slim Pushins: Thanks, man. Corby: I really don't think that we have ever got into each other. John: Yes. No, I think the closest would have been the... I think we may have bumped bumpers one time at Waco last year, year before last. Yeah, no, yeah, that one, you had that one in the bag and if it wasn't for that late caution, you'd have had that one wrapped up. ⁓ Corby: The biggest heartbreaker of my sprint car racing career. Biggest heartbreaker. I know. I know you told you told what was it was it Charlie or Brandon? What was he going by Brandon time that weekend? You told him to spin out there and pull the caution didn't you? Slim Pushins: That was a John: Yeah, yeah, he gave me that gift. That's for sure. just I mean it was right before that I found I just worked on a line that was I was getting a heck of a run out of turn two. And I was like, I just in my head, I don't have enough time I could see I think it was Taylor Courtney in front of me. And I'm catching up on rattlesnacks. And then there's my caution. Slim Pushins: That was. Corby: No! It was cool. You know, honestly Carson Bolden was super young in that race and and I had been talking to Carson and ⁓ We took off from the restart and threw a slider on me going to turn three and I didn't think much of it because it wasn't like ⁓ It wasn't a bomb or anything. I had a lot of time to turn anything I didn't feel like I lost a lot of time and he did it again the next lap and I'm like, dude You got to chill man. There's gonna be someone like John that's gonna show up and sure enough the next lap here comes the 5r and I'm like, man, we're in trouble now and then ⁓ John: Hmm. Yeah, yeah, I I mean I was I was getting such a run out of two there It was almost like it was taking rubber I mean, I don't think it was but the way my car was driving I could just put so much power down and it was You know, that's where I was making them. I'd say 100 % of my time was right there I could just maintain in three and four but all my ground I was just getting out of run out of two and just set up a slaughter Corby: Yeah. Didn't know that you was running the top until I watched the video once I got home after I had my little little fit in the in staging ⁓ I should have you know just blocked the top rather than continue to like run the same line that I was running It was just kind of like a little short slider line through one two and to me it felt like it was fast I'm sure Jimmy was probably throwing rocks at me through the camera that night, but John: Yeah. Jim Gardner: I gotta be honest, I have no idea what you're talking about. It's all blurred into one big beating going racing with you. Corby: I'm pretty sure that Race On still shows highlights of this, the last time Slider of this race. Slim Pushins: What it was, ⁓ John: Yes. Yeah. Slim Pushins: You and John and Carson Bolden, was some of the best three or five sprint car racing that I probably have ever seen. Very respectful, but just battling for, ⁓ Corbyn, remember when you watched the replay, the announcer was just going, he couldn't even, he didn't have enough breath. He was going nuts. John: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Corby: It was cool. I'm glad that it was someone like John that beat me, you know, there's plenty of other people that I wouldn't have been super happy about. And like I said, I told Carson like in my head, when I read through the second one, I was like, dude, like you gotta chill, man. There's gonna be people who show up now. John: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can't be scrubbing too much speed every lap. And honestly, I didn't even know like when we took the checkered, I thought that was the white. I didn't know that it was a checker because I was, you know, close to you. knew Carson was there and I was just trying to not run over anybody and you know, cause a big mess. So I didn't even know that that was a checkered until I think we were going into turn three when this looked a light on and I was like, you have got to be kidding me. You know, I thought we're coming to the checker and I'm sure enough there's a caution coming out. Corby: Yeah. But man, like, ⁓ John: And I was was custom in the helmet, but you know it worked out. Yeah. Slim Pushins: Yeah, so was Corby. Corby: I was very upset. Taylor Courtney actually walked over to me and said, get out of the car, don't act like that. It was one of those, man, like I knew I had it wrapped up and then the same. The cautions are super important to a lot of people, whether we're single file or the Delaware double file, ⁓ cautions can change the entire course of a race. John: Hahaha. Jim Gardner: Ugh. John: Yeah. ⁓ yeah, I mean, like I said, you had that one wrapped up. Y'all had at least half a straightaway, maybe more just before I got the Taylor and then whatever you and Carson had. So mean, y'all had it wrapped up. wasn't, I might've gotten the Taylor, but I don't think I could've got there without that Carson. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, I've had it happen too. I've lost in that way myself. So it doesn't make it any easier, but yeah, I had a good time. Slim Pushins: You're not. You're not helping the situation. You're not helping the psyche, John. Jim Gardner: Ha ha! Corby: It was a tough one, but I mean, it's cool, it happens. Yeah. Nah. It was cool. Slim Pushins: John, what year was your, when did you start sprint car racing? John: Lord I started sprint cars Oh 506 season at Caltown I'd have to look back at some of the old pictures and videos I think it was 2005 2006 season somewhere back at Caltown Slim Pushins: What got you to sprint car racing? John: Family my dad raised saw it. I mean my grandpa raised For his whole life and my dad raised up until he got a motorcycle accident if you all know he's missing his left leg from the knee down Makes it hard to drive one of those things when you can Yeah Yeah, he doesn't miss And I mean on truthfully it's if it wasn't for my dad. I wouldn't I wouldn't be at the track I mean he he puts everything into this program but yeah, I mean then Corby: Still an absolute trooper though. That guy is always there. John: Of course we started running go-karts when I was seven years old all the way up until I was, I think I was 15 I think when I started making my first class in sprint car. And that was like 2000. Slim Pushins: I can tell you that I've watched a lot of racing on the back stretches of these racetracks next to your dad and he drives every lap with you. Jim Gardner: Nothing... Nothing in between. John: Yeah, I don't doubt it. Yeah, he's definitely, he's the reason I keep going. mean, he puts in, mean, hour upon hour upon hour, in the shop and just spinning our inches, making sure this thing's tuned up and then back and forth the wrestles to get parts when we need some stuff and whatever we need to do, he's going to get it. Slim Pushins: Yeah. Corby: The same thing, think we've always had kind of a connection with the Russell Shoulders stuff. I know that your dad is super close to Russell and ⁓ your dad actually builds your motors and he buys the majority of the parts from Russell, whether it's cams or cranks or whatever it is. ⁓ That's always been super cool. John: Mm. Yeah, Russell's been a Russell's been a key part of my of my sprint car career anyway ⁓ even before the 305 stuff he would do all the machine work for on being on her 360 stuff and ⁓ You know when we made the move to 305s, you know, we obviously bought stuff from him He sealed the motors when he sealed and you know, I don't think I've ever driven anybody else's stuff under the rostrum honestly But yeah, he's you know a major major part And the success I have had. Yeah. Corby: I think that Russell shoulders is a super quiet guy and that that guy is such a massive part of just the local 305 scene, not just locally, but even, you know, I mean, he sells camps to people in Nebraska, um, the people in Pennsylvania. I think that Russell shoulders has a, yeah, you know, Russell has a big impact for a lot of people. And, uh, I think that Russell does a really good job of just staying quiet, just like he always does. Um, I, John: ⁓ Absolutely. Mm-hmm. Jim Gardner: My buddies in Indiana love his cams. John: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, he doesn't make too much noise, I mean, I say, you know, but his results are proven, you know, his stuff, you know, still wins. You know, you have one with it. I have one with it. I mean, it's proven, proven parts. Corby: Yeah. Yep. for sure. Jim Gardner: I think that might be one of the things I'm most disappointed about Devils Bowl closing is I just wanted to see him keep running and just see how long he could go. And he's just not gonna come across town or. Corby: I think that he actually had... John: Hey, my dad has mentioned a few times, he's like, ⁓ I think he might try to run RPM or he might try to run so and so. I'm like, he needs to, he's still got that car, he's probably gonna go. Corby: I know what I think I think as of right now he has he's the oldest person to win an IMCA 305 feature. I think so Jim Gardner: Yeah. John: Yeah. Yeah. think it's been. Slim Pushins: He just won one a couple years ago, like within the last couple years, didn't he? He won a Devils Bowl race. John: I think he won the last year the doubles will ran which was what 23 I think but yeah I think it was between him and he was battling with him and I think he's a kid Lewis senior down there in Houston where the two guys trying to be the oldest winners in Texas I think it is but yeah I think Russell got it yeah I got a ways to go oh I've seen that firsthand Corby: I think so. Jim Gardner: Mm-hmm. Corby: Yes, yes. Yeah. He still, he still is. Don't don't let. Jim Gardner: Something for us to shoot for, boys. Corby: Russell couldn't ride a unicycle to now that y'all are talking about unicycles Russell actually has one Jim Gardner: Yeah. John: I've seen that first hand, I've seen him on that thing. Corby: My dad actually fooled him one day. was down there and he was like, ⁓ man, that's it. What do call that thing? Russell had it hanging in the rafters. He pulled it down and my dad, yeah, and then my dad rode it. Now he was like, no dude, all of us could ride our unicycles. No man, Russell's an OG man. Russell's a gangster and the same, like I know that you and your dad are super close and even, Slim Pushins: Just settin' him up. John: Yeah. Jim Gardner: We, ⁓ John: Yeah. Corby: Some of the stuff that we ran, I'm sure that you don't love to hear this, was stuff that your dad and Russell and then even Lynn Sebastier had talked about and then it just worked out and we would put it in our stuff and be like, ⁓ man, this thing sucks or this thing's great. John: Yeah. I mean, you know, the thing with me, I got nothing to hide. I mean, I'll tell you exactly what's in my car. You know, if you beat me, you beat me. I don't care if we talked setups before. You know, hey, you know what? I got lucky. Jim Gardner: I got my notebook because you whipped our ass last week. So if you just... Slim Pushins: Can you give Jim some secrets about your brake system? Jim Gardner: ⁓ no. Yeah. John: ⁓ Yeah, just so I like to take them off the car and not use them. Jim Gardner: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but anyway, don't don't slip up because I'm I got stuff jotted down here John: Nah, there's nothing special about my stuff. I found honestly I found the best thing that works for me to stick with the basics. If you get too far out in the field, just try to go back and find an old setup sheet or maximum eagle, whatever, and just go off that and start tweaking from there. Jim Gardner: That's all Jeb does too. I Jeb would make me scratch my head because he'd be in there, you know, on triplex.com. Like, I think we should do this. And it's like, okay. John: Yeah, I mean, that's what I mean. ⁓ Slim Pushins: Yeah. John: Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of stuff to that. mean, it's, you know, it gets you around the racetrack. I yeah, you got to find a tune from there based on your driving style, but, you know, it gets you around the racetrack. You know, depending on what shock package you might run, it's, it is. Jim Gardner: Yeah, now we just missed it a couple of weeks ago and then I dorked it up and spun it out and crashed. But KSP, two weeks ago, you were the real deal, man. You were flying. Corby: Shock package is huge. John: I was surprised. I was surprised that I might like we were really good office regular and hot last really good in the race. Surprisingly good in the heat race because you know, mean. Pass out to those guys. They made the track, you know, race even when it was you know narrow. We went forward in the race. You know, I was just so much that I could pass one or two then we might be OK. We might be the back of an egg. And you know, of course helps I read you the front row, but I. I didn't tighten up enough and I kept waiting for that bomb from either Marcus or Kyle. I knew it was coming or even Carson too, but I knew any of those guys were coming. And it came, this is last lap, my car was getting loose. We took off and I was really good really early and was, and his tracks started blackening off and I'm gonna have to be better. And I just kept getting freer and freer and freer. I just luckily it was a 20 lap race, not 25. Corby: I'm surprised that what are three and four states so good, especially like three on entry. I think that Kyle and you were being not, not defensive, but you didn't see it, but like Kyle would enter a little bit higher, getting into three. And it was still like, there was traction going across the slick more than there was like, it seems so slick to the cushion. John: and Yeah, I For me when I ran I ran I think two maybe three laps on top of three and four and the lap actually Marcus had actually passed me and Then the caution came out and when he got past me I railed the top of three and four and he got me down the front surely like three four cars And I was okay noted do not do that again We're just hugging the bottom miles. I felt good on top of one and two and when I was we were under that red on the back straightaway You know me marks the park there on people in this room wanted to and I could see the bottom I think that exit looked really good But I said you got to the car down so hard to get to get to it I think I don't think you're gonna beat the top, cuz I was able to run the top through one and two wide open and three and four I Was losing the middle if I could put in the middle and three and four I could keep a pretty good pace and then really hammer out on the bottom coming Corby: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. John: But I was just losing my middle. Slim Pushins: Do you? Do you talk to yourself during races? John: Oh yeah, uh, yeah, don't. You know, laugh was okay. Don't don't overcook it. You know, don't, you know, and I backed off a little bit, you know, trying to stay behind the nine car because I didn't want to slide him on the last slap because I was running the bottom of three and four and he was running the top. So was like, well, I'll just keep pace with him in one and two. And then I was pulled to the bottom and be no big deal. And then of course Kyle slides there and I knew my only shot was I have to be beside him down the back. Corby: Yeah. John: I was like, if I could just be there, he may try to hug me or chop me. was like, but I'm going to be there. You know, if he had the lane on me, then it would have been race over. But, you know, I just, just, I told myself, just don't miss the bottom. You know, don't, don't let this up. And he'll have to pull some hero stuff around the top to get me. Corby: The same like Kerbo still knocks me about throwing sliders at three one and two at Kennedale man like it always seems like you really got a turn right on entry Going into one and then it just it gets like real pinchy and if it is like an absolute rocket ship if you can just get there With your foot still in the BS John: Yeah. It's it's it's a little bit of a mind, you know, like a mind game because like I think what it is is where we get on the racetrack You know the wall kind of pinches down and then the entrance is up here So you can come up, know And you saw was it Sheldon hit the wall doing trying to do that same move you try to come right there past it and then you can hook the top of one and two and go right on around so it's it's if you're it can mess with you and obviously even the you know, gets the best of the professionals to you just have to Corby: Yes. Jim Gardner: Yeah. Corby: Right. Yep. John: No, I screwed up. Corby: The same man, like Kiddadale has so much character to it. Like you're talking about one and two and then the same, like getting into three, especially in heat races or like if a feature is only three quarters of the way up, getting over the roller on entry of three is just, I mean, absolutely ballpark yourself. John: Yeah. Which is surprising as I really expected it from, I mean, I don't know how it was, you know, from everybody else, but my stuff was really smooth and stable anyway. And I really thought that we'd be fighting and bouncing at least in three and four. Corby: Right. Now they did a great job. I'll give it up to them. Bo was absolutely perfect. Slim Pushins: I was just happy. John: But no, not. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I mean, they let us roll the top. They let us, know, holla at the track a little bit to keep it, you know, let us feel the car out for one. And, you know, it is I think that helped us, you know, maintain two lines, even if it wasn't the widest of racetracks, it still maintains two lines. And then it left the middle with a middle burnout, too. Slim Pushins: ⁓ Jim Gardner: Yeah, yeah, we talked about it a little bit last week. They did just give us a little bit more racetrack to hot lap on for one. And then, ⁓ the heat races were hammered down and heavy, but it, could run two lanes. wasn't super narrow. So it was racy. And then, ⁓ the bees were really good. ⁓ and, and then the main event was great too. So, ⁓ we do, you know, we, we talked about how good the track prep was last week and it, John: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Jim Gardner: It deserves kudos again, because I hope. Corby: for John: I was pleasantly surprised. I was sitting there in the shoot during hot laps and watching all the mud get jumped over the top of the fence. I'm like, dude, we're good. Like it's... Jim Gardner: Yeah, my crew chief sent me out very first car to push out for the season out there. So I was, I was the one doing that. My thank my crew guys. Corby: Yeah, for sure. Slim Pushins: Well, hold on, hold on. The anxiety, the anxiety level was at a ⁓ thousand percent and you had been dressed and strapped into the car for a half hour. So it was, nobody was going out. Nobody wanted to be the first. So Corby and I kind of looked at each other and I got the, I got to go and we sent it. John: Yeah. Jim Gardner: Fair enough. All right. That's right. John: Someone's gotta be the first one out. Slim Pushins: Well, we were. Corby: It's cool man, let's talk about some history of John. Like I said, dude, you've been around for a very long time, super respected. ⁓ What's some big highs that John Ricketts have had? John: in. I mean, I think the biggest thing for me, you know, we won some straight to 360 stuff at Cow Town back when, you know, I don't know if any of y'all really remember Cow Town, but that place was anybody that was anybody raised Cow Town. You know, if you had a name, you were there and just be able to run with those guys and even be able to steal a few wins, you know, early in my career was really cool. Obviously the IMCA National Championship is a big one for me. That was a Corby: for John: A lot of work and a whole lot of sleepless nights and late nights in the garage and just trying to get that thing to keep going. But yeah, and I think me and Jeb actually ended up timing for that that year. I ended up getting them off to the winds. Yeah, 2013. Corby: Right. I knock Jem all the time for that. Jim Gardner: What year was that? 13. John: Yeah, I was like that was back when they awarded the national champion and the rookie of the year. They call me the rookie of the year, even though had 10 years experience prior to that. I guess first year in 305, but they gave you know the Eagle offer chassis for national champion rookie here. So I know getting two cars which that car is one route. We were tired last year when we started running this car. Was what we I finally told Dallas I hate this little girl's tired. We need to we need to we need to put her to bed. Jim Gardner: you flexed out. John: Yeah, she it's. It was straight where it counted. But there wasn't a straight bar, so like it squared up. I'll just say that that's about all it did. ⁓ But yeah. ⁓ yeah, we still won races with it, so it but it's a track was slick. It's it's at the shop. Where we got another we got another shop of the road that were in the process of moving things in the garage here. ⁓ Slim Pushins: She was still racy. Jim Gardner: Awesome. ⁓ Where is it? Okay, so you know. just keeping it just in case you start struggling, you you run third and fifth or something, you're like, ⁓ I we should put that old core back together. John: Nah, that one's gonna go to either a scrap yard or a Sim rig or something. That car's done. Jim Gardner: Okay. Slim Pushins: What's your favorite track? Jim Gardner: Ha ha. John: I have, Eagle has always been at the top of my list. That place, now we only run there, and I haven't been to Eagle in about five or six years now. Had kids and just limited the traveling and the amount of nights we race. But Eagle has always been one of the top of my favorite tracks. That place is high bank, up on the fence. throw bombs all day long and just have a ton of fun there. I really like RPM. that place gets super technical, super slick and technical. It's not just kind of the top. You've got to still slow the car down and hit your marks every single lap. And that kind of track route, I really enjoy it. ASP.ZO is a fun one. ⁓ Same thing, when you get... Corby: Is KSP fun or do we just go to KSP because everyone goes to KSP? John: I mean, KSP is 15 minutes up the from me, so it's hard for me not to go there. when, you know, when I play, it's the same thing, when I play to get super slicked up on the curb, you know, even like the outlaw show on Friday, man, it be that every single week and that, you know, slate from top to bottom, curving up on the fence. I mean, yeah, all day long. But even the track that we had Saturday, I mean, obviously I'm a little bit biased on it because we ran with one, but. Corby: Yeah, right? Yeah. ⁓ I agree. John: That was still a track that I felt like you could make moves and pass on. know, think was it, uh, some of them, I think it went plus 14 that night. Jed went plus, uh, plus nine, I think it was. So obviously there was passing. Um, you know, that 45 car pilot done a back straightaway obviously helped, but still, mean, passing was still there. Um, there is a one or two. Yeah. But I mean, you know, it was, it was a first night for a lot of, know, myself included, you know, there's Corby: Yeah. Yep. Slim Pushins: There were some hurt feelings after that one. Corby: Yeah, I agree. John: A lot of rust, lot of cloud bugs, you people were trying to shake out and, you know. Corby: And that's once again, like the same thing, like the cool thing about KSP is like a lot of times in heat races there, I know that you like, you can make passes, especially, you know, first couple of laps, but I think that it helps some of the people that might not be like a John Ricketts or a Marcus or a Kyle to, to still be fast in a heat race. And then when the future time comes, like it really does. I think that Kennedyl has always done a great job. The same, like you're talking about RPM, RPM will come become super technical. And it's not about being the fastest guy, more of if you can be methodical and think about what you're about to do. John: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You gotta use both pedals. You gotta, you know, know what you're doing and know that I'm not just going to pin it and just, you know, plug the cushion and go. You've got to, you've got to know what you're doing. You gotta have throttle control. You gotta, you know, use your brakes a little bit too. It's, you know, you gotta do a little bit of driving there. And like I said, that, that, technical slick style racetracks are, are especially up on the top are my comfort zones. really just. Corby: Yeah. John: I would rather grind B-Log Walsall from the wall of day long than from the bottom. Slim Pushins: You guys that have raced KSP for so many years and it kind of comes naturally to you, you'd be surprised through the years how many people have walked into Corby's trailer and just asked questions like how? Like how do you drive so comfortably here? John: Thank Corby: I think that KSP to me and me as a driver, don't know if John agrees with this or not, but like Ardmore turn three is way more scary than anything around KSP. At least at KSP I have a fence to stop me. At Ardmore that's a long fall. You know what I mean? John: Yeah, yes, that's a long ways up. If he wasn't Robert Vetter, he took a bad one there at the bad end. And that's one of those tracks that you carry a lot of speed. I've only ran there, think, three times. And you carry a lot of speed there. I don't think people realize how fast Vardmore is. Yeah. Corby: Yeah. Slim Pushins: That was a rough ride. Corby: It's super bowled up, man. When it gets all the way to the top, it's pretty hair-raising. And I would personally rather be at ⁓ KSP even than Waco, what, there was a couple years ago that Michelle actually went upside down, what, did Nogwing there? ⁓ I would rather have a fence, yeah, I would rather have a fence stop me than have that, or even the Jeb crash at Doubles Bowl, where it just goes forever. ⁓ John: Yeah. Slim Pushins: Oop. John: Yeah. Jim Gardner: down and turn one. Yeah. John: Mm-hmm. Yeah, that was rough. ⁓ my god. I wasn't. was watching that on someone's Facebook live and I was like, ⁓ my god, that was, you just know it's how, that was violent. That was violent. Yeah. Corby: Yeah. No, for sure. I would rather have something stop me to contain me right there. At least then I know that the medical people are going to be there super quick. Yeah. John: They don't have to get to the airport to come find you. Slim Pushins: Corby knows from experience how quick the medics get there at Ardmore. Corby: Oh, Ardmore, I got Paul Park. I got Paul Park at Ardmore a couple years back. Yeah. We're cool now. Me and Cody Price got together. He threw a slider, thought could make it, and it wasn't the move. John: ⁓ did she really? ⁓ damn. What? Stag, stag, ⁓ Not scary my guy. Slim Pushins: That place is, I can't tell you how many times we've been sitting in the chute and one of those fender cars comes screaming over, what is that? Turn three into the. Corby: Well, it's the same like our armoire is just like John saying like you carry a lot of speed there and It doesn't take much at the same like you're just saying like you'd rather scrape be locks across a wall Well, if you don't have a wall, it takes nothing to get over John: Yeah, yeah Yeah, once you step the right rear off now, it's like, you know, you're just Holding on basically like, you know, just pin it and hope it comes back on or someplace But yeah, they don't count. I was like, I know I didn't have a wall around it and you know there and I'm a and that was where I got my education I was watching Shawn Jones and Kevin or Amy and you know Travis Ryland and those guys run there and they'd be at the run We'd be sitting on the top of turn with a turn to I think it was up on the hill Corby: Yeah, bye. Slim Pushins: along. Corby: Right. John: And I'd watch them and they'd have their right rear halfway off the track. It was easy. It crowns off. And I'm like, and just sending it. And I mean, lap after lap after lap. like, these guys are nuts. Like there is, how did they do that? You know, I'm over here just like scared, just I went around the bottom. Trying to just like stay out of the way. Yeah. Corby: Yeah. Cow Town was cool man, I raced like two micro races there. Logan got his start ⁓ in car racing there. ⁓ Cow Town was cool, Cow Town was super unique. John: ⁓ yeah, yeah, we straight spell cards there back when I was, know, what 12 years old and Yeah, I've got a million left on that place. That's one of those tracks. I wish what should we bring it back? Corby: for sure. Jim Gardner: I'm bummed I think it closed the year before I moved here. Corby: Yeah. John: I think what 2012 I want to say it was 11 or 12. Yeah. Yeah. I think my last year I ran, think we ran there once and like they had a wing show on a Friday and a non-wing show on Saturday and I drove Shane Glickler's car there. And I think that was the last time I ever got to run Cowtown. I think I want to say I was 2000, I want to say it was like either late 11 or early 12. I think it was 12. Corby: think so, I think it was 12. Jim Gardner: Maybe a couple years. I think I came in 15, but Slim Pushins: John, where'd you get your number from? What's the background with your number? John: Originally my number was 76. I ran that through go-karts all the way up through ASCSAs. I mean I ran that number forever and that was my dad's number when he raced. So it's just kind of no greater run 76. Well, I guess it was 2012, late 2012. I don't think we finished a race more than that entire year. I was ready to just take the car, get rid of it, I'm done. don't want to, I don't ever want look at race cars again. That was about the time we met Shane and ran his car for a couple of nights. And then we ended up running my own program, started the 2013 season, first night out, ran out of motor. And I'm like, we got to change something. The easiest thing to do is pull vinyl off and change the number. was like, I got my first sprint car win in Mike Sanders' car, number 5R. And I had good luck with that. So we did that. We pulled the number off. I re-registered under 5R. And that was when I got my first 305 win. First night out of the five bar, I got a win. So that number has obviously stuck since. Yeah. Corby: That's cool. Slim Pushins: It's as easy as that. Corby: It is tough, know, and like you say, you've won a national championship of the highs and lows of motors and rear ends and like, what am I doing wrong? Like, I know everything is right and it doesn't matter like you show up. I know that, you know, not to like bring up bad times, but there was a couple years ago, it just seemed like it was like every time you guys unloaded, it was just like something just dumb would happen. John: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Dude. Yeah, we, think there was not last year before us. think we went through, I catastrophically blew up two motors and hurt one, hurt a third one pretty bad. Then we were running for Tommy Bryant. You know, we blew up a motor severely at Texas motor speedway. And then we. Put another motor in and I think we roll. I think we, I felt it going. So, you know, I clicked it off and you know, it's just, man, for the last, I say from like 2015 to probably late last year. Corby: Yep. John: Man, we just, couldn't buy luck. It was one of those like, no matter what we did, it was wrong. Motors were hurt, we'd hurt rear ends. I, know, if we had a good run going, I'd get crashed or something, you know, whether it be my fault or just caught up some crap, you know, it is, and that'll like, I understand bad nights happen. It's a part of the game, but I'm like, man, throw me a bone here. uh, lately, so last year we went in. Corby: Yeah. John: And with a mindset of like, we're going to figure this shit out. Like no more of this. If we, if I got to miss a handful of nights to make, to make my car right, then that's what we do. Took it to the dyno, built a new motor. I spent the money on injections. I spent the money on, you know, everything that we needed to just, to not have an excuse essentially. And took it to, took it to the dyno and it made good power and we ran with it. And it just, between finally getting my motor program turned back around. Corby: Yep. John: You know, Russell gave us some stuff, know, a cam that's dry and just different stuff. Um, getting this car, you know, this was the car that we ran the 410 with and figured out some stuff on it to get it. Cause I don't like the car that's buried on the right rear. I feel like I'll, I'll feel like I'll turn it over. And I just don't like that. So we've, know, we, finally figured something out with that car and it just, it all just kind of just clicked. like, okay, I feel like, I feel like we're, where we need to be now. And even if I, even if we ran like fifth or sixth one night, Corby: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. John: I will look at my race pass and my lap times would be with the same as like the Marcus's and Carson's and Jeff's and you know, John Carney's and I'm like, okay, my car speed is there. I've just got to clean up some stuff on my end as far as driving. You know, I was 262, 265 pounds and I'm like, well, I can shave off 50 pounds. You know, so I started working out and being healthier and you know, now I'm down about 55 pounds and cars faster. I don't fall out of the seat anymore. Corby: Yeah. John: You know, so was all that. Corby: You feel it's mental, it's mental all these guys give me crap about. I mean I still work out to this day, but it becomes mental. John: Yeah, I want to be I don't want any excuses. mean, I don't I was when I go on this rack and I leave it all out there when lizard draw I gave it everything I had and I can't and if I get beat I get beat that's fine, but I don't want it I don't want to come out of the car if I'm telling you you know saying golly man I just couldn't have that cheeseburger, you know or whatever like I I want to know like Corby: for Yeah, I started breathing heavy with three laps to go and I could have done something different but... John: Yeah, you know, so I want to know that if I get on the track and this is aggressive I'm gonna have it for 20 laps and we're gonna give it everything we got for 20 laps and when there's a draw we're gonna be there, know, and that's that's that's been my my mindset is I just want to know that No matter what I do If I get beat it's because I got out drove and that's that's perfectly fine You know, my my motors were supposed to be my I feel like my set of my cars weren't supposed to be all I got to do is get in the car and execute, know and Corby: That's awesome. John: and go from there. Slim Pushins: Let's talk about race day meals. Do you have a pre-race meal? Anything specific? John: I really, I mean, stay away from chicken. No chicken on day. I love chicken, but I didn't on race day. I don't know if I like cheeseburgers or something, know, like something that I try, I say that I try not to eat too much because I think I'm just gonna get sick of the track, especially when it's some hot, you know, August in a hundred and five, 110 degrees. A lot of times I'm just make a sandwich or, know, just something, just. Jim Gardner: You John: Being diabetic, I have to have something in me, I try not to go too crazy. I don't have like a specific go-to. I would say like I have to have this one particular meal from Waterburg or something or Wendy's or something. Yeah. Slim Pushins: Are you, let's talk about superstitions. Are you superstitious? John: Mean I'll say yeah, I'm not like I don't think I'm nuts with it. But yeah, I'd like to know chicken rice a I will I will leave my wife at the house and she can stay here if you eat chicken those Same thing with my kids a happening She knows the rules my dad was real bad with green I haven't been because I used to drive drive Jackie backers girl was a green I mean how much more superstition can you get with that stuff? So, ⁓ Slim Pushins: She does the rules. Corby: you Jim Gardner: Ha ha ha ha. John: Green used to be one for me, but now I've gotten away from it. not so, so it's where home green, my dad is though. I'll say chicken is probably my biggest sense. Chicken and maybe peanuts. But. Slim Pushins: You don't have any superstitious rituals. John: I don't know if I call it like a superstition thing, but I do put my gear on a certain way. I have to get in the car and do things in that particular order. And if I don't, I feel like it does kind of mess me up a little bit. So I'll have to take it back off and redo it. I don't think of it as a way of like, oh, if I don't put my left glove on first, I'm gonna go ballpark my car. You know, don't think of it that way, you know, but it... Yeah. Slim Pushins: That's by definition, that's a superstition. Corby does. Corby: ⁓ dude, it's bad. It's bad. I'm really bad about that stuff. Slim Pushins: I've gotten yelled at in the truck to and from races because I would turn the music up or down and it would be an odd number. And that just didn't work for Corby. John: Yeah, it is. Corby: That'll do odd numbers. That'll do odd numbers. John: It's gotta be on the... yeah. ⁓ I could say that's more of an OCD thing for me than it would be like in the superstition. Like it has to be on a number. Slim Pushins: What about, do you have any pet peeves? Like people that you're racing against anything that people do or might do under caution under green. John: I, you know, we're going to race hard. We're going to make contact sometime this morning. I think, you know, it's just nature of the beast, but I think there are people out there that race probably harder than they probably should for no more than what we race for. Like, you know, the 5,000, no wind show or even this 20,000 wind show that without got canceled. I can understand. You know, you're going to have a certain level of aggression there, which is, I don't want to justify it, but I mean, I think it's expected, but if we're racing for 500 bucks. Corby: Yeah. John: I'm not gonna go out there and try to destroy my car, you know, for 500 bucks. I'm gonna try to win, don't get me wrong, but I'm not gonna go out there and just extra with it. ⁓ Slim Pushins: So you're not a guy that takes it upon himself to teach the young punks a lesson or anything like that. John: Not yet. Not yet. I'm not saying I won't, but not yet. And I mean, know, a lot of people like to play mind games, know, break checking or, you know, they'll swerve at you, you know, like try to like, I've seen a lot of guys that start on the front row, try to, they'll end up running each other over because they don't want to give each other any room. Like guys, we got 20 laps to figure it out. that's not going to make or break or race, but you can eventually knock out the front end. Corby: Man, yeah, I'm a firm believer in. Jim Gardner: like the, What was that? Was that at Port Royal this weekend? Were they junk 12 cars? Corby: Yeah, it seemed like it seemed like every single start in the 410 stuff that the dude on the inside just turned right off the start and Man, that's the that's the last way that I ever want to beat anyone ever is just junking you on a start John: ⁓ ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you take a green flag... Jim Gardner: Were you at that Waco show? Were you at that Waco show like four years ago? Where we piled drove 14 cars with three laps to go? Ugh. Corby: Which one? When Merle took out the whole field? No, I wasn't there. I don't think John was there either. John: I don't remember that one. Jim Gardner: There was it took rubber it took rubber late. There's a late caution that did those stupid double file restarts and No, it was a 305 show yet DS and and Merle and somebody else banged wheels in the in the second row and turned the car sideways in the front and everybody crashed it from second to 17th crashed and then murals car Slim Pushins: lies? Corby: Merle and DJ It Took, It Rubber. John: Wasn't it the Bandit Show? Corby: No, it was a TSS show. TSS show. John: That was a pure hot show. Corby: DJ. Yeah. I'm just... John: Thanks. Jim Gardner: Merle's car was sitting in turn two and I was in the infield and I borrowed a set of three quarter inch wrenches from a stock car guy in tech and went over and like ran his left front radius rod out because the front axle was bent so bad and ripped off the front wing. I told him, you're good to go. And it was, I think that thing was broken nine places, that frame. And he ended up finishing like third in it. And he goes, I thought you said the car was good. And I was like, didn't you finish third? Huh? I don't know what to tell you. But. John: Send it. Yeah. There you go. Yeah, I'd say don't mess with it. Jim Gardner: ⁓ man. Corby: It is bad and it gets tough, know, in Texas, middle of summer, ⁓ super hot and it's almost impossible for the racetracks to keep enough moisture in it. ⁓ Rubber racing ⁓ is absolutely amazing when you're out front and it is horrific. Fourth back. John: you Yeah, from about third row back, like no one wants it. Yeah, I don't know. And this is one of the things I'm probably so hard headed on. I can know that the track's gonna take rubber and I'm not gonna sit for it. Like my mindset is I'm gonna try to step tight enough and I'm gonna try to pass as many cars as I can before the track takes rubber and then try to hold on to what I got. And in rush throw, I probably should have just not be stupid and let's set for rubber and try to. Corby: Yeah. Right. John: I don't like rubber. get that. it's part of it. mean, everybody's going to have it. It is what it is. And I can't complain. I didn't buy a single tire last year. The only time I ran on rubber was the very last Rocket. Of course, half the race was in there and it was like 900 mile an hour wins in sunshine. So it was one of those, it was kind of expected and it was the last race of year, so didn't care. But last year, we ran all the KSP shows that we run, all the RPM shows that we ran. Corby: for sure. Mm-hmm. Yeah. John: I say that I ran I think a grand total of like 12 races last year so I had a significant amount of nights but I didn't tear up any tires other than the last race that rocketed. So it can be done, I mean obviously, but the more you race the less likely the odds are you're not gonna Corby: Say like you brought up, you know, shocks, like we'll get deep into this, you know, are you super particular about your shocks? Like, do you have your own shock guy, your own shock sheets? John: I my I run so sure built this my built my shocks, but I'll be honest they haven't been dying on probably four years. mean It's it's on it's all night and it's on my to-do list. It's on my to-do list ⁓ the car that we The car that we so I traded my 410 for a friend of the car and it came with with factory gains Actually double adjustable so I'm excited for those like try those out Jim Gardner: pisses me off so bad. ⁓ Corby: Mm-hmm. John: but I have no idea what they are. You know, have no full tennis suit, you know, they feel like this and let's send it. And that's about the extent of it. I do have, I do have dino sheets for the shots that are on the car that I, you know, I do try to reference. But again, I haven't had this, I haven't had much shots on a dino in probably four years. Corby: I'm a big person like I always I became especially the last two years that me and Jimmy work together I became like massive on shocks like we will make a shock adjustment before we move a quarter inch of a wheel before we kill air pressure like Shocks first leave the car doing what it's supposed to do John: Okay. Corby: I think that I know that you can contest to this you you probably have done this in your career like where you just have it in your head that you have to flip the whole car upside down before the feature you know like you go over there you start throwing in reverse split and all this crazy stuff and like it could have been so much simpler John: Yeah. Yeah You would be surprised I'd be willing to bet if yeah, I don't know I I don't know how often we've ever fitted next to each other But I'd be willing to bet if you ever like when the track goes from super heavy to super slick I don't I don't do much I really honestly I mean I'll take the front shocks off the car and scoot the right right attach and then Trump the wing like that's about the extent of it like I don't go super crazy like I don't run reverse split I actually Corby: Yeah. John: I run quite the opposite and I don't like a car that feels buried over on the right rear. Even if it's hooked up and I'm setting track records, I'm not gonna... In my seat, I'm feeling like I'm gonna turn it over. So I'm gonna be timid on it. Whereas if I'm cars on the wing, I'm leaning the left, that's where I'm comfortable. And I wanna keep the car that way. ⁓ Yeah. Corby: Mm-hmm. And comfort's always better than uncomfortable and fast. Like then you're just scared and your ass cheeks are clenched the whole feature and you're going to be tired anyways. Gripping the steering wheel from the bottom. John: Yeah, like if you know this Yeah, I guess it that's what I don't I don't do it. That's fine I really don't like I mean I change I mean I'll lose some stagger around I'll lose some you know some space higher spacing but like I don't hardly ever change bottom don't remember the last time I changed bars for this for as far as a set of adjustment Shocks, know, that's how I do my rear shocks. I don't touch them. They are Corby: Yeah. John: From what I unloaded from the hot left, so when I load it back in after feature, my rear shocks are gonna be are what they are. I don't touch them. And my front shocks, I'll pull off some rebound of those depending on what I think the track's doing. But I don't do much, I really honestly don't. Corby: Yeah, I think that that was ⁓ what especially me and Jimmy learned like it was something that worked from from TMS to Ardmore Abilene Grayson like all these racetracks if I can unload the car at this way I knew that there was very small adjustments that I had to make throughout the night like you're saying just kill a little bit of stagger maybe do a little air pressure and Just mess with the shocks a little bit the car still felt the same at the end of the night as it did when we pushed out for hot laps John: Yeah. I think if you, the more, obviously the more guesswork you can eliminate, the better off you're gonna be. So if you have a package that you like, I'm gonna take that setup and I'm gonna take it everywhere. And I, you know, regardless of what I think I know, like, well, this tracks known to do this. That's cool. I'll do it after hotlaps. But I'm going to unload with this setup because I know what it should feel like. And I can, and I can make better educated guesses after that, after I run the only track I can say that we. And they kicked our asses for years. be devils bowl. And we had to go, we had to put some work out. Corby: Right. John: to get to get me comfortable there and I guarantee like there's like when I talk like my buddy Austin Lundy like I tell him like here's what I'm doing and he's like how are you driving this car and I don't know I have the same question about you like it's I don't understand it but it's a feel you know there's a certain feel that everybody wants and you just got to figure out what it is and devil's wolf for the longest time I hated that place now I hate that it's gone they turned it all to my favorite places because it was one of those it get really technical kind of tracks Corby: Mm-hmm. Jim Gardner: You Corby: Right. John: It could get strong out and wide open obviously, but when it got slick and technical, it could be a lot of fun. Corby: Same man, Austin and Rami were both wicked fast there and they did some goofy stuff there too. John: Yeah, and I said I'll probably like my car was so jacked up there It's it's to get it to where I was comfortable that you'd probably like how you not spinning this thing under under caution Like it was so weird, but it worked. I liked it and those are Corby: Mm-hmm. Slim Pushins: Remy let the cat out of the bag ⁓ on his episode with us that he's got this super secret car that he's building that he claims nobody's ever seen before. So, I respect it. Corby: He's always got something. John: Yeah, you know Yeah, I mean if you've got the ability to do it go for it mean I got you know, I am just happy to get this so deep to get around the racetrack You know, I don't need to you know, try to reinvent anything like it's If I can go wide open with this car then that's good enough, know, for the guys like Marcus I know they they run some some odd stuff, you know, it's a winging angles and you know I'm sure they got other stuff on there. I those guys are super smart with what they do Corby: Right. John: Same thing with Kevin, I mean, he's not a stupid man by any means. if you have the ability to try that kind of stuff, what do you got to lose? I mean, just go for it. Corby: For sure. Slim Pushins: I think I'm a firm believer that you can psych yourself out. You know, you, you, it's such a mental game. Corby: Right. John: Yeah. Corby: Well, you can also, in the same sentence, can psych yourself in. Like John saying that if anyone else ran what he ran at Devil's Pole, know, it can be, it's still, it's mental. There's only so much you can do to this car. And I think the same, like you're saying, you know, and I'm sorry for everyone that I offend whenever I say this, you know, Kobe, Kobe, stuff with Phil going plus 14 and Jeb, like you will still see good guys rise to the top, especially when the track becomes technical. John: Yeah. Yeah. Slim Pushins: Sure. Corby: The same, we're gonna go back to the Waco story one more time, you how deep did you start that night? John: ⁓ Nice I think Yeah Yeah, I mean it's so it's so easy to sit there and watch somebody like you know Corby: Yeah, and then you you needed the caution, but you put yourself in the position for the caution It's still you know, like I think that like John's saying I'm saying Jimmy's saying like everyone's gonna say like this is what I like this is the basic standard and I will do everything in my power to give myself that opportunity. It just sometimes takes a little bit of luck John: You know, to use Marcus for an example, you know, it's how many years did you go out there and just wear everybody out? Kevin go out there and wear everybody out. And you think, man, that car's got to, you know, it's got to work really well. You know, there's every chance the world that week's crawling that car, you know, push out a victory lane, crawl in and make laps and just sail it off. You know, it's just, just because something works for somebody else, doesn't mean it's gonna work for you. And, and that's why I'm not. So if you're like, I mean, I don't, I don't have anything to hide. Like, I mean, what works for me may not work for y'all. Corby: Absolutely. For sure. Jim Gardner: We, you know. Corby: For sure. John: But it may give you a different way to think about things. ⁓ Corby: Yeah, I've always stood on that. If you want to tape measure and come measure my cars, you can use my tape measure for all I care. I'll tell you exactly what I got. John: Yeah, I said Jim Gardner: He'll have to borrow it from me because he forgot one, but. Slim Pushins: Yeah, I was about say you can use GEM state measure because Corby doesn't possess one. John: I know. Jim Gardner: We, Corby's brother Lucas took some time off and then came out and ran the final race two years ago at Kennedale. And we went and tested, you know, they had an open practice or whatever that Thursday and Corby and I had gone to work and tried a bunch of different stuff and came up with a package that was a lot different than what Lucas had been running back. You know, the year two prior and he went out and hated it, hated it and begged us to change it. We would not, we were like, no, this is what you're going to run. And that. John: Okay. Okay. Jim Gardner: Last race was you know straight up on points So he started shotgun on the field 18th or 19th or whatever and drove to what was it fifth or sixth? Something like plowing through the field and came in dog cussing us how bad their race car is He's like, I don't know how you guys drive it. You should have given it the way I wanted it. I was like, hey, bro I'm looking at these lap times And he Corby: I think he got fit that night. John: Yeah Corby: You're the only guy out here making passes. Slim Pushins: You John: That's like, did good with it. Yeah, no, that was so we ran. We were in a mountain Creek one night and we'd completely left out of car at KSP the weekend before put together a triple X and I run it and I mean, I'm just called cars buried on the right rear. I'm doing everything I can to hold on to it and wait a winning that night. And I come in the same thing. I was going to ask that we got to do something different. Like this thing is just, I can't drive it. What do mean? You just, we just want their one. I'm like, yeah, but I, I, I feel like I'm going to turn it over. And like a little gust of wind is going to send me over the fence. And it's just one of those, if you're not comfortable in the forest, it's so much harder to Jim Gardner: Yeah, Lucas. Yeah, we just we had to drag Lucas like he's a dog on a leash to be like, no, no, no, this is this is what we're do. This works. This works. And he came in and he goes, I don't care. I don't want it. Yeah. He's like, I don't want it. Don't do that again. Okay. Corby: for sure. He's so basic standard, it's funny. John: Yeah. Corby: Same, mean you've raced with Logan long enough. mean Logan is probably the only guy in the absolute slick top to bottom. He's pushing the front, he's so tight. Logan will figure out somehow to make his card tighter than anyone else out there. Jim Gardner: You Slim Pushins: He John: Yeah, but when I went out there this was a little too far Yeah, and you know I think a lot of it is especially you know, we with the newer drivers are less experienced You know, they are probably a little too afraid to go too tight with the car, you know, because you know They're in their head. I'm gonna go in there and just plow it up into the fence or turn it over and I think that's why you see a lot of some of the stuff that happened last, know, at KSP, know that you know, why would I be several guys spin, you know that Corby: Yeah. Jim Gardner: I want to, I want to. Corby: Right. Yep. John: you they cause that crash on the back straight away. It's just, you know, it, you have to find, you know, obviously you don't want nothing to crash, but you gotta, you're never going to get better unless you start throwing some stuff at the car that, you know, may be out of your comfort zone a little bit, but you gotta try it. Corby: Right. Yeah, I agree. think that there is a big fault in, ⁓ you know, it's not a big fault, but I think that there is ⁓ like a disconnect still, you know, like new drivers coming in with some of the older drivers and just like asking some of the, just the stupid questions. If I'm being honest with you, John, like just the stupid questions of even, you know, people asking like, you know, how much brick do you use? Well, more often than not, I mean, unless it's wide open at KSP in a heat race, I'm probably stabbing at the pedal. John: Yeah. Corby: You know, that's just me, that's how I drive. There's other people that are really good. Like I know that Marcus is really good about never touching the brake. And that just falls into, you know, how you have your stuff set up. You Kevin Ramey is a big person on just rolling out of the gas, never being all the way off the pedal. It's just, and I want more people, especially like the new guys in sprint cars, to come up to people who have had experience and just talk to them. John: Yeah. Yeah, mean, I agree with you. So we ran the last year that we were in Nebraska. I ran the B main. And I was in a transfer spot and with like three to go, I'm going to turn one, hit the brakes, car popped, pedal went to the floor, I blew the brake rotor off the car or the caliper off the car. Well, I held on, finished the race, we ended up transferring, but when I looked at my race pass, those last three laps were the three fastest laps that I turned and I had no brakes on the car. So there's something to be said about, you know, don't go in there and just use all kinds of brakes on the car. mean, let, let. Jim Gardner: You Corby: Right? John: Let momentum do its thing. If your car is good and you... Corby: Yeah. Slim Pushins: Did it feel, did it feel fast or were you just, did you feel like you were just hanging on? John: I felt like I was hanging on because I knew I had a problem. So I was just trying to make sure I was, and this is probably why my lines were fast, why my laps were faster. I was trying to be more precise with how I rolled into the corner, how I navigated the surface at that time. And I think it made me change my line a little bit. made me, obviously I'm not dragging brakes, I'm not scrubbing the car down. I think I was arcing my line a little bit more so I was able to keep a better, line. So it did make me faster, but. Corby: Right. John: I think also the back of my mind, kind of the, you if something happens, I'm just gonna plow into somebody, you know, or whatever, something happens. I think, yeah, like there's, you know, I got my brush up, can do it. Slim Pushins: or just spin it out and get T-boned. He's not paying attention. Corby: No, JB's not paying attention. He's done with us. I agree, you know, that in every driver, even sometimes there's moments where you need moments like that to just prove to yourself that we can't always rely on the brakes. Yes, they're super helpful whenever we get a little bit tight in the center of three and four, but we shouldn't always rely on that because it's more of like a, like, I will say this in a sprint car, like brakes are a helper. Brakes are not assault. Slim Pushins: Jim's not paying attention. John: Hahaha Jim Gardner: I was. John: Yeah. Yeah. No, I would say my my most consistent thing I do is I don't go in unless i'm in like an like a oh shit situation I might go in and just like just put some pressure on it just And I feel like for me that helps get the car settled a little bit now if I go in and just jam it then yeah It's kind of cause problems. I feel like if I go in and just put a little bit of pressure on the on the brake pedal It's it helps me maybe and it might just be a mind thing to you I mean it may do absolutely nothing with the car, but I feel like it might help me with uh Corby: Right. John: You know, keep the car loaded, I guess. But yeah, if. Corby: Right. I've always been a big, like they, even in the motorcycle race and stuff, was, it was never have like downtime, never be off the gas and off the brakes all at the same time. Like at least be giving some form of an input. ⁓ and that's a hard thing to tell new guys whenever you say, well, one, you can, you can run a wide open if you want to, that's not a problem. ⁓ two, that the wide open might not be the fastest way around here. So if you just give it a little bit of input, you know, a little bit of breaks just to finesse the car back down the racetrack. John: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean in fact when you know what I ran a SES and I was you know, even down the calisthenics when I was learning I leaned on Claude, you Fodestus and Daniel that's the fact but yes, he still rang a lot back then. I leaned on them for a lot of help. When I ran a SES, Matt Covington and you know, some of those guys, you know, those who were guys I would talk to but hey man, what am I doing wrong? Y'all are making me look stupid and. Slim Pushins: You John: You know, whenever we stop running to ASC us and I went to run 305, you know, that KSP, you know, you take that education and you apply it there and like it, it makes you a better driver. But you don't learn unless you ask. And sometimes maybe people's egos get in their way and they're too proud to ask. Like, you know, Corby: Yep. Slim Pushins: There's a lot of that. Corby: I agree. I agree. I think the only dumb question is a question not asked. John: Yeah, I mean you may not get the answer you're looking for or you may think to yourself, that's stupid, I'm not gonna try that. But you take what they tell you and just like, okay, how can I apply this to what I'm doing? Does it make sense, does it not make sense? And at end of the day, the worst thing you can do is that it doesn't work for you. But at least that's, you're either gonna find another way that something doesn't work or you're gonna find something, hey, that really did work and I can start applying that to different scenarios. Corby: For sure. Yeah, I agree. think that hopefully people watch this show and listen to this part of us talking and like, dude, like we're just normal people. Like, I'm not gonna look at you like you're dumb for walking up to me and ask any question. Like, just ask. I'm probably gonna look at you dumb because you didn't ask and you went out there and did something stupid. John: Yeah. Slim Pushins: Cause he's, cause he's dumb. John: If you go out there and cause a big crash because you You too proud to ask for help then we're probably gonna be like man, dude Like I will literally I will literally show you my setup sheet like let's figure this out You know But yeah Corby: For sure. Just talk to us. Yeah, right. Slim Pushins: Speaking of asking for help, do you look for signs from your dad under caution? Corby: I agree. John: Yeah, um, God bless him though. Um, Saturday night, um, I didn't know at the time I wasn't, do I run the top or run the bottom? And I'm sitting there, you know, my dad's driving up and I'm over here like, trying not to be like, you know, Marcus is parked right, know, and I'm trying to say, Hey, do I run the top or do I run the bottom? Like, let's let everybody know my plans. So I'm like, trying to be like, I'm like, I'm like this, possibly, but you know, I'm like, I'm to be like settlement. I'm probably like this or like this. Like, what do do? Slim Pushins: Hehehe. Corby: So you're the reason that Kyle passed Marcus? John: My dad's just driving, just doing this and not paying a lick of attention to what I'm trying to ask him. And I'll try to find him on the back straightaway to give me signs. And he's nine times out of 10, he's talking to somebody or I'm solid. just keep doing what I'm doing, I guess. Slim Pushins: Who, Corby, who were we talking to, Ryder LaPlante, when he was talking about Darren coming up behind him and just yelling like, hey, here's the secret to winning this thing. And everybody else can overhear him. Jim Gardner: Yeah, it was Ryder. Darren just screams around the top. Corby: ⁓ yeah. John: Heh, Yeah. Corby: No man, I'm a big person. I always wanted just signs like tell me something like even if it's just a thumbs up, like just give me something to make, especially you, you led the whole race and the whole time, like you said, like you know in your head at some point, one of them is gonna try. John: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and I didn't feel as good as I mean, obviously the car was good But I didn't feel like I just knew that it was coming like do I need to do I should I abandon the top of one and two and go to the bottom should I abandon the bottom of three and former the top I have no idea what I do and I'm know that and all I do know is that I'm getting looser and looser What do I do? And I'm just like, you know, and that's the unfortunate thing about leaving because you know, if you're on a second third fourth I mean, you've got nothing to lose other than just let's search how to find lines Corby: Right. Right. Mm-hmm. John: We never really caught lap traffic that night. I I think we caught past maybe two cars, maybe at that. So it was hard. It couldn't really judge if we could do the lap cars and all, if they were running. I was like, well, I was like, every time I'd run, I'd run, was like, never, like, I never knew Marcus was there until he passed me. I never felt pressure. And I never knew Kyle was there until he passed me. So I never felt pressure. So I was like, well, I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing. And it is what it is. Corby: Right. Right. John: I'll figure out the rest when the rest gets here. If I have to change up my lines, then we'll do that. Corby: And two, you know, like I'll go ahead and say this, like that's the coolest thing about a lot of the fast guys around here is like everyone races with such respect. I know that Marcus and Kyle both had a couple of shots to just be dumb about it. And there's plenty of guys around here that would have taken that shot and they have, you know, true respect, not just for you, but just for racing in general, because like you said, like what's it worth to change the difference in a hundred bucks. ⁓ John: Mm-hmm. you Corby: that everyone raced super clean the same. Marcus got by you, Kyle showed you a nose, Marcus and Kyle raced really, really hard for a couple of laps. And I think that I'm happy to watch races like that to see that there is respect still in racing. John: Thank Yeah, it's I mean no one wants to I mean even if we even if we had big fundings and we raised for big purses And who wants to go out there and just this body saying people like that's just not fun Yeah, like let's go I mean let's go out there and race hard and we'll race inches off of each other You know if I got it, you know if if you know when Kyle slid me I had to tow the break and turn the car down perfectly fine. There's nothing wrong with that, but it Slim Pushins: Be that guy. Corby: For sure. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. John: It adds excitement for the fans. He gave me plenty of room to be able to not just see him coming, but to be able to make an adjustment. Marcus did the same thing. I was able to circle him back around the top, I I seen him coming and I had enough time to say, okay, do I circle him or do I turn on try to do a crossover and go from there? And it's really cool that we can be able to race that way. mean, it puts on a better show. It's funner for the guys to be racing. Corby: Yup. Yup. For sure. Yep. Bruh. John: I don't have to worry about getting sent over the fence. The race is better for the fans. We can go back and forth with it. And I can bomb him back in turns three and we can just back and forth that just like me and you did at Waco. And it's just, when there's a draw, it's still fun. I mean, yeah, you want to win the race, but. Corby: Yeah. Yep. It's the same end, like I want to shake your hand if the race is over. I don't ever want to have to walk up to you and apologize over something that I shouldn't have done. And I think that there is a big respect for that around here. John: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And there's people that I feel like when they go to the race, know, when they unload the trailer, you're like, man, you got to watch out for that guy. And I don't want to be known for that kind of driver. I want to be known for a driver that I will leave you. If I don't think I got you cleared on the slaughter, I'm going to leave you that lane. You know, I'll build another run and we'll try to get another lap. You know, I don't want to be in there, oh, well, let's just send it and see what happens. You know, like don't want to be that guy. Corby: For sure. you Right. John: You know, I mean, obviously it was hard as we race. mean, mistakes are going to happen and I'll own every mistake I make. I clean you out, I will apologize, but I don't want to be known as a driver that's careless or, you know, that just doesn't care about my equipment or yours. You know, I mean, this stuff is ridiculously expensive and it's hard enough to keep it going locally, much less anything else. So, the last thing I to do is just tear crap. Corby: Yeah. I agree. For sure. I think it's a good thing around here right now. think that there is a major respect going all the way around the pit area. it's the same, like I said, that a lot of us are friends and a lot of us talk outside the track the same as, like you're saying, even set up stuff. That's huge. I think that Texas has a great thing going with that. Slim Pushins: I got it. John: Mm. Slim Pushins: What's the future look like for you the rest of the season? John: I mean this year's I mean more of same as what we did last year. know obviously we wanted to go to that Oklahoma share that's 20,000 on the way. it was an OCRS. want you know, I was really excited to try to run that deal. I felt like we had a we have a really good car. We have a really good program, really good package. I think we could have gone there and made some noise. But I mean KSP RPM is my two main focuses. You know Kevin taking over RPM, you know. He knows how to move dirt around. He's you know, he's he's a very smart gun. You know when it comes to because that kind of stuff. So I expect great things out of that place. ⁓ We all know KSP. ⁓ It's one of those places. It's it's fun it you know, especially when they let it slip up a little bit and you know make it more technical. ⁓ I would like to run the speed weeks tough, but. It's just so expensive right now and. Once I have to play down by year for sure, RPM and probably texture Fanta. The rest of it will just have to see how the money like plays out. I Know I wanted to go there so bad last year, but ⁓ just what could make happen that place looks like a play I it's you know, get this and I've said it once I've said a thousand times my style like it's technical up around the top You know, you saw it there with the was it I think a or not. Yes. Yes The short track nationals the the elite car over there. I think it was ⁓ you know, I mean just Slim Pushins: Texter can is a cool place. Corby: Yep. Yeah. Jim Gardner: Mm-hmm. John: Tim and the whole crew have done what looks like an amazing job at that place. And it looks like it puts on really good racing. ⁓ I have Eagles scheduled off this year. I know I have it off every year. And for one reason or another, I end up not being able to go. But I do have it off. And I really, really am trying to make that one happen this year. ⁓ I think my kids are old enough. I mean, they'll come up with me. Last year, I had my second daughter. had her. She was born the week before Nationals. Corby: I agree. John: know, birthdays and having a baby right there is just, you know, had heard the week before Nebraska, then my oldest Addie, she's born during the week of Chili Bowl. So I didn't really plan those. Yeah. So I'm really hopeful that, you know, she'll want to have her birthday at Chili Bowl on here. So. Jim Gardner: you Corby: Perfect, perfect planning. Right? Jim Gardner: That's when mine is Wednesday of Chili Bowl week. Yeah. John: ⁓ Yeah, she was born, Christopher Bell won the Freeland night, which I think it was on Wednesday as well, Tuesday right Wednesday. Jim Gardner: Some of the best birthday parties I ever had was out of the Sherb trailer at the Chili Bowl. if, you know, people have to tell me about how much fun I had. Yeah. Waffle house runs on a Wednesday. John: Yeah, good times. ⁓ Slim Pushins: and at the casino afterwards. John: Yeah, yeah, but yeah, good time, man. You gotta enjoy it. But yeah, now I'm gonna push real hard to try to get back up to Nebraska this year. That place, mean, it's, know, we all been there. It's just a ton of fun. Yeah, it's, you know, the racing there is a lot of fun. know, pit parties afterwards. Jim Gardner: Yeah. Corby: It's a whole experience. They do amazing job with the racetrack and track prep. John: I remember the first year that we went up there, it rained every single day. I remember Roger told us, Roger Hayden, the owner there, he told us, hey, she's going be rough tonight. He's like, you know, no better loosen your shit up. And he was not wrong, but man, I'll tell you what, if a car wasn't on the racetrack, he was on that racetrack, rolling it in, tailing it up, trying to just do everything in his power to make sure that, not only did we get the race in, but we had some kind of race track race on. Corby: Right. Yeah. John: And every year, even when it's perfect weather conditions, you couldn't ask for better. He's still on that racetrack, ripping it up, making sure there's a top, make sure there's a bottom. I don't know what he does for the entire rest of the year, but I know during the three out of five nationals that man works his butt off to make sure that we have a phenomenal racetrack. you know. Corby: I agree. ⁓ I agree. Yep. Slim Pushins: That's such a great event. Anybody that's listening that doesn't plan on going up there to drive, that's an event that ⁓ we all have friends that we race with. That's an event that everybody's always looking for an extra hand. If you have the ability to go up there, ⁓ I would suggest that. John: Mm-hmm. ⁓ yeah. Corby: I don't think you can have enough hands ⁓ that week. Let's be honest, practice is absolutely insane. Just to have enough people that can push your car out. John: Yeah, that. And now you got practice. And now practice is the, you have the race of champion heat races on the San Diego press. So it's not just go out there, rip a few laps, call it a night. No, you, if, if, if you want, mean, if you're eligible, you run the race of champions heat race. So you've got it. So from the time you unload to the time you leave, you are doing something of your views, some kind of production that night, whether, know, unless you're just not running the race champion stuff, but it's. Slim Pushins: It's just a waterfall to get on the track. Corby: Yeah. Yep. John: And you had, and that's a trap. You've got to, you know, was at 115 plus cars that I think show up every year in the format that they have. mean, you have got to be on kill the entire night and every single, cause I mean, the difference between, you know, you can start, you can start 10th in the heat race runner all the way up to fourth, you know, third or fourth, and you're still buried. You know, I yeah, you get passing points, but you know, you're for that night, you're still buried. So it's like, you've got to, you've got to attack and you got to, you know, hope you get a good. Corby: I agree. Yeah. for sure. John: You know, good pill draw. Hope you get the track conditions that you like. And there's so many things. Yeah. Yeah. And I, not admittedly, I struggled there. I mean, the first year we ran there, we ran fourth, but ever since then, I, I have, I've had glimpses of speed there and I've made the mains a few times, but I've, I have struggled with performance. There is, you know, engine issues, you know, wadding cars up. Corby: And the same, mean, like you're saying, unloading fast and being comfortable with what you have, ⁓ that is the most important place to go to like that. John: You know, but I said it, I'll my wife, I was like, when we go to Nebraska, it's 12 hours up there from our doorstep to theirs. I'm not driving 12 hours to be timid. You know, we're sending it. If it comes back on the trash, it comes back in the trash can. ⁓ Corby: Right. It's cool man, there's a lot of freaking fast guys who show up for that race. ⁓ Like you're saying man, you have to unload fast then you gotta know what you have. John: Yeah. Yeah, so it's but it's it's a vent, you know, you you run the day open up the pit party afterwards I mean you sit there maintenance your car because you know, it does get kind of hot there still so you maintenance your car out there in the middle Middle of the night, you know midnight once you're talking the morning, know melon bars open, know You're doing whatever you want to do and it's it's it's a whole thing Everybody's it's kind of like I say somewhere I don't know like not sports It's you have to just go to experience it whether you have a car there or not Corby: Right. Right. I agree. Slim Pushins: Jim, you've never been up there, have you? Jim Gardner: Still haven't. Slim Pushins: of everywhere that you've been, all of the cool events, Indy 500s, NHRA starting lines, all the Sprint car stuff, shoot out, chili bowl. Corby: It's cool. It's a cool place. Jim Gardner: Yeah. Well, I always, you know, since I moved down here, I always went to Indianapolis for the 500 week and the little 500 and everything. That was kind of my big racing trip of the year was on Memorial Day weekend. you Labor Day weekend was family stuff, Lake, you know, all that sort of stuff. I just, um, pick them choose, but now that we have speed week down here, I didn't go up to Indy last year. So the option is open, you know, as long as my wife lets me go. John: you ⁓ Jim Gardner: So. Corby: The same, enjoy it like you have a wife, you have two girls. I know that they're super big supporters. The same, don't know if anyone has ever been within a mile radius of your wife when she's watching you race. Everyone knows who she's there for. John: Yeah Yeah, she's not she's not shy and she is the first one to tell me I don't know if y'all watched her Facebook live on Kyle slid me on the last lap there was some words said that luckily I didn't hear so ⁓ Yeah, she's a she she is vocal. ⁓ put it nicely But she obviously means well, so but yeah, no, she's yeah. Yeah, she's a Jim Gardner: You You Corby: Yeah. biggest John Ricketts fan I ever met in my life. Jim Gardner: That's awesome. John: It was funny when we first met, I don't even think she'd ever seen a race in her life, like NASCAR or even like horse racing or anything like that. So I decided to take her down to one of those, we took her down to Cotton Bowl for a nominating show. I was like, I'm gonna break her in the right way. And then I'm like hot dogging and all that. So I'm just trying to show off a little bit and you know, ended up crashing, but you whatever. Yeah, but she's a big supporter. Jim Gardner: You Corby: That's cool though man and it takes it takes that yeah, like I said, you know your dad's always been a massive To you and your racing the same as family and support ⁓ That's the biggest thing is just just having family or people that you meet at the racetrack that become family It's huge John: Yeah, some of my best friends I've ever had are from the race track. I, in my life, would look completely different if I didn't have a race car. mean, would be, my entire circle would be, probably wouldn't even know my wife. It'd be one of those, it'd completely different. But yeah, some of the best people I've ever met in entire life were in the racing world. And I wouldn't trade it for anything. Corby: Yep. Right. Jim Gardner: same way. Corby: Yeah, I mean, you're even super close to Austin. know, Austin's not a forgotten local guy. Austin's wicked fast, always been wicked fast. ⁓ And it takes friends like that to help you. I was insanely lucky and blessed that I had brothers that I could argue with about setup. ⁓ There's a lot of people. John: ⁓ Slim Pushins: They were so much faster than you. Corby: way faster than me. But it takes stuff like that. The same, even Chad Wilson. Chad Wilson has always been a big part of my racing. that's the coolest thing about racing, especially at 305s, especially around here. ⁓ Same, mean, you have a job, same like the rest of us do, and we go to have fun, but of course, ⁓ my intention is to win. John: Hahaha! Jim Gardner: you John: Yeah. Yeah, you know, I, this year I've been, you know, I feel like I'm, I'm more motivated to run well this year than I have been. And I want to, I want to win in a better way. Right. But this year, I feel like I've, I've been more motivated. I've lost a lot of weight. We've made the car better. We've done a lot. I feel like we checked off a lot of boxes on our program that there's that all I got to do is get in car and execute. So there's really not a lot of excuses not, not to perform enough points on the board. ⁓ So I, I wanna do well, but it's... mean, at end of the day, you got your friends, you got your family. ⁓ Corby: Yep. Slim Pushins: We need to, ⁓ we need to kind of start wrapping this up. Just one last question. ⁓ do you, do you, do you believe that we landed on the moon? John: I'm a Sazanel. I mean... I don't know man, I tell you what, it's... Corby: Don't listen to the GM episode. Jim Gardner: Ha John: I don't know. It's hard to believe that we can send a rocket to the moon and yet I can't hardly get good Wi-Fi connection. you know what mean? Those guys are obviously smarter than I am, but like, you know, we get janky pictures of people on like security cameras trying to figure out who killed who, but you know, we're getting like crystal clear 4K freaking moon pictures from trillion miles away. Yeah, like, come on now. Like, I don't know. Jim Gardner: You Slim Pushins: Newt. Corby: For sure. Slim Pushins: from 1969. Corby: you Jim Gardner: Haha. John: I think he would be cool as we actually did. I mean, that would be cool as hell, I mean, I think there's, I don't know. I don't know. It's hard for me to buy into that, think. Yeah, yeah. I want to believe it, but I don't know. Slim Pushins: I agree. Corby: It's just super far fetched for me, man. Slim Pushins: Jim, Jim, you think we landed on the moon? Do you think we landed on the moon? Jim Gardner: I ⁓ emphatically believe yes, we did. think the crew of the Apollo missions are some of the biggest badasses that walked the planet. Corby: You're not gonna tell everyone who you are and where you live and then you... Jim Gardner: Jim Gardner, Dennis in Texas. This is April the 7th, 2026. Slim Pushins: And you say this under your own free will? Jim Gardner: Yeah, I definitely, we definitely landed on the moon and I'm saying it of my own free will. Corby: There's no way. You don't believe that and you know you don't. That's why you're standing with your arms crossed. John: Ha ha ha. Jim Gardner: Yeah, we're on video now because I didn't want people to think I was being held against my will when I said that. Slim Pushins: Corby, do you think? That's the only reason that we're on video because Jim did not want to be a part of any conspiracy theories. Corby, I know you don't believe that we landed on the moon, but we... John: you Corby: Absolutely not. I don't even I don't even believe that the what's it called stuff that's going on right now. Yeah, the Artemis now that's it's Yeah, man, it's it's wild I think that I there's like I said with the gym conversation There's a lot of stuff that has happened that is super questionable but I do know this John Ricketts won last weekend and he's got another cool shot this next weekend and ⁓ See who Kennedy pulls out, you know because ⁓ Jim Gardner: Uhhh... Slim Pushins: Artemis? Jim Gardner: Ugh. John: It's not a day, I mean. Jim Gardner: Yeah. John: Yeah? Yeah. I mean, it's a bit... Corby: It is, not everything with starting position but ⁓ a lot of the stuff. John: I mean, know, obviously there's be lot of fast cars there. There's gonna be a lot of, you know, yeah, I mean, and I promise this, whenever I, I'm gonna unload the way I unload, I'm gonna go as hard as I can. And we'll see if we get another good, slipped up track. I'm gonna mix it. I'm gonna make some noise. Like I, I sense on doing that. So I'm gonna, if I don't win, I want to be at least be a pain in the butt. Corby: Everyone's haunting you now. Right. Yep. I hear you there. Slim Pushins: Well, John, we appreciate you not only being on the show, but you've been one of the biggest cheerleaders of this absolutely stupid idea that we've come up with that Jim forced us into. ⁓ So we appreciate it, man, truly. Jim Gardner: The big P1. John: Nah, that's cool. Jim Gardner: We need some juice, man. The sports too cool to not have anybody talk about it. We need some juice. John: Yeah, I mean, and you know, I feel like we have some of the best racers in this area that no one knows about. mean, you know, people hear people hear Kyle's name. I mean, he's obviously done really well for himself running international stuff, but there's more people just like him that are down here that are just as good, if not better than, know, than he can be. You know, that just we're just in the wrong part of the country. We're not we're not in policy land. We're not we're not in the West Coast. We're not in Knoxville. We're not, you know, Jim Gardner: Yes. Yes. Slim Pushins: Yeah. Corby: I agree. Yeah. John: We're just in the wrong part of the country to really make noise and people really take us seriously. Slim Pushins: That was a lot of the reason that we wanted to do the podcast. We wanted to give the general race fan the ability to see what makes these race car drivers tick that they see week in and week out. Or they'll come to Abilene and they just want to know more. This gives them a reason to cheer for John Ricketts. Whether they like you or something that you said that they're like, all right, that's my guy. John: Yeah, I mean if they're making noise for me, guess I'm my job. You know what? For a boon or cheering. Slim Pushins: You Jim Gardner: Yeah, exactly. Corby: That's the same, know, like the majority races around here, you know, it's not just, you know, one person that can win almost any weekend that there's seven to eight guys that can win. Typically there's closer to 10 to 15 that truly can show up and win. And I agree with you that. John: ⁓ yeah, easily. I feel with What time stage format that we have, you know if you can get there a heat race, know, even if you're not You know one to watch necessarily if you got a good car and the tracks, know, here So, mean anybody can go out there and win one I feel like as long as you've got a decent piece Absolutely now when the track starts slicking up and you've got to start using both pedals and you know how you know that's when the experience I've you know starts really coming in and you know Corby: I agree. I agree. John: Yeah, there's easily, I think, 10 guys on any given night that could go out there and just win, you know. Corby: I agree. Slim Pushins: I agree. Well, good luck ⁓ next weekend or this coming weekend at Kennedale. And I know at least one of us will probably be out there. You can shoot. Well, Jim already said he wouldn't. So. John: Yeah, we'll be there in... you Jim Gardner: Yeah, my stuff's not gonna be ready for a while, so. Corby: We'll see. John: No, no, we'll be there and that's how hopefully the weather cooperates with us a little bit when we get some racing in. yeah, mean, know, cars ready to rock. Just got to get in and execute and hope for the best. Oh, yeah, there's just naturally gas running up. Slim Pushins: Yeah. Corby: It's simple, right? Just do your job. That's it. Jim Gardner: Thank you, John. We appreciate it. Slim Pushins: Good deal. ⁓ I know the people at Stomp and Steer are not going to be happy, but if you want to get your pushing the cushion swag, stompandsteer.com. They've always supported ⁓ Corby for whatever reason. ⁓ Stompandsteer.com for all your swag. Thanks for joining in. John: Yeah. Corby: I don't know. John: Yeah, I'm not done. Corby: Thanks John, I appreciate it John: Yeah, I appreciate y'all having me. Yeah, I had a good time. appreciate y'all having me and hope to do it again sometime. Corby: Yes, sir. Slim Pushins: Yeah, man. We'll see y'all again. Jim Gardner: Sounds good. Thanks, John.